Inside the World of Crime Scene Cleaning | Matt Montague DSH #1357

is where somebody who has drank most of their life gets varicose veins on their esophagus.

And eventually these varicose veins, depending on your heartburn or what you eat, will burst. And there's nothing you can do.
You're going to bleed out. And every single time we do this, there's bloody handprints on the bathroom sink like this.

All right, guys.

Got an interesting one for you guys today.

Crime Scene Cleaner.

Matt, thanks for coming on today, Matt.

No problem, no problem.

Yeah, so the largest

crime scene company

in Cali, Vegas, and Arizona, right?

Yeah, number one in California,

number one in Vegas,

number one in Arizona,

and I think like number four

in Texas.

Damn, that's impressive that you're able to do that many markets at the same time. Yeah, yeah.
Because obviously you're stuck in one location, right? Yeah, mostly the California, but we do fly and go to other spots to get them going. They're not franchised, they're just ours.
How long did it take to build this thing up? Man, 2010, I believe we started. Okay.
So it's been a while. 15 years.
Did it take off right away? No, no. You know, I mean, I kind of faked it till I made it, you know? I think everybody does that and you do your first one and you bill it and you, you think, oh man, this is, there's no way this is going to happen or this.
And then, you know, you get your first one and then your second one comes and then it's always, man, I hope to do one a month. And then it goes from, man, I hope to do one every other week.
And then it just, now it's every day something is happening. Damn, do you have one a day right now? That's about average.
Holy crap. But remember, there's more than just a homicide or a suicide.
There's people that die natural causes, people that die of natural causes in public areas, right? Homeless encampments. There's stillborn where there could be just blood everywhere.
There's car accidents. I mean, there's just so many things that can happen.
yeah when i say i clean homicides and suicides everybody thinks oh but they forget about the the natural deaths that happened too or the decomps that happen you know uh where there's an older person who doesn't have family member that checks on them or they don't check on them as much as they should check on them and then uh next thing you know they've been deceased for two weeks and there's a smell coming out. And the neighbors are like, what's that smell? Why are there flies everywhere? What's the oldest body you've seen decomposed? Probably a couple months.
Damn. And it depends on what is the heat indexed what you know is it hot outside cool outside you know ones that are buried usually they tend to stay more ground is moist and cold and and so it it keeps you know preserves the body but you know if you're in in heat i mean it can start to liquefy within hours wow so it starts to really really be bad.
In the summertime, especially out here in Vegas. Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God. That's when you get the maggots.
The heat, yeah. The heat and the maggots are just the flies.
Yeah, it's bad. Did that freak you out the first time you saw those maggots? Yeah.
You never get used to the maggots. Either you can see it, it but you can't smell it or you can smell it and can't see it that's usually the trade-off right i can see it no problem i can eat there i don't have any issues but the smell for me it it still to this day sometimes it'll gag me wow it's not making me throw up oh.
I've never smelled maggots before. It's so bad.
It's like, yeah, it's like garbage truck juice. Like it's like, it's bad.
That's nasty. Yeah.
And when does the body start getting those on average? You know, like I said, it depends on the heat index. It depends on how long have they been gone.
It depends on what was going on in their body. Are they sick? Do they do they have any type of, um, other illness going on cancer such, um, were they diabetic? Did they drink? You know, uh, there's a sweet smell to a diabetic that has been in like, um, uh, ketoacidosis, for example, uh, going to diabetic coma, uh, that smell is a sweet cause her blood sugar is just through the roof.
So the smell of that and then you mix that with death and it's almost like a sweet, like a sweet, it's bad. Jeez.
It's fucking pretty bad. This line of work must really desensitize you, right? I mean, to a point, I think we have an average of maybe seven years that people work for us.
And then it gets to the point where they're like, okay, enough's enough. They need to move on, right? Because, you know, PTSD starts to come in because all you- The tri-light from Therisage is no joke.
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You see his death. It's not like we see a good story.
A good story for us is one person lived and just a few other died, right? Or one died and few other lived, but there's always going to be a death with us. It's very rare that we do get these suicides where somebody will shoot themselves under the neck and blow the front of their face off and they'll live.
But for not for long, I mean, eventually that just adds to the problems for them. And then they, they end up killing themselves in another way.
Jeez. Yeah.
I'm sure you've seen some really gruesome scenes. Really gruesome.
Man. What's the one that freaked you out the most i think that's um i mean there's so many but i think one of the ones that we ever did was we were training in texas um and um this guy had been up on methamphetamines for a long time and i and he cut his mother from her neck down to the top of her vagina oh my god and then took um like tree cutters and cut her rib cage open and then was eating her liver while he masturbated what yeah that's insane yeah yeah oh my god and then so they arrest him he had been high on meth so long that he just didn't know what he was doing.
And so a couple of days go by and he detoxes and, and, and he keeps asking for his mother. Hey, where's my mom? Let me get a phone call.
I want to get bailed out. And, um, um, apparently from what I hear, he found out what he did through another inmate or something and he hung himself damn killed himself yeah he couldn't live with it yeah i mean you know who who does that to their mother right no matter what kind of relationship you have eating her fucking liver while you masturbate is pretty savage dude that's insane pretty savage man wow yeah you probably got people quitting when they see something like.
I mean, it's not for the faint of heart. That's for sure.
That's for sure. But we have women actually make better technicians than men because they can handle more of the gruesome and the nonsense.
Really? Yeah. Oh, I would have assumed the opposite.
No, no, no, no. I mean, women are nurturers.
This is what they do. They're mothers.
They can clean shit and throw up, right? Where we're like, you know, anytime that there's anything like that. So no, they make the best.
They do. They make the best.
Wow, that's interesting. And every time I get a application or somebody who talks to me on my podcast or whatever about it usually the women are 90 more interested than the men yeah really yeah you know they like all that crime novel and oh they love that stuff the true crime yeah yeah flows through their veins i'm not into it as much i mean ever thought about how much emf and radiation your body is exposed to every single day from smartphones smartphones to Wi-Fi, modern technology never stops emitting invisible stressors that could disrupt brain function, hormone balance, and cellular health.
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Yeah. The death is just so, yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy. Have you ever had a clean up after a serial killer spree or something?

Um, yes.

Multiple times, multiple times.

Yeah.

There's, um, yeah, there was a guy that was cutting people up from what we understand.

He was cutting them up and serving them in like a taco cart.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

That's insane. That was in Cali? Yeah.
Parked on side of the road and serving these up. And people were getting sick and going to the hospital and just fucking throwing up.
Holy crap. And they test the meat and it's human meat.
And they're like, you know, and it's multiple people, not just one. And it's all in one area and then apparently he goes to another area.
And so they've labeled him definitely a serial killer. That's insane.
Just nuts. Which you only hear 12% of really what happens in your area anywhere.
Even Vegas or Los Angeles or, you know, they're not telling you everything. Not even close.
No, no. Because there'd be fucking pandemonium with everybody.
Be like, what didn't know this i didn't you know how many times somebody will tell me i didn't know that i'm i didn't know this yeah man it's like it's there or they'll put it out as very minute at the bottom of the page type you know right like out of sight out of mind yeah they'll hide it when i was in college there was a few deaths and yeah they hit they hid them pretty much a lot of suicides or ods yeah some adderall stuff some drug over ods yeah but they they hit it yeah drug ods are are real stinky too really yeah so i don't know if it's the body trying to push out the whatever it has taken in, you know, but yeah, it's. Are you in a hazmat suit when you show up? Oh, yeah.

We're. trying to push out the whatever it has taken in you know um but yeah it's uh are you in a hazmat suit when you show up oh yeah we're in a full tyvek suit respirator depending on depending on what what scene it is you know sometimes we'll have a self-contained breathing apparatus like like like a scuba tank almost comes in sometimes we'll have people call them gas masks but they'll have cartridges on sometimes we'll have a disposable it just depends on what is happening yeah that's insane man it's gnarly yeah but it's needed because if no one was doing this uh you know yeah so so i the phone calls that i get that aren't from an agency would be like, hey man, the coroner's left, the police left, the fireman left, and there's a pile of blood or brains or teeth or fingernails or whatever, and they just said, yeah, we'll see you later i mean that that's really

happens it happens every scene police police and firemen are there for an emergency emergency's done body's gone everybody's out they're not there to be a molly maid service they're not there to clean it up all right they just got to remove the body just remove it and whatever is smaller than two fists is left.

So like I said, fingers, eyeballs, teeth,

blood,

um... the body just remove it and whatever is smaller than two fists is left so like i said fingers eyeballs teeth uh blood um guts uh intestines all that is left so you can't just pick it up and throw it away because there's airborne pathogens there's blood-borne pathogens there's all kinds you don't know what this person died of there's so much things that you can get sick sick from, but they leave it.
So then we have to come in and we build a homeowner's insurance, which covers it. Usually 90% of our work is insurance work.
Wow. So if you pass away in your house, the homeowner's insurance has to cover that? Correct.
Yep. It's built into policy it's it'd be like a flood or like um like if your house floods your homeowners insurance covers it it falls under that umbrella except for it would be a blood-borne pathogen now what they're starting to do is exclude that shout out to today's sponsor ground news in today's fast-paced media world it's never been more important to understand how the same story can be told in very different ways.
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And I think it's down to like 250 actual companies. Wow.
They got rid of a lot. I wonder what happened.
Well, companies that just don't do it on a regular, they don't keep up the certifications. They don't keep up the insurances.
They don't keep of a lot i wonder what happened well companies that just don't do it on a regular they don't keep up the certifications they don't keep up the insurances they don't keep up a lot you know so they end up finding something else that's more lucrative in in the field you know and they they stick to that yeah and your county la county there's a lot of deaths every day right yes i think it's like 12 1266 deaths a day which is crazy when you think about it 266 people a day now that's stillbirths that's hospital deaths car accidents homicides suicides that could be um people that die in homeless encampments these are terrorist attacks these are just all generic into death so however somebody could die industrial accidents um we did i i think a week ago we had a guy die on a freeway um a uh concrete mover ran over his leg and it ran it up so high that they couldn't get a tourniquet onto it right away and he just oh my out. Gosh, sounds terrible.
Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, you're dying.
There's nothing that can, that can save you at that point. That's nuts.
You just got to accept it, right? Yeah. Wow.
There's another death that we do. That is where somebody who has drank most of their life gets varicose veins on their esophagus.
And these varicose veins depending on your heartburn or what you eat will burst and there's nothing you can do you're going to bleed out and every single time we do this there's bloody handprints on the bathroom sink like this and they're looking into the mirror like and they're as they're throwing up blood because it's it's just constant blood you're you're bleeding out you like you hit a main artery but you're bleeding out through your mouth or your rectum oh my god just coming out so they look in the mirror and it's like fuck i know i'm dying and they just look at themselves and then finally they go but everyone i've been to have bloody handprints like that like dude holy fuck that's gotta be one of the worst ways to go out um i think so because you're suffocating on your own blood and you're drowning and you're and you're bleeding to death it's like a slow like painful death right oh i think fucking drowning or burning man burning is yeah burning's gotta hurt the most i'd imagine it's to be on the top 10, dude. Have you had any bodies burnt?

Yeah, I mean, that smells pretty intense.

Yeah, I bet.

Gets in your hair, even through the suits.

Sometimes you have to take your clothes off in your garage.

Wow.

There's times that I've had it in my clothes and I've taken them off in my garage

and it'll start to make my garage smell.

I just throw them away.

Damn.

I just got to get in your feet.

It's that strong. It's that strong?

It's that bad.

Burning flesh?

Burning flesh and even some dead bodies.

Yeah.

Wow.

Even sometimes it just,

it comes through that suit

and it gets on you like a fog.

Like you'll have to wash your hair

and you have to,

it gets in your eyebrows.

It's miserable.

Jeez.

The stench is just so bad.

Yeah.

I wonder how morgues and funeral homes

deal with the smell.

Yeah, I mean,

they have a powder

that you can use.

We use tea bags

or coffee grounds

in our masks,

but it's still,

you're going to,

it just,

it's kind of like

putting a Glade plug in, right?

It's going to mask

the smell a little bit, but you're still going to smell it. Yeah.
Yeah. That's nuts, man.
Do you believe in the spiritual side of things too? Like ghosts and spirits? Yeah. Fuck yeah, man.
I believe that I've been, I believe I've been on scenes where funky shit has kind of happened, you know, like something will turn on just out of nowhere or you know one of our machines will

just turn off and turn on and turn off and turn on and just freaky shit that probably shouldn't be happening yeah because if you're at a murder scene or crime scene there's probably some high energy going on there right yeah i mean yeah you got to figure well by the time we get there is 12 to 24 hours after it's happened but you have to figure 12 to 24 hours before that there was just just massive crazy fucking fight let's just say in there right you know so some of that energy could still be there you believe in i do yeah i believe in ghost spirits i don't know what to call it but yeah whatever like people have different labels yeah i think there's another realm sure where uh when you die you know you're still kind of there yeah they say it's a seven minute once you die i've heard this from from many people that when you die there's like a seven minute we'll just call it a replay i don't know

if it's looking over your life looking over maybe looking over your life maybe looking over at your loved ones i don't know but there's seven minutes of just like fuck you know yeah but no i've heard that from near-death experiences there's a book on it yeah we're like a thousand people all reported about a life replay.

Wow.

Interesting, right?

I mean, imagine you're just your whole life. on it yeah we're like a thousand people all reported up no a life replay wow interesting

right i mean imagine you're just your whole life like just but is it a mind fuck like like you did this wrong so and now you're dead you can't fix it it'd be it that would suck right it'd be miserable dying with regrets that's why i try even though i'm you know fairly young i still try to live with no regrets i mean you have to live your life like it's your last day you you have to and it doesn't mean you have to go out and and do blow and and fuck bitches right like it's not like nothing crazy like that but like you know we're not promised tomorrow i have seen a lot of death and it's going to happen to all of us that's the one thing that you know is guaranteed in life is death yeah and you you need to you need to um be prepared when it's your time yeah because you've probably seen some young people pass away i mean that's the part of me that that i think i struggle with the most because i'm a father yeah and seeing kids get fucked up is just gotta be the probably the worst because they're so innocent yeah there's no there's no what what did they do what you know what i'm saying like i don't know i just don't i just don't i just don't it's fucked it's a fuck deal man that would be

hard i can't even picture that a young boy or girl just seeing that yeah we we did a house in calabasas hidden hills which is in the calabasas area but yeah where a lot of predominant people live i think i think the kardashians live in in hidden hills and and and a few other people anyway we did a, we did a house in Hidden Hills, and they had an elevator in there. It went up three stories up and down.
Elevators have a safety switch in there, and basically when the doors open, it stops the elevator. And then that way the doors can shut, and nothing gets caught up top, nothing gets caught on the bottom.
And. And this, this safety switch that was like 75 bucks went out.

So,

um,

safety switch goes out and it's like 75 bucks.

And they're like,

no,

we'll just,

we'll just do this,

do that,

whatever it is.

So we,

um,

we go and here are these two little legs sticking out because this,

this,

this,

um,

this, um, elevator had come down and smashed this kid oh my gosh killed this kid like 75 dollars you live in a probably a six seven million dollar home that's like you have an elevator in your home you could afford 75 bucks right i mean fucking nuts so so now the parents who will probably not survive their marriage right because i think it's like 89 percent of people that have a child died end up getting divorced wow i didn't know that yeah it's a crazy yeah because they probably blame each other right yeah well you blame and you never get over that right and then here's another thing the other children will always be affected because the child that died is always going to be here put on this pedestal where these other children don't really get the i mean they still get love from their parents but not like not the same focus that yeah you know uh where a living person is and they take i think i think the parents didn't take for granted the, the, the kids that are still living because they, everybody wants to know why, why, why did they go, what happened? And, and, and you focus so much on that and everybody does it, right? It happens even in a breakup. Like, well, what the fuck did I do? What do we, what, what, what, what, what? And you focus on that, you know, a couple of months go by, you're, you're okay.
But the death of a child, I mean, that could go on for a long time, go on for a lifetime. Yeah.
I'd say most people probably can't recover from something like that. Yeah.
I mean, and they never fully recover and I don't think they're ever going to be the same either. Yeah.
You know, something with them is going to change. Yeah, that would mess me up, dude.
Yeah. Can you imagine? I mean, how old are you? 28.
Yeah, I'm about

to have kids soon, get married this year.

Can you imagine? It'd be gnarly,

dude. You're like,

fuck, man.

That's one of the worst.

It is the worst thing of my job

is to see a child

or

any type of person

under the age of 18.

Not that when you're hit 18, it's like it's better,

but I think you cope a little bit better.

From my standpoint, I can cope better with an 18-year-old

than I can a 10-year-old.

Yeah, because they've lived some life.

It's not like 10, you haven't lived at all, really.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, you haven't done much. You't done much you know and i think people take that for granted you know so um you know everybody is so worried about this and that and this and that you know do what makes you happy yeah because you're not promised tomorrow no 100 yeah it's time flies man dude i mean i mean think about it 10 years ago you were 18 yeah just out of high school right yeah and now you're doing all this in just 10 short i know my reunion is this year 10 year reunion i can't believe it i mean it's crazy right i got so many members from high school it feels like yesterday yeah and and i'm sure you're just like what the fuck like how did it even become this and now like you said you're about to have kids and marriage and you're about to be fucking 30 and next thing you sure you're just like, what the fuck? Like, how did it even become this? And now, like you said, you're about to have kids and marriage and you're about to be fucking 30.
And next thing you know, you're going to be 40 and 50. You're like, where did this go? Yeah.
You know, I wish I would have done this. I wish I would have done that.
Even me who lives like that. I mean, I do.
I live my life as day by day as possible. And like, fuck it, no regrets.
But there's even times where i'm like fuck man i'm gonna be 50 this year like what happened damn where am i at yeah like holy shit crazy yeah man how's your view on death change since starting this line of work yeah i mean in in the beginning i was just more of a i was more of a this is a paycheck let's get it going i would eat at the scene because that's crazy to me i could care less and now i think it's like oh dude i see so much in fact i've i've gotten to the point now where i try not to go to scenes anymore because it has i think i think I got some PTSD from it. I mean, you definitely have.
There's no way you don't. Yeah.
It's just, um, it's fucking my head quite a bit. So I, I try to stay away from it.
Um, I have a, uh, a good business partner, um, this, that, um, when I started the company, he came on shortly after and, and, um, you a little deal. And he and David is, he's an amazing dude.
And he takes care of a lot of that, knowing what I have to go through. And so because of that, you know, I owe a lot to David too.
Because without David, I don't think we'd be doing as well as, as well as we are either, you know? And I buy little smaller companies that, you know, when they pop up, I try to buy them and, you know, people that, that, that, that have some coming, but they're not, they're not doing as the volume that we're doing, you know, because a lot of people think they can do this business a lot, a lot of people, they can can do this job. And then they get there.
And they hold their first eyeball. And it sets into reality.
I've had people faint, throw up, pass out. And I'm out of shape.
I don't want to be carrying you like a firefighter. And then I'm out of breath.
And I'm discombobulated. And I'm having to drink water.
And I'm irritated. I'm like, fuck, this sucks.
Yeah. Damn, you actually had someone like pass out.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
One of my first, first jobs is guy walks in and he's like, I could do it. I've seen this in the streets and that in the streets.
We get in there and he starts doing this. And I'm like, don't you pass out.
I swear. He's a big dude.
And he did. He passed out.
Dragging him and dragging him. And I'm out of breath.
And I get outside and I'm throwing up because i'm out of breath and you're in the suits so in the suits it's 22 degrees hotter in the suits holy crap yeah and and you're sweating and and and you know you're you have a respirator on so you're not getting as much oxygen either i mean it's it's miserable jeez i see must have been something else for a street guy to throw up like that or pass out like that and then and then you're you're you're you know your deodorant starts to wear off so now you're musty and you're in the suit and you're just you're like dude enough dude like enough you know yeah so i don't think that scene was that bad it was a it was a homicide or it was a this guy tried to kill his wife and she ended up living and he ended up shooting and killing himself and wow blood everywhere he had chased her all over and he shot himself shot himself yeah yeah he was like he was a he was a cop too jeez he's a correction officer and they and he fucking smoked himself oh my god after after shooting his old lady do you think your ptsd was a compilation of all the scenes or was it specific ones that really i just think it was a a compilation of everything man i mean you see all this shit and these kids and this and that and you're like fuck dude you know yeah and and you know there's other shit too there's there's um there's my natural life that happens you know what i'm saying so you got natural life going on right plus all this other shit so so yeah it's a compilation but i i think that the scenes are for sure did it have you found any methods on uh kind of healing that or helping in any way psychedelics have you tried those so um i'm sober i don't drink i don't i don't do drugs. I don't do any of that.
Um, because I like to be in control. Yeah.
But a lot of people have been telling me that I need to micro dose mushrooms. Yeah.
That it is, does wonders for PTSD. Um, and, um, actually, um, a buddy of mine, uh, Billy that, uh that used to work for the ufc uh him and dana swear by you know microdosing for ptsd really really does help um but i'm nervous that i'm on a fucking bad trip and you can't have a bad trip on a microdose no no for sure i mean i've never heard of it i've met hundreds of people that have microdose i microdose um you could probably have like weird feelings but if in order to have a bad trip you have to be hallucinating you have to be on a full dose so microdosing is just a small dose and yeah so what does it do you're taking one tenth of an actual dose okay so you still get still get like a little, like, it's hard to explain, but you're not seeing anything.
You're not hallucinating. So what is exactly does it do then? Just rewires your brain.
I don't know the exact science behind it. To be honest, there's more, better people that can explain that.
Do you feel like what you take it for, whatever it is, that it helps that specific? Yeah, I take it for productivity and if i need like um just inspiration gotcha so i'll take it like maybe once a month okay i know some people take it every day some people take it once a week not they're dealing with more major issues like ptsd anxiety depression so yeah well i have done a full dose too and that pretty much cured my mental issues really in's legal. Yeah.
No shit. Yeah.
So you went to Amsterdam. That wasn't the main intention.
We were just there. I was young and stupid.
And you could walk in and buy it. Sure.
Sure. Yeah.
But it helped a lot with my mental health. No shit.
I don't have any anxiety anymore, actually. Yeah.
I mean, I, I, that's why I quit drinking and everything else. Cause my fucking anxiety from this fucking job has just put me through the roof.
Oh, I bet. You know, where I'm just like on edge.
Yeah, drinking probably makes it way worse. Oh, it's so bad.
Yeah. It's so bad.
And then, you know, my younger brother was killed and bartered. So I had that going on.
You know, my relationship with my mother wasn't the greatest. My relationship with baby mothers weren't the greatest i mean it just it was fucking piling up then i started doing this job and the next thing you know i'm fucking everybody that even looks at me in a different way i think they're fucking want to kill me you know what i mean like it's just weird so you were paranoid paranoid for sure well not uh yeah something like that but more anxiety just fucking heart palpitations just like fuck i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die and i was going to the hospital and they're like dude there's nothing wrong with you what the fuck is wrong yeah your heart's fucking fine like you need to chill man and and uh so i went to therapist and i did this and i did that and um i quit drinking and smoking on the same day, cold Turkey, fucking no meetings, no nothing.
And that helped by 80%, to be honest with you. Um, you know, and then I was able to start slow breathing in through my nose, out through my mouth, counting.
Um, so I got it pretty well under control at this point, but it's not like, it's not perfect i can tell you that it's it's still there's still but i would definitely try micro dosing if but it just makes me nervous yeah i can feel that there's a lot of relation with physical health and mental health too yeah so if your physical like health is terrible like there's a good chance your mental health yeah i eat like shit i eat horrible yeah so that's why i'm also when you're at a crime scene it's not like you can just bring your lunch right right it's yeah because it takes a full day to clean up right oh like it could take weeks to clean weeks weeks holy crap weeks damn it depends it's so you can only per osha regulations you can only be in these suits depending on the temperature outside, but, but the longest you want to be in those suits is 50 hour or 50 minutes. So, so you have to come out of the suits, you have to hydrate, you have to take a 15 minute break.
You got to cool down, let the body, make sure everything is good. You don't want your kidneys to start failing.
Right. And, um, so the hotter it is outside, the less time you can be in the suits.
So at variables in the wintertime, you stay a little bit longer. We usually do about an hour in the suits, but in the summertime, 30 to 45 minutes.
Damn. Yeah.
It's like a sauna in there. Yeah.
And then you got these latex gloves on and they're doubled up, right? And we got booties on and you'll peel your gloves off and it's just a full glass of water coming out. Holy crap.
You're sweating that much? Oh, you're sweating bad. Damn.
Bad, bad, yeah. I wonder if they can invent something more efficient, but it'd be tough.
It'd be tough, man. Those latex gloves are, they're fucked.
They're so bad. They're so bad.
Holy crap. I mean, you sweat and the suit doesn't make, you know know because we put them underneath and then it's taped up and it's taped up so there's no way of air getting in at all damn and then you have this respirator and it slows down your breathing and so it's um it's tough jeez it is tough you mentioned agencies earlier so you're getting calls from agencies to clean these up sometimes? So each county is different, right? So LA County, it is against the law for any agency to give you work.
And the reason is, is that let's say the coroner's office says, here you go. This is who we recommend.
And we do something that is unethical or we do something that is not up to par, whatever. Mistakes happen, right? LA County Corner does not want to be responsible for what a private company does.
It's cover your ass, right? We get it. So in those types of counties, they will hand them a paper with a list of five five different companies on there and they'll go here's a list of companies that we known throughout or you can look on the on the on the california crime scene practitioner list and go from there and then they'll pick and choose oh got it you know depending on your seo and where

you're at uh you know google is your your best bet people use google a lot um word of mouth is also

you know pretty good um so yelp which sounds crazy that people go on yelp but they do they go on yelp

for this that's crazy i go on yelp for restaurant reviews That's crazy. I go on Yelp for restaurant reviews.
Yeah, yeah. They go on Yelp and they leave.
I mean, every business in the world has good reviews and bad reviews. Every one.
Facts. Just some have more.
I have a really good, I think it's 4.9, which is probably the highest you can get i got one or two bad reviews you can't please everyone no and remember a loved one just died so you're not in your right state of mind there might be things that i've told you and you have just missed it right and then you're like fuck i don't remember you saying that well listen i've been doing this a long time i'm not gonna lie to you this is what it is you know um but yeah i mean you know and then there's times that we i got a bad review from a guy that his wife was killed by her boyfriend damn so so it was his wife they were they were estranged oh okay so it was his wife was dating a new guy and the and the and the guy beat her with a hammer in front of his kids what and the the guy was a pedophile so the the other the husband said can i ask you a question and i said sure he He goes, am I a bad father for allowing my kids to be around that guy?

And I said, you do not want me to answer that question.

Let's just move on to what we're doing here.

No, no, I need to hear this.

Are you a father?

I am.

Okay.

At the time I was married, are you married?

Yes.

Okay.

What would you have done?

I said, I would never allow a child molester to be around my kids. So he was on the list, like the child defender list.
Yeah. And he knew that.
And he knew it. So I said, so he says, so you're saying it's my fault.
And I go, you asked me a question. I'm telling you this.
I would never allow that. And, um, fuck you.
Fuck the kids. I hope, I hope this happens to you.
I mean, just shit and i go well again and and he's just just jamming at me and jamming at me and fuck your kids and i can't i'll kill them too i mean just and i said it's no wonder that your old lady got beat by a pedophile just you know just to dig it to dig it in. So I got a bad review for that.

And I'll accept that.

You know,

I shouldn't have said that,

but.

It got personal with that.

Yeah, fuck,

you start threatening my kids.

What do you think is going to happen,

right?

You poke the bear so many times,

it's going to happen.

Everybody has a breaking point.

You do too.

I mean,

you're the most mellow,

probably dude.

I got a point.

Yeah,

but you got a point too,

right?

Yeah.

Somebody keeps poking and poking you.

It's hard to get me angry though.

I'll say that.

But you,

but you have.

I do have a tippy point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sure if you threaten someone,

I really care about.

Thank you. but you had a point too right yeah somebody keeps poking and poking it's hard to get me angry though i'll say that but you but you have i do have a tippy point yeah yeah i'm sure if you threaten someone i really care about sure right you said you're about to get married somebody threatens your your fiance you're gonna lose you lose your shit like you know at that point you go into it doesn't matter how big they are how bad they are fire flight yeah you're gonna do what you have to do yeah you know and or die trying right yeah so bad reviews aren't avoidable i used to stress over them but i did too you literally can't please everyone you could have the best service or product yeah you just can't do it man and you know somebody somebody gave me some advice one time and um he says it's actually my son.
My son is 23 years old. He's got a master's degree in psychology.
And he says it's actually my son my son is 23 years old he's got a master's degree in psychology and he says to me dad look you're so worried about these two bad reviews like you want to because i asked him should i go back and and say my side of it and he's like for what like for what all you're doing is rehashing it these are years ago you're just rehashing it and you're rehashing old wounds for them to leave it alone and so since he told me that he's like what do you care like what do you care those people do not make your life everybody else who knows you and knows who you are and the knows who you are. And the kind of man you are.

And the kind of father you are.

They don't care.

And he's right.

Right.

What do I care?

So I live by that.

I love that.

Yeah.

I really only value opinion to people I respect or care about.

Yeah.

I mean, I'll listen to them.

I think it's important to listen to.

I think it's important to listen to everybody's side of opinion.

Because there's things that learning every day is important.

When you stop learning and you think you're a know-it-all, that can become a problem.

I see that battle with a lot of successful people with their ego.

Yeah.

I mean, you think because you've made $3, $4, $5, $6, $10 million that you can stop learning. I've seen people lose 10, $20 million.
I mean, big athletes, look at them. Same.
Right? Just lose millions. And you go, how in the fuck did you lose? You know what I mean? Like it boggles my mind, but it also boggles my mind how somebody could be a heroin addict, but it happens, you know? So, yeah, I get it, I guess.
It used to really boggle my mind when I see people lose money like that. But now that I'm getting closer and actually hearing their perspective on the podcast, it's like, yeah, that could happen to almost anyone.
You know, a divorce here or there and then a bad financial investment. You know, you get wrecked.
One bad financial investment can ruin you. Yeah, I've lost.
So I've lost my money twice now and I'm only 28. So it's like, damn, I got some, I'm glad I got that perspective because some people that never happens to until they're like 40 and they got kids.
But you needed that, right? Oh, I needed it. You need, I was making millions and cocky.
Right, right. Yeah.
And just thought you were just untouchable. Untouchable.
Andable untouchable and then you lost it you're like yeah and i lost it because of my own mistake that's the thing it wasn't like i randomly lost it it was my fault so you got to take accountability for it too and and do you do you do you did you you feel like you learned from that oh yeah i'm so careful with what i invest in now i just made

some really stupid investments i got really emotional with some of them and uh nah you can't do that i'm glad you said it because that was that's the biggest thing is there's no emotion in an investment yeah take you have to take the emotion out of it you have to if you don't you're fucked you're fucked and that's why i keep friendships and investments separate now it's mandatory

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Well, why?

I'm just telling you.

No, no, no.

Do it right.

This is what a bank would want to see if you were going to go in, right?

And ask for a loan.

And it's like, well, but you're not a bank.

Well, then why do you ask me for a loan?

You know?

Invest in, you know, one of your harebrained, you know, Whataburgers.

So.

Yeah.

They never drop the plan once you ask for it.

I've never had, I've, I've never had a person when I say, hey man,

Thank you. you know, one of your harebrained, you know, Whataburgers.
So yeah, they never drop the plan once you ask for it.

I've never had, I've, I've never had a person when I say, Hey man, draw it up.

Let's do it.

Let's check it out.

Never had, never with a business plan.

Never.

Not one time.

But if you're not willing to put in the weeks and hours and days that it takes to drop a business proposal, what the fuck do I want to get into business with you for? Fuck. Long-term business.
Fuck out of here. You plan on transferring this to your son one day or are you going to sell it before then? He doesn't want it.
Why? None of my kids want it. Did you ask them why? I've asked every one of them and they're just not into any of it.
They don't want any part of the death. they don't they just don't want it and so i'll probably end up selling it as a as a as a whole or piecing out each office yeah um but i'd like to sell it as a whole one day you know eventually or david can take it is there like a big nationwide company that does this that would buy this yeah so aftermath is the biggest they're the walmart of this um the issue is is that they are not well liked with the insurance companies because of their billing practices um they throw a lot of red flags um in fact i have been asked multiple times by insurance companies to review their bills really yeah and they pay me to do that so they just over inflate numbers or big time damn big time that's not cool i mean i think they feel like because insurance is big money right they can that's true too yes both sides of the story right yeah but you know you got to look at it right right? Insurance is a scam.
Pretty much, yeah. The more I get older, the more I realize.
The minute that you try to use your homeowner's insurance, it's a fucking act of Congress to get something to do. Yeah, you got to fight for it.
But they want their payment. And then you have somebody die in your home, which is usually not the fault of your own.
And then it's like, it it's jumping through hoops to get these people i had to fight when my car got broken into yeah right i had to fight with lemonade talk about uh you know a window and a few whatever personal items you had in there whatever and they they don't want to do it no pay for it they actually though they're starting to do this they stalk your social media isn't that crazy oh. Yeah, so my car got broken into.
They were stalking my social media to see if I was using the car for business because it was personal insurance, personal commercial insurance. So they found I posted one time I was transporting sports cards in my car.
Right. So I didn't get the full claim because of that.
Isn't that crazy? I think that they are going to... So in California, a lot of insurance companies have moved out of California and stopped covering anybody or anything in California.
Yeah, after the fires, right? Even before the fires, they just pretty much told them, no, fuck you, take us to court. Yeah.
And then you're wrapped up in court for four or five years before you get anything. Meanwhile, the property's empty.
Your personal property's gone. You have nothing.
Damn. So that's probably making your job really hard, right? I mean, yeah.
You know, yes. Because Cali's your biggest market, right? Cali's my number one market for sure.
Damn. You know, Vegas, everybody thinks that Vegas is like crazy.

But remember, Vegas sweeps everything under the rug.

Right.

Like where LA County gets 12%, you guys probably get six, if you're lucky.

All the people that die in hotels.

We signed nine NDAs, right?

We can't discuss any hotel that anybody dies in at any time that is not national news.

Like, you know, the Route 66 or Route 91 or route 91 like of course that was televised anything else you're never going to hear about it i've never seen a single news article about a vegas hotel death of course not and i know it's happening and multiple times a week yeah there's a lot of overdoses suicides a lot that's why they remove balconies people are jumping off that's right because what they do is people are like well this is my last hoorah i'm gonna go to vegas and get some blow and fuck some hookers and then i'm gonna fucking i'm gonna check out happens all the time damn but they don't they you'll never hear about it never no no because then it then it it deters people from coming to the hotel. Yeah, it ruins business.
Death is bad. Nobody wants to know if somebody died, drowned in your pool, this, that.
They'll close that whole floor off, get a company in there, get it back to normal before you even know. Damn, they'll close the whole floor? Well, maybe a section, but yeah, they don't want anybody on there.
Wow. While we're on there, they'll close it all down.
They want us to come in all plain vehicles, pull around the back because most of our trucks have crime scene cleaner across the street. Oh, yeah.
So you got to remove that. Well, we have vehicles that are just plain for that reason.
And you can't even wear shirts? Wow. Nope.
And do you come at nighttime when everyone's sleeping? Depends. But yeah, I mean, we'll come in, in regular, regular clothes and, you know, we're, we're run up service elevators and yeah.
Damn. How do you take the body down without people seeing? No, we don't touch the body.
Oh, you don't? The corner. Oh, got it.
The corner touches the body. We just take the parts or the, the remnants of was left got it yeah so we take it down we have a uh like a 96 gallon uh trash can right that you put out in front of your yard we have those and they're red uh which equals biohazard so i'll take those down service elevators where nobody else is and oh yeah they're not gonna they're not gonna take a shit that's not and you know what else does that too is airports do that a lot really people die at airports people die in airports all the time wow these a lot i did not expect that yep oh geez at airports i wonder why they're doing it at the airport i think people get anxiety or you know and able to fly they need to whatever it is i i'm just guessing right yeah i don't like to fly but i have to i have to take a anti-anxiety medication really like it freaks me out damn especially these days right yeah right i mean what was there 82 crashes since 2025 started 82 crazy that's like the the most in faa history and i hate to say it but i feel like it's only gonna get worse I mean, these planes are 30 years old, right? They're not being maintained as well.
You know, look at the job market, right? Where kids these days don't give a fuck, right? About what they do, what makes it any different. Building airplanes or...
Well, they rushed a lot of them. Building cars, right? Even the newer ones, I'm not even like faithful in those.
Yeah. I mean, the private jets, right? All that jet way safer technically it's not yeah actually kind of worse i try to drive everywhere i just drove the sedona it was like five hours but i'd rather do that than fly there yeah yeah i mean you can do it at your own pace you can just just chill enjoy the ride you know depending on who you're with yeah yeah facts all that matters dude it's fun.
Where can people watch you, watch your podcast and keep up with you, man? Yeah. Um, dying to see me is my Instagram and my podcast.
Um, I kind of quit doing shows for about six months. I had, uh, my mom passed away.
I had just a bunch of life bullshit happening, but, uh, I just got my studio built. I was talking to you about it.
It's my own studio. I own the property.

I own everything.

So now I don't have to jump around

because it's a lot.

But yeah, dying to see me on Instagram

and Spotify and YouTube and all that stuff.

Boom.

You can find me on there.

And yeah, we'll have to get you to come on there.

And I mean, I'm going to be out here too

doing some filming.

Yeah, we'll line it up, man.

Thanks for coming on today.

That was fun. Thanks for having me.
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That was fun.

Thanks for having me.

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