Kristina Baehr: America Is Being Poisoned And No One Is Talking About It | DSH #1707

38m

Most people don’t realize they’re being poisoned — until it’s too late.


In this episode, Kristina reveals how toxic mold, contaminated water, and institutional cover-ups are quietly making Americans sick — and why the legal system is often the only line of defense families have left.


From her own life-altering mold poisoning, to uncovering widespread construction negligence, to leading the first successful environmental case against the U.S. Navy after jet fuel poisoned 93,000 people in Hawaii, Christina breaks down how corporations and government agencies deny harm, suppress testing, and treat human lives as a business expense.


📚 What You’ll Learn


☠️ How toxic mold silently poisons families

🧠 Why mold exposure causes brain damage & rage

🏠 Why newer homes trap toxins

🚿 How water contamination gets covered up

⚖️ Why lawsuits change corporate behavior

🪖 Why military families face higher risk

🧪 How testing is intentionally avoided

🔥 Why accountability saves lives


Chapters

00:00 Poisoned Without Knowing It

01:54 Doctors Said “Reduce Stress” — She Got Sicker

02:51 Discovering Mold Was Killing Her Family

03:36 The Building Industry’s Dirty Secret

04:22 The Navy Poisoned 93,000 People in Hawaii

05:03 Suing the U.S. Navy — And Winning

06:13 Why Corporations Call Poisoning a “Business Expense”

08:20 Mold Is Now Linked to Brain Damage

10:31 Why New Homes Are More Dangerous Than Old Ones

14:04 Children, Military Families & Permanent Damage


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And the Navy had spilled jet fuel next to the water source on the island of Oahu, and they poisoned 93,000 people.

And I saw a community of people that was suffering, and they were sick, and I was sick, so I could recognize that they were sick, and I knew that they were going to be sicker.

I started speaking out against the United States Navy to anyone who would listen. I said, People are suffering here, people are sick.

And I passed the mic to my clients, and I talked to every reporter who would listen to me. We hosted these town halls, and we invited the media, and we said, People are sick.

And the Navy said, no, they're not. And the Navy had told people the water was safe, knowing that there was fuel in the water.

Okay, guys, we got Christina here. Important message today.
We're going to talk about how everyone watching this is being poisoned. Thanks for coming on.
Glad to be here.

I got to hear how you got started on this journey. I was poisoned.
Mold?

I was living in a house and I got sicker and sicker and sicker. And I didn't know what was poisoning me.
I mean, I didn't know I was being poisoned at all. I just knew that I couldn't see straight.

And I had these migraines that wouldn't go away. And I had rashes that came and went.
And I went to doctor after doctor after doctor. And you've heard the story a thousand times.

They tell you you're stressed. I was doing big law.
I was doing IP litigation at a big firm. I was doing very well.

And they said, you know, you've got four kids. You should reduce stress in your life.

So I did that. And I got a government job and I went to the U.S.
attorney's office, which was a dream job. And I reduced stress in my life.

And I was sugar-free and gluten-free and dairy-free and exercising all the time. And I got sicker.

And then they sent us to go work at home during COVID. And that's when it all hit the fan.
And thankfully,

one of the many doctors I saw is Dr. Picardo, and she gave me a mycotoxin test.
And I had never heard of the word mycotoxin.

And she said, go test your house.

And we found that our house was killing us. Wow.
How many different types of mold were there?

Well, the biggest ones were Stachybotris, which is a particular kind of black mold, and Aspergillus. Those are the two that were the worst at our house.

And, you know, ultimately, I found out that there's a whole building industry that's poisoning families. They don't care.
And they're cutting costs and they're cutting corners.

And it's leading to moisture and water damage in these walls. And it's making people really sick.
Interesting. And I, you know, look, my husband and I have five Ivy League degrees between us.

We had never heard the word stachypatris. I don't think most people have.
And that's intentional. That is intentional.
Big industry does not want you to know what's happening in these houses.

And we started building a case against our builders.

And it was the builder, it was the roofer, it was the designer. It was a whole comedy of errors and intentional errors.

They knew that the roof wasn't flashed properly, and they rigged it to pass inspection. Wow.

And we lived in that house for eight years with it growing in the walls. Jeez.

So we started building a case against the builders. And then I realized that there were very few lawyers who were doing this kind of work.
So I started a law firm to help other families.

And CNBC did a story about us around the same time.

First week I was open, I got a thousand calls. Oh my gosh.
There's just a need for it. People are really, really suffering and they need help.
That is crazy. A thousand calls in the first week.

I can't believe that. So this is a really common issue then.
It's a really common problem, but it's not just mold. So one of the calls that I got was from Hawaii.

And there were people over there who said, said I've been poisoned can you help so I got on got on a plane got over there I had my personal credit card and a cap my cowboy boots

and my firm was brand new and the Navy had spilled jet fuel next to the water source on the island of Oahu and they poisoned 93,000 people

and I saw a community of people that was suffering and they were sick and I was sick so I could recognize that they were sick and I knew that they were going to be sicker and I started speaking out against the United States Navy to anyone who would listen.

And I said, people are suffering here. People are sick.
And I passed the mic to my clients. And I,

you know, talked to every reporter who would listen to me. And we hosted these town halls and we invited the media and we said, people are sick.
And the Navy said, no, they're not.

And the Navy had told people the water was safe, knowing that there was fuel in the water. And so we started building a case against the United States Navy.

And we went to trial last May, and I ended up as lead counsel for 7,000 people

in the first successful environmental case against the United States. First one.
So they're good at defending those, but you had enough evidence to win that one.

Well, they made it easy. I mean,

that's a lot of people, 7,000 people. They spilled jet fuel right next to the water source.

And then they had the audacity to release a statement saying there is no indication the water is not not safe.

Even as they saw pictures of kids with welts on them, I mean, kids were getting burned in the shower and in the bath and

people were vomiting and literally the Navy's position. They held town halls all over the base.
And at the town halls, they said, we're investigating the source.

We don't know where it's coming from. There's no indication the water is not safe.

Knowing full well that there had been this huge spill the week before right next to the right next to a well

crazy

they thought they could get away with it i guess but that's what we have we have institutions whether it's the navy or big food or big pharma poisoning people in america and then saying it's safe some big investigations going on right now johnson johnson is being investigated by congress now

large companies you know that baby formula rabbit hole is a deep one And they know.

And that's what the research shows. They know.
You know, when you get the discovery, you see that they knew exactly what was going on and they let it happen. It's a business expense for them, right?

That's right. And that's what the law is for.
The law is about changing the incentives. Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcomes.
And for too long,

whether it's the Navy or big builders or big landlords, they thought that they could do it with impunity. It was a business expense.
They just let it happen.

But I think in the last few years, families in America have woken up. Yeah.
And we're saying, no more. You cannot do this with impunity anymore.
We are going to take a stand.

We're going to bring the claims. We're going to unite.
We're going to seek truth and we're going to seek justice and we're going to change the incentives. And that's what the law is for.

Love that. Have you seen any of these big developers or big landlords make any changes yet in regards to the mold stuff?

Yes. That's good.
Yes.

When I started doing this, especially in Austin, people thought I was crazy.

And the vitriol and just the condescension from the defense lawyers in particular was just awful. I mean, lady, do you not know that these cases died in the 1990s?

I went to arbitration last week against a guy like that. Wow.
I mean,

looking at the arbitrators and saying, there's a reason that mold cases died in the 1990s, you know, and

I have the benefit of the last few years of practice of being able to say,

look, there was a time when this was all considered junk science,

but no more.

The NIH now recognizes that mold exposure causes asthma, allergies, we knew that, but it causes cognitive harm. That's what the NIH says.
This isn't, this is not junk science.

This is universally recognized, and this is peer-reviewed medical literature. And you, sir, are old.

I mean, that's really the answer.

The old, like the old white guys are the ones who are incredibly condescending and like lady, you know, lady is kind of the, the, the, the ethos of like lady and lady, you don't know, little lady.

And, you know, no, the science is there so when you say has it changed the science has changed the science has caught up and there is a reckoning that's happening right now and now when we get companies like Graystar to the table

it's not

it's not junk science you can't say it's junk science anymore that's a big step right

and when I get you know we do a lot of mock juries

in every case we do focus groups

You know, I asked the focus group, and I've now asked at least 200 potential jurors in Texas and around the country. Does mold make you sick?

Every single one of them says yes. Wow.
Does mold cause brain damage?

Every one of them says yes.

You don't need to trot out an expert to say so. They just know that it's true.

The people who are skeptical are the old white guy lawyers, right?

Because the science wasn't proven back then when they were

they grew up in a world where they considered this junk science and they just haven't you know, they haven't wrapped their little minds around the idea that this isn't junk science.

This is very real and people are getting very sick and the people who are getting sick are not going to stand for it.

Makes me wonder how many places I've lived have had it because my dorm room in college was built in 1957. at Rockers.

There's a good chance that building has something, right?

You know, it's the newer buildings that are the worst. Really? That's what's so dangerous.
Not the old ones? The old ones are a lot safer than the new ones. Oh, wow.

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I would have thought the opposite.

So they're just building them too fast and they're not caring about safety, basically?

They don't give a shit

about the people.

But besides that, it's because

the new regulations require these houses houses to be airtight.

And so they put in spray foam.

And when you make it airtight and then you make the air toxic because of

water damage or whatever's happening,

then those toxins become.

It's like a bubble. Right.

It becomes a toxic bubble because the house doesn't breathe.

So looking for a new house in Austin, I went around with a mold assessor and I went to six different houses and I took tests at each of them.

And I had this theory that the oldest house was going to be the safest. And I was right.
Wow. The 1904 house

was safer than the 2022 house. Crazy.
120-year-old house. Do you know that mold? Way safer.
That is nuts. Yeah, that was the first test I got when I bought my house, a mold test.
Good.

Even in Vegas where there's no humidity, I was like, I'm not risking it. Good.

Because I know it's more common in humid climates right it's more common in humid climates but it's it's common anywhere where you have air conditioning and and spray foam right because if you oversize that hvac you're gonna grow moisture in the walls and it's gonna become it's gonna become toxic the the mold can grow

in the spray foam wow when we opened our walls we saw moldy spray foam

because of the humidity problem.

So ultimately, in my case, when we went to trial, we went to trial against the HVAC company because the HVAC company hadn't connected it to dehumidify as it was intended.

And as a result, it created this extra humidity in the walls that made the problem so much worse. Now, of course, there was also the roofing issues and it wasn't flashed properly and all of that.

But the HVAC is what made a problem that would have been bad, you know, catastrophic. Yeah, you got four kids, your husband, like there's a lot of people that got affected, right?

My son was regressing in his developmental milestones. He was running into walls and the corners of walls.
He was two.

And we couldn't figure out what was wrong with him.

Everyone was in therapy. I mean, vision therapy, occupational therapy.

And it never occurred to me that there was a root cause. We were just home during COVID.
We were getting everybody the help they needed.

And it had, I had no idea that there could be something that was affecting all of us. It just, it wasn't, it wasn't in my toolkit.

And it wasn't in the toolkit of any of the doctors, wonderful doctors that I saw.

Yeah, you probably went to the best doctors out there. Best doctors.
They had no idea, right?

They don't get taught that in med school. I mean, they, they told me to reduce stress in my life.
It's not bad advice,

but it's often the advice that women get when they don't know what else to say. Right.
And it's wrong. Yeah, I know that.
Or sometimes. Jordan Peterson's daughter struggled with this too, right?

Michaela.

She was pregnant while it was going on. Yeah.

Crazy. Man.
And mycotoxins pass through breast milk. Really?

So you can, you know, when you looked at my mycotoxins and my son's mycotoxins, mine,

aspergillus creates ochrotoxin A, and mine were bad, but my son's were off the charts. Jeez.
Like you couldn't,

the limit was eight.

His was 108. oh my gosh

and you see in the medical literature that ocrotoxin a passes through breast milk so i must have detoxed into him

and then his little body couldn't detox that's so sad was that house fixable or did you guys move

well we've we we tore it down basically to the studs i mean we removed the brick and the entire exterior and then we rebuilt it and ultimately by the time we got through all of that we couldn't afford it anymore we had spent every last dollar we had.

Sounds super expensive to basically redo a whole house, right? Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Oh my gosh.
700, we spent $700,000 fixing that house. Holy crap.

And while you're doing that, while you're doing that, you're paying for alternate, you know, paying rent, right? You're paying your mortgage, you're paying the construction.

And meanwhile, you're so sick and you're paying all these doctors. I mean, it brought, I say to my clients,

no matter how much money you have, you lose it all

because there's nothing that you won't do to help your kids get well. Right.

So, whatever it takes to get to a safer house and to get well is what you'll do. And now, when I get, you know,

when I'm able to help people recover financially through lawsuits,

it's amazing.

Every single person

has spent it on housing, safer housing, or medical care,

the right medical care. I have not seen a single plaintiff waste the money.
Every one of them has spent it on health.

And so I think there's a bad wrap of lawsuits in America where we say it's litigious,

these plaintiffs, lawyers.

That's not my experience. That's not what I've seen.
That's certainly kind of what I thought when I was on the defensive side working for the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Oh, those plaintiffs' lawyers are greedy.

But

no,

the justice system is entrusted with enforcing the safety rules. If people don't bring the claims, the system can't do its job.
Right.

And the bad acts are just going to continue. So these people aren't greedy.
They're brave.

And

They need the financial recovery so they can rebuild their lives. Yeah.

My previous assistants had a mold issue at his apartment and he couldn't afford legal, but he had a baby and both him and the baby were going to the ER like every couple months.

It was it was really bad. But I'd imagine there's a lot of people in that situation too.
Now we only work on contingency. Oh, wow.

Because I know that the people who are in that situation can't afford, they can't afford hourly lawyers.

That's and I want them to spend the money in the immediate aftermath. I want them to spend that money getting well.

Don't pay an hourly lawyer. I want you to get well.

And your job is to go forth and get well. And my job is to get you financial recovery so you can use that financial recovery to get well.

Yeah. Hats off to you because not a lot of lawyers operate that way.
Yeah, I'm trying to raise up an army of lawyers.

If you know anyone, if you're listening to this and you're a lawyer who wants to participate, we have a safe housing collaborative and we're raising up an army of lawyers around the country to do these cases i'm sure you can't even keep up with the demand you said you got a thousand calls i can't i mean i how do you even do intake for a thousand calls

we have been

racing to catch up ever since at the time i had one paralegal who is my co-founder she's amazing but it was just me and her wow you know my husband set me up on airtable

i had never heard of airtable but you know now we have systems in place but at the time it was just

what are we going to do with all these people? That's nuts.

And you want to make sure that everyone gets a call back. That was really important to me because when I was looking for a lawyer, I couldn't get anyone to return my calls.
Right.

I found one guy who does wrongful death cases for a mold.

And I reached out to him. And I was in AUSA.
I mean, I was a lawyer.

And I sent him an email and I called and left messages. And I said, hey, if I could just have 15 minutes of your time, you could just give me some advice.

I understand you might not be able to take my case.

He didn't even return my call. Damn.

He didn't even have a paralegal return my call

or a receptionist or something.

Nothing.

And I thought, you know what?

If you only want to do wrongful death cases,

you can have the dead people.

You have to die to get representation.

You know what? You help the dead people, and I'm going to help the people who are alive.

And that was a real inspiration to start my firm because

we shouldn't have to die to get representation

when it really matters to these families. That's nuts.
So anyway, he can have the dead people. It turned out, though, in the first year, I lost two clients.
Whoa.

And so those cases became wrongful death cases. So it's that severe where people can actually die from it too? My client died at the age of 31

in the house we told her to leave. Oh my gosh, that's young.

She had a heart attack. From mold?

Holy crap. I didn't know that was possible.

You can get super, it's like long COVID. It creates systemic inflammation.
So whatever you have going on in your body, it's going to exacerbate it a hundred times.

And she had mold growing inside. Of her body? Well, inside of her house.

It was an HVAC problem.

And, you know, she had this attitude of, well, I'm going to stay until HVAC

fixes it.

And they never fixed it.

They told her it wasn't a problem.

And then they told her it was fixed.

And they didn't, you know, they may have fixed the HVAC somewhat. but they didn't remove the mold in her house.
So if you create, it's not enough to solve the problem.

You have to actually actually then remove the mold that was caused

so she died that's so unfortunate yeah a lot of people have brain fog they say that's related to mold right

and then the brain fog prevents you from seeing straight and making good decisions for your family or for yourself

so she

i think couldn't see

how sick she was. And she couldn't see.
I have a lot of military families too.

And they can't leave. Because they can't afford housing.
They can't afford it.

We have two huge military bases in Florida, one at MacDill and one in Key West.

And in both cases, you've got hundreds of families living in these houses.

And the houses are toxic. We know they're toxic.
And they're toxic for the same reasons.

We've got one neighborhood where there's no vapor barrier between

the ground and it's a beach.

These are beach houses. So there's no vapor barrier and there's mold growing on those floors.

You know what you do when you call and say there's mold growing in the floor?

They come and they send Serve Pro

and they clean out the vent

without addressing the actual mold.

They've known about this for at least a decade.

They haven't fixed the problem. Wow.

Entire neighborhood.

So, my intake director is this amazing woman, Casey McCurry,

and her son crawled on those floors. He had had a brain bleed

and he had a stroke.

He's now permanently disabled. Oh, my gosh.
His name's Cam.

Camden.

So we were there

a month ago now

and we're at the same house.

Not her exact house, but a house a few doors down. Same layout.

Same exact problem, mold and the floors.

And I'll send you a picture so you can post it because it's

atrocious.

They started pulling.

pulling back the floors. The dad got so mad pulling back the floors and you can just see black through the whole whole thing.
And every house is going to be like that if you just take it up.

Guess what his daughter's name is?

What? Camden. Wow.

So I call that case Camden's case.

Did you settle that one or is it still ongoing? It's ongoing. We have over 100 plaintiffs in that case.
And Camden's dad is standing up.

This is not going to happen on my watch, he says.

This is not going to happen

anymore.

That's MacDill Air Force Base.

Incred.

The last huge, you know, you saw what happened a few weeks ago.

Those actions were taken from there.

Really?

Do we want?

senior officers

in our military with brain fog?

No.

Do we want them living in that house with mold on the floor, tearing up the floors? That was at a time when

his own team was working 12-hour shifts. He couldn't even be there.
He was supposed to be one of the leaders. He couldn't be there because he was at home dealing with

moving out of this incredibly toxic house that Michaels is the privatized military company, refuses to recognize as toxic. Wow.

Refuses to do anything about it. Just let it go.
That is crazy.

Yeah, we want people in our military to be operating on the sharpest minds, not worrying about this, right? We can't be mission ready if our people are sick.

We don't want them to have brain damage, and we don't want their kids to have brain damage either.

And it's not, you know, this is not the sniffles. We're talking about developmental delays.

And we're talking about cognitive dysfunction and we're talking about rage

there's something called mold rage really and that comes from inflammation in the brain do we want the guy with the nuclear button to have mold rage

no

silent killer sounds like

there's so many people probably dealing with this that have no idea and they don't know because it's hidden Is there like a, you said you took a test, right?

Is that like pretty affordable for people watching this to do something like that? Yes. You can take that.
There are now some blood tests you can take.

We took urine tests, but there's urine and there's blood now.

What you want to look for is a mycotoxin test.

I need to take one of those ASOP. Mycotoxin test.

I'm sure insurance doesn't cover that one.

Insurance doesn't. Insurance doesn't cover it.

Insurance are not covering it.

They're working together, you know.

They really are. I mean,

they really are. I know some people will say we're conspiracy theorists, but you're seeing this firsthand with your own eyes.

I mean,

I've never been a conspiracy theorist, but these are just facts.

I couldn't believe it.

So the NIH has a two-pager.

that describes the health effects of mold and describes the cognitive impact and the mental health impact, and that it causes cancer.

I couldn't believe it. The Navy was giving out that two-pager in Key West at a town hall about housing.

So now we're all recognizing that this is what happens, which is extraordinary. I'm so glad.
But if you know

that

These conditions are causing cancer, brain damage, developmental delays, autism symptoms.

And we can talk about whether it causes autism or not. What we know is it certainly causes autism symptoms.
So

you've got very real medical impact.

And then you refuse to move people out of those houses and you refuse to actually address the problem. In Key West, the problem there is that there are ceilings falling down.

because they're saturated because of these hot roofs they have. So there's metal roofs.
They put in HVAC. That's growing condensation in the ceilings.
Condensation trips into the walls.

Ceilings literally falling down. And they have lead paint, asbestos, and mold.
Wow.

We have pictures of them falling on a crib.

So you've got ceilings falling down. Do you know what the Navy and

The company there, Balfour Beatty, did? What did they do? They came in and do you see these strips up here with plastic? Yeah.

They did that with wood, these wooden strips all across the ceiling to keep the wet ceiling in place.

Wow.

So, you know that mold festers in wet materials in 24 to 48 hours. So, you're allowing the mold to continue to fester in that ceiling.

They made an entire neighborhood. Yeah, so they made it worse, basically.

That is so crazy.

I'm just wondering what their mindset is.

They must know, right?

This is going on.

Yeah. I mean, people are complaining about being sick.
There's mold in every house, but they don't test. So this is a very, this is what the bad guys do.

And this is, this is, this is every big institution that is poisoning people.

If we don't run the the tests, we can say there's no indication it's not safe.

So Graystar doesn't use the word mold.

Well, if you don't use the word mold,

you don't ever hire a mold remediator, right?

Yeah.

Because then you don't have to ever address the real problem.

Imagine that.

Huge housing company in America, biggest landlord we have, right?

Hundreds of thousands of units in America.

Of course, there's going to be some leak. There's going to be some water damage.
Of course.

Well, if we know mold grows in 24 to 48 hours,

but as a policy, we've said as a company, we're never going to use the word.

What does that mean for housing in America?

You've got mold proliferating in all of those units because you don't want to use the word.

If you don't use the word, then you never need to hire an inspector.

If you never hire an inspector, then you never need a protocol to actually remediate it properly.

So we're just letting it proliferate.

And that's in these military bases. I mean, I had the really sad thing was the last time I went down there, there's a woman with cancer.

And instead of, you know, she complained about she thinks that there's mold there, she's seen mold.

They send a moisture inspector,

not a mold inspector. And the moisture inspector tells her it's fine.

Well, our inspector goes in and finds the mold in the first five minutes, just opens the HVAC, there it is.

They just didn't look for it. They didn't want to know.
Because if they don't want to know, if we don't know, we don't have to address it. Wow.

So this is a woman with cancer who, you know, is supposed to go out into the world and bubble wrap. She wouldn't even be here with you, right? Because she's not supposed to be close to people.

And

now we've put this pathogen in her home and worse told her it's not there.

That's going to accelerate the growth of the cancer.

It can't not.

It's terrible.

So do you want to see regulation or do you want to just have more accountability from these companies? What do you think an ideal change would be?

There are people that are working on the policy side

and I'm thankful for them.

I think there's a lot that needs to happen. The CDC and the EPA need to catch up with the NIH so that their research is all the same, right?

CDC and EPA still kind of have this, oh, it causes allergies approach as opposed to, no, this causes brain damage, which is what the NIH recognizes.

So there's policy change that needs to happen, especially with these military families. I mean,

for example, there's something called the federal enclave doctrine. So these companies are trying to get out of liability by saying that

because it's a federal enclave, the local rules don't apply. So we're trying to do policy change on that because the same rules should apply whether you're on a base or not.

You don't get to avoid the law because you happen to be on a military base. military families should not be protected less than other Americans and neighborhoods.

So there's good policy change, but I believe in the justice system and I believe in the American juries.

The justice system is entrusted with enforcing the safety rules. And it's about two things: compensation for people who have been affected by the negligence of somebody else,

but also deterrence.

And And in America, we have a jury system for civil cases.

In Europe, when our founders came here, in Europe, they had juries for criminal cases. But here we said, no, we're going to do it for civil cases because we want to entrust the people

with enforcing these rules, with enforcing the safety rules. So

I love that system and I believe in it. And I believe that

the American juries, the people,

really care about enforcing the rules.

And I think if we can get these big cases in front of them, especially the military cases, it's going to change. It's going to change the incentives.

I know that our Red Hill case in Hawaii, I know that that has changed the incentives.

Now,

I think next time the Navy has a spell,

they're going to think twice

before they

fail to warn the people around.

Because

this case brought accountability and it brought truth.

And it ultimately is making the United States government pay for what it did.

And that is what the law is for.

It's like speeding in a school zone. Have you ever sped in a school zone? I unfortunately have, yes.
Okay. You got a bigger ticket, right? I didn't get caught, but yeah.
Okay, well, got a ticket.

I was taking my kid to therapy. Yeah.

It was the morning, and

I got a ticket. Right.

And the ticket was a lot, way more than a normal ticket.

Well, guess what? I don't do anymore.

I don't speed through the school zone, right? Every time I see a school sign now,

I dutifully slow down. And every time, every morning when I go to therapy, with that, with that particular kid, I slow down when I get to that zone.
And that's that's what the system is, right?

That's what the law is for. It changes the incentives, it makes you think twice.
And these big companies need to think twice before they poison our families.

I love that. You're fighting a big mission.
I really appreciate what you're doing. It's important.
How can people watching this support you?

Cheer us on.

We're at well.law, and Instagram is just well law. So cheer us on.
But also, if this is happening to you,

bring the claims.

Because it's not greedy to bring claims. It's brave.

Take a stand. Unite with the people around you.

You're going to find strange friendships develop when you're united against a common good. or a common cause.

And do that because it matters. It really matters.
Look at what thousands of people did with Kellogg's, right? Hundreds of thousands of people went to Kellogg's and said, you have to change.

You have to change your products because you're poisoning American families. In that case, it's Food Dye.

But hundreds of thousands of people did that. And then that got policy makers' attention.
And then the Texas Attorney General in that case took a stand against Kellogg and investigated.

So you have, I think what we're seeing in America right now is this movement

driven first by the families that are being poisoned,

but then also getting policy involved and getting litigators involved and using a mix of carrots and sticks to change the incentives.

So, if this is happening to you, take a stand. You deserve it.

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