Emma Chamberlain - Part 1 (FBF)

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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Are we ready? When is the last time you did an interview? Oh my God, not ever face-to-face.
I don't think I've ever done an interview face-to-face. Okay, well let's start.
Emma Chamberlain. Hi, Alex Coopy.
Welcome to Call Her Daddy. Coopy, oh my God, we're on nickname terms.
Emma, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you so much.
So my first question for you is you don't do interviews. Yeah.
Why are you here? Okay, well, number one, Alex. Yes.
I'm a big fan. Like I've been a big fan of you forever.
I don't know how. Like I wish I knew my discovery story of you.
The clock clock. Honestly.
You're like, don't drag me like that me like I did let me tell you like I I found you when things were very sexual yeah and I learned a lot wow yeah that makes me so happy yeah so like that's how I found you I think I I was really just like looking for advice on how to be crazy but then like in turn I fell in love with you oh my god So we're just, this is a big love fest. It's such a love story.
We're about to just in turn, I fell in love with you.

Oh my God.

So we're just,

this is a big love fest.

It's such a love story.

We're about to just talk about

how we're in love with each other.

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Quickly to give people context that are listening of our story. I was thinking about this the other day.
So Emma and I have, um, we're like represented by the same agency. And this was like, right when I started the show, like the single father era of taking the show on by myself.
And I was starting to have guests on. And I remember my agent was like, do you want to meet with Emma Chamberlain and I'm like absolutely sure we get on zoom and we zoomed for like an hour and a half and we wouldn't shut the fuck up and we won't talk about what we were talking about because it was like everything our publicist just kept being like this is off the record this is off the record this is off the record Emma don't tell her that I'm like I'm not gonna go say anything but so we just start talking but it was a weird moment because I think my brand was still very sexual yeah so we said we were gonna potentially have like a collaboration you were gonna come on it never ended up happening it just wasn't the right time then the next time we saw each other was New York Fashion Week I think that's what really like I was like I don't even care what we talk about.
Like I need to do this because we just clicked so well. And we just like talked about so much random shit.
And like we just clicked so well. Yeah, we were.
It was kind of funny because we were to give people again context. It was like a 10 person dinner party.
And Emma and I are in the corner while I was eating bread. You weren't because you're about to go to the Met Gala.
I'm like getting a facial done and getting my toes done while I'm at the table and we just were talking by ourselves the entire time which is about like life and the industry and how it's affected us and it was like I think that was when we're like maybe we are eventually now ready to sit down and just converse because both of our brands have evolved. Absolutely.
And it's time.

Well, I think it was one of those things where, you know, I have been on the internet for so long that people know me as a teenager. Yes.
And I'm 20. I'm about to be 21, which is still literally like a child.
Like I still am like prepubescent. Like I know I'm 21, but whatever, or almost 21.
But I've been really trying to grow like in the public eye in a way because I'm, I can't stay a teenager in everybody's mind forever. But I think I needed to do some of that work on my own before I came on here and was like, let's talk about big girl stuff.
You're like, so the Gluck Gluck. And I'm like, so the first time i tried the gluck gluck was a year ago and you guys won't believe what happened impeccable result no it's true i almost got married six times that is helpful to hear you say and we're gonna get into that like the evolution of you and then the evolution also of your brand because those are two different things and i think as creators like in a great way I think people have started to kind of peel back the layer and show people on the internet like what it is like to have an online persona versus like what is actually who you are versus that persona absolutely so here we go just like I usually do in every Caller Daddy episode we're going all the way back okay all the way All the way back.
Where did you grow up? So I grew up in San Bruno, California, which is actually where YouTube headquarters is, which is ironic, a little bit of foreshadowing. I grew up with my parents.
I was an only child. And when I was five, we're like already getting into my drama.
No. When I was five, my parents got divorced and my mom moved like 20 minutes away from my dad and that was actually not a super bad experience because I was so young that I just didn't really know any better I was definitely a really bored kid because I was an only child and like my parents were both like fully working parents and so I had a lot of time by myself and I was very bored a lot of the time, which I think is good.
In retrospect, I think it was good because it made me a lot more curious, I would say, because I didn't have a lot of distractions. You know, it's the Silicon Valley.
It's a big tech area. And a lot of kids there are super smart.
and there's this crazy pressure to go to a really good college,

especially Stanford is like you know the big school there that everybody tries to go to and there's also a lot of wealthy families too and like so a lot of people assume that if you live there you're wealthy but that was not the case for me and my family at all but a lot of people there are very very wealthy. There's like a very big gap, I would say, between it's like very, very, very wealthy.
And then like very like lower middle class and like definitely an in between for sure, but not as much an in between. It felt like there was a very stark difference.
But I, you know, my dad's an artist, so like I felt more on the, you know, lower middle class side of it, which was tough. But.
Did you feel like your family didn't fit in? For sure. We're living in a one bedroom apartment and all my friends at school are living in these massive mansions.
It was tough socially. I would say I didn't want to have people over.
That's for sure. So your parents are in some of your content.

Yeah.

They seem very chill.

How do you describe your parents?

So we'll start with my dad.

My dad is very open-minded and creative, but also very wise.

Dad, this is, you know, this boy is the love of my life.

And he's like, Emma, that dude's the, that's the worst dude I've ever met like he's really really I'm like dad what the fuck he's incredible dad I'm like but he's so hot dad what are you talking about no but he like he's very open-minded and very sweet and very like creative and you know not super controlling or super pushy or anything like that but he also is opinionated because he has a lot of knowledge and wisdom about things so he's not sweet and in creative in the way that makes him a pushover he'll tell me what he thinks but he also gives me the freedom to like make the mistakes and he's always done that so and he never judges me but a very very cool man the coolest person I know I mean he like paints paintings and surfs every day and like that's his job is painting paintings and selling them and like started making YouTube videos before I did like he's very cool right my mom is how do I describe my mom she's like one of the girls you know what I mean she's very it's lovable I tell her everything like everything and I have no hesitation like she knows everything I've ever done in my whole life got it um so I'm very very close with her but we're we're more like say. Like, you know, we used to butt heads a lot when I was growing up.
And, you know, because she's picky. She's very like likes to keep the house clean and like set things folded a certain way.
And she's very particular about things like that. Very meticulous woman about everything that she does, which is a very admirable quality.
But when you're growing up and, you know, you don't know how to fold a blanket a blanket properly like it can cause some problems absolutely but no we at the end of the day

we're very close and even when we do fight like literal sisters like she's always there yeah I I'm really lucky that you know my parents have always been very not like traditional parents like they're very sibling like okay and I think it's because they didn't even consider themselves to be the type to be parents ever and so they had me because they wanted to but they were like we don't fit the parent mold so we're just going to do it in our own way and it's been great great. I know you said like you didn't know any different, but do you now looking back, like how did your parents divorce affect you? Well, you know, I think in one in one way, and this is no one's fault, right? Like I'm grateful for their divorce.
And I'll say that before I like go in and, you know, it was number one, what was best for them happiness number two like I never saw them fight I never saw them argue they divorced before it could ever become traumatizing in that way for me and that's really mature and also they're still friends and they talk all the time I mean I'm really lucky in that way too like they get along great like they talk all the time and and they're so supportive of one another so it's not been a negative thing in that way but I will say that for one not having a relationship to look up to when you're growing up does become a little bit jarring when you're older and you're like okay I'm in my first relationship what is this supposed to look like I don't know I've never seen it did you wish you had had siblings you know no because again like my relationship with my parents was so close because it wasn't there was nothing in the way of it right like each parent was not in the way of my relationship with the other parent and also I didn't have a sibling in the way of my relationship with my parents and listen I think it could have been really fun to have a sibling I don't know I'll never know right but I liked the friendship I was able to develop with my parents in the closeness and I don't think I would have had that if I had a sibling. What do you remember about signing up for your first social media account? I had two older cousins.
Well, I have two older cousins. They're three years older than me.
And they were like my idols, you know, growing up. And they got Snapchat.
And they're like, Emma, babe, it's time to download Snapchat on the iPod touch. And I was like, you got it, girls.
Let's go. And so I downloaded Snapchat and, you know, we would just send each other silly stuff back and forth.
Pretty soon after that, Instagram came out and I was like, all right, here we go. So I downloaded that too.
I think my cousins told me to download that that too and my first post was a picture of a mini bag of Cheez-Its with like some crazy ass filter on top of it and I think my caption was something like crunchy yum like what the thinking back to like the first like couple like the first year of Instagram we would have like borders on our photos and like disgusting filters I know yes you would take a picture of like your shoe and you're like an extension cord yeah and be like life's long and you're like what am i saying it was dumb shit so weird like i would i would do anything to be able to find my old instagram i don't know if i would no i would i'm like traumatized i'm like what the fuck was i posting because I was like a little older and I was like trying to be cool okay with the cute selfies yeah and those were not cute selfies those were scary and spooky what did your did your parents have any rules or guidelines when you like first started on Snapchat and Instagram or did they just kind of let you do whatever you wanted honestly they didn't care okay like really just never brought it up like they didn't care because were you getting in trouble as a kid like were you a good kid or I was a really good kid I had because of my anxiety as a kid I think I had a really strong conscience which is good you know what I mean I never did anything bad without my parents finding out about it 24 hours later got it so they knew that I would tell them like if I did something wrong my conscience would force me to report it back to them got it I don't know what that stems from I don't know why that is but I was very transparent with them and so when it came to things like social media they were like she's not she's not she's just not a bad kid like she's just not gonna do bad shit on there and and I didn't because I just didn't even know how to do bad stuff I'm like I like didn't know what bad stuff was right um I did have a kick that just reminded me I had a kick that I used for like just kids at school messaging kids at school I forgot and then I would get like dick pics and kick and then I got super scared like so was that the first time you saw a penis yeah terrifying oh i was so fucking great i was like i don't actually think i am sexually attracted to anything you're like i do i do not know what i like but i don't like that i don't like that and so like who knows what's next isn't that so sad that like it when you if you get a dick pic and that's the first penis you see like you're like not attracted to it like i was terrified it makes you scared i was scared of penises until probably like i was 16 okay like seriously like i was like i'm not scared of them but i was like that is such a foreign like it was so alien to me yeah because i didn't have siblings so it's not like i had a little brother where like i like saw him growing up and like i saw a boy like exist. I didn't have a lot of guy friends like so to me like a penis.
I was like I I can't I don't know what that is. I get scared me.
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Same. Okay.
Because I was going to ask you, I'm like, who were you idolizing and watching when you were growing up that you were obsessed with? Well, to give a few from the years give it okay my first YouTube obsession was Fred do you remember Fred oh my iconic iconic I completely forgot about that well I like got on YouTube super young too because like you know my dad was into YouTube he was writing singing covers on YouTube when it first came out and so he found out about it and was like Emma this is great and we didn't have cable so he's like here you go little one you know you don't get cable but you do get this babe enjoy it's a pretty good trade no it was great I loved it so I got super into YouTube super young loved Fred then as I grew a little bit older it was Jonas Brothers for me in Hannah Montana. Which one was your favorite? It kind of teetered between Nick and Joe.
Sorry, Kevin. Honestly, Kevin's coming back.
No, Kevin, he's a fucking angel. He deserved more.
He did. He did.
Have you ever met them? I've met Joe. I went to the Hannah Montana concert where it was like half Hannah Montana half the Miley show and I remember the Jonas Brothers opened for them and I remember my dad being like I promise you in like a year everyone's gonna be obsessed with these guys and I was like no and then I was obsessed in a year I was like I love them and then when like Nick had the diabetes thing we were all like devastated and everyone was obsessed and it was like we were like we will do anything to save him anything like it was so dramatic no i know okay so you had jonas brothers you liked miley i loved hannah montana miley all of that um okay i have to bring this up because it's so fucking funny okay um but like when i was like 12 13 and vine came out i was a huge magcon girl okay that's okay no it hurts wait why explain to why does it hurt yeah well you know let's let's explain this for people who don't know what magcon is basically there was a group of really hot well okay it's creepy to say that they're hot now that i'm 20 no it's okay but like at the time i thought they were the hottest guys i'd ever seen they were on vine doing absolutely nothing of substance right right which is fine you know like that's not their fault right um it's exactly like tiktok it's basically it was like a group of like really good looking kids that were on vine that were famous and they would like go on tours and do meet and greets and like meet all their young girl fans and like, you know, do weird shit on stage that made no sense.
Cause they really, if you think about it, didn't necessarily have some sort of talent except for actually Shawn Mendez was in that con and he is like now Shawn Mendez. So like it worked out for some of them.
It was like Cameron Dallas and like Nash Greer greer you know what i mean i remember that yes i was obsessed with them like i and they had youtube channels and i would re-watch their videos like every night before bed and i was like one day like i'll meet a mad con boy and i'll be able to just date one of them they'll fall in love with me and like i was i think that's how a lot of people felt though oh for sure yeah but i will say that it's like my crushes as a young person were all consuming like they were not like cute little mini crushes like i was obsessed fiening for that i was fiening i don't it was weird like in retrospect i don't it's so out of character right like people would not assume that of me but I've always been somebody that like when I have a crush on so I'm not creepy I don't like stalk anybody but it is all consuming for me I get that because then you go spiral down like you watch every YouTube video and you watch every single possible thing that you consume of like interviews and everything everything and then you're invested in their life yeah and they don't even know who you are no well now they probably do um let's talk high school yeah you go to a private school yeah I've seen the videos you're you're wearing a plaid skirt sort of plaid it was it was I don't even fucking want to think about it I describe your high school so I had an interesting experience uh with high school because basically I was a really academically driven student. OK.
And so I was obsessed with the idea of going to a super prestigious college and I was willing to do anything to get there. And so when it came time to choose what high school I was going to go to, the public schools in my area were great and I wanted to go to that I wanted to go to a braggy you know super prestigious like you know impressive school and I was like I can't get that if I go to these public schools so I was like mom and dad I want to go to a private school and I went and I toured this all girls Catholic school that had a really great education and I was like you know this could actually be good I really liked the environment when I toured the school and I was able to get financial aid so that I could financially go there because I would not have been able to afford it otherwise and so there I went I went to all girls catholic school um and I hated it after the first year and I was like I made a big fucking mistake and I haven't seen a boy in a long time and I now those dick pics on kick suddenly I'm trying to fucking hack back into my kick to see those dick pics guys anything um when you so when you started high school that's interesting to know you did have college goals oh yeah where did you want to go i my dream school was columbia which was like not gonna fucking happen but like you know actually i mean yeah i was a good student like i don't a good student.
OK, why? But I like just knew how to do school for whatever reason. And so I got really good grades, like always above a 4.0 every year.
Listen, I don't fucking know how it's possible. OK, it was flex.
I was like really just and I don't think that school is a great measure of intelligence. I'll be the first to say it um because I'm a fucking idiot in a lot of areas so like whatever but I was good at school so I was like I'm gonna use this and you know I wanted to go into the medical field like I wanted to be an anesthesiologist wow but like on what basis one time I had anesthesia when I had a surgery and the anesthesiologist i see i can't even fucking pronounce the word of that okay no it's you sounds good whatever sounds good enough yeah it is i dropped out of high school so it's fine that i don't know how to pronounce it okay like i didn't finish my education so you can't expect too much from me like i got a surgery once and was like oh this job seems chill and then i looked up how much they make a year and i was like oh this job's super chill this is a good this is a good chill like you have to go to school for like 11 years but like eventually you'll get that check why not when did you have your first kiss like if you're not with boys like when did you have your first kiss i had my first kiss freshman year on new year's eve that's kind of cute no oh it was not cute no actually you know in retrospect it was fine like it could have been a lot worse okay but it was pretty bad how did you meet the guy then if you were at an all-girls school basically the all-girls school had a corresponding all-boys school right and so we would kind of party with the boys from the all- boys school and they had friends that they knew from middle school that were at other like co-ed schools and then we knew other girls that went to other co-ed schools so it kind of all like congealed but I think that the thing that made it possible for the boys and girls to be together was the fact that both boy and girl schools were desperate for each other you know what I mean yeah so and and you know there was like a distinct like okay this is the corresponding boy school so it was like we didn't see each other every day but at football games we'd see each other and prom and things like that anyway I actually ended up kissing a guy from like a school that was probably 30 minutes away.
Um, that like came to a new year's party that we were throwing the two schools and it was extremely set up. Those are the worst, you know, it was like, Oh, he's outside waiting now.
Okay. But you also have to like, can we paint a picture? Like I was a super late bloomer.
I mean, I had like no boobs. Like I looked really young.
Like, it was like, was a super late bloomer I mean I had like no boobs like I looked really young like it was like I looked super young yeah I always have I even now look kind of young a lot of people think I look young now so I felt super also I never felt like mature enough for like this type of behavior you know what I mean because mentally I felt mature enough but physically I didn't I felt like I didn't fit the super feminine mold right where you like have like boobs and like you know you wear like a low top and like you whatever I could not participate in that so I felt so uncomfortable when it was time to do anything with boys because I was like I want to and like I mentally feel ready but outwardly I don't feel like I look ready yeah and I feel insecure of my appearance even though I know that in my brain like I'm ready and that I like love boys and in fact I'm like quite obsessed with boys like but I didn't feel like I looked that way what were you most insecure about appearance wise I was super insecure about my boobs okay because which now I'm like I love having small boobs like it's the best thing ever like I don't care But, you know, when I was younger, I love having small boobs. Like, it's the best thing ever.
Like, I don't care.

But, you know, when I was younger, I, like, didn't have any boobs.

Like, it wasn't just like, oh, they're, no, they're flat.

And, you know, guys in middle school used to give me a hard fucking time about that.

So mean. Like, calling me, you know, like, a door.

Yeah, oh, same.

Like, whatever.

Like, shit like that.

And, which is fine like

whatever i'm friends with those kids now like i forgive um but you know it's good to it's good

to be forgiving but i also like didn't get my period until i was 16 and i felt like i wasn't

a woman without it you know i was like

I'm going to go. You know, I was like.
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Yes. And when I was growing up, I was familiar with having a camera in my face because my dad is in the TV industry.
Yes. And so every single Christmas or birthday, there's cameras everywhere in my house.
And so naturally, I knew I was the star. that's cringe no it's not great though I was like dad cue the cam here I'm meant to be right here what do you remember about your early performances on a camera well I was always really obsessed with YouTube because as I mentioned earlier I didn't have cable and so I watched a lot of YouTube and when I was like in fifth grade I tried to make a YouTube video on my iPad I wish we could watch it so bad I need to find that iPad because it has so much good shit on it but my my cousins and I were constant like we were constantly making little videos during family vacations, during, you know, holidays, like whatever, constantly making little videos.
Like there were these iMovie trailer templates that you could use. So you could make like a movie trailer, but iMovie provided the template.
So all you had to do is like film little things and then they would plug it in for you. And so we would do those all the time.
so I was familiar and comfortable in that sense where you know my cousins and I were always obsessed there is a big difference between recording something and then pressing upload on that like you got to have balls to press upload for sure what compelled you to press upload on your first YouTube video well my first YouTube video ever I was in grade and I was like, I don't care. I don't, I didn't even want to like be famous.
Like I never thought I could like get any like recognition from it. I, to this day, I, I've always like looked at fame as an impossible thing.
So I was like, I'm not going to become famous from this, but I was like, even just like a few people commenting will make me feel good post and then of course like nothing happened and then I deleted it like a week later that was my very first one but then the you know when I was 16 and I uploaded I honestly just I was in such a shitty spot that I was like I have nothing to lose like I'm so depressed I'm so unhappy I like I want to do something that makes me feel good and YouTube has always made me feel good so I'm I'm just gonna post on there did anyone from your high school when they saw that make fun of you or like say anything mean behind my back yes but never to my face and I heard about people saying shit behind my back but it's like like what were they saying they were just like does she really think anything's gonna come of that which is you know what no listen fair enough like if i would have seen someone from my high school posting on youtube i number one i would have said the same thing about them i would have been like really like what's gonna come on you guys like it's not easy but on the other hand I was even saying that to myself it wasn't like people were it wasn't like I was posting YouTube videos being like I'm gonna make it big one day you know I was posting videos like this is just a hobby for me and like even if I just get a hundred subscribers like that's fun like I just little community. And also I enjoy making the videos.
I enjoy the process of it. So what happened after I pressed upload, it was more just like, well, at least it lives somewhere.
When did you go viral? So about. About like.
Two or three months after I started. That's crazy.
It was, you know, and it was crazy. But I also think that a big reason for that was I was uploading every fucking day.
Like I was uploading every single day during the summer. And by the end of the summer, I had like something like 50 videos.
And so I had such a collection already that it was easy it didn't take as long because I was grinding I mean every day I was like I need to make a video every day and then I ended up cutting it down and I was like three days a week and then I cut it down two days a week and then I cut it down one day a week but it was like in the beginning I started and I was like I just want to get as good at this as I can as quickly as fucking possible and then when that one video did really

well I was like it was this video where I went to the dollar store and I bought a bunch of like random shit and did like a fake haul like I was kind of like kidding around doing a haul and I was really proud of the video and it like after two weeks it had like half a million views or something or maybe it was like it had a hundred thousand views after like yeah and what when that was happening what were you doing like were you telling your parents what were you my parents my dad was like super interested he was like I think you could really do something with this actually and I was like okay I don't but thanks dad I was like dad like that is like one in. Like, why are we why are we let's not go there because I'm just going to get disappointed.
You know, but he's like, I don't know. I'm like, I think if you really get good at this, like something could come of it when all of a sudden like so many people are watching.
You're like, I actually cannot comprehend this number of people. I can't comprehend the fact that all of a sudden now I'm making money you know I can't comprehend any part of this so I'm just gonna go robot mode and like just like I you know you stop at a certain point you stop processing it it's it's a really weird thing to try to explain too because it's not like you're a singer where you're like filling a stadium for a concert so you're like making these things and pressing upload and then going to bed and like yet it's crazy to see that number but it still doesn't fully register that like whoa like half a million people just watched that video yeah it feels it's like a different metric in your brain yeah like it's like you're looking at it in a different.
You're not looking at it as real people. But you're also not looking at it as just a number.
There's this like weird in between way that your brain processes it. But it's.
It's kind of. I think I knew subconsciously that if I.
Looked into it too deeply and I thought about it too deeply that I'd psych myself out fuck myself over and ruin the whole thing so I was like I'm not gonna think I'm just gonna just tunnel vision keep going and like I did that up until probably the last three months when and it has been really uncomfortable when when you really like wake up and realize like, oh, shit, this is the situation. It's like I finally turned off my tunnel vision and it felt like everything was like that had been building for four years was now right in front of me.
And I had never looked at it. You know what I mean? Yes.
And we're going to get into that because. Yes.
But first. first yes why did you drop out of high school so the summer of sophomore year I started my youtube channel because I was depressed and I was like my dad was like you need a hobby I said okay so I started my channel and by the end of the summer you know I was making money and I was like and I've never made money you know and I was like oh shit okay this is actually pretty serious you know and I was loving it and people at school were like respecting me because I had they weren't being an asshole anymore some people still were but you, people were like excited for me and I was excited.
And junior year, I was like, okay, I, this is the year I take hard classes. So I was taking like three AP classes and long story short, it just was so, I couldn't do schoolwork and YouTube, but I was like, obviously schoolwork is more important.
So I was like, okay, I'll just drop some of my classes and take easier classes. But then YouTube kept building.
And I was like, I already took all the, like, I'm just taking added shit to help me for college. And I started questioning, okay, am I even going to go to college anyway? Now that this YouTube thing is going the way that it is, I'm making an income now.
I can support myself now. All of a sudden, by the end of the summer, I was like, I actually could support myself.
I don't, it changed everything and I was like, I don't think I need to be working this hard because I don't think I'm actually going to college anymore. I might try to ride this out and then when this doesn't work out anymore, then I can go to college even if I'm like 30 like who gives a fuck you know and so I took one of those standardized tests and just left school like I kept basically dropping classes more and more until it got to a point where I was like I just don't need to be here because I'm not I'm number one I'm not learning anything that is necessary it was all

stuff that was only really necessary for college I had already taken all of the classes that I needed to that were like normal high school level I was just doing added shit what's the point of that I was like this is stupid so I was out of there how did you tell your parents and how did they react honestly it was kind of their idea it was kind of like it was not just my idea I wasn't like mom and dad like I want to leave school they were like you're so miserable in school you know well actually at first we were thinking about homeschooling me interesting so actually So actually, that was the first idea. They were like, you, this is not, this structure is not working, right? And so we toyed around with the idea of homeschooling me.
But then after doing more research, we were like, okay, actually, just, let's just cut it. Cut it.
Because, and I, you know, I know that I don't recommend people drop out of school and I think that my situation was very unique um because I was fortunate enough to get all of my like general high school education out of the way in the first two years and that's a really like again like it would have been irresponsible to leave if that had not been completed and I and I always I actually have never said that out loud I don't think but I I know it's kind of fun to be reckless and be like I dropped out of school like fucked it but it was it wasn't this super irrational super irresponsible I could have gone straight to college from that point that I was at. Got it.
You know, so like I didn't need to. It wasn't fucking me over.
I completed my high school credits. I was done.
You know what I'm saying? So how did your friends react when you told them? Like, were you close with a lot of people in high school? Did you have a lot of friends the first uh year and a half of high school yes but towards the end no I only really had one friend and even and she like knew everything about like she knew about how school was like affecting me negatively and how I just was depressed so like I couldn't be social you know I couldn't deal with the ebbs and flows of friendship I just didn't have that in my in me and so she understood that and she was kind of kept up to date on like how things were evolving but she you know she was like she had other friends like she was so she was just like peace you know everybody was just kind of like peace I really just disappeared one day honestly if you could change one thing about that time in your life what would it be nothing I I really you know I have a lot of moments in my life that I look back at and cringe at and I have a lot of moments that I regret like for sure and not regret that's actually completely the wrong word I have a lot of moments that I'm like damn I would do that so differently now but I refuse to ever even think about how I would change things because every bad experience has just made me me do you have you ever been had one of those moments like a little jealous of that like classic college experience you see on tiktok people are at the frat parties do you ever be like okay yes what so you do is it more about like the social aspect that you kind of wish you could partake in i think the thing that i sometimes get a little bit upset about is like how quickly I had to grow up. And it sounds so again, like just so like, Emma, shut the fuck up.
But I don't think I realized when I left school and immediately started working how there's no leeway for me anymore. You know i mean there was no room for being a kid anymore like it was like okay no you have to get your fucking act together because you're you're saying you know that you can make a living on your own and that you're gonna make this shit work and that you're gonna make it last and that you know moving to LA is a good idea and that being friends with other, you know, YouTubers is a good idea.
And, you know, having to do your own laundry and do your own dishes and cook for yourself and taxes. Like there's so many facets of it that you're like, oh shit, you know, I didn't realize that this came with this, you know, by quitting school and by just going straight into being technically self-employed I was also saying that I could handle all those other things my parents were very helpful with the technical stuff but emotionally you know you there's no way to prepare college is basically four years of you to be able to fake act like an adult.

Yes.

You don't really have much responsibility, but you are on your own.

And for you, it was like, oh, wait, no, you actually do have responsibility.

Because if you don't keep uploading, like you don't have a job and you didn't apply to college.

So like, where are we going?

At 16 years old, you become famous on the the internet how did people start treating you differently I would say at first not much changed it was really interesting because yes I had a following on the internet that if you look at it you know like a hundred thousand subscribers that's ton of subscribers, right? But in the grand scheme of the world, people didn't really, they were like, eh, we'll see you at a million. Like, you know, this is, whatever.
My family was very skeptical, like my outer family. They were kind of like, what is going on, you know? And so they didn't treat me any different, but they were definitely just like curious.
A lot of people were really curious, but I didn't really have any friends.

So I didn't have any friends reacting to like what was happening to me.

When you say you didn't have any friends, did you feel lonely?

Yes, but I really wanted once I started to, you know, turn YouTube into my my job I started to feel like I couldn't really relate to kids in my high school as well and so I was like you know I would still hang out with those kids and we would have fun and like that was fine but there was a disconnect and so I started looking to find people that were in this space that could be friends with me and And ended up finding those friends and that was really awesome so like and we didn't live near each other but I made quite a bit of friends on the internet that were doing the same thing and it was nice because there was a mutual understanding and also there was no weirdness there was no questions about it there was just like a unspoken understanding that was very special at the time. There's always the moment when you start getting recognized in public.
Yeah. When do you remember like the first time you got recognized? So I go to Maine every summer with my family on vacation.
And I had like 6,000 subscribers when I went the summer of sophomore year like 6,000 subscribers okay which to me was like oh my god fuck all y'all I'm popping off I'm popping off y'all don't know me anymore I'm different now no but um so I'm I'm on vacation in Maine and this girl comes up to me and like asks me for a photo now I had

6,000 subscribers I thought that this was a real interaction my grandma set that up no

you're like oh my god you guys I just got asked for a picture your grandma I'm already getting a

big fucking head grandma do not play with me like this holy shit no but um it was it was sweet it

was sweet that's actually so cute it was hilarious eventually though you did start to gain attention

Thank you. me like this holy shit no but um it was it was sweet it was sweet that's actually so cute it was hilarious eventually though you did start to gain attention how did you handle initially getting noticed in public and like the attention at first I've actually gone through phases with it like in the very beginning I was stoked and I was like so I was like this is so awesome like it was you know my dream was coming true right it was so fucking cool and it was and then you know I've gone through ebbs and flows where it's made me a little anxious because I if I'm not in a good spot like I'll get anxious about not being in a good spot mentally and I'm like is this showing like I don't want I started getting anxiety about giving these people like the best experience they could possibly have meeting me and then that kind of got into my head but I didn't have that thought in the very beginning so that came into play later it feels like no one hates you and I'm gonna take notes right now because I'm a little bit more polarizing why do you think you're so lovable I don't feel that I am and I think that really I mean I've gone through the ringer really in what way well so there was like there's been chunks of time throughout my experience on the internet where I've been like widely disliked, you know, whether people thought I was annoying or people like, or like, it's interesting.
Like there's just been periods of time when people have just not liked me and the general conversation around me has been negative. The thing that's really interesting about it is that I noticed this just from talking to other people in this space a lot of people they're so hyper focused on themselves as they should be we're human right um so like I perceive you and I'm like you're nobody fucking hates you right but see you because I'm not seeing people giving you shit right whereas like you're not, you're not seeing people give me shit.
Everybody gets shit. And so everybody, their own perception of their own career and, like, general likeness is not right, right? It's skewed in a negative direction for everybody individually.
I look at any other personality on the internet, and unless they're, like genuinely yeah just a bad fucking person and everyone knows it unless that's what's going on generally like nobody's gonna see it except for you yeah like it's almost like you everyone ebbs and flows with hate and love yeah if you're putting content out there yeah and also everyone's memory is so short on shit if people don't give a fuck no they act like they do because it's fun to like get together in a group and be like yeah let's handle this person but then in a week if they're like oh my god like you're doing this and then they love you and it just ebbs and flows but that is a good point to say like to hear from you saying like you do get hate yeah to summarize like what do they hate you for I mean I would say that like when I was a lot younger I edited in like a really like fast pace like a kind of you know flashy way and it was kind of like and I thought it was like funny and annoying and that's why I liked it I was like I think this is just like funny and entertaining and like it's not serious like whatever but some people just found that annoying and were like why the fuck do people want to watch this which I totally get because that's not everybody was gonna like the style editing and my personality I was a loud kid I was a you know outgoing kid and people just thought I was annoying so that was like one thing but then also I think a big part of it was just like when you become successful, people just are going to nitpick just about anything.

Yeah.

And so and I understood that.

I was like, I get it.

Like I'm, you know, I'm a target and I understand that.

And I think some of it might have been from jealousy and some of it just might have been from like people just simply not enjoying me.

And like that's fair, but it doesn't make it not hurt. You know.
I can't blame people. I get the culture of the internet.
But it still sucks. It does suck.
You know. Well it's hard because then you get all these good comments.
And then you see one and you're like it sticks with you. And then it's like wait all these people are actually like telling you how great you are and they love the content then you see one and then you're like my whole day sucks it's always

that way yeah you think you can and you might have a good moment where you're like oh this

doesn't bother me but it always comes back is there anything that made you almost quit

i will say there has been a lot of times where I've almost quit. So, this is Call Her Daddy.
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This person's like profiting off of me in some way. I don't think that they actually care about me.
And these like YouTubers who are maybe more established, I think that they knew that they could kind of push me around a little bit. Not only on camera, but off.
Like you are using me. I can tell.
Fuck you. If I went and addressed every fucking rumor, every fake blah blah blah blah blah about me, you know, I wouldn't, that would be actually my full-time job.
Like, I just feel so out of control of the public perception of me. I remember my ex-boyfriend, one of his friends was like, dude, like, she doesn't actually like you, like, I don't think she actually likes you.
Like, she's, I think she likes girls. And the psychological damage is quite, it is crazy.
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