The Hidden Power Moves in Today’s Media Wars | Ronnie Bo DSH#1248

Speaker 1 Of that, like I was really irritated,

Speaker 1 and it's like, bro, come on, man, what you doing? And then you went beyond, you know what I mean? I'm asking you nicely, bro. Come on, man.

Speaker 1 Did I beat his ass? You know what I mean? No, I never, um, I never had those issues. Like, God is my witness.
I've never been harmed in any way in prison. I never got beat up in prison.

Speaker 2 All right, guys. Ronnie Bo here today from Milwaukee flew in today.
Thanks for joining us today, man.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. It's an honor, Sean.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you've been in some drama lately, man. What happened with Sean Otwood? He took down all your interviews recently.

Speaker 1 Well, I actually like Sean, man.

Speaker 1 It was his staff that actually created the problem. And

Speaker 1 he didn't go about it the right way to resolve the issue. So, you know.

Speaker 1 So now it's an issue between me and Sean, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 So what did his staff do?

Speaker 1 Well, initially, when

Speaker 1 my first interview with Sean Atwood,

Speaker 1 I don't know if he considered dude his moderator, but this dude named Shane is the one that reached out to me.

Speaker 1 He came off as a decent person at first. He seemed very friendly.

Speaker 1 We was cordial at first, but when we first went live, for some reason,

Speaker 1 he asked the Sean Atwood audience to donate to me, right?

Speaker 1 I wasn't aware that they were going to do that. And when he asked the audience to donate to me, he told the audience to send the contributions to his PayPal.

Speaker 1 And it was live, so I didn't want to address the issue then. So I addressed the issue afterwards.

Speaker 1 And when I addressed the issue,

Speaker 1 another one of

Speaker 1 Sean Atwood's

Speaker 1 staff or whatever, this guy named Ron Swatson, right?

Speaker 1 We were all in a

Speaker 1 WhatsApp group together. Me,

Speaker 1 Sean, Ron, a few other people, Natanya Rubin.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Natanya Rubin. She's the one who Diddy shot in the face

Speaker 1 during the incident.

Speaker 1 I think it was 99

Speaker 1 with

Speaker 1 Sean

Speaker 1 when he did like 12 years with that. Yeah, so Diddy shot her in the face.
So she was in the group. I see her as a sister.
But we were all in a group.

Speaker 1 So when I confronted the issue and it was like, bro, why did you basically,

Speaker 1 why would you

Speaker 1 tell the audience to send the money to you? And the guy, Ron,

Speaker 1 he got rude about it. Like he jumped into it.
into the conversation. He got rude and he said some very disrespectful things.

Speaker 1 I don't know what type of person they thought I was, but I don't tolerate disrespect. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 As you can see, I'm a very respectful person,

Speaker 1 but I don't tolerate disrespect. So it got out of hand.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, from there,

Speaker 1 once it got out of hand, you know, I had to deal with the situation accordingly.

Speaker 1 And it just went too far, you know what I mean? So it became like a beef. So, you know,

Speaker 1 when you beef or war with a person, like the art of war teach you to know your opponent. That's a good book.
Yeah. You know, you got to know yourself and your opponent.
So I looked dude up and

Speaker 1 the dude, Ron Swanson, right? He got, it's like three documentaries out about him,

Speaker 1 similar to the documentaries that are out about R. Kelly.
You know what I mean? And the allegations about Ron Swanson were even worse than

Speaker 1 the things that that are alleged about R. Kelly.
So it's like, damn. It's like, Sean, these are the type of people who you got working for you.
You know, and then

Speaker 1 he knew that me and Jaguar Wright was cool. So he tried to have Jaguar Wright resolve the issue.
And they just went about it the wrong way. So

Speaker 1 in a disrespectful way. So,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you know, when I'm disrespected,

Speaker 1 I disrespect.

Speaker 1 And it got out of hand.

Speaker 2 Damn, that's crazy. The only way to resolve it sounds like a sit-down with him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'll try that, but

Speaker 1 he just went about it the wrong way. So at that point, you know, it's like

Speaker 1 it's conflict, it's beef, it's war, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it's not your first rodeo with that, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I ain't gonna say I like war. I like peace, but you know,

Speaker 1 it's fun for me. You know what I mean? I've been to war all my life

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Speaker 1 So it's fun and they actually like losing like terribly. Like if you look at Sean Atwood's views around the time that I was

Speaker 1 doing business with them,

Speaker 1 they were succeeding. But if you look at his views now, it's like he got about a million subscribers.
And the views, it's like terrible.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you could blame me for that, but it's war. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you pulled a lot of views on those interviews over 100K on each one, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, about

Speaker 1 that. And when I asked him, why are you taking all my interviews down, bro? He blamed it on Diddy.
Really? He blamed it on Diddy. He said,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 Diddy has a lawsuit against me, and

Speaker 1 I have to take down every interview that he's mentioning. So it's like, bro, bro come on man like

Speaker 1 i don't know if i just look that stupid i probably do but i'm not that stupid so it's like bro like my content wasn't about diddy my content was about jay-z and r kelly so

Speaker 1 you really gonna run with that

Speaker 1 and he he told jaguar right the same thing and it's like

Speaker 2 did he take down jaguars interviews a couple Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So maybe it was a lawsuit.

Speaker 1 But her, no, but hers was, she was speaking about Diddy. I didn't say much about Diddy, if anything.
I don't remember saying anything about Diddy. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, Jaguar went on Pierce Morgan and they had to take that one down.

Speaker 1 Did you see that? Yeah, but that was about Jay-Z. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 I understand, like, Jay-Z reached out to, well, he had his attorneys reach out to Pierce Morgan, just like he had his attorneys reach out to my probation officer.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You had to take down some stuff for him, right?

Speaker 1 Take down. I didn't take down this.
Oh, really? No, No, like the podcast, that's the thing. Like,

Speaker 1 I want to say this, Sean. Like,

Speaker 1 you seem like a straightforward person, honest person. Like, I have done many interviews, right?

Speaker 1 Some of those interviews never came out because I'm a truth speaker. And when you speak the truth,

Speaker 1 you know, sometimes that ruffle the wrong feathers. And then it's like, I can't put this out.
I mean, like, even me and you, like, this

Speaker 1 was supposed to happen months ago, right? Yeah. But,

Speaker 1 I mean, you fell back because you said, you told Matthew Cox or whatever that

Speaker 1 Jay-Z reached out to you and that you didn't want him to do with it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got a cease and desist. I've never got one before for the pod.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that was a cease and desist against me, not you. But I understood, like, people don't want nothing to do with that.

Speaker 1 You run a legitimate business, a successful bitch, and you're not willing to jeopardize that for Ronnie Bo. You don't know Ronnie Bo.
I understood that.

Speaker 1 Like my situation with other podcasters is a little bit deeper. Like they want to control narratives.
You know what I mean? Like, if you want the truth, let me give you the truth.

Speaker 1 And I can only give you my truth. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 for example, when I was incarcerated with R. Kelly, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 A female who I was dealing with at the time, she posted something on her social media saying that Ronnie Bo was locked up with R. Kelly and it went viral.
And somehow TMZ

Speaker 1 got the news. To be exact,

Speaker 1 this

Speaker 1 news reporter that worked for TMZ named Jacob Wiserman reached out to her and said, could

Speaker 1 you get us in contact with Ronnie Bo?

Speaker 1 So She made the connection. And when I talked to Jacob Wiserman,

Speaker 1 I gave my truth. And he wanted to, he didn't want the truth.
He wanted me to say bad things about R. Kelly.
I mean,

Speaker 1 a lot of people could say bad things about R. Kelly.

Speaker 1 I didn't have anything bad to say about him. And it was like, he was basically saying, well,

Speaker 1 we could do the interview and get you on TMZ.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 like the audience want to hear more so that

Speaker 1 R. Kelly is getting

Speaker 1 beat up or or he getting great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, TMZ type of stuff.

Speaker 2 TMZ drives off that stuff. Yeah, they wanted to hear bad.

Speaker 1 And I had nothing bad to say. So they didn't, they never put the interview out because I didn't have nothing bad to say about the man.
You know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 1 you got to understand, like,

Speaker 1 most of the time that I was locked up with R. Kelly was during a COVID

Speaker 1 coronavirus pandemic.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 at that time, like, you got to understand that

Speaker 1 we didn't know know what y'all was going through in the community. You know what I'm saying? So imagine what people was going through in prison.

Speaker 1 Like, if y'all thought the world was coming to an end, just imagine how we felt. You know what I mean? Like, it was days that they didn't feed us.
Yeah. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It was, I mean, it was bad in there, bro. So, like, R.
Kelly probably, when he was venting to me, he probably felt like

Speaker 1 this, these was his last words. Like, that's how we felt in there, all of us.
And, and that, that, uh, caused inmates to bond with each other. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 So despite what anybody else think about R. Kelly, like they don't know my experiences.
They don't, they, they don't know that I was a book author 12 years before I met R. Kelly.

Speaker 1 And I guess you can say I was a conspiracy theorist because I didn't really have proof behind my theories, but meeting R. Kelly and speak with him, it's like he confirmed a lot of my theories.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? So, I didn't care what the media, I didn't care about what people were saying in the surviving R. Kelly documentaries.
Like, I didn't care about none of that.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I wanted to hear his side of the story. I wanted to hear his perspective on things.
And that was it. And I even wanted to write a book on his side of the story.

Speaker 1 You know, everybody else heard everybody else's side of the story. I wanted to, I'm locked up with you, bro.
You know what I'm saying? I want to put your side of the story out.

Speaker 1 And that's what I took in, like

Speaker 1 what he felt like the real problem was and why

Speaker 1 these documentaries came out. You know what I mean? And, you know,

Speaker 1 I got a lot of insight from R. Kelly being locked up with him.

Speaker 2 The media portrayed him in a terrible manner. I wonder how much of that was true.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's another thing because like I'm

Speaker 1 like a protege of Malcolm X. Like I study everything about Malcolm X.
And Malcolm X said

Speaker 1 that the most dangerous and the most powerful weapon that the United States government has is the media.

Speaker 1 And he said it's because the media has the power to make the innocent look guilty and to make the guilty look innocent.

Speaker 1 So, you know, taking that into consideration, I didn't want to just write R. Kelly off as guilty.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, you're seeing that with Trump with Tate.
You know, the media is just attacking these guys.

Speaker 1 Not just just that, but I saw the

Speaker 1 Mike Tyson, Kobe Bryant, Tupac, Michael Jackson, all these influential black figures were accused of

Speaker 1 doing sexual crimes with people. You know what I mean? And it's just like, why? All of them?

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, it just didn't sit right with me. So

Speaker 1 I didn't really feed into what the media was saying, you know, about Kelly. I want to see, I want to hear his side of the story.

Speaker 2 You think there's any truth with these parties, like these elite parties?

Speaker 1 As far as who liked the Illuminati?

Speaker 2 Just like the Diddy stuff, like you hear these parties and these after parties.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're talking about, I thought you was talking about like the, but yeah, yeah, it's, of course.

Speaker 1 You know, you got to think, like, like, I had a time in my life,

Speaker 1 like before mainstream knew about Ronnie Bo, I was huge locally in my city. And

Speaker 1 when you get a certain type of power, you feel like you could just do anything. You know what I'm saying? You see how these females gravitate towards you.
You see how people gravitate towards you.

Speaker 1 You feel like you can hide your weight. And if you don't got no integrity, that may

Speaker 1 get the best of you. And like, I got integrity.
So I didn't let the power make me treat people

Speaker 1 like they were

Speaker 1 any less than me. But when people like Diddy, it don't seem like Diddy has any integrity.
So you got to think when you got all this power, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I just published a new book called Darkest Fantasy, Darkest Fantasies of the Richest Freaks, right?

Speaker 1 Now, when you got a lot of money and power, Like all type of stuff go to your mind like I could do this I could do that. You know what I mean? And

Speaker 1 if you don't got no integrity, you're going to do some of the most ignoble things because you just feel like you can do whatever you want to do and get away with it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel like you get desensitized to normal things when you have that much money and power, too.
You got to keep finding crazier and crazier things to do.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Yeah.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you see these guys and a lot of these rich guys start going to these freaky parties or whatever, right?

Speaker 2 It's wild.

Speaker 2 What's going on with Kanye, man? People think he's crazy, but you think he's actually crazy like that or you think he's just marketing?

Speaker 1 i think kanye is a genius and i i think the media is just afraid of people who

Speaker 1 become so influential like when when you become so influential that you could uh

Speaker 1 like impact the thoughts and actions of the population right and and you're not no you're not no politician or nothing like that and and they can't control you now if they can control you it's cool you know what i mean like okay he got this influence.

Speaker 1 We can control him. So he gonna

Speaker 1 stay aligned with this agenda. But people like Kanye West is like, you can't control people like Kanye West or people like me, like Ronnie Bo.
Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, we, we not, we all that, you know what I mean? So you gotta try to make people like that seem crazy so the population don't follow them.

Speaker 1 You gotta think like, okay,

Speaker 1 they named Jay-Z a billionaire, right?

Speaker 1 Kanye West,

Speaker 1 he was worth more billions than Jay-Z,

Speaker 1 but they couldn't control Kanye. So it's like,

Speaker 1 if Kanye is this successful and Jay-Z is

Speaker 1 this successful,

Speaker 1 we want people to follow Jay-Z, but Kanye is more successful. So they're going to gravitate towards him.
They don't want that, bro. You know what I mean? They want the person that they can control.

Speaker 1 So even Kanye was explaining, like, I've been a billionaire before Jay-Z, but they didn't want to name me no billionaire because they didn't want people looking up to me, they didn't want people to follow me.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's nuts. How many of these A-list celebrities do you think are controlled in some way?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 the majority,

Speaker 1 and those who ain't, they eventually get in line, you know. I mean,

Speaker 1 once you like, like, even with me like i'm not as big as uh kanye west or jay-z but i'm becoming

Speaker 1 very influential

Speaker 1 and uh they starting to see that i'm the type of person that can't be controlled you know i mean

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 i get death threats and uh it's been attempts damn like recently holy crap uh

Speaker 1 my my good my good friend is actually in the studio with us, and

Speaker 1 people would think I'm exaggerating, but she's aware because when the incident happened, I told her about the attempt. I mean, all my life.
And,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 people would think you lying or exaggerating, but this stuff really goes on, bro. Like, when you become influential, like

Speaker 1 and they can't control you,

Speaker 1 they either want to, it's either incarcerate or or assassinate damn that's scary dude yeah

Speaker 2 makes you really wonder like what people sacrifice to get where they're at right what's so like you see all these people that people idolize they look up to and you're like wow how did they get there

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 they had to conform in some way

Speaker 2 because being independent in the music industry it's really hard to make it right yeah

Speaker 2 I don't know many artists that have really blown up being independent.

Speaker 1 Not many. And I'm independent and I'm going to stay independent.
And

Speaker 1 see,

Speaker 1 like, like people like me, like, I really study people like Dr. King and Malcolm X.
And I look at their core message.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the day before Dr. King was assassinated, he had a message to the population, right?

Speaker 1 And he was telling people,

Speaker 1 we need to withdraw economically from the establishments that are funding these movements that are against us. For example, like

Speaker 1 people, people see these glasses right here, right? They automatically think they cartiers, right?

Speaker 1 Now, this is actually a Milwaukee brand

Speaker 1 called Diamantes, right? And the owners,

Speaker 1 you know, one of the owners that is Eric, he gave me these glasses, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he gave me these glasses because I've been wearing Cartiers all my life. I'm one of the pioneers of wearing Cartiers.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like a lot of the rappers these days, they brag about wearing Cartiers. But, you know, Cartier is a billion-dollar brand, but they don't contribute nothing to my community, my culture.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? However, Diamante created. a better brand, a better quality of,

Speaker 1 you know, eyewear, you know what I mean? And they willing to sponsor me. They willing to help me.
So why would I continue to wear Cartier,

Speaker 1 you know, just because they cute or whatever, you know, I look just as cute in Diamante's. And

Speaker 1 they actually a better brand and

Speaker 1 they willing to

Speaker 1 back my movement, you know what I mean? And Dr. King was saying like companies like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, all these other like billion billion other corporations.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of people in the in the hip-hop culture, the black culture, whatever you want to consider it, they wear Gucci, Louis Vuitton,

Speaker 1 and they brag about wearing these brands. You know what I mean? Yeah.
These brands don't don't contribute nothing to our community. You know what I mean? 100%.

Speaker 1 You know, and we have to.

Speaker 1 withdraw from that and either build our own brands or support the brands that support us. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, a lot of these designer brands are getting exposed right now on social media because they make the bags for like 20 bucks and they sell the Gucci bag or whatever for thousands. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Their margins are insane. They're ripping people off.
I mean, it's great marketing. You got to give it map.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, if you look at most of my interviews,

Speaker 1 this right here, this is my brand. You know what I mean? Because, and I do this because I understand branding like i could get on here and wear gucci or louis vuitton but um

Speaker 1 why you know i mean like to impress who you know i mean like i'm trying to build something myself for

Speaker 1 you know i'm trying to establish generational wealth for myself my people my culture my community you know i mean and if i support Louis Vuitton, Gucci and all that, like, where's the money going?

Speaker 1 I'm spending all this money buying y'all brand to impress who? You know what I mean? And

Speaker 1 that money is not going back into our community. And people need to understand the significance of that, bro.

Speaker 2 Yeah. When I was younger, I used to think that I used to buy stuff, watches and stuff.
But as I've gotten older, it matters less to me. Material objects.

Speaker 1 I'd rather wear a digital social hour hoodie. You know what I mean? I love it, bro.
I appreciate that. I'm cool with you.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I'll be representing a brand that I'm associated with. You know what what I mean? Love it.

Speaker 2 Amazon took down one of your books, huh?

Speaker 1 What happened with that?

Speaker 1 Well, it's back up, but

Speaker 1 the book, uh, Challenging the Illuminati, is the one that you're referring to, right? Yeah,

Speaker 1 and uh,

Speaker 1 it's a lot of information in that book that they don't want the population, they don't want the public to know about. Like

Speaker 1 a lot of the

Speaker 1 hidden messages from people, again, like Malcolm X, Dr. King, people like that.

Speaker 1 People, people, again, they forget the core messages that these people were

Speaker 1 assassinated for.

Speaker 1 So I put a lot of the information in that book. And of course, they assassinated people for this information.

Speaker 1 So to see that Ronnie Bo coming from out of nowhere and

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 delineating this information in a way that people can understand, it's like this, this book is a threat. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And they took it down, but I pushed to get it back up. And last time I checked, which was yesterday, it's back on Amazon.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Did they give you a reason when they took it down, or just no reason at all?

Speaker 1 No, they didn't even respond. I just noticed that it was back up.
And see, the thing about the book,

Speaker 1 like, I don't write these books

Speaker 1 for money.

Speaker 1 And a prime example of that is

Speaker 1 like the interview I did with Matthew Cox. Again, shout out to Matthew Cox because he

Speaker 1 is the reason why I'm here with you today.

Speaker 2 Yeah, shout out to Matt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Crazy story. He's got a crazy story.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's my dude, man. I got a lot of love and respect for Matt.

Speaker 1 One of the interviews that I did with him went viral, right? And in that interview, I gave out my personal phone number, one of these,

Speaker 1 this number, to be exact. Matter of fact, this number ring too much.
It's on D ⁇ D, right? From that interview, it still get too many calls, too many takes. I can't keep up with.

Speaker 1 So for now, I'm going to give out this number. It's 414-587-1919.

Speaker 1 And those who call that number, I just published a new book and I'm going to give everybody that book for free if they share this interview, if they subscribe to Digital Social Hour, if they like it.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Any of that, any engagement, you know what I mean? Screenshot it to me, show me, you know, I'm going to give it to y'all for free. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And that's what I did on Matthew Cox's show. I just want people to have the knowledge, bro.
You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 if they contribute

Speaker 1 and give back. Thank you.
They keep me from going back to the streets. You know, I sold drugs all my life and I've been locked up all my life for selling drugs.
I do not want to go back to that.

Speaker 1 So if they buy the books, thank God, thank God that somebody, you know what I'm saying, buying my books and keeping me out the streets. But it's not about that.

Speaker 1 I want people to have the knowledge, you know what I mean? Because like money can go so far.

Speaker 1 But if I die today,

Speaker 1 and let's say I got $10 million put up.

Speaker 1 Like, I can't control what happened with that money. But with this knowledge that I'm putting out, it's going to to inspire people, it's going to enlighten people, and it's going to

Speaker 1 guide people to be able to do what I'm doing or what Malcolm H did, what Dr. King did, you know, Fred Hampton, people like that.

Speaker 2 Damn, that's powerful, man. That's cool.
Yeah, I know you told your kids you're not going to go back to the streets anymore. I saw another interview you did.

Speaker 1 No, I can't. And I promise her.
I love that. I promise my...
My mom.

Speaker 2 Was that after your last time in prison?

Speaker 1 I can't do that to them no more because, you know,

Speaker 1 when you take those risks, bro,

Speaker 1 you know, sometimes you feel like it's necessary and you got to, but when the consequences catch up with you, it's not about you. You're not just hurting yourself.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 You leaving, if you got kids, you leaving your kids out there without a father. You know what I'm saying? And that puts them in the position to go through the same thing you went through.

Speaker 1 And I'm trying to end that cycle. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Damn. How long were you with R.
Kelly in prison?

Speaker 1 Well, I went to MCC Chicago. I turned myself in June 23rd,

Speaker 1 2019.

Speaker 1 He ended up getting indicted like July or August. It was a month or two later, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We both got indicted in the northern district, Illinois, which is Chicago. So, you know, when you get indicted, you catch a Fed case out there, you know, everybody goes to MCC Chicago.

Speaker 1 You know, the people who go anywhere else is the people who get ran out of there or, you know,

Speaker 1 stuff like that. But for the most part, you go to MCC Chicago.
So that's just where we both ended up at.

Speaker 2 He got a lot of time, right? I don't know the exact years he got there.

Speaker 1 I think he got 30

Speaker 1 in the New York indictment and he got like another 30 in the Chicago. Chicago.

Speaker 1 Holy crap.

Speaker 2 And they stacked those?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Jeez.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately. But

Speaker 1 I know people probably looking at me like, wow, is this dude saying unfortunately? Because R. Kelly posed to deserve that.
But I don't know if he deserved it. I don't know if he did that.

Speaker 1 Maybe dude is a creep, but that's not the R. Kelly I met.
So I can't speak from that point of view.

Speaker 2 I mean, you spent a lot of time with him. So people that are talking online didn't meet him face to face and spend years with him, right?

Speaker 1 No, no. And then,

Speaker 1 like, I'm a good

Speaker 1 judge of character. You know what I mean? Like, you could,

Speaker 1 like, God just gave me this gift. Like, I could see a person, know him for five minutes, and just know this

Speaker 1 person is full of crap, or this person seemed like a real person, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 R. Kelly actually seemed like a real person, bro.
And

Speaker 1 looking at his past, like

Speaker 1 he didn't, he didn't have the best upbringing. So even if he is a terrible person, like,

Speaker 1 I mean, I can't justify that by his upbringing, but

Speaker 1 everybody don't get through that type of mud and come out with no stains on them. Right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 uh.

Speaker 1 I think he all right, dude. You know what I mean? And I think

Speaker 1 just like, like, I look at recently, bro. Uh,

Speaker 1 are you familiar with what just happened? Or do you know Angie Stone?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Okay. She just died, right?

Speaker 1 And before she died, she was speaking out about how Universal Records, the music industry, owes her a lot of money.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you look at Prince, Michael Jackson,

Speaker 1 all the Whitney Houston, all these people

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 created a catalog that's worth billions. You know what I mean? And they barely getting by.

Speaker 1 Eventually, you know, you look at your circumstances and you can't take care of your loved ones. And it's like, wow, I'm supposed to be worth billions.
Like, where's all my money?

Speaker 1 And then you get to the point you want to stand up and try to fight for your money. And it's like, why when they stand up? Why when R.
Kelly wanted his money? Why was he indicted?

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Why when Angie Stone tried to

Speaker 1 fight for her money, she died? Why when Whitney Houston wanted her money, she died? Why when Prince started talking about this stuff, you know, he died. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 eventually, people got to start reading between all those lines and see that it's

Speaker 1 something going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 That's a lot of coincidences you just named.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the coincidences

Speaker 1 eventually add up to a conspiracy, you know what I mean? Right.

Speaker 2 And yeah, and a lot of those are coming out to be true these days. Conspiracies used to be crazy for even saying that word 10, 15 years ago.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but now,

Speaker 2 I mean, follow the money, right? Money don't lie. You follow the money trail, you find out what's going on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You got to think, bro, R.
Kelly Catalog was worth 1.2 billion.

Speaker 2 Damn, not much. And he,

Speaker 1 a person that big, you know, he performed at the Olympics. He, he wrote for Michael Jackson.
He has some of the biggest hits, I believe. I can fly.
And, you know, we can name many others. Like,

Speaker 1 this dude

Speaker 1 basically had to go on tour just to take care of himself and his people. Damn.
You know what I mean? When he should have been sitting on $1.2 billion.

Speaker 1 And when he realized that he was worth that

Speaker 1 and tried to petition to get his worth, you know now

Speaker 1 all these allegations like if he's been doing all this like you know maybe he did but why y'all didn't put all that out 20 years ago when y'all said it happened you know what i mean yeah why y'all wait till he start petitioning for his money to

Speaker 1 start saying he did all these terrible things you know she must have signed a bad deal huh record deal yeah he did And R. Kelly,

Speaker 1 not to talk down on him, but he not the wisest guy, you know, and these music contracts, even if you are the wisest guy, you know, the, the terminology is very, very confusing.

Speaker 1 So you read this stuff, you think it mean one thing and it mean the other. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 it's, it's credit. And I know because,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 I was a part of the industry, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, and I'm a businessman and I study all aspects and I had to realize that, like, it was a book I read when I was incarcerated called Secrets to Negotiating a Music Contract.

Speaker 1 And it explained, like, how,

Speaker 1 like, for example, TLC, I don't know if you're familiar with them, but heard of them. They like damn near went diamond.
And

Speaker 1 it was a group of three. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 they paid them $12,000, like

Speaker 1 total, which they split with, which was like, what, $4,000 a piece?

Speaker 1 And they were supposed to probably get maybe $4 million apiece. Holy crap.
No, I mean, but the contracts say this and that. And you think it mean you're going to get your worth.
And it mean that

Speaker 1 you are forever in debt to us. And you are our slave for the rest of your life when you

Speaker 1 look up, you know, the terminology of those contracts. Man.

Speaker 2 So signing to a label is not the best move these days, hon.

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 things are changing. No, people are starting to realize that it's best to be independent, but some people don't

Speaker 1 have a business mind. And they want,

Speaker 1 like, for example, if a label tell you, we're going to give you a million dollars. That sounds big.
If I tell my mama right now, I just signed a million dollar deal. She's going to be happy.

Speaker 1 Like, wow, you got a million dollars. But the million dollars is actually a loan, right?

Speaker 1 It's it's it's it's a loan. And then, how they how they work the million dollars is like, okay, we gave you this million dollar loan.

Speaker 1 It seemed like a deal, like this is advanced, like this go in your pocket. But this million dollars is a budget and they control the budget.
So they could

Speaker 1 they could shoot a video for you, right? And they could pay $10,000 for the video until you

Speaker 1 we pay $100,000 for the video.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they already displays you out of $100,000 because that $100,000 takes away from your budget and they only pay $10,000.

Speaker 1 And then while you're on tour, like even if you go to McDonald's, this all come out your budget. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 at the end of the day, they

Speaker 1 basically say, okay, we spent this million dollars on you when they probably only spent $50,000. They inflate everything.
Yeah. And then you owe

Speaker 1 a million dollars for what only costs $50,000. Yeah.
Then you got to pay that million dollars back. And then, like, your income is like

Speaker 1 cents on a dollar. Like, for let's, let's say you, let's say for each record, you get $10, right?

Speaker 1 You might get nine cents out of that $10, right?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that nine cents,

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 ten dollars times a hundred thousand is a million, right?

Speaker 1 You got to look at that nine cent times a hundred thousand, which is probably only what ninety thousand or something like that. Yeah,

Speaker 2 my mouth ain't that or is it ninety thousand.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so even if you made the million dollars back, they telling you that that's only ninety thousand.

Speaker 1 And I know even even with me explaining this clearly, it sounds very confusing you know but but that's how it go yeah yeah they probably word everything in a certain way in the contract that makes it look nice and good yeah i don't see a lot of artists happy about their contracts these days no they don't know no better like uh it's a lot of people with a lot of talent and

Speaker 1 they just want to make it so

Speaker 1 when some of these big names like you hear a rock nation or universal want to sign you you just you you excited like you you you you get to tell all your family and friends, oh, this major label want to sign.

Speaker 1 And it sounds like the best thing to do, but

Speaker 1 it's not.

Speaker 2 Nah, Lil Louzi Vera, man, he signed a 360. He hasn't dropped the song in, what, seven years now?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Crazy.
I don't follow that dude much.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you probably like the older school stuff, right?

Speaker 1 No, it's just, it's just, uh, some stuff be weird.

Speaker 2 That's an understatement with him, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, there's that theory that the CIA infiltrated the hip-hop industry. Have you seen that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, with all the programming and the music

Speaker 1 active in all government operations, yeah.

Speaker 2 They say they've they've infiltrated their programming the music to make the youth think in a certain way,

Speaker 1 absolutely. And uh, as I explained in the book, Challenging the Illuminati, uh, music is very, very powerful and influential.
Like, you familiar with

Speaker 1 Napoleon Hill, right? Yeah. Okay.
Um, law of attraction. Uh,

Speaker 1 some people would consider it wishful thinking, but

Speaker 1 you know, uh, it talks about repetition, right? Like, if you tell yourself every day, uh,

Speaker 1 I'm a millionaire. I'm going to be a millionaire.
Like, you start attracting these things to like music is repetition. Like, the courses are repetition.

Speaker 1 People repeat these certain things, and that stuff gets in your mind. And when they get in your mind, you know,

Speaker 1 it's a process. Like it's your program, then it's your thoughts.
And then your thoughts lead to your emotions and your emotions, you know, you act out of your emotions.

Speaker 1 And then when you make the action, there's a consequence. And you trace this all the way back to your program.

Speaker 1 you know, the way you was raised to believe or taught to believe. And a lot of people in the community,

Speaker 1 you know, their program is based on music.

Speaker 1 Even me,

Speaker 1 I'm a victim of that. Like,

Speaker 1 I grew up on music that taught that

Speaker 1 B-words, females ain't nothing. So I started treating females like that.
Like in my early days, I grew up on music that taught that, that glorify selling drugs.

Speaker 1 And I actually started selling drugs when I was 11. Damn.
And

Speaker 1 like, like a lot of the youth right now, they listen to music that glorify killing people.

Speaker 1 So they feel like it's cool to be able to say you killed somebody. And they feel like that, that makes them feel like they are special.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like they somebody if they could say that they killed somebody. This is what the music teaches them.
You know what I mean? So.

Speaker 1 I think in that way, it's going to lead to emotion and that emotion is going to lead to action. The action is going to lead to a consequence, and that consequence is gonna be either death or jail.

Speaker 2 I mean, so 100% a lot of violent music these days, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, blows my mind.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that stuff is dangerous, especially with repetition, like you're saying. If you listen about every day, you're gonna start believing every word.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, people don't realize that music is super powerful.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they uh the government know that the CIA, they definitely know that.

Speaker 2 I used to listen to a lot of rap, but I had to cut back, man, only before basketball now, if i want to get angry yeah you know it does a good job at that yeah get you mad before the game yeah that that sometimes that uh you could channel it yeah you could channel uh

Speaker 1 you can you can even channel emotions that are considered negative emotions into something positive like for example let's say working out like when i first started working out, I was in prison. And,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 the weightlifters will tell me, like,

Speaker 1 before you push, think about something to make you mad. You know what I mean? So I think about something to make me mad and then push and I will be able to push.
You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you can channel it

Speaker 1 that way,

Speaker 1 but you can also channel it in ways that are,

Speaker 1 you know, negative.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 Were people going at you at prison? Were people trying to pick on you?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I never

Speaker 1 I never really had that problem. Really?

Speaker 2 You didn't get in any fights or anything?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's why I never had that problem because, like,

Speaker 1 when I first started going to prison, I was young, bro. You know what I mean? And it was a lot of frustration and pain and anger built up.
So anything, like, my first fight, right? We...

Speaker 1 We all sitting at the table eating and this one dude was just smacking. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Sometimes that irritates you so i tell him like bro like bro stop smacking like that bro you know what i'm saying like you can eat with your mouth

Speaker 1 you know what i'm saying then he started doing it on purpose

Speaker 1 so i got mad and i uh

Speaker 1 i can't cuss right no you can

Speaker 1 so i beat his ass right i was mad though right and and when you when you do something like that in front of everybody people start looking like dude don't play with dude you know what i mean so i i established that uh reputation early on in jail like like i i didn't play at all and then like people already knew me from the street so yeah yeah i heard that's the thing when you get to prison you're supposed to fight right away right no you're supposed to but you can't let nobody

Speaker 1 Can't let nobody try you because if you let one person try you and people, you know, everybody looking at this, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Dude get away with that now. Dude think he can try you and that person think he can try you.
So, you eventually gonna have to fight. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like the first,

Speaker 1 like, I did, I didn't do it because of that. Like, I was really irritated.
We smashed you, and it's like, bro, come on, man. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Then you, you, you, you, you went beyond, you know what I mean? I'm asking you nicely, bro. Come on, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And I beat his ass, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And it was a few other incidents like that, but

Speaker 1 no, I never, um, I never had those issues. Like, God is my witness.
I've never been harmed in any way in prison. I never got beat up in prison.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 1 I guess some of that you can't even, I don't want to sound like a tough guy. Like, don't discredit it to me, but uh, I'm a man of respect, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And in prison, it's, it's about respect. You know what I mean? If you respect people, they respect you, you know what I mean? Disrespect people,

Speaker 1 you, you, it's the consequences, you know what I mean? But

Speaker 1 no, I never had problems, though, like that.

Speaker 2 That makes sense. How old were you the first time you went to prison?

Speaker 1 12. Jeez,

Speaker 1 12 years old, man. Yeah.
How long were you in that? And juvenile prison is worse. Like, I've been to

Speaker 1 the fed state. I've been to all prisons.
You know what I mean? Juvenile prison worse than adult prison because you get less privileges as a juvenile, you know,

Speaker 1 ironically.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 it was terrible. And then being that young, being taken away from your family, your mama, your grandma, your siblings,

Speaker 1 it damaged you mentally and emotionally. Oh, for sure, because you're growing up in that environment.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Damn. How long were you in there at that age?

Speaker 1 I did a couple years

Speaker 1 as a juvenile.

Speaker 1 Most of the time I was in a group home, though. Like the judge.

Speaker 1 came to the conclusion that I didn't have parental guidance. So he put me in a group home.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 ironically, the group home that I was in,

Speaker 1 the staff members, well, one of them was a crackhead. Damn.
And I was still a crack dealer.

Speaker 1 When he found out I was a crack dealer, like, I could have my way. Like, look, bro, you take this.
I'm finna go

Speaker 1 have fun and do me. You know, I said, all right, do you? I ain't gonna say nothing.
Go have your fun. You know what I mean? But

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 my culture

Speaker 1 pretty screwed up. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really like no guidance. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 the people who was trying to stand up, like during the days of, I got to keep mentioning people like Malcolm X and Dr. King.
During their days,

Speaker 1 there was an FBI director named J. Edgar Hoover, right?

Speaker 1 And he put in

Speaker 1 an FBI directive that said

Speaker 1 we have to neutralize

Speaker 1 any

Speaker 1 one of these individuals who display the power to unify and electrify the rest

Speaker 1 of them, meaning the

Speaker 1 population of African Americans, right?

Speaker 1 So if they see a leader rise who having

Speaker 1 a positive impact

Speaker 1 on the population, the culture, whatever, and he could guide them

Speaker 1 in the right direction that

Speaker 1 neutralized by them meant incarcerate or assassinate. And that's what they was doing.
You know, after that directive was put in, Malcolm Ace got assassinated, Dr.

Speaker 1 King got assassinated, Fred Hampton, people like Larry Hoover was incarcerated, like anybody who displayed leadership abilities who could like unify and electrify the rest of the culture was either incarcerated or assassinated.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they still

Speaker 1 have,

Speaker 1 they still implement those directives today. You know what I'm saying? And if it's discreet, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It shows. You know what I mean? Like anytime somebody like me

Speaker 1 become too influential, something happened.

Speaker 2 They shadow ban you or censor you, right?

Speaker 1 And I'm being shadow banned like crazy bro like

Speaker 1 the the last interview i did with matthew cox right yeah it did 300 000 views in one day right damn and then the next day it just declined like from our nowhere like you got to think if if if if anything does

Speaker 1 300 000 views in one day right that means it's a lot of people sharing this and engaging right yep and then it gets to the point like even if you look this interview up, you can't find it.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Like, you, you got to go directly to Matthew Cox's page and look at all his interviews. And then, oh, they go to interview with Ronnie Bo right there.

Speaker 2 I was going to tell you that because when I was preparing for this episode, I googled your name and then podcast, and it doesn't pop up. I have to go on Matthew's page.

Speaker 1 See?

Speaker 2 So only his audience is aware of that episode.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you said that because a lot of people would think, dude, this is a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 2 He making up reasons why the interview didn't didn't go viral it did go viral 300 000 in one day that's viral but then these days yeah that ain't easy there's not a lot of guests that can pull those numbers these days yeah yeah then now you can't find it unless you go to matthew cockpage and dig through the interviews like that's shadow bandit that's it's nuts even when i post these clips i probably can't even mention your name because what they do is they censor your name and some of them even censor with ai your face I don't know if you're at that level yet, but if they see your face on a video, they'll censor their views.

Speaker 1 Bro, I'm so glad that you spoke on that because i've been trying to tell people that and they act like it's just you just making up stuff but no i noticed stuff man i'm in it too i've been shadow banned myself when i have on certain guests like if you look at the interviews that went viral with matthew cox he didn't put my name in the in the uh subject title right

Speaker 1 like i'm gonna advise you don't put ronnie bow don't please don't put ronnie bow in the in the title because they it's not gonna go too far They probably got automation set up.

Speaker 2 So as soon as they see that on a video, oh, shout out that one.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Crazy, man. That's just because you're exposing the truth.
That's scary.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's tough, man. When did that start happening for you?

Speaker 1 I initially went viral in early 2023.

Speaker 1 And I went viral on a podcast that only had 800 subscribers.

Speaker 1 Not 800,000 subscribers, 800, you know what I mean? And it did like a half a million in a very, very, very short time.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 I guess when they saw that this dude, Ronnie Bo has a lot of intellectual books out that

Speaker 1 can influence the population to

Speaker 1 uprise or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like, we can't have that. I mean,

Speaker 1 any, any. anything you put Ronnie Bo in on YouTube

Speaker 1 is going to get shadow banned. And then not only that, like, I had a a lot of followers on

Speaker 1 Instagram, Facebook, and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 When I first went viral, bro, the next day, like my right-handed guy,

Speaker 1 all my pages got taken away the same day. Damn.
So later, I built

Speaker 1 a following on Facebook and all that again.

Speaker 1 And recently, this was just like a couple months ago, my pages got taken away again.

Speaker 1 And that's the real reason why I started giving out my personal number because it's like, okay, I'm having impact, people trying to follow me. You know what I mean? Like, what else am I going to do?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 I got to give out my number again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We'll link it in the video too.
414-587-1919. Call me.
Like, but

Speaker 1 another thing about that, like, if you're not a real person, don't call me. Please don't.

Speaker 1 Like, don't waste my time because,

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 it's this one dude. He,

Speaker 1 it's two dudes one of them is like a lgbtq and i don't got nothing against the lgbtq community but they don't like people like me you know what i mean like i stand on my manhood and then the other dude like he had a a history of plant funneling with kids right yeah these two dudes um start creating videos to bash me right saying bad things about me.

Speaker 1 So a lot of the people that was calling me start turning against me. damn like

Speaker 1 and and that's good i want those type of people to turn against me because if i have a movement and y'all will go against me for something that

Speaker 1 um the the lowest of life will say about me like people who playing with kids could say something bad about a stand-up guy like me and y'all turn against me i don't want that type of support

Speaker 1 so Please, audience, don't call my phone if you're not a real person. Like, I don't got time time for that.
I don't want to talk to you. You know what I mean? If you're real, you know, let's work.

Speaker 1 Let's

Speaker 1 try to create some significant, positive change in the world and the community. And I'm willing to work with anybody.
Like, I don't care if you got a podcast, you only got 100 subscribers.

Speaker 1 You know, I do an interview with you for free. I'm giving my books out for free.
Like,

Speaker 1 bro, when I gave out my number,

Speaker 1 I was getting 1,000 to 1,500 calls and takes per day. Right.

Speaker 1 And like, I'm one person. Like, I got one phone.
So I was trying to, everybody's calling about the free e-book. I'm trying to send everybody the free e-book.

Speaker 1 Like, some people, if they don't get the e-book in 10 minutes, they cussing me out. You're a scammer.
And it's like.

Speaker 2 You could automate that, by the way.

Speaker 1 How?

Speaker 2 I'll teach you. Yeah, you could set up a number where as soon as someone texts it, it it sends them the e-book so you don't have to manually do it.

Speaker 1 Man, thank God I met you because

Speaker 1 I don't want people to go against me because of like if you go against me and it's for a valid reason, cool, I can accept that, but don't go against me because it's a thousand people calling me and texting me.

Speaker 1 And by the time I look at your text,

Speaker 1 it's so far. Down the list.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I used to have that issue because I host networking events. And at first only 20 people came, but now I have over a thousand at each one.
But I used to manually text every attendee.

Speaker 2 And then it got to the point where it was taking eight hours a day to text everyone.

Speaker 2 So I had to set that shit up, man. It'll be a game changer for you.
But the calls, you'll still have to do on your own.

Speaker 1 The phone calls. You're going to be

Speaker 1 my best friend.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll teach you the business stuff, man.

Speaker 2 As long as you provide value. That's the hard part.
People can't provide value, so then they can't monetize. But it sounds like you've been through a lot and you can teach people.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. You know? And that's what I'm here for.
Like, I'm, I'm a, I'm, I'm a man of God for real, bro. Like, I, I stand on this.
Like, that, that lady over there, she a very

Speaker 1 important, powerful, beautiful person. And

Speaker 1 she, uh,

Speaker 1 she was one of the people who called the number. Wow.
She didn't, she didn't get a response from me for like a month. Damn.
I mean, like, people got to understand, like,

Speaker 1 if I didn't respond to her, it's not that I'm ignoring people. Like, if I'd have knew this person was reaching out to me, I'd have been, you know, text back or call.

Speaker 1 But it's so many people, like, I can't keep up with

Speaker 1 everybody, you know what I mean? But I don't know.

Speaker 1 I just,

Speaker 1 I got a good heart. I

Speaker 1 try to show love to everybody. People just got to be more understanding.
Like, I'm really one person. And people still, from that Matthew Cox interview, they still to this day, bro.

Speaker 1 like they just watched it and they

Speaker 1 calling or texting like it just came out. Yeah.
Like where the free e-book at? Crazy.

Speaker 2 That's how I found out about you that interview.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That one blew up, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We got to get you on X.
That's the free speech platform, Twitter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Are you on there yet?

Speaker 1 No, I'm an e, I'm a.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's get you on there, man. Because you could say whatever you want on there.
You won't get banned or censored.

Speaker 1 One thing, one thing I want to speak about, though

Speaker 1 is um the rituals right

Speaker 1 in the uh music industry and there's also rituals like in the streets right like they have informants they have people

Speaker 1 who work for the government to set up other drug dealers

Speaker 1 and they got to do rituals like If you ain't set up nobody in a year, then it's like, bro, what is you doing? Work for us. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 In the music industry, like sometimes people really have to sacrifice a little one. And then if you do it once,

Speaker 1 you think you're good.

Speaker 1 And then they want to establish that trust again and make sure you still align with the agenda. So they come back to you and say, well, you sacrificed your mom.
Now we want your son or your daughter.

Speaker 1 And it's like,

Speaker 1 damn. You know what I mean? Like, I hardy.
sacrificed my mama. You know what I mean? Now I got it.
It really goes on, bro.

Speaker 1 It really goes on. And

Speaker 1 even in prison, like, I got to really humble myself to admit this because a lot of people won't admit this, right? But they do humiliation rituals in prison.

Speaker 1 Like, everybody don't get sexually assaulted or nothing like that, like in the sense that you would think. But everybody has to,

Speaker 1 when you get processed,

Speaker 1 like.

Speaker 1 They tell you to squat, right? Yeah. And cough and spread your cheeks.
Like, literally, that's humiliation, bro. Like, if I tell you, Sean, go over there, get naked,

Speaker 1 turn around, squat, and spread your cheeks. How would you feel about that? Feel really vulnerable, yeah.

Speaker 1 Humiliated, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, humiliated for sure.

Speaker 1 They do that to all of us. I don't care if you're Big Meese, Larry Hoover, who, who,

Speaker 1 John Gotti, I don't care how tough you think you is. They do that to everybody.
Are you naked during that? Yeah. They make you get butt naked and literally spread your cheeks and squat.
I think

Speaker 1 if you don't do it, you go under the jail, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Really? You go to ISO, straight to ISO?

Speaker 1 Yes, holy crap! Yes, and you can't call nobody, you can't do nothing. So, these uh, these rituals go on on all levels, like in the streets, in prison, and

Speaker 1 in the industry. And

Speaker 1 when you get like

Speaker 1 in a position where everybody looking up to you, whether you

Speaker 1 a big-time musician or

Speaker 1 actor or whatever, they want to make sure you in line with the agenda because you got a majority of the population looking up to you. So if you just come out and do a Dr.

Speaker 1 King speech and all these people looking up to you, you know what I mean, and you tell them to do something that's against the agenda, then you're a threat. You know what I mean? So they, to

Speaker 1 eliminate that threat, they want to make sure

Speaker 1 that you are aligned with the agenda by certain rituals. You know what I mean? Whether it's a humiliation ritual or

Speaker 1 you sacrifice a loved one. Like,

Speaker 1 this stuff really, this stuff really go on. And people,

Speaker 1 even people who did it before, sometimes like they won out. And R.
Kelly, for example.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to. say too much about him because I'm not the one who want to expose him, but he had to do rituals.
And then he he got to the point where it's like, man, it's enough.

Speaker 1 I can't keep doing this. And then, you know, it's consequences for that.
Then you got people like Jay-Z, right?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 they know

Speaker 1 the influence that Jay-Z

Speaker 1 has to this day on the culture. And even like, you got people like Yo Gotti.

Speaker 1 Lil Dirk who like up and coming Jay-Zs and they look up to Jay-Z because because they want to reach that status, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And they know that I could control all these people by just controlling one. If I could control Jay-Z, and all these people look up to Jay-Z,

Speaker 1 then it's less work. I don't have to put so much effort in controlling everybody.
As long as I control Jay-Z and I can make him a billionaire, and I can make sure he's aligned with the most

Speaker 1 desired woman in the culture, then, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's that seemed pretty planned out, right? That relationship,

Speaker 1 Beyonce, yeah, yeah, you know, they tried it initially with Aaliyah,

Speaker 1 but Aaliyah

Speaker 1 was more so attracted to uh dame dash, you know what I mean? And she wasn't trying to be with the agenda, and

Speaker 1 the agenda, it was a lot of money behind the agenda, and not just that, like the influence. Like when they had

Speaker 1 Aaliyah working under R. Kelly, right? Her album was called Age Ain't Nothing But a Number.
And she was like 14 or 15. And then they do this publicity stunt to where they put out that R.

Speaker 1 Kelly married Aaliyah, right?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this is my truth.

Speaker 1 This is coming. from my conversations with R.
Kelly, like not what nobody else got to say in the media or none of that. So according to R.
Kelly, it was a publicity stand. He never married her

Speaker 1 or none of that.

Speaker 1 But it was a

Speaker 1 agenda. You know what I mean? Like they want, they wanted the 14-year-olds to feel like it's okay

Speaker 1 to have sex with older men and to act grown. And that that destabilizes the

Speaker 1 household. You know what I mean? Like when when you a kid and you having kids, you can't really raise a kid properly.
Yeah. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like you, you, you not even fully developed mentally yet. So how you gonna raise a child and develop them the right way? You know what I mean? Like

Speaker 1 the agenda is well thought out and planned, bro. And the strategies that they use are very.
effective and

Speaker 1 it takes a wise person to be able to see through what what they're trying to do. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've heard of those rituals, man. You see the naked one where like people go naked to the award shows?

Speaker 1 No, but. You haven't seen that one?

Speaker 2 I think it was The Rock. He showed up naked.

Speaker 1 No, I recently saw at the Grammys Kanye made his wife

Speaker 2 get naked. That was it.
You never know with the media, man. They try to paint him in such a bad light.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The streets the same way, bro. Like

Speaker 1 some of these

Speaker 1 some of these things that I speak about will seem very outrageous, but because I didn't want to work for the government to be an informant and set up other people, like my integrity wouldn't let me do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So,

Speaker 1 you know, I was framed in a federal indictment that I really didn't do.

Speaker 1 My brother was killed by.

Speaker 1 police officers, you know what I mean? Which I can't prove, but in a way, I can prove. And they eventually going to have to address that.
Because see how they work. Like,

Speaker 1 if they got you as an informant, right?

Speaker 1 Like, they don't just got you out here setting people up, but they could tell you to go kill somebody and they're going to let you get away with it. And, you know, you could do that.
Damn.

Speaker 1 That's what they did with my brother. And not just that.
My nephew, who I raised, he locked up for a murder right now that he didn't do. And

Speaker 1 the only evidence they had was from an informant that said he committed this murder. You know what I mean? And

Speaker 1 they doing all this stuff to try to

Speaker 1 just destroy me mentally and emotionally. You know what I mean? So I can't do what I'm doing.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 All because I wouldn't work for the government. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And it's crazy. Like,

Speaker 1 I put out a book 12 years ago called The Holy Trap Scriptures, right?

Speaker 1 The state of Wisconsin. You know, I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
They banned the book in the whole state of Wisconsin. Holy crap.

Speaker 2 I didn't know they could do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like they go to the extremes when they can't control you and align you with the agenda. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, no, no telling what they do, bro.

Speaker 2 That's nuts. I wonder how many informants they have.

Speaker 1 You think it's a lot?

Speaker 1 That's another reason why I won't go back to selling drugs because the majority of these dudes out here is either informants, or if they get in a real tough situation, they will become informants.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Especially at the level you are at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, they don't have integrity, bro. They're not strong mentally.

Speaker 1 If they tell you, look, if you don't tell on Ronnie Bowl, you're going to get life or stuff like that, you're never going to see your girlfriend again, these dudes can't handle that mentally or emotionally, and they're going to fold.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, it's only a few of us who are not going to fold. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is that how they got you, informants?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like people close to me. Damn, that smells tough.
Yeah, people,

Speaker 1 people real close to me.

Speaker 1 And the informants even lied. And I even, if you look at my case

Speaker 1 in the Eastern District of Wisconsin, you can look it up on CCAP, case number 17 CV 1192, right?

Speaker 1 I sued the DEA before they indicted me. Really? And this DEA agent

Speaker 1 was discovered as

Speaker 1 a racist and he was discovered as somebody who had framed other people in cases, not just me. You know what I mean? And

Speaker 1 my indictment was like malicious prosecution. Like, you indict me because I sued you and because I won't work for you.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And now I'm caught up in all this, my freedom gone.

Speaker 1 For a minute, I was on the run, couldn't go see my son when I wanted to see him. Now I'm locked up.
My son hurt because his dad ain't around. I really didn't commit this crime.
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 y'all, y'all did this because I wouldn't work for y'all. And they go to the extreme, bro.
And that's just the streak. So

Speaker 1 the music industry, you know, music is a lot more influential. So just imagine what they do than that industry.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're starting to see it. Justin Bieber's looking crazy these days, right? He looks like he's mentally distraught over something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 it's probably because of

Speaker 1 everybody knows he did with Diddy. And that, you know, he was a young man.
Like,

Speaker 1 man, the Lord have mercy on that young man's mind and his heart because,

Speaker 1 like, he was taken advantage of, bro. And they use people like Diddy and let them do anything to anybody until you fall out of line and start thinking you

Speaker 1 bigger than the people who put you in position. Like,

Speaker 1 Diddy did some

Speaker 1 bad things to not just Justin Beaver, not just Usher, but a lot of people. And he shot a lady in the face who I see as my sister.
But

Speaker 1 even with that, back to the Sean Atwood thing, right? Like, Sean Atwood,

Speaker 1 most of my interviews, he wanted me to talk bad about R. Kelly,

Speaker 1 Jay-Z, Diddy, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 okay, yeah, I had some bad things to say about Jay-Z.

Speaker 1 Even Diddy, I didn't speak because I don't know much about Diddy, you know what I mean? But

Speaker 1 it's like, you want me to,

Speaker 1 you want all my interviews to be directed towards tearing down other

Speaker 1 black men, right?

Speaker 1 And then I find out that Sean Atwood was

Speaker 1 part of a white supremacist organization, right? Really? He admitted that in the interview, right? Wow. And I know how this go in the fairs, right? Like

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 you go to the fairs, like me, I was with the GDs, right?

Speaker 1 I grew up GD. So

Speaker 1 that was

Speaker 1 the right thing to do. You know what I mean? Sean Atwood, he said, he tried to make it seem like he had to join them.
You didn't have to join him. And then.

Speaker 1 Even when you join them, like you locked up for years around people who expressing all this hatred towards a certain group of people and you want to get out and act like that is not weighing on your mind right you know what i mean so i tested sean atwood uh when i was trying to resolve things and i tried to do something positive for the black community you know i tried to push peace and i told him during a live interview like look bro i don't want to talk about Jay-Z or Diddy or none of them no more.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, they creeps or whatever. You know what I mean? But I said enough about them.

Speaker 1 Like, i don't you're not finna you're not finna dictate my content and and focus it on that when i got a lot of positive things to talk about yeah that let's let's let's let's talk about some positive things you know i'm saying that we could do in the black community and they they won they won with that you know what i mean so uh well they from his point of view he probably gets way less views you know Yeah, and

Speaker 1 Sean Atwood,

Speaker 1 he's suffering right now. You got to look at his views, lady.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you seem to hold a grudge on people you don't mess with.

Speaker 1 No, it's not just that, but they tried to belittle me. And

Speaker 1 I treat everybody with respect. I don't care how

Speaker 1 great, big, or none of that. Like, I'm going to treat everybody.
I'm going to treat the person you consider the bum on the street begging for change with the same love and respect that I treat

Speaker 1 Donald Trump. You know what I mean? And that's just me.
You know what I mean? But

Speaker 1 when I see a person trying to belittle me, when I know the integrity and the love I got in my heart, then I got to make an example and stand up for the little guys and show that

Speaker 1 you're not going to be able to treat everybody

Speaker 1 that you see as a little guy, like a little guy, because now it's like, you know, I got them by the balls. You know what I mean? Like this channel that you work so long to establish is in jeopardy.

Speaker 1 And At any minute, any minute, like I got an email list of like 10,000 people, right?

Speaker 1 If I email all them people and say, report Sean Atwood's channel, his channel will be taken down instantly within days. You know what I mean? Yeah.
But I ain't going to do that yet, man.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I ain't going to do that yet, man.

Speaker 1 If he come correct and he realized that,

Speaker 1 you know, that

Speaker 1 he got himself

Speaker 1 in a situation with with a, with a person, he underestimated, and he,

Speaker 1 you know, humble himself and come correct them.

Speaker 1 You know, I let him keep his channel.

Speaker 2 I might have to set up that boxing pay-per-view, man.

Speaker 1 You and him?

Speaker 1 Did you see the text message I sent him when

Speaker 1 I said apologize?

Speaker 2 No, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 You told him to apologize to you?

Speaker 1 I sent it to you.

Speaker 2 So apologies mean a lot to you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go to your WhatsApp because that phone did. It's probably in one of them this now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's probably older, but you told him to apologize

Speaker 1 we're uh we could say that for another time but

Speaker 1 he instantly went on his page and and apologized and said i'm i'm sorry ronnie bowl like but

Speaker 1 if if you rewind that to how arrogant they was and how they was trying to belittle me you will see that

Speaker 1 It was something that happened in between that to make them realize, like, let's stop playing with this dude.

Speaker 1 he probably not as small as we

Speaker 1 would like to believe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 shout out to Sean Atwood, man. Just get it together, bro.
Let you keep your page.

Speaker 2 I got a cheer for my fellow Sean if we share the same name, man.

Speaker 1 No, you are spelled

Speaker 1 better.

Speaker 1 Let's go. S-E-A-M.

Speaker 2 That's the superior way to spell it.

Speaker 1 You got a way, a better soul, way, a better personality, man. Sean Atwood.

Speaker 1 He still, you know,

Speaker 1 he was with those white supremacists so long, he still think that way. Like, you can't be a part of an organization for years and then get out and not think that way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that just doesn't leave you overnight, right?

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Makes sense, man. Anything else you got?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 well, yeah, I got a, uh, you got a book coming out soon? I got a lot of books out.

Speaker 1 They got to just look up Ronnie Bo, but I want to, my sister, my dear sister, Jack World Wright, been saying I owe her an apology, right? And she was supposed to come here.

Speaker 1 Did she respond? What'd she say? We get to apart tomorrow. I'm gonna let you have that tomorrow.
I'm probably gonna be back in Milwaukee, but she was supposed to be here today. But

Speaker 1 my dear sister,

Speaker 1 one, I want to congratulate her for the

Speaker 1 award that she won, the Freedom Award that she got at Mar-a-Lago. You know, I didn't know that.
Congrats. Yeah, congratulations to her for that.
But she said I owe her her an apology and uh

Speaker 1 i really didn't think that i uh owe her apology but since she stated it publicly i'm gonna address it publicly but i'm gonna say uh

Speaker 1 jag i love you this this conflict ain't for us it's it's it's not for us you know and uh

Speaker 1 with the influence that you have and the influence that i have i think that it's best for us to like collaborate like you are a very talented woman outside of the public public speaking and i'm a very talented guy and i think we should collaborate on the album and if we do that we can go on tour and during the tour while we perform our music we could do our public speaking and spread positive messages you know to the community

Speaker 1 if not just uh nationally, but probably intranationally. You know what I mean? Because we got, we both got fans in London.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw some of the messages I sent you, but I had people from the UK, London,

Speaker 1 calling the police saying, make sure Ronnie Bo is protected.

Speaker 1 Provide him with police escort services, as I suggested,

Speaker 1 because I get real attempts,

Speaker 1 assassination attempts on my life.

Speaker 1 It's no telling.

Speaker 1 Jack, I'm not finna do this with you. I love you, sis, and I think you should really consider this proposition.

Speaker 1 I love that, man. Yeah.
And I hope she says she'll come tomorrow, though. That's for you, Sean.
Damn. Make sure.
I'm probably going to leave, but

Speaker 1 I'm going to make sure.

Speaker 2 Oh, she moved her flight back. That's a good girlfriend, man.

Speaker 2 We'll do a part two tomorrow with her. Yeah, I hope she accepts your apology, man.
I don't know what the beef is, but it sounds like you really value her relationship.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not apologizing, though. I love Jenny,

Speaker 1 but I don't know what what to apologize about. You know what I mean? I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 So she's mad at you right now?

Speaker 1 Seeing, I don't know. She said publicly, and Jag got both.
She got two of my numbers, right?

Speaker 1 So she could have just called or text and said, you owe me an apology. But being that she said it publicly, then I have to address it publicly.

Speaker 2 Maybe she got asked on the spot about you and she did not respond, you know?

Speaker 1 Did.

Speaker 2 Who knows? But it sounds like you two go back and you got a really tight relationship.

Speaker 1 Did it's cool, dude.

Speaker 2 Anything else you want to close off with? We'll do another part tomorrow.

Speaker 1 That's John Hitter. Hit it,

Speaker 2 he's ready. So, I'm gonna hit it.

Speaker 1 They're gonna be able to hear it though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll throw it on the video.

Speaker 2 I'm tired of seeing you going back to going back to work, Jim. You are too intelligent for that.
And the next time you go, the ass go stay there.

Speaker 2 But don't call me,

Speaker 1 put no money on no money. I was in that courtroom alone, sold fed and all for food and clothes.
Back in the studio, doing songs, fuck my ex, I'm moving on.

Speaker 1 At the streets who they rootin' for, nigga, you a bow.

Speaker 1 I was homeless, had no housekeep. Tell Caroline, bae, don't doubt me.

Speaker 1 Can I sleep on your couch, please, for about a week while I waste these just taking these styles out to to E-Frame by the fares, nobody believe me? I'm Ronnie Bo, I'm Milwaukee's EZ.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm the one that got R. Kelly off PC.
Had to fall back from the GDs, but TP still plugged. Obviously, am I him possibly? Where else would Jay-Z wanna kill me or solo?

Speaker 1 Jaguar rights say I owe apology. If I'm your brother, why you let him make me out of mockery? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Perfect. All right, guys.
We'll check out Ronnie's socials below and we'll link his Amazon if you want to check out his books and your phone number.

Speaker 2 Thanks for coming on, and we'll do a part two tomorrow, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, put the link in the description. All the links in the description, bro.

Speaker 2 We'll do it. All right, guys, check them out.

Speaker 1 Boom.