Kim Petras: The Throat Goat (FBF)

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Speaker 1 Kim Pecorus, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 2 Yay. Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 I am so happy you came in your sparkle clogs.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah. You showed up.
You should bust them out.

Speaker 1 How did you pick your outfit today?

Speaker 2 Um, just kind of, I went off the clogs. They really dictated everything else.
I don't know. Just kind of felt like witchy.
I've been in my witchy vibe.

Speaker 1 You need to confirm for everyone, though, are they comfortable?

Speaker 2 Um, yeah, they're comfortable. Like, I would say, like, like pool slide vibes.
Pool slide. Just a little heavier.

Speaker 1 But you're not going to, like, run in those.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Even though I probably could and should.

Speaker 1 I just have to say, I'm so happy for you. You are everywhere right now in the best way.
Your music, your personality, like everything you're doing is just fucking incredible. And I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 You won a Grammy? Hi. Yeah.
Like, no big fucking deal. How did it feel to win a Grammy and how did you celebrate?

Speaker 2 It felt insane. It felt like something that just shouldn't happen to me.
Honestly, you know, I'm such a like, you know, I've just been performing in gay clubs for so long and been like in that scene.

Speaker 2 And like, Sam really changed my life with that song. And,

Speaker 2 I mean, I went to Diplo's party after, so that was really really fun Diplo's fun he's fun I'm a big fan

Speaker 2 and and yeah I just like saw my friends and we were all just like in disbelief just like oh my god this really just happened I'm so grateful I got to like shout out Sophie on on stage and that I remembered that too

Speaker 2 because like I could have just blacked out

Speaker 2 and like I thanked my mom and so it was just like such a like big moment that I didn't think would happen ever since then it's just been like a lot less sleep.

Speaker 2 Like, it's definitely like post-Grammy, like, it's just like kept going and kept getting more and more and more. But I like it, so it's cool.

Speaker 1 Dude, that is so crazy to think about going on stage and accepting a Grammy and just being like, I hope I can get my words out.

Speaker 1 Like, I hope I say one thing that, like, did you have a full speech planned or no?

Speaker 2 I did, but I, like, five minutes before like our category was on, I just like put it away and I was like, just speak from like this moment and from your heart. And

Speaker 2 yeah, because Sam really put me on spot. Sam was like, I'm gonna have you accept the Grammy if we win it,

Speaker 2 just because I've done it, and like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, please, no, don't do that to me.
Like, I was like, please.

Speaker 2 But I'm so grateful now that I did it.

Speaker 2 And like, I'm such a shy and nervous person in my life, which you wouldn't think from my music, because my music is kind of where I live out my craziest ideas and fantasies.

Speaker 2 But I'm a pretty shy person. And

Speaker 2 so, yeah, that was wild. And I remember looking at J-Lo's face and like Jay-Z sitting there, and just being like,

Speaker 2 I can't believe this.

Speaker 1 That's so interesting. I feel like now, having sat down with people in the music industry, like we were talking about Anita, yes, how Anita is the best.
Shout out, we love you, Anita.

Speaker 1 Um, but Anita also kind of talked to me about that.

Speaker 1 Of like, she's actually really shy, and then like she has this alter ego that she infuses into her music, and it's just the way that she's able to like put her, I guess, side like personality that she wants to be into Anita the character.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Which is kind of cool.
Do you feel like that's similar with you?

Speaker 2 1 million percent. I feel like that's always just been like my saving grace in life from like my shyness.
It's just when I'm on stage, it's like something clicks and I'm a completely different person.

Speaker 2 And I just feel in line with everything. I don't overthink myself.
I feel like confident because like the one thing that I know how to do is perform and write songs.

Speaker 2 Like that's always been like everything else I'm like horrible at and just like can't fit. Like I can't even even cook.
Like, I can't do shit.

Speaker 1 You know, I love how you're like, I can't cook, but I just want a fucking Grammy bitch.

Speaker 2 It's okay, Kim. It's okay.

Speaker 1 I think you would all take that over being able to cook.

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Speaker 1 You also were recently on the cover of Sports Illustrated swimsuit. Growing up, did you ever picture yourself being on the cover of a magazine?

Speaker 2 Um, no, I was in my school, like I remember being like such a like freak to everyone because like since I was a kid, it was like very public that I was trans and like I was very open about it.

Speaker 2 And so I was just kind of this like nerdy, weird kid and like no one thought I was like pretty or sexy or anything like that.

Speaker 2 And so um I doubted being able to do that stuff and especially being like in a swimsuit was like I was I definitely had like a nervous breakdown like the day before I'm like can I like pose in a swimsuit and be that because I just yeah I didn't think I could but then there's like amazing people and photographers and like the whole sports illustrator team who just like hyped me up and were just like

Speaker 2 you know making me feel so good about myself that it like all just like happened like they really make me feel like I belong on the cover and it makes me want to cry because like I I'm such a person who just like doesn't think of themselves as like you know all that when you say that when you were younger that you were like people never saw me as like sexy and cute when do you think you started to actually for yourself did you always feel sexy and cute you were like fuck you guys like I'm sexy and cute or did it come at a certain point um I mean it's still waiting no I mean I um honestly I think what gave me a lot of a lot of confidence and what built my confidence was becoming an artist and becoming a writer and going on stages and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 And once I kind of found my like friends and

Speaker 2 gay people in general who like celebrated me for who I am and that whole, you know, I think once I started going to gay clubs, I was like, I belong here and I get the music, I get the people, I get what it's all about.

Speaker 2 So I think that's when I started to like myself and all of that.

Speaker 2 But I think in general, like it's it's never like my goal to be like sexy or to be hot it's always like i want to bring like a little bit of a like weirdness to things because i've always felt like i was kind of just like on the outside of things and i find i i don't know i find more happiness in looking a little off and a little weirder than just looking hot.

Speaker 1 I totally get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I actually think it's way better to feel like you're a little outside because then you're also just going based off of your own parameters of like half the time we're just trying to be like other people.

Speaker 1 That's so fucking boring. Like, I don't want to be like anyone else.
But I also think I appreciate you saying, like, I'm still working on it.

Speaker 1 No one, even you can look at Kim online like she's got it all together. She's winning Grammys.
She's hanging out with celebrities.

Speaker 1 It's like, but we're all still working on ourselves in some capacity till the day it's over.

Speaker 2 So it's like, for sure, you have to.

Speaker 1 You have to. Wait, and you're from Germany, right?

Speaker 2 I'm from Germany, yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you tell me in German how to say welcome to call her daddy?

Speaker 2 Uh, wikom tu uh nenzi fata.

Speaker 2 Oh, German is the unsexiest language of all time. I feel like that's why I'm also like, I've just always been like a little more

Speaker 2 the weird German immigrant, you know, in America because like it's just not a sexy language.

Speaker 2 I have a song on my spooky Halloween album where I sing German, and it comes in handy when you want to sound scary.

Speaker 2 Oh, most people are really scared when us like when I yell at you in German, you're scared. Can you yell at me in German?

Speaker 2 Like Alex, bump off, get your shit together, ask me better questions.

Speaker 2 Alex, fichtisch. Give me best of the frang.
Hello?

Speaker 2 Oh my god. Alex, give me best frang.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 1 It's scary. That is scary.
But Kim, I do kind of feel like you made it kind of sexy. Like,

Speaker 2 I think you have a little, you know, you got something. Dankeschen.
Oh! Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to learn how to say all that by the end of this. Okay, so you talked about how you started your career in gay clubs all around the country.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Clearly, that was such a huge part of your coming up and in this industry. How did people in the clubs initially treat you?

Speaker 1 And like, how did they like you and your personality and your vibe and your music?

Speaker 2 I think...

Speaker 2 They just really immediately kind of got it. I mean, I remember like my first

Speaker 2 few years, like going back and forth from New York and just kind of being a club kid and having my first few songs out and just like performing on a bar stool or like a table, you know, like, um, and people were just like,

Speaker 2 I get this and I understand this. And just like, since I'm a part of the community, it's like, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 But they were the first, like, all the little Bushwick kids like were the first ones to play my music.

Speaker 2 And I'll never forget that because it was like with a lot of like going into like labels and stuff like that. It was a lot of,

Speaker 2 we don't know what your demographic would be and like is it you know you make gay club music and it was kind of a in a bad way and not in a good way like to them because like that wasn't gonna make as much money um and that's always really confusing to me because to me that's like the coolest thing when people play you in gay clubs right that's literally all you could ask for yeah like you want you want all the gays being like fuck yes this is the bottom what the oh wow that did that ever kind of affect you in your musical decisions?

Speaker 1 Like, did you ever find yourself being like, should I go a little bit more one way?

Speaker 2 I think, if anything, it made me double down on it.

Speaker 2 Like, it just, like, whenever someone says that something is, like, something that I'm passionate about and something that I love, I go harder in that dire. It is not it.

Speaker 2 I go harder in that direction.

Speaker 2 And I feel like, so that honestly gave me, like, so much, like, will to, like, prove that there's people who will come to my shows and that I can have a big song and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we can sell, bitch.

Speaker 2 We want a Grammy. Yeah, we can.
Totally. We want a Grammy.
We have a number one.

Speaker 1 When you're saying you're in these clubs, do you remember any like early fun stories for us of like memories from performing in these clubs that have stuck with you of like just iconic moments for yourself and your career?

Speaker 2 Signing dicks

Speaker 2 is one of them.

Speaker 2 That must be

Speaker 2 out there. That's pretty good.
Totally, like doing my fans paupers on stage,

Speaker 2 hitting weed pens from my signing weed pens.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I signed all kinds of body parts. I hung out with the hottest porn stars.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like it was, it was, it's wild and I love it. And I still, like, every now and then, I just, like, need it.
I just need to go to, you know, like a warehouse rave and go.

Speaker 2 crazy and uh do all that but but yeah those were like iconic moments i think also mandalapore being at my first gig. Mandalapore is this like New York icon.

Speaker 2 And yeah,

Speaker 2 just so many iconic people that I've met through clubs.

Speaker 1 That is

Speaker 1 so fucking cool to just be like, that's also how your career started.

Speaker 1 Of like, basically, you're just having fun partying and you're singing and everyone loves your music and you're just like thriving. But I wonder, do you ever, yeah, I was gonna say, do you miss that?

Speaker 1 Because then you're like standing on stage and it's a little bit more formal.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's some more choreographed i don't i do miss it a little bit i i miss mostly going to uh to clubs undetected uh i can go to straight clubs now undetected but i can't go to gay clubs anymore without taking a million photos and i i party you know i i feel like i really love to

Speaker 2 you know just party and not think about how I look and I you know that that might be not the you know I'm like sweaty and red and all the pictures and

Speaker 2 so so that's put a little bit of like pressure on it.

Speaker 2 But like, I feel like I've figured out my like disguises and stuff like that. And yeah, honestly, like, I need like a fake beard, and like, oh, yeah, that's a good idea.
I feel like that'd be really

Speaker 1 a little short haircut, crew neck, little wig,

Speaker 1 maybe be like red, or maybe that's too much attention, maybe a black, sunglasses, huge mustache.

Speaker 2 Totally, a detransition moment.

Speaker 2 Just prostitute

Speaker 2 this.

Speaker 1 I am actually interested too, growing up in Germany. Like, what is the difference between nightclubs in Germany versus nightclubs in America?

Speaker 2 Ooh,

Speaker 2 I think it goes way later in Germany. I think people are down to be there until the morning,

Speaker 2 which is fun, especially if you like think about like Berlin and like Bergheim and all that stuff. It's definitely, and there's more techno.
There's weirder music in general.

Speaker 2 It's just like a lot of electro music. I would say house music is huge.

Speaker 1 Do you prefer American clubs or German clubs?

Speaker 2 Ooh,

Speaker 2 they both have their, you know, pros and cons. I think

Speaker 2 in general, like now, like American clubs, because like I need to actually be up the next day and do stuff, right?

Speaker 1 I always, when I was younger, was like, I was liking going out late, but now as I get older, I'm like, why can't we start at five o'clock? I know, start raging, and go to bed by midnight.

Speaker 1 And like, I can do the same shit. We can drink the same, like, we can do all the same shit.

Speaker 2 I endorse this. I endorse this idea.
Like, I love like starting early now and just, like, waking up the next day, not completely fucked. Like, completely.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because in your next, like, 48 hours, you're just not a human being functioning in the world.
Yeah. And I can't afford to do that with this career, this life.

Speaker 2 Totally. You can't.
And me neither. Like, we have to, like, do shit now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So American clubs, just because it's a little bit more responsible in terms of our timing. Yeah.
If we're trying to have a good time, let's go to Germany.

Speaker 2 Definitely.

Speaker 2 I think people in general just like go a little more crazy there got it what is your favorite song of yours to hear played in a club oh my favorite song of mine to play in a club uh treat me like a slut

Speaker 2 yeah i i have this record called slap pop which is all just like my sluttiest self and just only saying the most ridiculous sex shit uh there is which was so freeing and fun to make and um honestly like i feel like all my coolest fans like that's their favorite um so yeah treat me like a slut i love that answer so much and we're gonna talk about slut pop in a little bit because it's truly iconic and it's collar daddy something very cool about your career is the fact that you are self-made you have been doing this since you were super young you were teaching yourself how to write and how to produce in your bedroom where do you think that drive came from honestly from being excluded from social life.

Speaker 2 I feel like no one really got me, you know, in my like small town in Germany because I'm not

Speaker 2 technically from Cologne even, which is already kind of a small city. I was like two hours outside, like countryside, cows, grass.

Speaker 2 And I just

Speaker 2 I loved music. That was kind of the one thing that I would always do, like always listen to music on repeat and pop music in particular.

Speaker 2 And I would just harmonize and make my own little concepts and things like that. So I think it's just something that comes like natural to me.

Speaker 2 Um, but then I would just like sit down in my room and just really

Speaker 2 every single day because I didn't like school, I wasn't very good in school, I wasn't horrible in school, but I was like okay in school.

Speaker 2 And I was just like, I'm gonna be the next biggest hit songwriter, and that's a skill I can work on every single day. And uh, yeah, and then I got into writing jingles for like commercials and

Speaker 2 trying to write for other artists, pitching songs, and yeah, I really feel like that is just like my

Speaker 2 savior is that I'm able to write music.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's so inspiring to hear you talk, obviously, about like there's a lot of people that can probably relate to you of like being really isolated when you're younger, not feeling like you're fitting in and just like trying to find an escape, which you clearly found the best escape for yourself and it worked out.

Speaker 1 What would you say to your younger self that like Kim sitting in her room alone, just being like kind of isolated and getting picked on?

Speaker 2 Live a little.

Speaker 2 I would say that. I was like, really, like, a maniac, just like only working.
And I feel like my whole teen years, like, I didn't go to like parties. I, I was, like, just, like,

Speaker 2 just fully focused. And so I would tell myself to live a little and that things are going to happen when they're supposed to happen.
And that, that, that, that it's all going to, you know, work out.

Speaker 2 And that it's okay to go out with your friends. And it's okay to try and have a social life.

Speaker 2 Because, like, the answer isn't always just like well they all hate me so i just gotta be by myself and like be this like studio goblin uh

Speaker 2 you know i can actually also just

Speaker 2 yeah but but also it was a little bit of a different time i mean that was like uh so long ago now i i legitimately didn't know anyone else trans and you know so i was an internet kid i would just find people online who I could talk to and things like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's why like the internet is, I hate it and love it because you're so like, I remember when I was younger, like, YouTube, I would find like anything that you were going through if you were alone, you could find someone somewhere on the internet on YouTube.

Speaker 2 Same shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And so there's like a saving grace, obviously, of you saying, like, I didn't know anyone trans. I was by myself going through it.

Speaker 1 And I know you've been open, like, your family was very supportive of you. But still, even when like your parents are like, we got you.
It's like, okay, mom, dad, like, love you.

Speaker 1 But like, I, like, I need people my own fucking age to relate to and to connect to. Totally.
So I appreciate you sharing that.

Speaker 1 I know you've also been really open in your gender journey from a very young age that like you said at one point you felt very boxed in and labeled and that everything became about being trans and you just wanted to be seen as a person.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Which I can imagine it's like in every single interview, you're like, I'm an artist, but so many people want to also talk to you about being trans.

Speaker 1 Where are you now in your career and your journey of having your own identity and accepting yourself, but also like putting boundaries of like, we don't need to talk about every fucking thing every single time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, um, I feel like it's a unique situation, so I like to talk about it now because I feel like it's it's something where, um,

Speaker 2 yeah, it's just like a unique point of view, and I think it comes in as my strength sometimes that I get to write from that perspective because like, um,

Speaker 2 that's always just gonna be a big part of me that that I am trans and I think that gives me in songwriting like such an interesting angle angle.

Speaker 2 And I think what what's so special about music is that ju that it's like when I came to America and started going to studios it really didn't matter

Speaker 2 who I was. It just mattered like am I good? Is my songwriting good? Can I sing?

Speaker 2 You know and I feel like the more art that I get to put out and the more music I get to make the more I become an artist rather than you know all the labels that people put on me and it's not just a trans thing I mean it's like if you're a woman and you make music people just talk about you being a woman in music or you being a gay man in music or all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 You know, we all just get boxed into this label that defines us. And I think trans people in general are a good reminder that gender and all of that stuff is just a label.

Speaker 2 And it really is all about who you are

Speaker 2 inside and not about.

Speaker 2 all the stuff you know just because you're this doesn't mean you have to like this or do this and gender is is a much is a thing that matters a lot less i think and says a lot less about people than we think.

Speaker 2 Totally. And yeah, you are whatever, whatever you want to be, and whatever's in your, in your mind.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, absolutely. No, I love it.
No, it's so true because it's like when you break it down, it's like, just let everyone do whatever the fuck they want to do. Yeah.
And it's stop trying to

Speaker 1 just talk about people in one specific way. No one would be happy if the roles were reversed and you're just saying one thing about someone.
We're all very multifaceted.

Speaker 2 Totally. And every person is their own thing, you know, completely.
And I feel like just, just more than ever, I'm just trying to, you know,

Speaker 2 show people what's, what's in my mind, what, what, you know, what my music is about, what I stand for, rather than, you know, all the just talking about being trans all the time. Completely.

Speaker 1 Totally. I think your accomplishments, I mean, we could go through them all, but they speak for themselves.
Like you've, you've really popped off in an unbelievable way.

Speaker 1 You've had such an incredible career already. What a full circle moment that one of your biggest idols, Madonna, introduced your performance at the Grammys.

Speaker 1 What is it about Madonna that inspires you?

Speaker 2 Well, I think Madonna is someone who broke a lot of these like gender stereotypes and who can be very, you know, masculine in some of her music and talk about sex very freely and in a very different

Speaker 2 way and just like was so ahead of her time in like liberating people from feeling this shame about their sexuality and especially gay people.

Speaker 2 I mean she did that shit in the 90s when it was really really rough for gay people and I will forever just like feel inspired and liberated by her taking the hit for so many people because she really you know was caught like a witch and like all this crazy stuff for just talking about her sexuality and just being so all out there and I respect that in someone if they can be so if they can let that bounce off of them and, like, well, I am still going to talk about whatever I want to talk about.

Speaker 2 I'll never forget, like, right before the performance, right before, because there was a little break because it cuts to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She had like a little whip and she was like, like, mouthed to me, like, go get it, bitch. And like, whipped her little whip.
And I was like,

Speaker 2 I was like, literally, just, and I was tied up in this cage, so I like couldn't say anything back. I was like, arms up.
Like,

Speaker 2 picturing you trying to like like give her the nod and you're like i wish i could what do i do do i like do a kick like like

Speaker 2 totally

Speaker 2 the whole case falls over and you're like

Speaker 1 dude that is picturing you like fully tied up just being like

Speaker 1 like do i wink do i wink i know my gosh yeah no i so agree with everything you're saying about madonna it's it's so crazy to look back at certain eras where we were so young and watching like every generation has it.

Speaker 1 Where there's certain people that just become essentially the people that are breaking down barriers.

Speaker 1 And in that generation, I know so many people were like, Madonna's crazy, like she should be taken off air, like she shouldn't be able to do this.

Speaker 1 And yet, what people didn't understand is she was having such a needed conversation and allowed the next generation of performers to lean even further into it because she did what she did.

Speaker 1 And it's so cool that you now can be on fucking stage trying to give her a wing.

Speaker 2 No, totally. It's so freaking cool.
And like what she said too, because I think she was saying that she was supposed to do the record of the year or something like that.

Speaker 2 And she said she wanted to introduce the first trans performer at the Grammys. And I was like, oh, you really are the coolest to ever exist.

Speaker 1 Didn't you meet her for the first time drunk at an SNL After Party?

Speaker 2 Yes. She came to the SNL After Party.

Speaker 2 How drunk were you? I was so obliterated. I just kept talking her ear off about confessions on the dance floor.
And and I was like, that's one of the best like albums ever. It's a timeless classic.

Speaker 2 And like people don't really like appreciate it enough. And like, oh, and when you did this one, Ray of Light, it was like the most, it changed my life.
I was listening to it.

Speaker 2 I felt like so much less alone. And like, I was just talking earlier.
She was like, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 And then she was like, we should take a picture. And I was like.
Thank you so much for saying that because I would have just talked her fucking ears off for hours.

Speaker 1 She's like, sweetie, let's just pose so you can catch a breath.

Speaker 2 I know, I know.

Speaker 2 She must think I'm insane. No, no.

Speaker 1 I bet she gets that all the time. And also, it's just, it's, it's so genuine.
That's also just so iconic, though, for you to be like hammered at a party being like, Madonna, like, I love you.

Speaker 1 We love you, Madonna.

Speaker 2 I love you so much.

Speaker 1 Okay, Kim, we're gonna play a game.

Speaker 2 Let's play this game.

Speaker 1 We're gonna play, would you rather? Okay. Some of these are really fucking random, so don't judge me.

Speaker 2 Okay, I love it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Would you rather accidentally post a nude on your Instagram or butt dial your parents during sex?

Speaker 2 Posting it on my my Instagram. I feel like I have no like decency left, anyways.
Like, you can find

Speaker 2 nudes of me anywhere. So it's like, I was gonna say, yeah, I feel like I've like had my tits out at every shoot.

Speaker 2 Like, it's like, yeah, at this point, I'd rather do a nude because, like, I feel like calling my parents during sex would be disturbing for them. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 And for you after when you relive.

Speaker 2 Definitely.

Speaker 1 Because also, how bad to find out that you butt-dialed them, but you figure out it after replaying. Like, what was I saying during sex? Like, how nasty was that sex?

Speaker 2 Like, what was I doing?

Speaker 1 Like, what were the noises like just my dad could see the same my mom could see yeah the whole thing yeah yeah yeah um okay great so rather post nude love that i agree would you rather go a month without sex or a month without music

Speaker 2 A month without sex. I'm definitely there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm so single. And like, honestly, like, I've just been so busy.
Like, there's no hope right now. But it's like, okay.
Like, I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 The thing is, like, the music almost acts like a, like, as that, like, excitement and, and like that crush that I'm obsessed with because I can just like listen to it again and again and again and like get really obsessed and like change little details about it.

Speaker 2 And like all the little crushes I have on the side always end up in the music. So I like I make it and then I listen to them and think of them and how they're not.

Speaker 2 with me.

Speaker 2 That's actually great. You can't have them.
Right.

Speaker 1 And you can like re-listen to your music all the time in like a not stalkery way that you're like not over texting the person. You're just re-listening to your music.

Speaker 2 I'm not like re-watching their stories. I just listened to the song I wrote about them a million times.

Speaker 1 I think that's a great, great answer. Um, I know you love horror movies, and I know you love Halloween.

Speaker 1 So, would you rather never be able to watch a scary movie again or never be able to dress up for Halloween?

Speaker 2 I mean, Halloween is gay Christmas, you know. It's like it's so,

Speaker 2 so in me. Um, uh,

Speaker 2 I think,

Speaker 2 but never watch a horror movie again. I know.
That would be a Okay. Halloween is just once a year.
I would, like,

Speaker 2 you know, just like shut my doors, be a total witch in the hills, like,

Speaker 2 see no one, um, and pretend like Halloween doesn't exist and watch horror movies. Yeah.
So I would pick that.

Speaker 1 And then you can just go dress up another time of the year.

Speaker 2 Yes. Okay, that's fair.
I like that.

Speaker 1 Would you rather fuck someone who is absolutely silent or someone who screams the whole time?

Speaker 2 Someone who screams the whole time. Okay.

Speaker 2 At least I know that they're into it, you know? Like, but silence would just throw me off. Right.
Like, at least you know they're there. Yeah, totally.
It would just make me feel like

Speaker 2 they don't want this to happen. And that would be, that would really be.

Speaker 1 I've had like some hookups where the guy is so quiet. And I'm like, I just need like a couple grunts.

Speaker 2 I know, me too.

Speaker 1 Give me like a light fuck. Like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 I know. I hate that.
I hate that like a lot of guys are like.

Speaker 1 Too in the zone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like I'm not going to make any noises, man. Like, right.
Come on. Just do it.
Just let it go. Totally.
Let it go. It's like honestly hot.
I agree.

Speaker 1 Yes. Would you rather never give head again or never receive head again?

Speaker 2 Never receive head again. Giving head is like the funnest thing of my life.
Honestly, like it's so fun.

Speaker 1 We're gonna get into the throat. Go.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 Don't worry. We're getting there.

Speaker 1 Would you rather accidentally bite someone's dick giving a blowjob or throw up on it?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 it's such such a rough one. I feel like accidentally bite, I mean, it's not defined how hard it has to be.
You know, maybe it can just be a little tooth.

Speaker 1 Right? Like a little

Speaker 2 tooth. Like a little struggle tooth.
Yeah. Like just a tiny bit tooth.
Right. Is better than throwing up because I don't think I could work that out on therapy.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.
Like it would have to be the kind of throw up where, because I've had that before, where you basically do throw up, but you

Speaker 2 sell back up before it leaves. In that case,

Speaker 2 extra lube.

Speaker 2 anything

Speaker 2 oh my god okay chunky lube t-shirt chunky lube t-shirt they're like what does that mean on the back throw up that's my brand I'm gonna make so good so good would you rather have drunk sex or high sex

Speaker 1 High sex. Me too.
So much better. So good.
Would you rather be in the Mile High Club or fucking someone's car?

Speaker 2 Someone's car.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like planes are like

Speaker 2 plane bathrooms are just gross.

Speaker 1 Yeah, disgusting.

Speaker 2 I totally, but I respect it. Like, I have some like friends and like, especially like my gay friends that I like travel with.
They're like, yeah, I sat next to the hot guy and then we fucked.

Speaker 2 And like, I'm just like in my pod, like with like my eye mask on. And like, you know, it's not sexy.

Speaker 1 And like, I think maybe the allure could be like, ooh, you have to be quiet and hide it. I don't really want to have to do that.
I'd rather be in the car just like using the seatbelt.

Speaker 1 Like, choke me out. Let's go.

Speaker 2 Let's have a good time, like, let's hit weird. Yeah, good.
I feel like cars are just in general like such a good spot, like, be in a car with a boy. And

Speaker 1 they can move to what's happening. It gives a little, like, yeah, it gets a little foggy.
There's a lot of good time. Titanic.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Titanic. Both of us.
Grappling for it.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about your dating life. You said, you know, you're in a

Speaker 1 little dry spell, and we love that. So you're not dating anyone.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not dating anyone.

Speaker 1 Are you interested in dating at all?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I'm interested in it, but honestly, I feel like it's

Speaker 2 been something that's just like I'm good without too. And I feel like I've always been a relationship girl.
Like, I love a relationship.

Speaker 2 I'm not like a quick hookup girl, even though, like, sometimes, you know, I don't have a choice. Like, sometimes I have like boys in different cities that I can just call up in every city.

Speaker 2 That's a fun thing to be on.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 You got your road beef.

Speaker 2 I know, my road beef. Yeah.
No, that's good. But just right now, I just feel like I don't know who would like fit into my crazy life right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I'm just like always doing shit and always traveling and I'm never in the same space for long enough to even like really, you know, do something meaningful.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, yeah, like what is dating life like now as a pop star compared to like maybe a couple years ago where you still had like a little animated?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's it's really changed and I feel like people are just in general like a little scared of me now, which is kind of good.

Speaker 2 You know, it just like weeds them out like you have to just like say that you want me now, right? Or I don't have time for you, you know, my clog just slipped.

Speaker 1 The little clog, it felt like it was 500 pounds. We just hit the floor.
Oh, and you're like, I don't have time for you.

Speaker 2 Boom. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's interesting. So you like, does that make you sad a little bit that you think like, do you have, do you think people are seeing a persona of yours? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you have to like deconstruct it and be like, I'm not really always like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think in general, like Slep Pop really changed how guys see me because like I feel like a lot of the guys that I'm dating have heard slap pop and like know

Speaker 2 that and they're like, you know, and it's like, yeah, I'm the girl who sings throat goat, you know, and this is like, and they just feel like they have to like live up to this crazy expectation.

Speaker 2 And that's like not, you know, it's like such a...

Speaker 2 persona for for that record that it's like that's that's not me you know i'm also someone who just like wants to watch horror movies with you and like cuddle and be cute totally all of that and then like the last thing I want is for you to be scared of me right so if you're scared of me I'm immediately cutting you off because that makes me feel horrible about myself you know I get that because like I'm just like a

Speaker 2 genuine person and I really feel like I'm but I have crushes on the wrong guys like all the time really what do you have a type I don't really I feel like every single guy is like is very different I think the type that I have is just like the energy being good and and them being funny being honest being like loyal

Speaker 2 I think that's like the big ones for me. And just like, I like sweet guys.
I like when you're sweet.

Speaker 1 But you just said you're picking some of the wrong guys. So what's going on?

Speaker 2 So the not sweet guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know. Just guys who like keep me like dangling or think they have to constantly like do stuff to you know keep me obsessed with them.

Speaker 2 Then I'm on the road and like then you don't talk to me and then I'm back. It's just like, yeah.
It's exhausting. It's exhausting.

Speaker 1 Do you let your friends set you up with people or no?

Speaker 2 I do. Yeah.
I went on a date with a guy who my friend set me up with recently. Didn't really go anywhere, but it was fun because like sharing similar friends, you can at least talk about the friends.

Speaker 2 True. You know, you can just like talk about it.
She's so cool. She's the best.

Speaker 2 You have a commonality to talk about.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you're not like, how's your drink? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can be like, Rebecca's a bitch, right?

Speaker 2 Totally.

Speaker 2 Totally.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I let my friend set me up for sure.

Speaker 1 When was your last relationship?

Speaker 2 My last relationship was like one and a half years ago. And that was like a five-year relationship.
So like a long one.

Speaker 2 So I feel like I'm still like anyway at the part where like I need to like be by myself, get over that relationship and all the stuff that that did to me because it wasn't like a very nice relationship.

Speaker 2 It made me feel awful about myself for a few years.

Speaker 2 And that's the worst. I should have like cut it off when I felt it.
Um, but yeah, I, you know, it was it was the first time I broke up with someone, and the thank you, thank you,

Speaker 2 uh, and the first time that I just really feel like I did the right thing and listened to my intuition and got out of it.

Speaker 2 And I know a lot of people who don't get out of relationships that don't fulfill them, and they're almost like a new person when they get out of it. Like, it's like, oh my god, you're back.

Speaker 2 And you know, like, you're, you're, like, yourself again, and you're happy again. And so, that's my main thing.

Speaker 2 I never want to, you know, I mean, and no one wants to, but just I really don't want to be in any relationship that doesn't make me

Speaker 2 feel good and feel great, you know, because I'm such a pleasing person. And like, I feel like I always used to just like, I just want you to be happy and I don't care if I'm happy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's, that's a bad thing. And I think that goes back to me as a as a kid, as a teen.

Speaker 2 Like, I just hope one day like a guy can see me as a girl or show me any attention, you know, and like see me as a normal person, not as a freak you know i think it goes back to that me just wanting to you know well he likes me so i'm gonna do anything for him and like completely forget that i have value as a person yeah i think that's so relatable, Kim.

Speaker 1 And like, I also love how you were like, oh my God, I should have gotten out earlier, but I'm so happy I did get out.

Speaker 1 I think so many times we're so hard on ourselves because when you're so deep in something, it's really hard to actually make the jump to envision life, even if it's toxic without that person because you've been living in it for so long.

Speaker 1 You have your routines. That still is the person that you're with all the time.
And like, you just become so attached to something that you almost forget, like, what life was like before them.

Speaker 1 And a lot of times it was so much better. Totally.
It's hard, but it's hard to get out.

Speaker 2 It's really hard, but it's like...

Speaker 2 You're going to live and it's going to be okay and you're going to figure it out again. You're going to get back into it.

Speaker 2 And honestly, life like on your own sometimes can be so much more like purposeful and fulfilling I feel like really I personally like thrive when I have like time by myself where I just literally do whatever it's like recharging and I think in general like I wish I would have done that in my relationship more

Speaker 2 and and yeah I mean

Speaker 2 I feel like relationships are the hardest thing to figure out they really are and so hard they're really really hard so really hard but right now I'm having fun and that's awesome and I feel like I'm just like finally like back at the place where I like love being alone and spending time by myself and where I just shut my door and just do whatever.

Speaker 1 Amazing. What is your perfect ideal first date?

Speaker 2 I don't think there is one. I really think that first dates are always going to be a little awkward.
And like I just like, you know, I feel like my

Speaker 2 first thing I do is probably try to drink because I'm so nervous. I get really, really nervous.

Speaker 2 And it's it's such an awkward thing when like you know that you like technically are attracted to each other, but like you have to like figure it out. Yeah, a little dance.

Speaker 2 But I feel like in general, just doing something like active, like going

Speaker 2 to like an arcade or going that fun stuff.

Speaker 1 Yes, doing something so you're not just sitting across the table being like,

Speaker 2 hello. Totally.

Speaker 2 How are you doing? Where you can actually do something.

Speaker 2 But I also like, I like when you show me like one of your favorite places that you actually

Speaker 2 love going. Instead of like, I want to try out this new place.
Like, just show me, like,

Speaker 2 where do you actually go?

Speaker 1 Are we, what are we doing, Kim? Are we fucking on the first date? Are we waiting? Like, do you have any rules in your head or do you just do whatever the fuck comes to you?

Speaker 2 I live in the moment. I've definitely done the first date, you know, fuck.
But I think it's,

Speaker 2 usually, when I do that, like, I'm then, like, not interested anymore. It's like, really? Yeah, I feel like it's just like, I need to like give it time.
And like, I need to be like obsessed with you.

Speaker 2 And like, you're, like, I need to let it simmer for a bit more, I realize now. Because, like, once I broke up, I would just like go home with like every single one of them every time.

Speaker 2 And it was really, really fun. I had a great time, you know?

Speaker 2 But I feel like when you, when you really give it time, it just makes it more special and cooler.

Speaker 1 I love how you're, I love, Kim's out here breaking everyone's hearts, like, gives them the best sex after date one. And then you literally are just ghosting everyone.

Speaker 1 You're like, no, you're like, I was happy, that was great, but I'm over it. On to the next.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I'm just like in the next city. Right, right, you're gone.
You're gone.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh my God.
That's actually. That's, I've never heard someone say that.
You get, you're over it once you have sex the first time and you're just like, oh, that's boring. Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, maybe it was just the guys. Maybe it was just a situation.
I don't like to like make a rule in general. Totally.
But I think just like the guys like I went home with, I was just like,

Speaker 2 I just needed like rebound attention totally and so I just like totally and then I was like so I get it growing up who was your celebrity crash um Legolas and Lord of the Rings like Kim that wig

Speaker 1 no Kim let me tell you something three

Speaker 1 three of the people that I like I'm like what's wrong with me number one Johnny Depp specifically as Captain Jack Sparrow yes okay number two Legolas orlando Bloom specifically as the elf in Lord of the Ranks.

Speaker 1 Hot. The hair and the ears and then Edward Cullen as vampire.
But I'm like, wait, what? Are we like weirdos that we're like specifically as an elf?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, specifically as an elf. Yeah, in the wig as that character.
It was so hot. I know.
It was so hot. Like, I, I, because I totally.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know. That was just like, I remember like, like, having a poster of him and, like, just being so obsessed with him.
And I will forever be obsessed with him. I'm going to be.

Speaker 1 Me too. But you must think.

Speaker 2 But just Legolas. Only Legolas.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 His name is Orlando Bloom. And I bet Orlando Bloom never thought like of all the roles that I've ever played, everyone in the world's like the hottest version of you.

Speaker 2 The hot elf, baby.

Speaker 1 Hot elf.

Speaker 2 Legolas.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not kidding if you guys have. Actually, I feel like if you don't have the context, like if you just Google him, you may all be like, you guys are freaks.
Watch the movie.

Speaker 1 Because the context is important. He's just so, like, I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 He's just great. His vibe is great.

Speaker 2 His vibe is

Speaker 2 so good. But he looks amazing.
Yeah. And he looks amazing.

Speaker 1 He looks stunning.

Speaker 1 I have to be honest, I really never thought that I would sit across from someone in my entire career and have someone say the same thing that I think of Legolas, Elf, Orlando Bloom.

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Speaker 2 And that's why we're unhinged. Here we go.
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Speaker 1 Let's go to slut pop. Okay, you've been mentioning it, but now we got to talk about it.
You coined the term slut pop to describe your music.

Speaker 1 Can you define slut pop for those who may become fans today?

Speaker 2 Yes. Um, slap pop is this really Euro house dance 90s-inspired uh EP.
And me and my friends would always make pop songs that were slightly slutty and say, Oh, it was slap pop.

Speaker 2 And so I just decided to go with it and make an EP and just be the most slutty version of myself that I could wish I could be in life.

Speaker 2 Uh, you know, but I feel like I'm too shy to be that all the time. Um, uh, So yeah, I just kind of let it all out on that one.
And

Speaker 2 a lot of people were really

Speaker 2 had interesting reactions to it. And I think it's the funnest thing in the world to scream out the most obscene shit and just be like, I'm a fucking slut.
Fuck me.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just, it's so freeing. Every time I do it, it's addicting.
And

Speaker 2 yeah, I recommend to check it out. It's just...

Speaker 1 What are some of your craziest lines? That if people haven't heard it, it's like give it give them a little

Speaker 2 okay um uh

Speaker 2 these bitches can't suck like me walk in on the sucking queen look around all eyes on me jack it off i'm a sucker clean the

Speaker 2 i'm the what's my name what's my name i'm the throat goat yeah yeah

Speaker 2 it is yeah it is poetic it's beautiful it's touching to me it's pure beauty you know if if if you art you know,

Speaker 2 you might not get it. You might get it.
But if you get it, you really get it. You're like a slut.
Little dirty bitch. I love to fuck.

Speaker 1 It's so good, Kim. Other than your own catalog, what's a song or an artist that you would also classify as like slut-pop?

Speaker 2 Oh, Britney Spears's Blackout Era. That

Speaker 2 is just the best. Oh.
So like dirty and

Speaker 2 full pot. Yeah,

Speaker 2 that was definitely a huge inspiration for that. I also think like Kylie Minogue has a bunch of songs that I would

Speaker 2 put on Slep Pop, dude.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about how you kind of said, like, people after Slep Pop, like, people were kind of intimidated by you because it's like you're coming in here being like, I am the throat goat.

Speaker 1 Like, I, like, and all this shit.

Speaker 1 When did you actually start to just become really confident about talking about sex?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 I think, in general, when I made that, I think I was just like in a phase of my life where I felt like I was like a little

Speaker 2 you know just not talking about that part of my life enough and I have so many friends and especially as a trans girl it's like that are sex workers I you know porn is great porn like sex work is work and it was a moment where OnlyFans was gonna ban sex workers from its platform which would have taken away like the livelihood of a lot of my friends and so I was like I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.

Speaker 2 And I think that like everybody needs to stop like villainizing sex workers because there's a there's a huge demand for it. We need it.
And there's nothing to be ashamed of. And

Speaker 2 I also always think, you know, if my life hadn't gone the way it did and I hadn't like been able to transition really early and stuff like that, I would have probably, you know, done that to be able to transition and to be able to be myself.

Speaker 2 So I wanted to take the shame out of it for my friends, for myself. And I think just in general, people need to be less afraid of it.
And I think especially women and girls,

Speaker 2 there's so much power in like loving sex. And like you should love it.
You should figure out what how, you know, what you like about it and not be, you know, please men. Like that's not the goal

Speaker 2 in sex. It's like you having a good time.
And so I'm just a huge supporter of that.

Speaker 1 And that's been something that's been hard for me to figure out, you know, because like I have always just been like crazy for guys and like how can i please him in any way and once i kind of broke out of that i was like it's about me too and yeah so i love also that i had actually someone recently asked me this reporter was like i back in the day of caller daddy came up with this thing called the Gluckluck 9000 and it was just like you know my go-to blowjob move and I remember this reporter being like you know so good it's so good it's so good and I remember the reporter being like you know if you're a feminist like then like, are you ashamed that you coined that term and that you were teaching young girls how to give blowjobs?

Speaker 1 And I was like, absolutely not. Because, of course, there are certain things in the past that I was like, probably way too appeasing of a man.

Speaker 1 But specifically with that, it's like, I just go to say, I love pleasing my partner.

Speaker 1 Like, that doesn't mean you can't be a feminist if you're like, I also love giving my fiancé head and like making him feel good. That's part of sex.

Speaker 1 And that gets me off by also making sure my partner is having a good fucking time.

Speaker 1 So it's like, we need to talk about the throat goat because as much as we're like, girls enjoy sex, it's also like you can also be down and pleasing your partner is also a part of enjoying sex.

Speaker 1 It's not just a one-off situation where you're just like by yourself. Well, you can do it by yourself.
But when you're with a partner, can you talk about the throat goat? Can you talk about...

Speaker 1 Give us some tips. Give us a couple little, you know, Kim, just give us like one little thing, maybe like a little,

Speaker 2 what are we doing? I pull out the bottle. Yeah, like amid a dope.
Yeah, you know. That was iconic.
What did she do?

Speaker 1 She went, she was like, you do this. And then she said, wear the Invisalign.

Speaker 2 And we're like, yes, wear Invisalign. I want to try that.
I know.

Speaker 1 I'm like calling my dentist. And I'm like, I've seen the bottom Invisalign.
They're like, bitch, your teeth are fine. I'm like, no, just the bottom.

Speaker 2 It's the funnest thing. Like, I love giving blow drops.
It's my favorite thing in the world. It's, I'm very, I pride myself in it.
And I think that's awesome. It's all on you.

Speaker 1 Like, you're center stage. It's your time to shine.

Speaker 2 It's literally your time to shine. And like, it's like watch me go eye contact like that's a very important one

Speaker 2 and I don't know it's just like a little sloppy I love when boys really like that you know and really

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 1 and I think it's again I just like that we're talking about it because it doesn't there's nothing wrong with enjoying and pleasing your partner no and I think sometimes to all you know the people out there it's like if you are intimidated by it, you have to just reframe the way that you're thinking about it.

Speaker 1 It's supposed to be fun. You're supposed to, it's playful, it's enjoyable.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And if you, if you don't enjoy it, that's fine too. You know,

Speaker 2 find the things that you really love. For me, I love giving giving heads.

Speaker 2 You know, and I

Speaker 2 call myself the throat coat and have been called that. Oh, oh,

Speaker 1 and that wasn't coined just by myself. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Goodbye.

Speaker 1 Would you you say you're more dominant or submissive in the bedroom?

Speaker 2 Um, I'm pretty subby. Yeah, I'm subby.
Love it. But, like,

Speaker 2 I gotta really, like, trust someone. And, like, if you really, like, like me to dom, I will do it.
Um, and uh, I like when someone can give me a really specific, like, this is what I like.

Speaker 2 Like, do this. Like, I love that.
And maybe that's why I'm subby. Because I just, like, I l like in those situations to be told what to do and just to like do that.
Love it.

Speaker 2 Um, but yeah, but also, I can't, I can be daunting. I feel like I swing both ways.
Love it.

Speaker 1 Love it. When you say, treat me like a slut, what do you actually want your partner to do, Kim?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 fuck me. Uh,

Speaker 2 um,

Speaker 2 I don't know, bend me over.

Speaker 2 I'm not opposed to a little choking,

Speaker 2 All that good stuff. Just put me into position and go.

Speaker 1 I love how you just push your glasses so I could, you're like, goodbye.

Speaker 2 I'm just, I'm not making eye contact with you right now.

Speaker 1 Bend me over, Poby Musician. Let's go.
That's good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, okay, good. Okay, good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I think in general, just like make me feel like you really want me bad and need me, you know, like

Speaker 2 that's the hottest thing you can do.

Speaker 1 Okay, on a

Speaker 1 just quickly on a little bit more serious note um you're like oh girl don't go out of nowhere yeah just out of nowhere

Speaker 2 in a car it's awesome

Speaker 2 yes maybe i should have like

Speaker 1 this is like a little too aggressive of a transition i just realized but no i love it okay

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Speaker 1 Obviously, everything that's going on with trans rights right now in America, I just felt like it wouldn't be right if I didn't ask you.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's disgusting what's happening, and we're clearly regressing.

Speaker 1 How are you handling the hateful backlash for, you know, with the trans community?

Speaker 2 I feel like I need to hold it up for all the

Speaker 2 young kids that are trans and getting,

Speaker 2 you know their rights taken away and all of that stuff that they're you know i i try to find the best causes to to help i try to stay in touch with all my trans friends and all of that but just in general i think it's brutal how people treat trans people it's just like everybody deserves to live their lives how they can you know and the the the way that they know how to get through life and i feel like the the judgment around it is still so intense and scary.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there's so much like actual like murder and things like that in the trans community that are really, really terrifying. And it's such a beautiful, beautiful community.

Speaker 2 And that's the one thing that I just like want people to know. Like the dolls have each other's backs.
Like we love each other.

Speaker 2 And I feel like there's so many trans friends of mine that like I couldn't live life without and that are such like beautiful lights. And

Speaker 2 just remember that and find the people who get you and who support you you and

Speaker 2 focus on that because I still get called a man every single day, you know, like and that's okay. It's funny to me at this point.
I'm like,

Speaker 2 I'm a man, you know, because like I'm

Speaker 2 yeah, because like I feel like I've been called like that since I was 12 and all of that. So to me, it's like

Speaker 2 brush it off at this point, but I know how like horrible that that situation can be.

Speaker 2 And there's just a very public like hate campaign on trans people right now that's disappointing and sad but there's also a lot of people who really care and who really are pushing and just know that like it's an up up and down swing with trans rights like it has been with gay rights like it has been with anyone who's different than the norm and uh it's it's gonna probably get better and swing back around at least that's what I hope.

Speaker 2 But in general, know that like there's amazing people out there who have all got your back and who think you're really beautiful and you deserve everything. You deserve love.

Speaker 2 You deserve to be seen to who you really, truly are. And don't settle for anything less.
I've done it and it sucks. And

Speaker 2 yeah, I love y'all. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Amen. Amen.
Amen. Let everyone live however they want to fucking live.

Speaker 2 I know. It's so annoying.

Speaker 1 It's just so crazy, like the progress we've made in some areas that we're still having these conversations and it's so infuriating to look at.

Speaker 2 I mean especially in America it goes with like

Speaker 2 you know birth control and things like that.

Speaker 2 It's the same exact kind of thing where there's just people trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies and it's wrong and no one ever should and it really like

Speaker 2 like makes it so much harder for people to just like live their lives and make their own decisions and it's just so annoying that our bodies are still being policed by people.

Speaker 1 And it's it's truly insane, but I do think it's we are so fortunate that we can sit here and you can use your music and I can use this show as a platform to just like keep talking about it. Totally.

Speaker 1 I hope anyone that it makes uncomfortable look inward as to why and like start doing the work. And I think everyone that is supporting, like keep supporting and be vocal and post on social media.

Speaker 1 And because I think it's so important that we just keep showing we aren't going going anywhere. Yeah, and everyone should just be able to do whatever the fuck they want.

Speaker 1 And we need to get on board with that.

Speaker 2 I know. It's really not that hard.
It really only is hard to people who

Speaker 2 need to control other people in life to get to be comfortable in life. Like, you need to be able to control your woman to live with your ego and shit.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, because you're too scared she's going to go in.

Speaker 1 You know, like it's all to maintain their power. Yes.
And it's like, have your power over there. Let us have have our power over here.
Fuck off.

Speaker 2 Totally.

Speaker 2 Like, oh, we, I mean, we could sit here for fucking hours and tell them that they can't bus anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 We're snipping you all. Okay.

Speaker 2 We're like, oh, no, no, no. Okay.
Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 You take away their nut. They're like, oh, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Literally.
Do do whatever you want. Never mind.
JK. JK.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Okay, you have a new album coming out.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 And I'm so excited for you. The album is called Feed the Beast.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 How did you come up with that?

Speaker 2 For me,

Speaker 2 it started with kind of Feed the Beat because I feel like I constantly need to listen to music and just do my thing over beats.

Speaker 2 Then it turned into Feed the Beast because I had an album leak and my label told me you got to get back in the studio, make new songs, and go Feed the Beast.

Speaker 2 And that was literally like, okay, let me think about this. And then I kind of thought about myself and like my personal ambitions.
And I've always wanted to really play the pop game.

Speaker 2 I've always wanted to make big pop songs and big melodies and be like a real player in the music industry and,

Speaker 2 you know, do big shows and all of that. And I was like, there was a part of me that was a little ashamed of that for a while.

Speaker 2 And I was like, but I'm like a gay club darling and like maybe that's just like all I want and all I all I want to be and I was like no like that my passion is to go for it so go feed the beast, go feed that.

Speaker 2 What I feel like almost ashamed of to want,

Speaker 2 go want that and own it. And don't be afraid of it.
And, you know, so I feel like for me, the album is a reminder, hopefully, to my fans to really find what it is that you can't live without.

Speaker 2 go all out on it and don't be afraid to take up space and don't be you know scared to make it as as massive as you want to make it and as ridiculous as you want to make it. And

Speaker 2 yeah, go feed that.

Speaker 1 Kim, how is the album different than past work that you've done?

Speaker 2 I think I just

Speaker 2 I think I just had like a shift creatively where I just like kind of was a bitch to my co-writes and took more control and was like I just really came in with like full songs fleshed out again kind of kind of like I did in the very beginning before people like wanted to work with me.

Speaker 2 I just came in with fully fleshed concepts and then just was like we're writing this and i feel like i really took control i worked with some people i've never worked with before um i like travel i like did a bunch in sweden i did a bunch in london uh so it really feels like that like major label really executed on a on the best level of my abilities and uh and i'm really grateful to my label for allowing me to do that and for allowing me to take the time to really make something that feels whole and complete and that feels um this exciting because i think you're gonna freak when you hear it i am so excited.

Speaker 1 Where is the perfect place to listen to this album? Like, are we doing it at the club? Are we working out? Are we having sex? Are we on the beach? Like, what's the vibe?

Speaker 2 In a car getting fucked.

Speaker 2 Literally.

Speaker 2 Literally.

Speaker 2 Yeah, all of those places. I think that's the funnest thing about this.
I think it has

Speaker 2 a lot of club moments, but it also does have a ballad,

Speaker 2 which is like kind of an unconventional ballad, which I'm excited for people to hear because, like, never really do that. Like, I'm very against ballots usually

Speaker 2 like I love like Celine Dion but I didn't think I could do that stuff right here she comes here I come uh but yeah I think you can really I think you can listen to it from front to back by yourself getting ready in the bathroom you can listen to it in the in the club you can all of that stuff so I think it's an overall

Speaker 2 listening thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm so excited for you.
And for

Speaker 1 this summer, are you going on tour?

Speaker 2 What are we doing? Yeah, not later this year, like a little after summer. And now this is going to be up.
But yeah, I'm going on tour.

Speaker 2 And I'm so, so excited to go on tour because it's been a freaking while and it's my favorite thing in the world. And like I missed it like nothing else in the world.
And so I'll just be traveling.

Speaker 2 I'm doing a bunch of really cool festivals like all over the world.

Speaker 2 Putting this tour together. I'm like in rehearsals a lot, which is like my happy place.
I love being with my dancers and just figuring out the show and the lighting and every detail.

Speaker 2 Lots of outfit changes. It's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna see the outfits.
Yes. I am so happy I got to sit down with you today.
I've been wanting to do this for so long and you are like.

Speaker 2 I listen to you all the time. So it's been an honor to be here.

Speaker 1 Thank you. No, like you truly have such an energy about you that you're so calm and a vibe and like but you're like everything.

Speaker 1 It's just so fun to be able to like sit with you and actually get to know your personality because you are so so sweet and funny and amazing.

Speaker 1 And I just, I can't wait to see what you do with your career. This is amazing.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Thank you for coming. You're the best.
Thank you. Daddy girl.

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