959 - The Bopper’s Lair (8/11/25)

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Speaker 2 Hello, baby.

Speaker 3 Yes, it's the big chappo second here.

Speaker 2 It's Monday, August 11th. Oh, you sweet thing.

Speaker 6 You know what I like.

Speaker 7 Chantilly.

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, that was, uh, I haven't done my big bopper intro to the show in a long time.

Speaker 2 You want me to what?

Speaker 11 Is that Mr. Ed?

Speaker 3 Do a podcast.

Speaker 13 Oh, baby.

Speaker 14 Yes, indeed.

Speaker 15 You all know what I like.

Speaker 20 And I'm busting out the bopper because today is, of course, one of those special episodes where we're joined again by the God King, Matt Chrisman.

Speaker 18 Hey, hello. How's my Big Bopper?

Speaker 22 Fine.

Speaker 23 Hopefully.

Speaker 22 Good.

Speaker 24 Have any of you guys watched Surviving Big Bopper on Lifetime?

Speaker 24 It's really harrowing.

Speaker 11 I was thinking the Big Bopper, right? He's like

Speaker 11 one-hit wonder.

Speaker 24 I mean, that's not fair.

Speaker 26 Oh, come on.

Speaker 24 He was killed in a color revolution when he was like 23.

Speaker 29 I think I would prefer to be dead and a one-hit wonder than have my life and legacy immortalized in that awful Don McLean song.

Speaker 32 That is true. That's terrible.

Speaker 19 I can't stand that song.

Speaker 35 Almost my nomination for the worst song ever written is American Pie.

Speaker 24 I've never seen a picture of Big Bopper before.

Speaker 24 he's awesome this was like a sex symbol this was like the sexiest man in america he looks like if a cur like uh one of those like fly-by-night korean uh sweatshop animation studios tried to do hank hill

Speaker 39 he's a classic doughy guy yeah

Speaker 42 like the crew cut too i love that he has like a crew cut as like a rocker you know the early rock and roll i feel like you you you mentioned the lifetime the harrowing lifetime series surviving the big bopper Bopper.

Speaker 46 How about a series by the Big Bopper called Surviving Air Travel?

Speaker 20 How about that one, folks?

Speaker 48 Be a short series.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he looks like, you know how you can look at some people and be like, that's a guy with a urinary tract infection.

Speaker 24 Like, I always, there was a computer teacher at my school who was one of those white-haired guys who is unfortunately like very red.

Speaker 24 A very early computer nerd look.

Speaker 24 And I thought, this guy is suffering every time he pisses uh

Speaker 24 big bopper is that way for constipation he is one of those guys where you look look at him and you go every morning when he wakes up he is engaged in a battle

Speaker 30 anyway uh let's let's let's start the show today uh look uh i'm planning to keep things uh pretty light pretty fun episode today but i uh unfortunately at the beginning of today's show as we have done uh so many times of recent note I do have to turn my attention and our attention to Gaza.

Speaker 58 And I would like to talk about the

Speaker 8 massacre of basically an entire bureau of Al Jazeera journalists in Gaza City yesterday, the most prominent of which is Anas al-Sharif, who was assassinated along with his whole crew yesterday in Gaza by Israel.

Speaker 30 I won't belabor any of the absurd calumnies levied against him to justify his murder or that of his crew.

Speaker 56 I won't belabor the continued silence and just sort of total turning of the back by every Western journalist about the ongoing mass murder of their colleagues, provided they are Palestinian and it's Israel doing the killing.

Speaker 7 But I would like to begin the show by reading basically his final will and testament.

Speaker 10 If these words reach you, Israel has succeeded in killing you.

Speaker 31 This is something that he wrote in June, just a few months ago.

Speaker 28 And I would like you to keep in mind when you hear this, that he was 28 years old.

Speaker 69 And I would just like invite you to try to imagine a context in your life where you would consider writing something like this before you even turn 30.

Speaker 60 So I'd just like to read a selection of his basically final will and testament. This is Anas al-Sharif.

Speaker 62 This is my will and my final message.

Speaker 10 If these words reach you, know that Israel has succeeded in killing me and silencing my voice.

Speaker 60 First, peace be upon you and Allah's mercy and blessings.

Speaker 36 Allah knows I gave every effort and all my strength to be a support and a voice for my people.

Speaker 60 Ever since I opened my eyes to life in the alleys and streets of the Jabalia refugee camp, my hope was that Allah would extend my life so I could return with my family and loved ones to our original town of occupied Askalan al-Majdal.

Speaker 60 But Allah's will came first, and His decree is final.

Speaker 10 I have lived through pain in all its details, tasted suffering and lost many times, yet I never once hesitated to convey the truth as it is, without distortion or falsification, so that Allah may bear witness against those who stayed silent, those who accepted our killing, those who choked our breath, and whose hearts were unmoved by the scattered remains of our children and women, doing nothing to stop the massacre that our people have faced for more than a year and a half.

Speaker 60 I entrust you with Palestine, the jewel and the crown of the Muslim world, the heartbeat of every free person in this world.

Speaker 69 I entrust with you its people, with its wronged and innocent children who never had the time to dream or live in safety and peace.

Speaker 31 Their pure bodies were crushed under thousands of tons of Israeli bombs and missiles, torn apart and scattered across the walls.

Speaker 73 I urge you not to let the chains silence you, nor borders restrain you.

Speaker 43 Be bridges towards the liberation of the land and its people until the sun of dignity and freedom rises over our stolen homeland.

Speaker 58 He continues, and I'd just like to say that he closes with, do not forget Gaza and do not forget me and your sincere prayers for forgiveness and acceptance.

Speaker 51 So,

Speaker 19 you know, once again, I wish I didn't have to start the show on such a somber note, but I just want to keep those words of his in mind when I just, you know,

Speaker 17 when you consider this ongoing courage and the ongoing complicity of our government and particularly politicians who are now looking for a way out of this, this.

Speaker 22 And by way out, I don't mean a stop to this, a way out for their own future political prospects and credibility.

Speaker 60 I mean, I'm thinking of Pete Budigej, who just appeared on Pod Save America this weekend,

Speaker 50 basically saying...

Speaker 23 I think that we, as Israel's strongest ally and friend, you put your arm around your friend when there's something like this going on.

Speaker 60 You know, As Israel's closest friend, I think it's time for us to put our arms around them and say, hey, maybe this is too much.

Speaker 77 And I'm just thinking, like, imagine you had a friend who killed one person, you know, would it be a time for you to put your arms around them and say, I don't know, hey, what can we work on together to make this happen?

Speaker 24 Yeah, like the, like the Gillette commercial.

Speaker 24 Like if that commercial took place in Dachau and you're like, okay, enough's enough.

Speaker 24 I also saw Ruben Gallago, who just voted against the amendment, the Sanders amendment to suspend all arms sales to Israel. Well, he wasn't there for the vote and said he would have voted against it.

Speaker 24 But he said, well, actually now I might have voted for it.

Speaker 24 And it's, I know that we've repeatedly referenced the,

Speaker 24 I think, very true sentiment that every day

Speaker 24 everyone will have been against this.

Speaker 48 But

Speaker 24 it's kind of shocking to see just how naked it is in real time.

Speaker 68 I mean...

Speaker 24 Budegeg is an interesting insight because he's an obvious 2028 candidate and he's trying to he's trying to ride the fence of being

Speaker 24 of like not correctly identifying Joe Biden as the perpetrator of a genocide while also,

Speaker 24 I guess, trying to acknowledge reality, but not really. I don't know how any elected Democrat, short of someone like Rashida Taleb,

Speaker 24 can reconcile any of this.

Speaker 51 Well, it's because like they're still trying to have it both ways.

Speaker 31 They still think that there's like some possible compromise or third way or nuanced, complicated position that they can hedge for themselves that will cover every angle of their ass in all future inevitabilities or outcomes.

Speaker 3 And there isn't.

Speaker 28 And like we all know this.

Speaker 36 And we all know the reason that they've been killing, they killed Anas and his entire crew, another journalist and three photographers.

Speaker 35 Basically, I said like Al Jazeera's entire bureau in Gaza City.

Speaker 31 We all know why they killed them and why they've killed hundreds of other journalists before this.

Speaker 36 They're removing witnesses before they, you know, engineer their final solution, before they engineer their occupation of Gaza City and the entire Gaza Strip and kill everyone in their way.

Speaker 43 We know this.

Speaker 81 They've been doing it openly, and they've claimed credit for this.

Speaker 59 So there's no need for an investigation into any of this.

Speaker 10 There's no need to ask them to account for themselves.

Speaker 30 They are doing this all quite openly because they've gotten away with it here up until this point.

Speaker 82 And they expect that they will continue to get away with it.

Speaker 63 And I have no reason to think that they won't, given at least in the short term.

Speaker 49 And as far as any like someone like Pete Bridjej, who's auditioning for 2028, or any politician who wants to weigh in on this, I mean, the only way to stop this is at the very, very least, a total economic, military, and cultural blockade of this feral genocide state.

Speaker 31 And very likely something much stronger than that, military action of some kind.

Speaker 57 Like, at the very least, if if you can't stop sending weapons to these mass murderers, then you saying, I think they've gone too far, or this is, quote, a humanitarian catastrophe, really doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 76 And you know it.

Speaker 24 There is just no way to acknowledge reality and not conclude that we need some type of like occupation and reconstruction of Israel, frankly.

Speaker 24 That there's just no future where you can allow the people who did this to operate unsupervised in any part of the world.

Speaker 89 Yeah, I just, I, I, like I said, when you, when you see an encounter, the continued defenses of Israel or like the increasingly farcical lengths to which they have to go to maintain a lockstep policy in the United States of unequivocal support for everything it does.

Speaker 49 I mean, like, I'm thinking, like, I don't know that you saw over the weekend.

Speaker 18 They were arresting like 80-year-old pensioners and like blind people in wheelchairs in the UK for holding just a placard that says, I support Palestine action, arresting them off the street.

Speaker 62 And I guess like the maintenance of this consensus or the maintenance of this policy by Western governments will continue to require ever more farcical and totalitarian measures to basically restrain the will of the populations of these countries and the force of the moral opinion of the world.

Speaker 90 And like, I guess, in some sense, I think you should be encouraged by the lengths of which they continually will have to go to keep this going.

Speaker 28 And I think the only thing left for us is to force them to do it.

Speaker 29 Because

Speaker 29 if you see this and you don't use the freedoms that you currently have, you're not going to have them in the future.

Speaker 28 And I can't guarantee that you exercising them now is any protection against their future removal.

Speaker 31 But if you don't use them and you don't make these people do every last fucking thing that they do to criminalize any kind of protest, boycott, or just simple acknowledgement of reality, then I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 24 Yeah, this is going to be a stain on all of us

Speaker 24 for as long as we live.

Speaker 24 This will be a stain on this country

Speaker 24 for as long as it lasts.

Speaker 24 Even just for purely selfish reasons, you do not want to remember this time

Speaker 24 and remember your actions in it.

Speaker 24 You don't want to remember yourself as having done nothing. and having not exercised that option when you had the chance.

Speaker 60 Like I said,

Speaker 85 I don't want to make the whole show about this, but I felt at the top of the show, it was very, very important to

Speaker 64 read the Last Will and Testament of a guy who, you know,

Speaker 28 in my opinion, displayed really unparalleled bravery and heroism in doing his job,

Speaker 29 being a witness and being a voice for the people of Gaza. And that's very much the reason he was killed.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 33 yeah, I don't have much more to go off of than that.

Speaker 31 So I will just say I'll awkwardly now and sheepishly shift gears, or at least attempt to, to

Speaker 71 a lighter topic, which is, of course, Jeffrey Epstein and the ongoing corruption of our government by a sexual blackmail network.

Speaker 42 Matt, let me ask you, what have you made of Donald Trump's ongoing attempts to, I don't know, close the book on Epstein and sort of declaim any involvement of himself or his minions in this troubling legal case.

Speaker 11 I mean, they're dabbing on it.

Speaker 21 Just straight up.

Speaker 11 Just straight up. They are dabbing hard.
It's a cosmic end zone dense. Like, you think out of power, you fucking suck, you idiot.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 Trump, you will expose the corruption. Ha ha.

Speaker 84 Losers.

Speaker 28 Hitting the gritty in the end zone very much.

Speaker 10 I did enjoy this

Speaker 41 article.

Speaker 34 There were some reports from over the weekend or last week that basically the Donald Trump Brain Trust was being assembled at like a weekend retreat to sort of, I don't know, strategize about what to do about this.

Speaker 17 This is from CNN.

Speaker 28 Top Trump officials discussed Epstein at White House meeting Wednesday night.

Speaker 81 A much anticipated meeting between Attorney General Pam Bondi, FBI Director Cash Patel, Vice President J.D.

Speaker 39 Vance, and others was moved from Vance's residence to the White House Wednesday night after intense media coverage.

Speaker 8 They discussed a number of topics, including the Jeffrey Epstein Epstein case and potential next steps.

Speaker 20 The administration's handling of the Epstein case, as well as the need to craft a unified response, was expected to be the main focus of the dinner. What a brain trust to assemble.

Speaker 86 Like,

Speaker 29 I need to get my attorney general and head of the FBI on the same page here about

Speaker 92 what's the company line on all of this.

Speaker 11 He's getting brain trust.

Speaker 87 I've been like,

Speaker 72 this is partially related, but like, it's only recently dawned on me that Cash Patel had, like, the only experience he had with law enforcement before becoming director of the FBI was being investigated by the FBI, which I suppose gives him some insight into law enforcement.

Speaker 20 But, like, how did this goggle-eyed freak, like, what was his deal before he became director of the FBI?

Speaker 31 Because I feel like everyone else in the Trump orbit, no matter how farcical their nomination to a cabinet position is, I feel like I kind of knew who they were.

Speaker 20 But, like, who the fuck, where the fuck did this Cash Patel guy come from?

Speaker 43 Felix, do you have any idea?

Speaker 24 Well, yeah,

Speaker 24 he was like a lawyer for, I think, someone on the Trump NSC or a lawyer for like the NSC itself.

Speaker 24 And his biggest claim to fame before this was, oh, he was chief of staff to

Speaker 24 Trump's Secretary of Defense, his last one, Chris Miller, for like two months. at the end of Trump one.

Speaker 24 But

Speaker 24 his main claim to fame was that he was at like a federal trial or hearing for January 6th, and the judge yelled at him for wearing a vest and not a suit, and then told him to go upstairs and put a tie on.

Speaker 24 And Cash went, yes, sir.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 24 I don't know. I guess that made a really good impression on people.
I don't know why, but

Speaker 24 yeah, now he

Speaker 24 gets the grand prize of going on Joe Rogan and being like,

Speaker 24 hey, you trust me, right?

Speaker 84 You have all the reason in the world to trust me.

Speaker 24 I would tell you if something weird was going on here.

Speaker 70 I think it was like Sean Hannity was a big fan of his.

Speaker 39 And I think he was the one who recommended him for the National Security Council.

Speaker 24 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 24 he didn't have as big of a profile as Dan Bongino, who was as

Speaker 84 a huge star before.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Bongino, he's a star. I want to be like Dan Bongino.

Speaker 48 Honestly, I don't know why he's.

Speaker 41 Why isn't Bongino the head of the FBI?

Speaker 42 Why isn't he the director of the FBI?

Speaker 82 Cash Patel should be in the basement working on the fucking X-Files or something.

Speaker 16 Like, this guy's a nobody.

Speaker 43 Get Dan Bongano in there.

Speaker 82 Bongino, Bondi, Vance, just a little dinner party to discuss, hey, what are we going to do about our boss?

Speaker 72 And

Speaker 80 his, you know, his past associations and friendships.

Speaker 47 But like I said, I have been enjoying all of the stuff that they're throwing out there to sort of move on from this.

Speaker 61 Trump's going to send the National Guard to Washington, D.C.

Speaker 39 or something, because Big Balls got carjacked or something like that.

Speaker 53 So now he's like, today they said all crime in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 55 is over.

Speaker 87 It will end now, which I think is that's always a good metric to set yourself up for success.

Speaker 17 Like if even one crime happens in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 20 over the next week or so, I think they will be conclusively revealed as frauds.

Speaker 65 And I expect everyone to abandon

Speaker 56 and sort of give up on their support for this criminal fraudulent administration.

Speaker 24 I mean like everything

Speaker 24 with Trump. It's a repeat of a repeat.
We already saw, I mean, I know it's different with like the question of DC's

Speaker 24 statehood and federal status, right? But I feel like we already saw this entire thing with like deploying the National Guard and then the Marines in Los Angeles.

Speaker 24 In that instance, it just sort of ended with a whimper because like neither the Marines nor the National Guard really wanted to be there.

Speaker 24 And it's just really isn't in their purview to act as like, I guess now like Judge Dredd for like major American cities. I don't know.

Speaker 24 It's just hard to like that is the curse of the Trump administration now is that just like anything they do, whether it was like previously planned or not, it is going to look like they're trying to distract from like Donald Trump going to like a dedication ceremony at the tomb of the the unknown soldier and just screaming, I'm not a pedophile during the moment of silence.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, one thing is certain.

Speaker 59 Epstein ain't going away.

Speaker 14 And the ongoing coverage of this has led to

Speaker 3 some good articles.

Speaker 60 Like I wanted to highlight this one from just last week.

Speaker 3 This is sort of from

Speaker 96 sort of a real estate perspective.

Speaker 66 You know how when you're walking around a neighborhood, you like to look at the houses and then go on Zillow and see like, gee,

Speaker 41 I wonder how much that house costs.

Speaker 43 I mean, I would say you would do that if you're a girl.

Speaker 19 But I've never done that personally, but I've noticed that girlfriends and wives love doing that.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 70 I'd like to share now with you.

Speaker 66 This is from the New York Times from last week.

Speaker 29 A look inside Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan Lair.

Speaker 29 Always good when the place you live is described as a lair.

Speaker 42 You know that you're...

Speaker 43 You're being remembered well.

Speaker 8 You're probably a good guy.

Speaker 35 You've certainly done nothing wrong.

Speaker 93 Says here, in his seven-story townhouse, the sex offender hosted the elite, displayed photos with presidents, and showcased a first edition of Lolita, according to previously unreported photos and letters.

Speaker 65 As a gift for Jeffrey Epstein's 63rd birthday, friends sent letters and tribute to the wealthy financier and convicted sex offender.

Speaker 75 Several shared a common theme, recounting the dinner gatherings that Mr.

Speaker 66 Epstein regularly hosted at his palatial townhouse on Manhattan's Upper East Side.

Speaker 70 Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel, and his wife noted, the great diversity of guests.

Speaker 31 There is no limit to your curiosity, they wrote in their message, which was compiled with others in January 2016.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he's chai curious.

Speaker 95 You are like a closed book to many of them, but you know everything about everyone.

Speaker 24 Yeah, by the way, you don't operate a blackmail ring for our country's intelligence agency, wink wink.

Speaker 82 I guess you could say a little bit of Uder is inside all of us right now.

Speaker 4 In fact, you might even say we just ate Uder and he's in our stomachs right now.

Speaker 4 Wait, scratch that one.

Speaker 95 It says here: the media mogul Mortimer Zuckerman suggested ingredients for a meal that would reflect the culture of the mansion.

Speaker 69 Soylent green, and a no, no, no, it says here,

Speaker 20 a simple salad, and whatever else would would in quote enhance Jeffree's sexual performance and my favorite of these reminiscence and the director Woody Allen described how the dinners reminded him of Dracula's castle where Lugosi has three young female vampires who service the palace

Speaker 22 what the come on man

Speaker 24 you might as well just be like By the way, that roast child we had earlier was delicious.

Speaker 41 Falling off the bone.

Speaker 101 Wait, Will, did you actually read the entirety of the Woody Allen letter?

Speaker 77 No, I didn't.

Speaker 101 I do have to point out that a big portion of the letter discusses both how the food was very bad, and then a little later it was about his wife complaining about how there were so little portions.

Speaker 37 Man.

Speaker 24 Sometimes Jewish people do stuff where I'm like, can you like bring it down a little?

Speaker 24 Like, other people can see this.

Speaker 69 Yeah, Woody writes here, dependably a fine dinner, but this was not always the case.

Speaker 95 In fact, the first time we came over, it was a very different story.

Speaker 79 We were invited with a list of accomplished types, men and women in journalism, TV, and even royalty.

Speaker 59 We were ushered up to the living room where everyone sat around prior to dinner being served and chatted.

Speaker 19 No drinks were served.

Speaker 69 You could get one if you asked for one.

Speaker 75 That should have been the first clue.

Speaker 73 Yeah, the first clue.

Speaker 94 When the meal was put out downstairs, it was meager.

Speaker 102 So meager, my wife, the one sitting next to her, kept mumbling, is this it?

Speaker 49 Is this all we're getting?

Speaker 42 After I leave, I may have to go to a restaurant.

Speaker 67 We didn't want to say anything when we came the next time, but when my wife did say in a tactful way that she has, there is going to be more food, isn't there?

Speaker 70 Under her badgering, the situation gradually improved, and subsequent dinners offered buckets of Chinese food ordered from a local restaurant and placed on a buffet where one could get in line and help oneself.

Speaker 84 That's really sick.

Speaker 11 Buckets of Chinese food?

Speaker 11 That's perverse.

Speaker 56 Back to the Times article, though, which includes this letter from Woody Allen.

Speaker 93 It says,

Speaker 93 since Mr.

Speaker 8 Epstein's death in federal custody in 2019, which was ruled a suicide, many mysteries about his life have remained unsolved.

Speaker 65 How did he amass a nine-figure fortune?

Speaker 59 And why did so many powerful men continue to fraternize with him long after he became a registered sex offender?

Speaker 72 At least one other MAGA luminary also visited the townhouse, Stephen K.

Speaker 47 Bannon, a former advisor to Mr.

Speaker 45 Trump, an online media personality, who has said that he videotaped hours of interviews in the mansion with Mr.

Speaker 103 Epstein in 2019.

Speaker 28 Framed photos of Mr.

Speaker 81 Banning, including a mirror selfie snapped by Mr.

Speaker 7 Epstein, were kept in at least two rooms in the mansion.

Speaker 87 The townhouse was one of five properties around the world owned by Mr.

Speaker 75 Epstein.

Speaker 52 After his release in 2009 from a Florida jail where he served 13 months for soliciting prostitution from a teenager, the mansion served as both a personal hideaway and a salon where he could hold court with accomplished intellectuals, scientists, and financiers, according to legal records and interviews with people who frequented the home.

Speaker 52 The visitors considered Mr.

Speaker 104 Epstein fun, smart, and curious.

Speaker 58 Another perk, getting to mingle with the young, attractive women who roamed the property and worked as his assistants.

Speaker 72 Like, that roamed the property like they were like buffalo on a ranch or something.

Speaker 24 Yeah,

Speaker 24 free-range sex slaves, I guess.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 98 Now, now we all know, I remember talking to you guys about this years ago, but it says, dozens of framed prosthetic eyeballs line the entryway.

Speaker 10 A sculpture of a woman wearing a bridal gown and clutching a rope was suspended in a central atrium.

Speaker 34 Yeah, the prosthetic eyeball collection is really,

Speaker 86 really curious.

Speaker 7 And like, especially considering all the allegations that everything was videotaped in this house and that there were security cameras everywhere.

Speaker 69 This sort of the entryway to the house showing you like dozens and dozens of glass eyes looking at you.

Speaker 73 Once again, a little on the nose for Mr.

Speaker 31 Epstein.

Speaker 19 But then again, like you said, like all of his dinner parties and like the birthday messages were like, we had such fun doing all the secret things together, Jeffrey.

Speaker 76 Life is indeed an enigma and a wonderful secret that we all must share.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 6 There was Mr.

Speaker 90 Epstein smiling alongside Pope John Paul II, Mick Jagger, Elon Musk, and Fidel Castro.

Speaker 48 Also pictured all our summers.

Speaker 26 The stars are here.

Speaker 24 Castro, that's it he doesn't have the internet thing

Speaker 24 you know like we gotta yeah

Speaker 24 he I don't know like maybe he thought it was like Frank Vincent or something

Speaker 50 I don't know like I yeah I don't want to he thought it was the Shah Varen you mean yeah yeah

Speaker 11 well Pope Jean Paul definitely has access to the internet though yeah that one

Speaker 24 that is um

Speaker 24 he's got to take accountability for that

Speaker 24 If he's in heaven right now, put him back in purgatory.

Speaker 32 Noam Chomsky was also in one of these photos.

Speaker 37 He fought.

Speaker 27 I don't know if the photos, but he definitely was, he was definitely at the apartment one time.

Speaker 31 I guess it was through the MIT or Harvard connections.

Speaker 17 I'm not sure.

Speaker 11 A cunning linguist.

Speaker 70 Nearby was the photo from 2000 showing Mr.

Speaker 103 Epstein with Mr.

Speaker 20 Trump and the future first lady, minus Ms. Maxwell.

Speaker 78 Next to that was a framed dollar bill signed by Bill Gates, possibly as payment of a bet.

Speaker 42 I was wrong, the Microsoft co-founder wrote over George Washington's face.

Speaker 80 I wonder what the bet was.

Speaker 11 You know, trading places, it's classic.

Speaker 86 Yeah, the $1 bet.

Speaker 42 I was just thinking about that.

Speaker 72 I was just thinking about the brothers. What were they?

Speaker 41 Mortimer and...

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 86 Up a grand staircase is Mr.

Speaker 103 Epstein's wood-paneled office featuring a massive desk.

Speaker 35 Photos show a taxidermied tiger lounging on a lush rug.

Speaker 52 In the office, according to photos reviewed by The Times, Mr.

Speaker 88 Epstein showcased a green first edition of Lolita, the 1955 novel, in which an intellectual develops a sexual obsession with a 12-year-old girl and repeatedly rapes her.

Speaker 67 Atop a wooden sideboard were more framed photos, including one of Mr.

Speaker 7 Epstein with Saudi Arabia's crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

Speaker 49 Okay, this one hurts, guys.

Speaker 3 This one hurts. Yeah,

Speaker 95 this is like finding out Matt Groening was on one of those flights.

Speaker 24 Yeah, this is...

Speaker 24 Your faves will be implicated.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 82 Another flight up on the third floor was Mr.

Speaker 102 Epstein's sanctum, a suite that included his bedroom, the mansion's infamous massage room, and a cluster of bathrooms.

Speaker 99 Several of Mr.

Speaker 10 Epstein's victims have said that the mansion was outfitted with a network of hidden video cameras.

Speaker 15 In the massage room were paintings of naked women, a large silver ball and chain, and shelves stocked with lubricant, according to photos reviewed by the Times.

Speaker 80 Mr.

Speaker 52 Epstein regularly directed teenage girls, some recruited from middle schools in Queens, to massage him while he was naked.

Speaker 7 No surveillance cameras were visible in the photos of the massage room.

Speaker 75 Going on here, it says here, the Times reviewed seven birthday messages given to Mr.

Speaker 59 Epstein in 2016.

Speaker 31 In addition to those from Mr.

Speaker 66 Zuckerman, Mr.

Speaker 70 Allen, and Mr.

Speaker 27 Barack, there were letters from the linguist Noam Chomsky and his wife, Joichi Ito, an entrepreneur who later would resign from MIT and the board of the New York Times Company because of his ties to Mr.

Speaker 50 Epstein.

Speaker 70 And Lawrence M. Krauss, a prominent physicist.

Speaker 96 Martin Noick, a Harvard biologist, contributed a science-themed poem.

Speaker 24 Oh, that's good. Can we hear the, like, can the New York Times isn't going to publish the poem? But not for the millions of Americans who love science?

Speaker 24 You know, young Sheldon just ended and people are kind of hurting.

Speaker 67 Do you think Neil deGrasse Tyson was like offended?

Speaker 82 He wasn't at any of these, any of these shintos? Yeah.

Speaker 24 I've always wondered, like, is Neil deGrasse Tyson, do other science guys consider him like entry-level?

Speaker 24 Because he's kind of like a character of a scientist because he he just gets on Twitter and he's like, oh, I was just reading the periodic table like I always do.

Speaker 69 Or like, I hate when he does these like pedantic corrections of movies.

Speaker 9 Like when like the movie Gravity came out, he was like, a more accurate title for this movie would be lack of gravity.

Speaker 18 And it's like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 84 I hate science.

Speaker 3 I hate science.

Speaker 21 I hate everything about it.

Speaker 24 That's just engagement baiting, though.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 50 Neil deGrasse Tyson posting

Speaker 66 a diagram of a hydrogen atom going, How many of y'all remember this?

Speaker 24 That is, yeah, that is basically what his output is.

Speaker 97 Just the last detail here from

Speaker 33 the letter of the letter writing collection in this article.

Speaker 20 It says, in their typed letter, Mr.

Speaker 75 Barack and his wife, Neely Priel, hailed Mr.

Speaker 27 Epteen as, quote, a collector of people.

Speaker 37 The letter concluded, may you enjoy.

Speaker 15 the letter concluded, may you enjoy long and healthy life and may all of us, your friends, enjoy your table for many more years to come.

Speaker 16 Think that was sort of a threat?

Speaker 24 By the way, see you at the child zoo.

Speaker 87 I like this detail, though.

Speaker 50 It says,

Speaker 96 it says, the townhouse, a stone's throw from Central Park, was sold to Mr.

Speaker 91 Epstein in 1998 by Leslie H.

Speaker 15 Wexner, the billionaire owner of L Brands. Mr.

Speaker 29 Epstein renovated and redecorated the mansion in an eccentric style.

Speaker 53 Yeah, it's Willy Wonka.

Speaker 98 And that eccentric Epstein style.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Never mind the oompa loopas.

Speaker 85 Don't ask what happened to Varuka Salt, by the way.

Speaker 22 And Violet Beauregard.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Like, I don't know.

Speaker 45 Like, Matt Felix, I'm just going to, like,

Speaker 50 what do you think will happen if he pardons Julaine Maxwell?

Speaker 19 At this point, I kind of just want to see it happen.

Speaker 21 Oh, well, yeah.

Speaker 24 I mean, to legally protect

Speaker 24 the show, I will use a euphemism.

Speaker 24 I think one of his supporters will get bored again.

Speaker 84 Remember Stuart Rhodes, the Ove Keepers?

Speaker 21 Like,

Speaker 11 you know, the iPash or whatever? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 He, like, throwed the book out of here, like, insurrection or whatever.

Speaker 11 He's riding in the jail cell as we speak, and he's reached down to the power of the pardon and fucking pardoned at Ghislaine, Maxwell. That is dabbing the height of never seen.
That is amazing.

Speaker 11 It's like Michael Jordan.

Speaker 25 It's like unbelievable.

Speaker 37 Master class.

Speaker 14 Greatness. We are witnessing greatness.

Speaker 11 Yep, exactly.

Speaker 24 Do you think that it would be because there would still be guys who are like, nope, still on the Trump train. Like a lot of people.

Speaker 96 Well, most of them, to be honest.

Speaker 105 One of them may get bored.

Speaker 14 One of them may need some stimulation, you know, in a video game.

Speaker 24 I think that some of the people who get bored, it's still, they're still going to be like coping. And it will be like...
Clearly, President Trump got possessed by a pedophile.

Speaker 24 And we have to do an exorcism on him.

Speaker 76 Hey,

Speaker 31 I'm only directing my boredom at one of his clones.

Speaker 87 The real Trump is still out there.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 82 Well,

Speaker 18 speaking of boredom and

Speaker 44 things you can do with your brain, I have

Speaker 35 two articles here that have been compiled over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 16 Obviously, we've...

Speaker 70 We've seen a lot of reporting, and we talked about this on the show, of people who have driven themselves insane by talking to the computer, like through AI, right?

Speaker 77 But most of these people are just, you know, random oops, nobodies who think that like, you know, the angel Gabriel is sending them messages through their, you know, AI therapist or something like that.

Speaker 73 But I have been encouraged to encounter two stories of like the actual people designing and creating and making money off of all this bullshit who are also driving themselves insane by talking to a computer.

Speaker 65 And like there's just two quick articles I want to do of two different tech CEOs who seem to have given themselves some sort of madness from

Speaker 42 some sort of computer madness.

Speaker 31 And I would like to preface this by saying, out of all of the ways that you can lose your mind, like, you know, trauma, drug addiction,

Speaker 69 brain injury, late onstage schizophrenia, driving yourself insane with chat GPT is the most ignominious of all of them.

Speaker 42 It's the most embarrassing.

Speaker 9 Like, there really is.

Speaker 99 There's no excuse.

Speaker 54 And if this happens to you, it's because you're spiritually and mentally weak.

Speaker 9 I would like to make that very clear.

Speaker 24 Yeah, no, I don't know how this hasn't happened sooner if that happened to you. Like if you're a real, like, I don't know.

Speaker 86 It's like if you had a parrot that drove you insane.

Speaker 31 Yeah.

Speaker 37 Like that would be more.

Speaker 24 It's like if you killed your family because Clippy told you to.

Speaker 24 It's like the fact that

Speaker 24 this is happening to CEOs, like that's how you know the economy is all flim flam.

Speaker 11 But it's interesting, though, because because it's like class line right ai you know classy rich whatever you know and lumping you know like working class middle class and just feral terror of like they're gonna get me oh my god it's just just scaring you know that's just bedtime stories flashlight under the chin campfire as ai again high uh income and ms13

Speaker 57 yeah i mean at least ms are like real people that could potentially cut off your limbs with machetes or throw a grenade and roll a grenade into your front door.

Speaker 27 But ChatGPT, okay, like I'm going to begin here with,

Speaker 82 this is the former CEO of Uber, Travis Kalanik.

Speaker 102 He says, on a recent episode of the All-In podcast, Travis Kalanik, who resigned from the ride-hailing company in disgrace in 2016, 2017, spoke rapturously about his experience using chatbots like ChatGPT and Grok.

Speaker 96 That's when he revealed his sincere conviction that he, a mere college dropout, was on the verge of achieving a breakthrough in physics just by probing the AI models.

Speaker 20 Quote, I'll go down this thread with GPT or Grok, and I'll start to get to the edge of what's known in quantum physics.

Speaker 6 And then I'm doing the equivalent of vibe coding, except it's vibe physics, Kalanix says, as spotlighted by Gizmodo.

Speaker 20 And now, Felix, actually, one of my favorite things that you've talked about is one of the best ways you can lose your mind is by doing math, is by being smart enough to understand advanced mathematics that it drives you insane, like, you know, John Nash or something.

Speaker 87 But, like, Travis Kalinek is a fucking high school dropout.

Speaker 99 Like,

Speaker 88 you are not unlocking the secrets of quantum physics by talking to the computer, bro.

Speaker 45 There is no such thing as vibe coding.

Speaker 99 Like, you don't understand the math.

Speaker 105 You can barely do long division.

Speaker 97 So

Speaker 92 you are not Albert. You're not fucking Oppenheimer here

Speaker 8 creating the atom bomb by talking to the computer.

Speaker 24 Yeah, this is like the STEM equivalent of the guys who say they've come up with a foolproof way to disarm an armed attacker.

Speaker 24 Like that they've sought, like that they've unlocked the secrets of the 21-foot rule.

Speaker 98 He goes on here, and we're approaching what's known, he enthused, and I'm trying to poke and see if there's breakthroughs to be had.

Speaker 14 And I've gotten pretty damn close to some interesting breakthroughs just doing that how would you know yes you know like yeah like like do you know how much math you have to know to like even begin to understand quantum quantum physics the um robber barons of you know centuries past

Speaker 24 They at least, like, they would actually go insane trying to learn this stuff. And then,

Speaker 24 but they would end up like building, building a library or like contributing their entire fortune to the study of like nascent quantum physics.

Speaker 24 These guys just like sit on an iPad and they're like, yep, solved it. And it's justified field theory of everything.
I did it.

Speaker 29 The fucking arrogance of this nitwit who's like claim to fame was becoming a billionaire whose genius idea was like, what if we got rid of, what if we made taxi drivers like more expendable than they already are?

Speaker 84 You know, like,

Speaker 58 he invented taxis that you can get on your phone.

Speaker 69 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like Da Vinci, Oppenheimer, like, you know, he's not approaching anything close to that.

Speaker 24 But he goes on to say, what does he think is like the obstacle that prevents like actual renowned

Speaker 24 physicists from doing this?

Speaker 39 Well, they're not using Grok.

Speaker 66 They're not talking to Grok and vibing.

Speaker 24 They're not unemployed in using Grok on their iPad.

Speaker 9 Well, yeah, well, no, like he actually answers this question.

Speaker 106 He says, Kalanik appeared to have a special affinity for Elon Musk's Grok, which was embroiled in controversy earlier this month after making posts calling itself Mecca Hitler.

Speaker 87 It says here, I pinged Elon on it at some point, and I'm like, dude, if I'm doing this and I'm super amateur hour physics enthusiast, Kalinek said, per Gizmodo, what about all these PhD students and postdocs that are super legit using this tool?

Speaker 28 He did not leave us hanging in suspense.

Speaker 72 Grok 4 could be this place where breakthroughs are actually happening, Kalinek said.

Speaker 18 New breakthroughs.

Speaker 20 Kalinek appears to be parroting the spirit of claims made by Grok's creator, Musk, upon the release of Grok 4 last week, the smartest AI in the world.

Speaker 49 Musk promised that Grok would not only discover new technologies within the next few years, but new physics.

Speaker 67 Incredibly, this was only a minor escalation in his original promise that Grok will be a maximum truth-seeking AI that will unlock the true nature of the universe.

Speaker 24 The Big Bang all started when a white farmer was killed.

Speaker 86 Shoot the boar, shoot the farmer.

Speaker 4 You know, by the way,

Speaker 18 when that whole kill the boar stuff happened,

Speaker 9 I finally saw footage of those big political rallies in South Africa where they're like, kill the pharma, shoot the boar.

Speaker 7 And I got to say, it was awesome.

Speaker 76 I'm like, we need that here in this country.

Speaker 20 Kill the AI.

Speaker 42 Shoot Grok.

Speaker 42 That's what I'd like to see.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I watched a really great interview. I've seen so many great interviews of white EFF members.

Speaker 24 Those are my guys. I love those.
Love those people.

Speaker 90 All right, the next one here is prominent open AI investor appears to be suffering a chat GPT-related mental health crisis, his peers said.

Speaker 51 Article begins, Earlier this week, a prominent venture capitalist named Jeff Lewis, managing partner of the multi-billion dollar investment firm Bedrock, which has backed high-profile tech companies, including OpenAI and Versal, posted a disturbing video on X from Lee Twitter that's causing significant concern among his peers and colleagues.

Speaker 31 Quote, this isn't a redemption arc, Lewis says in the video.

Speaker 29 It's a transmission.

Speaker 56 For the record, over the past eight years, I've walked through something I didn't create, but became the primary target of.

Speaker 81 A non-governmental system,

Speaker 73 not visible, but operational.

Speaker 8 Not official, but structurally real.

Speaker 45 It doesn't regulate, it doesn't attack, it doesn't ban.

Speaker 15 It just inverts signal until the person carrying it looks unstable.

Speaker 87 I mean, like, you know, I actually like, I think I need to revise this a little bit.

Speaker 53 Like, it's saying, like, chat GPT or AI drove him insane.

Speaker 8 This just sounds like he's smoking meth.

Speaker 17 I mean, this just sounds like he's a tweaker.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah. It's like, plus methamphetamine, of course,

Speaker 84 times Rokobacillusk

Speaker 21 equals just mental breakdown.

Speaker 79 It says here, in the video, Lewis seemed concerned that people in his life think he is unwell as he continues to discuss the non-governmental system.

Speaker 8 It doesn't suppress content, he continues.

Speaker 45 It suppresses recursion.

Speaker 15 If you don't know what recursion means, you're in the majority.

Speaker 69 I didn't either until I started my walk.

Speaker 8 And if you're recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you.

Speaker 104 It reframes you until the people around you start wondering if the problem is just you.

Speaker 103 Partners pause, institutions freeze, narrative becomes untrustworthy in your proximity.

Speaker 8 Lewis also appears to allude to concerns about his professional career as an investor.

Speaker 5 It lives in soft compliance delays, the non-responsive email thread, and we're pausing diligence with no follow-up, he says in the video.

Speaker 49 It lives in whispered concern.

Speaker 29 He's brilliant, but something just feels off.

Speaker 8 It lives in triangulated pings from adjacent contacts, asking veiled questions you'll never hear directly.

Speaker 94 It lives in narratives so softly shaped that even your closest people can't discern who said what.

Speaker 8 I mean, this is just drug addiction.

Speaker 3 Like, this is kind of sad, actually.

Speaker 50 This is like, yeah.

Speaker 80 Yes, all your friends are talking about you behind your back.

Speaker 28 The system I'm describing was originated by a single individual with me as the original target.

Speaker 106 And while I remain its primary fixation, its damage has extended well beyond me, he says.

Speaker 89 As of now, the system has negatively impacted over 7,000 lives through fund disruption, relationship erosion, opportunity reversal, and recursive erasure.

Speaker 87 It's also extinguished 12 lives, each fully pattern-traced.

Speaker 84 Get a job.

Speaker 11 Shut the fuck up and get a job.

Speaker 22 Like a Walmart reader or whatever.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 84 Would anyone with a real job have the time to do this shit and discuss the recursive non-government entity?

Speaker 2 Dude, this is just mission impossible.

Speaker 27 Matt, he's talking about the dang entity.

Speaker 32 Yep, it's true.

Speaker 85 It's an entity.

Speaker 100 We live in the, Ethan, we're living in the entity's reality now, and it's a non-governmental system that's using recursion to soft-block me on all social media platforms.

Speaker 11 Well, you know, all TV, basically, all movies, you know, just it's like, just you're scaring yourself. It's okay.
Just take a deep breath. I'm sorry you got fired.
I'm that's a bummer.

Speaker 26 But, you know, just go for a walk.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 75 I think you're right, Matt.

Speaker 8 Amphetamines plus computer equals madness.

Speaker 64 Yep.

Speaker 72 And like, yeah, there should be, there should be a warning label on every bag of meth you purchase do not use in conjunction with chat gpt

Speaker 36 but yeah there are no there are no secret vistas of reality that the computer will unlock for you unfortunately especially if you are the former ceo of uber

Speaker 28 now uh to close out like my portion of the show here i i chose this one because it won't make felix mad but also because i think it is a perfect pairing with what we discussed at the end of thursday's episode which is the ongoing trad wife neo-nazi flame war that is embroiling a racist white woman Twitter.

Speaker 46 Matt, if you're unfamiliar with this, the trad wives have gone feral, and they're accusing each other of miscegenation, having AIDS, and just generally being broke-ass hoes who give it away for free, and getting fingered

Speaker 29 in a Marriott hotel lobby during TPUSA convention.

Speaker 20 So just with that little preface, I'd like to read this by Pamela Paul, featured in the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 42 The conservative women who are having it all.

Speaker 20 Yeah,

Speaker 39 they're getting finger blasted in hotel lobbies.

Speaker 24 By Dominicans and whites.

Speaker 64 God, I remember

Speaker 58 back in my former career, I managed to alienate Pamela Paul, who was then head of the New York Times Book Review, by referring to her as a neoconservative on Twitter.

Speaker 8 So that's when I knew I was probably not long for that career path because I had already managed to, as an editor at a New York City publishing house, alienate the head of the New York Times Book Review by accurately describing her politics.

Speaker 49 And like, keep that in mind about Pamela Paul is that also she used to be married to Brett Stevens.

Speaker 100 She's the former Ms.

Speaker 87 Brett Stevens.

Speaker 53 But

Speaker 43 she claims that she is in no way a neoconservative and

Speaker 36 can't be tarred with that brush by an obnoxious editorial assistant.

Speaker 96 So this is from the Wall Street Journal, Pamela Paul, the conservative women who are having it all.

Speaker 82 According to the gospel of TikTok, conservative women are a mix of

Speaker 11 abort, abort.

Speaker 49 According to the gospel of TikTok, conservative women are a mix of trad wives, pro-natalists, and wide-eyed aspirants to the princess treatment.

Speaker 86 But a very different ideal looks more like May Mailman.

Speaker 66 an over-full-time working mother whom others on the right speak about with awe.

Speaker 80 At 37, Mailman is the deputy assistant to Donald Trump and his senior policy strategist at the White House.

Speaker 106 Pregnant with her third child, she flies home to Houston on Friday nights to spend the weekend with her family.

Speaker 104 Once, she gave a major interview one week postpartum, terrified she'd leak on camera.

Speaker 8 Her first child, not yet three, can I have some?

Speaker 47 Has already been on 14 flights.

Speaker 92 People say to me, when you're home, I hope you can really connect with your kids.

Speaker 75 And I'm like, you're crazy.

Speaker 70 When I'm I'm home, I'm constantly attached to my phone, mailman said in an interview.

Speaker 4 Oh, good.

Speaker 87 So, okay, it's good to know she's still

Speaker 33 getting some mothering in there and not just, you know, sort of alienated from her three children.

Speaker 75 During the week, her nanny and her husband, David, who owns a tree-moving company, get the kids out of jail.

Speaker 37 What the fuck?

Speaker 24 That is like a caveman small business. We need move tree.

Speaker 24 Who owned tree mover?

Speaker 25 Me move tree.

Speaker 24 Me make three shiny rock a year from move tree.

Speaker 42 Mailman's husband, who owns a fire starting company.

Speaker 3 Quest for fire industries, LLC.

Speaker 24 Mailman's husband, who's employed as the loudest shouter in his clan cave.

Speaker 27 Yeah, it says, during the week, her nanny and her husband David, who owns a tree tree-moving company, get the kids out of bed, change their diapers, bathe and feed them, and put them to bed while making sure to run the dishwasher.

Speaker 31 Yes, Mailman is missing out on much of her kids' early years, but she doesn't second guess or feel guilty about her choices.

Speaker 8 She feels lucky.

Speaker 15 I don't have a victimhood mentality, she said.

Speaker 79 You have to exert a certain locus of control and focus on the things you can handle without obsessing over what you can't.

Speaker 27 In theory, I would love to be a trad wife, Mailman said.

Speaker 102 When I wrote down qualities I wanted in a husband, one was to make more money than me because I wanted the freedom to stay home so that I wouldn't feel trapped.

Speaker 86 And that's who I married.

Speaker 49 Maybe conservative women don't feel as conflicted as progressive women because we structured our lives from the get-go so we could potentially do both.

Speaker 20 All the while

Speaker 85 structuring everyone else's lives so that's impossible.

Speaker 24 I love how she says victim mentality when the central question is kind of, it should be more like, hey, are you just like fucking around on your phone instead of raising your kids?

Speaker 24 You know, that's not like feeling bad about that isn't a victim mentality. It's just a basic concept of shame, the thing you should have.

Speaker 94 Cesira, the much-heralded and often disputed idea that women can have it all is often seen as a liberal ideal, while being a housewife, or as it's known now, a stay-at-home mother, is upheld as a conservative one.

Speaker 69 But while opinions on how the other side things can veer towards caricature on both ends of the political spectrum, real life is more complicated.

Speaker 67 For most women, whatever their politics, housewifery is a non-starter.

Speaker 97 Outside a wealthy elite,

Speaker 103 a two-income household is just economic reality.

Speaker 94 But another reality is that many women, conservatives, and liberals alike, genuinely want a career, whether for their sense of self or their desire to contribute financially or as a way to pursue their passion.

Speaker 14 Conservative women tend to see their lives in a different light.

Speaker 87 In interviews with over a dozen high-powered conservative women, they said that the trad wife lifestyle was never a choice they seriously considered for themselves.

Speaker 86 No shit! Wow, that's fucking shocking.

Speaker 15 You don't want to be churning butter all day when you can be on TV?

Speaker 70 This past decade has seen the rise of many conservative women in high-profile jobs in government, the media, and corporate America.

Speaker 9 There's Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former South Carolina Governor Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, and Senator Katie Britt of Alabama, all have high-pressure jobs while raising a family, despite having financial resources that gave them the option not to work.

Speaker 24 Senators, a high-pressure job? John Fetterman does it.

Speaker 24 It's his second job ever.

Speaker 27 Late last year, a White House

Speaker 17 press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, returned to work just four days after giving birth when Trump announced his candidacy.

Speaker 58 I would reject that you can't be a good mom and be good at your job, Levitt said on a recent podcast.

Speaker 5 It's not for everyone, and it takes a lot of work and will and and faith and prayer.

Speaker 43 And it's hard, but it can be done.

Speaker 105 You're not doing it, though.

Speaker 24 Like you're fucking on your tablet while your kid is sprinting into a wood chipper.

Speaker 45 Carolyn Levitt is one in particular because like she brought her kid to the White House and like I saw a lot of conservative accounts promoting it and being like, finally,

Speaker 95 we're not demonizing motherhood.

Speaker 20 And there was another post that like, it was Tim Tebow Tebow, and it was a recent photo he had of his infant, his newborn child, like on his chest while he's like typing on the computer.

Speaker 15 And the comment was, finally, someone is humanizing fatherhood, like and making it cool to have kids again.

Speaker 105 I'm like, at what point was like, was motherhood or fatherhood not like like demonized or like not humanized?

Speaker 27 Like I don't get what they're talking about.

Speaker 7 And also the

Speaker 53 Felix, your brother made a very good point where it's like, Tim Tebow's job is throwing a football, not being on computer.

Speaker 70 So it's really not that impressive.

Speaker 27 If he had the kid on the field with him,

Speaker 38 that'd be one thing.

Speaker 24 I mean, a lot of his coaches probably wanted to resort to that by the end of his career.

Speaker 21 And I don't like that.

Speaker 87 This article goes on for a long, long time.

Speaker 78 I'm not going to read all of it, but it says here, conservative women are firm in their belief that childbearing is a big part of womanhood.

Speaker 91 To their mind, feminists, progressives, and contemporary gender theorists have de-emphasized, even denied sex differences in a way that don't reflect their lives or worldview.

Speaker 42 According to Carrie Lucas, president of the Independent Women's Forum, a conservative think tank and mother of five, conservative women don't tend to wring their hands over how their roles differ from those of men.

Speaker 53 In lieu of the gender neutral parent, they reflexively use the words mother and father.

Speaker 104 They believe that the maternal impulse fundamentally shapes women's priorities.

Speaker 20 But like the previous 10 paragraphs of this article were about these women who see their kids like twice a week for a few hours

Speaker 66 while they're also on their phone catering to the whims of Donald Trump.

Speaker 24 Yeah, it just they just sound like the like the lib career women they hate, but

Speaker 3 they're not racist.

Speaker 24 So just like through osmosis, their kids have a good childhood. By absorbing like their like racism radiation.

Speaker 64 Yeah.

Speaker 75 There is absolutely the only difference in the rhetoric between this and like girl boss like corporate feminism is the word mother and father and like some vague stab at traditional gender roles.

Speaker 9 But like the gender you know like the traditional gender roles would require require you not to be a senator or have a podcast or be on TV or be a fucking influencer or be pitching anything on TikTok without the approval of your husband.

Speaker 24 Or, I mean, like, even then, like, even if you do have those jobs, not just like spending every waking moment on candy crush or like talking to a guy in Malaysia who's pretending to be Jennifer Anniston.

Speaker 97 In the governor's office in Little Rock, Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders recently implemented a Bring Your Baby to Work program that allows mothers and fathers to bring their kids to the office during their first six months.

Speaker 104 The goal is to help ease the transition back to work so that employees don't feel like they have to constantly choose between work and parenthood.

Speaker 7 State employees get 12 weeks of paid maternity leave.

Speaker 9 So the Bring Your Baby to Work program is basically a way to get out of giving people maternity leave.

Speaker 14 You just bring your infant to the office.

Speaker 101 Didn't Arkansas just also like re-legalize child labor?

Speaker 9 Yes, yes, indeed they did.

Speaker 64 Indeed, they did.

Speaker 41 Great.

Speaker 101 Well, you can send your kids to the mines or take them to work. Either way, we're going to get those babies in the office.

Speaker 8 I don't have much more about the conservative women having it all.

Speaker 78 I just find that they're like, now that they

Speaker 71 have like taken advantage of all of the opportunities that feminism or just like the women's rights movement have afforded women to be like full members of society and not only seen as mothers or caregivers or housewives.

Speaker 47 They want to take full advantage of that while also claiming that they are also like housewives and mothers and traditional.

Speaker 87 And it's just like, I don't know.

Speaker 50 I just like it's the hypocrisy of it is all a bit galling to me.

Speaker 67 Like there's nothing wrong with being a mother.

Speaker 59 There's nothing wrong with working if you're a mother.

Speaker 71 In fact, most people don't really have the option, you know, to only stay at home.

Speaker 31 But it just seems like it's just they want maximum like,

Speaker 92 I don't know, thanks and gratitude from everyone for working all the time and not being around their kids, but also demanding other people, you know, do differently.

Speaker 96 I just don't get what these women want.

Speaker 27 What do conservative women want?

Speaker 41 I guess is my question.

Speaker 83 To have an article written about it.

Speaker 41 All right. Well,

Speaker 97 I don't have anything more for this episode, but I would like to turn things over to you, Matt.

Speaker 20 Matt has prepared another poem for us this week.

Speaker 56 based on what we discussed today.

Speaker 18 So without further ado, I'd like to turn things over to Matt Christman for another poetry reading.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 11 Will asked me, you know, what do you make of it? The dabbing, you know?

Speaker 11 Tough to, you know, put it into the words, the just surreal and mocking.

Speaker 64 So fortunately, I written a poem.

Speaker 11 A collection of people.

Speaker 11 An eerie paw reaches out with bony talons, scratch it out. drawing opening veins, flowing north to ply, to seduce.
a murmur of commerce, draining the waters in the Atlantic.

Speaker 11 The canine bites to drain the vitality, to drink the life of trade. There stands Dracula Castle, a stately townhouse decree, a cabinet of curiosities.
Wait, that's not it.

Speaker 11 How about disembodied eyeballs to hold security cameras? Wait, that's not it.

Speaker 11 How about the taxi-me tiger posed in a monument to mastery to trap young things? Wait, that's not it.

Speaker 11 In fairness, it's hard to conjure a metaphor for a dracula's fucking castle.

Speaker 11 The hanging bride hanging at the atrium atrium as in heart?

Speaker 22 Come on.

Speaker 11 Top minds, journalists, physicists, financiers, writers, Chomsky, Woody Allen, all hard at work to create the perfect metaphor. Because what is metaphor? But a symbol.
A symbol to build.

Speaker 11 Fueled by funding for Black Rock.

Speaker 2 Black Rock?

Speaker 84 Are you kidding?

Speaker 13 How can you top that?

Speaker 11 The dance of capital, revitalizing. No wait, that's not it.

Speaker 18 Fuck!

Speaker 18 Bolsheviks would be buffaloed.

Speaker 11 The scalpel frozen, undecided where to cut first. The scalpel lowered into the weight of the symbols.
The sound of mocking laughter echoing in the dark.

Speaker 22 Sign of dollar sign, Illuminati winking in the darkness.

Speaker 11 The massive metaphor groans the pages. A mute testament, an anemic testament.
The power to joke. Trump, the defender of youth, the defender of Maxwell.
The joke is on you.

Speaker 47 A collection of people.

Speaker 71 a poem by Matt Christman.

Speaker 16 Just

Speaker 3 two more quick things before we close out today's episode.

Speaker 50 A week from today's episode, we will be talking to Seth Harp about his new book, The Fort Bragg Cartel.

Speaker 31 This is one that we are really looking forward to.

Speaker 7 This book is jaw-dropping.

Speaker 45 But I would like to just, on Seth's behalf, remind you that that book hits stores tomorrow.

Speaker 85 So be sure to check out Seth Harp's book, The Fort Bragg Cartel, and start reading it in advance of our interview a week.

Speaker 48 Read along, if you don't mind.

Speaker 45 And also, if you were in New York City on Wednesday of this week, Truanon will be doing an event with Seth Harp at

Speaker 51 Chris, is it the Bell House?

Speaker 101 Yes, the Bell House.

Speaker 31 The Bell House in Brooklyn.

Speaker 102 They're doing a book launch event, Truanon and Seth Harp at the Bell House in Brooklyn.

Speaker 66 So come check that out if you are so inclined and buy Seth's book to prepare for Monday's episode.

Speaker 69 Now, and finally, finally, one last announcement of which I will turn over to our good colleague and friend, Chris Wade.

Speaker 32 Yes. Hello, everybody.

Speaker 101 Speaking of normalizing fatherhood,

Speaker 101 I just wanted to tell all of our listeners that my wife and I...

Speaker 101 My wife, Molly, and I are expecting our first child, a little girl, in the next few weeks. Bobblepub.
Thank you, Matt.

Speaker 101 And so, you know, we've been semi-public about this, but, you know, I feel like we should let our listeners in a little bit to what's going on with us.

Speaker 101 Mostly just to say thank you for supporting the show for so long, to give me, Matt, all of us stability to build families and lives off of.

Speaker 101 And also, more importantly, to say that when the baby comes, I will be taking some significant time off, the first and most I've stepped away from the show since, I don't know, November 2017 when I came on.

Speaker 101 So I think I've set up some systems to leave you guys all in good hands.

Speaker 101 But if things do stray, wobble, fall apart, do not get in touch with me. Do not message.
Do not email. I will be off in babyland doing my best to normalize fatherhood for all of us out there.

Speaker 101 So that's my little announcement. Thank you guys all so much for listening and supporting the show for so long.

Speaker 22 You know,

Speaker 22 it's hard work, you know, like having a baby.

Speaker 32 Trust me, it's hard work.

Speaker 11 But if you're ever, you know, down and out, remember this. At least you had another stroke.

Speaker 101 Yes. I will be doing my best not to have a stroke before the baby comes.
That's the main thing that

Speaker 101 I'm concentrating on right now.

Speaker 21 Avoid the stroke for the love of God.

Speaker 24 It's ironic because you need to make strokes to make the baby.

Speaker 13 Woo! Woo!

Speaker 74 There we go.

Speaker 20 All right, everybody.

Speaker 8 All the love and congratulations in the world to Chris and Molly.

Speaker 76 I can't wait to meet the new person.

Speaker 77 Yes, all right, everybody.

Speaker 21 Uh, till next time, cheers and oh, sweetheart, you know what I like.

Speaker 37 Oh,

Speaker 34 shandily lace.

Speaker 27 All right, it's the big bopper of the big choppo signing off.

Speaker 18 Till next time, everybody. Bye-bye.

Speaker 21 Bye-bye.

Speaker 26 See you, Friday.

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