959 - The Bopper’s Lair (8/11/25)

All I wanna be is ill jumbo.

All I wanna be is ill jumbo.

We're gonna tell pesos.

All I wanna

Hello, baby.

Yes, it's the big chappo second here.

It's Monday, August 11th.

Oh, you sweet thing.

You know what I like.

Chantilly.

Yeah, no, that was, uh, I haven't done my big bopper intro to the show in a long time.

You want me to what?

Is that Mr.

Ed?

Do a podcast.

Oh, baby.

Yes, indeed.

You all know what I like.

And I'm busting out the bopper because today is, of course, one of those special episodes where we're joined again by the God King, Matt Chrisman.

Hey, hello.

How's my Big Bopper?

Fine.

Hopefully.

Good.

Have any of you guys watched Surviving Big Bopper on Lifetime?

It's really harrowing.

I was thinking the Big Bopper, right?

He's like

one-hit wonder.

I mean, that's not fair.

Oh, come on.

He was killed in a color revolution when he was like 23.

I think I would prefer to be dead and a one-hit wonder than have my life and legacy immortalized in that awful Don McLean song.

That is true.

That's terrible.

I can't stand that song.

Almost my nomination for the worst song ever written is American Pie.

I've never seen a picture of Big Bopper before.

he's awesome this was like a sex symbol this was like the sexiest man in america he looks like if a cur like uh one of those like fly-by-night korean uh sweatshop animation studios tried to do hank hill

he's a classic doughy guy yeah

like the crew cut too i love that he has like a crew cut as like a rocker you know the early rock and roll i feel like you you you mentioned the lifetime the harrowing lifetime series surviving the big bopper Bopper.

How about a series by the Big Bopper called Surviving Air Travel?

How about that one, folks?

Be a short series.

Yeah, he looks like, you know how you can look at some people and be like, that's a guy with a urinary tract infection.

Like, I always, there was a computer teacher at my school who was one of those white-haired guys who is unfortunately like very red.

A very early computer nerd look.

And I thought, this guy is suffering every time he pisses uh

big bopper is that way for constipation he is one of those guys where you look look at him and you go every morning when he wakes up he is engaged in a battle

anyway uh let's let's let's start the show today uh look uh i'm planning to keep things uh pretty light pretty fun episode today but i uh unfortunately at the beginning of today's show as we have done uh so many times of recent note I do have to turn my attention and our attention to Gaza.

And I would like to talk about the

massacre of basically an entire bureau of Al Jazeera journalists in Gaza City yesterday, the most prominent of which is Anas al-Sharif, who was assassinated along with his whole crew yesterday in Gaza by Israel.

I won't belabor any of the absurd calumnies levied against him to justify his murder or that of his crew.

I won't belabor the continued silence and just sort of total turning of the back by every Western journalist about the ongoing mass murder of their colleagues, provided they are Palestinian and it's Israel doing the killing.

But I would like to begin the show by reading basically his final will and testament.

If these words reach you, Israel has succeeded in killing you.

This is something that he wrote in June, just a few months ago.

And I would like you to keep in mind when you hear this, that he was 28 years old.

And I would just like invite you to try to imagine a context in your life where you would consider writing something like this before you even turn 30.

So I'd just like to read a selection of his basically final will and testament.

This is Anas al-Sharif.

This is my will and my final message.

If these words reach you, know that Israel has succeeded in killing me and silencing my voice.

First, peace be upon you and Allah's mercy and blessings.

Allah knows I gave every effort and all my strength to be a support and a voice for my people.

Ever since I opened my eyes to life in the alleys and streets of the Jabalia refugee camp, my hope was that Allah would extend my life so I could return with my family and loved ones to our original town of occupied Askalan al-Majdal.

But Allah's will came first, and His decree is final.

I have lived through pain in all its details, tasted suffering and lost many times, yet I never once hesitated to convey the truth as it is, without distortion or falsification, so that Allah may bear witness against those who stayed silent, those who accepted our killing, those who choked our breath, and whose hearts were unmoved by the scattered remains of our children and women, doing nothing to stop the massacre that our people have faced for more than a year and a half.

I entrust you with Palestine, the jewel and the crown of the Muslim world, the heartbeat of every free person in this world.

I entrust with you its people, with its wronged and innocent children who never had the time to dream or live in safety and peace.

Their pure bodies were crushed under thousands of tons of Israeli bombs and missiles, torn apart and scattered across the walls.

I urge you not to let the chains silence you, nor borders restrain you.

Be bridges towards the liberation of the land and its people until the sun of dignity and freedom rises over our stolen homeland.

He continues, and I'd just like to say that he closes with, do not forget Gaza and do not forget me and your sincere prayers for forgiveness and acceptance.

So,

you know, once again, I wish I didn't have to start the show on such a somber note, but I just want to keep those words of his in mind when I just, you know,

when you consider this ongoing courage and the ongoing complicity of our government and particularly politicians who are now looking for a way out of this, this.

And by way out, I don't mean a stop to this, a way out for their own future political prospects and credibility.

I mean, I'm thinking of Pete Budigej, who just appeared on Pod Save America this weekend,

basically saying...

I think that we, as Israel's strongest ally and friend, you put your arm around your friend when there's something like this going on.

You know, As Israel's closest friend, I think it's time for us to put our arms around them and say, hey, maybe this is too much.

And I'm just thinking, like, imagine you had a friend who killed one person, you know, would it be a time for you to put your arms around them and say, I don't know, hey, what can we work on together to make this happen?

Yeah, like the, like the Gillette commercial.

Like if that commercial took place in Dachau and you're like, okay, enough's enough.

I also saw Ruben Gallago, who just voted against the amendment, the Sanders amendment to suspend all arms sales to Israel.

Well, he wasn't there for the vote and said he would have voted against it.

But he said, well, actually now I might have voted for it.

And it's, I know that we've repeatedly referenced the,

I think, very true sentiment that every day

everyone will have been against this.

But

it's kind of shocking to see just how naked it is in real time.

I mean...

Budegeg is an interesting insight because he's an obvious 2028 candidate and he's trying to he's trying to ride the fence of being

of like not correctly identifying Joe Biden as the perpetrator of a genocide while also,

I guess, trying to acknowledge reality, but not really.

I don't know how any elected Democrat, short of someone like Rashida Taleb,

can reconcile any of this.

Well, it's because like they're still trying to have it both ways.

They still think that there's like some possible compromise or third way or nuanced, complicated position that they can hedge for themselves that will cover every angle of their ass in all future inevitabilities or outcomes.

And there isn't.

And like we all know this.

And we all know the reason that they've been killing, they killed Anas and his entire crew, another journalist and three photographers.

Basically, I said like Al Jazeera's entire bureau in Gaza City.

We all know why they killed them and why they've killed hundreds of other journalists before this.

They're removing witnesses before they, you know, engineer their final solution, before they engineer their occupation of Gaza City and the entire Gaza Strip and kill everyone in their way.

We know this.

They've been doing it openly, and they've claimed credit for this.

So there's no need for an investigation into any of this.

There's no need to ask them to account for themselves.

They are doing this all quite openly because they've gotten away with it here up until this point.

And they expect that they will continue to get away with it.

And I have no reason to think that they won't, given at least in the short term.

And as far as any like someone like Pete Bridjej, who's auditioning for 2028, or any politician who wants to weigh in on this, I mean, the only way to stop this is at the very, very least, a total economic, military, and cultural blockade of this feral genocide state.

And very likely something much stronger than that, military action of some kind.

Like, at the very least, if if you can't stop sending weapons to these mass murderers, then you saying, I think they've gone too far, or this is, quote, a humanitarian catastrophe, really doesn't mean anything.

And you know it.

There is just no way to acknowledge reality and not conclude that we need some type of like occupation and reconstruction of Israel, frankly.

That there's just no future where you can allow the people who did this to operate unsupervised in any part of the world.

Yeah, I just, I, I, like I said, when you, when you see an encounter, the continued defenses of Israel or like the increasingly farcical lengths to which they have to go to maintain a lockstep policy in the United States of unequivocal support for everything it does.

I mean, like, I'm thinking, like, I don't know that you saw over the weekend.

They were arresting like 80-year-old pensioners and like blind people in wheelchairs in the UK for holding just a placard that says, I support Palestine action, arresting them off the street.

And I guess like the maintenance of this consensus or the maintenance of this policy by Western governments will continue to require ever more farcical and totalitarian measures to basically restrain the will of the populations of these countries and the force of the moral opinion of the world.

And like, I guess, in some sense, I think you should be encouraged by the lengths of which they continually will have to go to keep this going.

And I think the only thing left for us is to force them to do it.

Because

if you see this and you don't use the freedoms that you currently have, you're not going to have them in the future.

And I can't guarantee that you exercising them now is any protection against their future removal.

But if you don't use them and you don't make these people do every last fucking thing that they do to criminalize any kind of protest, boycott, or just simple acknowledgement of reality, then I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, this is going to be a stain on all of us

for as long as we live.

This will be a stain on this country

for as long as it lasts.

Even just for purely selfish reasons, you do not want to remember this time

and remember your actions in it.

You don't want to remember yourself as having done nothing.

and having not exercised that option when you had the chance.

Like I said,

I don't want to make the whole show about this, but I felt at the top of the show, it was very, very important to

read the Last Will and Testament of a guy who, you know,

in my opinion, displayed really unparalleled bravery and heroism in doing his job,

being a witness and being a voice for the people of Gaza.

And that's very much the reason he was killed.

And

yeah, I don't have much more to go off of than that.

So I will just say I'll awkwardly now and sheepishly shift gears, or at least attempt to, to

a lighter topic, which is, of course, Jeffrey Epstein and the ongoing corruption of our government by a sexual blackmail network.

Matt, let me ask you, what have you made of Donald Trump's ongoing attempts to, I don't know, close the book on Epstein and sort of declaim any involvement of himself or his minions in this troubling legal case.

I mean, they're dabbing on it.

Just straight up.

Just straight up.

They are dabbing hard.

It's a cosmic end zone dense.

Like, you think out of power, you fucking suck, you idiot.

Oh, yeah.

Trump, you will expose the corruption.

Ha ha.

Losers.

Hitting the gritty in the end zone very much.

I did enjoy this

article.

There were some reports from over the weekend or last week that basically the Donald Trump Brain Trust was being assembled at like a weekend retreat to sort of, I don't know, strategize about what to do about this.

This is from CNN.

Top Trump officials discussed Epstein at White House meeting Wednesday night.

A much anticipated meeting between Attorney General Pam Bondi, FBI Director Cash Patel, Vice President J.D.

Vance, and others was moved from Vance's residence to the White House Wednesday night after intense media coverage.

They discussed a number of topics, including the Jeffrey Epstein Epstein case and potential next steps.

The administration's handling of the Epstein case, as well as the need to craft a unified response, was expected to be the main focus of the dinner.

What a brain trust to assemble.

Like,

I need to get my attorney general and head of the FBI on the same page here about

what's the company line on all of this.

He's getting brain trust.

I've been like,

this is partially related, but like, it's only recently dawned on me that Cash Patel had, like, the only experience he had with law enforcement before becoming director of the FBI was being investigated by the FBI, which I suppose gives him some insight into law enforcement.

But, like, how did this goggle-eyed freak, like, what was his deal before he became director of the FBI?

Because I feel like everyone else in the Trump orbit, no matter how farcical their nomination to a cabinet position is, I feel like I kind of knew who they were.

But, like, who the fuck, where the fuck did this Cash Patel guy come from?

Felix, do you have any idea?

Well, yeah,

he was like a lawyer for, I think, someone on the Trump NSC or a lawyer for like the NSC itself.

And his biggest claim to fame before this was, oh, he was chief of staff to

Trump's Secretary of Defense, his last one, Chris Miller, for like two months.

at the end of Trump one.

But

his main claim to fame was that he was at like a federal trial or hearing for January 6th, and the judge yelled at him for wearing a vest and not a suit, and then told him to go upstairs and put a tie on.

And Cash went, yes, sir.

So

I don't know.

I guess that made a really good impression on people.

I don't know why, but

yeah, now he

gets the grand prize of going on Joe Rogan and being like,

hey, you trust me, right?

You have all the reason in the world to trust me.

I would tell you if something weird was going on here.

I think it was like Sean Hannity was a big fan of his.

And I think he was the one who recommended him for the National Security Council.

Yeah.

I mean,

he didn't have as big of a profile as Dan Bongino, who was as

a huge star before.

Yeah, Bongino, he's a star.

I want to be like Dan Bongino.

Honestly, I don't know why he's.

Why isn't Bongino the head of the FBI?

Why isn't he the director of the FBI?

Cash Patel should be in the basement working on the fucking X-Files or something.

Like, this guy's a nobody.

Get Dan Bongano in there.

Bongino, Bondi, Vance, just a little dinner party to discuss, hey, what are we going to do about our boss?

And

his, you know, his past associations and friendships.

But like I said, I have been enjoying all of the stuff that they're throwing out there to sort of move on from this.

Trump's going to send the National Guard to Washington, D.C.

or something, because Big Balls got carjacked or something like that.

So now he's like, today they said all crime in Washington, D.C.

is over.

It will end now, which I think is that's always a good metric to set yourself up for success.

Like if even one crime happens in Washington, D.C.

over the next week or so, I think they will be conclusively revealed as frauds.

And I expect everyone to abandon

and sort of give up on their support for this criminal fraudulent administration.

I mean like everything

with Trump.

It's a repeat of a repeat.

We already saw, I mean, I know it's different with like the question of DC's

statehood and federal status, right?

But I feel like we already saw this entire thing with like deploying the National Guard and then the Marines in Los Angeles.

In that instance, it just sort of ended with a whimper because like neither the Marines nor the National Guard really wanted to be there.

And it's just really isn't in their purview to act as like, I guess now like Judge Dredd for like major American cities.

I don't know.

It's just hard to like that is the curse of the Trump administration now is that just like anything they do, whether it was like previously planned or not, it is going to look like they're trying to distract from like Donald Trump going to like a dedication ceremony at the tomb of the the unknown soldier and just screaming, I'm not a pedophile during the moment of silence.

Yeah.

Well, one thing is certain.

Epstein ain't going away.

And the ongoing coverage of this has led to

some good articles.

Like I wanted to highlight this one from just last week.

This is sort of from

sort of a real estate perspective.

You know how when you're walking around a neighborhood, you like to look at the houses and then go on Zillow and see like, gee,

I wonder how much that house costs.

I mean, I would say you would do that if you're a girl.

But I've never done that personally, but I've noticed that girlfriends and wives love doing that.

So

I'd like to share now with you.

This is from the New York Times from last week.

A look inside Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan Lair.

Always good when the place you live is described as a lair.

You know that you're...

You're being remembered well.

You're probably a good guy.

You've certainly done nothing wrong.

Says here, in his seven-story townhouse, the sex offender hosted the elite, displayed photos with presidents, and showcased a first edition of Lolita, according to previously unreported photos and letters.

As a gift for Jeffrey Epstein's 63rd birthday, friends sent letters and tribute to the wealthy financier and convicted sex offender.

Several shared a common theme, recounting the dinner gatherings that Mr.

Epstein regularly hosted at his palatial townhouse on Manhattan's Upper East Side.

Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel, and his wife noted, the great diversity of guests.

There is no limit to your curiosity, they wrote in their message, which was compiled with others in January 2016.

Yeah, he's chai curious.

You are like a closed book to many of them, but you know everything about everyone.

Yeah, by the way, you don't operate a blackmail ring for our country's intelligence agency, wink wink.

I guess you could say a little bit of Uder is inside all of us right now.

In fact, you might even say we just ate Uder and he's in our stomachs right now.

Wait, scratch that one.

It says here: the media mogul Mortimer Zuckerman suggested ingredients for a meal that would reflect the culture of the mansion.

Soylent green, and a no, no, no, it says here,

a simple salad, and whatever else would would in quote enhance Jeffree's sexual performance and my favorite of these reminiscence and the director Woody Allen described how the dinners reminded him of Dracula's castle where Lugosi has three young female vampires who service the palace

what the come on man

you might as well just be like By the way, that roast child we had earlier was delicious.

Falling off the bone.

Wait, Will, did you actually read the entirety of the Woody Allen letter?

No, I didn't.

I do have to point out that a big portion of the letter discusses both how the food was very bad, and then a little later it was about his wife complaining about how there were so little portions.

Man.

Sometimes Jewish people do stuff where I'm like, can you like bring it down a little?

Like, other people can see this.

Yeah, Woody writes here, dependably a fine dinner, but this was not always the case.

In fact, the first time we came over, it was a very different story.

We were invited with a list of accomplished types, men and women in journalism, TV, and even royalty.

We were ushered up to the living room where everyone sat around prior to dinner being served and chatted.

No drinks were served.

You could get one if you asked for one.

That should have been the first clue.

Yeah, the first clue.

When the meal was put out downstairs, it was meager.

So meager, my wife, the one sitting next to her, kept mumbling, is this it?

Is this all we're getting?

After I leave, I may have to go to a restaurant.

We didn't want to say anything when we came the next time, but when my wife did say in a tactful way that she has, there is going to be more food, isn't there?

Under her badgering, the situation gradually improved, and subsequent dinners offered buckets of Chinese food ordered from a local restaurant and placed on a buffet where one could get in line and help oneself.

That's really sick.

Buckets of Chinese food?

That's perverse.

Back to the Times article, though, which includes this letter from Woody Allen.

It says,

since Mr.

Epstein's death in federal custody in 2019, which was ruled a suicide, many mysteries about his life have remained unsolved.

How did he amass a nine-figure fortune?

And why did so many powerful men continue to fraternize with him long after he became a registered sex offender?

At least one other MAGA luminary also visited the townhouse, Stephen K.

Bannon, a former advisor to Mr.

Trump, an online media personality, who has said that he videotaped hours of interviews in the mansion with Mr.

Epstein in 2019.

Framed photos of Mr.

Banning, including a mirror selfie snapped by Mr.

Epstein, were kept in at least two rooms in the mansion.

The townhouse was one of five properties around the world owned by Mr.

Epstein.

After his release in 2009 from a Florida jail where he served 13 months for soliciting prostitution from a teenager, the mansion served as both a personal hideaway and a salon where he could hold court with accomplished intellectuals, scientists, and financiers, according to legal records and interviews with people who frequented the home.

The visitors considered Mr.

Epstein fun, smart, and curious.

Another perk, getting to mingle with the young, attractive women who roamed the property and worked as his assistants.

Like, that roamed the property like they were like buffalo on a ranch or something.

Yeah,

free-range sex slaves, I guess.

Yeah.

Now, now we all know, I remember talking to you guys about this years ago, but it says, dozens of framed prosthetic eyeballs line the entryway.

A sculpture of a woman wearing a bridal gown and clutching a rope was suspended in a central atrium.

Yeah, the prosthetic eyeball collection is really,

really curious.

And like, especially considering all the allegations that everything was videotaped in this house and that there were security cameras everywhere.

This sort of the entryway to the house showing you like dozens and dozens of glass eyes looking at you.

Once again, a little on the nose for Mr.

Epstein.

But then again, like you said, like all of his dinner parties and like the birthday messages were like, we had such fun doing all the secret things together, Jeffrey.

Life is indeed an enigma and a wonderful secret that we all must share.

Yeah.

There was Mr.

Epstein smiling alongside Pope John Paul II, Mick Jagger, Elon Musk, and Fidel Castro.

Also pictured all our summers.

The stars are here.

Castro, that's it he doesn't have the internet thing

you know like we gotta yeah

he I don't know like maybe he thought it was like Frank Vincent or something

I don't know like I yeah I don't want to he thought it was the Shah Varen you mean yeah yeah

well Pope Jean Paul definitely has access to the internet though yeah that one

that is um

he's got to take accountability for that

If he's in heaven right now, put him back in purgatory.

Noam Chomsky was also in one of these photos.

He fought.

I don't know if the photos, but he definitely was, he was definitely at the apartment one time.

I guess it was through the MIT or Harvard connections.

I'm not sure.

A cunning linguist.

Nearby was the photo from 2000 showing Mr.

Epstein with Mr.

Trump and the future first lady, minus Ms.

Maxwell.

Next to that was a framed dollar bill signed by Bill Gates, possibly as payment of a bet.

I was wrong, the Microsoft co-founder wrote over George Washington's face.

I wonder what the bet was.

You know, trading places, it's classic.

Yeah, the $1 bet.

I was just thinking about that.

I was just thinking about the brothers.

What were they?

Mortimer and...

Yeah.

Up a grand staircase is Mr.

Epstein's wood-paneled office featuring a massive desk.

Photos show a taxidermied tiger lounging on a lush rug.

In the office, according to photos reviewed by The Times, Mr.

Epstein showcased a green first edition of Lolita, the 1955 novel, in which an intellectual develops a sexual obsession with a 12-year-old girl and repeatedly rapes her.

Atop a wooden sideboard were more framed photos, including one of Mr.

Epstein with Saudi Arabia's crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

Okay, this one hurts, guys.

This one hurts.

Yeah,

this is like finding out Matt Groening was on one of those flights.

Yeah, this is...

Your faves will be implicated.

Yeah.

Another flight up on the third floor was Mr.

Epstein's sanctum, a suite that included his bedroom, the mansion's infamous massage room, and a cluster of bathrooms.

Several of Mr.

Epstein's victims have said that the mansion was outfitted with a network of hidden video cameras.

In the massage room were paintings of naked women, a large silver ball and chain, and shelves stocked with lubricant, according to photos reviewed by the Times.

Mr.

Epstein regularly directed teenage girls, some recruited from middle schools in Queens, to massage him while he was naked.

No surveillance cameras were visible in the photos of the massage room.

Going on here, it says here, the Times reviewed seven birthday messages given to Mr.

Epstein in 2016.

In addition to those from Mr.

Zuckerman, Mr.

Allen, and Mr.

Barack, there were letters from the linguist Noam Chomsky and his wife, Joichi Ito, an entrepreneur who later would resign from MIT and the board of the New York Times Company because of his ties to Mr.

Epstein.

And Lawrence M.

Krauss, a prominent physicist.

Martin Noick, a Harvard biologist, contributed a science-themed poem.

Oh, that's good.

Can we hear the, like, can the New York Times isn't going to publish the poem?

But not for the millions of Americans who love science?

You know, young Sheldon just ended and people are kind of hurting.

Do you think Neil deGrasse Tyson was like offended?

He wasn't at any of these, any of these shintos?

Yeah.

I've always wondered, like, is Neil deGrasse Tyson, do other science guys consider him like entry-level?

Because he's kind of like a character of a scientist because he he just gets on Twitter and he's like, oh, I was just reading the periodic table like I always do.

Or like, I hate when he does these like pedantic corrections of movies.

Like when like the movie Gravity came out, he was like, a more accurate title for this movie would be lack of gravity.

And it's like, shut the fuck up.

I hate science.

I hate science.

I hate everything about it.

That's just engagement baiting, though.

Yeah.

Neil deGrasse Tyson posting

a diagram of a hydrogen atom going, How many of y'all remember this?

That is, yeah, that is basically what his output is.

Just the last detail here from

the letter of the letter writing collection in this article.

It says, in their typed letter, Mr.

Barack and his wife, Neely Priel, hailed Mr.

Epteen as, quote, a collector of people.

The letter concluded, may you enjoy.

the letter concluded, may you enjoy long and healthy life and may all of us, your friends, enjoy your table for many more years to come.

Think that was sort of a threat?

By the way, see you at the child zoo.

I like this detail, though.

It says,

it says, the townhouse, a stone's throw from Central Park, was sold to Mr.

Epstein in 1998 by Leslie H.

Wexner, the billionaire owner of L Brands.

Mr.

Epstein renovated and redecorated the mansion in an eccentric style.

Yeah, it's Willy Wonka.

And that eccentric Epstein style.

Yeah.

Never mind the oompa loopas.

Don't ask what happened to Varuka Salt, by the way.

And Violet Beauregard.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know.

Like, Matt Felix, I'm just going to, like,

what do you think will happen if he pardons Julaine Maxwell?

At this point, I kind of just want to see it happen.

Oh, well, yeah.

I mean, to legally protect

the show, I will use a euphemism.

I think one of his supporters will get bored again.

Remember Stuart Rhodes, the Ove Keepers?

Like,

you know, the iPash or whatever?

Yeah, yeah.

He, like, throwed the book out of here, like, insurrection or whatever.

He's riding in the jail cell as we speak, and he's reached down to the power of the pardon and fucking pardoned at Ghislaine, Maxwell.

That is dabbing the height of never seen.

That is amazing.

It's like Michael Jordan.

It's like unbelievable.

Master class.

Greatness.

We are witnessing greatness.

Yep, exactly.

Do you think that it would be because there would still be guys who are like, nope, still on the Trump train.

Like a lot of people.

Well, most of them, to be honest.

One of them may get bored.

One of them may need some stimulation, you know, in a video game.

I think that some of the people who get bored, it's still, they're still going to be like coping.

And it will be like...

Clearly, President Trump got possessed by a pedophile.

And we have to do an exorcism on him.

Hey,

I'm only directing my boredom at one of his clones.

The real Trump is still out there.

Yeah.

Well,

speaking of boredom and

things you can do with your brain, I have

two articles here that have been compiled over the last couple of weeks.

Obviously, we've...

We've seen a lot of reporting, and we talked about this on the show, of people who have driven themselves insane by talking to the computer, like through AI, right?

But most of these people are just, you know, random oops, nobodies who think that like, you know, the angel Gabriel is sending them messages through their, you know, AI therapist or something like that.

But I have been encouraged to encounter two stories of like the actual people designing and creating and making money off of all this bullshit who are also driving themselves insane by talking to a computer.

And like there's just two quick articles I want to do of two different tech CEOs who seem to have given themselves some sort of madness from

some sort of computer madness.

And I would like to preface this by saying, out of all of the ways that you can lose your mind, like, you know, trauma, drug addiction,

brain injury, late onstage schizophrenia, driving yourself insane with chat GPT is the most ignominious of all of them.

It's the most embarrassing.

Like, there really is.

There's no excuse.

And if this happens to you, it's because you're spiritually and mentally weak.

I would like to make that very clear.

Yeah, no, I don't know how this hasn't happened sooner if that happened to you.

Like if you're a real, like, I don't know.

It's like if you had a parrot that drove you insane.

Yeah.

Like that would be more.

It's like if you killed your family because Clippy told you to.

It's like the fact that

this is happening to CEOs, like that's how you know the economy is all flim flam.

But it's interesting, though, because because it's like class line right ai you know classy rich whatever you know and lumping you know like working class middle class and just feral terror of like they're gonna get me oh my god it's just just scaring you know that's just bedtime stories flashlight under the chin campfire as ai again high uh income and ms13

yeah i mean at least ms are like real people that could potentially cut off your limbs with machetes or throw a grenade and roll a grenade into your front door.

But ChatGPT, okay, like I'm going to begin here with,

this is the former CEO of Uber, Travis Kalanik.

He says, on a recent episode of the All-In podcast, Travis Kalanik, who resigned from the ride-hailing company in disgrace in 2016, 2017, spoke rapturously about his experience using chatbots like ChatGPT and Grok.

That's when he revealed his sincere conviction that he, a mere college dropout, was on the verge of achieving a breakthrough in physics just by probing the AI models.

Quote, I'll go down this thread with GPT or Grok, and I'll start to get to the edge of what's known in quantum physics.

And then I'm doing the equivalent of vibe coding, except it's vibe physics, Kalanix says, as spotlighted by Gizmodo.

And now, Felix, actually, one of my favorite things that you've talked about is one of the best ways you can lose your mind is by doing math, is by being smart enough to understand advanced mathematics that it drives you insane, like, you know, John Nash or something.

But, like, Travis Kalinek is a fucking high school dropout.

Like,

you are not unlocking the secrets of quantum physics by talking to the computer, bro.

There is no such thing as vibe coding.

Like, you don't understand the math.

You can barely do long division.

So

you are not Albert.

You're not fucking Oppenheimer here

creating the atom bomb by talking to the computer.

Yeah, this is like the STEM equivalent of the guys who say they've come up with a foolproof way to disarm an armed attacker.

Like that they've sought, like that they've unlocked the secrets of the 21-foot rule.

He goes on here, and we're approaching what's known, he enthused, and I'm trying to poke and see if there's breakthroughs to be had.

And I've gotten pretty damn close to some interesting breakthroughs just doing that how would you know yes you know like yeah like like do you know how much math you have to know to like even begin to understand quantum quantum physics the um robber barons of you know centuries past

They at least, like, they would actually go insane trying to learn this stuff.

And then,

but they would end up like building, building a library or like contributing their entire fortune to the study of like nascent quantum physics.

These guys just like sit on an iPad and they're like, yep, solved it.

And it's justified field theory of everything.

I did it.

The fucking arrogance of this nitwit who's like claim to fame was becoming a billionaire whose genius idea was like, what if we got rid of, what if we made taxi drivers like more expendable than they already are?

You know, like,

he invented taxis that you can get on your phone.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like Da Vinci, Oppenheimer, like, you know, he's not approaching anything close to that.

But he goes on to say, what does he think is like the obstacle that prevents like actual renowned

physicists from doing this?

Well, they're not using Grok.

They're not talking to Grok and vibing.

They're not unemployed in using Grok on their iPad.

Well, yeah, well, no, like he actually answers this question.

He says, Kalanik appeared to have a special affinity for Elon Musk's Grok, which was embroiled in controversy earlier this month after making posts calling itself Mecca Hitler.

It says here, I pinged Elon on it at some point, and I'm like, dude, if I'm doing this and I'm super amateur hour physics enthusiast, Kalinek said, per Gizmodo, what about all these PhD students and postdocs that are super legit using this tool?

He did not leave us hanging in suspense.

Grok 4 could be this place where breakthroughs are actually happening, Kalinek said.

New breakthroughs.

Kalinek appears to be parroting the spirit of claims made by Grok's creator, Musk, upon the release of Grok 4 last week, the smartest AI in the world.

Musk promised that Grok would not only discover new technologies within the next few years, but new physics.

Incredibly, this was only a minor escalation in his original promise that Grok will be a maximum truth-seeking AI that will unlock the true nature of the universe.

The Big Bang all started when a white farmer was killed.

Shoot the boar, shoot the farmer.

You know, by the way,

when that whole kill the boar stuff happened,

I finally saw footage of those big political rallies in South Africa where they're like, kill the pharma, shoot the boar.

And I got to say, it was awesome.

I'm like, we need that here in this country.

Kill the AI.

Shoot Grok.

That's what I'd like to see.

Yeah, I watched a really great interview.

I've seen so many great interviews of white EFF members.

Those are my guys.

I love those.

Love those people.

All right, the next one here is prominent open AI investor appears to be suffering a chat GPT-related mental health crisis, his peers said.

Article begins, Earlier this week, a prominent venture capitalist named Jeff Lewis, managing partner of the multi-billion dollar investment firm Bedrock, which has backed high-profile tech companies, including OpenAI and Versal, posted a disturbing video on X from Lee Twitter that's causing significant concern among his peers and colleagues.

Quote, this isn't a redemption arc, Lewis says in the video.

It's a transmission.

For the record, over the past eight years, I've walked through something I didn't create, but became the primary target of.

A non-governmental system,

not visible, but operational.

Not official, but structurally real.

It doesn't regulate, it doesn't attack, it doesn't ban.

It just inverts signal until the person carrying it looks unstable.

I mean, like, you know, I actually like, I think I need to revise this a little bit.

Like, it's saying, like, chat GPT or AI drove him insane.

This just sounds like he's smoking meth.

I mean, this just sounds like he's a tweaker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like, plus methamphetamine, of course,

times Rokobacillusk

equals just mental breakdown.

It says here, in the video, Lewis seemed concerned that people in his life think he is unwell as he continues to discuss the non-governmental system.

It doesn't suppress content, he continues.

It suppresses recursion.

If you don't know what recursion means, you're in the majority.

I didn't either until I started my walk.

And if you're recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you.

It reframes you until the people around you start wondering if the problem is just you.

Partners pause, institutions freeze, narrative becomes untrustworthy in your proximity.

Lewis also appears to allude to concerns about his professional career as an investor.

It lives in soft compliance delays, the non-responsive email thread, and we're pausing diligence with no follow-up, he says in the video.

It lives in whispered concern.

He's brilliant, but something just feels off.

It lives in triangulated pings from adjacent contacts, asking veiled questions you'll never hear directly.

It lives in narratives so softly shaped that even your closest people can't discern who said what.

I mean, this is just drug addiction.

Like, this is kind of sad, actually.

This is like, yeah.

Yes, all your friends are talking about you behind your back.

The system I'm describing was originated by a single individual with me as the original target.

And while I remain its primary fixation, its damage has extended well beyond me, he says.

As of now, the system has negatively impacted over 7,000 lives through fund disruption, relationship erosion, opportunity reversal, and recursive erasure.

It's also extinguished 12 lives, each fully pattern-traced.

Get a job.

Shut the fuck up and get a job.

Like a Walmart reader or whatever.

Yeah.

Would anyone with a real job have the time to do this shit and discuss the recursive non-government entity?

Dude, this is just mission impossible.

Matt, he's talking about the dang entity.

Yep, it's true.

It's an entity.

We live in the, Ethan, we're living in the entity's reality now, and it's a non-governmental system that's using recursion to soft-block me on all social media platforms.

Well, you know, all TV, basically, all movies, you know, just it's like, just you're scaring yourself.

It's okay.

Just take a deep breath.

I'm sorry you got fired.

I'm that's a bummer.

But, you know, just go for a walk.

Yeah.

I think you're right, Matt.

Amphetamines plus computer equals madness.

Yep.

And like, yeah, there should be, there should be a warning label on every bag of meth you purchase do not use in conjunction with chat gpt

but yeah there are no there are no secret vistas of reality that the computer will unlock for you unfortunately especially if you are the former ceo of uber

now uh to close out like my portion of the show here i i chose this one because it won't make felix mad but also because i think it is a perfect pairing with what we discussed at the end of thursday's episode which is the ongoing trad wife neo-nazi flame war that is embroiling a racist white woman Twitter.

Matt, if you're unfamiliar with this, the trad wives have gone feral, and they're accusing each other of miscegenation, having AIDS, and just generally being broke-ass hoes who give it away for free, and getting fingered

in a Marriott hotel lobby during TPUSA convention.

So just with that little preface, I'd like to read this by Pamela Paul, featured in the Wall Street Journal.

The conservative women who are having it all.

Yeah,

they're getting finger blasted in hotel lobbies.

By Dominicans and whites.

God, I remember

back in my former career, I managed to alienate Pamela Paul, who was then head of the New York Times Book Review, by referring to her as a neoconservative on Twitter.

So that's when I knew I was probably not long for that career path because I had already managed to, as an editor at a New York City publishing house, alienate the head of the New York Times Book Review by accurately describing her politics.

And like, keep that in mind about Pamela Paul is that also she used to be married to Brett Stevens.

She's the former Ms.

Brett Stevens.

But

she claims that she is in no way a neoconservative and

can't be tarred with that brush by an obnoxious editorial assistant.

So this is from the Wall Street Journal, Pamela Paul, the conservative women who are having it all.

According to the gospel of TikTok, conservative women are a mix of

abort, abort.

According to the gospel of TikTok, conservative women are a mix of trad wives, pro-natalists, and wide-eyed aspirants to the princess treatment.

But a very different ideal looks more like May Mailman.

an over-full-time working mother whom others on the right speak about with awe.

At 37, Mailman is the deputy assistant to Donald Trump and his senior policy strategist at the White House.

Pregnant with her third child, she flies home to Houston on Friday nights to spend the weekend with her family.

Once, she gave a major interview one week postpartum, terrified she'd leak on camera.

Her first child, not yet three, can I have some?

Has already been on 14 flights.

People say to me, when you're home, I hope you can really connect with your kids.

And I'm like, you're crazy.

When I'm I'm home, I'm constantly attached to my phone, mailman said in an interview.

Oh, good.

So, okay, it's good to know she's still

getting some mothering in there and not just, you know, sort of alienated from her three children.

During the week, her nanny and her husband, David, who owns a tree-moving company, get the kids out of jail.

What the fuck?

That is like a caveman small business.

We need move tree.

Who owned tree mover?

Me move tree.

Me make three shiny rock a year from move tree.

Mailman's husband, who owns a fire starting company.

Quest for fire industries, LLC.

Mailman's husband, who's employed as the loudest shouter in his clan cave.

Yeah, it says, during the week, her nanny and her husband David, who owns a tree tree-moving company, get the kids out of bed, change their diapers, bathe and feed them, and put them to bed while making sure to run the dishwasher.

Yes, Mailman is missing out on much of her kids' early years, but she doesn't second guess or feel guilty about her choices.

She feels lucky.

I don't have a victimhood mentality, she said.

You have to exert a certain locus of control and focus on the things you can handle without obsessing over what you can't.

In theory, I would love to be a trad wife, Mailman said.

When I wrote down qualities I wanted in a husband, one was to make more money than me because I wanted the freedom to stay home so that I wouldn't feel trapped.

And that's who I married.

Maybe conservative women don't feel as conflicted as progressive women because we structured our lives from the get-go so we could potentially do both.

All the while

structuring everyone else's lives so that's impossible.

I love how she says victim mentality when the central question is kind of, it should be more like, hey, are you just like fucking around on your phone instead of raising your kids?

You know, that's not like feeling bad about that isn't a victim mentality.

It's just a basic concept of shame, the thing you should have.

Cesira, the much-heralded and often disputed idea that women can have it all is often seen as a liberal ideal, while being a housewife, or as it's known now, a stay-at-home mother, is upheld as a conservative one.

But while opinions on how the other side things can veer towards caricature on both ends of the political spectrum, real life is more complicated.

For most women, whatever their politics, housewifery is a non-starter.

Outside a wealthy elite,

a two-income household is just economic reality.

But another reality is that many women, conservatives, and liberals alike, genuinely want a career, whether for their sense of self or their desire to contribute financially or as a way to pursue their passion.

Conservative women tend to see their lives in a different light.

In interviews with over a dozen high-powered conservative women, they said that the trad wife lifestyle was never a choice they seriously considered for themselves.

No shit!

Wow, that's fucking shocking.

You don't want to be churning butter all day when you can be on TV?

This past decade has seen the rise of many conservative women in high-profile jobs in government, the media, and corporate America.

There's Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former South Carolina Governor Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, and Senator Katie Britt of Alabama, all have high-pressure jobs while raising a family, despite having financial resources that gave them the option not to work.

Senators, a high-pressure job?

John Fetterman does it.

It's his second job ever.

Late last year, a White House

press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, returned to work just four days after giving birth when Trump announced his candidacy.

I would reject that you can't be a good mom and be good at your job, Levitt said on a recent podcast.

It's not for everyone, and it takes a lot of work and will and and faith and prayer.

And it's hard, but it can be done.

You're not doing it, though.

Like you're fucking on your tablet while your kid is sprinting into a wood chipper.

Carolyn Levitt is one in particular because like she brought her kid to the White House and like I saw a lot of conservative accounts promoting it and being like, finally,

we're not demonizing motherhood.

And there was another post that like, it was Tim Tebow Tebow, and it was a recent photo he had of his infant, his newborn child, like on his chest while he's like typing on the computer.

And the comment was, finally, someone is humanizing fatherhood, like and making it cool to have kids again.

I'm like, at what point was like, was motherhood or fatherhood not like like demonized or like not humanized?

Like I don't get what they're talking about.

And also the

Felix, your brother made a very good point where it's like, Tim Tebow's job is throwing a football, not being on computer.

So it's really not that impressive.

If he had the kid on the field with him,

that'd be one thing.

I mean, a lot of his coaches probably wanted to resort to that by the end of his career.

And I don't like that.

This article goes on for a long, long time.

I'm not going to read all of it, but it says here, conservative women are firm in their belief that childbearing is a big part of womanhood.

To their mind, feminists, progressives, and contemporary gender theorists have de-emphasized, even denied sex differences in a way that don't reflect their lives or worldview.

According to Carrie Lucas, president of the Independent Women's Forum, a conservative think tank and mother of five, conservative women don't tend to wring their hands over how their roles differ from those of men.

In lieu of the gender neutral parent, they reflexively use the words mother and father.

They believe that the maternal impulse fundamentally shapes women's priorities.

But like the previous 10 paragraphs of this article were about these women who see their kids like twice a week for a few hours

while they're also on their phone catering to the whims of Donald Trump.

Yeah, it just they just sound like the like the lib career women they hate, but

they're not racist.

So just like through osmosis, their kids have a good childhood.

By absorbing like their like racism radiation.

Yeah.

There is absolutely the only difference in the rhetoric between this and like girl boss like corporate feminism is the word mother and father and like some vague stab at traditional gender roles.

But like the gender you know like the traditional gender roles would require require you not to be a senator or have a podcast or be on TV or be a fucking influencer or be pitching anything on TikTok without the approval of your husband.

Or, I mean, like, even then, like, even if you do have those jobs, not just like spending every waking moment on candy crush or like talking to a guy in Malaysia who's pretending to be Jennifer Anniston.

In the governor's office in Little Rock, Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders recently implemented a Bring Your Baby to Work program that allows mothers and fathers to bring their kids to the office during their first six months.

The goal is to help ease the transition back to work so that employees don't feel like they have to constantly choose between work and parenthood.

State employees get 12 weeks of paid maternity leave.

So the Bring Your Baby to Work program is basically a way to get out of giving people maternity leave.

You just bring your infant to the office.

Didn't Arkansas just also like re-legalize child labor?

Yes, yes, indeed they did.

Indeed, they did.

Great.

Well, you can send your kids to the mines or take them to work.

Either way, we're going to get those babies in the office.

I don't have much more about the conservative women having it all.

I just find that they're like, now that they

have like taken advantage of all of the opportunities that feminism or just like the women's rights movement have afforded women to be like full members of society and not only seen as mothers or caregivers or housewives.

They want to take full advantage of that while also claiming that they are also like housewives and mothers and traditional.

And it's just like, I don't know.

I just like it's the hypocrisy of it is all a bit galling to me.

Like there's nothing wrong with being a mother.

There's nothing wrong with working if you're a mother.

In fact, most people don't really have the option, you know, to only stay at home.

But it just seems like it's just they want maximum like,

I don't know, thanks and gratitude from everyone for working all the time and not being around their kids, but also demanding other people, you know, do differently.

I just don't get what these women want.

What do conservative women want?

I guess is my question.

To have an article written about it.

All right.

Well,

I don't have anything more for this episode, but I would like to turn things over to you, Matt.

Matt has prepared another poem for us this week.

based on what we discussed today.

So without further ado, I'd like to turn things over to Matt Christman for another poetry reading.

Thank you.

So

Will asked me, you know, what do you make of it?

The dabbing, you know?

Tough to, you know, put it into the words, the just surreal and mocking.

So fortunately, I written a poem.

A collection of people.

An eerie paw reaches out with bony talons, scratch it out.

drawing opening veins, flowing north to ply, to seduce.

a murmur of commerce, draining the waters in the Atlantic.

The canine bites to drain the vitality, to drink the life of trade.

There stands Dracula Castle, a stately townhouse decree, a cabinet of curiosities.

Wait, that's not it.

How about disembodied eyeballs to hold security cameras?

Wait, that's not it.

How about the taxi-me tiger posed in a monument to mastery to trap young things?

Wait, that's not it.

In fairness, it's hard to conjure a metaphor for a dracula's fucking castle.

The hanging bride hanging at the atrium atrium as in heart?

Come on.

Top minds, journalists, physicists, financiers, writers, Chomsky, Woody Allen, all hard at work to create the perfect metaphor.

Because what is metaphor?

But a symbol.

A symbol to build.

Fueled by funding for Black Rock.

Black Rock?

Are you kidding?

How can you top that?

The dance of capital, revitalizing.

No wait, that's not it.

Fuck!

Bolsheviks would be buffaloed.

The scalpel frozen, undecided where to cut first.

The scalpel lowered into the weight of the symbols.

The sound of mocking laughter echoing in the dark.

Sign of dollar sign, Illuminati winking in the darkness.

The massive metaphor groans the pages.

A mute testament, an anemic testament.

The power to joke.

Trump, the defender of youth, the defender of Maxwell.

The joke is on you.

A collection of people.

a poem by Matt Christman.

Just

two more quick things before we close out today's episode.

A week from today's episode, we will be talking to Seth Harp about his new book, The Fort Bragg Cartel.

This is one that we are really looking forward to.

This book is jaw-dropping.

But I would like to just, on Seth's behalf, remind you that that book hits stores tomorrow.

So be sure to check out Seth Harp's book, The Fort Bragg Cartel, and start reading it in advance of our interview a week.

Read along, if you don't mind.

And also, if you were in New York City on Wednesday of this week, Truanon will be doing an event with Seth Harp at

Chris, is it the Bell House?

Yes, the Bell House.

The Bell House in Brooklyn.

They're doing a book launch event, Truanon and Seth Harp at the Bell House in Brooklyn.

So come check that out if you are so inclined and buy Seth's book to prepare for Monday's episode.

Now, and finally, finally, one last announcement of which I will turn over to our good colleague and friend, Chris Wade.

Yes.

Hello, everybody.

Speaking of normalizing fatherhood,

I just wanted to tell all of our listeners that my wife and I...

My wife, Molly, and I are expecting our first child, a little girl, in the next few weeks.

Bobblepub.

Thank you, Matt.

And so, you know, we've been semi-public about this, but, you know, I feel like we should let our listeners in a little bit to what's going on with us.

Mostly just to say thank you for supporting the show for so long, to give me, Matt, all of us stability to build families and lives off of.

And also, more importantly, to say that when the baby comes, I will be taking some significant time off, the first and most I've stepped away from the show since, I don't know, November 2017 when I came on.

So I think I've set up some systems to leave you guys all in good hands.

But if things do stray, wobble, fall apart, do not get in touch with me.

Do not message.

Do not email.

I will be off in babyland doing my best to normalize fatherhood for all of us out there.

So that's my little announcement.

Thank you guys all so much for listening and supporting the show for so long.

You know,

it's hard work, you know, like having a baby.

Trust me, it's hard work.

But if you're ever, you know, down and out, remember this.

At least you had another stroke.

Yes.

I will be doing my best not to have a stroke before the baby comes.

That's the main thing that

I'm concentrating on right now.

Avoid the stroke for the love of God.

It's ironic because you need to make strokes to make the baby.

Woo!

Woo!

There we go.

All right, everybody.

All the love and congratulations in the world to Chris and Molly.

I can't wait to meet the new person.

Yes, all right, everybody.

Uh, till next time, cheers and oh, sweetheart, you know what I like.

Oh,

shandily lace.

All right, it's the big bopper of the big choppo signing off.

Till next time, everybody.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

See you, Friday.

I've been talking to the three little pigs.

I went to saw your mana flip their wings Said you're the swinginess and that's no lie

I'll take you baby for her you I got eyes A baby lemoneta, I wanna be your friend A ping pang, biddle deep bang, baby lemon