CSB328: I LIKE BEDMAN feat. Mori Calliope

Hello.

Welcome.

Also, welcome, Deadbeats.

Yes.

Hey,

we are joined today by Calliope Maury.

How you doing?

Hello.

Hi, everybody.

I guess I should introduce myself.

Hi, everybody.

Maury Calliope here from Hololive English Myth First Generation of of Hololive's English branch.

I am a VTuber.

I am a virtual singer.

I am a gamer.

Hi.

If you don't know me, now you do.

Hope that we can all get along and have lots of fun.

I am honored to be here with two people that honestly, I have been watching for many years and y'all's voices accompanied me through many, many all-nighters trying to draw comics in high school and college.

So thank you so much for having me.

I'm just honored to be here.

Yeah, no.

feel the age pat feel the age

let it it's real pat just let it turn to dust yep oh it's real bad thank you so much

in a in a in a in a papoose and i have the the toddler but that oh that makes me feel old hey before we go any further buddy i gotta ask uh i'm gonna just

get this right out of the way do you prefer maury callie what

um so uh my friends call me Callie.

I call myself Maury.

So you can go with Callie.

I mean,

if you're just cool with that.

Yeah.

You know, sometimes people say Maury Calliope.

Yeah.

That's kind of long.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I'm happy to be here.

Thank you so much for that.

You know, you're a gamer with a capital G.

You've underlined it.

I heard it.

I heard it.

Yep.

What I do.

I mean, I wasn't a gamer before I got into Holo, but now I'm a certified gamer.

Really?

What I do.

Pro, quote unquote, I I will say there was definitely some growing pains for me um when I started off I was definitely I had the reputation of being the least gamer out of everyone in my generation um because I was more focused on like other activities I guess like you know singing karaoke stuff like that but no now I'm a certified gamer thanks to my fans who have really helped me channel the gamer energy I guess thank you so much everyone oh yeah you

know who you are I mean you jump in a Guilty Gear lobby and you'll become one real quick

Oh, yeah.

I think I've won maybe one fight against all of my fans.

Let's go.

A single fussy.

They take it easy on you, even a little?

No, absolutely not.

They want me to learn.

Well, that's

that's basically my record, you know.

I mean, we're out here.

We're doing it.

Bro, you're gonna have to learn.

You're gonna have to learn to let...

to let the child win a little.

Like at the start.

At the start.

Just to get that little breadcrumb going, right?

Yeah, or else she'll stop playing.

Sorry, Deadbeats.

Sorry, I don't play Strive anymore.

Shoot.

FYI.

You can't let me win enough.

Dead Beats is a pretty sick name for a fan base.

That's pretty cool.

I really like it.

I was talking about that last night.

And it just makes me remember how terrible when

I'm never going to not throw you under that bus.

When back with Super Best Friends, this fucking guy was like, oh, we need to come up with a name for the fan base.

What about Frienders?

Do you know know why I said that, Wooly?

Do you remember?

Because of Casher and his dog, Frienders.

Stupid dog.

Frienders is the worst.

It's the worst name for fans ever.

Stop.

Okay, you were ahead of your time, though.

I feel like the fan base naming thing is kind of more on the recent side in the past like six years or so.

You were ahead of your time.

It's real, though.

I mean,

it didn't work.

It didn't stick.

Nah.

And to this day, we're still trying to seek one out.

I don't know, beasters.

I just called the people who show up in my chat early on just like a bunch of names.

Yeah.

A bunch of names.

Okay.

Like

I had a really awkward interaction where

I was doing a co-stream with Ashley Rovato, who is a wonderful angel.

She's just one of those sunny, wonderful people that's just always positive.

And so, you know,

you hang out with one of those people and then you become more positive.

Yeah.

And And then I'm like, okay, bye, Ashley.

And

we cut the call, but I'm still live.

And

I wasn't paying attention and didn't realize that she had raided me during this time.

And as soon as I clicked that

end call button, I started just going, oh, thank God.

I can go back to my usual complete garbage.

This orb for goblin piece of shit.

And just started cussing out my chat for like 10 minutes.

Only for them to tell me, like, hey, everyone from Ashley's stream is in here, bro.

Like, we can see you.

The jig's up.

God.

Oh, man.

That's freaking hilarious.

How did you land?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you landed on Dead Beats, but that's.

Yeah, I mean, I'm the Grim Reaper.

Yeah, that's it.

I mean, it's going to happen.

I love music.

And beats.

There you go, right?

And they're my skeleton army.

I have the coolest fan base because they're just an army of skeletons.

Hell yeah.

Couldn't be better.

Couldn't be better than that.

For a while, I was liking, I don't know, Pat, I think I tried to, I was was pushing the lords and ladies of Castle Super Beast.

That's kind of cute.

But it's too long, but

it doesn't have

that quick grab to it.

That's what you mean.

But yeah, okay.

So

first off, how tired are we?

Like,

eye bag checks.

How's it going?

Oh, God.

Kelly, let's start with you.

What are you up to and how exhausted are you going to do this show?

Well, right off the bat, I made the great, excellent decision to go to California to attend anime expo just for fun.

People are all like, my producers are like, oh yeah, are you going to

do something like a side thing or like a side show or something?

I'm like, no, I'm just going to hang out.

It's a little embarrassing to admit, you know, but I just felt like, I don't know, I want to hang out with some friends I haven't talked to in a while.

And, you know, one of my friends had like a bunch of panels happening here wanted to go hang out with her and her crew and like you know show them around if I could and it was a good time but you know I'm ready to I'm ready to go home I have really bad jet lag yeah every time that I come back to America it sucks so bad so you're in the US right now I am you're doing the podcast on your trip well yes so that's why I'm doing that's what I'm supposed to relax well that's why I was saying like yo thank you so much because it's like otherwise we would be doing the triple time zone like trifecta which is absolute chaos.

So instead,

it's not that bad.

Because you're on the west coast, it's not that bad.

Well, somebody has to die.

That's like, like.

Someone has to.

Someone,

yeah, someone's in a horrible time zone that has to die.

And I guess it would be me.

In this case, you know, it happens to work out.

But,

you know.

You can handle it.

I mean, but you're jet lagged, so super appreciate it.

Oh, yeah, no problem.

I mean, honestly, I'm cool with time zones.

Back in the day, I did like, I ran like a TTRPG with some of the other girls in my generation, and I was DMing, and I was the one that said, well, I'm the only ones in Japan, so getting up at 6 a.m., here I go, no problems.

All good.

Okay, okay.

So exciting.

Yeah, word on the street is, you got no chill, you just go.

Yep.

I can't relax.

It's fun.

It's fun.

Working is fun for me.

I love being a content creator.

It's like the best blessing of my life.

I'm just happy to be here.

And that's it.

I was literally having this exact conversation eight, no, nine hours ago.

Oh, yeah.

Because I streamed every single day this week.

And then Paige,

Peached Alive, and my wife, my wonderful darling wife, amazing lady,

was playing New Vegas.

And I'm like, oh, can I play the Symbest Stranding 2 afterwards?

Can I?

She's like, it's your only day off.

I'm like, I don't really care about that.

So I started streaming at 10 p.m.

And I'm like, well, I got a big day tomorrow.

I can't go too long.

You know,

I got a podcast.

I got things to do.

I got chores.

And I usually am the one who wakes up in the morning to

take care of the baby when he wakes up at 7 in the morning.

And then at 2 in the morning, 203 in the morning, I got raided with a massive raid as a form of like fellow streamer violence.

Oh, yeah.

That 2 a.m.

raid.

You got it.

The East Coast raided me at 2.03 a.m.

Oh, you can't stop now, baby.

You got to keep it going.

You got to keep streaming.

Oh,

I'm streaming to six times the numbers I was at 2 a.m.

Cool.

Let's throw another 45 minutes on this.

I'm getting texts from the wife going, where are you?

What are you doing?

I'm working.

My job.

My job.

What do you think I'm doing?

Yeah, I'm creating value.

Raids can be violence.

Oh, yeah.

100%.

I mean, they just implemented them into YouTube.

I say that, but they've been doing it for like a year and a half.

Honestly, one of my favorite things.

Just favor things they've put in there.

I mean, like, so, yeah, we're, we, we're trying to burn the candle at both ends, and for the most part already.

And now, as I was mentioning, like, I'm about to try to take notes from Pat over here.

I'm about to introduce a child into the situation, and I don't know how that's going to affect things, but

my notes aren't good for you, though.

Well, no, well, I mean, the thing is, I was already saying I'm a night person, right?

I stay up late.

I have a horrible night schedule, and um i was on the verge of fixing that but now it's like no wait don't fix it too soon we might need that

yeah

right stay in this unhealthy zone and like take the night shift right just for now it'll be it'll be take advantage of that yeah um i'm i'm afraid

my notes don't work for you right because my note is like you know what you should do stream while your wife's in labor ah

right That's what you should do.

So the reveal the other day that, like, she was like, nah, dude, go stream.

And.

Oh, yeah, she made me leave.

She was going to ask the nurses to like remove me because I had like a sponsored game.

Callie.

You can go.

She's like, get out of here and go make some money.

Callie with his baby.

It's crazy.

You can see his face just like acting like he's like, I'm just reacting to the game.

And it's like, my wife is giving birth right now, Faith.

It's psychotic.

It's fucking crazy.

It was not a content.

No, it's that's content is what it is.

Yeah.

I want to go see that.

So, what the heck?

I mean, Pat, we were chatting a little bit earlier and like the whole thing about like, oh, so we've been, we started doing this shit, sticking a camera at the TV, no, no actual faces, old USB garbage.

Iconic, though.

Absolute garbage, right?

I was, you know, when we, when the mic switched over to these from USB, people were like, what the fuck, go back to the uglier mics.

I can't handle this, right?

The whole like, what do you even go into the future?

How do you do this into the later years?

I don't, we don't know what this looks like, Callie.

We don't know how you age and stream and baby.

Like, this is uncharted territory, you know?

Oh my God, that's crazy.

Well, Callie gets to dodge at least one of those because you're not age.

I can tell.

I'll never age.

This is true.

I mean, I'm the Grim Reaper.

Yeah.

It doesn't work like that for me.

I could just be like this forever.

I'm very lucky that I have it that that way.

But I will say, you know, you bring up a really good point, and this is something that I know wanted to mention during this podcast here, but you guys, you guys give me hope.

Like, it sounds like it's like a backhanded compliment, but let me explain why.

No, no, no, no, no.

Don't say that.

Oh, don't do that.

Yo, yo, give me a second to flap myself here, okay?

Give me a sec.

Look, look, about a year ago, I got into this really existential phase where I was like, it's so over for me in two years.

I can keep this up for about two more years, and then

it's back to Walmart for me.

It's back to

waitress, waitress job, awesome waitress job I used to have.

That's what it's going to be because that's how content creation is.

But then I think about you guys.

Y'all are still here.

But if you chuckle fucks can keep the wagon wheels spinning,

somehow.

Like, hey, look, look at these guys.

Somehow.

They get their jobs and they managed to take their livelihood.

Half the people here are like, they're still alive?

What?

I got that yesterday.

Every day.

I got that last night.

Someone was like, bro, what really happened to you?

That?

I've been streaming unbroken for 12 years.

Oh, my God.

Oh, I fucking this.

What do you mean what happened to you?

Yeah.

I got older and fatter and balder.

Oh, For the record, I've been checking in.

I would see something that you guys said, or like a video that you guys put out there, and I'd just smile and be like, oh man, they're still out there doing cool shit.

We're fucking hopeful.

Maybe there is hope.

Maybe there is hope.

We're cooked, bro.

We're cooked beyond cooked.

It's over.

It's done.

This is like the new generation is like the new, the, the, the, the,

I don't know.

Yeah, try.

The anime generation from the future is going, look, look.

Oh, Grandpa's

yet.

Still doing it.

Still here.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

Well, so, look, we'll get into how we interface with the new generation, but.

Oh, yeah, I'm super curious about that.

But like,

have you been, Callie?

Have you been playing anything recently or checking anything out?

Is there any media that's

top of mind?

Oh, my God.

I had a couple of notes that I made here.

Like, I was making some memos, but I realized the games that I've gotten into,

it's really kind of sad when I go and scroll through my channel.

I'm like, all right, what have we been playing?

Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon again for six hours.

Night Rain Pokemon, Night Rain, Night Rain, Pokemon.

Doom the Dark Ages.

Okay.

Pokemon.

Night Rain Pokemon.

And I'm thinking to myself, did I not like Doom the Dark Ages?

Have I only played it once and I kept going into my other loop of games?

I'll get to it eventually, but

yeah, I'm just kind kind of like, when I wake up in the morning, I'm like, what do I want to play?

Doom the Dark Ages?

Oh, maybe there's Pokemon again.

I had that exact feeling.

It wasn't with Pokemon.

It was just like, I don't really want to keep playing Doom the Dark Ages.

The shield looks cool.

But yeah, that's cool.

The shield was the best part of that game.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like it, but I just like the others a lot more, I think, is how I'm feeling.

I'll give it another shot, but

how's your Night Rain?

Oh, yeah.

Night Rain is good for me.

We'll talk about

the Dark Age.

Because I do want to ask you guys' honest opinion about it, but for Night Rain, that's another one I wanted to chat with you guys about because I'm really liking it a lot.

I know it got a lot of flack in the beginning, but I'm genuinely like, I'm having a good time.

I haven't beaten the last boss yet, but it's gotten to a point where I'm like, all right, I'm playing with Deadbeats.

I can't really judge how actually good I am at this game because those guys are kind of cracked.

Annihilating, right, right.

If y'all are gonna carry me through the game

i'll let you carry me through the game and let's just enjoy playing together i guess but i like it it's funny that that was my opposite feeling about that oh yeah when when i was playing with with people in chat and when i was playing i was playing with uh with gene over at washington post gene park i love you and i was running into this issue where i'm like i'm a terrible co-op partner because I'm the kind of person who either wants to completely dictate everything that you do and I want you to be a robot that follows my commands or I'm going to get really emotional when I either screw up or I see you screw up.

I'm going to just, I'm just going to like build it inside and cause you to be this.

FF-14 player, by the way.

Could you tell?

I can tell just from that description.

That's a different conversation.

When they rebalance the game for solo play, it's just been something that I've been picking away at because it's like, if I screw up, I go, oh, darn, I died.

I don't have this like pit in my stomach of like, I let everyone down.

Oh, my God.

Yep.

I just, I can't deal with it.

What I like about it is how it scratches the unique itch of, like, I want to, I want some souls, but I want some pocket arcade souls.

Like, I just want a quick hour and a half of it, you know, in a like, it's, it's, it's, it scratches a different itch, you know, when I kind of am in the mood for like a quick game, sometimes I'll, I'll find, uh, well, yeah, it's a great time to load up a fighter or like load up something a little more you know jump in and jump out and like usually a souls game, you know or like an Elden Ring, you're popping it in for the long haul and this kind of fits into another space where I usually wouldn't think about a souls game, you know?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Definitely.

I mean, I definitely like that.

I like that it was you just you can start completely over from the beginning again, and it's just, it's whatever.

I don't have to worry too much.

You have your relics, but that's about it.

You know, I like that.

You know, it was my first time getting into that kind of game.

And like, God forbid I try a game like Fortnite or something like that.

I know a lot of people with the Fortnite comparisons.

I've played Fortnite once in my life.

That's one.

That's one more Fortnite.

That's one more.

That's one more than me.

That's one more than me, Callie.

Like,

you know, I'll tell you what.

Like, I was playing Fortnite in duos with Susie, and we were running people over and getting victory royales.

It's super easy because you are playing against children.

You are super milk drinking babies children.

Yeah.

True easy.

Teach them their place.

Like, yeah, yeah, you'll roll up.

You know, you'll get rolled a couple times because, you know, you'll deal with like other adults.

But like, with a hundred people in the match, you're going to run into that 99 grade school match.

And because we're adults, you steamroll them and then you get to dance on top of the kids.

But it's awesome.

Great.

But also,

but also, those kids are stomping on you too because, like I said before, I've seen my little nieces and nephews absolutely wrecking shop online when they

adapt faster than we have.

The new generation is terrifying, dude.

Pretty scary.

Yeah, when it comes to games.

That's why I kind of have a hard time with PvP in particular, and like, especially a Battle Royale game.

I kind of prefer to just take things at my own pace or play games with like my friends, I guess, at this point, because people are so people are so good at games.

I've only just recently become, quote-unquote, a gamer, but no matter what, I feel like people are just, people are so fucking good at games.

You're sweating, man.

There's sweats all over the place.

And, you know, and the only way I can, I can cope and huff the copium is by just going, okay, well, they're really good at that because they're not good at something else.

Oh.

Oh, man.

So dedicated.

Okay, well, if I can,

there's something that I think I might be good at that I played this week.

And I think we've got.

Well, wait, first of all, before we even,

we never asked you, how tired are you, Woolly?

Oh.

Oh, that's a good one.

Yeah, so

I am

like parent-to-be set up tired.

There is a, you know, I'm still able to get like, for the most part, the regular sleep pattern, but there's a whole lot of stuff going on behind the scenes and unpacking of things and setting up items and figuring out how they work uh last week i was describing the uh the the process of installing a car seat in the back of a car is you're you're battling the car seat like like Callie, like the amount of pressure you have to put onto the thing before you strap it in is like,

I'm full-on sweating.

Like, I've soaked my shirt through.

And on top of that, it's like,

it's just the safety of your your babies.

That's what I'm saying, right?

I'm like, god damn it, this sucks.

And then I'm like, but if I don't do it perfectly,

you know, this is knowledge you're going to need for a grand total of maybe four years, Max.

Oh,

well, I mean, as I've been learning

the policies and everything, you are supposed to use your car seat from zero to nine years old.

What?

That's not what happened with me.

So, okay, it's not what happened with me.

No, neither I.

Guess what?

Guess what, Willie?

You're a pretty tall guy.

You are going to probably, and your wife is a pretty tall lady,

super tall, right?

I am not those things, and neither is Paige, right?

So, not only is there the age requirements, but there's also the height requirements and weight.

And we're looking at the car seat/slash booster stuff, and it's like, my child cannot be in fourth grade on a booster seat.

Like,

he's short, but like, I will not do that to him.

That is, that is screwed up to do.

Here, here, little man, we're going to drop you off in your booster seat in grade four.

Holy shit.

Apparently, apparently, there's a weight

that you can see.

And, like, if a kid's this big, then you don't need to use that.

But the official thing says zero to nine.

And I'm like, that's nine seems crazy, but it's, it's there, you know?

It's for safety.

Yeah.

Just look at us over here.

Just a couple of dads, you know, just

dad casting.

Dad cast.

And we're glad he's here.

Now it's three dads.

There you were.

There's three.

We're triple dadcasting.

I was able to ask you this when we were in the pre-show when we were setting up, but I was like, no, we have to save it.

Where did the dad thing come from?

Everybody asks that.

I feel like it's become one of those things where, like, is a joke that most, all of my community is cool with, but I feel like there's definitely a sub-sect that is like, they hate the dad thing.

And you know what?

I get it.

It's fine.

But the difference is, that's a joke that I like.

That's a joke that I am 100% behind.

Basically, what happened was, and it was like the first year of my career or so, I was reading a manga called My Dad is the Queen of All VTubers, and it was about this kid whose dad was like living a double life as the most popular VTuber on the planet, using a voice changer and everything to be like, you know, cute anime woman on the internet.

And he's like, number one, this is kid's dad.

And so everybody in chat was calling me dad because, you know, I'm a VTuber.

But then as time went on, people started being like, wait a minute.

You like fishing you like barbecuing that'll do it you're talking to us with like these these really wise heart-to-hearts like late at night with all these like i don't know dad-isms and and dad words like dad like advice people are like you're dad and and now that i have so many like you know new people that have joined uh that have joined my group as well that you know come and ask for advice and stuff like that i basically watch over everyone and because i i was i was the first one to debut in all of all of Hololive English as an English, primarily English-speaking vs.

Yeah, that

was me.

I was the first one, and I feel the responsibility of, all right, I got to look out for these guys.

That's how I became dad.

Hell yeah.

You know, as a follow-up to what you were saying earlier about us giving you hope for the future, I remember there were two times in my career that this happened, and this was the second one, where I saw your debut and I saw how slick and cool it was and how good it you were right away and I was staring at this and going I am fucking cooked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is

like

looking at the future and I am cooked.

Oh yeah.

No, that arc that hit him and like my version of it was like flailing to make my own little 3D version of myself and I got a little model going and yeah,

all panic, all panic over here.

We were looking at the future and just going, yeah, or adapt or die, old man.

And it's like, well, I can't adapt to this.

It's not, I've been a meat man for too long.

Understandable.

Flesh tube.

Flesh tuber is the term.

Flesh tube in.

You have to fit with the times.

It's fine.

You know, I go through that in my own way.

It's not quite the same, but there are some trends and things that, you know, quote unquote, ways to stay relevant, et cetera, that I'm just like, well, then I'm cooked because I won't do that.

I won't do it.

You know, TikTok memes and dances, I can't, I can't get into it.

Just a little too, a little too late for me.

No, I imagine there will be

a few generations of just getting hit with new shit you don't understand.

And even your even your timeless model will find a way to...

Lines and just

dentures will show up out of nowhere and just, oh, saving private Ryan Giff.

The way that that actually happens is what will happen is I will be stiff compared to other VTubers.

That's already how it is.

By the way, rigging and modeling is already so much more advanced.

As somebody who's in a corporation, there are some really wonderful benefits.

But one of the things is we all got to kind of stay on the same wavelength, and there are a lot of us.

And so all of us kind of need to stay the same quality.

Whereas somebody who's independent can be like, all right, well, I'm going to go ahead and get the best rigging possible because I am just me and there's not 60 other talents that need to be updated, you know.

So, right.

Future is now.

I'm aging in my own way.

I feel so old because you're talking about, oh, the TikTok trends, I don't know.

And I was gonna make a Tide Pod joke until I realized that that shit is like

that is.

Okay, but I do remember that.

Yeah,

that is wildly old at this point.

Fuck.

Yeah, now that you say it.

That is pretty old.

Okay, so

in our struggle to remain relevant, then, like, a little bit of

what we got up to this week.

This week,

I tried, and I noticed that, Pat, we're going to overlap on quite a few of these topics.

Oh, I'm certain we are.

We jumped the fuck in on Uma Musume, Pretty Derby.

And how do you feel about Umamusume, Callie?

Horse women?

I mean, I'm playing it after this podcast for the first time.

I didn't.

I didn't want to admit I was going to do it.

The thumbnail just says game on it.

It's just a picture of my face, and I'm like, I'm going to play the game.

Right.

People in chat are like, the game?

I'm like, I don't want to say it.

I don't want to say that I'm playing Umamamusume, but I'm playing Umamusume.

It's fucking happening.

It's happening.

Oh, man.

Surprise.

Surprise, I'm playing Umamusume.

So it's a little out of the wheelhouse of what's usual over on my side of things, you know.

I can imagine.

So

in the gacha sense, initially, you know, but yeah, upon closer inspection,

I don't know.

You go through the onboarding process, you meet some horse girls, and then on my first fucking role, I gain

Emperor Simboli Rudolph.

And then on my second one, I get the banner character, and I'm like, I guess I'm just fucking sick.

I guess I'm kind of in.

You got three rainbow pulls.

I got three rainbow pulls immediately, and I was like, what?

I don't know if someone's watching and like hitting the streamer button or something, but like, that'll do well for getting someone into something is just hitting the endorphins.

That was your built-up luck from not playing Gatcha Games.

Right.

I got Rudolph, I got uh Matuzenski, and then I got Mihono Bourbon, the banner character, all one after the other, and just watched the entire chat like take a humongous dump and lose their minds.

And I'm like, yeah, let's fucking go.

So you're in now is what you're saying.

I mean, look, I took Rudolph, and

that's a horse girl that is trying to be the emperor of all horse girls.

And she's got the uniform, and more importantly, she's got the ambition, you know?

And uh i'm a fan there's a couple characters in anime that like have ambition i like a character with ambition you know um

there's uh you know you got your your your legend of the galactic heroes it's just one of my favorite animes and you know i anyone that can look up to the sky and kind of dream of conquest you know in one way is like okay i'm listening but unless you're griffith

yeah is griffith relatable that guy's a little different is griff hold on a minute is griffith relatable is that

i don't know i'm not saying that he is or anything i'm not saying that he had a point or that he was right at any time, but like, I don't know.

I'm no, trust me, I'm no grip with apologists or anything, but I think he's a very interesting character.

There's,

there's some extra, there's some, well, he's multifaceted.

He's complex.

Hmm.

And, and, yeah, and so, like, uh, Rudolph is just talking about, like, you know, do you have, do you put your faith in her to, you know, to lead the horse girls?

And I'm like, let's go.

And if her speed is fast enough to win and win the hearts of everyone over, I'm on board.

I'm super down.

Heck yeah.

And then I would say, too, that, like, in addition to getting suckered in with the, you know, the insane luck off of

the three pulls, there's also the really cool fact about it that actually changes the whole thing around where it's like,

these horses are named after real race horses.

That's crazy.

I didn't know.

Oh, they go much further than that, Woolly.

Do you know how much they're based off of real horses?

How so?

So, I, one of the first polls that I got with the starter pack, I got Heru, uh, Heru Urura, um, who is like a dumb fail horse.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the dropkicker.

I've seen that one going on.

And Chad starts to explain to me that this horse is the biggest loser that has ever existed in the Japanese sport of horse racing.

No wins, 113 losses, zero wins.

Right.

And so, her entire storyline is not about getting wins.

Her storyline is about getting enough fans to be allowed to race.

Maybe place.

Not the dropkick girl, right?

The girl who's trying her best.

Yes, yes, yes.

That's incredible.

Gold chip is the one that kicks you in the face, I think.

Yeah.

Okay.

Gold chip is the one based off of an actually insane horse.

Yeah, I keep getting recommended videos of like the real gold chip in my recommendations.

I'm like, I didn't ask for this why

by describing horse game you asked you have opted in asked for this behavior I've opted in I uh no I saw I'm in I saw the side-by-sides of like you know the real horse expressions and then you know the horse girl versions instead and it's like okay this is going deeper than I thought that's pretty sick you know

awesome yeah um and then I saw Japanese people love horse racing you know they're intense about it.

They're serious business.

Oh, yeah.

So

I took a gander at somebody posting a clip of like some famous horse race from decades ago, and then the side-by-side clip of the anime where they have had every single horse in its proper position, every pass throughout the track at its correct time,

the specific lane changes, accuracy, down to the correct

TV broadcast.

Wow.

And I'm watching this.

I'm like, okay, this

is made by horse racing addicts.

Like, this is, these people are absolutely, sincerely, lovingly addicted to horse racing.

You got to respect the dedication.

Yeah.

Also, like, I see like a horse like vodka shows up, and like, her name's Vodka, and she's got the cool hair swoop.

And I'm like, yeah, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That'll do.

Cool.

You know?

I want to see now, like,

horse girl versions of like Pie O Mai from the Sopranos, you know.

Or like, I don't remember from like Seinfeld, but like his fodder was a mutter, his mutter was a mutter, you know, like I want to see like other famous horses getting their way into this world.

Well, there are tons of famous horses coming.

However, they are all known if you're playing it in English.

Okay.

Because the game is four years behind.

Yes.

So if you want to look up what horsies are on their way,

here they come.

I was talking to my chat.

I want Bucephalus and Red Mare as like two of the most famous horses to ever exist.

They're race horses.

I don't know them.

Well, Bucephalus is Alexander the Great's horse.

Oh, okay.

Red Mare is Lugu's horse.

Okay.

Oh, so if we're getting into fiction, okay, well, then we can get Shadow Facts going, right?

Why not?

Gandalf's horse, Shadow Facts.

We can get a Pona up in there.

They'll run out of horses.

Oh, yeah.

They're going to run out.

They're going to run out.

They're going to have to branch out.

Kokuo from Fist of the North Star.

I said, Aren't they gonna run out of horses?

To which I was informed that there are like thousands of horses every single year, and the institutionalized horse racing is going back decades.

So, no, they're never gonna run out of horses.

Okay,

but Callie, you know what you're in for?

You've you've you've you've no, I'm just something you've scouted the like the nature of this like addiction that is about to hit.

So,

I mean, I was first introduced to all of it when we were taking taking our road trip.

We were doing a vacation in Thailand and we were like just doing a road trip and the van was driving us through the countryside and everyone just stops talking at the same time.

Because I'm taking a nap and I notice everyone stops talking.

And I look and everyone else in the van has, they're now downloading Umabusu.

Right.

And once it's downloaded,

the van just erupts in conversations about horse girls.

Check this out.

Look who I pulled, etc.

Just exclaim.

I'm like, I don't know what's going on here.

Maybe I should just put my headphones in and ignore it.

But I kept listening.

And then I got struck by FOMO.

And I was like, I can't, I can't not be a part of this.

Let me be a part of the club.

Woolly,

you downloaded this because

Foxcade made you, right?

Yes.

So I did a stream where Foxcade was a guest and Fox Cade was like, yeah, now we're doing it.

And I'm like, all right.

That's how it goes.

Let's go.

Of course you do.

That's what they do.

Also, holy shit.

Concept in the ether.

Yeah.

Umamusume cross steelball run.

There's some horses on the way that we're all about to fall in love with that JoJo fans might not know they're about to fall in love with yet.

Come on.

Come on.

That goes hard.

That goes hard.

I had a completely different reaction.

played the horsey game and I enjoyed it.

I think the spell is broken because I got, I was like, oh, there's only two days left to do the event.

Oh, I got to grind this out.

And then I sat there and I was like, what am I doing?

I should help my son color this book.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

But

I was looking at this and like, if this was, if they had this exact same game, like identical, identical.

Even Cute Anime Girls, like the whole nine yards, but it was about Kay Fabe pro wrestling.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's the biggest mark in this forever.

My wallet is gone.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Especially if you hang out with them backstage and like do like training things.

Up your social links.

Right.

Listen, listen, listen, listen.

You did a risky match and your quad is torn.

So you have a 50% chance of failing

your next bicep curve.

Joshi are you going to do it or are you gonna rest up Joshi Pro

you're not gonna get the money and you're gonna have to sleep in your car yeah no Joshi Pro style wrestling like uh roles and just having them come out on a giant ramp doing their big intros as you reveal you know which wrestler you got and what SSR they yeah this is that's crazy that's awesome that's dangerously addictive

so the reason I hopped on is because everyone I like my whole my whole timeline just be exploded with it was the same thing as with you Kelly is like I'm sitting around, and then all of a sudden, just ah, horsey game.

Like, every single person I know is

even Woolly.

Even Woolly is playing a gatch of horse game.

What is going on?

And

lest we forget, the prize for winning is you perform, right?

Center stage.

They're idols.

Yes.

I'm obsessed with that.

There's two parts to every story.

Yeah.

Of course.

And they're all friends.

It's all good sportsmen.

Like, you know, there's, there's no, there's no, um, there's no resentment.

But like, there's, but there's little parts of like the routine where like, um, at what point, um,

God, the name just slips me, but like, she won when she's center stage, but then like the other two kind of like come in front and they're more prominent initially.

She's like, no, wait, hold on.

I want front stage.

And, you know, there's like that little angle of it of like, okay, you can be good at one side, but you can race, but then you have to get your confidence up to perform.

And there's, there's all, it's multifaceted.

so much emotional and like I relate I relate to that as well being an idol and and performing in that same way with you know me and my girls and stuff like that and the connection that we have and and such so so it got me really invested seeing all of that I was like hey I actually really like this and relate to this so I'm excited to try it out well you got one side of the the the skill down now when are you gonna hit the racetrack

oh yeah we don't race

we're too busy streaming we're too busy gaming if it was gaming that would be different but well I guess we could go up against each other.

That game has PvP, yeah?

It does.

But it's like asynchronous, like

just record-based.

I see.

It's a little different.

Okay, okay.

Let me ask both of you a question.

So the reason I hopped on was one, everyone went nuts.

And two,

I'm scrolling past like a hundred horse game posts, and it's like fan art, fan art, fan art, stat screen

cute character moment fan and like what's the game yeah and like what's the gameplay loop is what i'm saying and i'm asking people and they're like

you tell the horse girls how to race better i'm like okay but when do you play it

and i i couldn't yeah get there i like i it would not click so i have to know i have to know And now that I've done it, I'm like, oh, you're micro gambling to increase your stats to macro gamble.

And in order to have a horse that you like to micro and macro gamble, you need to ultra-gamble

your polls.

And in the meantime, you have conversations with them and you deepen your relationship, which increases their stats.

Well, yeah, it's a visual novel.

Very charming.

Exactly.

And then when they, you know, when they're ready to retire, they pass on the legacy, the will towards the future, you know, and the next one comes along.

So you you have the whole stable literal stable by the way you know

um yeah i love that no this is this that like they they also it helps too that like it looks really really good like

oh yeah absolutely polished um

no my my friend uh reggie who i stream with was like like nobody asked him to but he's like okay so i installed it on my phone and it it took like 10 gigs so i had to clear a bunch of photos and videos and memories i'm just like well

these are your new memories now.

This is your new family.

Yeah.

So, yeah, that was one thing that

we got up to this week.

And like, we'll see how it goes for you after this.

The other thing.

When are you going to be doing that, Kelly?

I'm playing for the first time as soon as the podcast is over.

That's the stream I'm doing today.

Oh, literally as soon as.

Okay, wow.

Yeah, yeah, as soon as.

Can't stop watching.

Whenever we're done shooting the shit.

Can't stop, won't stop.

I'm gaming.

Honestly,

I prefer to stream every day if I can, but you know, Anime Expo kind of didn't really have the chance to, so I'm like, all right, back to it.

Get back into it.

So

the other thing that I checked out, and I believe you did as well,

was Yu-Gi-Oh!

Master Duel?

You could say I checked that out.

Yeah.

That's accurate.

Callie, have you got any Yu-Gi-Oh, anything?

I mean, so

what I know about that game, a lot of my friends were sponsored to play it.

I was also going to play it, but schedule didn't work out, so kind of, I don't know, wasn't in the cards.

Jesus Christ!

I know, disgusting.

That'll happen a couple more times, sorry.

But in my childhood,

that's what we did.

That's fair.

In my childhood, though, I remember watching it on TV.

I am a dad.

This is dad jokes.

But I do remember watching Yu-Gi-Oh!

on TV just vaguely, like English dub.

I remember the abridged series on YouTube, and I collected some of the cards as a kid, and I got some

pretty cool cards that I bragged about for like a good solid, like, couple months, and then I was kind of out of it, you know.

I didn't have as deep of a connection to Yu-Gi-Oh!

as I think most people do, but I still find it fascinating.

I love the memes.

I love hearing about it, even if I don't understand.

It seems kind of

there's quite a bit of depth to the game that I'm kind of like, I don't know

I can learn.

That's I'm kind of dense.

So that's kind of it as well.

I'd never really watched, and I never played at all.

Like, literally, it was a stream of discoveries as my friend kind of, as Foxcaid came over and just kind of was like, hey, we're going into shit you've never checked out.

And the memes for me were just like pot of greed and,

you know, people with, I guess, Long Island accents.

Yeah, you know, and also like

calling children third-rate duelers with fourth-rate decks.

Also, you didn't win because

I choose to write, like, I will, I'll fucking kill myself if you don't, like, let me win or whatever that shit was about.

I don't know.

It's crazy.

I'll tell you, 99% of my Yu-Gi-Oh!

knowledge comes from Little Karibos, like, Abridged series.

Yeah, yeah.

God, what a classic.

Um,

but no, diving in, basically, and like, uh, I, so yeah, Foxhade was our Sherpa and sat me and Reggie down.

And we installed, we took a look, we got into it, and I have to say, initially, as someone who, you know, has not played, I've only played a few card games.

It was a little bit rough going at first, right?

The basics of like putting a card down and attacking the enemy card or the person behind and stuff were like, okay, I get that much.

But like, there were a couple of card descriptions where I felt like I was reading a word salad.

And I was like, oh, when, when this thing summons, it took, it took a sec, you know?

Right.

But something that people had been calling out for a while, and you know, it's it's it predictably so.

They're like, hey, Wooly, have you heard about Vanquished Souls?

And I'm like, what's Vanquished Souls?

And it's like, it's the part of Yu-Gi-Oh!

that's a deck based on fighting games.

And I was like, oh boy.

Okay.

Okay.

And so the way the cards work is you show like your main character that you're going to pick.

And then every card has an element, right?

So, you know, fire, earth, dark, et cetera.

And then to do a move, to do an ability with that card that's on the

board, you show like one card that has fire, for example, one card that has shadow.

And like by showing those cards, you're doing an input for a special move, you know, essentially.

So you're kind of going like, if I have

a card with fire, that's like me having down.

And then if I have this other card, it's like me having down forward and then forward.

And then I play the button and it's like a fireball, you know?

And I was like, okay.

Oh, that's cool, right?

That's awesome.

That sounds complicated.

But it does sound very complicated.

But it's like, basically, it's like by holding the right things in your hand, you have access to moves with the character that you play on the board, you know?

That's so cool.

And then there was that part of it.

And then the second part of it was like,

you can play a card on the stage.

You can play a card down that acts as a stage, like almost like a fighting arena of sorts, you know, where your characters are now going to be like on

final destination or whatever environment type of thing, you know.

And yeah, and then you can swap characters in and out as if it were like a tag game.

So you can tag out one fighter into another.

And I was like, okay, that's really well thought out.

That's a fun system, you know?

So I'm like,

and like literally the vanquished souls are like the acronym is VS, right?

So it's like, yeah, okay, you know, you know how to appeal to people.

I'm the target audience.

Hi, it's me.

Where do I spend my money?

And it turns out, you know, I can kind of earn them, but you have to kind of play for a while and like make the cards because they don't just sell the pack anymore.

But I thought that was a really cool thing.

That was like a part of the game that I find interesting.

You know, that got me.

Hey, let me ask you, Wolves.

When you were playing, you were playing the PC client, like on Steam?

We were playing the PC client, and I was connecting with my phone to the stream PC client.

Okay, because I loaded up on my phone and bounced off it like about as fast as i've ever bounced off any game in my life oh word the cards are like

minuscule they they like

because yu-gi-ho is an existing card game made for a regular human table and meet space

um it has to accommodate like a really wide

like swath of cards on the table and so i i load it up and i'm putting my phone in landscape mode and i'm like though i cannot even discern the art on the card so like not even the description yeah the description will come up on the left when you click on it.

Like it is, it is literally smaller than my thumbnail.

So on the PC version of it, it turns out you can install like a high-res art mod to make all the card art really sharp.

That would be helpful.

That's really nice.

Yeah.

And then there's, you can click on it to get the initial card up and then click a second time to get like a broader description of the paragraph.

So it, yeah, I would say like on the phone is probably not as ideal for

destroying your eye, not destroying your eyes compared to like the PC version, you know?

But how many times do you want to like kill time on your desktop versus just whipping out your phone?

Because for me, like a card game on my phone is for the nine minutes it's going to take for my hot dog to get ready when I go order food.

That sounds about right.

Like that, that's the spot in my life this, this type of thing represents.

Callie, do you have like a phone game that's just the, like I have like a minute and a half.

Let's just jump in to go, like, kind of.

Let me go ahead and check.

Um, let's see.

In terms of mobile games, um, I don't really, I don't really take the train.

Like, I used to take the train, and that's typically where most people, especially in Japan, play mobile games.

Um, I can't really play mobile games, especially like in a taxi or in a car, because I get car sick.

So,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

But let's see, I really, I'm trying to get into Pokemon, Pokemon Masters X.

I like it.

I like it because I like the characters in Pokemon.

I can't help myself.

It's a gotcha for these characters that I grew up with.

And I don't know.

It's just

doing it.

And I hate that I spent money on it.

I hate that I'm putting dollars into that, but I can't help myself.

And you know what?

Probably with this

horse girl game.

It might end up the same way.

That's pretty much the only game that I do that with, though.

Well, you don't have to put any money into that one for a while because

their release uh uh event or whatever is just gonna give you like tons of currency for weeks free stuff

oh let's go endorphins awesome okay just get that's big news yeah get the little get the little like tingles going on right but but this is how they get you though oh man like

okay so what is

what does pokemon do when you get like a legendary thing like how what graphics and colors are swirling to like get that anticipation going they've got like some cool like voice lines and maybe they have like a cool costume.

Okay.

I don't know.

I don't really pay too much attention.

I skip most of the fix and stuff like that just to see what I got.

Because like I was

saying, no, Cal, you're one of those.

I mean, after a certain point.

No, after a point,

it's just feed the vein, right?

At a certain point, you're just

hitting the button to just get the next fix, Pat.

You know how this goes, right?

That rainbow horse stall is going to get those gears going eventually, but soon it's taking too long.

Show me.

Show me now.

Show me the results immediately.

I get what did I get?

I've been through this too.

So what is Pokemon Masters EX?

Like, what is the game on that one?

I mean, it's basically just, you're rolling gutsha for characters from the Pokemon series.

And it's not even, it's not even Pokemon.

They like, you roll for characters that have Pokemon, I guess, and like they have like a sync pair so that work together with their Pokemon, their signature Pokemon.

And then it's 3v3.

It's a 3v3 finding.

I don't care about any of that.

I care about the characters and the little episodes they have together.

And like, they talk to me.

They're like, hey, Maury, how's your day going?

Let's do some training.

I'm like, yeah, cool Pokemon Can you drive light for many years?

You're so good.

I feel like they were describing

Malibustas.

Malibu Stacey.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Instead of this Pokemon.

I can't let Pat get away with him just saying, what is the game on that one?

As he affixes his readers to the bottom of his nose.

Tell me about that one.

What's the game on that?

Are you winning?

How does that one?

I played like a month of League of Legends because I was sick of not understanding jungler memes.

I'm sorry.

I thought.

Yeah, right?

Okay.

Okay, hey, wait.

Well, when we started, I saw people saying that you love Timo.

Is that true?

Shut up.

Shut up.

No, no, because Timo's lying.

They're lying.

They're lying.

You should like exposure.

Exposure?

Here, live?

Is this happening?

Sound like my friend.

She will not stop talking about, yeah, you're our coach.

You're our coach, Callie.

You're a coach, and you love Timo.

And like, when she plays, when she plays league with the other girls, she has like a PNG of me that she puts up behind her.

She's like, yeah, our coach is here.

I'm not there.

Don't play league.

And I'll never play league.

That's great.

That's great.

Maybe you're not.

That's a great bit.

That's really strong.

That's right.

You're the stone.

There's a woolly doll that's coming in the mail that I'm going to use for this purpose.

I literally got the prototype downstairs today, by the way.

Yes.

Oh, what?

You got a doll?

Awesome.

Like a plushie?

Yeah.

God damn it.

All right.

Hold on.

Yeah, go get it.

I want to see.

I want to see.

I'm so curious.

So, hey.

Oh, my gosh.

You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but one of the things for me is: I've played Genshin, I've played Honkai Star Rail, I've played ZendlaZone Zero, I've played

a bunch of the other ones, right?

And

I always hit this moment where I'm starting to get into it.

And then I go, wait a second,

I'm susceptible to becoming addicted to gambling.

Shit.

Visual bit for the audio podcast.

Wow.

Check this little dude out.

What the hell?

And he's got his arcade stick.

And like the arcade stick.

You put it in his lap, and then it's got so cute, Willie.

There it is.

So coming soon.

I'm going to, that's going to come in the mail, and I'm going to give that to Caboose.

Hell yeah.

Oh, he'll be able to do that.

And he's going to chew the shit out of me.

Damn, let's go.

No, he doesn't chew anything.

He's unrecognizable.

Oh.

So he'll walk around the house with Wooly in his busted maw without all his teeth.

I can't wait.

I'm so down.

Okay.

So

all this aside, there's one other thing I wanted to touch on, too.

I saw.

Yeah, go for it.

Yeah.

I checked out a really cool movie that just popped up on Netflix that

I didn't know about until a couple days ago.

Have you heard of K-pop Demon Hunters?

I knew you were going to bring that up.

Everybody's talking about K-pop demon hunters these days.

It's sick.

Yes.

It's really cool.

Have you seen it?

I like it.

Yes, I do.

I like it a lot.

I like the music

as well.

I don't know if I'm the target audience personally, but I feel like...

I think everyone's the target audience for K-pop.

I'm cute.

I mean, I'm so lame.

I'm such an edge lord.

I can't help myself.

I think it's really cute, but like, it's almost that it's like, it's, it's so, like, poppy that I'm like, this is fun, and I want to watch this with my friends and enjoy the music, but it's not like a movie I want to watch seriously, if that makes any sense.

Okay, okay.

It's kind of tropey, but like, you don't want to watch it actively with your brain on.

Exactly.

So, if I think it's sweet, it's a sweet movie.

I didn't, I didn't think I was the target audience, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

A big part of that is that the team that made Spider-Verse

was behind this.

Oh, I can see that.

And they're,

and I just wanted, like, of all the things, like, they're so good at facial expressions.

And, like,

right, the way the, like, the faces that the girls make are so fun throughout the whole thing.

And doing that in, like, a really, like, like,

it works super well in 3D.

Like, they have these right off the bat, goofy, just, like when they're eating food and taking breaks and chilling, you know.

Yeah.

Also, they don't take breaks, so hey, there's that part.

I don't know if that's a little close to home.

Relatable, totally relatable.

There's a lot of things I relate to in that movie for sure.

For sure.

But then it also has that, like, so not just Spider-Verse, but Puss and Boots, The Last Wish.

Like,

awesome animation combat quality.

Yeah.

So

just unexpected, really sick movie on Netflix, worth checking out for sure.

Definitely check it out, guys, if you haven't.

And yeah, and also like some of the little bits that they play into where there's like, you know, there's the K-pop girl band and then like the boy band kind of shows up.

So funny.

I'm looking at those guys.

Those guys are twonk.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Like it leans in as hard as possible.

Like the camera knows what you're thinking and is right there with you the whole time.

It's crazy.

Like their waists are ridiculous.

It's insane.

But, like, it's been interesting watching my lady friends react in different ways because I have some girlfriends who are like, oh my God, they're all so dreamy.

And then I have one friend who's like, why is the main guy the only good-looking one?

And I'm like, oh

my God,

that's crazy.

Everyone's got different reactions.

Yeah, I mean, if your type is the you can't see my eyes type, you know, there's the mystery boy.

I like that.

The wild one, you know, know, they got all the profiles.

The rapper who doesn't talk.

Right.

I like that.

The hot sauce, dude.

Baby.

Yeah.

No.

So just, yeah, big.

So recommend on K-pop Demon Hunters.

It was a ton of fun.

It's a good watch.

Yeah, that's pretty much like, you know, everything that I was going to jump into.

That and the existential crisis you're having every single day.

Well, you know, that's, hey, we try to just keep that in the back of our minds.

And then, you know, eventually someone is going to to hand me a baby and then I'm going to stare and go, What is happening?

But it'll work out, right?

I can't wait.

I can't wait because I told you about it, and tons of people told you about it, including like you know, older people that you've had in your aunts, uncles, parents, right?

It's like, wow, everything's different.

And oh, crap, what do I do?

And like, you can hear that all day, and then it's going to happen, and it's going to be so much more intense and terrifying than you could possibly be ready for.

I was just like, oh, my responsibility.

yeah

it's good though it's good though i it's good i know good good good emotions yes no i can't i can't wait for my my soul to leave my body because you know responsibilities we're here we're doing it um for sure

okay

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I'm back.

Hello.

Welcome back.

Hello, hello.

Hey, hey, hey.

Okay,

so

my understanding is that we've got some there's some overlap here.

I hear you know a thing or two about JoJo.

Oh gosh, me a Jojo fan.

Maybe.

Most importantly, we've established that we're all going to call it JoJo and not JoJo's.

I mean,

like those cursed Europeans.

I'll take anything at this point.

Considering it was so obscure a couple years ago, the fact that people know and love it now is all I need, really.

True enough.

Definitely, I'm a big fan.

I'm going to be honest.

Yeah, they like just this week.

I saw one of the things we were always talking about was like, okay, steelball run is confirmed.

What are they going to do about the horses?

Motorcycles.

And yeah, yeah, that was the bit.

It's like, oh, what if they just get motorcycles instead in 3D, you know?

No way.

But I saw, like, from the news this week, the director basically basically said, people have been asking us and they've been worried about the horses.

Me and Kato-san have been planning this for years.

Don't worry, the horses are fine.

They're fine.

We won't tell you how they're fine, but they're fine.

Don't worry about them.

They're going to animate them somehow.

I believe.

Yeah.

I believe.

Well, then I'm putting my faith in them.

Give me a single still image.

Everything else is animated the same, just like a sliding JPEG on the screen.

Ace Combat 7 again once again i say you got you got giro zappelli and just vodka right next to him just running that works too that works too okay i i this this slip past i gotta tell this story before before we get too far away i was streaming horse game

and the baby had woken up from his nap And Paige had left me up on the TV.

So I'm standing there going, run fast, run faster, horsey.

And I'm cheering my horse on.

And the baby turns and sees this

and starts yelling, run fast.

Yeah.

And then when I'm like, oh, no, no, make him stop.

Oh, God.

And he sees me starting to lose my shit.

He just starts yelling, too bad.

And it's like, oh, my God, my...

My child, my wonderful

child has been like

assaulted by horse horse gambling anime.

Oh, he's in.

It's too late, Father.

I've seen everything.

Yeah, no, for real, no, but actually, for real.

Yeah, yeah, too bad.

Oh, that's great.

God, that's so cute, though.

Okay.

Callie, who is

best JoJo?

Oh, come on.

Joseph Joe Star.

Oh, Joseph is my favorite.

Oh, you're welcome on this show every day.

Wow.

I wasn't sure if that would be an acceptable answer, but I love Joseph so much.

I got into JoJo at like a time in my life where I was really, I was having a tough time getting into this industry and just like settling into what I'm doing now.

And watching JoJo just made my day so much brighter.

And Joseph was a big part of that.

Because, you know, I mean,

I, I like Jonathan.

Like, he's cool.

Like, I watched part one.

He's a good guy.

He's a good guy.

He's a good guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When part two, not part, well, part two, yes, part two, but season one, I guess, on Netflix, started popping off.

Like, when I was watching it, I was like,

now we're getting somewhere.

This is what I wanted to see with the show.

And I just think

he's such a silly guy.

And we get so much of him, too, because we also get him in part three, for example, and like a tiny bit of part four.

We get so much of him.

Yeah, he grows on you.

He's such a fun, fun guy.

I think that is one of multiple correct answers.

I have multiple correct answers.

I totally agree.

Absolutely the Joseph show.

This household over here on the East Coast happens to be a Josuke household.

So

that's what I'm saying, right?

I'm not going to.

Josuke,

you can't shake a stick at that.

And

Joseph neither.

That's his mutual respect.

We're good over here.

Mutual respect.

Right?

Now, I wish that your guy was a better father to my guy, right?

It would have been

nice.

He showed up eventually.

Eventually.

Yeah.

He didn't know that he showed up for the most part, but he did.

Oh,

God.

Yeah.

And I mean, look,

the whole concept of parenting in general, like, don't let the Joe stars be your example, you know?

For sure.

They're complicated.

But no,

I love me some Joe Ske.

I love me some part four and some punching the spaghetti to return to its original ingredients.

So like to me, punching the spaghetti is like the absolute highlight of Jose's personality because it's so stupid.

But that is a Joseph Joestar moment.

Like that is how a Joseph Joestar would solve it.

Solve the problem.

Yeah.

That's so true.

But like Joseph solves all of his problems that way.

The same way.

Well, but there's also the other patented technique, which is run away, Smokey.

It's the most respectable technique.

I mean, I still use it playing games all the time.

I do it all the time in my real life.

In real life, too, it works anywhere.

Oh, God.

Yeah, full 180.

Yeah.

But no, like,

sorry, go ahead.

Wooly is, oh, sorry, is your favorite part, part four?

Part four was my favorite part for a long time

until Steelball Run happened.

Oh,

yeah, and I'm like, for any, I'm not going to, you know, go too far in because like from reading it, because like we're obviously going to get the anime soon, and I can't wait for everybody to experience that.

We're dipping back into these things being spoilers again.

Right.

But the

journey into part seven for me was so, like, it was incredible because part six is like, it's a really wild whirlwind, like, kind of send-off to that, these characters and everything you know in a way and I kind of feel like um I came out of Stone Ocean like bittersweet you know me too and you're like totally that's that and that feeling lingers with you and so all I all I'm gonna say is I feel like part seven understands that feeling and

uses it It knows how you're feeling about everything up to this point.

And I feel like it makes the best usage of it by like celebrating everything, Jojo, in some really, really cool ways, you know?

I gotta finish it.

Yeah, I can't elaborate much more than that.

That's it.

I'm just gonna keep it there.

Yeah, you know, halfway, halfway through, but I'm excited.

That's exciting to hear.

I'm loving it so far.

Who do you got on your villain pick?

My favorite villain?

Let me think.

Who do I like the most?

Is there anybody that's actually like really stuck out to me?

I feel like Dio.

Everybody says Dio.

I'm like looking forward to it.

He's goaded.

He's instant goaded, right?

Who's your favorite superhero?

Superman.

Okay.

But it's like, do you want David Bowie in Labyrinth or do you want David Bowie in a music video wearing a suit?

Like, which version do you want?

Like, we got all kinds.

That's a good...

I mean, that's also a good point.

You know...

Thinking about it though, actually, I think actually the true answer, I think I've said this to chat in the past before, but my true favorite is actually Yoshikaga Hiri.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's just, he's just a normal guy, but he's also a terrible guy.

Like, he tries to masquerade his life.

But he's so terrible.

He sucks.

He sucks.

I, so I, like, the thing that I love with Kira 2 is like, I felt like the bar that Dio sets is so high.

You know, you're like, how are you going to follow that act?

And they manage to do so by being the complete opposite.

He's like, I'm not charismatic.

I'm weird.

I just want to be left alone.

Don't look at me.

And they managed

to bring it overstatement to the extreme versus understatement to the other extreme.

Yeah.

And,

you know, so that's no, like, absolutely.

Kakira is super sick.

I have...

As for me, a big part of what I love villain-wise, I love Poochie from part six

because I feel like while we're all like loving Dio, we're like, oh, Poochie's a fanboy, just like we are.

Yeah, she's the number one Dio fan.

Yeah.

Am I totally insane that like

I don't know how the timeline of events works, but like Poochie, I'm like legitimately completely unable to take Poochie seriously because his name is Poochie and all I see is the dog from The Simpsons.

Yeah, I have to go back to my home planet now.

Yeah, no, but for real.

Made in heaven.

Float away.

Yeah.

But then, you know,

just the infinite beams of just like, Poochie, why do you want to reset the world?

And just like him looking into the distance and insert whatever reason you need to overlaid behind his face.

It's fine, you know.

And I also like that, like, you get like White Snake as a reference in there and Stairway to Heaven and all this stuff.

Like, Poochie's just a cool design overall.

I think that's my pick.

Who's your favorite villain, Pat?

Oh, it's Kira.

It's Kira, right?

Yeah.

So, Kira, it's easily Kira because after going through Dio a couple of times, and like the Pillar Man are just like variations on a theme with Dio.

Oh, yeah, there are those guys.

It's three parts in a row, and like five total villains, and all of them are like, you're a lower form of life, I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the handsomest, I'm the best built, how dare you interfere with my plans, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

It's all this grandeur, right?

And you get to Kira, and it's this, it's, it's this emotional place of

guy at the DMV who's like, why is everyone mad that I cut in line?

Like, that's the level of importance/slash annoyance he's giving to murder, like a gigantic city-spanning battle over serial killing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why is everyone getting on my case?

Because I didn't put the shopping cart back.

Right, right.

That's so dangerous.

Just get over it.

I also just, I also just really love Killer Queen

as well as a stand.

And I remember that somebody actually commissioned me to draw Kira and Killer Queen like five years before I even watched part four.

That's it.

And I watched it.

Wow.

What?

I know this guy.

I drew this guy.

What the heck?

So

I have a strong connection to Kira.

Hell yeah.

And

the part four, like, all, okay, all those

intros are fire, right?

They're absolutely fucking crushing it.

Like,

when Dio does the time stop at the end of the world and the nine-second walk around, like, chills, right?

Right.

But I remember specifically with part four, the whole, like, the first intro was a crazy, noisy, bizarre town where they're all, like, disco partying and they're pointing up, you know, and then

what a zany situation.

Right?

And then it gets really dark where the second intro chase happens and things getting more frantic frantic and like Shigetchi, their friend, is gone.

And they're still kind of looking up, but you know, like the camera's kind of higher up.

And I love, and like when it all comes back around in the intro great days, and you see like what everyone was pointing up at were all the people that died that are like up in heaven pointing back at them.

Like my chest got tight.

Like I was like, oh, Jojo's getting me.

It's getting me emotional.

You know, I fucking love that part so much.

Manipulation.

I love it.

Oh, man.

But you know,

every time that I watch part four,

I can't help myself because, of course, I watched it much later than everyone else.

I can't help but draw so many parallels to freaking Persona 4.

Oh, I mean.

I can't help but draw it.

Yeah.

It really hit me.

I was like, oh.

I think the team over at Atlas also drew those parallels.

You think they did it on purpose?

I mean.

I mean, even with the villain of Persona 4.

Yeah.

Quiet town and then one dude and just trying to beat

leave me alone.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It's...

So I also did that.

I did that.

That was the same path.

I beat Persona 4 and then later the anime came out.

And

like, if those were reversed.

Like, if the anime had come out and then Persona 4, I'd be like, oh my God, look at this cool fan game by this indie developer.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not Jojo.

Wink, wink.

Yeah.

So,

P4, like, honestly, so the culprit in that, like, that is, I think,

of all the Persona games that I've played, which is the,

you know, three, four, five, and metaphor

three, which is the first persona game.

I played one and two for like an hour, and I was like, I don't want to do this.

No, no, no, I'm just, I'm, no, I'm just, a couple of heads just exploded exploded just now.

I'm trolling.

But,

oh, like that, there's a picture that has like P3, four, and five, one each in a row, but the numbers are replaced with one, two, and three.

Yeah.

It's so just like, oh,

oh, that's toxic.

Just hearing that makes my blood boil.

It's so toxic.

The image is crazy.

I don't know if you remember.

Did you do a Persona 3 sponsored video?

Not P3, no.

Okay, Callie, did you do one?

Oh, wait, no, yes, sorry, a reload.

I did.

Yeah, I did.

I did a reload video.

Yeah, I did one.

Yeah.

I did one for the port for P3P,

and then I played Persona 3 Reload just because I wanted to.

That one wasn't sponsored, but.

Okay, for reload, in the copy, it was like, make sure to say over and over the beginning of the modern Persona range.

It starts at 3.

They were pushing, this is the first game.

Oh, man.

Please, no.

No, like,

I think that, like, in

each game, I find has like a really strong point that, like, beats the others at what it's doing, you know?

And in my opinion, I think for the villain is the best.

I love,

you know,

I mean, I always, we always say culprit just to be safe.

I mean, it's like, it's been a million years.

No, it's been a million years, but it's also, like, it's the main thing of the game, I guess.

So, you know, but

I just love how in a lot of games, you have villains that have lots of high grand motivations and are up on an ivory tower, spouting off whatever.

And then you're like, what is this reason?

This dude's reason for doing this shit.

And he's like, because fuck it.

That's why.

Just absolute, like, like, ugh, fucking lulls, man.

For the luls, and because woman, right?

Ugh.

Like, just, you're like, wow, what a piece of shame.

Cannot empathize with that.

I'm like,

the thing is that kind of relatable.

You're like, at first, you're like, oh, this guy could be like you and me.

But then you step back and you're like, wait a minute, he's not like you and me because he's a freaking psychopath.

Yeah.

You know, but like, there are so many aspects of him that are relatable that you question a little bit.

And they make you pick that name out on the full list, right?

They really sit you down and go, no,

take your time.

Think about everything.

And like, I was so confident right up until they gave me a list.

It's like being confident before going to your exam and seeing the multiple choice.

I was like, I'm 100%.

I know 100% who it is.

There's no doubt in my mind.

And then they give me the massive list.

I'm like, okay, maybe there's a little doubt in my mind.

Just a little bit.

Just a smidge.

It could be any of these people.

It's not a co,

yeah.

It has to be.

The whole time.

I mean, she'd throw you through a loop for sure.

And I mean, just like jumping into the persona from that, like, yeah, I mean, it's okay, we don't need to start any wars here.

We can put our weapons down, but let's do it.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

No wars, no wars.

Let's just talk about, you know, who we hung out with and took to

S-Link 10.

You know, let's see.

And we can do this peacefully.

And, you know.

Peacefully.

Yeah.

All good.

Who's your S-Link 10 pick in?

Let's stay with like four, for example.

Oh, four?

Shoot.

Who was it?

Dang.

I'm going to be honest.

My favorite characters are definitely probably not in four, but I'm going to have to go ahead and say Nauto probably out of everyone.

I like Nauto and I liked Risei the most.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, no, no problem with the others or anything like that, but you know,

they're super different characters, but I just liked both of them the most.

Maybe because of how different they were.

Now

I don't have a type.

Clearly.

I mean, no, Nauto rules.

Super sick.

Like, big fave.

I'm just,

I'm, I love me a Chia.

I love me some dragon kicks.

You know, real simple.

We go.

But

Pat.

Yep.

But Pat, you you took your big long sip at the Resay mention over there.

Oh, well,

listen, I've lived my life with no regrets.

And what that means is,

what that means is, is that the answers are

bitchy redhead,

flirty redhead, nerdy redhead.

In every game.

Then I marry that.

Okay.

Then I make a baby with that.

Okay.

I'm doing all right.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

You know what?

I was a little less predictable going into each game.

I kind of jumped all over the place a little bit, you know, but that is consistent.

What if I picked the girls that remind me of my wife I've never met yet?

But then I meet her and I go, oh, yeah, no, this, yeah, okay.

Manifest.

Manifest.

Yeah, no.

That's so funny.

No, I mean, I'm thinking about it.

Like in three, I agree.

I'm like, Mitsuru was always just goaded, but like I said, my whole thing with Mitsuru has just been like, I'm like, I feel like Mitsuru and Akihiko are like,

y'all go hang out.

I'm not even going to try it.

That's coward shit.

That is loser talk.

That was me.

That was how I felt about it, you know?

Absolute loser talk.

I'm just saying, you know, like, they're the senpais and they're killing it.

I enjoy, I endorse, you know?

I just always feel like I tend to kind of gravitate towards what has the most canon scenes in the game to like, I guess, for my own satisfaction.

So, like, you know, for example, Persona 3, of course, gotta go with Aigis.

Igis is my favorite.

Okay, okay.

Pushes that.

Yeah, yeah.

Very direct.

Head in the lap.

I want to be,

yeah, I mean, I want to get the satisfaction of seeing those scenes and being validated by the game for quote-unquote choosing the right one is just what it ends up being for me.

But I also really love igis because i don't know i think she's cute i think

i just think she's cute she yeah i know i think i ended up going as far from like the canon as possible like i ended up going with yuko the sports girl like oh yeah yuko who's you know i think she's great but she's like she's not a party member she's not like pushed it in but i'm like yeah no but she's cool i like her you know

yeah

I mean, that's kind of cool in its own way, too, to like, you know, have the relationship be completely separate from the business and stuff like that's very realistic that's it to be honest that's it you know keep that's realistic um yeah and and i would say like i feel like in three i felt like the uh ultimate that that finale and final and final boss were like i'd say that's the strongest of you know what that does at its best you know uh uh

door stop kun as as they affectionately say

it is wild i've gotten

i've gotten the same spot in persona three twice once with the original and once with reload, and I've just crashed out at the exact same spot.

It's in like December

where the game's like, you know what you should do?

And I'm like, what?

What should I do?

You should do 100 more fucking floors of Tartarus.

And I go, ah,

yeah.

Yeah.

So close.

You're so close.

No.

Here's the thing.

I got spoiled on the ending before that, many, many years ago.

I'll kill them.

Okay, go look at Game Spot.

It was Game Spot in the review of FES that spoiled the ending of the original game.

Please go read

all of them.

All right, it's on the docket.

It's on the

jokes, jokes, by the way, Jokes.

Everything you're saying here is completely fictional and for entertainment purposes only.

Yeah, no, I...

That's too bad.

That sucks.

I feel like when it comes to five, I just, I loved the crew the most in that,

you know, they were

the whole like heist and putting the plan together and everything, I feel like, was the funnest with them.

And I feel like Makoto is just, look, that's just the objective truth.

You know, we can.

The game pushes Makoto.

It does.

And I agree with the game.

The game objectively does push Makoto.

I agree with the game.

That's cool.

I mean,

it's interesting that you mention that because I feel like for every game, and this is the same with JoJo, I have a favorite entourage, a favorite main character, a favorite overall part.

You know, for example, JoJo's part five is

my favorite entourage.

Oh, the boys.

Those guys are stupid.

The boys.

Pascione.

Yeah.

The himbo crew.

Yeah.

The himbo crew.

They are dumb as rocks.

That's why I love them.

That's why I love them so much.

They're so entertaining.

Oh, God.

Oh, man, all those guys.

No,

that's the only JoJo crew that would have a face lick be part of the dynamic, you know?

They're unique in that regard.

I was sold right away.

Right away.

Sorry.

We were talking about persona, but I had the Jojo Jojo real.

No, we're all over.

It's the same thing.

We're all over the place right now.

It's the same thing.

Stands, Personas.

It's the same shit.

That's honestly.

We're marks for the same shit every time, you know?

Like, yeah.

Every time.

No, the,

yeah, I was going to say, like, the heist with

the five.

And did you, have you gone through metaphor by any chance yet?

No, I haven't.

I know, I know chat's going to be like, we've been telling you, Maury, you have to play it, even if it's off stream.

Really long.

Don't worry about it.

Really long.

I see that there's a character.

There's a character in there that I might like.

There's a character that kind of, I don't think it's the same, but like visually, it reminds me a little bit of Griffith a little bit.

Ah,

looks like it's on purpose.

Boy, is that a Griffith?

Oh, really?

Oh, now I have to play it.

I mean, here's the problem, Callie.

You've kind of screwed yourself over on the timeline, especially now coming out of this podcast, because you haven't played Metaphor, and Metaphor is completely peak.

And that is a big old RPG that you should probably play because it is absolutely stellar.

But

the follow-up that I'm going to say is that you obviously haven't played Claire Obscure Expedition 33 either, which is similarly peak, but not quite as long.

I mean, I actually have played it.

We touched on it.

Yeah.

To completion.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

So that's a humongous assumption you made there, buddy.

Swing and a miss.

I should have done more research.

Whoa.

She beat it before me.

Oh, don't I look like a fool.

Absolute exposure.

There you go.

I haven't beaten the secret bosses yet or anything like that.

I'm planning to do that whenever DLAS.

Yep.

Paint on stream right in front of everybody.

That was crazy.

I thought you were being sarcastic for a second there.

I thought you were, I thought that was pure sarcasm.

No, we have been like properly like just non-stop glazing Expedition 33 because of how great it is

for weeks now.

People have.

Yeah.

Because it, I mean, it's not really very debatable, in my opinion, whether it's good or not.

Like,

it's objectively really well-made game.

It's one of those things where, like, upon you know, you hit it, you beat it, and you're like, oh, I'm going to be talking about this one for a long time.

For sure.

I'm glad that, like, you know, they're actually going back in and doing some of the tweaks with, like, you know,

they're patching in to like fix some bugs and fix like some difficulty stuff as well.

Cause we, Pat and I are, we're kind of sickos.

We're, we're kind of freaks.

Uh, we do not play the game like normal people ought to, um,

And we're basically parry or die.

Oh, yeah, that's the way the game should be played.

Absolutely.

And so you're fighting things that you're like,

you have no business fighting this, but if you can stand here and not get hit, then I guess you can beat it.

All I have to do is just use

multiplicative damage bonuses infinitely, and then the boss will die.

No problem.

So

they did

add stuff that I like.

I'm like, okay, you can put some damage caps on and enjoy the game without melting everything in one touch, you know?

Yeah.

They've said that they're going to be patching it a little bit more to clean it up.

I'm hoping one of those patches has a loadout system.

Please, God.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

That would be so helpful.

Like, that is

a law that just stood out to me every single 10 minutes I played and went to the menu.

I'm like, oh my God, this Picto menu is the worst.

It's the worst.

The favorite.

And chat's like, you can favorite things.

I'm like, that doesn't help.

It's not enough.

I'm favoriting like half of the list.

Exactly.

And also, the moment you switch from one character to another, the list changes because, you know, some people have equipped stuff that repositions it.

Like, they really got to make that streamlined for sure.

They really do.

For sure.

They do.

Now,

I guess

on that note of like, do I don't know if you like your games hard or not, but I also hear Wid of

you've jumped into some souls.

Some souls, some.

Yeah, I mean, this is kind of where the Mori became a gamer somewhere along the way started, I guess.

Because

I was always into Bloodborne from the day it dropped.

I tried it out back in the day, and I took a whole day trying to get through the first area, and then after that, it was smooth sailing.

Just had to get

over the hill.

I became a fan after that, but I never really got deep into Dark Souls because I did try it out a little bit, but I thought to myself, this isn't for me.

You need a shield, etc.

I was just, I was very, I was very stuck in my ways of...

You don't need a, you don't need a shield.

You don't.

You don't need one.

You actually don't need one.

For me at that time, I was like, oh, it seems like this is the way to play it, and I don't want to play it that way, so I put it down.

But then I got Elden Ring, played and beat Elden Ring.

Really liked that.

And then chat's like, you should try Dark Souls.

I was like, should I try Dark Souls?

I don't really know if I like it or not.

And lo and behold, some of my favorite games I've ever played.

And that was it.

Yeah.

That was it.

It was.

I mean, listen,

you're doing content creation with video games on the internet.

You're going to go through it.

You're going to play Dark Souls.

Yeah.

It's a mandatory.

And, you know,

whatever order, at whatever point, you know, like, you're going to have that experience of like, here, handle Ornstein and Smog.

You know, here, deal with the Fume Knight.

Like, whatever, it's going to happen.

That was when it clicked for me fighting those two guys I was like whoa these games are actually awesome.

I think I want to keep playing all of them

It was fun what what type of builds what type of character Do you usually go for?

So I want to be honest with you don't don't tell the strength bullies in my chat I got bullied into strength only strength only builds so I just do I just make guts every time except it's like

guts liabys so like pink hair

yeah

ultimate strength build every time, and that's no shield, no magic, none of that, because they got to me, they got to

sorry, strength chads, and bullies.

Did I say strength bullies?

No, that's not what I meant to say.

I meant so no, those guys are so cool.

You can't go wrong with maximum

the

naturally.

So, the thing is, is Fromsoft agrees with you, and they want you to make guts in every game.

I get that, I get that vibe for sure.

They give you a gut sword and they give you a big old Artorius flip slash and like they're like, no, no, no.

We understand.

We too are fans of Berserk.

Look at this icon.

That's not the brand.

Don't worry about it.

So awesome.

Awesome, though.

I love that.

I love that so much.

It's funny, Woolly, that you mentioned that

from Software Tell is like, yeah, maybe it goes astray.

Because I recently went through Lies of P and

unrelease.

Lies of P

was not that.

Lies of P was...

It had this feeling of every dev played through the game with Dex weapons and had just never picked up the strength ones.

They were really bad on release.

They didn't do enough damage.

They did not knock enemies back far enough.

They were too slow.

And then patch one, they got buffed.

Then patch two, they got buffed.

Then patch three, they got buffed.

And patch four, they got buffed.

And so on and so forth okay for like a month

it and then i still went through the whole game with strength only which made the game get easier the further i went into it which was a very strange situation with the game's difficulty curve okay um yeah

i haven't touched it yet have you have you seen uh lies of p uh cali

I played I played a bit of it and I liked it, but it, again, there was this feeling of like, I feel like

I should be using some decks here.

And like, there's also, you know, parrying in general is something that I didn't have a lot of confidence in for myself until I played Expedition 33.

Nice.

Now I'm confident in parrying.

Now I want to play Sekiro.

Now I want to play Eliza P.

So we'll see where it goes from here.

Going from Expedition to Sekiro is going to be super weird because the parry in Sekiro is easier than the one in Expedition 33.

Wait, really?

Are you serious?

Yeah, it's like twice as many frames.

What?

No way.

Absolutely.

So,

one of our favorite little tidbits, I don't know if you heard about this one, but the director of Expedition 33, Guillaume Brosch, they found his, he had a YouTube page, right?

Oh, and they found it, and all that's on it are a handful of videos of S-rank runs of Devil May Cry fights against Virgil.

That's it, and that's it.

You know?

That's all there is.

And it's like, doesn't that just explain everything you need to know about how this game came to be?

Yeah.

I mean, the music, too.

Some of the music, for example, the fight, I don't want to spoil stuff.

There's a big fight whereas some of the vocals are done by

people who did DMC music.

Absolutely.

That's awesome.

I mean,

I don't know if he speaks French, but good on him for singing in French.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Incredible.

Yeah.

I want to play DMC.

I haven't played it yet, but it's on my list.

I mean, I'll tell you what, with your newfound parrying skills,

that's a fun place to go.

We love those action games up over on this side of the fence.

And in particular, just the...

The mechanic that is encouraging you to, you know, not get hit from Expedition 33, of course, is something that the roots come from Devil May Cry, right?

Being stylish

not and comboing while being like as cool as the characters think they are in their head results in the music playing more and louder and results in a style meter that ranks you for how cool you are.

For how cool you are?

Yeah.

That's awesome.

And that's the whole thing.

It's like, okay, there's games where you're like, okay, you know, you're playing like a souls game and you're like, okay, don't get hit because if you get hit, you die, right?

But you're playing Devil May Cry and it's like, don't get hit not because you'll die, but because you'll stop styling, it's cringe to get hit, man.

It's cringe to get hit, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, that that's and a big part of like what's stylish is parrying stuff and then like you know, countering it like with like great timing and stuff.

So, like, those games are like a ton of fun for you know, if you get good at parrying, right?

Um, awesome, uh, Bloodborne, of course, was also the like, put that shield down, you're gonna learn today

in order to dodge, especially, dodging was.

Oh, man.

I really liked the quick style of gameplay and like getting up in the boss's face, getting up in the enemy's faces.

I really liked that style of gameplay, for sure.

Get aggressive, and you'll get your life back.

Yeah.

I love that.

Super good.

I love that they let you do some things like that in Elden Ring, too, if you have, like, the right runes and stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah.

Relive my favorite game.

Well, so that's the thing is, like, Elden Ring ultimately is like coming in at the end of all of these and going, okay, which one did you like the most?

Let's make sure we can, you know, give you like aggressive styles if you want to.

Or if you just want to sit back like Dark Souls 2 and just go and pop spells, you know, you can do that casting.

How do you guys feel about Dark Souls 2?

Hey, I think

it was the most disappointing game from Software has ever put out and was still easily the game of that year.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

I like it, and that's mainly because it's the first one I played.

So I got to experience those games in like an ascending order.

My first time touching Souls was Dark Souls 2.

And I'm like, yeah, I still fondly remember it because I'm like, yeah, and then I enjoyed everything afterwards more.

You know?

Yeah.

Well, Dark Souls 2 was the game where

my whole fan base was pretty convinced I wasn't going to touch it just because of, I mean, mean, it's Dark Souls 2.

But one of my friends told me, she was like, Maury, look, Dark Souls 2 is a game worth playing once.

That's all she said.

It's worth playing once.

I've played it like 11 times.

Yeah, okay, no.

Why do that to yourself?

I mean, I liked it.

It was fun.

Great.

I was so into Dark Souls 1 at the time that I had this mentality of like, maybe if I beat it a different way, it'll be as good.

I mean you know the Scholar of the First Sin did come out and kind of like change things up a little bit and you know um

I so for me

regardless of the game I have a very very like I

feel a strong connection with uh fume night you know like sir alon that boss

because that was one of the bosses where when we were streaming it I mean god pat I don't know how many tries it was right but fume night yeah for me it's like it was like 120 it was crazy it was crazy but it was one of the first times where I was like, okay, we're not going home

until this is done.

It was because you or I were leaving for Japan the next morning.

Oh my gosh.

Okay, okay.

Remember that?

Something was, yeah.

You were leaving for Japan in like 12 hours.

And I'm like, motherfucker, you must be this before you leave the country.

And we just sat there and it was like a battle by inches, you know, where you're like, okay, I can see the slight fuck up and oh, I got hit twice, it's over.

Again, again, you know, but that's the first like absolute like nose to the grindstone, like, oh, this is what this series is about, you know, moment I had.

So I feel strongly about that.

And I'm like, he's in two, so, you know, I have fond memories there.

For sure.

I also feel kind of similarly, but in a, in a bit of a different way, because I, when I, I had beaten Elden Ring, I beat Elden Ring's DLC.

When I played the main game for Elden Elden Ring, I used like, you know, summons and whatnot.

I was doing decks and magic and whatnot.

But then when I went into the DLC, I beat it without doing any of that.

And it was definitely so challenging.

So when I went back and played the older games, I was like, wow, this is not as much of a challenge.

I'm actually standing a chance fighting these bosses.

When I got to Fume Night, though,

that was when I went, wow, I haven't been this frustrated fighting a boss since Elden Ring.

That's crazy.

That's a wall.

Why?

Wow,

he's a wall.

Yeah.

It was crazy.

But it felt good.

I was happy about it.

What was kind of interesting is like,

did you ever get to try Demon Souls?

The first, first, first?

Yes.

I beat the original one.

Okay.

Which is, I had to go through a lot of hoops to get that.

I had to buy original PS3, the original game.

I had to get like an HDMI converter.

It was a whole.

It was a whole quest.

Yeah.

So

you came around in this media space after the PS3 was kind of of on its way out, right?

Yes.

God, doing PS3 stuff was a nightmare.

It was bad.

It was always such a problem.

No HDMI.

Yeah.

No HDMI.

Just a mess.

We.

Yeah, I mean, like, I was extra paranoid because of the times we lost recording footage, essentially.

And early on, back in ye old fucking, you know, the days when we wore the onion on our belts because it was a style at the time.

It was.

I was like finding ways to just, we're not streaming, so there was no extra live backup of anything.

So I was like, can I get a backup recording device going?

Can I get a backup audio device going?

Because when you play it through on a full day and then you lose the whole session, and there's like tons of hard-ass boss fights and massive unlost progress because you just moved forward because those games just like you get your one save.

It was the worst feeling ever.

It sucks, you know?

God, that's horrific.

But like I was going to say that like going back to demons, it's interesting because like the tricks that they use,

they kind of tested them out in that early game.

So it ends up being not that hard, you know,

when you're going back to it going.

It's like demanding that you don't know its silly little tricks.

Right?

Like there was a part in Elden Ring, you know, when you go up the elevator to like the snow area and you can fall off the side for an entire sequence of invisible pathways, right, right, right, right, right.

And I did that.

I'm like, oh, you guys are just using every trick you've ever used in any of these.

You're just going to throw everything at the wall.

But when you go back to Demon Souls, like these are their first, like, okay, what if there's a guy hiding behind the corner

and you look this way and then he's like, ah, I got him.

Hey, what's up?

Right?

Oh, my God.

And I feel like the entirety of Elden Ring, like the whole time I was streaming that, I was just clicking lock on whenever darkness was in front of me.

And I didn't, I don't, I don't know if I got got like once just by spoiling it with the camera tilt and lock on.

And to the point where like the Reggie, who I was co-streaming, who was playing with, he's like, oh, come on, can you get caught by one?

You know?

And it's just like, nah, because you learn to just lock on to the thing in the darkness.

It's, it's.

Lock on a thing in the darkness, check every corner.

If there's anywhere the game wants you to go, just assume that there's someone behind behind you or above you on a platform ready to jump on you yeah oh yep like up to up to like elden ring dlc i remember like there was parts of that um where i'm like rounding a corner and you're just like stop tilt the camera that way All right, there it is.

And where's the second one?

Oh, you're up top.

Okay, cool.

Back off, do one of them little like slow moving bell spells to make them make the encounter, you know, not ambush you.

And it's just like, we're still doing the same tricks, you know, all these years later.

But then he's like, yeah, but fuck you.

Here's a poison swamp.

The poison swamp.

I swear to God, for demon souls, I always felt like the bosses were never what I struggled the most with.

It was just the areas, the run backs.

Oh, they're all.

Bosses and Demon Souls are really easy now.

Like compared to what we have now?

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Yeah.

Like a bunch of them are like trivial.

Like adjudicator is free.

Yeah,

I will say Fool's Idol I died to a couple more times than I'd like to admit.

The church is just, which one is it?

Which one is it?

I don't know which one it is.

I'm sorry, Deadbeats.

You had to put up with that.

It was bad.

We all went through.

We all had

that flame lurker moment where you're like, wait, what do you mean he can like hit me, cross me up and hit me behind?

And, you know, and then you're like, oh, wait, I I can hit him hard enough that he actually stops moving for a second?

Huh.

Yeah.

Okay, it's just time to go all in.

Just keep hitting him.

No, and I, and then, yeah, like, I just kind of,

I feel like the

that first, uh, the, well, the literally old, King Allen, right?

That final boss.

Like,

what you learn from a big slash coming at you from across the screen is going to work wonders when you're fighting

Sir Alan, you know, and like other archetype of like insane blade slash characters and people that like, you have to roll out of their startup animation and all that crazy shit timing-wise, you know?

It's all about the learning.

I'm really interested in seeing what they could possibly do.

I mean, they're doing Night Rain now, and they're doing,

what's it called?

Dustbloods.

Dustbloods, right?

Yeah.

But like in terms of like a regular single-player game,

I'm baffled because when you go through Sekaro and you beat the Sekaro final boss, and if you go through Shadow, did you do Erdree as well, Kelly?

Oh, you mean Shadow of the Yeah, Shadow of the Earth, yes, I did.

Okay, you get to the end of that, and the feeling, and I read it in an interview later, but I felt it myself.

I'm like, this is definitely as far as you can push the difficulty with the bosses in this system.

Like, this, like, in fact, they probably went too far on Earth tree.

Like, that thing is ridiculous.

So, you can't just keep upping the difficulty.

Like, there's nowhere for it to go.

I felt like with Radon, especially, the way, when I was fighting Radon, I felt very much like, all right, there's a way that this game wants you to beat the boss, and you have to do it this way.

You have to roll a very specific way during these attacks, and there's no wiggle room for doing it any differently.

And at that point, I was kind of like, man, the difficulty, I don't know, I don't know how much further they can push it beyond this without like completely restricting.

Did you find a pre or post-nerf?

Pre-nerf.

Okay, yeah.

I'm a little proud of that.

Yeah, nice, nice, nice.

Because, like,

it was the visuals.

It was like, I cannot see.

Yes, the lag.

It was crazy.

And so, like, but like, what I was just describing about, like, literally King Alan's, like, the big slashes from across the screen, those lessons are coming back in,

you know, Consort Radon with the ghosts coming at you.

Ten years later.

Right?

They're still doing it, but then the timing of how they're coming at you is getting all mixed up, and you're like, come the fuck on.

Like,

it's just, it's the least fair it's ever been.

Yeah, what more can they do?

See, Callie, I don't know if you know this about Wooly, but he's he's the smart one around here.

He likes to wait until games get patched to nerf.

Ah, ah, ah, I see.

Yes, it's not, it's not because of the scheduling or timing or anything.

It's a tactical patch that I'm waiting on.

It's a pretty, hey, listen, there's a lot of, there's a lot of good reasons to

hold off, and all of those reasons are true.

And then

And then we all get the clout together, baby.

That's how we do it.

Speaking of patches, I'm kind of curious.

How do you guys feel about

Armored Core?

Like Armored Core?

Oh, I love Armor Core.

Yeah, so

I love me some robots, but

I feel like my first time going through was with the recent one was with 7, right?

Six.

Excuse me, six.

I think we're on six.

Did you plan Armor Core 7?

No, I said the wrong number.

Can I see it?

No, I I said the wrong number.

That was sick as hell.

And the parts where it's like, oh, Fromsoft has tricks that can apply across the board is funny.

Like when you're seeing the group of enemies staring at the one item,

and you're just like,

Even in the future, even with robots, it's still a gang squad waiting for you.

How greedy are you?

It's still pinwheel skeletons.

Basically.

Pinwheel skeletons.

Oh, sorry.

Whoops.

Sorry.

What were you saying?

But why'd you mention a patch specific to Armored Corps?

Because I remember the big thing that was going around was

the first main boss from Armored Corps VI.

The helicopter?

I thought that was such a cool fight.

Not the helicopter.

Balteis.

Balteis.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember that, yeah.

There was a patch that went out for that, and I remember just the discourse that was going on about it was immense.

It's the same discourse every time.

Hey, good for you for beating Balteus now that he has been patched.

He was harder before.

I beat him earlier when he was harder, but good for you.

But good for you, though.

To beat him, even though he is easier now.

That's always how it's going to end up when they patch the boss.

I mean,

people were like, this is so difficult.

It was difficult.

I mean, look,

if it gets easier and like, you know, anyone has an issue with that, I encourage them to then just go hit that mod up that puts Balteus into Elden Ring.

Ring, and

you're using your Elden Ring character on Torrent riding around as Balteus is shooting lasers and missiles at you.

And it's a real fight.

Awesome.

What?

You know,

I adored Armor Core 6, but I did kind of screw it up for myself

because I did not pay super close attention during a very early game tutorial and

got to like the final boss before figuring out exactly how the lock-on actually worked.

Oh, yeah,

I was like turning the camera away from bosses to move, like, literally the whole game.

Yeah.

And then someone in my chat was like, What are you stupid?

Don't touch the stick.

I'm like, oh, oh, yes, yes.

After, like, because I had managed to get all the way there.

And then after they told me that, my, my skill level like massively increased.

And then I went through the subsequent New Game Plus runs, but like nothing could touch me.

And I like ruined it for myself.

I put the training weights on.

Yeah.

And then when I took them off, oh, it's too easy.

I'm doing it too hard.

It changes the game.

I remember the Balteus fight is where I learned about like, don't touch the stick.

The smart lock-on will do it for you.

Yeah.

The lock-on was tricky, for sure.

I still struggle with the lock-on, honestly.

I have to go go back and get the true ending though.

I've only done one run.

Yeah.

The true ending is something you would really enjoy.

Yeah.

It's really, really satisfying.

Okay.

Oh, now that you say that, you're right, actually.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think

it's like

there's a singular story thread that is like hanging off to the side.

And it becomes the full focus.

Okay.

And you're like, is this really the full focus?

And like, yes, it is.

And it's really, really satisfying.

Okay.

Okay.

You'll really like the final fight.

I won't say anything else about it, but you'll, you'll be fine.

Yeah, the final fight is great.

I mean, so far, the music I've heard off of the route that I did was like phenomenal, like from soft stuff, you know?

Oh, yeah.

Okay, okay.

I'm noting that in mind.

And when I'm on my little parental break, maybe I'll

fiddle around with some robots and see what happens.

You're going to come back from parental break being like, all right, here's the amount of games you can beat while holding

in one hand.

Yeah, yeah.

No, I love Armor Corsics.

I feel like that's what got me to become a gamer: getting that game and just falling in love with it and being like, wow, I can play games if I like them a lot.

Do you get into the customization aspect too, and like tweaking your little build and stuff?

Yeah.

Yes, I like change the colors and like name them after my friends and stuff like that.

Like, I have some friends who are twins, and like, I made my shotguns each one of their colors.

So

that's sick.

I'm going to give my friends to

shoot the bad guys.

It's awesome for you guys.

Oh shit.

I forgot to talk about Mecha Break.

Oh.

Oh, that's...

I've seen that's a big thing that people are playing.

Yeah, I did a stream of that as well.

Mecha Break is really fun, and it has that armored core speed and juice to it.

It plays a little bit more like Zone of the Enders.

Because of the dash on melee attacks, and you can just zip zap zoom

when uh when you're so like basically it's like if you wanted a armored core slash zone of the enders but like multiplayer experience um it yeah it does a really good job at that and there's slow robots there's fast ones you know there's some that are like you're turning into a jet and just like

just ace combating around the arena you know or you can just slow tank on the ground it's a lot of fun did this looks like my type of game what you should try it out woolly did you play the the Mash Mac mode?

I played all modes.

And yeah, it's really interesting how big and how nuts that goes.

And it's a great single-player feeling way to get stuff.

It's not single, but you play as a group PV-PVE.

I think it's...

Yeah, Kelly, have you played an extraction game before?

Have I played?

I don't think I've played any extraction game ever in my life, actually.

Because that's the new genre that's coming up.

It's supposed to save multiplayer or whatever.

But yeah, you throw eight robots onto a map that's like, I don't know, like 30 kilometers?

Humongous.

It's enormous.

Five minutes going from edge to center, maybe, you know?

You're fighting, you know, you're playing like through a single-player level of a mecha game, you know, invading bases and fighting mini-bosses and whatnot.

But there are seven other people on the map with you that can attack you and steal your shit at any given time.

Yeah.

But there's only five extraction points.

And extraction points can only be used once.

Yeah.

So you get, and you're a team of three, so you get a little bit of the Helldivers vibe of like, okay,

we're a squad.

One of my friends blew up.

I got to summon down

a rally point for them to get back in the fight, or I can like release everything I've picked up and send it back to base so I don't lose it if somebody else kills me.

Yeah, and it's a really cool way to kind of like level up your character outside of the multiplayer stuff, you know?

I was super impressed with Mecha Break, but

I had a feeling that I can only relate relate to one other game I've ever played in my life,

which was Rune Terra, the Riot card game.

Okay.

Because it was like, wow, this game is really cool.

And I had a really great time playing it.

Let's go look at the store.

Oh, I don't want to buy any of this.

I don't care about even a single item they have on the free-to-play store at all.

I'll be happy to play this for free forever.

Oh, no, are they going to be cooked?

Callie, I think I have a sell point.

Let me try it out here.

Okay.

There is a mecha in Mecha Break.

It's called Panther.

Panther has a very big drill.

And when you charge the button down, the drill charges.

And when you release it,

you drill into your opponents and you basically giga drill break them into the wall.

All right.

I'm sold.

And it's the sickest shit ever.

I'm in.

Right?

That's all you had to say.

A giga-drill is all you had to say.

A giga-drill break.

Yep.

Yep.

That's what I'm talking about.

Also, like when you're coloring them, like you literally go to the layout on the default of it and you make it default black into red.

And hey, guess what?

You're looking at your leg.

That's so awesome.

It's right there.

What the heck?

So, like, there are a lot of incredible mechs in that, but, like, I grabbed Welcome, which is the biggest melee one with the big axe.

Ah, yeah.

Puts you in the box.

I'm obsessed.

In the MOBAs I've played in the multiplayer games and the action games, the ability to play a multiplayer game and hit a button that says you are trapped in the box with me is my favorite ability ever.

It is so satisfying because

you can hear in your chest, like in your heart, your opponent just swearing as soon as the box encloses them.

It's yeah, there's a button that basically goes, hey, we're playing a team shooter.

Now it's a fighting game.

One-on-one.

Let's go.

You know?

You're in a tiny box and I have melee weapons and you're stuck oh

let's go and on that note uh I would love to hear about uh yeah your your journey into guilty gear a little bit and uh

you know

what pulled you it's a pretty pathetic story what pulled

oh let's go I want I want I want all of it I want all of it it's bad it's so bad let's go

No, there was one character that I saw that I liked and then I got pulled into the world of Guilty Gear.

That's the pipeline.

Was he perfect?

No, it's so embarrassing.

I definitely had a type of character that I liked, especially at that time in my life.

Don't judge me for the time of my life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, right?

Coming pre-Cope.

Yeah, I vaguely knew.

I say vaguely knew, but I own the games.

Blaze Blue, Blaze Blue.

I played some Blaze Blue.

Yep, yep.

And I I liked it.

I liked it.

I thought it was fun.

I think the characters are cool.

I didn't gravitate towards any characters.

They didn't like grip me from

a young, like, you know, fangirl perspective, you know, kind of thing.

Who's going to be my Oshi?

Who's going to be my favorite character?

Nobody really fully gripped me.

I kind of liked Jin because, you know, I'm into the, I like the cold personality.

Okay.

Asshole.

You know, archetype.

Asshole.

Yeah.

This is just kind of what I was into.

But beyond that, I was kind of like, eh, whatever.

And then with Guilty Gear,

I discovered it in a time where I really liked the glasses character archetype.

You're talking about fucking Bedman?

I think we're talking about Bedman.

Listen.

Listen.

Listen, I can defend myself.

It could have been Anjimito, but instead it's Bedman.

It's never Angie Mito.

I like Bedman.

I like his story.

I like him.

I like that he's a sleepy guy.

He's a sleepy boy.

He's a sleepy boy.

He's piloting a bed like a necklace.

He's a podcast title this week.

I like Bedman.

Come on.

I can't be the only one.

I can't.

I can't be the only one.

That character, in hindsight,

why did I choose that one?

Because he is such a technical character.

Oh, he's a weirdo.

He's not beginner-friendly at all.

At all.

No.

At all.

Yeah, he's a super weirdo.

But, like, if...

But I got pretty decent at playing him.

But the thing is, is something we talk about

a lot on this podcast is how much we love freak picks in fighting games, right?

We love the weirdo.

Bedman is such a weirdo.

He's perfect for that.

He's weird for me.

You see, I get that.

I understand.

I have no disillusions about him, but

I'm a Bedman fan.

There we go.

Suffice to say, you can maybe see why I wasn't super, super duper, like, as excited about trying out strive okay okay until recently until recently it's not it's not super recent it was kind of a while ago but you know kind of now I have a reason to be a little interested again because he's got you know some continuing lore I guess question mark bedman question mark yeah maybe bedman I don't know but I just like that guy a lot but because because I liked that guy I also got introduced to a ton of other characters that I love, like Johnny, for example.

Johnny's great.

I love Johnny.

Yep, yep.

Love Johnny so much.

So that's the thing is.

I vaguely dip my toes into him.

Yeah.

Because, yeah, that's what I was kind of getting at earlier, because I'm like, okay, here's how I know you're going to be fine.

Because I saw you

playing some Johnny matches, right?

And Pat.

And Pat, if I may, the exact quote is, stop blocking my fucking coin.

Oh, man.

Oh, yeah, no, you're right.

And I'm like, right, right?

And then,

yeah, and then

that energy right into at the end of the match.

All right, GG's, bro, GG's, you know, and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, no, GG's, dog, okay, we're good, we're good.

She'll be fine.

She's fine.

She's fine.

Like, that's me.

That's me, like, in the distance, just looking and going, like, and then I turn around and walk into the sunset.

Like, yeah,

she's got this.

No problems, detected.

It'll be fine.

Stop blocking my fucking coin.

I'm trying to have fun over here.

Why is my opponent making sure that I don't have fun?

Why?

I'm so good with the coin, clearly.

My deadbeats are so experienced and they know exactly what I'm trying to do

all the time.

They read me like a freaking book immediately.

I mean, the fun thing with that, with Guilty Gear in general, like it's such an easy, like, just show this to people who, again, not even music, character design-wise, all these things are just out there.

And, like, there's something for everyone.

You know,

you will find a character that pulls you in.

And, like, I feel like the strength you feel, as much as you feel pulled to one, you will find characters that you're like, get that away from me.

Oh, yeah.

Absolutely.

100%.

Mei, Totsugeki.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

I swear to God.

Run.

My friend knows how to beat me every time because I can't get past the freaking dolphin.

The dolphin.

I can't.

Girl, just block.

I'm trying.

I'm trying.

And while she's doing it to you, she's screaming at the top of her lungs.

So you got to hear it at max volume.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kuchi does.

Yeah.

So the whale.

There's an extra layer that some characters get into in certain fighting games where they're just like, we're going to also make the character's voice really, really great on you.

You know?

Oh, yeah.

I hate fighting jam, man.

Jam.

Athena in King of Fighters just keeps screaming, Psycho Ball, Psycho Shield, Psycho Sword.

and you're just like you're not gonna hear silence for any moment of this match it's an extra weapon against you uh hell yeah no shame no shame we don't in in in bed man that's a sick pick that's i love that

i mean i will i will say though like back in the day i i just i had such a such a hard time because i i wanted to try being a little competitive but i only ever played competitively once at like a convention

and i felt kind of proud of myself because like i'd been i'd been beating some of the other casual players that were around I was like yeah let's go like I beat them all right all right yeah

and then I get into the first match and you know what there was some level of bad luck here but there was just a skinny bald guy playing axolo and I'll never forget

and

he was real good because he perfected perfected me like twice and then I remember I got one hit in and I swear to God he like he like nodded like nice yeah yeah

oh and and then that was it owen two but it was close right right

in yeah nice all right all right like cool and then that dude went on to the the last round he was in the final round and you know what it was him versus bedman again and the bedman player won let's go that means you were like third place basically you know it if you really think about it yeah sick for sure get down to the math so yeah i never i never touched the competitive stuff after that.

Okay.

There's an old anecdote from my past.

What?

No, that's super sick.

Well, you know, it's always waiting for you.

You know, that game, Strive is there, and Bedman's in it.

And, you know,

you can chill with Bedman and Delilah, his sister now as well.

Delilah, yeah, exciting.

What about you, though, Willie?

Who do you play as?

So, who's your main?

I mean, okay, just in terms of like from going back to the older ones, like I have different

faves over the years.

I like one of the things that initially got me pulled in was

Justice, the final boss of the first game, had such a sick robot design.

I was like, oh, who's that?

You know, and

Cliff was like this old guy with like a big old guts kind of dragon slayer sword, you know?

Yeah.

But for years, I've been all about biking, you know?

Oh, I love biking, right?

Bikin, big face.

Just one arm, one eye, and no fucks to give.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So cool.

I love the relationship with Delilah, too.

Yeah.

They're cute.

They have a relationship now, exactly.

And while I was waiting for Baikon, uh, when she wasn't in the game yet, uh, in Exerc, I was playing Sin,

you know?

Oh, okay, okay.

So, like,

Sinny, complicated with a hunger meter.

Yeah.

I hated that so much.

He's a hungry boy.

You got to keep feeding him, you know?

I don't have to look at all that.

I'm trying to block Totsugeki.

I don't have to look at a hunger meter.

And

then I feel like

when Strive came out, they revealed Nago Ryuki,

our big black samurai vampire man.

And I'm like,

I'm like,

okay, cool.

We're in.

We're done.

We've locked it down.

This was made for me.

This is my Amigara fault.

This is made for me.

I'm locked in.

Pat, in the meantime.

You play one character in every game.

Yeah.

They just take different forms.

Yeah.

I see.

I want the biggest

grappliest guy you've got

in every single game.

You got Zengieve, you got Potemkin.

Yeah.

You got Hugo?

What do you got?

What do you got?

Potemkinkin.

The biggest one.

All day, every day.

In Street Fighter V, I played Abigail.

He's not even really a grappler.

He's just the biggest fucking guy on the roster.

Cool.

I want the biggest normal.

Like, I want to imagine if it was just a giant arm was selectable in a fighting game, you'd be like, yeah, that.

Yeah, absolutely.

Just

a bicep.

Bicep.

Singular human bicep.

Give him a 720 command grab.

Listen, I'm not good at combos, but I can do a mind game and grab you.

And that's where I live.

Yeah.

That's all you need for the casuals.

That's all you need.

Also, back in the day when we used to play, every time he landed a grab on anybody,

Pat would always reach up off the controller and touch his nose.

And it's still there.

And stronger now.

And it got to a point

when we were playing, and he'd like, an opening would be there, and I'd be like, don't touch your nose.

And he'd be like, oh.

Short circuit.

Yep.

Amazing.

That's cheating.

That's okay.

Hell yeah.

Okay.

Well,

let's jump into a couple of letters.

We got a few.

Oh, my God.

I hope there's at least one good question this week.

I love the people who listen to this podcast.

I just wish they wrote better letters.

All right.

Have you read some good letters?

I mean, they're trying their best.

They're not.

You know that for a fact.

I'm trying to be nice.

If you've got a letter,

you can send it in to castlesuperbeastmail at gmail.com.

That's castlesuperbeastmail at gmail.com.

Hey, look, you know,

if you just...

No

letter we're reading today.

No pressure whatsoever.

Uh, let's take one over here.

High expectations.

Oh.

Sky high.

Um.

Sky should be high, one of my favorite songs in Guilty Gear.

Anyway.

Oh, yeah.

Iron.

Which one is that from?

That is from.

That was not Exergard.

That's from Exard.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, did I miss that?

What's my favorite Exerd song?

Sky's theme, Magnolia Critical.

Oh, let's go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good shit.

No, no, no, no.

Daisuke Shiwatari.

I'm going to make a song with with you someday.

Daisuke Shiwatari, please.

He's awesome.

Oh, man.

Sorry.

Tangent.

No, no.

I mean, the music.

Tangent.

Daisuke is just one of those dudes where you're just like, okay, like, art, like, design, like, style, and making every game kind of based, like, stages are based on like metal album covers.

Yeah.

How fucking sick is that?

Baby and Damon, let's go.

Yeah, it's so good.

It's coming.

All right.

The future.

Who knows what the future holds, but

also your main character is just Freddie Mercury.

I mean, like,

right?

Straight up.

Iron Oki says, dear slash and bust,

thought of this question while finishing Ghost of Tsushima.

Some bosses aren't really a challenge and instead are a celebration of your kit.

What bosses are there just to make you push all the cool buttons

you gained along the way?

um hmm i feel

like

the victory lap you mean not the victory lap but the boss who like i guess you don't just fight them in one way it makes you want to or it encourages you to use a bunch of stuff you your character can do

i feel like a pretty straightforward one is virgil from devil may cry because um while you're fighting him he's changing things on you and like when you shoot your gun he kind of counters it with his sword.

You can taunt each other.

Like, it's a rival battle where the rival is kind of reacting to what you do a little bit, and it encourages you, I feel, to like use everything you have to fight him up to that point and have a big stylish fight.

Yeah.

Probably going to say

Mr.

Freeze from Arkham City.

Batman, okay.

That requires you to use a different move in your arsenal.

And then if you use,

if you like, sneak attack him through a wall or do a stealth takedown, he becomes immune to it.

Okay.

And then you have to use a different part of your kit on the next one.

Ah, okay.

So if you don't understand

your whole kit, you run out of ways to actually attack him.

Okay.

Interesting.

I almost...

I almost have an well, I feel like in Pokemon games, you can build a counter like, rival team and, like, whip them all out at the same time and then end with your starters.

Get Pikachu to level 100 and just sweep those fuckers.

That's the thing about Pokemon, is just get a Pokemon to level 100, and what does it matter?

Just grind.

True.

I still love it.

I still love it.

I think the one time that, I mean, I feel like this is a

super basic, casual, normie answer, but...

Coming from someone who was not a gamer, I did realize later on when I was playing Doom Eternal, some of the later

bosses in that game, I was like, wow, I have to use everything.

Yes, I was actually.

That's crazy.

I was thinking of it.

I didn't say it, but I was thinking of Doom Eternal.

Like at the end, it's forcing you to use your entire weapon system to get through that.

I struggled big time, was not used to that, but it was an interesting learning experience.

So I can't take credit for this, even though I talked about it on the podcast years ago, but because someone in the chat just mentioned it, but it was a great mention.

There's a character in Dishonored One called Dowd, and Dishonored One is a stealth action game.

Okay.

And the gimmick with Dowd is that he has many of the same powers that you do.

So the experience that I had is that I snuck up on him and used the time stop power, which stops time for you for 10 seconds, just like Dios the World.

But Dowd just turns to face you as soon as you turn it on.

Because he also has it.

Oh,

yeah, yeah.

About to be like, oh, this guy's cooked.

I'm just going to stop time.

Oh, shit.

And he just turns to face you and runs at you and attacks you.

Okay, like,

yeah.

It's like, holy fucking shit, dude.

Jotoro in the stopped time is

being shocked.

Yeah, yeah, no, that moment.

That's super cool.

That's so cool, actually.

Yeah, like, I didn't spend a ton of time with the JoJo fighting game, but in All-Star Battle, if you're Dio and you stop time and you're fighting against a Jotoro and he has enough meter, you can counter it and like unfreeze it and battle in the stopped time as a mechanic in the game, you know, like stuff like that.

Super cool.

More accurate.

Right on.

Okay.

That was a good email.

Thank you, person.

Thank you.

All right.

Let's take one over here.

Hello, Daddy, Big Daddy, and Bigger Daddy.

John here.

Hello, John.

Hi, John.

Years after your deaths, they create the ability to to revive dead people.

However, the only information they have is all of your social media on Titter, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook, etc.

No YouTube or VODs will be used for this personality.

Describe what the new you will be look like.

Will be like.

Oh, no.

This is terrible.

Don't do it.

No VODs.

Just Twitter

and

short posting.

yeah

um oh no okay real stupid person real idiot i will be

my my clone would be yelling about punch girls and um

you know

probably like yeah old tra like fighting game trailers and then every once in a while i'll start screaming out a streaming schedule

for no reason

it'd be weird just being an argumentative little shit

unlike the real me of course yeah

i feel like i would definitely not i mean i i barely reply to anything if i do it might be a piece of art wow so nice thank you yeah and then right after that it's like it's me being like today's stream and that's about it right okay it's so it's actually you just grabbing other stuff around you and just retweeting just throwing out other people's stuff and things.

Yeah, retweeting fan art, and that and then it's like today's stream we will be playing umamusume.

Let's go.

Like, that's it.

There you go.

Live now.

I don't like using social media.

I don't like it.

No, social media.

But you have to.

No, you have to.

You have to.

Streams are social media.

I mean, okay, then I'm fine with that, but anything else is the one exception.

I'm fine with the one that makes the money.

Yeah.

Dirtbag, muddy voice.

Corling mustache.

Disgusting army villain-esque

text-based ones I'd get rid of if possible.

Let's take one over here.

Dear Anime Girl Game Streamer, also Woolly and Callie.

Sick.

Hey, Agra Will asks, what's your favorite piece of niche

just nerdy gear that you use regularly?

He gives an example of, he's like, I'm not a watch guy, but I tracked down the

Seiko Camon Rider anniversary watch,

and I've been rocking that

regularly.

And that's a pretty cool Camon Rider watch, actually.

That's dope.

And also gives a shout-out to a pair of Aviat V1R Hen Hololive earphones.

Okay.

Yay!

Glad you're enjoying those.

Cool.

What's your daily, I guess, like, yeah, you know, nerdy merch or something that shows stuff off that you're a fan of?

Someone at a convention handed me this replica of the Resident Evil 1 armor key, which I hold sometimes during my streams to not throw up from anxiety.

Ooh.

That's cool.

Ooh.

Wow.

Well, you've got the sword key somewhere.

Somewhere.

Somewhere.

I regularly have my Ava Unit 1 shoes because I love me some purple and green.

It's a thing.

What I can't tell.

They're nice colors that they complement each other quite well.

And yeah,

I used to have a little tank on top of a Gurin Lagen drill necklace that

I was rocking for a bit there.

That was my thing.

Me too.

I still have that.

Yeah.

I just don't wear it.

Okay.

Yeah, same.

Anything, anything particular that

you like rocking?

I'm so casual.

I feel like all that I have that really even outs that I'm like a person who maybe has some nerdy interests is that like sometimes I'll just have like a regular bag and I'll be like, you know what?

I'll put a little keychain on this, like a little Pokemon, like enamel pin or something like that.

And like that that's really basically it.

I feel like in terms of like gear that I'm like rocking like outside, I guess.

But I feel like, I feel like I have a jacket or something like that.

It's got like a subtle anime design on it that I always get compliments on.

I'm trying to remember what it is.

But I feel like I have something like that.

Okay.

Oh, that's so cool.

Like, what was it?

There was, um, I had a pair of shoes that were like themed around initial D.

Nice.

Back in the day.

Okay.

People really liked those.

Oh, yeah.

Like, black and white.

Like a hatchiroku.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

i really like those shoes that's about it i uh part of the character design of like i guess what i used to do is i used to have a reboot pin from the old 3d show reboot uh uh on my hat back in the day that was kind of a thing

um that's cool and my early college years of like before it got translated when it was fan scanslations only i had a narrow toe headband on my bag and

and it was literally like oh like if you knew you knew but it was a pretty obscure thing at the time, I remember.

What are you talking about?

When I went to visit you in Montreal, you still had that thing in your back.

I still wear it.

Yeah, there you go.

And I still believe it's obscure.

Yep.

Oh, goddammit.

Naruto hurt me, Callie.

It hurt me.

It hurt everyone.

Everybody.

I think everybody's been hurt a little bit by Nago.

A little.

Can't eat a bowl of ramen without just having flashbacks, you know.

That's not possible.

All right.

And let's take

one more over here.

And

hey, boy dad and soon-to-be-girl dad.

Hey.

Natalie says, I've been watching a lot of speed runs on various video games recently and wanted to give it a try for myself.

Well, it turns out I'm not very well suited for it.

There's certain games that have little tricks that don't require a ton of effort and they're easy enough to perform in casual playthroughs.

For an example, in Resident Evil 2 Remake, if you have Leon or Claire at orange caution health, their default movement speed is faster.

They run faster.

Oh, that's cool.

So, my question is:

are there any games you've played where you use speedrun tech just to simplify or speed up any aspect of the game during a casual playthrough?

So, I was like getting ready to answer this question with the example given.

In Resident Evil 2 Remake, there's an armless zombie in the very first room of the game that, if it bites you, it brings you down a half a health state.

So you let it bite you twice to get down to orange caution and then start your run.

And you stay faster than usual.

It's just a little bit faster.

How much faster?

Just a little bit.

Okay, okay.

Interesting.

Just enough.

I will say,

also in RE2, a lot of the the bosses are actually faster to just knife to death than they are to fight.

Than to use weapons and ammo.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's actually legitimately faster to just knife them.

Wow.

Okay.

Because the knife has a fat hitbox and can hit multiple times.

So you just rack it up.

So there's one that comes to mind for me.

I love Mirror's Edge.

And

there's a particular glitch in that where it's tricky to do, but once you learn how to do it, you can just do it for fun casually, but it's very, it's a big part of speedruns.

And it's called a wall run kick glitch.

And essentially, in Mirror's Edge, when you run off the wall and do a kick, there's a moment where in mid-air, you're standing on an invisible platform for like one frame.

You know, and so if you are really, really sick, you can use that moment to double jump and make it further past obstacles you otherwise couldn't.

Oh, cool.

Yeah, so like getting that set up and like learning how to do it, like even when you're just playing for fun, lets you do kind of just fun things and like, you know, get further and clear things in a really sick way.

Yeah, Mirror's Edge for sure.

Cool.

It's kind of helpful.

Nice.

I feel like for me,

let's see.

I don't really, there's like only a grand total of one game I've ever sped run in my life.

And it's one that is so simple because it's just muscle memory.

Which is Jump King.

That's my game.

My game is Jump King.

I don't know it.

You know, Jump King?

Oh, man.

Jump King.

It's a rage.

It's a rage.

It's on sale.

Jump King.

Oh, my favorite game.

This is my game.

Oh, is it about jumping?

You jump.

Is it about breaking your controller?

Yeah, I mean, you might.

I've gotten close for sure, but the premise is there's a smoking hot babe at the top and you jump to the top of the map to get her.

That's it.

But I like simple.

I like simple speedrunning games.

There's less about like the tech of like the glitch of like jump here, etc.

And like I feel like it's a little over my head.

Okay.

I kind of like it where it's like, yeah, just jump perfectly.

You know, get get good.

Okay.

Good in three minutes.

I have to agree.

My usual thing for any game that I had to wanted to beat fast.

It's like, I don't want to break it.

I just want to to do it perfectly.

Exactly.

But I feel like the one thing, I guess the one thing that I do that I did find, I found, quote unquote, found it,

but of course the Deadbeats knew about it already, was the Dark Souls 3, you jump up a tree and you

get a nice thing.

Yeah, you get a nice little token early on, like the silver, silver

whatever.

You get to the top of the fucking room.

Yeah, you get to the top of the tree, and then you get some good shit that gives you more EXP.

That's it.

So

Pat, this is the

This is the part of the podcast where I point out that we almost went an entire episode without the youth exposing us as the boomers that don't know about a thing that everybody knows about.

But Jump King is a known thing and we just didn't know what it was.

And

this is this fine.

This has happened many times in the past.

And we, again, we were almost out of here, but then at the buzzer, it's like, bring up jump king.

Hold on, get exposed.

And we're like, what?

What?

Is that what?

Is that a fun one to play?

How does that one work?

I believe was the

definition of fun.

Two things.

One, this is the podcast in which our guests remarked, oh my god, it's crazy you guys are still alive.

And two,

you're a dad now.

That's the ultimate scapegoat for using it.

I get to use it.

I was busy doing the most important thing.

Right.

I was.

I dare you.

Okay, I have to.

I'm raising a future citizen.

I'm not used to using the child as a scapegoat yet.

Okay, that's perfect.

Not yet.

Yeah.

You know, you're out and about, you're at some function you don't want to be at.

Oh, you know what?

They're getting really tired.

They're going to get grumpy soon.

They got to take a nap.

We got to get out of here.

It's not because I'm lame and uncool.

It's because I got, it's the kid, you know?

We forgot their favorite sippy cup at home.

We're just going to have to turn around and leave.

I'm so sorry.

And then they get to be like, wow, what a good dad.

What a good parrot, you know?

Just

everything for them.

God damn it.

All right.

I got to learn the tech.

All right.

I mean, Maury Caliope, thank you so much for joining us.

This has been a great time.

It's been a pleasure being here.

Like I said,

I love you guys' stuff.

I mean, seriously,

so many wonderful, wonderful playthroughs, especially like, you know, Quanic Dream.

Oh, God.

Those, I spent so many hours watching those

stuff.

Yeah.

I can't believe those were miserable.

They were.

Like, they were a great time, obviously, but they were also horrible.

I mean,

there is a Quanic Dream office in the city I'm in, and I'm like, I'm not certain that our photo isn't on the wall if we were to walk in in there.

It's crazy.

You got to find out.

All right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you so much.

Here's a silly question.

Where can people find you and what are you up to?

You can find me on YouTube.

Just look up Maury Calliope channel and there I am.

I make music and I stream.

That's about it from me.

I'm just existing.

I'm the Grim Reaper.

I got lots of awesome dreams that I want to perform on some big stages.

If you guys want to come watch my journey and see how far we can go together, you are welcome.

Everybody is welcome to come hang out.

Especially game streams.

Those are my...

That's my off time.

That's my chill time.

I know people say streaming is

the number one job for a HoloGirl.

But at the end of the day, for me,

that's the chill fun part.

The music stuff is more the intense work thing for me.

It's still fun, but streams are where we chill.

Everybody's welcome.

It's very laid back.

I have an amazing community and everybody is welcome to join in.

So just check me out on YouTube.

If you want to follow me on Twitter, I don't know why you'd want to go there to that place, but if you want to, it's just at Maury Calliope and that's it.

At M-O-R-I-C-A-L-L-I-O-P.

And, and yeah, that's about, that's about it from me.

Right on.

Yeah.

You hear that, Wolves?

Not only is the new generation shocked that we're still around, but they're like, yeah, no, I'm working on real stuff.

I'm just doing your thing as my side shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so, Pat, here's the part where we plug ourselves on our own show.

Oh, on our own show.

Hey, if you came to this podcast to see Callie, you can go down to twitch.tv slash Pat Stairs at.

I stream five, six, seven days a week.

And in the near future, you'll be able to see Woolly return to his show

with new baby knowledge over at twitch.tv slash WoollyVersus or youtube.com/slash Woolly Versus.

Thank you very much.

In the meantime, we will be here at Castle Super Beast

while I'm on Dad Break.

But yeah,

that's where you can.

That's such a fun term because Dad Break, you're never going to have a Dad Break ever again.

Maybe when they're 25.

It's just at a certain point, the background screaming noises are allowed to be part of the streaming experience.

That's all.

We're getting ready for it.

Everyone's ready for it.

And also, sometimes the baby will cry.

Ha ha.

Thank you so much, Callie.

Deadbeats.

Thank you.

Take it easy.

What a good time.

Have a good week, everybody.

Take care, everybody.

We'll catch you on the flip side.