Inside the World of Crime Scene Cleaning | Matt Montague DSH #1357

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Speaker 2 Is where somebody who is drank most of their life gets varicose veins on their esophagus. And eventually these varicose veins, depending on your heartburn or what you eat, will burst.

Speaker 2 And there's nothing you can do. You're going to bleed out.
And every single time we do this, there's bloody handprints on the bathroom sink like this.

Speaker 2 All right, guys, got an interesting one for you guys today. A crime scene cleaner.
Matt, thanks for coming on today, man. No problem.
No problem.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so the largest crime scene company in cali vegas and arizona right yeah number one in california number one in vegas uh number one in arizona and i think like number four in texas damn that's impressive that you're able to do that many markets at the same time yeah yeah because obviously you're stuck in one location right yeah mostly the california but we do fly and go to other other spots to get them going.

Speaker 2 They're not franchised. They're just ours.
How long did it take to build this thing up?

Speaker 2 Man, 2010, i believe we started okay so it's been it's been a while 15 years 15 did it take off right away no no you know i i mean i kind of faked it till i made it you know um i think everybody does that and you do your first one and you bill it and you you think oh man this is there's no way this is going to happen or this and and then you know you get your first one and then your second one comes and then it's always man i you know i hope to do one a month and then it goes from man i hope to do one every other week, you know, and then it just now it's every day something is happening.

Speaker 2 Damn, so you have one a day right now? That's about average. Holy crap.
But remember, there's more than just a homicide or a suicide.

Speaker 2 There's people that die natural causes, people that die of natural causes in

Speaker 2 public areas, right? Homeless encampments.

Speaker 2 There's stillborn where there could be just blood everywhere. There's car accidents.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's just so many

Speaker 2 things that can happen yeah

Speaker 2 when when i say i clean homicides and suicides everybody thinks oh but they they forget about the the the natural deaths that happen too or the decomps that happen you know uh where there's an older person who doesn't have family member that checks on them or they don't check on them as much as they should check on them.

Speaker 2 And then next thing you know, they've been deceased for two weeks and there's a smell coming out. And the neighbors are like, what's that smell?

Speaker 2 Why are there flies everywhere? What's the oldest body you've seen decomposed?

Speaker 2 Probably a couple months. Damn.
And it depends on what is the heat indexed. You know, is it hot outside, cool outside? You know,

Speaker 2 ones that are buried, usually they tend to stay more. Ground is moist and cold.
And so it keeps. you know, preserves the body.

Speaker 2 But, you know, if you're in heat, I mean, it can start to liquefy within hours wow so start to really really be bad in the summertime it's especially out here in Vega oh yeah oh my god that's when you get the maggots the heat yeah the heat and the maggots are just the flies and yeah it's bad did that freak you out the first time you saw those maggots yeah you know you never get used to

Speaker 2 the maggots you know either either you can see it but you can't smell it, or you can smell it and can't see it. That's usually the trade-off, right? I I can see it, no problem.
I can eat there.

Speaker 2 I don't have any issues, but the smell for me, it still to this day, sometimes it'll gag me. Wow, it's not make me throw up.
Oh, yeah. I've never smelled maggots before.
It's so bad.

Speaker 2 It's like, yeah, it's like garbage truck juice. Like it's like, it's bad.
It's nasty. Yeah.
And when does the body start getting those on average? You know, like I said, it depends on the heat index.

Speaker 2 It depends on how long have they been gone. It depends on what was going on in their body.
Are they sick? Do they have any type of other illness going on, cancer, such?

Speaker 2 Were they diabetic? Did they drink? You know, there's a sweet smell to a diabetic that has been in like

Speaker 2 ketoacidosis, for example,

Speaker 2 going to diabetic coma. That smell is a sweet because their blood sugar is just through the roof.

Speaker 2 So the smell of that, and then you mix that with death, and it's almost like a sweet, like a

Speaker 2 sweet it's bad geez fucking did some pretty bad this this line of work must really desensitize you right i mean to a point i i think we have an average of

Speaker 2 maybe

Speaker 2 seven years that people work for us

Speaker 2 and then it gets to the point where they're like okay enough's enough they they need to move on right because

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Speaker 2 You see is death. It's not like we see a good story.

Speaker 2 A good story for us is one person lived and just a few other died, right? Or

Speaker 2 one died and a few other lived, but there's always going to be a death with us.

Speaker 2 It's very rare that

Speaker 2 we do get these suicides where somebody will shoot themselves under the neck and blow the front of their face off and they'll live.

Speaker 2 But for not for long. I mean, eventually that just adds to the problems, you know, for them.
And then they end up killing themselves in another way. Jeez.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm sure you've seen some really gruesome scenes.
Really gruesome. Man.

Speaker 2 What's the one that freaked you out the most?

Speaker 2 I think that's,

Speaker 2 I mean, there's so many, but I think one of the ones that we

Speaker 2 ever did was we were training in Texas

Speaker 2 and this guy had been up on methamphetamines for a long time and he he cut his mother from her neck down to the top of her vagina. Oh, my God.
And then took

Speaker 2 like tree cutters and cut her rib cage open. What? And then was eating her liver while he masturbated.
What?

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's insane.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, my God.
And then, so they arrest him.

Speaker 2 He had been high on meth so long that he just didn't know what he was doing. And so a couple days go by and he detoxes and

Speaker 2 he keeps asking for his mother. Hey, where's my mom? Let me get a phone call.
I want to get bailed out. And

Speaker 2 apparently, from what I hear, he found out what he did through another inmate or something, and he hung himself. Damn.
He killed himself. Yeah, he couldn't live with it.
Yeah, I mean, you know,

Speaker 2 who does that to their mother, right? No matter what kind of relationship you have, eating her fucking liver while you masturbate is pretty savage, dude. That's insane.
Pretty savage, man. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You probably got people quitting when they see something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's not for the faint of heart.
That's sure. That's for sure.
But we have women

Speaker 2 actually make better technicians than men because they can handle more of the gruesome and the nonsense. Really? Yeah.
Oh, I would have assumed the opposite. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I mean, women are nurturers. This is what they do.
They're mothers. They can clean shit and throw up, right? Where we're like,

Speaker 2 you know, anytime that there's anything like that. So, no, they make the best.
They do. They make the best.
Wow. That's interesting.
And

Speaker 2 every time

Speaker 2 I get

Speaker 2 a application or somebody who talks to me on my podcast or whatever about it, usually the women are 90% more interested than the men.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Brilliantly.
Yeah. Even though they like all that crime novel and

Speaker 2 the true crime. Yeah.
Yeah. Flows through their veins.
I'm not into it as much. I mean,

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Speaker 2 I mean, I live it, so like, I don't really, it's not like I watch it, but I, um, I mean, you just see a lot of death, man. Yeah.
The death is just so,

Speaker 2 yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Have you ever clean up after a serial killer spree or something

Speaker 2 um yes multiple times multiple times yeah there's um

Speaker 2 yeah there was a guy that was cutting people up

Speaker 2 from what we understand they were he was cutting them up and serving them in like a taco cart oh my gosh yeah that's insane so so that was in cali yeah parked on the side of the road and then serving these up and people were getting sick and going to the hospital and just fucking throwing up and holy crap and they test the meat and it's it's human meat and they're like you know and it's multiple people not just one and it's all in in in one area and then apparently he goes to another area and so they they've labeled him definitely a serial killer that's insane just nuts so he you only hear

Speaker 2 12% of really what happens in your area anywhere, even Vegas or

Speaker 2 Los Angeles or, you know, they're not telling you everything.

Speaker 2 Not even close. No, no, because there would be like a pandemonium with everybody be like, what? Like, I didn't know this.
I didn't, you know, how many times somebody will tell me, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 I didn't know this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man, it's like it's there, or they'll put it out as

Speaker 2 very minute at the bottom of the page type, you know, right? Like out of sight, out of mind. Yeah, they'll hide it.

Speaker 2 When I was in college, there was a few deaths, and yeah, they hit, they hid them pretty much. A lot of suicides or ODs, yeah, some Adderall stuff, some drug ODs, yeah, But they hit it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Drug ODs are real stinky, too. Really? Yeah.
So I don't know if it's the body trying to push out

Speaker 2 whatever it has taken in, you know.

Speaker 2 But yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 Are you in a hazmat suit when you show up? Oh, yeah. We're in a full Tyvek suit, respirator,

Speaker 2 depending on what

Speaker 2 scene it is. You know, sometimes we'll have a self-contained breathing apparatus, like

Speaker 2 a scuba tank almost where the hind comes in. Sometimes we'll have people call them gas masks, but they'll have cartridges on.
Sometimes we'll have a disposable. It just depends on what is happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's insane, man.
It's gnarly. Yeah, but it's needed because if no one was doing this,

Speaker 2 you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so

Speaker 2 the phone calls that I get that aren't from. an agency would be

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 hey, man, the coroner's left, the police left, the fireman left, and there's a pile of blood or brains or teeth or fingernails or whatever. And they just said, yeah, we'll see you later.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's really what it is. It happens every scene.
Police, police and firemen are there for an emergency. Emergency is done, body's gone, everybody's out.

Speaker 2 They're not there to be a molly-made service. They're not there to clean it up.
Right. They just got to remove the body.
Just remove it. And whatever is smaller than two fists is left.

Speaker 2 So like I said, fingers, eyeballs, teeth,

Speaker 2 blood,

Speaker 2 guts, intestines, all that is left.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you can't just pick it up and throw it away because there's airborne pathogens. There's bloodborne pathogens.
There's all kinds of, you don't know what this person died of.

Speaker 2 There's so much things that you can get sick from, but they leave it. So then we have to come in and, you know, we build a homeowner's insurance, which covers it.

Speaker 2 Usually 90 of of our work is insurance work wow so if you pass away in your house the homeowner's insurance has to cover that correct yep yep it's built into your your policy it's it'd be like a flood or like um

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Speaker 2 On policies

Speaker 2 because it can be very expensive for us to come in and clean up biohazard. It's not like water, you know? Yeah, there's not many people that could do what you do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, there's only a few companies, you know.

Speaker 2 I think in California, you have to be on what they call a crime scene practitioners list to do this.

Speaker 2 And there was like

Speaker 2 600 numbers on there, but they just revised the list. And I think it's down to like 250 actual companies.
Wow, they got rid of a lot. I wonder what happened.

Speaker 2 Well, companies that just don't do it on a regular, they don't keep up the certifications, they don't keep up the entrances, they don't keep up a lot.

Speaker 2 So they end up finding something else that's more lucrative in the field, you know, and they stick to that. Yeah.
And in your county, LA County, there's a lot of deaths every day, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like, I think it's like

Speaker 2 1,266 deaths a day, I believe. Which is crazy when you think about it.
1,266 people a day. Now, that's stillbirths.
That's hospital deaths, car accidents, homicides, suicides. That could be

Speaker 2 people that die in homeless encampments. These are terrorist attacks.
These are just

Speaker 2 all generic into deaths. So however somebody can die, industrial accidents.

Speaker 2 We did,

Speaker 2 I think a week ago, we had a guy die on a freeway.

Speaker 2 A

Speaker 2 concrete mover ran over his leg and it ran it up so high that they couldn't get a tourniquet onto it right away. And he just let out.
Gosh, sounds terrible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, you know, you're dying. There's nothing that

Speaker 2 can save you at that point. That's nuts.
You just got to accept it, right? Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 2 There's another death that we do

Speaker 2 that is where somebody who has drank most of their life gets varicose veins on their esophagus.

Speaker 2 And eventually these varicose veins, depending on your heartburn or what you eat, will burst.

Speaker 2 And there's nothing you can do. You're going to bleed out.
And every single time we do this, there's bloody handprints on the bathroom sink like this. And they're looking into the mirror like.

Speaker 2 And as they're throwing up blood, because it's just constant blood. You're bleeding out.
Like you hit a main artery, but you're bleeding out through your mouth or your rectum. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 It's just coming out so they look in the mirror and it's like fuck. I know I'm dying.

Speaker 2 And they just look at themselves and then finally they go, but everyone I've been to have bloody handprints like that. Like, dude.
Holy fuck. That's got to be one of the worst ways to go out.

Speaker 2 I think so, because you're suffocating on your own blood and you're drowning and you're bleeding to death. It's like a slow, like painful death, right?

Speaker 2 I think fucking drowning or burning, man. Burning is awkward.
Yeah, burning's got to hurt the most, I'd imagine. It's got to be on the top 10, dude.
Have you had any bodies burnt?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, that smells pretty, pretty intense. Yeah, I bet.
Gets in your hair, even through the suits. You know, sometimes

Speaker 2 you have to take your clothes off in your garage. Wow.
There's times that I've had it in my clothes and I've taken them off in my garage and it'll start to make my garage smell.

Speaker 2 I just throw them away. Damn, I just got to get into it.
It's that strong. It's that bad.
Burning flesh. Burning flesh and even some dead bodies.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Even sometimes it just, it comes through that suit and it it it gets on you like a fog like you'll have to wash your hair and you have to it's it gets in your eyebrows it's it's miserable

Speaker 2 the stench is just so bad yeah i wonder how morgues and funeral homes deal with the smell yeah i mean they they

Speaker 2 they they have a powder that you can use we use tea bags or coffee grounds in our in our masks but it's still you're gonna it just

Speaker 2 it's kind of like putting a glade plug in right

Speaker 2 it's it's going to mass the smell a little bit, but you're still going to smell it. Yeah.
Yeah. Damn.
That's nuts, man. Do you believe in the spiritual side of things too? Like ghosts and spirits?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I, I, fuck yeah, man.
I believe that I've been, I, I believe I've been on scenes where

Speaker 2 funky shit has kind of happened, you know, like.

Speaker 2 Something will turn on just out of nowhere or, you know, one of our machines will just turn off and turn on and turn off and turn on and just freaky shit that probably shouldn't be happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because if you're at a murder scene or a crime scene, there's probably some high energy going on there, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got to figure. Well, by the time we get there is

Speaker 2 12 to 24 hours after it's happened, but you have to figure 12 to 24 hours before that,

Speaker 2 there was just massive, crazy fucking

Speaker 2 fight, let's just say, in there. Right.
You know, so some of that energy could still be there.

Speaker 2 You believe in... I do.
Do you? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I believe in ghost ghosts spirits i don't know what to call it but yeah whatever like people have different labels yeah i think there's another realm sure where uh when you die you know you're still kind of there

Speaker 2 yeah they say it's a seven minute once you die i've heard this from from many people that when you die there's like a seven minute

Speaker 2 we'll just call it a replay i don't know if it's looking over your life looking over

Speaker 2 maybe looking over your life maybe looking over at your loved ones i don't know but there's seven seven minutes of just like, fuck, you know? Yeah. But no, I've heard that from near-death experiences.

Speaker 2 There's a book on it, yeah, where like a thousand people all reported up. No shit.
A life replay. Wow.
Interesting, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, imagine you're, just your whole life,

Speaker 2 like.

Speaker 2 But is it a mind fuck? Like, like, you did this wrong, so, and now you're dead, you can't fix it. It'd be a.
That would suck, right? It'd be miserable. Dying with regrets.

Speaker 2 That's why I try, even though I'm, you know, fairly young, I still try to live with no regrets. I mean, you have to live your life like it's your last day.

Speaker 2 You have to. And it doesn't mean you have to go out and do blow and

Speaker 2 fuck bitches, right? Like

Speaker 2 nothing crazy like that. But like,

Speaker 2 you know, we're not promised tomorrow. I have seen a lot of death and

Speaker 2 it's going to happen to all of us. That's the one thing that, you know, is guaranteed in life is death.
Yeah. And you, you need to, you need um

Speaker 2 be prepared when it's your time yeah because you've probably seen some young people pass away i mean

Speaker 2 that's the part of me that

Speaker 2 that i think i struggle with the most because i'm a father yeah and seeing kids get

Speaker 2 up is just got to be the probably the worst because they're so innocent yeah there's no there's no what what what did what did they do what you know what i'm saying like i don't know i just don't

Speaker 2 i just don't i just don't it's fucked. It's a fucked deal, man.
That would be hard. I can't even picture a young boy or girl just seeing that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we, we did a house in Calabasas, Hidden Hills, which is in the Calabasas area, but it's where a lot of predominant people live.

Speaker 2 I think, I think the Kardashians live in Hidden Hills and

Speaker 2 a few other people. Anyway, we did a...

Speaker 2 We did a house in Hidden Hills and they had an elevator in there. It went up three stories up and down.
Elevators.

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Speaker 2 It's It's a safety switch in there. And basically, when the doors open, it stops the elevator.
And then that way the doors could shut and nothing gets caught up up top.

Speaker 2 Nothing gets caught on the bottom. And this safety switch that was like 75 bucks went out.
So

Speaker 2 safety switch goes out and it's like 75 bucks. And they're like, no, we'll just do this, do that, whatever it is.
So we

Speaker 2 go and

Speaker 2 hear these two little legs sticking out because this um

Speaker 2 this um elevator had come down and smashed this kid oh my gosh killed this kid like 75 you live in a probably a six seven million dollar home that's crazy like you have an elevator in your home you could afford 75

Speaker 2 right i mean

Speaker 2 fucking nuts so so

Speaker 2 now the parents

Speaker 2 who will probably not survive their marriage, right? Because I think it's like 89%

Speaker 2 of people that have a child died end up getting divorced. Wow, I didn't know that.
Yeah, it's a crazy thing. Yeah, because they probably blame each other, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, you blame and you never get over that, right? And then here's another thing.

Speaker 2 The other children will always be affected because the child that died is always going to be here, put on this pedestal, where these other children don't really get the,

Speaker 2 I mean, they still get love from their parents, but not like

Speaker 2 the focus that, you know, where a living person is. And they take, I think, I think the parents then take for granted the

Speaker 2 kids that are still living because everybody wants to know why. Why? Why did they go? What happened? And you focus so much on that.
And everybody does it, right? It happens.

Speaker 2 Even in a breakup, like, what, what the fuck did I do? What do we, what, what, what, what, what? And you focus on that, you know, a couple months go by, you're, you're okay. But the death of a child,

Speaker 2 I mean, that could go on for a long time, go on for a lifetime. Yeah.
Most, I'd say most people probably can't recover from something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, and they never fully recover, and they, and I don't think they're ever going to be the same either.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, it's something with them is going to change, yeah, that would mess me up, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, can you imagine? I mean, how old are you? 28. Yeah, I'm about to have kids soon, get married this year.
Can you imagine? Like,

Speaker 2 it'd be gnarly, dude. Like, just you're like, fuck, man.
It's, it's, uh, it's a, it's a, that's one of the worst.

Speaker 2 It is the worst thing of, of my job is to, is to see a child or

Speaker 2 any type of person under the age of 18.

Speaker 2 not that when you hit 18 it's like it's better but i think it

Speaker 2 you cope a little bit better you you know from from my standpoint i can cope better with an 18 year old than i can a 10 year old yeah because they've lived some life it's it's not like

Speaker 2 like 10 you haven't lived at all really yeah i mean you yeah you haven't done much you haven't done much you know and i think people take that for granted you know so um they're you know

Speaker 2 everybody is so worried about this and that and this and that. You know,

Speaker 2 do what makes you happy. Yeah.
Cause you're not promised tomorrow. No, 100%.
Yeah. If time flies, man.
Dude, I mean, I mean, think about it. 10 years ago, you were 18.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just out of high school, right? Yeah. And now you're doing all this in just 10 short years.
I know. My reunion is this year, 10-year reunion.
I can't believe it. I mean, it's crazy, right?

Speaker 2 I got so many memories from high school. It feels like yesterday.
Yeah. And I'm sure you're just like, what the fuck? Like, how did did it even become this?

Speaker 2 And now, like you said, you're about to have kids and marriage. And you're about to be fucking 30.
And next thing you know, you're going to be 40 and 50. You're like, where did this go? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I wish I would have done this. I wish I would have done that.
Even me, who lives like that? I, I mean, I do. I live my life

Speaker 2 as

Speaker 2 day by day as possible. And like, fuck it, no regrets.
But there's even times where I'm like, fuck, man, I'm going to be 50 this year. Like, what happened? Damn.
Where am I at? Yeah. Like, holy shit.

Speaker 2 Crazy. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 Has your view on death changed since starting this line of work?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, in the beginning, I was just more of a,

Speaker 2 I was more of a, this is a paycheck. Let's get it going.

Speaker 2 I would eat at the scene because I

Speaker 2 could care less. And now I think it's like, wow, dude, I see so much.
In fact,

Speaker 2 I've gotten to the point now where

Speaker 2 I try not to go to scenes anymore because it has, I think, I think I got some PTSD from it. I mean,

Speaker 2 you definitely have. There's no way you don't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just,

Speaker 2 it's fucking my head quite a bit. So I try to stay away from it.

Speaker 2 I have a good business partner

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 when I started the company, he came on shortly after and

Speaker 2 you know, worked out a little deal. And he, and David is, he's an amazing dude.

Speaker 2 And he, he takes care of a lot of that, knowing what I have to go through.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 because of that, you know, I owe a lot to David too, because without David, I don't think we'd be doing as well as we are either.

Speaker 2 And I buy little smaller companies that, you know, when they pop up, I try to buy them and, you know, people that

Speaker 2 have

Speaker 2 some coming, but

Speaker 2 they're not. doing as the volume that we're doing.

Speaker 2 Because a lot of people think they can do this business a lot. A lot of people they can do, they can do this job.
And then they get there and they hold their first eyeball and it sets into reality.

Speaker 2 I've had people faint, grow up, pass out, you know, and I'm out of shape. I don't want to be carrying you like a firefighter.

Speaker 2 And then I'm out of breath and I'm discombobulated and I'm having to drink water and I'm irritated. I'm like, fuck, this sucks.
Yeah. Damn, you actually had someone like pass out.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 One of my first, first jobs, this guy walks in and he's like, I could do it.

Speaker 2 I've seen this in the streets and that in the streets we get in there and he starts doing this and I'm like don't don't you pass out I swear he's a big dude and he did he passed out dragging him and dragging him and I'm out of breath and I'm I get outside and I'm throwing up because I'm out of breath and you're in the suits so in the suits it's 22 degrees hotter in the suits holy crap yeah and and you're sweating and and and you know you're you have a respirator on so you're not getting as much oxygen either.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's, it's miserable. Jeez.
It's fucked. That seem must have been something else for a street guy to throw up like that or pass out like that.

Speaker 2 And then and then you're, you're, you're, you know, your deodorant starts to wear off.

Speaker 2 So now you're musty and you're in the suit and you're just, you're like, dude, enough, dude, like enough, you know? Yeah. So

Speaker 2 I don't think that scene was that bad.

Speaker 2 It was a, it was a homicide or it was a, this guy tried to kill his wife and she ended up living and he ended up shooting and killing himself and there was just blood everywhere.

Speaker 2 He had chased her all over and he shot himself? Shot himself. Yeah.
Yeah. He was a he was a cop, too.
Jeez. He was a correction officer.
And he fucking smoked himself. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 After shooting his old lady.

Speaker 2 Do you think your PTSD was a compilation of all the scenes, or was it specific ones that really? I just think it was a compilation of everything, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, you see all this shit and these kids and this and that. And

Speaker 2 you're like, fuck, dude. You know? Yeah.
And, you know, there's other shit too. There's, there's, um,

Speaker 2 there's my natural life that happens. You know what I'm saying? So you got natural life going on, right?

Speaker 2 Plus, all this other shit. So, so, yeah, it's a compilation, but I think the scenes are for sure.
Did it. Have you found any methods on kind of healing that or helping in any way?

Speaker 2 Psychedelics. Have you tried those?

Speaker 2 So, um, I'm sober. I don't drink.
I don't, I don't do any drugs. I don't do any of that

Speaker 2 because I like to be in control. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 a lot of people have been telling me that I need to micro dose mushrooms. Yeah.
That it is, does wonders for PTSD.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 actually,

Speaker 2 a buddy of mine, Billy, that used to work for the UFC, him and Dana swear by, you know, micro-dosing for PTSD really, really does help.

Speaker 2 But I'm nervous and I'm on a fucking bad trip.

Speaker 2 You can't have a bad trip on a microdose.

Speaker 2 No? No.

Speaker 2 for sure i mean i've never heard of it i've met hundreds of people that have microdose i microdose oh yeah um you could probably have like weird feelings but if in order to have a bad trip you have to be hallucinating you have to be on a full dose

Speaker 2 so micro dosing is just a small dose and yeah so what does it do you're taking one tenth of an actual dose okay so you still get like a little like It's hard to explain, but you're not seeing anything.

Speaker 2 You're not hallucinating. So what is exactly does it do then? Just rewires your brain.

Speaker 2 i don't know the exact science behind it to be honest there's more better people that can explain that do you feel like what you take it for whatever it is that it helps that specific yeah i take it for productivity and if i need like um just inspiration gotcha so i'll take it like maybe once a month okay i know some people take it every day some people take it once a week not they're dealing with more major issues like ptsd anxiety depression so

Speaker 2 yeah well i have done a full dose too and that pretty much cured my mental issues Really? In Amsterdam, where it's legal. Yeah.
No, shit. Yeah.
So you went to Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 That wasn't the main intention. We were just there.
I was young, stupid, and you could walk in and buy it. Sure, sure.
Yeah. But it helped a lot with my mental health.
No, shit.

Speaker 2 I don't have any anxiety anymore, actually.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I, I, that's why I quit drinking and everything else because my fucking anxiety from this fucking job is just put me through the roof. Oh, I bet.
You know, where I'm just like on edge.

Speaker 2 Yeah, drinking probably makes it way worse. Oh, it's so bad.
Yeah. It's so bad.
And then, you know, my, my, my younger brother was killed,

Speaker 2 murdered. So I had that going on.
You know, my relationship with my mother wasn't the greatest. My relationship with baby mothers weren't the greatest.
I mean, it just, it was fucking piling up.

Speaker 2 Then I started doing this job. And the next thing you know, I'm fucking everybody that even looks at me in a different way.
I think they're fucking want to kill me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, it's just weird. So you were paranoid.
Paranoid for sure.

Speaker 2 Well, not, yeah, something like that, but more anxiety, just fucking heart palpitations, just like fuck, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die.

Speaker 2 And I was going to the hospital, and they're like, dude, there's nothing wrong with you. What the fuck is wrong with you? You know, you're, yeah, your heart's fucking fine.

Speaker 2 Like, you need to chill, man. And, and, uh, so I went to therapist and I did this and I did that.
And

Speaker 2 um, I quit drinking and smoking all in the same day. Cold turkey, fucking no meetings, no nothing.
And that helped

Speaker 2 by 80%, to be honest with you um you know and then i was able to start slow breathing in through my nose out through my mouth counting um

Speaker 2 so i got it pretty well under control at this point but it's not like it's not perfect i can tell you that it's it's still there's still

Speaker 2 but i would definitely try micro dosing if but it just makes me nervous yeah i can feel that there's a lot of relation with physical health and mental health too

Speaker 2 Yeah. So if your physical like health is terrible, like there's a good chance your mental health.
Yeah, I eat like shit. I eat horrible.
Yeah. So that's probably.

Speaker 2 I'm also, when you're at a crime scene, it's not like you can just bring your lunch, right? Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because it takes a full day to clean up, right? Oh, it could take weeks to clean up. Weeks? Weeks.
Holy crap. Weeks.
Damn. I mean, it depends.

Speaker 2 It's so you can only, per OSHA regulations, you can only be in these suits for

Speaker 2 depending on the temperature outside. But the longest you want to be in those suits is 50 hours or 50 minutes.
Okay. So you have have to come out of the suits.
You have to hydrate.

Speaker 2 You have to take a 15-minute break. You got to cool down.
Let the body rehab. Make sure everything is good.
You don't want your kidneys to start failing right.

Speaker 2 And so the hotter it is outside, the less time you can be in the suits.

Speaker 2 So it variables in the wintertime. You stay a little bit longer.
We usually do about an hour in the suits. But in the summertime, 30 to 45 minutes.
Damn. Yeah, it's like a sauna in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then you got these latex gloves on and they're doubled up, right? And we got booties on. And, you know, you'll peel peel your gloves off and it's just, it's just a full glass of water coming out.

Speaker 2 Holy crap. You're sweating that much.
Oh, you're sweating bad. Damn.
Bad, bad. Yeah.
I wonder if they can invent something more efficient, but it'd be tough. It'd be tough, man.

Speaker 2 Those latex gloves are, they're fucked, dude. They're so bad.
You're so bad. Holy crap.

Speaker 2 I mean, you sweat and the suit doesn't make, you know, because we put them underneath and then it's taped up and it's taped up. So there's no way of air getting in at all.
Damn.

Speaker 2 And then you have this respirator and it slows down your breathing. And so

Speaker 2 it's tough. Jeez.
It is tough. You mentioned agencies earlier.
So you're getting calls from agencies to clean these up sometimes? So each county is different, right?

Speaker 2 So LA County, it is against the law for any agency to give you

Speaker 2 work.

Speaker 2 And the reason is, is that let's say the coroner's office says,

Speaker 2 here you go this is who we recommend and we do something that is unethical or we do something that is

Speaker 2 not up to par whatever mistakes happen right yeah

Speaker 2 la county coroner does not want to be responsible for what a private company does it's cover your ass right we get it so In those types of counties, they will hand them a paper with a list of

Speaker 2 five different companies on there. And they'll go,

Speaker 2 here's a list of companies that we know

Speaker 2 throughout or you can look on the on the on the california crime scene practitioner list and go from there and then they'll pick and choose oh got it you know depending on your seo and where you're at uh

Speaker 2 you know google is your your best bet

Speaker 2 uh people use google a lot um word of mouth is also you know pretty good um

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 yelp which sounds crazy that people go on Yelp, but they do. They go on Yelp for this?

Speaker 2 That's crazy. I go on Yelp for restaurant reviews.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 They go on Yelp and they leave. I mean,

Speaker 2 every business has, every business in the world has good reviews and bad reviews. Everyone.
Facts. Just some have more.
I have a really good.

Speaker 2 I think that's 4.9, which is probably the highest you can get. I got one or two bad reviews.
You can't please everyone. No.
And remember, a loved one just died.

Speaker 2 So you're not in your right state of mind. There might be things that I've told you, and you have just missed it.
Right.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, fuck, I don't remember you saying that.

Speaker 2 Well, listen, I've been doing this a long time. I'm not going to lie to you.
This is what it is, you know.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 you know, and then there's times that we, I got a bad review from a guy that

Speaker 2 his

Speaker 2 wife

Speaker 2 was killed by her boyfriend. Damn.

Speaker 2 So it was his wife.

Speaker 2 They were estranged. Oh, okay.
So it was his wife was dating a new guy

Speaker 2 and the guy beat her with a hammer in front of his kids. What?

Speaker 2 And the guy was a pedophile.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the husband said, can I ask you a question? And I said, sure. He goes, you know, am I a bad father? for allowing my kids to be around that guy.
And I said, you do not want me to answer that question.

Speaker 2 Let's just move on to,

Speaker 2 you know, what we're doing here. No, no, I need to hear this.
Are you a father? I am. Okay.

Speaker 2 At the time, I was married. Are you married? Yes.
Okay. What would you have done? I said, I would never allow a child molester to be around my kids.

Speaker 2 So he was on the list, like the child offender list? Yeah. And he knew that.
And he knew it. So I said, so he says, so you're saying it's my fault.
And I go, you asked me a question.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you, this, I would never allow that.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 fuck you. fuck your kids.
I hope, I hope this happens to you. I mean, just lost this shit.
And I go, well, again,

Speaker 2 and he's just jamming at me and jabbing at me. And fuck your kids.
And I can't, I'll kill them too. I mean, just, and I said, it's no wonder that your old lady got beat by a pedophile.

Speaker 2 Just, you know, just to dig it in. So I got a bad review for that.

Speaker 2 And I'll accept that. You know, I shouldn't have said that.
But it got personal without. Yeah, fuck.
You start threatening my kids. What do you think is going to happen, right?

Speaker 2 You poked the bear so many times, it's going to happen. Everybody has a breaking point, you do too.
I mean, you're the most mellow,

Speaker 2 probably, dude. I got a point, yeah, but you had a point too, right? Yeah, somebody keeps poking and poking you.
It's hard to get me angry, though.

Speaker 2 I'll say that, but you, but you have, I do have a tippy point, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure if you threaten someone I really care about, sure, right?

Speaker 2 You said you're about to get married, somebody threatens your, your fiancé, you're going to lose it, you lose your shit.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, at that point, you go into it, doesn't matter how big they are, how bad they are. Fire, flight, yeah, you're going to do what you have to do.
Yeah. You know, and, or die trying, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So bad reviews are unavoidable.
I used to stress over them, but I did too. You literally can't please everyone.
You could have the best service or product. You just can't do it, man.

Speaker 2 And, you know,

Speaker 2 somebody gave me some advice one time. And

Speaker 2 he says, it's actually my son. My son is 23 years old.
He's got a master's degree in psychology.

Speaker 2 And he says to me, Dad, look,

Speaker 2 you're so worried about these

Speaker 2 two bad reviews. Like you want to, because I asked him, should I go back and say my side of it? And he's like, for what?

Speaker 2 Like, for what?

Speaker 2 All you're doing is rehashing it. These are years ago.
You're just rehashing it. And you're rehashing old wounds for them too.
Leave it alone.

Speaker 2 And so since he told me that, he's like, what do you care? Like, what do you care? Those people do not make your life.

Speaker 2 Everybody else who knows you and knows who you are and the kind of man you are and the kind of father you are, they don't care. And he's right.
Right. What do I care? So I live by that.
I love that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I really only value opinions of people I respect or care about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I'll listen to them. I think it's important to listen to

Speaker 2 I think it's important to listen to everybody's side of opinion because there's things that, you know, learning every day is important.

Speaker 2 When you stop learning and you think you're a know-it-all, that's, that can become, yeah, you know, problem. I see that battle with a lot of successful people with their ego.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you think because you've made three, four, five, six, ten million dollars that you can stop learning. I've seen people lose 10, 20 million dollars.

Speaker 2 I mean, big athlete, look at them. Same.
Right. Just lose millions.
And you go, how in the fuck did you lose? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, beneath it's, it's, it boggles my mind, but it also boggles my mind how somebody could be a heroin addict but it happens you know um so yeah i get it i guess it used to really boggle my mind when i see people lose money like that but now that i'm getting closer and actually hearing their perspective on the podcast it's like yeah that could happen to almost anyone you know a divorce here or there and then a bad financial investment you know you get wrecked one bad financial investment is can ruin you yeah i've i've lost so i've lost my money twice now and i'm only 28 so it's like damn i got some.

Speaker 2 I'm glad I got that perspective because some people that never happens to until they're like 40 and they got kids. But you needed that, right? Oh, I needed it.
You needed it.

Speaker 2 I was making millions and cocky. Right, right.
Yeah. And just thought you were just untouchable.
Untouchable. And then you lost it.
You're like,

Speaker 2 yeah. And I lost it because of my own mistake.
That's the thing. It wasn't like I randomly lost it.
It was my fault. So you got to take accountability for it too.

Speaker 2 And do you, do you, do you, did you, you feel like you learned from that? Oh, yeah. I'm so careful with what I invest in now.
I just made some really stupid investments.

Speaker 2 I got really emotional with some of them. And nah, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 I'm glad you said it because that was, that's the biggest thing: there's no emotion in an investment. Yeah.
Take, you have to take the emotion out of it. You have to.
If you don't, you're fucked.

Speaker 2 You're fucked. And that's why I keep friendships and investment separate now.

Speaker 2 It's mandatory. I've lost some friends.
So I mean,

Speaker 2 my son and I, we had this conversation and he would say to me, why do you loan this person 50 bucks when you know they're not going to pay you back?

Speaker 2 I said, because

Speaker 2 that person will duck and dodge me for 50 bucks forever. And I never have to worry about this person asking me again for shit.
It was worth, for me, it was worth to lose the 50 bucks. Right?

Speaker 2 Because you kind of know where people are, because I've had people come to me and want me to invest in this harebrain thing.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, no. Oh, you're different because now you've made money and you're, you know, oh, money's changed you.
And it's like, no, motherfucker, I just don't want to invest in that.

Speaker 2 Like, that's crazy. You know what I'm saying? So,

Speaker 2 you know, if it's that great of an idea, draw me up a business proposal. Let me read it.

Speaker 2 Well, why? I'm just telling you. No, no, no.
Do it right. This is what a bank would want to see if you were going to go in, right? And ask for a loan.
And and it's like but you're not a bank

Speaker 2 well then why are you asking me for a loan you know

Speaker 2 or invest in in in you know one of your hair brain you know whataburgers so yeah they never drop the plan once you ask for it i've never had i've i've never had a person when i say hey man draw it up let's do it let's check it out never had

Speaker 2 never with a business plan never not one time But if you're not willing to put

Speaker 2 in the weeks and hours and days that it takes to drop a business proposal. What the fuck do I want to get into business with you for

Speaker 2 long-term business? Fuck out of here. You plan on transferring this to your son one day, or are you going to sell it before then? He doesn't want it.
Why? None of my kids want it. Did you ask them?

Speaker 2 Why? I've asked every one of them, and they're just not into any of it. They don't want any part of the death, the they don't, they just don't want it.

Speaker 2 So I'll probably end up selling it as a, as a, as a, as a whole, or piecing out each office.

Speaker 2 But I'd like to sell it as a whole one day, you know, eventually. Or David can take it.
Is there like a big nationwide company that does this that would buy this?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So Aftermath is the biggest, they're the Walmart of this.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 issue is, is that

Speaker 2 they are not well liked with the insurance companies because of their billing practices.

Speaker 2 They throw a lot of red flags. In fact, I have been asked multiple times by insurance companies to review their bills.
Really? Yeah, and they pay me to do that.

Speaker 2 So they just overinflate numbers or big time. Damn.
Big time. That's not cool.
I mean, I think they feel like because insurance is big money, right?

Speaker 2 That's true, too. Yeah, it's both sides of the story, right? Yeah, but you know, you got to look at it, right? Insurance is

Speaker 2 a scam. Pretty much, yeah.
The more I get older, the more I realize. The minute that you try to use your homeowner's insurance, it's a fucking act of Congress to get something to do.

Speaker 2 You got to fight for it. But they want their payment, you know, and then you have somebody die in your home, which is like usually

Speaker 2 not

Speaker 2 the fault of your own. Right.

Speaker 2 And then it's like, it's, it's jumping through hoops to get these people.

Speaker 2 I had to fight when my car got broken into. Yeah, right.
I had to fight with lemonade. Talking about, you know, a window and a few whatever personal items you had in there or whatever.

Speaker 2 And they don't want to do it. They don't want to pay for it.
They actually, dude, they're starting to do this. They stalk your social media.
Isn't that crazy? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so my car got broken into. Right.
They were stalking my social media to see if I was using the car for business

Speaker 2 because it was personal insurance, personal commercial insurance. So they found I posted one time I was transporting like sports cards in my car.
Right. So I didn't get the full claim because of that.

Speaker 2 Isn't that crazy? I think that they are going to in. So in California, a lot of insurance companies have moved out of California and stopped covering anybody or anything in California.

Speaker 2 Yeah, after the fires, right?

Speaker 2 Well, even before the fires, they just pretty much told them, no, fuck you. Take us to court.
Yeah. And then

Speaker 2 you're wrapped up in court for four or five years before you get anything. Meanwhile, the property is empty.
Your personal property is gone. You have nothing.
Damn.

Speaker 2 So that's probably making your job really hard, right? I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, yes. Because Cali's your biggest market, right? Cali's my number one market for sure.
Damn. For sure.
You know, Vegas, everybody thinks that Vegas is like

Speaker 2 crazy, but remember, Vegas sweeps everything under the rug. Right.
Like where LA County gets 12%, you guys probably get six if you're lucky. All the people that die in hotels, we sign nine

Speaker 2 NDAs, right? We can't discuss the any hotel that anybody dies in at any time that is not national news,

Speaker 2 like, you know, the

Speaker 2 Route 66 or Route 91. Like, of course, that was televised.
Anything else, you're never going to hear about it. I've never seen a single news article about a Vegas hotel death.
Of course not.

Speaker 2 And I know it's happening. And multiple times a week.
Yeah. There's a lot of overdoses, suicides.
Yeah. A lot.
That's why they removed balconies. People were jumping off.
That's right.

Speaker 2 Because what they do is people are like, well, this is my last hoolah. I'm going to go to Vegas and get some blow and fuck some hookers.
And then I'm going to fucking, I'm going to check out.

Speaker 2 It happens all the time. Damn.
But they don't, they, you'll never hear about it. Never.
No.

Speaker 2 No, because then it, then it, it deters people from coming to the hotel. Yeah, it ruins business.
Fuck, death is bad.

Speaker 2 Nobody wants to know, you know, if somebody died, drowned in your pool, this, that.

Speaker 2 Nope. Yeah.
Close that whole floor off, get a company in there, get it back to normal before you even know. Damn, they'll close the whole floor.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe a section, but yeah, they don't want anybody on there. Wow.
While we're on there, they'll close it all down.

Speaker 2 They want us to come in all plain vehicles, pull around the back, because most of our trucks have crime scene cleaner across the theater you got to remove the flashing lights well we have we have vehicles that are just plain for that reason

Speaker 2 and you can't even wear shirts or

Speaker 2 wow nope and you come at nighttime when everyone's sleeping depends but yeah i mean we'll come in in regular regular

Speaker 2 clothes and you know we'll run up service elevators and yeah damn how do you take the body down without people seeing no we don't touch the body oh you don't corner oh god no no no touches the body we just take the parts or the the remnants of what was left got it yeah so we take it down we have a uh like a 96 gallon uh trash can right you put out in front of your yard we have those and they're red

Speaker 2 um which equals biohazard so take those down service elevators where nobody else is and oh yeah they they're not gonna they're not gonna take shit that's not and you know what else does that too is airports do that a lot really people die at airports people die in airports all the time wow oh d's a lot i did not expect that yep ODs at airports.

Speaker 2 I wonder why they're doing it at the airports. I think people get anxiety or, you know, and able to fly.
They need to,

Speaker 2 whatever it is. I'm just guessing, right? Yeah.
I don't like to fly, but I have to take an anti-anxiety medication. Really? Like, fuck, it freaks me out.
Damn. Especially these days, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. I mean, what was there? 82 crashes since 2025 started? 82.
Crazy.

Speaker 2 That's like the most in FAA history. And I hate to say it, but I I feel like it's only going to get worse.

Speaker 2 I mean, these planes are 30 years old, right? They're being maintained as well.

Speaker 2 Look at the job market, right? Where kids these days don't give a fuck, right, about what they do, what makes it any different, building airplanes or... Well, they rushed a lot of them.

Speaker 2 Building cars, right? Even the newer ones, I'm not even faithful in those. Yeah.
I mean, the private jets, right? All that shit. You think, oh, a private jet, way safer.
Technically, it's not.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Actually kind of worse.
I tried to drive everywhere. I just drove to Sedona.
It It was like five hours, but I'd rather do that than fly there. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, you can do it at your own pace.

Speaker 2 You could just chill, enjoy the ride, you know, depending on who you're with. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, facts. All that matters.

Speaker 2 Dude, it's been fun. Where can people watch you, watch your podcast, and keep up with you, man? Yeah.
Dying to see me is my Instagram and my podcast. I kind of...

Speaker 2 quit doing shows for about six months. I had my mom passed away.
I had just a bunch of life bullshit happening, but I just got my studio built. I was talking to you about it.
Yep, it's my own studio.

Speaker 2 I own the property. I own everything, so now I don't have to jump around because it's a lot.
But yeah, dying to see me on Instagram and Spotify and YouTube and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 You can find me on there. And

Speaker 2 yeah, we'll have to get you to come on there. And I mean, I'm going to be out here too doing some filming.
So, yeah, we'll line it up, man. Thanks for coming on today.
That was fun.

Speaker 2 Thanks for having me. Yeah, check them out, guys.
Check out the pod. See you guys next time.
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