The Science Behind Wasabi Method: Heal Smarter, Not Harder | Adam Gavine DSH #1321

started getting them to exercise or like say doing push-ups.

If they started doing push-ups every day, would they get stronger?

Yeah.

Does it matter that they're 90?

No.

No. Your physiology will respond as long as your heart's still beating.
You got a pulse. The physiology still responds.
Maybe not as quickly as when you were 20, but it's still there. all right guys guys.
Dr. Adam Gavin here today in Las Vegas from Australia.
Yeah, thanks. Let's go.
Down under. Yep.
Long flight, man. Now I'm up above, I guess.
Yeah, long flight. So appreciate you coming out.
Yeah, not a problem. I'm glad to be here.
Yeah, what's been the latest for you? You just adjusted me and I feel amazing. Yeah, yeah.
Well, we just things, uh, when you sat down that your posture kind of wasn't ideal. You've been working most of the day.
So, um, with a bit of slouching and sitting and stuff like that, you just are, a body adapts to these postures. And then I just need to kind of reset you to get everything right again.
You can do a lot of exercises and stuff to help with that. So that's what I recommend to patients, clients and stuff.
So if they're at the desk all day, we call them taking like micro breaks. So just doing little things to help reset the musculoskeletal system so that you don't end up like this at the end of the day.
They say every hour you're sitting, you should do like a little five-minute walk around. Yeah, it doesn't take much.
Yeah, that's my problem because I get glued to my screen. Yeah.
Then four hours goes by, and next thing you know, my back's in pain. Yeah, exactly.
And then you have to pay someone like me to sort you out. Yeah, or a chiropractor, right? Yeah, well, I'm a chiropractor.
That's how you started. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and you kind of developed shockwave therapy from there, right? Yeah, yeah. Can you explain what that is? Yeah.
So my company, Wasabi Method, we sell a device. It's part of, so I'll have to define a couple of things first.
So we have shockwave therapy, which are basically acoustic sound waves. And we use them to treat musculoskeletal problems.
Actually, the original treatment was for breaking up kidney stones. It's called lithotripsy.
And so there's kind of three different levels of shockwave therapy. So there's like high energy, which is like the lithotripsy, and you have to be put under a general anesthetic to get that because there's no way you could tolerate that amount of pain.
So when the energy is high, it breaks down things. But when you use medium or low energy sound waves, they cause tissues to heal and repair.
And so that's what we use. We call ours a radial pressure wave, which is just a bit lower than a shock wave by definition because shock waves have a specific kind of definite.
It has to be faster than the speed of sound. It has to meet a pressure gradient of 100 millipascals of pressure.
So my device doesn't get to that level, but it still gets in this therapeutic window that causes the physiological changes in the body. So that's really what matters.
Yeah. And I've used that device.
It's amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. You've had it.
Had it twice. I will say it hurts, but afterwards I feel amazing.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so with, with the pain, if we're going to talk, talk about the pain, it's, it should be tolerable and we can, we can set the settings so that it can be obviously higher or lower. So I always checking in with patients to see what you can tolerate i don't usually like to exceed about a seven out of ten on someone's pain scale yeah yeah yeah that makes sense i think for me i'm optimistic so yeah i just want to fix my problems and deal with it yeah but it works man yeah and the cool thing is it's almost instantaneous like it's not like the next day you'll feel better.
It's like when people hop off the table, they're like, holy crap. That really made a difference.
Yeah. No, because I was coming off, I think, a muscle sprain.
And then I ran into you guys at A4M. Yeah.
And I just felt way better after. Yeah.
Yeah. We have you on our Instagram talking about your experience.
Yeah. I think it was in my left shoulder.
I like sprained it the week before you guys did whatever you do and it stopped hurting the next day. Yeah.
Awesome. And did it last? Yeah.
Lasted. And I was trying all sorts of weird stuff.
I think when I came to you guys, I had a patch on like a nicotine patch or something. Yeah.
Yeah. I remember, I remember the video we had and you're just smiling going, holy crap.
No, I couldn't believe it. And I think I grew an inch too.
Yeah. yeah.
Well, we had that today too when we worked on you. You're like, oh my God.
Like everyone was saying, you look taller. I'm sure when you guys first met Dave Asprey, similar experience with him.
Yeah, well, do you want me to go through the history? That'd be a cool story. So Dave is a co-founder with me on Wasabi Method.
And I used to be part of his online group, the, the upgrade collective and living in Australia, it was, it was painful because he would do the zoom calls at three in the morning for me. So I'd have to get up at, you know, just before three and I'd be super tired on a weekday.
And some people sleep. Yeah, exactly.
I wouldn't go every week. Cause Some weeks'm like, no, I can't, I can't be smashed tomorrow.
Um, but I would get up and, and listen to the podcast. And then one day they were talking about shockwave and I put up my hand and said, you know, I work for one of the biggest shockwave companies in the world and I'm one of their lead instructors.
So they would send me all around the world to teach doctors and practitioners how to use this device. So I've been to China.
I've been to Indonesia. I've been to Korea.
I've been to Malaysia. And I've taught throughout Australia for the past, I worked for them for about 14 years.
So I learned a ton about this device. And so with Dave, he was interested because the company I was working with was just getting FDA approval for their radial shockwave device here in the States because before, about six years ago, they can only use shockwave on plantar fascia problems.
I think it was tennis

elbow. So you'd had this $25,000 device that you could only use for two conditions.
So a lot of

the practitioners are like, well, I'm not going to spend that kind of money. Like unless you had

a con and like a practice that that's all you were doing, which is pretty rare. Um, so it was

really restrictive. So they, they found basically a way around it.
So now it's a class one device

Let's go. like a practice that that's all you were doing, which is pretty rare.
So it was really restrictive. So they found basically a way around it.
So now it's a class one device. So it's kind of considered almost like a massage device.
So I told him that they have a new device and it's going to have FDA approval and we can sell it to anyone. Whereas the devices before you had to be a practitioner.
So this new device, because it's a class one, we could sell to anyone. So that was the really cool thing about it.
So he was really excited about that. We came up with like a business plan for this company.
I told them, you know, we were going to be selling probably about $2 million worth. And we had a few meetings with them.
And I wasn't hearing back from them. I'm like, that's kind of weird.
You know, you think like Dave Asprey is a big deal. So finally, they got back to me and they're like, yeah, we don't want to partner with you guys.
And I'm going, you don't want $2 million extra revenue a year?

Like you don't have to do anything.

I'm going to do all the work.

And I remember what the top guy said. He goes, I can't remember if I've told Dave this,

but he'll find out now.

They go, we don't want to be associated with a volatile influencer. So he was too much of a rebel for them.
Dave was? Yeah. Wow.
So it wasn't me because I'm like, I've worked for you for 14 years. You're happy to send me around the world to teach the smartest people around about your device, but you don't want to partner with me when I'm going to sell your device.
And it was, it was because of Dave. So I was like, okay.
So we went to their competitor, the next biggest company. And they were like, oh yeah, you guys sound, sound legit.
You know, we would like to do this, but you have no sales, like no sales experience. So we can't make you a distributor because you have no sales experience.
And we're like, well, how about you trial us for like six months? We get some sale experience and then we go, we move from there. And they're like, no, can't be done.
And I was like, oh shit. So, so then I'm, I don't know what to do now.
Cause, cause basically the two biggest companies in the world that I wanted to be with are saying no to us. So one of my friends, Raheel, told me about this other company.
And we approached them. And he was like, hell yeah, I'll partner up with you.
And so we partnered up with them. And the rest is history.
But it's worked out so much better. Wow.
Because we have autonomy now. We can do what we want.
Like we pick the colors, we pick the name. And that's, you know, I think that the name wasabi is pretty catchy.
Not too many people forget our name when we're at conferences. Yeah.
What was the origin story with the name? Is it because wasabi is such a powerful substance? Yeah, well, it was Dave. Dave came up

with it. And I remember at the time when he mentioned it to me, I think we were going to

call it like American Shockwave or something, something pretty standard. And he came up with

this. And I remember going, oh my God, I don't like that.
And I sat with it. He studied at

Wharton. So in my head, I'm going, I have to trust this guy.
You know, he's got eight or nine successful businesses. He went to Wharton.
He knows what he's doing, you know? So I was like, okay, let's do it. And I'm so glad that we did.
It's a good name, man. Yeah.
Cause everybody, everybody likes it, but I kind of, we're looking for a tagline, but usually what we say, it's spicy, but it's good.

Like wasabi.

Yeah.

You get the spice from it, but it's enjoyable. I love it.
Yeah. And the service is so good that I feel like you don't have to do much marketing.
No, it's... Your customers will just tell other people.
Yeah, yeah. Because when you experience it at one of our booths or if you go to one of our practitioners that use our device, it's, I don't have to tell you.
I just have to show you. Once you experience it like you have, you get it.
I don't have to sit there and talk to you. You're like, I get it.
It'd be too hard to explain. Yes, it's almost ineffable.
Yeah, it's better just to start doing it on someone because you won't be able to tell them. Yeah.
Because some people are just like, they're like, tell me what it does, how it works. I'm like, do you really want me to go into all the physics and physiology or do you want me to just do it and then you'll experience it? And they're like, okay, just do it.
And then they always leave smiling. Yeah, absolutely.
There are a lot of benefits to it though, right? Yeah.

Other than pain.

Oh, yeah.

So in terms of physiology, it has about 19 physiological effects on the body. And some of them are really fascinating.
When I went on Dave's podcast last year, I talked a lot about all the physiological changes that occur. And what I did when, after we posted the podcast, is I put peer-reviewed journals that validated everything I had, because I knew people would be writing in and go, bullshit, whatever.
And I was like, okay. So everything I said, I had studies.
And we can probably do the same here, because I know people will probably do the same thing. We'll link it in the video, yeah.
Yeah, so I'm all about the research because I'm actually doing my master's of research at the University of Sydney in Australia.

So I'm all about the research.

Like I read studies almost daily.

And yeah, I'm happy to share them.

Because I want people not to just take me at my word.

I'm like, yeah, I want you to fact check me. Because maybe I missed something or maybe I misinterpreted something or maybe I didn't use the proper terms to describe it.
And I apologize if I do that. But like anyone, I'm not infallible.
And we're always learning and growing. No, that's respect because a lot of the biohacking space, I love the biohhacking space but a lot of it doesn't have the research yet yeah some of the modalities yeah and instead of admitting that they almost try and cover it up they're like oh well there was one study that showed this and it's like yeah that's like the cool thing with this because it's been around for like 35 years there's loads and loads of peer-reviewed journals.

And you can access it.

You just go on, you can do a Google Scholar search or a PubMed search, and you can find

how it works on so many things.

So going back to your original question, one of the really cool things that it does is

it causes angiogenesis.

And what that is, it's the new formation of blood vessels.

So it releases, it causes the body to release a growth factor called VEGF, which stands for vascular endothelial growth factor.

When you release that in the body, it tells the body on the spot you worked on.

So say I worked on your elbow.

It tells your body to grow new blood vessels in that area.

And that's a permanent change. Wow.
So once your body grows these new capillaries and stuff, that's there forever, right? Yeah. So a lot of musculoskeletal problems that people have, a lot of it's due to hypoxia, which is lack of oxygen, which is due to lack of blood flow.
So if we're changing the blood flow in your elbow, that's going to continue to be a thing for you for essentially the rest of your life.

That's important because as you get older, you have blood flow issues, right?

Yes.

It takes longer to recover from injuries. Yeah, a lot of people do.
and Dave always tells me to remind people,

it's even if you don't have a problem per se,

like you don't have pain or dysfunction that you're aware of,

you're still going to have areas of your body that aren't getting adequate blood flow, or at least maybe not as good as it was when you were younger. Yeah.
Because when we're young, we heal so well. Like I tell some of my patients, like if they bring their kids that are under 14 or whatever, I'm like your kid will heal twice as fast as you will with the same injury.
Right. You know, it's incredible.
You watch these kids and they just, and we're all kind of designed to heal that way. Yeah.
But as we age, blood flow becomes a bit of a problem to some of these areas. Also, we have, we keep building up toxins.
We were talking earlier about all the toxins and everything nowadays.

So every trip around the sun, as we get older, you accumulate more and more and more.

And then that affects our systems, our detox systems.

And then our bodies, instead of just being able to heal the injury you have,

is also fighting all these battles on different fronts.

So it's fighting off all these toxins. It's fighting off all these viruses and bacteria and parasites and all this stuff and then it also has to fix your elbow so it has to allocate resources to all these things yeah but if you were super healthy and you didn't have all these toxins in your body and you're you weren't exposed to all these diseases and bacteria and viruses and stuff,

your body would be able to allocate a lot more resources and time to healing your elbow,

and it would get much better, much faster.

Yeah, because you see certain athletes have the same injury, but some recover way quicker.

Yes.

Yeah.

It's all about recovery nowadays.

Yeah.

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So think of them almost like repairmen in your body. So a lot of people are like, Oh, you break up scar tissue with, with the radio waves or shock waves.
It's not really what's happening. It's more that I'm stimulating the body to create more of these repairmen, the fibroblasts, and then the fibroblasts clean up the mess.
Yeah. So imagine me telling your body, make more carpenters and plumbers and electricians come in here and renovate this area.
Yeah. And the cool thing with that as well is it doesn't just work on the day I treat you.
It works the next day, the day after, a week later, a month later, which is really cool because they showed one study that they did one treatment and they had physiological changes that were measurable up to three months later. Damn.
So it's like when you put fertilizer on your lawn. Yeah.
It doesn't work just that day. It works the next day and the next month kind of thing.
So this lasts for three months? Yeah, one treatment. Holy crap.
So when you put um fertilizer on your lawn yeah you know it doesn't work just that day it works the next day in the next month kind of thing so this lasts for three months yeah one treatment holy so when you're you're adding it's an additive effect so it's not just today when you get treated in two days time it's keeps it's accumulating that's impressive yeah yeah a lot of athletes and just ordinary people could definitely benefit from doing this once every three months, I'd imagine. Yeah, yeah.
Just even like what we were saying, you don't need to have pain or a condition. It's preventative.
Like most people, I say, especially men, I get all these men, they're like, oh, if it ain't broken kind of thing, don't fix it. Yeah.
And I'm like, do you take your car to the mechanic? And they're like,

yeah. I'm like, why do you do that? Is your car broken when you do that? And they're like, no, I do it.
So my car doesn't break down on the way to work. And I'm like, okay, so you do that with your car.
Why wouldn't you do that with your body? Yeah. Okay.
At least with a car, like if a car breaks down, you can actually buy a new one. You can't buy a new body.
Right. So you really got to take care of the one that you have.

And even the cool thing is

we're made up of living tissues. And so I can make the next level of tissues or the next generation of tissues in your body healthier, stronger, more resilient than the previous one.
Wow. Even if you're 90 years old.
Really? Right? Well, think of it. If I took a 90-year-old who wasn't exercising at all and I started getting them to exercise, or like, say, doing push-ups, if they started doing push-ups every day, would they get stronger? Yeah.
Does it matter that they're 90? No. No.
Your physiology will respond. As long as your heart's still beating and you've got a pulse, the physiology still responds.
Maybe not as quickly as when you were 20, but it's still there. And so a lot of people, they almost give up on themselves.
They're like, oh, I'm broken. I'm too damaged.
I've had too many injuries. I have too many illnesses.
I'm like, you can always improve on things. You don't have to be stuck with pain and dysfunction and, and a shitty life because you can't do what you, what you want to do.
You can always go better. But the key is having someone guide you that knows how the systems work.
Like, like myself, a lot of patients, they'll go and want to exercise and they go too hard. They're like, go from being couch potatoes to like, I'm going to work out five days a week.
That doesn't work. Your body can't adapt that quickly and you will end up with an overuse injury.
So it helps to have, find someone that, you know, knows their stuff and work with them. And then they'll design a program that will do the steps.
You know, you got to walk and then you can run and then you can sprint. You can't just go straight into sprinting because you're going to end up with problems.
Oh, yeah. New Year's at the gym.
Yeah. You see a lot of people that- I get tons of patients.
Yeah. They all come in, oh, I went too hard at the gym or I went too often.

And then they can't go the next week because they went too hard the first week.

Yeah, it's a mental game too, man.

I notice when I lift with friends, it's way easier than by myself.

Why do you think that is?

I think it's easy to make excuses when you're by yourself, dude.

You have no one to hold you accountable, you know?

Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

But do you find it's also kind of the camaraderie thing, you know, like when you're suffering with others, it's not so bad. Like a bond.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, that too. Plus I'm competitive.
Oh yeah. So if I'm lifting with someone, I'm, I try to match them or do better, you know? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It makes it, makes it fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Absolutely, man.
Well, what's next for you guys? You get, you're going Dave's event next month? Yeah, so we have the biohacking conference coming up at the end of May. We have a big double booth there this year.
Nice. So we're going to be offering free treatments.
If people want to come and try Wasabi Method out, we'll explain it. There's a few contraindications, so you have to make sure that you don't have any contraindications.
Some of them are like pregnancy. If you're under 18 years old, if you're on blood thinners, or if you have like hemophilia, which is basically a blood clotting problem, things like DVTs, if you've had a cortisone injection, but even with that, like, say you had the left shoulder done, I could still work on the right shoulder

or anywhere else.

And then with that,

after six weeks,

I can work on that area.

Other things like if you have a tumor,

so say you had a thyroid tumor.

Yeah.

I can work on other spots.

Like I can work on your foot.

Got it.

As long as I'm...

Because with some of the physiology,

it increases these growth factors.

So if I went on your tumor, I don't want to make it grow more. Oh, my gosh.
Okay. So that's why it's contraindicated.
But I can still work on other bits. That's cool.
Yeah, as long as you don't have any of those contraindications, it's fine. It's super safe.
Yeah. As I said, when I go through these studies, it's one of the safest things out there.
Like I do seminars and stuff, and there's one study that I bring up, and it was a meta-analysis, which is a form of a systematic review. So it looks at randomized controlled trials.
So this one particularly was on the knee, looking at knee osteoarthritis. It had included 19 randomized control trials and almost 2000 patients.
And there was zero side effects. Damn, which is unheard of.
Like I asked at a talk I gave the other day, I said, have you ever seen a medical study with almost 2000 patients where there was there was zero side effects. And everyone's like,

no, it's unheard of. Like I almost expect people to get up and like do a standing ovation when I say that, because I'm like, is no one like getting this? Medical study and side effect.

Yeah. Yeah.
Like the worst thing usually that occurs is you might be a little red,

you might be a little sore and might have a little inflammation. Those are really it.
And

then that tends to go away in 24, 48 hours for most people. That's crazy.
Yeah. The benefit

Thank you. you might be a little sore and might have a little inflammation those are really it and then that tends to go away in 24 48 hours for most people that's crazy yeah the benefits just seem to outweigh the risk tremendously oh yeah it's not it's not even close yeah it's not even close and i'm all about that that's why i usually don't take pills because yeah usually it's the opposite like the risk outweighs the benefit yeah yeah and then there's the cost as well you know that nothing's for free and same with my device.
It's not free, but compared to a lot of other treatments, it's really cost effective. I bet.
These days, man, when I go to the spot, I get a massage now, it's like 150 bucks. Yeah.
And that's just them raising their hands. Yeah.
No, it's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. Inflation.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Where can people get this? Is it in almost every state at this point? Yeah, so you can get it anywhere in the United States. We will ship it directly to you.
And again, one of the things I didn't mention was the reason we call it Wasabi Method is because there's a whole method behind it. A lot of our competitors, they'll just sell you the device.
Like when I got my device, I had a salesperson show me how to use it. So he had no steeping in biomechanics, physiology, pathology, anatomy.
He was like, this is how you turn it on. This is how you use it.
This is how you clean it. This is how you turn it off.
He was like, good luck. And again, this was one of the biggest companies in the world.
Wow. And they've been doing this for, even when I got it 16 years ago, they've been doing it since the early 90s.
You know, and so I, you know, I kept thinking this should be done better. You know, it should be someone with knowledge that's used it, that has knowledge of anatomy, biomechanics, physiology, pathology, all these things.
And so that's what I've done. So I've developed education modules that we sell with our device that pretty much none of the other competitors do.
So we have, so I've done upper body. So I go through all the muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints in the upper body.
Well, pretty much most of them. Um, and then we do lower body and then we have a men's sexual health module.
We have a women's sexual health module and then we have advanced techniques. So that's like, you can actually treat things like, um, wounds.
So if someone has like a diabetic ulcer or a pressure wound from lying in bed for too long, you can treat that. There are certain protocols you have to follow to treat that.
You can treat burn victims. So it really helps with the skin after they've been burnt.
Things like cellulite helps with cellulite. It helps with, because like I said, it helps with collagen.
So you can actually treat like your face to help with skin, stuff like that. What else am I missing? Lymphedema, which is a condition where the lymphatic system doesn't work very well and people's legs really swell up and it's really difficult to treat.
So So with this different from, so the main way of treating that is they put like these, you know, those compression boots that they put on people and you lie down, you pull up these long things. Yeah.
Yeah. The sleeves, right? Yeah.
Like balancer pro. Yeah.
So that's one of the main ways of treating it. But again, with ours, we're, all these growth factors.
So I'm telling your body to make new veins and new lymphatics. So the ones that are broken are not functioning.
Your body will grow new ones to bypass it. And then that'll start working.
So it's really cool when you're like, because instead of, you're, you're, instead of just treating the symptom, you're, you're essentially treating cause. I'm, I'm making your physiology, I'm changing your physiology in a permanent way to make it work better.
So you don't have to go and get the compression boots, you know, or you might not have to go as often. Yeah.
That's impressive. You could tell the body to create more veins basically.
Yeah. Yeah veins, basically.
Yeah. Yeah, it's called neovascularization.

That is crazy.

I'll link some studies that show that.

Wow.

Which area of the body are you seeing the most issues in with your patients?

Well, I predominantly treat musculoskeletal stuff.

So tendons is the big one.

So in terms of the literature for tendons,

it has about an 80% to 85% success rate on most tendons. And I'll put up some studies for this.
But that's huge because tendon problems are notoriously bad at getting better or they come back often. So people that have like tennis elbow, even if their pain goes away, it often comes back in the vast majority of cases.
Again, that's because they're not necessarily fixing the problem. They're treating the symptoms, but they're not changing the blood flow.
They're not changing the physiology in the area. So that's what we're trying to do so that you get a lasting effect.
lasting effect. That's the one, uh, MLB pitchers have, right? Tennis elbow.
Um, yeah, well, it's, it's a common

when they get a lot of shoulder issues. So they get, they get, um, a lot of rotator cuff issues.

So that's, that's the common one they get. Yeah.
A lot of wear and tear when you're pitching that

fast. Yeah.
A hundred games a year. Yeah.
Yeah. And the cool thing is like they can get this done

straight after and it's going to, the other cool thing I didn't mention was that it decreases

is Yeah. 100 games a year.
Yeah, yeah. And the cool thing is, like, they can get this done straight after.
And it's going to, the other cool thing I didn't mention was that it decreases inflammation. Really? Yeah.
Wow. So when I treat an area, it causes, it stimulates the nociceptors, which are pain-sensitive nerve endings in the area.
They release this chemical called substance P. That is a pain-sensitive chemical in your body.

And the way it works, you ever eat really spicy food and your mouth kind of burns,

and then it kind of goes numb after a while?

So the capsatum is releasing this substance P.

And that causes a decrease in what's called

neurogenic inflammation.

So it has a direct effect on this inflammatory pathway.

So it down-regulates that.

Thank you. a decrease in what's called neurogenic inflammation.
So it has a direct effect on this inflammatory pathway. So it down regulates that.
And the other cool thing is you can use it with other modalities, things like, say, laser or photobiomodulation. It works on the COX-2 pathway, which is a different inflammatory pathway.
So you're hitting it you're hitting it from two angles and you get a really, really awesome synergistic effect. So we tell people, we don't sit there and go, oh, you, if you buy my device, it's the only thing you need.
It will fix everything. I don't have that approach at all.
Cause in my clinic, I use a bunch of modalities. Oh really? Yeah.
So like I, I'm a chiropractor, so I'll do, uh, I'll do manipulations or mobilizations. I do some myofascial work.
I'll do some, what's called instrument assisted soft tissue. It's like those blades that you see them working on people.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
So things like that. Um, I do kinesio tape, you know, um, shockwave obviously.
so all these things, I'm hitting it from multiple angles to get the body to respond. It's just, think of it as more of a, there's signals I'm putting into the body.
The more signals I'm putting into the body, the more the body kind of responds. Yeah.
If it's the appropriate one. So that's where you got to know what works and what doesn't work.
And everyone's a little bit different. Like some people will respond really well to Wasabi method.
And some people, it only make a little difference. Really? Yeah.
But everyone's, it's a spectrum, right? So it's like, where are you on the spectrum? Yeah. I think I'm really well for me.
Yeah. Yeah.
yeah yeah some people if they'll respond really well but also it it's more about how healthy you are too you know if you're a you know if you take care of yourself um you'll get a better result because you're bought the physiology just responds that makes sense yeah dr adam it's been a pleasure um where can people find wasabi method and learn more about you as well so we're um quite good with instagram so we're at wasabi method so wasabi underscore method and um we have a website wasabi method.com so if anyone wants to contact us through there or just want to learn more about our device or we'll get back to you. You can email us at info at wasabimethod.com.

And yeah, I welcome any questions or concerns or comments that people have.

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