Aly & AJ: Disney & Dating Disasters

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What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Allie and AJ, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
Thank you. Thanks for having us.
You guys, the last time we saw each other was we were hanging out backstage at my tour, and you were the loveliest people. And I always have these moments because I'm like, I watched you guys growing up, obviously.
I love you guys, your music, all of of it but meeting you guys in person was so fun to be like oh my god you guys are like normal girls and we're all just hanging out so I'm so happy we're finally doing this same same so happy to be here yeah so happy to be here okay if you guys are not like touring if you're not working if you don't have all the chaos of your life what is your most fun thing that you guys usually like to do together we're big like spa people and we kind of have been since we were young like we were like hanging out in a spa at like 10 and 12 and we were just loving it and our parents would be like i don't know they just like love hot dry saunas and getting massages oh i love this for you so like bougie kids so spa spa you go into the spa if you have a day off you're going to the spa yeah that's our number one that's our number one that or like i mean literally it's like a movie like just on aj's couch just like ordering in yeah how like often do you guys hang out all the time yeah all the time like every day well no because now that she's a mom yeah so now that she's a mom it's not every And also, we don't live down the street from each other anymore. We literally used to live, I'm not even kidding you.
Like, me in my car. Four minutes from each other.
Driving to AJ's, four minutes. I could walk to her house in, like, 20.
Wait, how far now? Now I'm, like, an hour and a half. What? Yeah, I know.
What happened? She had a kid. I had a kid, yeah.
She's like, bye, AJ. Well, really, we moved for, like, to be closer to my mom.
My mom lives out in San Yanez. So we were like, okay, if we're closer to her, that will help with, you know, just like childcare or whatever.
Of course. And then having more space, because the house that we live in, that we lived in in the canyon that we ended up renting out is like a super cool pad.
But it's more like, it's for a couple. It's not really for a kid.
So we ended up renting a place that just had more space. Like, so we kind of were just like, we'll see.
But it's only an hour and a half. I visit like every weekend.
She does. But would you ever move? I love Santa Barbara.
Okay, you're happy in Santa Barbara. She would.
I'd move there in a second. Okay, okay, okay.
That makes me feel good. I really would.
I'm not ready yet. I really love where I am.
Yeah. But I think down the road I would.
I absolutely would. And I think it's a beautiful place to raise a son.
Do you guys play the typical like older younger sister roles? Do you feel like or is there anything that you're like I don't act like a younger sister and older sister in this way? I think they were swapped when we were younger. Oh really? Yeah.
That's a good point. I was very much kind of younger sister and she was like older sister.
And. Why? Like, we always joke how when I was young, I was very shy.
Really shy. And I would have her just kind of – you were like my translator, literally.
She would like nudge me. It's like – and I'd be like, she wants a turkey sub with cheese and – No mustard.
No mustard. No, whatever.
Like, literally, I would speak for her. She knew.
She like knew. It was very strange.
I was very shy. You got out of that, though.
I got out of it. And then I think it swapped to being like, okay, now I get something for your sister.
You don't translate for me, but yeah. No, no.
You're like, girl, you never did. Never.
But I think what's interesting is like, obviously you guys then like at a pretty young age got into the spotlight. So like you don't think that a kid would be shy that then gets into like this industry.
When Disney entered the conversation, were your parents at all like all like this is like too much they ever try to talk you guys out of it no at that point we were fully in like a sad card in hand doing commercials well not you me not me because i got my first gig was yeah yeah so like i didn't even have like i i mean i knew the basics of like this is a mark and stuff but I learned like everything on that set. Oh my God.
Wait, your first gig was Phil of the future? Yeah. I forget.
That was like, I got my set card. That's like kind of the biggest flex ever.
Wait, what? Yeah, it's funny. Yeah.
When you guys, like, I obviously was thinking before I like sat down with you, I'm like, when you look back at that era, you think about like, you think about you guys, you think about Demi, you think about Miley, you think about Selena, you think about the the Jonas Brothers like when you were in the era that you were in because it shaped so much of our childhood I feel like did you guys realize it was that iconic in the moment or did it literally just feel like work I think once cowbells hit we knew yeah and I feel like when the music started happening on the channel and that was happening simultaneously

with Phil I think that's when we were like oh this is really like clicking with people and I do

remember going to I I don't know I think were we with Hollywood Records at the time I don't know

I don't think so why did they signed a season two of the show it was season two but I think

season one of Phil the Future had been out so no we weren't signed yet with Hollywood but for

whatever reason we were invited to Hilary Duff's concert at, I think, the forum or something. Oh, my God.
Oh, yeah. And I think you were with me.
Yeah. And I got mobbed at this concert.
And I was like, what the – Yeah, because season one it aired. It was weird.
It was like the first real time I remember being like, oh, people know me from this show. And then it was just, you know, after that, it was still very – we had a very normal life.
But I just remember being like, oh, people know me from this show and then it was just you know after that it was still very we had a very normal life but I just remember being like oh people are stopping me because of this tv show oh my god I've Hillary to have concert like take me back oh my god because I was gonna ask like how your life changed with fill the future because I feel like that was a very very very big moment and I feel like some shows popped some shows didn't that one i like feel like i watched every freaking episode and it was so good thank you um it did pop but like we only did two seasons which people kind of forget what yes that's it that's it i know it's a travesty and then it got canceled wait but how many episodes were in a season 22 i think okay that's also so different like these days it's like sure episodes yeah yeah that's a good point yeah okay but 20 that's still a lot of episodes yeah so it's only two as women we are constantly on the move. We're doing so many things.
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Thank you so much. Because I was thinking about you guys and like now that I'm like a businesswoman and obviously like you guys can share what you want.
But I was thinking about you guys and I'm like you you were so young and you guys looked like you were at the top of the world. But like, when you look back financially, did you feel like as kids you were compensated correctly? I don't know if that's like a fair thing to say.
That's interesting. I don't think we would have known anything to compare it to.
Yeah, I don't think. I think it's crazy when you have a job that young.
Of course. You know what I mean money that you're making of course seems like great but like i made like seven thousand dollars right per episode on yeah that's not that ain't nothing like do you know what i mean yeah that is interesting like because when you look back i don't know what that would equate to today but like true right but i guess for a kid's show you're kind of like that's great that could go into their college fund like and how did you guys handle it with your parents because obviously I remember we were standing in the hallway of my tour and I looked at you guys and I was like how did you guys just stay so normal and you guys are like so lovely I feel like you guys like my girlfriends from back home and the unfortunate side of the industry I feel like we've all seen is like so many of these kids whether it was like the parents were abusing the power and taking money the parents were forcing the kids we saw it all the time the parents didn't help the kids so they were just kind of by themselves on set like they're just like dropped off and left with the teacher right yeah what attributed to you guys staying so grounded throughout this whole process well I can tell you we weren't the boss of our household that's for sure like just because we were because we were working did not put us at the top.
Like, we were the kids. Yeah.
And then second, like, our parents were very, very clear about, like, yeah, you can go to this event. You can promote this project.
But, like, you're not going to go to, like, some late after party with a bunch of adults when you guys are underage. Like, I just feel like when you're younger, you can kind of get away if you're in the industry, but just rolling into every situation.
Yes. And you're like a little mini adult, even though you really shouldn't be.
It's not really the time and place for that time in your life. Like, you just shouldn't be at those kind of things at that age.
You know what I mean? Yeah. I feel like our parents were very, they were pretty strict.
And like, our mom was on set with us. Amazing.
If she needed to be somewhere for you and i was like on set she would be gone to like get you to the audition and then would be like straight back on set you know that i feel like that's like the biggest key that when kids come out now it's like there's this like missing element which was kind of like the parental figures yes and like to give the parental opportunity to people that weren't the actual parents. Totally.
They are just looking at these kids like they're cash cows and really your own parent hopefully would be the one to be like, no, no, no, I need to have some guidelines for my kids. Right.
Is it true that you were going to possibly be Hannah Montana? I mean, yeah. I mean, it's funny.
She had the offer. I had the offer and it was, Phil hadn't ended at that point.
It was like they knew that Phil, I think, was on the way out or told us like, you know, we might not be doing a third season. And Gary, who, you know, was the head of the channel, Gary Marsh at the time.
And Rich. Yeah.
Was like this pilot has come in and we think that you're really perfect for it. And i just remember reading it and being like wait but i'm doing music as ally and this might be really confusing being hannah and and being the character also playing hannah there's like three versions there would be three of you it would be very confusing and i was like you know how does aj relate to this and then they they i mean they literally said well then aj could play the best friend part lily lily i think yeah so they were like why don't you have and i was like but it feels like it's my show it's not really like right hannah and lily show um and i think at that point too i was probably like close to being maybe 17 at that point um which is funny too because like we weren't on the channel for that long.
Like I booked Phil at 13. And then by the time it was over, I was like, you know, whatever, 16 and a half or something.
So I was like almost 17, I think, when that was offered. And I just remember thinking like, I've kind of done what I wanted to do here on the channel.
You know what I mean? We we had done cowbells the music had aired a lot yeah on Disney channel cowbells I guess cowbells we were just starting to like dive into yeah exactly yeah I did you're right I mean I obviously like uh that was meant to be for Miley but that's so interesting how like those pivotal moments obviously like everyone was kind of up for certain roles that like it would have looked so different with you guys in that position versus her obviously um okay is it true aj that you had your first kiss with joe jonas yes that is true in a bowling bring up all the old stuff i know i'm like we gotta go through it we gotta go through in a bowling alley it was so innocent we? It was sweet. That's so cute.
And did you guys like date for a long time? We dated for a while. I don't, um.
I mean, for like a young relationship. Like over a year is pretty good.
Year and a half, something like that. That's pretty solid.
That's a really long time. Yeah.
I feel like I was so curious. Like all of you guys were on such like different shows.
But like this was kind of your high school experience. Yeah.
So like how did you guys all hang out and like meet on different shows like what was the social dynamic like well we met on tour so the Jonas Brothers opened for us and that's when we started like there was like a spark and I was like oh this would be fun like we started dating on that and they were trying to make like something happen with like me and Kevin Kevin and I was like it's not really vibing and then I mean bless but like yeah and then it was like no maybe you can like date the bass player Greg And I was like, no, it's still really vibing. And then, I mean, bless.
But like, and then it was like, no, maybe you can like date the bass player, Greg. And I was like, no, it's still not vibing.
And I mean, like, again, bless him too. But it just wasn't, I was like, no.
You can't like force that. You can't force it.
It was like natural that her and Joe had a connection. It was a natural thing.
But we were all buddies. Of course.
We were. And it was a really fun tour.
But I think beyond that, so like for me, it's like we were homeschooled our whole lives. We didn't experience school dances.
We didn't, but instead we had tour like at a really young age. Like to me, I wouldn't trade any of it.
Cause I'm like our experiences on the road were so cool. And it's actually why I love touring as an adult.
Cause I think it was ingrained in me at a young age that it was a really cool opportunity to have this moment to connect with your fans. It's not jarring to like go on the road go on the road.
And I love it. It's very natural for us.
Like I think some people dive in as an adult and they're like I don't want to be on the road and we're like we love it bring it on. Right you're like this is all we ever know.
Yeah. Yeah it's weird.
So anyway I wouldn't yeah there's nothing I would really trade back. I just wanted to finish that up.
No no that's an amazing answer. Okay did you secretly date your Phil of the Future co-star for six years? No.
What? Who said that? That's funny. Is this like a thing online? Rumors online that you secretly dated Phil of the future co-star for six years.
Literally can attest never even kissed. You guys didn't even.
It was always a friendship. No.
Although I remember like. He's also older than you.
Well, and in that, that age range felt huge. Like I was 13 and I think he was 16.
I think. Oh, and that is huge.
That's a big gap at that age. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I remember during the test, like when I tested for Phil the Future and I saw that he was the other boy that was up for it, I was like, he's really cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then of course you meet them and then you're like, oh, now we're just buddies. And like.
We actually became really good friends with his girlfriend during that show. Like he was dating.
Yeah, that is true. Yeah.
Sweet. Yeah, so no, no, no.
Okay, we're clearing up all the rumors. That is so funny.
Years and years later. Okay, obviously we know Disney was like very strict now that like everyone kind of like knows the deal.
Were you able to experiment at all like normal teenagers, like have your first drink and like go to parties at all or no? Yeah, for sure. You did? Yeah.
I feel like we had a healthy like teenage life. Yeah, Yeah.
Even though we were. But we were, like, not party girls.
Like, for whatever that's worth. I think.
The channel got very lucky having us under the umbrella. Yeah.
I mean, in a weird way. We should have been on for, like, 15 years.
Because they would have been like, they're good. We don't need to be worried about that.
No, it's true. Keep going.
Like, yeah. It's true.
For whatever reason, we just were not, like, rebellious types. Both of us.
And I think maybe part of it was because we had each other. Yeah.
So it was like, we didn't out and prove ourself to like our parents or it was just like I don't know yeah no you're right I don't even know what it is it's like luck I feel like maybe it's just luck but also like Ally and I this sounds kind of ridiculous but when we got a little older but we weren't quite like drinking age yeah people like kind of in LA started like trusting us as the girls that would like go into Ladue but not get hammered. They're like, let them in.
They can have a, like. Like we knew some of the bouncers and they would just like mark our hand and they'd be like, we trust you.
Come on in. They're like, give them some Red Bull.
I'm not kidding. And like, they're fine.
Like they're never going to be a liability. No, like truly.
And we kind of, I mean, and that was during the height of all of those girls. Honestly, don't ruin your moment.
Like if you want to have fun, do it right. But like, we were just fine.
We were like, hi. Hi, we'll just be like no problem in the club yeah it's not being like a kiss ass it was just like who we were who we were which i think is which i think then made people be like oh my gosh you're so darling the mashaka girls like they're just harmless sweet yeah that's pretty funny everyone knows you guys as ally and aj right like everyone it's ally.
It's Allie and AJ. Have you guys ever resented that package deal concept? No, I think we've always- Like the duo aspect of it? No, we've never resented that.
I think the only thing that maybe we've been like, gosh, I wish we had had like a different band name. We just didn't think it was cool.
We didn't think it was cool. Like as kids, we were like, why did we do the Allie and AJ thing? Because now it's just like- It's like, well, it's our names.
Yeah, it's very memorable. But no, the duo thing didn't bug it was cool we didn't think it was cool like as kids we were like why did we do the ally and aj thing because now it's just our names yeah it's very memorable but no the duo thing didn't bug us didn't no no like when you guys were growing up at all obviously taking different projects and if like one was having more success than the other at a time like how did you guys handle that as sisters because i have a sister and i don't care what we're doing like we were competitive competitive you know what I mean? And like we are always supportive of each other, but I do feel like naturally there can be moments where it's like, oh, like you're getting the better parts or you're getting the better roles.
Or like, did you ever have moments where you had to like sit down and be like, let's talk this out? I think the only time where we felt like, okay, we're getting asked to go out for the same roles and we feel really strongly that one of us is really right for this and would you mind standing down like i think there were a couple times we both got the same audition or but usually one of us would come to the other and be like i'm really not right for this you should just go out for this and i'm just and the other one wouldn't like that's happened before where we're like we've just like said okay fine you go for it like by the way it would never be but it would never be down to the two of us like our acting is so different yeah so i think our ages our looks our energy like but we did get asked sometimes to go to the same yeah and i think some of that was just because of like i don't know some some parts kind of would overlap yeah it's like you know 20 to 22 to 25 and we're like but there was never a role I was like, wow, I really wish that had been me. And I kind of bummed it was out.
Like never. Like for me, it was like, I thought it was so cool that she was like an EZA and Hellcats and like, she's done great work and it always felt like it should be Allie.
You know what I mean? And I always want to be her over anyone else. So if I'm not going to book it, that'd be her.
Rather than be a family member. No, that's such like a healthy way to look at it because anyone that has a sister, I'm like, I want my sister to win always.
And I think there's, you're right, there's like a natural also like aside from competitiveness, you're also very protective of your sibling being like, I want her to do the best. But I also think it's very like healthy that you guys are able to have that because I'm not in the same industry as my sister like I can't imagine at some capacity you guys are intertwined and there is a slight competition in light moments that but that's kind of healthy that you guys are like we didn't feel it that much no no and like if anything where it was I mean I guess you could call it competitive it would be like if we like the same guy oh yeah let's talk about that yeah that would happen.
That would happen every once in a while. You guys had the same taste growing up? Similar, right? Yeah, similar.
I would say, yeah. Our tastes were very similar.
Look at you guys adjusting now. You're like, I know, I know.
Adjusting. Wait, stop.
So you guys at one point would like have a crush and how would you handle it? Well, neither of us would get that guy. Yeah, it was just like, yeah, neither of us.
We just both would be like, we both liked him and both of us failed or like i remember this is funny that you asked us we were making a record in new york one that never ended up coming out and um we we have 10 of those yeah no just one but you're like one day maybe they'll come out yeah two um and we were we were feeling very cool that you were like you know living in new york for like a month no parents you know i don't know at this point we were like 21 and 22 and 20 right um and every night we were really obsessed with wanting to go out to all of these restaurants in new york we're like sometimes it didn't even make sense where it's like girl that's way on the other side of town all right you guys are from los angeles and you don't know shit love so we would be like okay we're going to catch or whatever and we went to this one restaurant called revel i don't know why I remember that. How do you remember Angeles and you don't know shit.
Love. So we would be like, okay, we're going to catch or whatever.

And we went to this one restaurant called Revel.

I don't know why I remember that.

How do you remember that?

I don't know if it's even still around.

And there was a cute guy that was our waiter and I left my number for him on the bill.

And I told AJ and she was like, what?

I was pissed.

We left the restaurant.

I was like, he was cute.

And she's like, I know I left my number.

And I was like, what?

What?

Like, you mean I could have and I didn't and you did?

And almost judging me that I had done that, you know, and like put my neck out.

So dumb.

But obviously this guy never texted.

Rude.

So you never called.

So then meanwhile, I'm like, I don't need to be competitive because he didn't come to you either.

I'm upset.

And did you guys ever, ever, ever hook up with the same person at any point in your lives?

Like overlap of like years later, you met up with someone. Like same kiss or? Yeah.
No. No.
No, there's been a couple like. Close calls.
Yeah. Where it was like, I liked that guy kind of.
And then it was like, oh no, like AJ and him are kind of dating. And then it would be like over after six months.
Or there was a moment where I like tested for something and the leading guy I thought was really cool. And then Allie actually ended up dating him later.
Yeah wasn't like a I was also with him no no there's never been an actual crossover no thank god I mean that would be kind of weird we're so enmeshing each other's lives already I know it's like you're literally like one in that concept like when I talk about because my sister's four years older than me and we've never dated the same guy yeah but even you talk about it incessantly with each other like when you start dating yeah obviously so it's like i couldn't go to her if i knew that she liked the guy that i was right she knows all the inside detail it out she's like i know i experienced all of it with a friend because with a family member i would be like katherine you need to get over it because i need to tell you everything she'd be like okay he was cute but now i'm over okay go tell me yeah right yeah right right she did one time help like literally held my hand while I broke up with a guy over the phone. I'm not kidding you.
I did. She was like, do you remember that? It was in Calabasas.
You were like, you can do it. I did.
And I'm like on the phone with him being like, I really don't, this isn't right. Like I, and I'm like, is this right? And I'm like, you got it.
No, that is like literal. That's also so, I mean, that just brought me back to that bedroom.
Is that funny? Calabasas. Calabasas, yeah.
Yes, we were Calabasas kids. Before it was cool.
Way before it was cool. Love that for you guys.
When it was a Johnny Rockets, you know what I mean? Like we're that far back. I love that for you.
Breaking up with someone is the worst feeling. The worst.
It's sickening. It's so hard.
It's actually sickening. But that's why like people, whenever I'm like, there's nothing better than having a sister.
And it's I feel for my friends that are like, I never had a sister.

I don't know what it's like.

It's like it's a friendship on steroids.

Yes.

You are literally going to kill for her.

It's different than a brother.

Completely.

It's actually almost a diss to call it a friendship.

It's like, no, this is living on another.

That's a great point.

It's like an extension of yourself.

Yes.

Yes.

It's so fun hearing you guys talk about your dynamic together. And obviously so much of what you're writing also goes into like love and your life and your family and yeah but potential breakup song i just have to ask the one question because i think it's like i saw tiktok we're gonna we have to make this tiktok and it's someone being like you guys remember when those two sisters walked into the studio and they really said this to this day still such an anthem what inspired that song no

not a real person not a real person like it's actually the most like it's the most anti-climactic we i mean there's no real person i need to pause you guys because the way you both just pause i thought i was about to get like yeah no sorry it't exist. Okay, tell me though.
I think we just were like, what if there was a guy that was such a like, I mean, at this point we were 18 and maybe younger. 17 and 15 writing this song.
Which we had, but like very little. At this point we had probably each had, you would have probably two boyfriends.
I'd barely had one boyfriend because I was way behind her. Okay.
So like. I'm like, she was behind.
She was behind. She was still behind me.
So still a lot of the songs were like living in a dream world of what we thought a relationship was like because we were still really young. Yeah.
So to us, it was like, what if this guy was like so terrible that he didn't call you on your birthday and that you begged him to get your stuff back and he like wouldn't give it back and then you just had to deliver it in a box at your house literally that's like it's that it's literally like you two sitting on your bed together being like yes genius let's go oh what's funny though is that no guy drive i do remember i do remember we were young we were young enough that we couldn't drive driving since there is no story behind it tell me both of your like most brutal breakups.

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How did you get through it what was your most like brutal breakup and how you got through it obviously like we're not naming names but just like the concept like have either of you ever been cheated on i mean you age you go first yeah i was cheated on and i found out the guy was like hooking up with our really good friend at the time no how did you find it like blew up the friendship and the relationship yeah i don't even know how it came out but it happened in the calabasas commons parking lot stop yeah and it was like it was and we were young so it was like obviously it hits hard no matter what age you are when you feel like wow i've been completely but this was like a friendship this was like a friendship a girl friendship that was was basically the breakup it wasn't like the guy if that makes sense it was like we had found out some stuff about her that made us feel like we didn't really know who she was and we had been friends with her for like a long time and that was truly the the worst breakup and it was a girlfriend break yeah that's those now and then we meant it like we're okay now yeah like if we see her at a event or whatever we like we'll dm and stuff but we don't like hang actively which is kind of sad because it was a big part of our childhood. That is so gross.
That guy was like, didn't even matter. Right.
It's just the concept of what happened with the friendship. That's always the worst when understandably people are like, don't blame the girl, blame the guy.
And it's like, no, no, no, for sure. But if you were almost closer with the girl than the guy that you were dating, that's where it's like, how do you recover from those and then it gives you like full trust issues because you're like how did i not know that and you could like hold my hand while i'm crying over this and little do i know i'm crying because of you oh yeah that's sick okay ali go um okay i'm trying to think gosh worst um you haven't been cheated on have you i haven't been cheated on that's nice which is actually good that is for you that's good I know that's beautiful that's good that's good I don't know I don't know what that's all clap for that um no trauma um yeah no trauma um I I'm trying to think of hmm I mean I've had guys I've I've had more guys probably break up with me than me break up with them okay so I've been broken up with probably quite a bit have you been blindsided by the breakups I mean I feel like I was blindsided many times yeah like not many but but a lot of them it was like you know I was being broken up with because this person was like a professional athlete and was like I need to work on my job and like your distraction I'm like I need to work on my tour bus right now You're a distraction i need to work on my job yeah i know wait ridiculous you know where you're sitting a direct quote no no that is the best direct quote i've ever heard a professional athlete telling you i have to work on my job we you know that i talk a lot about that yes yes we how long did you date it wasn't that long but it was very like um that was like a solid year maybe maybe a little I don't even know what sport hockey football football I remember being really heartbroken by that now I'm looking back on it being like but to any of the girls that are like I feel like around new year a lot of people end relationships because I feel like everyone's like, oh, my gosh, like I want to start fresh.
I want to kick this person to the curb or I want to like try something different. Like, do you have any advice when you look back at those relationships when people ended things with you as hard as it was in the moment? Now, when you look back, like give us some advice of how to get through those horrible blindsiding moments.
Honestly, like having a couple of really solid guy friends was really helpful. Like I would talk to them about this and they'd be like, this guy's a total loser.
Like absolutely not. And, and you know, of course you could say that they want to get with you, but these were like truly platonic.
Even if they do. Okay.
But they were platonic relationships's nice to hear. That guy sucks.
But they were platonic relationships that were really like I would be on the phone like talking to Dan. Yeah.
I knew you were going to say him. And be like, can you believe this? And he'd be like, this is an absolute sign that this guy is not right for you.
And like he was only in it because he just wanted to like sleep with you and be done and over the next. And you're like, thank you, Dan.
Thank you. Now let's hook up.
No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, totally.
Okay. Daddy Gang needs some and over and you're like thank you dan thank you now let's hook up no i'm just kidding yeah totally um okay daddy gang needs some advice and i feel like all i'm getting from this entire episode is you guys are very wise and you've always been wise and you've always been like little yodas no literally like you guys no but actually you guys have been like people would let you into the club because they're like ally and aj are gonna keep it real you guys didn't lose fame.
You didn't lose. You guys have like seemingly very normal lives and you're still so successful and you're still in the spotlight.
So we need your advice. OK.
OK. You want to end a friendship where you've been drifting apart.
Do you have a breakup conversation with your friend or do you let it die out? I've done both. I've had more.
If I'm being honest, I've had a couple die outs, not conversations, where it's just kind of like you kind of stop texting and then it's like. They also do.
Yeah. And then it's like, you kind of are like, we both know this isn't right.
Yeah. Which is kind of a form of ghosting.
It's not great. It is.
It is. I think you should have the conversation.
When you have the conversation. It's bigger to do that.
Do you think those were more extreme moments? Like did something. Yes.
It can make it too big of a deal. But it was usually because it was based on something that happened that I was like, I can't really not see this now and it's here and let's talk about it.
And this is why I can't go forward as a friend. But I think that's good advice.
It's like, you kind of have to gauge where you're at. If it's just like, you never really see each other anymore, but you have this like weight over you and they're not being that great to you.
You can maybe let it simmer. Yeah.
To me, some things don't need like a spot. True.
Sometimes it's not like this big, huge fight. Sometimes it's like I'm seeing some things about your lifestyle that doesn't gel with mine or.
Yes. Or that, you know, I don't know.
You weren't there for me in these moments that I needed you. And it's kind of like showing your true colors.
And that's OK. We just part our own ways.
Yeah. That's like sometimes that's part of just growing up and being a girl.
I think that's what's like been so eye-opening as I've gotten older. Like growing apart from friendships is so sad.
It is sad. And it's like horrible to look back at like some of my like high school friends that I'm not as close with anymore or whatever or just also like recognizing like we really grew up and we are different or like we live our lives differently and that doesn't mean they're a bad person you're just like it doesn't mesh anymore but it is sad when a part of your childhood in that way kind of dies like wait I just said bye to a friend in a way that I know I'm not really going to connect with again and I think it's like sometimes yes sometimes those are harder than actual breakups with men sometimes where you're like shit that hurt but I think that's a good like bit of advice is like you can do both but I think don't actively seek out a conversation if the person's gonna be like wait what are you talking about if something happens absolutely address it yes but you can also like let something simmer if that's like the natural course of where it was gonna go anyways yeah and it says a lot if both sides aren't really reaching out.
Then it's like the natural course was for it to fizzle. Period.
That says everything in a way. Okay.
You find out you were accidentally the other woman. Do you reach out to her or do you stay out of it? I'm the type that would reach out.
Yeah. We're both breathing so heavy.
We're all like, I'm like, yeah, I think I i would i think i would i'd say i'm the other woman i'm the other woman i'm so sorry i didn't know um well what's funny is that we've seen one of our girlfriends our close girlfriends do that and i it was like i was kind of being like don't do this this is this is cringe like why is this such a I don't know if she did it right. She didn't do it right.
I think there's a way you can – I mean, I've said that to her face. Yeah.
Yeah, same. You didn't nail this.
Too long. She literally wrote like a paragraph.
Paragraph. Yeah, no, no, no.
And also then that girl is like, yeah, right, sure, honey, you know? Right. And then making her look like she's crazy when she actually is telling the truth.
Then it makes her feel like, are you making this up that you're really the other woman? Like, yeah, you look this is really interesting yeah i think a paragraph to ever start something off bad you gotta go in shorter and just begin the convo rather than hit it hard where someone's like oh my god i need to like read this tonight when i have time like and sit down and actually think about this yeah but okay so you guys would both say something i would be like i, I'm sick. I'm ill.
I'm sick. Like, this happened.
I need you to know. And I'm so sorry.
Bye. I kind of agree with that.
Like, I feel like if you were not, again, clarifying, you didn't even know you were the other woman. Right.
If you were aware, like, then that's a complete different situation that's, like, on you. Yeah, different, yeah.
Karma's on you. Yes.
But if you weren't aware, I kind of agree. Because then, even if she stays on her, you know what I mean? Totally.
At least you had your moment to say like this moment happened and I said my piece and I can live with that. Love this.
Yeah. If you knew one of your close friends was cheating on her husband, who you're also friends with, how do you handle that? That's really hard.
That's really hard. That's never happened.
Thank God. Has that ever happened to you? Maybe not husband or boyfriend.
I've known, not husband, but yeah, I've known that there's really hard that's really hard that's never happened thank god has that ever happened to you maybe not husband or i have known not husband but yeah i've known that there's like shadiness going on and you're close to both of them yeah and i kind of stayed out of it because i just didn't know it dissolve on its own with you staying out of it you know what's interesting i'm not really that close with them anymore so i don't know what happened but i also think maybe that partially is because it was like bleeding into every part of their like when you're lying that heavily in your life it bleeds into every other everything you're in your life like she was more distant because she was being so cagey but and then i was kind of like i don't know oh wow yeah i think it depends on maybe who like who's the og friend is it is it her or is it the guy like i don't know like i'm at the same I mean if you met at the same time it's it's hard it's so hard I'd like to think I'd have the courage to say something or to be like I don't know like is everything okay like well I want to think if I'm the same woman who's gonna tell the person I was the other woman and didn't know until just now I'd be that same person to say this that's a good point like I'd like to think those two ladies are the same person I agree like bold I. I think what's hard sometimes in friendship dynamics is like there's a lot of dynamics.
I feel like you start to feel as you get older and there's cheating involved. I have found sometimes I'm not privy to all the information of these people's relationships.
And a lot of times I'm like, oh, you kind of knew that. Sure.
I didn't get the whole side. Yeah.
So I'm like, if I'm super close, if it was my best friend and I'm fine, I'm hearing something, I'm like oh you kind of knew that sure like I didn't get the whole side yeah so I'm like if I'm super close if it was my best friend and I'm fine I'm hearing something I'm telling her obviously and be like I love you so much and I support you I just need to tell you I know this and then I'm here whatever you want to do yeah yeah because I think it's half the time the judgment that people feel when someone brings that information they get so anxious like I have to leave him now I have to leave her now and it's like i don't know sometimes i feel like i come off as judgy when you tell them so i also think your delivery has to be like i love you and i know this is so hard but i saw so and so at this restaurant and i'm leaving this information yes but i'm here for you if you want to talk and like whatever you do i love you i think now in my 30s that is how i would approach it but it would take me a hot minute to come to that bravery of like, okay, we're doing this. You'd call your sister first.
Yes. You'd be like, what do I do? Totally.
We'd rehearse it. I'd hold her hand while she says the conversation.
Or we would go in person and I'd hold her hand in person. Thank you, Raleigh.
Okay. You accidentally sent a screenshot of the conversation to the person you were gossiping about.
How do you play it off? Ooh. Have you always never done that? Have you done that? No.
Oh my God, I know oh my god i have done that have you done it multiple times or just once in college i was talking shit about the guy that i was seeing and i was like texting my friend and i was sunbathing i was at boston university i remember exactly where i was laying i was in my little bikini and it was so bright out and i was holding my phone up texting and i was talking to this hockey player. Couldn't see.
He was so dumb and I was just like so over it. And you texted it to him.
I screenshotted it, send it to him being like, hockey player wants me to go on his boat later. Like, I'm going to have to have like a couple drinks together.
And it went to him. And then what was his response? Was he like, well see, now you can unset.
I know. So we're in a good era for So now we're fine.
So now we're good. And guys, I literally responded.
I'm pretty sure like first I called my mom screaming. Like I, you guys, I am under the sun.
I realized I do it. I'm pretty sure he responded like LOL at first, which is like, actually, yeah, that's kind of like, oh, that's funny.
This is a funny joke, right? Yeah. It shows how you're like, yeah, I'm like, I am hilarious.
Yeah. No.
And then I was like, oh, that's funny. Or shit.
How dumb. This is a funny joke, right? Yeah.
It shows how. You're like.
Yeah. It shows how it's not smart.
You're like, I am hilarious. Yeah.
No. And then I was like, LOL.
I'm just kidding. Like, I just can't decide if I want to come.
Like, what are you thinking? Good job. You guys.
Did he roll with it? He completely rolled with it. Wow.
So I'm later that night. Ooh, but that says even more.
You did start the conversation saying he wasn't smart. So like.
Completely. Also, why did I go? I don't know.
I was bored. You an ego thing where i was like i have to see this man to like make sure that he actually forgave me like this is insane that he doesn't recognize that i was completely shit talking him i would be more likely for sure to do something like that 100 it would be way you would oh way over me like i'm actually surprised it hasn't happened but it has or twice wait because you're just like you're gonna do some like clumsy shit where you're like how did i get in this situation where age is like hello you're on the wrong group chat it's like oh shit there will be times we're all like sidebar chat to her and i'll be like just so you know you're talking in a way that if this leads to more this you're in the wrong you're in the wrong you're on the wrong track here and she'll be like oh thank you totally thank you yeah you.
Totally. Thank you.
So, yeah. That is kind of like younger sister energy, though.
The correction officer. I call my sister and I'm like, are you okay? And she's like, what? And I'm like, why are you sending that to the family group chat? We were just texting.
Oh, that's funny. And she's like, oh, my gosh.
I don't know. Like, yeah, I'm kind of.
That's funny. I'm always good at her.
Yeah, that does track as younger sister energy. It is.
It is. It's like, we know everything.
Like, stay in line. Exactly.
Okay. Do you guys ever go on double dates? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, with our people now.
With our guys now. With our guys now.
I don't think in the past. Have we ever really done that in the past? I'm trying to think.
Before Steven and Josh? No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
That's become more of an adult. Yeah.
It's been like three-wheeling where it's like two people on a date and then I'm like, hey, I'm here hanging with you having lunch, you know, or vice versa. That's true.
Yeah. Let's talk about Steven and Josh.
Steven and Josh. So serious.
Allie, you met your husband when you were in your early 20s. Yeah.
What made him stand out to you? I don't know. I just got a vibe like this guy is just different.
Like he's really deep. He's very mature.
He's just like tapped into something something where'd you guys meet uh we met on a set he was the dp and i was the like lead actor in this like really tiny little indie um and i don't know like i just picked up this energy from him that um like just instantly i was kind of like this guy is like i'm like safe with this guy like I can really be myself around him and he's like artistic and he really cares about this project and how he's talking about it and how he is on set he's has very much like a leadership kind of energy even though he was very young and it was the first movie that he was you know a DP on so I don't know. I was just just like it was a meant to be thing and at the time i was seeing a guy that i was in like i call it like a kept relationship um wait what like i couldn't get out it was just like he was a guy who was older than me that i had like that i had lost my virginity to to be completely honest and i was like girl we gotta get rid of i was like i'm good like it's it's all good like this is a sweet memory and moment but like we're we're done you did break up and he and he was like i made you a woman like bad he said that he did it's cringe no it's really cringy no how long were you together with him uh like a year year and like a year and a half yeah i mean i know i know well you had an okay friendship the beginning.
In the beginning. It's someone that should have always been like a guy friend.
Yes. Never should have dated.
100%. For a man to say that he made you a woman, I will kill you.
No, I know, I know. But the fact that I was like kind of chill, like almost kind of like a bro, like, this is nice, like, whatever, like, who cares? I lost my virginity to you.
It's like not that big of a deal. It's not that big of a deal.
He like had it in his diary. Yeah, it was very much a big deal.
Like, wow, I'm excited about this. Wait, how did you end a relationship with him? Because that's hard.
Like, to be like someone that's clearly he was more into it than you. Yeah.
You called it a kept relationship. Yes.
I know, I know. I mean, you did end it.
And then remember he like convinced you to stay in it? To stay in it. So I like, we had broken up and then we got back together.
And then I'm on this movie, like hanging out, you know, shooting in Sequoia National Park. We're all, we're all staying in these cabins at the base of the mountain.
So like after we would wrap, we all would eat dinner together and hang out and like run lines or whatever. And I just remember like essentially like talking shit about him to people being like, I't know I'm like I'm in this relationship but like I gotta get out of it like you know at this time it was like what it was like November beginning of November so I was probably thinking like you know I'm gonna try to wrap this up and and be on my way but I knew that I had I had agreed to do a movie that he was directing that was next.
It was the next film.

So I had to do this next movie with him as a director.

Oh, yeah.

And I broke up with him at the beginning of the movie.

I was so brutal.

But then had to be in it.

But had to be in it.

Directed by him.

Yeah.

And he would be kind of trying to be like, no, like, we can make this work.

And I was like, we're done.

I really don't want to do this.

Wait, you're so strong for that.

It was brutal.

It was not.

I do not recommend doing that.

I recommend just bailing out of the movie and not doing the movie. True.
But also that's like your career where you're like, do I do it? That's tough. Yeah, it was great.
That's also like, ladies listening, I have been in that situation before. When you try to break up with someone, anyone, whatever gender.
And they don't let you go, okay? Well, literally won't let you. And they won't let you.
That means it's really bad. Run it's kind of like firing it's kind of like firing someone that's like you're not yeah and they're not doing this i'm not leaving what but why would you want me now like if i'm firing you you're not gonna be like no that's normal like there'd be like ups and downs like sometimes like you'll you'll be in and out of love i'm like no that ain't how it works no when someone doesn't want you, listen to them and leave.
Yes, believe them.

Oh my God. Okay, wait.

So when you met Ali's husband, like were you immediately –

No, in the beginning I was like –

I think she was a little judgmental.

Hated.

There's some –

Not hated.

There's some crossover that's happening here.

I was a little judgy.

I'm not going to lie.

Okay, okay.

Even though I knew Ali was going to get out of it, I was like you should have gotten out

of it like six months ago and then you'd be like free and clear, but whatever.

But then – At least he turned into my husband. True.
He turned into the husband, so I'm happy and he's literally become like my brother. Like I love him and I have so much respect for him as a husband and a dad, like to watch him as a father, like it's really beautiful.
But in the beginning I was like, I don't know about this guy. Like he was really shy.
He was really quiet. I don't do great with quiet people except for like when I was translating she's a translator but like in general like I'm like come on like let's go like let's have a conversation like I've got a really bubbly personality and he was just very quiet he's like an intellectual he's very he's super grounded super smart and I think I felt maybe like a little like okay here's this like Ivy League guy I'm not gonna be able to like carry a conversation with him he's probably smarter than me like i think i was intimidated i get that and again back to what we were saying with sisters it's like you're protective so protective and you have to look for her blind spots yes that's how i am with my sister like she's dating right now and i'm like no what is going on and what it like because i'm just like i want the best for her so naturally it is your job almost to be like i don't like you until you prove that I should like you.
Yes. And then he did.
And I was like, I I'm just like, I want the best for her. So naturally it is your job almost to be like, I don't like you until you prove that I should

like you.

Yes.

And then he did.

And I was like, I love him.

Although two years later when he proposed, I like sobbed.

Oh yeah.

And you knew before.

Yeah.

I got so, not because I wasn't happy for Allie.

I literally felt like I'm like, I'm going to lose my sister, I think.

No, that's hard.

Like I had this weird, unrealistic idea that a marriage meant that me and her kind of,

like I literally went up, we were living together in Laurel Canyon and we were sharing a place

and I went upstairs.

I don went up. We were living together in Laurel Canyon and we were sharing a place and I went upstairs.
I lived in the top loft and I like closed my closet door and I sobbed. I was so happy for her.
But at the same time, I was like, I'm literally going to lose my sister. And it didn't happen at all.
Of course. Here we are.
Yeah, here we are. I do think that's really relatable.
Like I've talked about this with my siblings, especially like around the holiday season, you get to spend more time with your family. And it is kind of like sad when you start to get older and adult and do all the things that adults should be doing and your core family starts to expand.
And it's like now you're creating your own family. Right.
And your own memories and traditions. And it's so sad but exciting.
But I relate to that a lot of like as we are all growing older you're like we i want to hold on to my siblings and what we had in our core don't grow up and don't leave me yeah really it's more just like there's now more memories and there's more fun yes it adds to it you more nothing dies no but i get why you would freak out because like i'm the same way you're gonna on the wedding night like god bless our dad but like he we were doing like a dance even though it was a father-daughter dance later down the road it wasn't my father-daughter dance you had had yours but I was like later dancing with dad and I was like this is a really sweet moment and dad goes honey how are you doing and I was like I'm really happy for them like I feel really good about this and he was like that's awesome you know what you lost a sister but you gained a brother. And I was like, what the,

huh?

I mean,

it's everything I had cried about.

He didn't mean my dad just,

our dad talks like that.

And I was like,

huh?

You're like,

wait,

come again.

You're like,

dad,

this is why I've been mentally unwell.

Yes.

Unwell.

But this is also the same man.

Love you, dad. Shout out to dad and mom.
Great people. This is also the same man who like lost his father a few years ago and Stephen never got to meet him, our grandpa.
And literally at the funeral told Stephen. I wasn't at the funeral because I was working in Vancouver.
At the funeral told Stephen, I want you to meet my dad. And he was dead in the castle.
But he's in the, like that's, do you know what I mean? We're not totally, yeah. Like thatage is interesting.
It's just interesting, yeah. You're like, Dad? I want you to meet my dad.
It's the open casket. You want to shake his hand.
Yeah, I know. And I don't know how, wait, you were there to witness it, were you? You said that Stephen handled it as best.
Stephen handled it so well. He was like, okay, Mark.
Stephen's like, Mark, I am going to meet your dad. And we're going to hit it off over here.
Stare to the open casket. But dads can say some really, really whack stuff.
It's unwell. You're like, whoa.
The more and more they get older, dads, you have to smile. My dad has been saying some great love you, dad, some crazy shit lately.
I'm like, huh? Love you, dad. Love you, dad.
You got to just laugh. Happy holidays.
Happy holidays. Happy holidays.
You're all insane. Yeah.
Okay. AJ, you have a boyfriend.
I do. It's been six years.
Yeah. How did you guys meet? We met at a film festival in Napa.
Oh, yeah. Bougie.
I know it was actually bougie. Allie and I had made a film with her husband that had gone to the Napa Valley Film Festival.
And he had produced and starred in a short film that was shortlisted for an Oscar that year that was also premiering at the film festival. And it was an amazing short film.
And him and I met and like, there was like a spark, but at the time he was with his girlfriend there and I was dating someone in Canada. I loved long distance for a while, which was just really on that kick.
And, and I just was like, gosh, I'm going to know this guy for a while. And I don't know how or why.
And it's going to happen at some point. But I remember he was wearing this like lumberjack, red, black flannel.
And I was just like, this guy is hot. And he's like salt of the earth vibes.
And then down the road, a year later, he was single. I was single.
And we connected on Instagram. And we needed somebody in the music to overtake me.
I cast him in our video. In our video, because we were playing vampires.
And you were like, you. And you were like, can we kill you in a video? He's really hot.
He should be in our video or take me to be a victim in our in our video because we were playing vampires and you're like you and you were like can we kill you in a video hot he should be in the video like let's have him in yeah wait what was your first impression how did you meet him when did you meet him i met him at the festival yeah i think you like with you because maybe was there like a panel or something together i think yeah yeah and then and then we did the the video shoot and he was like super down and then we had a couple girlfriends come and also be victims and they were like down to just kind of like hang out for the day when they started dating were you protective or no i don't know what do you feel like i feel like because you already had steven in play for such a right chunk of your life right you've lost some of that because you're set and you're like sure she's got this. Yeah.
I think maybe when AJ was younger, I was more protective or more like, who is this guy? Like, what are you after? Are you actually a loser? And you're just like hiding it really well. But I feel like I've always been on like good terms with most of the guys that you've dated.
I feel like you have too. Like kind of a friendly banter.
You maybe not as much where you've been like friends with my ex. True.
In in a way I've been more judgmental about who she's dated than the other way around yeah which again maybe is the younger sister oh me too I'm like you're a fucking loser you don't deserve my sister my sister's like Alex I've gone on two dates with this man and you just ran into him on the street in New York this wasn't even a planned meeting I'm like back off yeah he's like what um okay I'm like yeah that's a nightmare to have me your parents are divorced right yeah how do you guys think their divorce informed how you approached your romantic relationships in your adult lives if i'm gonna speak for aj i think that oh oh no that's fine don't speak for you speak for me yeah i think i mean we kind of do in general like maybe a bad habit. But I think that AJ, as the little sister vibes, was more like heartbroken by it.
Yeah, I took it really bad. And shattered.
And took it really bad. What age did they get divorced? 21.
19 and 21. Okay.
Yeah, 19, 21. So like in a way, you're old enough to know exactly what happened, all the details.
Like I think there's a positive and a negative to it. But I think for us for us I was shattered it helped that I was on a tv show and I was living by myself alone for the first time out in Vancouver oh yeah and so I was just focused on that and you were like left at home to be at home with my mom still all of us at that point were living together and you were kind of mourning the divorce a little bit with her so I think in a weird way you like carried some of that trauma with you where i was kind of like bye i'm off shooting the show for eight nine months and then i came home but when you wrapped we ended up living together we lived with our mom while she kind of dealt with getting her life back together after the divorce like we it would ended up being like a home of three women like yeah kind of it was like three's company but just yeah just ladies yeah no that kind of stuff like i know can like you're right affects people in different ways literally down to like logistically where you were at in the middle of your parents getting divorced can play such a role in like how it genuinely affected you because you got to be essentially removed correct yeah do you good point did you notice anything with like how that affected when you started to like engage in romantic relationships there There was infidelity with what happened.
We're actually like super close with both parents and I was able to forgive our father. And like, I actually feel like we're in a great place now, but at the time it was really hard for me.
And I think when I was dating people, I immediately had this trigger that like, they're going to cheat up. Like they're going to like, because how could that happen after 23 years of marriage? Like I feel bad talking about it because I love my dad, but like, it really was one of those things that became a trigger point that didn't really need to be there.
No one needs to be assuming you're being cheated on. You just feel like you've seen it now.
So you're like, it's going to happen to me. It's more possible.
I also think that's such an interesting dynamic. Because I could be sitting here with someone that had their parents get divorced when they were like six and it fucked them up.
But it is interesting hearing you guys talk about because I know this is a very very very relatable topic which like I have a friend that has a similar situation to you guys with your parents when you are that age and you're very deep and about to begin to explore your romantic adult relationships to have a foundation that was like pretty it seems like pretty solid yeah for your whole Well, people be shocked you know to find out to find out like yes what the family they broke up so your reality was so like disrupted i can imagine that yes like then you're like we if i can't trust like my dad then i can't trust any of these men when really again it's like they're doing this for the first time too and that's their relationship or whatever but it affects you it does girls but I don't think it's like or at least I didn't feel like it turned me off from marriage or not believing in marriage for whatever reason no no I think we still like believed in the idea of it and and I don't know I think we always felt like okay is a, there is a chance that you can actually have a successful marriage in this day and age. You just got to really work on it.
And I think if I'm, they stopped working on it. Yeah.
They stopped working on it. If I'm going to be the little Yoda that I am in my heart.
Bring it. Here we go.
That I am in my heart. I love it.
I'm kidding. I love you.
I'm joking. But I do love Yoda, actually.
The child. Yeah, the child.
We love girl, girl. I think that not working on the relationship between the mom and dad, like, is the whole end of the marriage because everything was poured into me and AJ.
And that was almost like a scapegoat. And then it was like, oh, we don't work on ourselves.
We ourselves we're not going to be in therapy we're not going to do these things we're not going to make sure that you are flown out on tour every you know two and a half weeks instead we're going to pride ourselves being the parents that were really there for the two kids in the industry but then it's like but then your guys's relationship apart which then affects us right that's interesting i saw someone recently talking about um when people just become their identity as being a mother or a father it's like you can't just be one thing like what's your identity to yourself what's your identity to your partner and that's how you lose yourself if you're just one I wonder like obviously how old is your child he's he'll be eight months I mean I guess when he's, when we, when this is out, like, he'll be, you know, almost nine. Almost, oh my God.
Yeah. How has like that concept of like recognizing still needing to pour, because you're in the thick of it right now.
Like you've got basically a newborn. How have you tried to like work with your partner to make sure you guys are good, even in the excitement of having like a new child? And that's all you want to talk about.
Well, I think I think making moments where it can be the two of us or even if like our kid is around, it's like, OK, well, he's like asleep right now. We can still kind of have like a little date night and go out to dinner and put him in his little stroller.
And like it can still be romantic or we can put a movie on or we can get away to our favorite place in Big Sur. And it can not just all about the kid you know no your son is so adorable like when he was at tour i was literally like this is the most calm baby i literally walk into your dressing room he's here yeah you can see him i see him after yeah yeah yeah he's in a little he's not in a matching we couldn't get miniature but oh yeah yeah but you would have tried you would have tried yeah you know i'm obsessed we can't get that turned around they're like please calm down you're like okay fine um okay

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Okay, ready? Who is the more bougie one between the two of you? Who likes the nicer stuff? I don't know. Maybe AJ.
She'll splurge on more like a skincare thing or like doing like your nails. Your skin is beautiful.
Thank you. Facials, massages.
Oh yeah, the spa, the spa. We both love a spa but I tend to like maybe do it a little too much.
I was going to say is that like what is the luxury thing you can't live without? The spa? Yeah, facials. Like every three weeks.
Well like literally you have great oh my god you ever have bad skin like as a teen did you oh my god yes so like i will take all the compliments no oh my god you guys i had like full accutane when i was younger oh wow really but it was just like very hormonal and then like i got over it and it was gone wow and now like here we are glowing facials um okay who is more likely to take a secret to the grave me I probably AJ yeah you just smiled so I was like come on you're like give it to me yeah that is true AJ I'm like come on bitch it's me but I'm pretty good at keeping a secret but with each other like like got it to the grave together do you know what I mean like that's not to the grave that's not I know but it's like it has to be between the two of us who is more likely to pick a fight between the two of you i mean we both can pick a fight with each other pretty like quickly pretty quickly if it's the right subject matter you know the right thing if it's like we're disagreeing on something like how something was handled like ag will be like you had a bunch of typos in this one business email. I'm like, who cares? Yeah, I'll correct the correction officer.
She's like, you're writing an email like you're texting, you know, like you're or whatever. I'm like, this is sloppy.
This isn't good for our business. I'm like, okay.
I'm like, sorry, like that. But that's not even a fight.
But like, I usually start something sooner, I feel like, than you do. That's probably true.
Yeah, AJ's maybe a little more fiery. I love, if you had say, what is your biggest pet peeve about each other? Hmm.
I just like start a full fight between you guys on this podcast. Oh my gosh, I have it.
Wow. Oh wow.
Allie started doing this in the last like year very consistently. I actually don't think I've addressed it with you.
Oh my God. Where she'll go, maybe you could do that.
Yeah, you're right. It's me.
She'll start a sentence that she's asking you to do something, but instead it's like, maybe you could get that bottle like for Jack or like maybe you could get that like yeah you're right it's me it's me she'll start a sentence that she's asking you to do something but instead it's like maybe you could get that bottle like for jack or like maybe you could get that that's true you know what i'm talking about yeah yeah i don't know how you word it exactly i think it starts with maybe you could oh interesting and it's like you want me to like you want me to or i could ask me the question and i'll do it okay so i should just be asking the question yes or just be like get me can't stand it get me get me I mean, I'd rather you just say like, do that. Get the burp cloth.
Maybe you could. Maybe you could.
Oh, interesting. Oh, that's infuriating.
That drives me nuts. That's a good one.
Drives me insane. That is a great one.
Okay, your turn. Ooh, AJ.
Hmm. Okay.
We both are OCD and we know this about each other. But AJ loves to reorganize an area that I've already kind of pre-tried to organize knowing that AJ doesn't like something moved like the shoes or something I'm like okay she'll like it I love things lined up like perfectly it's bad the shoes are just in a different corner but they're still they're still on the ground and you're like I literally cleaned for you I'm like I'm clean for the OCD like just trying to get ahead of it that's OCD you can't it's a beauty it has to be your way has to be your way.
It doesn't make any damn sense, but it's your way. Even if you move it and put it back.
There's nothing logical. Yep, exactly.
It's like this pile of clothes. You're lucky I did not reorganize this bookshelf.
I can't imagine what it's actually feeling in this room. It's only in my own space.
Okay, that makes me feel good. It's never in someone else's ever.
Who is the first to usually apologize if you guys are coming back from a fight? Probably AJ.

Yeah.

Allie?

I don't even remember the last time you said I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm not good at saying that.

She does not apologize.

Yeah, that's true.

Okay.

No, but you said you're usually lightly starting it and then you're ending it?

Yes.

Love that for you.

I'm a closer.

You guys, your new music.

Okay.

We're here.

Let's talk about it.

You have a new album coming out and a single. The single is coming out onuary 10th love what is it called what it feels like we were supposed to do that at the same time but it's fine yeah let's do it again ready okay what is it called what it feels like wait and five six seven eight what it feels like gorgeous gorgeous okay talk to me about this album what is the inspiration behind the music i mean this record feels like.
Gorgeous. Gorgeous.
Okay, talk to me about this album. What is the inspiration behind the music? I mean, this record feels like it's never been more us.
Obviously, every single album, you're hoping to achieve, you know, that 10% better, right? Each time, just like you would with like each, you know, season of the show. But I do feel like we've really stepped into like our womanhood on this album.
And I think part of that is, is I think just seeing that this music has been so informed by our live show and touring and playing songs to a live audience and with our band that we've now been playing with for a few years has really helped us identify, okay, this is the kind of music we want to put on a record and what we want to then go out and tour. So I think it's looking at it from like, the live show is the top of the pyramid and how do we get to the live show? And I think a lot of this music was created with people that we felt really safe with

and was – while I was like heavily pregnant.

I mean, I guess we started writing it right before I got pregnant.

And then really the whole making of this album has been either me pregnant and then delivering

and then album is finished and delivered itself.

Oh my God.

It's weird.

Her water broke in like day two of like pre-production at her house at my yeah in the guest room wait at like 6 a.m that's kind of like i was texting with steven it was very it was like what's going on in there he's like i think her water broke i was like what we just started and then i got really nervous thinking ocd i was like she's gonna be pissed because this water is on her bed and on the ground not when it's like your child although that is pretty funny Ali's like clean it up get the rags oh my god okay so how long was the writing process of this album the writing was finished so I would say the writing took a solid year before we really were ready to be like these are the 15 songs we want to record we're very like like just maybe just under maybe just under a year yeah this is a hard question what is your favorite song off the album that's hard i'm so happy with this record but i really think my number one is michael's song we wrote it about a really dear friend of ours that we had worked with in the industry for years and he passed away last year and we were were like, we have to write about this. And we were on tour.
We were on tour during the funeral. We weren't able to come.
Our parents came on behalf of us, which was really sweet. We're really close to his daughter and his wife.
Literally like a longstanding member of the Alley and AJ team. Like the longest running team member for us.
He was our business manager for years. It was kind of almost like father figure you know so it was very hard to come to terms with it and then we we felt like this could be a song you know um and it's so specific like when you listen to the song and you read the lyrics you're like oh this is this is very specifically about like the very last time we saw him and not knowing of course it.
That it was like our last dinner. But I feel like that's such a powerful message because everyone has experienced grief, so they'll be able to like transport themselves probably when they're like the last time they saw whoever it was to them that they lost.
And they, what is your favorite? Honestly, it's kind of a tie between two. And I think it's because it has to do with my son and then the fact that I was leaving Laurel Canyon to then live in Santa Barbara like away from AJ and I wrote I basically wrote this song with AJ about um like moving into this new house and this new space and it not feeling like a home and feeling like I was kind of like summoning it to be this, this place that I felt welcomed in and not, not like it had like bad juju or vibes.
I just was like, this isn't perfect and this isn't right. And I want to change out this doorknob.
And my husband was just like, okay. And I'm like pregnant and like nesting.
And I'm just like frantic, like fix this. This needs to be fixed.
And it just, and I was like, you know what, this would be a good song, like willing this to happen and to make this space a home. And I really love AJ's, the way she sings the bridge on, on that song.
The song's called, I don't know what it is. And, and I think that song just whenever I listened to it, it's almost kind of healing because I'm finally at a place where the home doesn't feel like a shell.
Yeah. Like a shell.
It feels like, oh, this is a place that has good memories. And I associate like my birth and I birthed in this living room right here.
And this is, this wasn't traumatic. This was all kind of what I hoped it would be.
Um, so that's beautiful. Yeah.
So I think it's like the, the, the end story of it is really great, but it was very much me struggling to find my identity within the home. And then the other song that's like maybe equal to that is a song called Dandelions, which is about Jack.
And we kind of wrote this pre him being born, which is crazy. Knowing he was coming.
Knowing he was coming and that we wanted him to like have this message of hope and like whatever dreams we're not able to reach, he is more than capable reaching them himself you know that is hopefully each generation reaches more oh my god how crazy and cool that you guys like one day like your son will get to watch you perform a song about him live and listen to it and have it forever like that's such a beautiful gift yeah i mean that is the power of songwriting yeah it really is i think the other thing about specifically songwriting, and it's funny because I'm learning constantly about music we've actually already written, but I'm learning new things about what we've written after the fact. Like to me, when a song takes on a new life, but it had a different meaning when you wrote it, like I don't know what it is.
Now when I listen to that song and I picture your home, which you've now created from the ground up as like a beautiful nest, I'm like, whoa, this is so different than how we came at this song, writing it, thinking we're splitting up as sisters. We're no longer going to live in the canyon by each other.
We're like, what are we doing? We're going to be torn apart. And it's like, no, we're just shifting into other parts of our life.
Right. Now that song is like shows your growth because now your house is a home and now you're so happy.
This is what I love, how songwriting teaches you something, but you wrote it.

Like a year later, you're listening to it differently.

It's kind of prophetic in a way.

That's really cool.

It is prophetic.

How songwriting is.

It is.

And I think with this record, there was so much like feminine energy around it.

And I think part of that was me being pregnant.

But then part of that was us just going through the growing pains of like we are getting older and we don't live down the street from each other. And we, this, like, we aren't living in our childhood really anymore.
We're, we're out of that phase. And we're not in our 20s anymore, which we just got reminded by an executive.
Yeah, yeah, literally. Stop.
No. We went to have a meeting.
No, with the label. Like, I'm not kidding, like, a label meeting.
Literally, like, last week. The, the note was like, we love the record.
We think it's amazing. But like, we're not here to break women in their 30s.
Like we're here to break pop stars in their 20s. I was like, so we need to be like 21 or something.
I was like, I'm 35. I was like, I'm 33.
I was like, we're still young as hell. And I was like, now I'm reminded that we're not somehow.
After the meeting, she's like, I'm sorry. I just, I have to kind of like, like not after the meeting.
I had a process. After we had heard that it was a no.
So it was like, you know, we did the meeting and then it was like, you know, whatever it was, two days later, it was like, oh, a call is coming, you know, and we're kind going, okay, no so it was like you know we did the meeting and then it was like you know whatever it was two days later it was like oh a call is coming you know and we're kind of going okay well i want i hope it's like positive and then that was the feedback and adria's like i just need to sit with this for a minute because i'm like i've never even thought of myself as not being in the zeitgeist of right and you're also like is the music good or no right like what does that have to do with how old i am and it like, how many times do you think they've said that to a man?

Probably never.

Probably never.

They're not trying to break a, what?

I know.

Also, I'm like, we're not horses.

Yeah, yeah.

You don't need to break us.

Totally.

And we've broken.

You know what I mean?

Also, I think part of it was, besides, you know, like you said, the fact that it's maybe

not ideal age for breaking an artist, whatever, in the music industry.

I think part of it was also like, the album was completed and done. They couldn't meddle and change stuff.
Because it was finished. Because it's finished.
It's not like, hey, here's some demos. And they're like, oh, yes, we love track one.
No to two, three, and six. Change this sound and this vibe.
And they were like, you know, and we wouldn't maybe go down this route, like, sonically for you. I'm like, like, us playing music and writing the music? Like yeah it's wild so it was though a blessing that you guys did it on your own and you don't want to work with someone that doesn't want to like doesn't want you in the way you are exactly at right now because clearly you guys said you have other records that you never put out this feels right to you yeah so go with so go right it's it's it's a message that that is very pure and what it is there's no like a gimmick behind it so they're not like oh I can like it's harder to sell yeah it's harder to sell something because they're like what's the shtick and it's like but just we're sisters we play music we write we've been doing this since we were young but I think that's like the best part about you guys like I have to say growing up and listening to you guys you have such incredible voices.
But hearing you perform live at my tour, I remember like pinching my best friend Lauren being like, their voices are so beautiful. Like literally you guys have like such incredible voices.
And what I appreciate about you guys and about this album is actually more like that it is real. It is obvious when people have not written their music and when they're told to wear the certain thing and look the certain way, just kind of like you guys are describing, you would go into meetings and you feel people trying to shift and mold you into something that you're not.
And I think if people are looking for something in their life music wise, that's actually going to connect them to the real shit that they're going through. This is more of the album.
I think like people right now are more interested in than maybe, who knows? No, but sure. You can love pop, but like, I really think that you guys are connecting to something that people are loving, which is authenticity.
So it's exactly what your show is. Yeah.
And I feel like people gravitate towards that, you know, I think people are searching for that. That's why this show works.
Like it's authentic. Because it's the truth you can tell women you talk and how women feel and how we communicate you knew that was a missing piece yes yeah it wasn't really going on i think it's so exciting to see you guys like back at it and i think it also is such a testament to like your ability to be critical of yourselves to be like we didn't put out certain albums because it didn't feel right and we weren't ourselves.
And so the fact that like, this is all you, this was done at a very incredible, vulnerable, emotional time in both of your lives. Like, I think that the world is gonna be so, so, so excited to hear it and they're gonna love it.
So I'm so excited for you guys. You are so lovely as human beings.
I know we haven't spent that much time together, but like, I feel like I now know you guys enough to be like, you guys are real ones. So thank you so much for you guys.
You are so lovely as human beings. I know we haven't spent that much time together,

but like I feel like I now know you guys enough

to be like,

you guys are real ones.

So thank you so much

for taking the time

during the holidays

and coming and sitting down

with me.

You guys are the best.

Happy New Year.

Thank you.

You could be a little sister.

Oh, I'm putting it on.

You're an honorary.

We look like we're related.

You're the youngest sister.

You are the youngest.

I'm coming.

I'm coming in.

I'm going to put it on.

Love you guys.

Love you too.

Thank you.

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