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Speaker 7 Well, on this month's Club Random Classics, we go back to Bill Burr with zero filters, duh, and no punch and plenty of punch lines.

Speaker 7 Cancel culture, aging, marriage, being a director for hire, we cut through the crap and nothing's off limits as usual here. It's funny, it's rude, it's entertaining.
I loved it.

Speaker 7 We get along in our way. So grab a drink and brace yourself for that one.

Speaker 7 Bill?

Speaker 7 Hello, William.

Speaker 7 You're there. Yeah, so

Speaker 7 we're not confused. All right.
What's going on, sir? Man of your word.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I showed up. You showed up.
You said you would and you did. That means a lot to me.
I appreciate it. Well, the bar is set low if that's all it is.

Speaker 7 like who doesn't show up people are you kidding

Speaker 7 that's why i don't have guests for the most part i don't have guests because by the way i don't want to deal with that that is something i also am in somewhat in awe of

Speaker 7 i couldn't do that you know there's some things i can do i think a showbiz is as good or better than anybody but then there's things like improv i couldn't do

Speaker 7 rap okay there you go especially right up right up the dome yeah

Speaker 7 oh that's amazing that blows my mind but But also, but just talking straight to the guy,

Speaker 7 just starting, and it's just you, Rush Limbaugh did it. Yes, he did.

Speaker 7 And you do it. But that is a rare skill, my friend, to just go.

Speaker 7 It's probably some personality flaw in the rest of my life, but in that moment,

Speaker 7 it works out.

Speaker 7 Well, I know a lot of people that would agree with you. Well, I mean, don't you have a childhood that lends itself to humor because of

Speaker 7 who was the Boston comic who used to say you had a bad father like you did? And he was like, when Bing Crosby's kids were like talking about how Bing Crosby was, remember that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 He was like, hey, my dad used to hit us with

Speaker 7 my dad used to hit us with your father's record.

Speaker 7 You know, that was a Boston comic. I forget who it was.
Yeah. Yeah, that was.

Speaker 7 But yeah, you have

Speaker 7 fodder. You know, like all of pain in life is

Speaker 7 fodder for art, right?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I guess that's, that's kind of how it,

Speaker 7 it's kind of how it works. I mean, considering that's class.
Look at that. I just, I used to, when I used to drink, I used to just fill it up till it was above the ice cubes.

Speaker 7 Well, I used to drink like that too, but, you know, we all have to throttle back as we get older. Those are my, I like that joke that you used to do.

Speaker 7 Said, if you don't stop drinking, as you get older, you start looking like a Kennedy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But it's not, it's not

Speaker 7 Ted Kennedy.

Speaker 7 I mean, he did have that.

Speaker 7 He had a lot of demons. No, but he had a he would have been a hell of a stand-up.
All the pain that guy had, and then the pain he caused. Ted Kennedy? Oh, my God.
He would have crushed it.

Speaker 7 That giant head. I know stories about him from like.

Speaker 7 Let's keep it light, huh?

Speaker 7 what could be

Speaker 7 yeah you're going to teddy you could teddy darkness can i smoke a cigar in here of course you can do whatever you want in here but um

Speaker 7 i i

Speaker 7 dated someone whose mother

Speaker 7 like uh

Speaker 7 was

Speaker 7 someone he visited as a lady they had a book club

Speaker 7 what do you defend by the way you were very good as jack kennedy in the seinfeld movie oh thank you that was a perfect i had a great movie

Speaker 7 movie?

Speaker 7 So good. I've loved it.
And you know what? I have to say, and Jerry was here just a few days ago.

Speaker 7 I heard terrible things about it.

Speaker 7 To be honest, I think that's a good idea. Well, I think younger people, because I think younger people didn't know some of the references.
I don't think they even saw it yet.

Speaker 7 I don't know where, where that came from.

Speaker 7 And then I watched it. I was like, wow.
Not only is the is the concept so genius,

Speaker 7 the juxtaposition of the most trivial thing in the world, breakfast cereal, with all that stuff that was going on in the 60s, NASA and the Cold War. You know, all that.

Speaker 7 And what's funny is the battle that Kellogg's and Post, it's the same battle that people are fighting with the Army. I loved all of that.

Speaker 7 I also loved when they went to the grocery store when Post and Kellogg's are racing to get their Pop-Tarts there. Did you notice one truck was a Ford, one was a Chevy? No, I did not know.

Speaker 7 Like, there was a lot of little things in there. Oh, there were.

Speaker 7 But what's funny is treating it as if it was the end of the world.

Speaker 7 The space. Yes.
That's what was funny. The M.
Khrushchev, that it was important in the Cuba, the Cold War, El Sucre, all that stuff.

Speaker 7 And the pacing, for a first-time director, I thought, I love that about it, but it just moved.

Speaker 7 Indians make good directors, though.

Speaker 7 They do. Like, who else would be in that category? This guy, Bill Burr, directed this movie, Old Dads? Yeah, I saw it.
It was good. You're right.

Speaker 7 I thought you were going to say, I didn't think it was that good. No, I didn't know you directed it.
My heart just went down like that. I was like, oh, God, I didn't set myself up.

Speaker 7 I actually didn't know you directed it. I directed it because there was no one available.
That's the only reason why I did it, because we were coming out of the pandemic.

Speaker 7 So all the directors that were going to shoot something in 2020, whenever the hell it was, they didn't shoot it because we were quarantined. And then they were like two projects behind.

Speaker 7 So they started pulling that like, it's going to go away. It's going to go away.
We have a big future in filmmaking, very much like Luis J.K., but, you know, without the film.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but Louis just makes movies on his own. I know.
Did you see that one? I loved it. That 4th of July with your list.
Absolutely. Yeah, it was fantastic.
I mean, don't get me started on that, but

Speaker 7 isn't it time everyone just went, okay,

Speaker 7 it wasn't a cool thing to do, but it's been long enough. And welcome back to the $50 million from him.

Speaker 7 I think they punished him. Enough.
Enough. Not every, I mean, for Christ's sake, it's not the end of the world.
People have done so much

Speaker 7 worse things and gotten less. There's no rhyme or reason to the Me Too type punishments.
Well, it's like most things.

Speaker 7 It started off with something everyone could agree on, and then quickly it just spun out of, I remember whenever that cancel culture got to the point of where it was,

Speaker 7 I don't like some of the topics in your stand-up act. Right.
Yeah, that's when it got weird. But like, it's, that's all over.

Speaker 7 It's all over. That's, that's.
What's over? Cancel culture? Yeah, no one cares anymore. That's so, that's so not true.
You, either one of it could get canceled in the next two minutes. No.
For what?

Speaker 7 Well, if you're not doing anything, well, it's just like you did this joke about, you know, this group of people or that group of people, and I've decided to,

Speaker 7 you know, it's, I don't know. I feel like I'm going back two years of my life.
Like, I don't even, I don't even think about it anymore. Nice ashtray, by the way.
Isn't that lovely? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I've never known I got anything. I probably should.

Speaker 7 Somebody somebody gave this to me yeah that's the kind of thing they used to give you when you retired after a while the watch in an ashtray um when you think

Speaker 7 when you think about like how much

Speaker 7 you know when you I don't know you probably had similar upbringings you know you treasured like almost every physical thing you had even it was a hand-me-down like you had just certain things in your little room and then as you go through life you so much stuff and you don't don't even know where you got all the stuff.

Speaker 7 Well, you know what about that? What's great about that is there's no upgrade, and everything became like disposable.

Speaker 7 Like, like electric cars are like laptops. Like, after a couple of years, like, they're not worth anything because of like the technology, which doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 7 But, like, same thing with like a laptop, with phones, all of that stuff. What do you drive? What do I drive? I'm a truck guy.
I got a Ford F-250 and I have an old F-100.

Speaker 7 Really? Why?

Speaker 7 The same reason, why does a guy drive a Ferrari down Sunset Strip and never take it to a racetrack? That's what he's into. My Ferraris, I always wanted

Speaker 7 a Ford F-250, eight-footbed, regular cab. Why? Are you falling dirt? Is that guy going to the racetrack? Have you ever driven one of those on a racetrack? You cannot flip them over.

Speaker 7 They're unbelievable. The technology and the respect you get for racing of what they're putting their bodies through.
Because I didn't, you know, I was driving like an asshole.

Speaker 7 I finally realized that you try to go smooth around the track, not try to just stomp on the gas and slam on the brakes. But like,

Speaker 7 I like driving, that's why I like cigars. I like going slow because my brain goes fast.
And there's something about driving a truck. It's slow, it slows me down and I can think.

Speaker 7 You like driving. I love it.
Me too. I would hate to be at that stage or for whatever reason where I had to be driven everywhere.

Speaker 7 You know, I mean, sometimes you do, like when we're on the road, probably you get picked up by somebody, right? You're not driving yourself in Cincinnati. Right.

Speaker 7 But there's something, and

Speaker 7 I see these electric cars now next to me on the highway

Speaker 7 that, I mean, not like self-driving cars. That's insane.
First of all, what kind of question? Why do we need that?

Speaker 7 I'll never get used to it.

Speaker 7 The bottom line. is I don't think I will, like, some things, look, I don't fight progress.

Speaker 7 I mean, we all love our our phones come on it would to put a little computer like that in your pocket that does so many things it was it was it changed everybody's lives mostly for the better and some for the worse when it's done to kids heads really fucked them up kids' heads my head I can't like I I stayed off Instagram for a month and my short-term memory got like it felt like 30% better and I realized like oh maybe I'm I'm not getting dementia.

Speaker 7 I just think my brain is like getting scrambled. Like the amount of times I'm sitting there going like, put this down, put it down, talk to your wife.

Speaker 7 You're supposed to be watching this movie with her. And like something on TV, I'll be like, is that guy still alive? Or like, what kind of car is that? And then I'm just fucking, I'm like that.

Speaker 7 And I missed. When you're looking up the answer to those questions.
Which then, and then that leads me to videos. And then I'm just going, like, I never saw that movie, Girl Interrupted.

Speaker 7 And I saw it on the Criterion channel. I want to watch that.
And there's all these great actors in it. I want to see this.

Speaker 7 So I put it on, and something in there reminded me of one flew over the cuckoo's nest. And I was trying to think of the cast,

Speaker 7 you know, who was in it.

Speaker 7 Danny DeVito was in it, young Danny DeVito and all of that. And I just went down this thing and all of a sudden, it felt like 10 minutes and the credits were rolling.

Speaker 7 And I was going like, like someone, I forget, somebody won an Oscar on that movie. And I like totally

Speaker 7 based on it. I think that might be the difference in our generations, which is not that, I mean, we're maybe like 13 years apart.

Speaker 7 You're one of my elders, man. I respect you for that.

Speaker 7 I feel like I'm in the Reagan Mondale division. No, I just remember when you did my podcast, you kept being like, I'm not that much older than you.
And I'm not. And the

Speaker 7 13 years is a long fucking time.

Speaker 7 Well, I think the point I made then, and I'll remake it for you, is that to anyone young who is what we care about in this generation, in this discussion, because it's like, well, we don't want to lose that audience.

Speaker 7 Trust me, when you're 25, you and I are the same. And I told you this story about

Speaker 7 like you paint. Look at you.
When Leno and Conan were going through that whole thing that we all remember as comedians so well. Remember the fight for the crown at the Tonight Show?

Speaker 7 I think it was 2009. And I was with my girlfriend was 25 at the time.
And we were talking about it. And I said, well, you know, it's a big age difference.
Leno's 59 and Conan's 46.

Speaker 7 And she went, yeah, that's the same thing to me. And I always remember that.
So we're this, we are the younger audience.

Speaker 7 You know, if you, if you and I are just like hanging out talking, but if we go back far enough. You're a dad.
If we go, if we go back like that adds 10 years. You're married and a dad.

Speaker 7 See, I know it doesn't. Yes, it does.
You just hate kids. I do.
But like having never gotten married, not married,

Speaker 7 that definitely closes that gap. Anyway, the point being...
I don't like how you just made that point and then said anyway really quickly before I could refute it. Anyway.

Speaker 7 Did you learn that in debating class? I did. Because you said anyway, I'm going to roll with that.
No. Well, I mean, you've got to be able to.

Speaker 7 No, but it's like, I mean, you're like pre-stand-up spotlight, you know, as far as like, you know.

Speaker 7 What does that mean? I mean, that's just, I mean, you were like comedy on the road, evening at the improv. I mean, that's, yeah, that's a whole different generation than mine.

Speaker 7 I was, the point I was going to make is that, oh, we, this, to me, says. two different generations.
Like, I don't think many people from my generation ever have what you just described, this

Speaker 7 addiction to social media, going down rabbit holes,

Speaker 7 the attention span issue here where you're watching something, but it makes you think of something else, and then you go to that, just what you were just telling me.

Speaker 7 That's like very alien to me. One of the best things you did for society is you didn't have kids.
Well, you know. Thank you.
I know you meant that in a snarky way. No, no, but I know.

Speaker 7 No, we need more people like you

Speaker 7 that can just admit that I don't want to deal with this shit.

Speaker 7 The worst thing is, is when a person person who doesn't want to have kids has kids because they think they're supposed to do it, and then they fucking don't like them, and then that kid has to spend their whole life without that love, and then they meet my kid, and then they're a fucking asshole to them.

Speaker 7 So then it's what ends, or they met us or whatever. So like, um.
Has that happened?

Speaker 7 You've had kids, your kids have had to encounter kids who you thought were shitty kids because of the parents being shitty.

Speaker 7 Well, that's one of my favorite things that they say, like when they go, you know what, kids are mean. And you know what? I always say to them, I always say, yeah, you know who makes kids? God.

Speaker 7 So stop like worshiping this guy every fucking Sunday. He makes mean kids who say shit to other kids.

Speaker 7 He makes people who don't want to have kids who end up having kids. And then those kids don't get love.
And then they go to school and they're fucking mean.

Speaker 7 And they say stuff.

Speaker 7 to kids they carry it for the rest of their lives. Like if anything I can instill with

Speaker 7 my kids is like,

Speaker 7 like, I, I'm the attribute I have as a father is I remember what it was like to be a kid.

Speaker 7 So one of the big things is when in the morning time when my kids are getting dressed and my wife picks out the clothes, if they're like, I don't like this shirt, I'm like, wear one that you like.

Speaker 7 Because if you go to school with, I don't like my shirt energy, your shoulders are going to be slumped and then they're coming at you. I want you liking your shirt.
Let's start your day liking.

Speaker 7 what you're wearing. I wish I had someone to tell me that.

Speaker 7 Most of my schooling, I would say most, I went to school with a knot in my stomach.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you got

Speaker 7 picked on. Because even if I wasn't,

Speaker 7 it was always the potential, and sometimes I was.

Speaker 7 It just never felt right to me. If you're a control freak, which I kind of am, childhood is a kind of torture because you just do not have control yet.

Speaker 7 I got happier as I got older because I got more control.

Speaker 7 I don't need the control. You know what, Night, I remember the first night when I moved out and I was on my own and I remember just being out and having nobody to answer to when I got home.

Speaker 7 And I was just like, this is fucking amazing. It's an exhilarating feeling.
Yeah. It is.

Speaker 7 But then what you quickly realize is you have to become your own parent, which you have to tell yourself it's time to go to bed or maybe you're drinking too much or something like that because I saw

Speaker 7 you see you watch people mess up not just show business, but just careers in general because they, you know, they can't, like, I feel like the people that had the most overbearing parents a lot of times, like just that feeling when they finally move out of freedom, it's like literally, like, I can't, it's,

Speaker 7 I think it's, it's too much for them. Yes, it is.
It's, it's, you know what it is? It's, it's, uh,

Speaker 7 Morgan Freeman. No, who's the other guy in Shawshank Redemption who.
Tim Robbins. Yeah, but no, the guy who he gets out of prison and the old guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 He can't handle it because he's so used to prison.

Speaker 7 And now he's like, he's working at the supermarket and he says, can I take a pee, boss? And they say, you don't have to ask every time. You just take a pee, you know? And he can't hack it.

Speaker 7 There is something to that. I mean, the mind is a strange place.
I feel like people that watch 24-hour news networks get institutionalized.

Speaker 7 to blame colors of ties rather than the corporations behind them.

Speaker 7 And they will just sit there convinced that, you know, Trump is the worst thing that happened to this country or Biden is the worst thing that happened to this country.

Speaker 7 And it's just like, you know, you might want to just kind of push through that veil a little bit further. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 so I kind of have this thing like when I get around like the 24-hour news zombies,

Speaker 7 I just, Jesus Christ, was that Jarrett Hall?

Speaker 7 Nobody, nobody under the age of 50 got that one.

Speaker 7 Remember that? I was on the Lawrence Welk show.

Speaker 7 He used to

Speaker 7 pedal the gerital. To my point, the 25-year-old is watching this going, look at these two old guys.
They're not going, oh, the guy with cigars. I know that.
He's actually 13 years younger.

Speaker 7 I know, but you have to go all the way down to 25 to appear my age.

Speaker 7 Well,

Speaker 7 I don't know. You can see, look at the difference.
Look at the difference. You can just see the way we dress.
We're not different people.

Speaker 7 This is like, you know, you come from, you know, the slacks generation. Like, slacks were just a thing.
These are not a good thing. No, but slacks were a thing.
No, I look good.

Speaker 7 That's the difference, is that you were wearing good. You're wearing a shirt.
You're going to throw that in my face.

Speaker 7 He got a t-shirt on.

Speaker 7 You look like a fucking defendant. Look at you trying to beat him, drinking a driving charge.

Speaker 7 He doesn't have any priors, Your Honor. Look at him.
He's wearing his Chelsea boots.

Speaker 7 He's a fucking, what do they call it? A productive member of society. He needs his car for work.

Speaker 7 I think that this should be a suspension,

Speaker 7 not a full-on.

Speaker 7 That's good.

Speaker 7 You ever get busted for that? What? Drinking and driving? Yes. I had a DUI in 92.
It was a nightmare. Could have wrecked my life because it was just as I was starting politically incorrect.

Speaker 7 And I had to get a special dispensation from the court to interrupt my 14-week corrective program that you have to go to when you get a DUI.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 if they were killed to watch you in that classroom, having lost all that control. Oh.
And just having to sit there in that case. Well, it was everybody who got a DUI.

Speaker 7 I mean, it was just a cross-section of society. We weren't criminals.
We were just like people, just douchebag millennials coming home from club, and we had one too many and were driving too fast.

Speaker 7 When I was stopped, I happened to be wearing leopard print shoes. Now, if you think I wasn't going to get a ticket that night, and you know, I don't know.

Speaker 7 I want to hear why, what sort of party were you going to? Were that seemed like. It wasn't a party.
It was 1992.

Speaker 7 I had just done a sitcom and it was wardrobe from the sitcom I had. I guess we thought, you know, don't ask me about clothes.

Speaker 7 I'm sure you wore also ridiculous things in the day. No, I did, but I didn't, like, leopard print was always like...
Leopard.

Speaker 7 That was always for that woman of a certain age that wanted, you know, one more lap around the block.

Speaker 7 She'd go to a local watering hole and she'd wear her leopard print blouse. Well, I'm sure some cool people have worn leopard print in the past.
I'm sure I could find pictures of rock stars.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so

Speaker 7 they can wear anything. Anyway, not Bill Maher reading the New York Times, driving around fucking leopard print shoes.
You know what I really resented? And they were hard.

Speaker 7 If you missed a meeting or if you were late by even one minute, you had to repeat the whole program.

Speaker 7 You had to go to six AA meetings, which I really resented because I was a little over the limit, but I was not. It doesn't mean I was an alcoholic.

Speaker 7 So I had to go to these meetings and we would go around the room and everybody would say, hi, I'm Phil. I'm an alcoholic.
I'm Bob. I'm an alcoholic.
I wouldn't say it.

Speaker 7 I just wouldn't. I'm like, hi, I'm Bill.
I'm not an alcoholic. They made me come to this class.
That's great.

Speaker 7 They just said that yeah no and this thing alcoholics are cool like they would be like all right i get it yeah absolutely yeah

Speaker 7 the only one in there like that you know and i also

Speaker 7 that like part of being an alcoholic is drunk drivers passing through your classes in groups of them yeah i got busted in 89.

Speaker 7 and so at the if you got this dui that was like a part of growing up that's all you did was drive drunk and the thing about it is is there was no uber back then so you just kind of had to like

Speaker 7 you we were all idiots and we didn't understand that we could kill somebody even in the ladies they dragged the wreckage there You just had that young stupid brain like it's not gonna happen to me So that would end up being that was like the best thing that happened to me because it happened when I was 21 and I was already starting to feel like 21 felt old to me then and I was like, what am I doing?

Speaker 7 You know, I'm going part-time to college. I'm unloading trucks and I'm getting shit faced and I'm broke every Thursday waiting for my check.
What am I doing?

Speaker 7 How long can I do this? That is what has made you the guy who sells stadiums, which is very, very few comics.

Speaker 7 I know, but

Speaker 7 you play to the size and audience that very, very, very, very few comics do or ever get to do. Not that many wouldn't even want to, but they don't even get the option.

Speaker 7 But it all comes from you are an everyman.

Speaker 7 crate you lifted all that stuff they see in you which and you're of course very funny and great at your craft but like there is a emotional connection that they have to you.

Speaker 7 Well, you know what is a very valuable thing. I think that where I grew up, though, is another thing.

Speaker 7 Because I'm growing up, I'm trying to, like, I have a hard time thinking of people in my life, all my childhood friends, everybody I worked with, every place I worked, everybody was funny.

Speaker 7 There's a weird thing about

Speaker 7 oh my God.

Speaker 7 Dude, there was this. Isn't it funny?

Speaker 7 Dude, there's guys I went to high school with, I'm still not as funny as they were and the thing about it was what was made them even funnier was they weren't trying to be funny well they must be really pissed off they're still carrying the crowd they had they had you just had good childhoods they had cool parents and like they were happy and they you said they're funnier than you

Speaker 7 i mean as far as i remember like they they you know Yeah, like some of the guys that I can't even explain, like they,

Speaker 7 they, they will, they, there's a difference.

Speaker 7 Like, I tell the story, they were the story like these guys they would they would get into a fucking fistfight They didn't care where they were and and I always like just looked at them and they were like they were free I just loved like I would be like because they were kids because when we're kids everything's funny everybody seems funny you're just you're just filled with so much extra energy and part of it you expend just giggling and laughing if you're in a good mood and you're not when you're not these guys were fucking funny

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Speaker 7 I remember one of my memories.

Speaker 7 No, I had a buddy of mine. He fucking, you know, all my friends gambled.
He was losing so much fucking money.

Speaker 7 on the Houston Rockets as he kept doubling down, thinking that they were going to win, and they kept losing games. They had these great players.

Speaker 7 And he literally called long-distance information, not joking.

Speaker 7 He said in Houston, last name Elijah.

Speaker 7 And he didn't say he was going to do it. He went up and did it.

Speaker 7 And we've just looked over and we just started fucking like, he was high, but he literally thought that he was going to get Akeem Elijahon on the phone and he was going to read him the riot act the way he played that night.

Speaker 7 Like, I'm talking about that shit. Like, I would have done that as the joke just so everyone would hear it.
He did it dead serious.

Speaker 7 I'm talking about guys that would go in to get their hair cut and they had a fucking joint behind their ear and they would comb out their hair and it would fall.

Speaker 7 Like, they were fucking hilarious. And they weren't trying to be just how they lived their lives was fucking hilarious.
By the way, that was the same guy. My friends will watch this guy.

Speaker 7 I know he's talking about the same guy who did both of us. I guess I'm less of a fan of practical jokes than many others are.
I guess I'm more verbal,

Speaker 7 but you know, like I've there was no practical joke in there. Well,

Speaker 7 that was a guy

Speaker 7 when you actually do it. He was speaking from his heart.
No, the Elijah thing.

Speaker 7 I mean, to do that.

Speaker 7 He, like, legit thought he was going to get him on the phone. I understand.
To me, that's a practical joke. It's practical.

Speaker 7 I thought a practical joke is if I stick a bucket of water above a door and you open it and it gets you all wet. That's another kind.
And I go, ahooga with a horn.

Speaker 7 I mean, like, you always hear these stories about how George Clooney and some of these big stars, they're like, they're practical jokers. Like, like

Speaker 7 one movie, I forget he did with Matt Damon. And every day,

Speaker 7 he had the wardrobe department take out his pants just a little bit, take in his pants, so that he thought he was getting fat when he really wasn't because the pants would not fit.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's a fucking, I mean,

Speaker 7 that's a joke. That's like a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 7 Here's another thing, too, for young actors, when you go to wardrobe, because they wear the same pants, like, I don't give a fuck what it says on the sides. It's not that size.

Speaker 7 They either let it out or let it in.

Speaker 7 And ICE is just going like, i'm a fucking 34 like what is going on am i retaining water what's going on and like it really gets in your head and you start eating like salads and shit you know and it's just like what is your regimen i'm very curious like your health regimen how much do you care about what you eat or you no i do i i uh

Speaker 7 I don't fuck with desserts. I don't eat bread.
And I've laid off like sugar and stuff.

Speaker 7 I had a little bit of a relapse. But like when you get

Speaker 7 to be my age, you're not going to go to the gym and burn it off what's going to happen is your joints are going to wear out before the donut does so just stop eating the fucking donut so i just try to like yeah maintain that's exactly and i keep my shirt on

Speaker 7 i'm not i'm not one of these testosterone fucking hgh guys what do you think what do you price of that's going to be because you can't have your cake and eat it you can't get your frat boy no yoked body back at a certain age you can look good in clothes yes okay and you just have to accept accept that.

Speaker 7 And luckily, women accept that. Most women.
It's very, very rare. They look very forgiving.
And I also think they like if you're a little bit out of shape because it gives them some leeway.

Speaker 7 Well, you keep telling yourself that. They don't like that.

Speaker 7 I'm not telling myself that. I'm telling you that.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 I just don't think that's true. But that's how you say it.
But they are much more forgiving of that than men are.

Speaker 7 You know, the old saying, men fall in love through their eyes, women fall in love through their ears. um

Speaker 7 we are just somebody selling books no that no that that's no there is truth in that are you kidding there is absolute truth in that women can be what

Speaker 7 that's that to me is when you're younger when you get older and you're actually want to get married what you're looking for is a good person and at that point i feel like men and women it kind of levels out And at that point, you realize, all right, I got some baggage.

Speaker 7 You got some, can I deal with your bullshit? You know what I mean? That has to be that initial attraction and all of that, but it really comes down to that. Like,

Speaker 7 you know what got me? My wife is gorgeous, but what really got me like going, who is this person? I remember

Speaker 7 we were hanging out. I had

Speaker 7 a sofa that folded down into a futon when I first met her. And we were watching TV.
And somehow we were talking about dogs. And she started imitating a dog, going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 7 And she just threw herself into it and it was fucking adorable and there was there was like a freedom of the way she did it and that's the second time i brought that up when i used to watch my friends just get into fights the freedom of it because i lived in such an oppressive fucking kind of thing control freak thing that i was really attracted to that and and like um i was still as a performer trying to free myself up on stage and i just saw i thought she was the most beautiful woman i'd ever seen and i just thought and just seeing this other side of her that you know like there's this whole stereotype that beautiful women women aren't funny.

Speaker 7 My wife is fucking hilarious. So it was kind of this.
And then I got in a car with her one time and she puts on like steely dan. I'm in Harlem.
Okay. African-American woman.
She pops in steely dan.

Speaker 7 Like the fucking levels, I was just going like, who is this person? And it was beyond anything

Speaker 7 that I had met. So that's how I didn't be like, oh, look at, you know, nice tits.
It wasn't that. It was like, this person is like.

Speaker 7 Was this the first black girl you ever went with?

Speaker 7 I was equal opportunity, so no.

Speaker 7 I dated them all. I had a good time in New York, put it that way.
I had a good time. You lived in New York.

Speaker 7 Well, first, initially, I lived my shutdown years, the Cold War emotionally for me was growing up in Massachusetts.

Speaker 7 And then when I went down to New York and I finally had moved out and everything and finally got through college, I went down there and I and I that's where you went after college, New York.

Speaker 7 I stayed home and paid off my college. I paid off my college debt, and

Speaker 7 one of my buddies gave me some money because, you know, we had a big family. So, I mean, you kind of had to like work your way through college.
So

Speaker 7 I had to pay that off. And then going to New York scared the shit out of me.
So I had a day job and I was doing stand-up. And I was driving this piece of shit car from high school.

Speaker 7 I put a new engine in it so I wouldn't take on the debt. And I saved up.
like I had like 10 grand.

Speaker 7 And then I just went down to New York, you know, and I was going like, all right, I got got to get a day job. And somehow that morphed into, I need to get more gigs.
And I never got a day job.

Speaker 7 And I had just a couple of acting gigs that padded me enough that then I got an agent. And then I've been on, like, I haven't had a day job since 95, which is so cool to me.

Speaker 7 I mean, we are so fortunate.

Speaker 7 I always say, I hope there's not reincarnation because I will not, I'm not going to pull a better life. No.

Speaker 7 And I know that, I mean, I know that sounds crazy to some people.

Speaker 7 And maybe it's not. Maybe it is crazy because maybe some people live lives that we have no idea about.
And it's really great to be an accountant. No, but the thing is, if it could be.

Speaker 7 But some people, that's their passion. So

Speaker 7 that's not. Right.
That's not working or managing people's money or construction or whatever. People like building stuff or whatever.
I think the big thing that everybody would like is to.

Speaker 7 do a job that they love and work for themselves.

Speaker 7 That's kind of the best. The idea that we're working now is a joke.
We are working now. It's literally a joke.

Speaker 7 But we are working. Now, why can't we just say people are different, especially especially? You can't say that, and you just said it, and nothing's going to, there's nothing going to be.

Speaker 7 But we should say it. We're just different when it comes to how we, what we want, how we relate to people.
No, that's true. Because I'll tell you this.

Speaker 7 Some people aren't even heterosexual, believe it or not. Here's one.
You're gay and trans.

Speaker 7 And that, ever since that has gone like mainstream, like when we were growing up, it was like

Speaker 7 you're either gay or straight. That was it.
You didn't realize there was this whole fucking, this whole, that's like a whole

Speaker 7 thing going on there. Here's another difference in generations.
When I was growing up, it wasn't even gay. It wasn't even there.

Speaker 7 I don't remember that coming up in high school at all.

Speaker 7 And trans I never even heard of in high school. I saw this great comment.
There's another thing too why you should scroll.

Speaker 7 It's the level of comedy by regular people, the comments that they leave on this. Oh, my God.
I agree with that. They're fucking amazing.
They are. They can, yeah.

Speaker 7 So someone was, they showed this clip of Liberace, and it was that weird period where rock and roll, rock had taken over, and there was these older acts trying to be hip.

Speaker 7 So they were doing their swing versions of like these rock songs. So I forget what Liberace

Speaker 7 was. singing, but the way he was dressed and just like, just running around like that.
And this guy wrote in the comments, he said,

Speaker 7 he said, when I was younger,

Speaker 7 my dad described Liberace as an eccentric old man.

Speaker 7 Yeah. You weren't gay.
He's a little eccentric. He worded it better, but like

Speaker 7 all his homosexuality was filed under eccentric. And it's just like...
Well,

Speaker 7 they had many, many euphemisms for gay. You couldn't say that in Hollywood.
For example, the director, George Kukar,

Speaker 7 everyone in town knew he was gay. Was Cu Card?

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 George Kewkar, C-U-K-O-R. You never heard of him? No.

Speaker 7 Phyllis. Was his brother Billy Boom Mike?

Speaker 7 What? I don't even want to. Oh, Q-Card.
It's like, oh, like, I want the Q-Card. Q-Card, not Q-Card.
All right.

Speaker 7 Anyway, he was known as a woman's director.

Speaker 7 They couldn't say gay. That was the...

Speaker 7 He's a confirmed bachelor. That's another one.
That was another one. Yes, a

Speaker 7 confirmed bachelor. I actually, out of all this shit, like homophobia is going to be the dumbest.
It's just how somebody is born. And I don't understand why anybody gives a but it's true though

Speaker 7 you didn't like that it is true i'm just saying it's it sounds like i deserve that a little bit but i i don't i don't understand like why all of these people well religion right that's what gets everybody going yes and

Speaker 7 i certainly made my bones with that subject So I'm glad we're on the same page there. I am 100% on the same page.

Speaker 7 I'm not saying that there's not something out there, but it doesn't give a fuck about us, or it wouldn't have set this thing up the way it is. Right.
Where Where

Speaker 7 sociopaths seem to just fall up the stairs to success, and then these fucking nerds make all their dreams come true, whatever weaponry or robot they want to make them.

Speaker 7 No, Justice on Earth is like an award show. It's just random.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And it gets dark. That does get dark.
I thought that we just let that sit there.

Speaker 7 But,

Speaker 7 well, you're a great star. Well, here's something.

Speaker 7 I'll tell you about great being a parent is all the highs I've had as a comedian, there was no bigger high than teaching my daughter how to ride a bicycle.

Speaker 7 That day I let go when she took off was fucking amazing. What do your kids think of daddy, big star, and like daddy playing these arenas? They don't really know it.

Speaker 7 My daughter said to me, she's only like, she knows now, but when she was like five, she said to me, She goes, dad, how come everybody knows who you are? And I just go, I'm old.

Speaker 7 I've met a lot of people. I don't have like pictures of me,

Speaker 7 you know, doing stand-up in my house. I'm just totally like...
You lied to the child.

Speaker 7 You lied to a child.

Speaker 7 Well, she didn't say, are you a comedian? And I said, no, I just don't bring that home. I'm dead.
I don't want to be a comedian in my house. But they're going to notice.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they're going to, but I'm not embarrassed of my job. Not embarrassed.
But I don't come home and be like, hey, you know, I made bonus this weekend in the improv. They had to add a show for dad.

Speaker 7 Like, I would never do that. And also, like, I, I, like, no, but kids, I understand that I chose to be in this business and they didn't.

Speaker 7 If they want to get in the business, I think it's a great business to be in. They don't know, no better or worse than any other business.
And it's just like, if you want to get into it, get into it.

Speaker 7 But don't, I'm not going to be like,

Speaker 7 there are positives and negatives, but it's undeniably

Speaker 7 a variable in a kid's upbringing when their father

Speaker 7 has fame and a great success. I mean,

Speaker 7 that's not the experience of kids, most kids. Now, there's many ways you can handle it.
I mean, we see a lot of Nepo babies. We see a lot of.

Speaker 7 I love that Nepo baby. Everybody's a Nepo baby.
No, they're not. Yeah, they are.

Speaker 7 If your dad's a dentist and you become a dentist, now I don't give you credit for being a dentist because your dad was filling teeth. What a dumb analogy.
Why?

Speaker 7 Because we're talking about Nepo in, we're talking about in.

Speaker 7 You are.

Speaker 7 I am. That's what you're talking about.
No, it's that thing where they go like, I've been doing this bit about, they talk about Hollywood pedophilia, like it's not everywhere.

Speaker 7 Like the Catholic church has to be on the fucking Mount Rushmore of that show. Of course.
And then the Hollywood pedophilia exposed. And it's just like, did you watch The Catch a Predator?

Speaker 7 That was never in Hollywood. Plenty of people coming up that driveway.
Yeah, no one's denying that. No one ever.
You're rape with a Nepo baby. Your dad has a construction company.
You take it over.

Speaker 7 Does somebody call him a Nepo baby? No, it just becomes, you know, Sanford and son. Yeah, but it's a little more pronounced when it's in the arts because you have this.
I hate that word.

Speaker 7 Why? Pronounced. Jesus.
Because that's like a PED. You know what it was? That was like a PED for your fucking point.
Your wife. It's a little more pronounced.
Your wife must be a saint.

Speaker 7 Because, like, boy. Because you're such a victim right now.
No, because you do like to like pick a fight about anything. You just said I was stupid.

Speaker 7 Well, that's. You just came at me.
me that's a completely different subject what you know I just like arguing with you I like arguing with you

Speaker 7 are you kidding it's like it's like sparring with Muhammad Ali

Speaker 7 I want more who was the guy who was the white guy back then

Speaker 7 Trevor Bobby no no no no no no

Speaker 7 oh my god Webner before Tex Cobb it was Webner who was the bleed the beat the bayon bleeder

Speaker 7 I'm gonna remember his name when I get out of here So, Bill, where are you playing if someone wanted to see you do

Speaker 7 stand-up? Coming up, I am at

Speaker 7 the Belco Theater, Denver, Colorado, on June 5th and 6th. The 8th, I'm at the Greek Theater in Berkeley, California with all your Libtard friends.

Speaker 7 June 9th. I love how Libtard doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't even make sense. It's like Moron came up with that.
I hate bad things. Come up with something better than that.

Speaker 7 June 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, I'm at the San Jose Civic Center in San Jose. And then at the end of the month, at the Moore Theater in Seattle, four nights, and I'm going to be taping my next special.

Speaker 7 Four nights. Yep.

Speaker 7 How many nights in a row can you do without being too tired to go on?

Speaker 7 Can you do like every night in a row for a while? It's more like I miss my kids after a while. But you don't mind doing the show every night in a row? No.
I mean, two shows at my age,

Speaker 7 I can get a little like. You do two shows in one night? No, I don't.
I try not to. That's crazy.
I agree. That's a young man's game.
It is. I did enough of those.

Speaker 7 And these kids, like, coming up, I imagine those gigs still exist. Remember the Tuesday through Sunday, two Friday, three Saturday? I certainly lived it.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 And you were just, you were in Portland, Oregon, and you were in Seattle, and

Speaker 7 you were just there.

Speaker 7 You were just fucking there.

Speaker 7 And it was like, it just, and the hardest show of the week is is the second show saturday oh knowing knowing you still have one more to go i did three shows sometimes that's what i'm saying three shows saturday oh i mean but the middle show the first show you just have no hope because you got three and the last one's the last one so that's cool the second one knowing you got to do your

Speaker 7 act again right going oh my god and the third show you know they're not throwing anybody out because no one's really showing up so they they got to sell their booze so you had to basically throw a knife at the comic and they'd be hey hey settle down.

Speaker 7 Settle down. I mean,

Speaker 7 but that's how, that's how you get good, though. And that's how you, you, you, I always hated to like, and then once you got through the Saturday, that was like, okay, I'm done.

Speaker 7 And then you had to sit around the whole fucking day to do one more fucking gig on Sunday. I don't know if that made me better, honestly, that kind of bullshit.
But made you tough, right?

Speaker 7 It made me tough. That's right.

Speaker 7 That actually didn't make the act better. I remember doing those nights, even with two shows, but especially with three, where you were just petrified, I was, that I would forget where I was.

Speaker 7 Every comic knows this nightmare, and say the same joke because you thought you hadn't said it yet, but you said it in the first show.

Speaker 7 So now you've said the same joke in the second show, and the audience looks at you like, oh, wow, what? I would just always ask them, have I told this one yet? I've done three shows.

Speaker 7 I don't even know where I am right now. And I would just say that, and then they would laugh.
And then even if I did repeat a joke, they thought it was funny

Speaker 7 because they think you're just up there and you got the whole thing together.

Speaker 7 It's just like, no, this is just like when you're at work and you don't know what's going on and you're just kind of faking it. Like that's what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 7 So I think that's another thing that like,

Speaker 7 you know, that's actually in a weird way, it's a way to bond with the crowd. Like, all right, this guy's fucking up at work right now.
I can relate to this. Wow.

Speaker 7 I must say I've never explored that avenue of dealing with it. But I don't haven't done two shows in this.
But isn't like like page one?

Speaker 7 I always thought page one in comedy when you learn that it's addressing I mean I remember it happening

Speaker 7 once. I remember where I was.
It was so traumatic. It was Sacramento.
It was December. It was 1983.
Sacramento when nobody knows who you are is that's a tough time to do stand-up. Rough.

Speaker 7 And said the same joke. And I just, I don't remember any of the sympathy from the audience that you describe.
I guess when you're a star and you do it. But if you own up to it.

Speaker 7 No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about it.
No, I

Speaker 7 When nobody knows what it is, there's like this dead silence where there was laughter at your other jokes.

Speaker 7 So you're just like, oh my God, it's like when you stick a pin in your leg and it's numb there.

Speaker 7 No, but if you just said, like, I already told that joke, didn't I? Then they would have laughed. You're like, oh my God, I'm a fucking idiot.
It's my third show. And that would have been fun.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but I was young. And I don't know.

Speaker 7 I just think it's

Speaker 7 gauche.

Speaker 7 But yeah. You go again with the big words.

Speaker 7 What does gauche mean? I've heard the word.

Speaker 7 It means great

Speaker 7 in French.

Speaker 7 Gauche? No, it doesn't.

Speaker 7 Menoufique. Do you remember when you were on real time? Say menu fique, monsieur.
That's you know, you're in the highlight reel. Super.

Speaker 7 You're in the highlight reel because you're on the panel on real time. We're in the guest chair on real time, but with the panel, and you say,

Speaker 7 I don't know what I'm doing on this show. I feel like I didn't study for the test.
Oh, God, yeah.

Speaker 7 I still don't know why you booked me on that show.

Speaker 7 Because you were in the celebrity spot, and because you're a very bright guy, you play this character of the blue-collar regular guy, but you're obviously very, very smart. In a bar.
It's a, you know,

Speaker 7 no.

Speaker 7 Do you know what's really smart? No. Do you know what's really smart? The people they write books about, those are really smart people.

Speaker 7 Well, that's definitely on a level above us yeah that's what i'm saying i'm just comparing me to like your friends who you think are so funny oh i'm kidding

Speaker 7 you know you just want to defend these friends so bad where are they

Speaker 7 what are the like describe the friends me what do they do andy and and bill bob what do they do

Speaker 7 where are they what do you mean what do they do where are they they have they have regular jobs right like

Speaker 7 i'm not gonna get into their lives

Speaker 7 but they i mean everything that you would look down your fucking nose. Do your kids play together still? Yeah.
Your kids play with their kids. That must be a satisfying feeling.

Speaker 7 Oh, I think you said, do my kids play with the, like, together? With their kids. Well, they live back east.
And I also started late, so their kids are grown up. Oh.
Well, that would be

Speaker 7 inappropriate. Yeah, that would be inappropriate.
So they just tell me like it's the greatest thing and just, you know, enjoy every second of it because it's going to fly by or whatever.

Speaker 7 And I've let go a lot of that. That whole fucking enjoy every second second of it.

Speaker 7 It's like the reason why you feel, I think, when you get older as a parent that you didn't enjoy it enough is because of the responsibility to make a functioning, empathetic human being.

Speaker 7 So you can't fucking enjoy it because you're waiting for whatever other shoe is going to drop. And, you know,

Speaker 7 you still have that attitude? Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't listen to any parent that comes at me with some negative shit.
I just go like, well, you obviously fucked the job up,

Speaker 7 you know. And then also, there's like this thing that parents have that once they have kids, they become these all-knowing beings because, and they know more than you because their kids are older.

Speaker 7 And it's like, that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Speaker 7 There's like, I remember when I thought for a minute I was playing drums, I was like, well, maybe this is what I'm going to do because I didn't want to have a real job.

Speaker 7 So I was playing drums, but every time I would go to the music store, I would see some like eight-year-old kid go in there and he just had it.

Speaker 7 And he was already expressing himself, or she was on the drums. And I just remembered, like,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 I don't know what the fuck my point is at this. Just understand.

Speaker 7 But I couldn't go up to that kid and be like, well, I've been paying longer than you. And let me tell you something.
I was like, no, you're better at this shit. You're already better at this shit

Speaker 7 than I am. So

Speaker 7 parenting, it could be like that. I could be better than you.
So maybe what you're telling me

Speaker 7 is like,

Speaker 7 how do I know you don't suck at this fucking job?

Speaker 7 But that had it. You have to be born with it because show business is so competitive that unless you have a great amount of the innate ability,

Speaker 7 whether you're a comic or a drummer or whatever it is,

Speaker 7 even then you may not get to the top or close to the top because

Speaker 7 there are people who will have a lot of innate ability, but then their

Speaker 7 fucking demons fuck them up. Yeah, self-sabotage.
They're not going to be able to do it. Not good at the business.
Right. Not good at the business.
Right. Because what I've...

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Speaker 7 What I experienced, the hardest thing I experienced when I was coming up was watching people that were good at the business and I wasn't and watching them pass me, whatever that even means.

Speaker 7 But when you're young, you think this person is passing me.

Speaker 7 Totally. They're on Comedy Central.
I haven't got on Comedy Central. I must be doing something wrong.
Exactly. And, you know, I got to do, what are they doing? Oh, they have a fucking website.

Speaker 7 I got to get a website.

Speaker 7 And like, people think that shit. Like, I remember when

Speaker 7 Dane did all of that shit on fucking

Speaker 7 on, was it myspace back then all of these comics were like i'm gonna get on myspace and then i'm gonna sell tickets like that and they did it's like you're like that worked for him you're right you know so it's just like you you

Speaker 7 kind of after a while once you you reach a level of maturity like fuck this i'm doing what i'm doing and whatever this takes me this takes me and i have to be okay with that because there's some people out there that are just like you know like If you're in a band, you're never, if you're in a band that's like a band, right?

Speaker 7 And you're really writing what you want to write, you're never never going to sell more records than a fucking pop star, whatever, downloads, whatever it is. And you have to be all right with that.

Speaker 7 You have to be all right with that there's going to be these pop stars coming through that are just going to and they have and they have that megawatt

Speaker 7 like electrifying thing and all the girls love them and everything that was not me that was not that good that's not comedy that's music no that happens in comedy there's rarely

Speaker 7 eddie murphy

Speaker 7 russell brand

Speaker 7 Dane had it, Matt Reif has it. Those guys, they have that in factory where it's like

Speaker 7 this would be a conversation if my cigar goes out, buddy.

Speaker 7 Think of how many comics that is over 40 years. You know,

Speaker 7 it's not a common thing. Yeah, but that's like a special thing.

Speaker 7 Joe Coy.

Speaker 7 I worked with that guy one time, man. That fucking guy.
The level of talent that guy has to sing and do all of this stuff for the end.

Speaker 7 I was looking at this guy going, this guy is literally a pop star doing stand-up comedy. The women were going going fucking crazy.
I can make

Speaker 7 like people in the crowd laugh, but there's like a different thing with a guy like that where they are like enamored. Like, oh my God.
I didn't know that about it. Yeah, it's like a Beatlemania

Speaker 7 type of thing. You know, you something from your generation.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the Beatles. I remember.
Yeah, it's like the four tops. Right.
I remember being backstage at the Sullivan show when they went on. You went to Shea Sullivan.

Speaker 7 I had some good advice for them that night. Guys, sing the hits.

Speaker 7 People don't want to hear the b-sides and the moody stuff sing the hits and they changed their set list that night what is so amazing about them is they should have been over in two summers because they were essentially a boy band and they the most ridiculous thing you've said tonight she loves you yeah yeah was one of their first songs they made a few records after that you've got to be kidding bill i'm talking about going from that to the white album.

Speaker 7 The fact that they made that trajectory, that they had all of this management that were probably wanting them. Like, remember that guy saying the twist, and the next summer he was like, twist again?

Speaker 7 I mean, it was over.

Speaker 7 Like, you know, that they wanted to be that next summer saying, She loves you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
They were just,

Speaker 7 let's ride this thing to the ground. And they were like, fuck that.
We're going to keep developing as musicians. We're going to start our own label.
They did a lot of shit. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 I'm on the same page with you.

Speaker 7 I know young people shit on you. No.
You're Zeppelin. I know that happens a lot.
No, I that's in vogue for young young kids to say the Beatles stink. I can always talk Beatles and

Speaker 7 yes, they always

Speaker 7 one reason they are prima inter paris among rock gods is that they

Speaker 7 I've never heard all of those words. Is that three words? Was that two words? That's Latin for first among equals.

Speaker 7 Don't you save that for your parties when you're wearing your smoking jacket?

Speaker 7 I'll tell you that Bill Maher is really smart. He is really well-read.
He just said prima para vartis. Prima inter paris.
Inter paris. You know what? I'm not the bad guy because I know more.

Speaker 7 Okay, can we just get that? That's right. Don't make me

Speaker 7 think sad. I'm not the bad guy because I know things.

Speaker 7 I apologize. You should say, I'm sorry, I'm not stupid, Bill.
That's what you should have said.

Speaker 7 You're right. That's what you should have said.

Speaker 7 And that's why you sell stadiums.

Speaker 7 Because

Speaker 7 you could fucking pimp. You got it right on the head.
Okay.

Speaker 7 But the Beatles are first among equals, okay,

Speaker 7 because they always stayed ahead of the audience. Albert Goldman, in his brilliant book, I Thought, made the point that

Speaker 7 1966, it's only two years after Beatlemania, the first song on Revolver is Tax Man. He said, what could be less interesting to a teenager than taxes?

Speaker 7 So. But it's also relatable.

Speaker 7 Not to a teenager. They don't care about taxes.
I did.

Speaker 7 As a teenager? Yeah, as a teenager.

Speaker 7 Because I fucking,

Speaker 7 there was like a fucking glass ceiling on the amount of money I could take home. Like I couldn't, like, I was working full fucking time in this warehouse.
I could not make 300 bucks a week.

Speaker 7 I just couldn't.

Speaker 7 And I'm with the overtime, I would get it. They would just punch me back down to 240, 235.
And I remember one year, like a fucking idiot, I didn't get any taxes taken out of my check.

Speaker 7 And then, and I was drinking the whole fucking win. And then it came and I owed thousands and thousands of dollars.

Speaker 7 That was one of the dumbest things I did as a kid. When I was 17.
When I was 17, which is a very good year. No.
I was the delivery boy for the only industry in town, the liquor and drugstore.

Speaker 7 I would do both.

Speaker 7 That's a great job.

Speaker 7 I thought it was so cool. Yeah, you know what I like? Cause you didn't have to be at work.
You that time when you were in the, in your car,

Speaker 7 it's the greatest. And I was delivering drugs and liquor.
Fantastic. Wet my appetite for my future.
Right.

Speaker 7 I remember I had a gig, I had a gig one summer washing windows and houses. Outside how, you know, those fucking, I remember those stupid storm windows that they have back east.

Speaker 7 Like your fingers, by the end of the day, you had to switch fingers from just opening.

Speaker 7 And they had, for some fucking reason, everybody had a screen and they had like three of these fucking solid ones. And they wanted you to to wash all of them.

Speaker 7 And my favorite part of that job was in between when we were driving. My buddy had this fucking sick ass, he had this

Speaker 7 F-150. I bet he was funny about it.
Oh, he was fucking hilarious. Okay.
He was fucking hilarious. Oh, my God.
About the truck?

Speaker 7 Even? Like that dude? Listen, I get it. You're not a knockaround guy.

Speaker 7 You fucking, you looked up Latin words and you didn't fucking hang out with the fellas and they used to hang you by your underwear at the lockers.

Speaker 7 So now none of them are funny because this is your one thing. But I'm funny.
They could never be as funny as me.

Speaker 7 Like, there's so much shit about you that's funny that you're not even trying to be funny. Your whole fucking outfit is hilarious.

Speaker 7 I don't know what it is. Yeah.
Shirt and pants as an outfit? You dress like that. You're going to sing that fuck.
What is that song?

Speaker 7 Splish, splash. I was taking a bath with your stupid little slippers that you're wearing.
Slippers? These are like boots. These are

Speaker 7 almost Beetle boots. Oh, fuck.
You're an outlaw.

Speaker 7 These are almost Beetle boots they're chelsea boots i know they're never got away from the fashion because they were the greatest what were beetle boots those were badass well that's what it was it was like the half boot that's what they sang

Speaker 7 yeah yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 7 so what you know what i like about their music and when you is is it's like two and a half minute song and what they could say about a relationship that's still relatable like i used to listen when i really started going into their their back catalog, right?

Speaker 7 Not back catalog, they're later in their career, rubber soul and all of that shit. Revolving.
It was not later. That was mid.
All right. Relax, you fucking historian.
Good.

Speaker 7 Throw another Latin word at me. Anyway,

Speaker 7 I started like listening to the lyrics and I would be like, I literally just went through that with whoever I was dating. Which song are we referring to? I don't fucking have them memorized.

Speaker 7 I'm looking through you. Oh, that's called you.

Speaker 7 And that fucking song is like about the end of a relationship and you experiencing that as a young person. You don't look different, but things have changed.

Speaker 7 Like the love died, it's fucking over, and now you have to learn how to break up with somebody. Can I

Speaker 7 share something about the Beatles with you without you making fun of me? Maybe you'll find it. No, that's why I'm here.
Okay.

Speaker 7 So to listen to you share your ideas about track three.

Speaker 7 I just, even when I ask, it gets shot down.

Speaker 7 Okay, but I'm going to do it anyway. That's from their mid-period.
That's 1965, Rubber Soul. You were what, 28? That was like the first album.

Speaker 7 That was the first album. You bought your first Beatle Mania.

Speaker 7 I was nine.

Speaker 7 First album after Beatle Mania.

Speaker 7 So it's great. And

Speaker 7 that's... Do you ever think that you're older than the Hula hoop? That period, I remember the Hula Hoop, that's true.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 that period,

Speaker 7 he was Paul McCartney was with

Speaker 7 his girlfriend was Jane Asher.

Speaker 7 And he lived in her parents' apartment in the garret for like three years in the middle of London. I'm not making this up.
It's the garret.

Speaker 7 The garret is like an attic, like, you know, the top of the apartment.

Speaker 7 We're in California. You could just say attic.

Speaker 7 And then after that,

Speaker 7 did they move to the garage and have put some basil on their fry up? Knowing things and words, asshole.

Speaker 7 That's an asshole thing to do. To use the English word for fucking addict in California.

Speaker 7 Okay, but I'm about, I'm like, I'm one more reference away from taking this mic off and just walking out.

Speaker 7 I want to make a list of all the things I didn't know, and I'm just going to fucking say them all to my wife tonight. She'd be like, who the fuck did you have? Are you on mushrooms?

Speaker 7 What are you talking about? Oh.

Speaker 7 The Garrett.

Speaker 7 We have to do it. Garrett.
G-A-R-R-R-O-T-T. Brad Garrett.

Speaker 7 Garrett, like Garrett. Yes, with an O.
So when he goes over there, they think his name's Brad Attic.

Speaker 7 No. So anyway, Paul McCartney, he was with this.

Speaker 7 Bill Bullocks.

Speaker 7 A number of the songs in that period, like that one, are really about her. And some of them are quite wistful.
you know

Speaker 7 I think that at the beginning it's I've just seen a face

Speaker 7 but it gets to

Speaker 7 it

Speaker 7 it gets to some

Speaker 7 like you could just tell that it was a relationship that was like

Speaker 7 I mean he was it was the middle of you know he's a Beatle in London

Speaker 7 I don't know how he but he liked you know he was a guy who needed a family he liked having a family so he lived with the girlfriend's family in the fucking attic.

Speaker 7 He's a relationship guy. He's a relationship guy.
Yes.

Speaker 7 100%. I'm no, I'm not mocking it.
I'm just

Speaker 7 saying you were.

Speaker 7 Getting really defensive.

Speaker 7 No, I'm just, it's back to my point. People are different.

Speaker 7 So different about that. Yes.
And that's why I have no problem with how you live your life.

Speaker 7 You are a happy guy. I am a happy guy.
And you're a happy guy. I am.
See, that's the thing. We found what makes us happy.
Yeah. And then you get into your ego.
And not saying you, you,

Speaker 7 not metaphorically, hypothetically, generally, whatever the fuck you said,

Speaker 7 inherently,

Speaker 7 is you start thinking like, oh, this is the way you're happy is what made me happy. You know, so you have to do it the way that I'm fucking doing that.
Then, you know, and that's like, I don't.

Speaker 7 Right?

Speaker 7 I can do whatever the fuck i want

Speaker 7 can i yeah did i lose you in that

Speaker 7 yeah because i feel like now you're reading my lines that's my line

Speaker 7 i can do whatever the fuck i want when you're a joke thief eventually you run into the comic you took it from

Speaker 7 well you are not a joke thief

Speaker 7 uh no i mean i don't know if it when you came up being of such a different generation oh it was totally different it was the same way but when i came up as a comic i mean it was like the cardinal sin Oh, it's still the cardinal sin.

Speaker 7 It is.

Speaker 7 It's still the cardinal sin. I would think it would have to be.
Because that's back in the day, it's all we have

Speaker 7 is our own

Speaker 7 take on shit. Right.
And in

Speaker 7 Boston, before cell phone cameras and all of that stuff, if you took somebody's joke, that person came in and fucking punched you out.

Speaker 7 There's a famous story about Tim Thomerson, who I never worked with. He was even older than me, if that's imaginable.
It's incredible. So he was in World War II.

Speaker 7 World War II. Yes.
They used to call him the major.

Speaker 7 No, this is like late 70s when

Speaker 7 he did Omaha Beach the day after D-Day.

Speaker 7 He worked with Frank Donald.

Speaker 7 It was a rough crowd.

Speaker 7 He worked with Frank Capra.

Speaker 7 I know who he is. He's fucking amazing.
I'm joking. Yes.
Tim Thomerson, he's one of the legends down at the comedy store.

Speaker 7 The story was that when Robin Williams, rest his soul, a great guy, but he might have had a tendency once in a while because he was on Morkin Mindy to hear something at the comedy store, and perhaps it involuntarily got into the back of his head, and then it would appear on Morkin Mindy.

Speaker 7 And the story was that Tim Thomerson just walked into the comedy store one night and punched him in the face.

Speaker 7 Well, I mean, that's if you do shit like, I mean, and who said he was wrong?

Speaker 7 I'm just saying. yeah that that's how that's how that was handled it was it was like hockey it was settled on the ice

Speaker 7 yeah

Speaker 7 but

Speaker 7 boston comics just seem more truculent and pugilistic than most to me

Speaker 7 i knew what that meant i would agree or disagree with that

Speaker 7 i normally would not have used those words did you ever play next comedy stop i bet you had some rough sets in that one

Speaker 7 i'd had a rough night in boston once where

Speaker 7 I was the headliner.

Speaker 7 I could see you not having a good time in Boston. I can see them going.
That was a long time ago.

Speaker 7 Dude, you have, this is a hacky reference, but you totally have the energy of you forgot to give out the homework assignment, Mrs.

Speaker 7 So-and-so. Boston, you may have heard, is a college town.
There's quite a few intellectuals there. The audience that's very sophisticated, they like my show.
Okay, we all have our niche.

Speaker 7 Oh, God, you're so fucking highbrow. Well, it's because your shit jokes float above ours? A little bit.
Why? Because you say setment tank or something?

Speaker 7 Something about shit. Wait, what was I just going to tell you? God damn it.
Nothing interesting. No, it was.
What were we talking about?

Speaker 7 I'm fucking with you. Tempting.
No, we were talking about

Speaker 7 going to Boston. Boston.
Thank you. Yes.
I love Boston. It loves me.
That's been going. I did a special

Speaker 7 special there

Speaker 7 in 2007.

Speaker 7 I have a love affair with the Boston audience. We are like this because they're just very smart.
What can I tell you? I know you hate to hear that. But

Speaker 7 it sounds like you have a gig coming up in Boston and the tickets are a little slow. No, they're never slow in Boston.
Never slow in Boston. But

Speaker 7 do you perform in Cambridge? Cambridge. That's where Harvard is.
For a guy like you.

Speaker 7 That's got to be the Taj Maha. I love that that's a lot of people.

Speaker 7 Are you kidding? Have you heard what's going on on college campuses these days? I don't watch the news. You don't realize that college campuses erupted with the kids demonstrating for Hamas.

Speaker 7 They are in with the terrorists. They were for the Palestinians.
Well, it's sort of the same cause.

Speaker 7 Why? Are you?

Speaker 7 I'm on the side of the kids. Yeah, that's easy to say.
You know, no one wants to see kids dead.

Speaker 7 This is a war. It's very brave of you to say that.

Speaker 7 This is a war. No, I'm the one who's actually brave on this.

Speaker 7 It's

Speaker 7 not easy to say, I'm for the kids. Who's not for the kids?

Speaker 7 It comes down to real hard-nosed decisions. Like a country.
Stop talking like you're a general. A country got attacked.
Israel got attacked. I'm not saying that they didn't have a right to go back.

Speaker 7 I'm just sitting there going like, how do I look at what? We're the only country in the world that they get attacked.

Speaker 7 And then as soon as they counterattack, it's like, well, we got to stop this shit now. Don't attack them.
There's a very simple solution to all this problem in the Middle East. Stop attacking Israel.

Speaker 7 Stop attacking Israel. I did solve it.
I actually did. There you go.
That's fantastic. Anyway.
All right. We don't need to get it.

Speaker 7 Let's go to Russia and the Ukraine. How do you solve that one, Bill?

Speaker 7 Let me hear your hard-nosed decision about that. Well, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 7 How is war still legal? With all this shit that's been canceled. It's legal.
Why is that still fucking legal? Would you like a real answer to that? Because to...

Speaker 7 For something to be illegal, you have to have the capacity to enforce it. And you can't enforce against war or else you have to go to war with the country that's going to war.

Speaker 7 And we don't want to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. What would be the sense of making it illegal? Oh, that's really going to stop Putin.
No.

Speaker 7 To stop people from going to war, you have to also put Putin... You can't sit down and talk it out.

Speaker 7 Why can't Putin do a podcast with the head guy?

Speaker 7 Like, you just solve the Middle East on a podcast. Why can't they solve what they're doing on a podcast?

Speaker 7 This is why this is not your thing.

Speaker 7 Make some hard noise decisions. Just my thing.
It's not your thing. It's what you're doing.
It isn't your thing.

Speaker 7 It isn't. You're like that guy that has a fantasy football team and thinks he's a fucking GM.
No.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 7 That's exactly what it is. Like, why am I fucking listening to you like you've done something?

Speaker 7 What have you done in Washington? Nothing. No, I would never go to Washington.
It's beneath you.

Speaker 7 No, it would.

Speaker 7 You would be the coolest fucking guy in Washington. You showed up with those boots.
It would be so easy. With no tie, they'd be like, oh, oh my God.
It'd be so easy to be.

Speaker 7 Kevin Bacon just come back to that Footloose Town? Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 7 You could teach him how to dance, Bill.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I absolutely could. Bound a bound to bake a bound of bound.
You fucking get off your little private jet. I have a TV show.

Speaker 7 Oh, and you go and you travel Southwest. Is that right, Bill? I love Southwest.
Really? I love the order. Is that how you travel? I love Southwest.
Do you travel commercial? Most of the time, yeah.

Speaker 7 You do? Yeah. Commercial.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Interesting. Bigger plane, better pilots.
You don't get knocked around as much. You ride in a fucking Cadillac.
The only thing that sucks about commercial is boarding. That's it.

Speaker 7 Once you're there and you got your fucking shit up there, you're flying first class, which all first class is, if you've never flown it, is they treat you like a human being.

Speaker 7 Exposed to the animals in the back. They just throw you back there.
That was my whole career.

Speaker 7 Working my way up to being treated like, remember the DC-9 when you'd sit there and your window didn't open because there was an engine there

Speaker 7 you don't remember that i can't how about that last row in the dc9 the window doesn't open there's an engine right there and then right across from you is the bathroom and you got to listen to another human being take take a fucking shit behind one of those things starlets used to get undressed behind

Speaker 7 i'm still stuck on you defending commercial stuck on you still stuck on you defending commercial flights as better

Speaker 7 now you can make the case that it's wrong to fly private.

Speaker 7 I get that.

Speaker 7 But I've never heard anyone make the case that it's actually better to be on Delta. That's kind of cokey.
No? No, I hate Delta.

Speaker 7 Delta's the fucking worst. I bet you you fly private more than you're letting on.

Speaker 7 Listen, listen.

Speaker 7 If I have to go somewhere and I don't have enough time to get there. Oh, suddenly we've got an exception.
No, I said mainly I fly commercial.

Speaker 7 Well, you're an idiot. You shouldn't.

Speaker 7 You know what?

Speaker 7 What is this? If I don't agree with you, I'm an idiot.

Speaker 7 You're right. I apologize.

Speaker 7 Fucking John Varvedo's shirt. You're not young.

Speaker 7 Put on a sweater, for fuck's sakes. Put on a sweater.
Why? I have to be. At your age.

Speaker 7 That's the secret in life. Avoid that.
No. Don't you think? No.

Speaker 7 No? Well, hey, I'm an idiot, right? No, I think the number one thing is to be your age. Like all these fucking people, like they, they go do a college gig at my age, gonna be 56 next month.
Be 56

Speaker 7 and come at them as a 56-year-old and you can give them advice on all the shit that you did and just say, hey, this worked for me. And you can just have a great time with them.

Speaker 7 You can have a fucking great time. What fucks you up is if you're looking at what they're wearing and, you know, you fucking come up with your little, your little outfit.

Speaker 7 i i don't know why and that this out this simple shirt and pair of plain buttons

Speaker 7 there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you're wearing that's why it's so much fun

Speaker 7 to just make fun of it it's a little bit of a fucking pirate shirt you got a lot of extra material in the you know that's what it is it's this what the well first of all you should have buttoned that if you actually were the gentleman you're trying to be button this oh you're right but you got a woman in your life she wouldn't let you go on camera like that.

Speaker 7 It's almost like we're giving you like an advanced comedy test. Like, can you make fun of this?

Speaker 7 We're just

Speaker 7 not getting crazy like you're a fashion. It's kind of bland.

Speaker 7 You know, like your opinions. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, and then when I fucking, you know, go. However, too, it is.
And I go, ooh, a big word. Another big G-word.
Look at you.

Speaker 7 You memorizing that part of the fucking dictionary? I don't have kids. I got all day long.
Fucking read the dictionary and use my fucking $3 words with a guy who unloads trucks.

Speaker 7 Oh.

Speaker 7 Why do I think there's why don't we do a, we got to do a buddy movie. This is like perfect.
This is Walter Matthews. I'm certainly not going to do a movie, but there is something about...

Speaker 7 You seem like an actor.

Speaker 7 There is something very, like,

Speaker 7 very mineable about this vein of comedy of the single guy, the married guy, the, you know,

Speaker 7 pompous professor.

Speaker 7 No, no, no, but I am. The blue-collar guy.
I mean, it does kind of write. And that was Breaking Bad.

Speaker 7 Breaking Bad is one of the great dark comedies of all time where you had this super smart teacher and he had like his biggest fuck-up as a student. And then they have to somehow work.

Speaker 7 It was the oncoming show. You know, fantastic.
I never watched that show and I know everybody loves it. I'm going to watch it now because that is interesting to me.

Speaker 7 I'll tell you what, was the coolest thing about that show?

Speaker 7 is, you know, you know, those, anytime you make a TV show or a movie, you always have these people that go no that never would have happened like that but that

Speaker 7 dude everything that they did right down to me laying me and in lavelle crawford laying on that pile of money they figured out how much money um mr white would have in what denominations and how high it would be to shoot those people down when we did the we did this train robbery scene um

Speaker 7 I got to be on that. It was so fucking robbing a train.
It was amazing. And

Speaker 7 they would, whatever chemical they had in one of them, they used to make meth. So they were taking it out.
My job was to stall the train. They take it out and then replace it with water.

Speaker 7 And they had their team figure out how long that would take. And they said, we literally had somebody that would be on the internet.

Speaker 7 That wouldn't happen like that. They said, actually, it would.
The volume of water is this, the volume of that. And they would just shut them the fuck down, like a comedian.

Speaker 7 just chopping the head off of the fucking loudmouth asshole in the front row. They did that while making one of the great, greatest shows of all time.
That is satisfying. Oh,

Speaker 7 like,

Speaker 7 I already loved them. Like, everybody liked the show.
It was one of the most efficiently run. They just knew what they wanted to do.
I did it. I did one of the first times I did the gig there.

Speaker 7 We got through the scene so fast, they switched my flight from the next day, Southwest. They go, we can get you right now.
We can go get your bags at the thing. And

Speaker 7 I felt like fucking Elvis. Do you have like a deal now to make more movies somewhere?

Speaker 7 No. No.

Speaker 7 It doesn't exist anymore. What? It doesn't exist.
No, more things. They don't do those more things.

Speaker 7 They're getting away from first-look deals. I'm always late to the party.
Like, when I started stand-up, it was right after the 80s.

Speaker 7 All the balloons were popped on the ground and everybody was getting their wages garnished. Oh, yes.
Again, my generation ruined everything. I didn't say you ruined it.
I never said that.

Speaker 7 No, but in the 80s, that's when I was starting. I mean, that's when I was a young comic.
Right, but I didn't say you ruined it. No.
I'm just saying, no, but it got bloated. It was on every channel.

Speaker 7 And then it went.

Speaker 7 Right. So I used to open for guys.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And I used to open for guys.
They would try to discourage me. They would be like, oh, man, I didn't know why you even started.
If I was your age, I would get the fuck out of this business.

Speaker 7 That's what they told me. And they would be like, Wednesday night, look at this.
There's nobody in here.

Speaker 7 You know, fucking three years ago, there'd be a line down the fucking block. And I didn't have any.
deflector shields, you know, to so I would be listening,

Speaker 7 really? Oh my God. Should I quit?

Speaker 7 But I, but fortunately, I I sucked at everything else in life. So I really didn't have any options.
Yeah, I didn't have a plan B either, really. I remember when I got out of college, I sent out

Speaker 7 resumes to advertising agencies. I guess I thought I could get that as a day job, be an ad man, you know, write ad copy.
I could see that. I could see it too.
I mean, you know, yeah, you know.

Speaker 7 It's not that different from stand-up in a way you're trying to be humorous and pithy and okay

Speaker 7 you probably talk down to a few clients but you'd throw those you'd throw those words in and they'd be like this guy's smart this guy knows how to sell these widgets i'm telling you when we both flame out and doing a morning talk show in seattle this kind of stuff is going to be gold

Speaker 7 it's it's fart man and asshole jack yep

Speaker 7 oh that was morning radio morning radio was always a real name and then you know eddie and the bulldog

Speaker 7 It was always something like that.

Speaker 7 We got Wild Man Vermouth with fucking Jerry. It was always a regular name, then something crazy.
So there's no more three-picture deals, no more like deals at streaming services. I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 7 Don't they need fucking? Someone like me. Really?

Speaker 7 But Old Dads. When there is bald ginger in Hollywood, it's basically.

Speaker 7 But didn't Old Dads do very well? Yes, it did.

Speaker 7 Crushed. During the strike, it wasn't.

Speaker 7 Let me fucking for everyone who worked on that movie, Bobby Connavali and all of those amazing actors and everybody, I like him.

Speaker 7 Patrick Don Vito, everybody helped me edit the thing, Ben Tischler, all of them. We were number one globally on Netflix two weekends in a row, and it streamed like 50 million.

Speaker 7 Because who around the world doesn't understand the concept of old dads?

Speaker 7 Certainly in Pakistan. Well, maybe we just made a good movie.

Speaker 7 No, so, okay, so tell, relieve me this about the business. Was there a compliment in the thanks?

Speaker 7 What? There was no compliment in that.

Speaker 7 Actually, there was. There's no shit on it.
Like,

Speaker 7 you didn't think that it went fucking global. No.
I didn't say in Pakistan they were watching. They might have.
You don't think there's some old dads there? No. What I said, it was

Speaker 7 a shit. No.
I found a way to craftily get a very good compliment into you. Well, that's what it is.
Without making it look like one.

Speaker 7 Because I am the pompous professor, my friend. I like it.
I know you do.

Speaker 7 So anyway, but riddle me this about the business, because I'm always reading, as we're always talking of people at dinner when we're in this town and we're all in the business, and we're talking about the changing and the streaming and everything.

Speaker 7 Why is it if a movie does well like that, then there isn't at least an offer to do the next one?

Speaker 7 Because the people running it now.

Speaker 7 They're kind of doing like what Germany did, where they tried to take over the whole world. And you can't do that because there's just so many, people don't want that.

Speaker 7 But there's always something in every business, like Amazon or fucking Walmart.

Speaker 7 They're always trying, you know, let's open up across from this mom and pop and put them out of business and we'll be the only show in town. Like, there's just always people doing that.

Speaker 7 It's had to do with.

Speaker 7 Or hiring a guy who just had a big hit movie to do another hit movie. If you want to take over the whole world.

Speaker 7 The framing service has devalued art, where back in the day you used to pay 10 bucks to go see a movie. Now 20 bucks, you get all

Speaker 7 the people. Ask me a question.
I'm trying to fucking answer it. We're talking about success.
The movie. Why don't you just tell me what it is rather than asking me? We can save some time.

Speaker 7 I'm asking because I don't understand. The movie had success.
It doesn't matter if it was art or not. It has success.
And I can tell you what happened to me. I fucking...

Speaker 7 went back and I pitched another movie to two junior executives and I waited six weeks to get an offer that it was just like it never happened.

Speaker 7 Still starting out like I like that movie never happened. And that's kind of like, that's how the acting world, that's why I think being an actor is so much harder than being a fucking comedian.

Speaker 7 Because if I come through town, the first time I headline your club, I draw okay,

Speaker 7 but you see I'm funny. We'll take another chance on this guy.
I come back. Even if the same 30 people show up, but you see I have a whole new act, they see it.
And you've proven you're funny.

Speaker 7 I don't have to reprove that I'm funny. No.
Again, where an actor, this fucking actor is with an Oscar. And there's people going, Yeah, I don't know.
Can they play that?

Speaker 7 It's like they won the highest fucking award. And I just, I have empathy for actors for the lack of control.
First of all, you do the performance.

Speaker 7 And if you're not in the edit, especially if it's a comedy and you get the wrong guy editing it, and they're going to leave you hanging out to drive.

Speaker 7 Like the actors really are like the quarterback of the team where it's like, if you win, you're fucking Joe Montana. If you lose, you're a bust.
And like a lot of times, and

Speaker 7 as you're making a movie, you have no idea how it's going to come together. No idea.
I've been on enough movies to know it is just always a mystery. There's so many things that can go on.

Speaker 7 Are they going to promote it? I mean,

Speaker 7 I did this.

Speaker 7 I did this really, really great movie,

Speaker 7 Frontrunner. And

Speaker 7 it came out the same weekend as Aquaman. And it was just, I saw one of the stars promote it for like two days.
Yeah, I never heard it.

Speaker 7 And then the next time I saw him, he was promoting his next project. And I said, oh my God,

Speaker 7 they're burying it. It's not going to get.
And it's just. What was it on?

Speaker 7 What was it? It was in the movie theaters. It was in the theater.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, most of it.

Speaker 7 You would have liked the movie. It was about Gary Hart.
I would have watched it. Gary Hart.
Gary Hart. And it was about the first politician

Speaker 7 where they went into his personal life. And there was this big debate.

Speaker 7 What did you play? I played one of the reporters for the Miami Herald. And the big thing was

Speaker 7 there was like

Speaker 7 a battle

Speaker 7 at the paper. They had this great scene where it's like, we can't run this because we'll be like a tabloid.
And then the big thing was Gary Hart said, hey, I'm an open book.

Speaker 7 You know, go ahead, look at everything.

Speaker 7 He said that. He did.
And that was their wiggle room yeah to get in that and then after that nothing was the same nothing was the same but but i always wondered what did gary hart think

Speaker 7 because he had to end his campaign um because of uh infidelities and then like within four years bill clinton comes in and he's like the teflon dawn none of it sticks to him

Speaker 7 and he still ends up getting elected and does two terms. Like, he must have been thinking like, oh, I could have done that.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I could have just went like, you know, I did not

Speaker 7 have sexual relationships. I love the look of determining.

Speaker 7 I did not.

Speaker 7 I always wondered if he stood in the mirror and got that bottom lip. He was something.

Speaker 7 I'm still so puzzled by this, though, that,

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 just in their interest, you'd think it would be in their interest if you did something that was successful for them to want to that's all i mean you could always count on that in show business art is just always that if you're lucky uh it coincides with their business interests but profit success

Speaker 7 people bought it that's what they care about That's why I don't understand about this. It's in their interest.

Speaker 7 So something is very fucked up in

Speaker 7 this media age we live in when success is not rewarded. And I've heard a lot of people say that about streaming, that success is not rewarded like directly, like it was back in the day.

Speaker 7 You bought a record, that went to number one. You know, people actually went to the store and bought it.
We knew which was most popular. Same thing with movies, the box office, like streamers.

Speaker 7 And now, like streamers, they're holding all the cards. It's like Stripes.
Remember Stripes, that great scene? John Candy, and he's looking, oh yeah, man, you lost again.

Speaker 7 He's looking at his cards and shit. Like,

Speaker 7 you know, they give you the numbers, and it's just like, how do I know that's true?

Speaker 7 Like, like, you, you have, like, for the awards season, they can go, this is a massive hit, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 7 And then when you come to be like, okay, it's a massive hit. Can I ask them, well, you know, the numbers weren't that good.
The numbers are whatever they need them to be.

Speaker 7 It's become like that. So, I mean,

Speaker 7 so I just roll with it. I mean, if that's, that's, I don't think it's going to stay like this.
Like, and it, it's like. But like, are you working on scripts, though, for other people?

Speaker 7 Yeah, we're, we're, we're, uh, me and Ben Tushel, we're writing another one. We got another great idea.
It's another thing. It's in the title.
You know what it's, that's what I liked about old dads.

Speaker 7 You knew what it was. Right.
And then within that, you could touch on a lot of bigger topics with just regular people. Like we were commenting on.

Speaker 7 you know, sort of like summing somebody up in one tweet. And you like the process of like writing a movie with somebody? I love writing.
I love writing dialogue.

Speaker 7 And one of my favorite things to do is every, like, I want every actor that shows up to be excited, like that we wrote them something that's going to be fun to say, because then they come to the set.

Speaker 7 Of course. They're fun.
That's how you get an actor to do it. Yeah.
And then for the crew, all you do once a week, you bring in a food truck,

Speaker 7 you know, and a coffee truck on another day. They're like, okay, this guy gives a fuck.
Like, the bar is so low. You don't feed your crew once a week? No.
No, no, no.

Speaker 7 There's a regular, there's a regular thing. but once a week, if you spring for a food truck, because that's coming out of your pocket, that's not them.
They're like, all right, this guy's a solid guy.

Speaker 7 So then if you have a long day, because shit isn't working, which is going to happen,

Speaker 7 they're not looking at you like, you know, how many times are going to eat this fucking lasagna? You know, lasagna is like the big,

Speaker 7 like, if you got to cook for 100 people,

Speaker 7 they come out in those aluminum trays. If a truck comes up every once in a while,

Speaker 7 you got to give somebody a ray of light, you know, as they're doing it.

Speaker 7 A great tip for the kids out there who are thinking about going into the business and treating crews bad or good.

Speaker 7 Once in a while, can I tell you how low the bar is? How low the bar is? Oh, you just did a food truck once a week will do it. Yeah.
Yeah. You know what? I feel like just saying good morning to people.

Speaker 7 They're like, you're like one of the nicest guys I ever worked for. It's just like, what the fuck happened to you?

Speaker 7 Who doesn't say good morning? There's people that don't say good morning. No, I mean, look,

Speaker 7 I would not

Speaker 7 have the, oh my God,

Speaker 7 to do a movie, first of all, you got to get up at like the crack of dawn. I mean, and it's like your, I remember in the 80s doing that, it's like all you do is the movie.
DC Cab, right? DC Cab. Yeah.

Speaker 7 My first big picture.

Speaker 7 You do

Speaker 7 the movie and sleep. That's your whole life.
There's almost nothing.

Speaker 7 But if you're the director, you do the movie and then you answer questions and then you go to sleep and you wake up and there's more questions. Yeah, well, I'm saying it's just the movie and sleep.

Speaker 7 There's no life there. So it was a great experience for me because I,

Speaker 7 you know, I already obviously respected people that directed and edited and everything, but I didn't understand the process of how tedious it is. And

Speaker 7 like,

Speaker 7 you know, my ADD and everything, like, I really had to, like, I had to figure out a way

Speaker 7 in the edit room to give your brain a break. So what we started doing was me, Ben, and Patrick Don Vito, who edited the movie,

Speaker 7 we would go for walks. We'd be like, you know, let's just take a walk around the block.

Speaker 7 Like we got to get out because we, you know, just in this fucking editing bay, this, you know, curtains are down and everything. And you're just fucking in this thing.
And just like, it became

Speaker 7 like really productive to not sit there all day working to actually get up and like and you'd be looking looking forward what do you think 11 o'clock we'll go for a walk okay great so then i can break my day down we would have lunch and then in the afternoon we would go for like another like walk just walking around trying different restaurants

Speaker 7 for you what do you think you do just mindfulness where you just did that make you uncomfortable that i that i that i did that you see you do that to me but what i do to you it's not it's suddenly it's out of bounds no i knew what you were doing i thought we were doing i thought we were doing that thing so i hit it back to you did that make you uncomfortable i took it off of me i put it on you.

Speaker 7 That's nothing new. No, I'm just saying.
I see you doing a kind of a, like we call it, meditation for meatheads.

Speaker 7 I am a meathead. I don't have a problem with that.
I am.

Speaker 7 One of my biggest things.

Speaker 7 One of my most, the best thing about me is I know I'm an idiot. You're not an idiot.
If you were an idiot,

Speaker 7 what?

Speaker 7 I mean, you know. It's just, it's just, it's not an idiot.
It's just a. You're calling me a fucking meathead, and then you say I'm not an idiot.

Speaker 7 You're all over the road here.

Speaker 7 It's a bit. But

Speaker 7 no, it's just that people perceive truth differently.

Speaker 7 Like if you've ever had a lover who is like in the arts, I know you hate that term, but like artistic people, they don't like perceive truth exactly literally.

Speaker 7 Now, sometimes that's better and sometimes it's worse, because sometimes the truth is just the truth. And they don't see it that way.
They see it sort of artistically.

Speaker 7 They see it through a very question. And I don't think they're stupider.
I just think they see life through a different prism. Can I ask you a question? We got it.
Last time.

Speaker 7 From the bottom of your heart, you said to another human being, you know what? I'm wrong. Oh, all the time.

Speaker 7 All the time. Really? My favorite words are: I'm wrong, or I don't know, because every time I say them, I learn something.
Absolutely. And I'm.

Speaker 7 I didn't, I didn't see that coming from you. I know, but we don't strip here and

Speaker 7 we don't know each other. And I dress like a clown, so why would we? I mean,

Speaker 7 this is one of the most showbiz. Ridiculous.
This is one of the most showbiz friendships I have in this business. Because the only time I've ever been to his podcast or your show.

Speaker 7 It's just the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Have you seen Casablanca lately? I would recommend it highly.
I love it. I did.
I actually

Speaker 7 took my wife to go see Casablanca, where they had the symphony. downtown.
I saw it also with a lady friend.

Speaker 7 And it's very meaningful. And

Speaker 7 they had a live orchestra playing the score as you watch the movie so cool where was this whatever that big symphony hall is that i never go to oh downtown the disney center yeah the one that looks all weird yeah the one from artsy frank guhry

Speaker 7 frank guerry he's an architect he's an architect i knew he's an architect

Speaker 7 Oh, that's a big thing in your world, knowing architects' names. I wasn't trying to break it.
That's an L. Ron Hubbard.
No, it's just I'm always. No, Frank Lloyd Wright.
I always say L. Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 7 Frank Lloyd, that's a Frank Lloyd Wright. You knew that one.
I like Frank Lloyd Wright. Right.
He and his brother invented the airplane. I like Art Deco.
Frank Lloyd Wright.

Speaker 7 He and his brother invented the airplane. I like Art Deco.

Speaker 7 Art Deco. First of all, I don't think you could change the oil in a car, so don't talk about fucking architecture like you.
If I planted, I wouldn't want to. Oh, let me adjust my glasses.

Speaker 7 Why would I want to? I don't want to. Why would I want to, Eliza? I'm Professor Henry Higgins.
That's another great story.

Speaker 7 It's a really satisfying movie. Have you seen My Fair Lady?

Speaker 7 Can I recommend something? Watch that with your wife. My Fair Lady.
You'll really enjoy it. Some white woman spinning around in a field? Yeah.
I don't think she was going to be too much.

Speaker 7 That's the sound of music, fool. Aren't those all the same movie?

Speaker 7 Isn't that all fast and nefarious for the musical level? Oh, My Fair Lady is based on Pygmalion.

Speaker 7 Oh, that's based on that.

Speaker 7 Can I tell you something, Bill? Most of the shit that you say is not smart. It's just sort of obscure.
It's not obscure to a certain percentage of people.

Speaker 7 People that are

Speaker 7 some giant egghead egghead. I'm just

Speaker 7 that smart. I know.
I'm not saying I am.

Speaker 7 Or it says something about all these things I say that you don't know what I'm talking about. So what?

Speaker 7 I know. There's subjects I could bring up.
That's just, you know, you're just into, you know, musicals.

Speaker 7 You're not going to make me feel dumb.

Speaker 7 Who's your favorite?

Speaker 7 You're so dumb, you sell stadiums.

Speaker 7 Let me ask you this. Who's your favorite? What's your favorite top musical?

Speaker 7 You know, I'm not a musical fan at all. My fair lady was playing in the house when I was a kid, along with some other ones, but that's the one I gravitated to.

Speaker 7 I still could play Professor Henry Higgins. I'm almost still not too old to do that.
I'm not going to do that, but it's one of the rare parts where I would be perfect for it. He's a pompous professor.

Speaker 7 There you go.

Speaker 7 And it's just delightful. The music is great.

Speaker 7 I'm sure you know many of the songs.

Speaker 7 I won't sing them all for you. Sing one for me.
I have often walked on this street before. Sing another one.
I don't know that one.

Speaker 7 I'm walking down it now.

Speaker 7 Doobie-doo.

Speaker 7 Good, clean, fun. What's that?

Speaker 7 What is that? That's scat singing from your generation. That's scat singing.

Speaker 7 That's one of the most annoying things ever. Scat singing.

Speaker 7 I forget it. You sound like a trumpet.
Stop it. Make your Zoot suit itch.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I wasn't. No, scat singing is something I have to

Speaker 7 walk away from. What music do you listen to?

Speaker 7 What music do you listen to, Bill Burr? I'll tell you the latest thing I downloaded, Willow Smith. Willow Smith? Just put out a fucking incredible album.

Speaker 7 and what i'm loving is as a drum the drums are incredible and and so much of it is in like an odd time

Speaker 7 um i was trying to play along to this one song that's it started in seven and it stops as a bar of eight and then you play in seven and then the chorus is in four and i literally had to write it out to try and just figure out like the first friggin half of it so i listened to that i still listen to zeppelin uh

Speaker 7 i've been listening to kenny rogers i like like old school country

Speaker 7 I liked,

Speaker 7 I like

Speaker 7 a lot of hip-hop right into

Speaker 7 right about Biggie dying and Jay-Z coming up. I liked all of that.
I liked storytellers. 90s.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like, yeah, and a lot of the 80s shit is really cool too. But like

Speaker 7 basically the 90s. And what I loved about Biggie was he was this, he was fucking hilarious and he was an incredible incredible storyteller and his stage presence was

Speaker 7 was unbelievable and the fact that he was only 24 he did all of that

Speaker 7 by 24 and

Speaker 7 you know I was I was really into that now

Speaker 7 you know you just age out of it because people are talking about stuff. I mean, not like I could relate to what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 Actually, Bill, I wish we could, but there's another rap war going on currently. Maybe you've heard about it it between Drake and Kendrick Lamar.
Yeah, and who better to discuss this

Speaker 7 and a 60-something and a 50-something-year-old white guy?

Speaker 7 What do you make of this rap war, this

Speaker 7 sort of renaissance of the 90s rap war? I think it's great. It's great.
Great. Well, it's great for.
Somebody got shot today.

Speaker 7 Oh, well, you know, you have to make your hard-nosed decisions.

Speaker 7 No, I think it's great.

Speaker 7 It's fun. I think it's fun.

Speaker 7 Why can't we all get along?

Speaker 7 That are all.

Speaker 7 Why can't we all get along? Because sociopaths want all of it. But why don't you Drake and Kendrick Lamar? I mean, why are mommy and daddy fighting?

Speaker 7 I don't know where you're going with this. Why are they? Why are they?

Speaker 7 I believe the kids call it beefing. I know.
It is beefing. I know.
I'm single. I'm into all those.
No cap.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't know anything about I don't know anything about that world.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't fucking know.
Has 60 minutes done you yet? No.

Speaker 7 See, it never stops. That whole thing about, you know, boy, am I not, somebody passed me, they got 60 minutes.
No, no, no.

Speaker 7 I like where I am in this business. Yeah.
I like that this, I just do what I do and whoever likes it likes it and whoever doesn't moves on to something else.

Speaker 7 I don't have like just 60 minutes, does you within the next two years? I'll take that bet. All right, well, I had a ball, I had a great time.

Speaker 7 I'm I hope so, because you're my favorite, smarmy person in this business, my favorite, whatever the fuck you need to do.

Speaker 7 All right, I want a dunk, I had a fine word.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 7 Oh, Oh, come on, bring it in. Oh, he goes for the side hug.
The side hug.

Speaker 7 Non-committal, even with his male friend. Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 This next one's for all you CarMax shoppers who just want to buy a car your way.

Speaker 2 Wanna check some cars out in person? Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 Wanna look some more from your house. Okay.

Speaker 2 Wanna pretend you know about engines? Nah, I'll just chat with CarMax online instead. Wanna get pre-qualified from your couch? Woo! Wanna get that car?

Speaker 2 Wanna drive? CarMax.

Speaker 1 What do you think makes the perfect snack?

Speaker 2 Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

Speaker 1 Could you be more specific?

Speaker 2 When it's convenient. Okay.
Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right now in the street at AM P.M., or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at AM PM.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing a pattern here.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, we're talking about what I crave.

Speaker 1 Which is anything from AM PM.

Speaker 2 What more could you want? Stop by AM P.M. where the snacks and drinks are perfectly cravable and convenient.
That's cravenience. AM PM, too much good stuff.