"Verurteilt wegen Homosexualität" mit Klaus Schirdewahn

1h 11m

In dieser Folge befinden wir uns in der Nachkriegszeit. Klaus Schirdewahn wird 1947 in eine streng christliche Familie geboren, zu einer Zeit, in der Homosexualität durch den §175 StGB kriminalisiert ist. In seiner Jugend merkt Klaus, dass er homosexuell ist, hält dies aber geheim, da dies in der Gesellschaft und insbesondere auch in seinem Elternhaus, als inakzeptabel gilt. Im Dezember 1964 wird Klaus wegen sexueller Handlungen mit einem anderen Mann verhaftet. Als Minderjähriger entgeht er zwar einer Haftstrafe, wird aber zur sog. Konversionstherapie verurteilt. Die Konversionstherapie wird vom Weltärztebund mittlerweile als Menschenrechtsverletzung eingestuft und ist in Deutschland seit 2019 überwiegend verboten. Über die Jahre geht an dem Versteckspiel sowohl eine langjährige Beziehung mit einem Mann, die er neben der Ehe mit einer Frau führte, als auch die Ehe selbst kaputt. Erst als Klaus seinen heutige Ehemann Achim kennenlernt, traut er sich mehr und mehr zu seiner Homosexualität zu stehen. Er trennt sich von seiner Frau. Mit Achim lebt Klaus seit 2010 in einer eingetragenen Lebenspartnerschaft, die 2017 durch die „Ehe für Alle“ in Deutschland rechtlich anerkannt wird. Klaus engagiert sich zunehmend öffentlich, hält Vorträge an Schulen und im Bundestag und leitet die Seniorengruppe „gay & grey“.

Klaus’ Geschichte führt uns durch viele Entwicklungen rund um die LGBTQ*-Community. Diese Folge soll zeigen, wie groß die Diskriminierung und Unterdrückung war, welche Lichtblicke einige politische Entscheidungen bedeuteten, aber auch, wie viel Aufklärungsarbeit auch heute noch zu leisten ist, in einer Gesellschaft, die sich wieder zunehmend von konservativen Ansichten angezogen fühlt.

Ein riesiges Dankeschön an Klaus Schirdewahn für dieses Interview!

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