The Secret to Exploding Your Twitter Engagement | Elf DSH #1316

like that so that's i got a lot of hate early on in my career when i first came to twitter

because i was leaking edges like i was like streaming live arbitrage calling in an infinite money glitch on twitter and all these posts are like what the fuck are you doing dude that's their livelihood that's their livelihood you know i didn't i had a full-time job i was just loving life you know so it is what it is right All right, we got Elf in the building. What's up? How we doing? We played some basketball last night.
We did, yeah. I'm not a big baller, but I did pretty well in the gym.
You had a couple nice layups. I did, yeah, until I got hurt, rolled the ankle a little bit.
Your boy was sniping, too. He was, yeah.
We had a good squad. We did troll the first, we lost the first game, but we came back and won the second one.
So all good there. Absolutely.
Out here in Vegas for a month now, right? Yeah. Out here for a month.
Fight camp, fight camp. I'm fighting Sean Perry in a month.
Uh, it's my first boxing fight and yeah, I'm ready to go. I mean, I can't stand that guy.
He's like the one person on earth that I actually have beef with that I don't like enjoy speaking with. I'm a nice kid, but Sean Perry, just, I can't stand him at all.
So he's like the one person I'll fight. And at first you guys were cordial, right? He used to hop on your spaces and you were chill.
Yeah. He used to hop on the spaces.
Um, you know, I didn't realize that like no one really likes him here in Vegas until people started complaining about him being on the show all the time. And initially, so we were friends because he would come on the show and we would talk.
Right. I have a Twitter show.
Yeah. And he was beefing with this with a famous gambler named Mozzie.
And Des Bryant was on this space and they were talking shit to each other, as most people do on my show. And then they're like, fuck it.
Let's just fight each other. Why are we talking? Let's just fight.
So we all booked a flight the next day to Vegas. Well, they live in Vegas.
I booked a flight from Boston. Dez Bryant booked a flight.
We went to this gym and watched them fight. So I was in Vegas.
That was the first time I ever went to Vegas. It was like, that was March 18th.
So pretty recent.

And we watched them fight.

And it was like my,

it was one of my biggest shows ever.

It has like,

I think it has like 600,000 views on my page,

on my Twitter page.

So it was big.

It was a big show for me.

And yeah,

it was awesome.

It was great content.

It was the first like fight from gambling Twitter to occur.

And yeah,

it was a big event.

Who do you think won that fight?

I mean,

Perry won for sure.

I mean,

Mozzie, there are some memes of him like stuck in between the ring and the wall. I've never seen anything like it.
I'll give Perry his flowers. He won that fight.
He's not going to beat me. There's no chance.
And he's also probably not going to make weight because he's like fat now. He's like really fat out of shape.
He doesn't take his health seriously at all. So he's going to make weight.
So he's probably going to not, he's probably going to forfeit the purse. So my, my backers might get free rolled, but he won the fight against Mozzie.
So yeah, his shirtless videos are wild. Yeah.
I don't know why he posts shirtless videos. And my least favorite ones are the one in his spandex.
We could see his camel toe. If I have to see one more camel toe photo of Sean Perry, I think I'm going to kill myself.
I can't do it. Yeah.
It's awful. When did the actual beef start? Was it after the Mozzie fight? It was, yeah, it was after the Mozzie fight.
I mean, we were cool. You know, he was putting me up in the, in the Rio.
He sponsored one of my shows for $10,000. He gave me cash.
We gambled it on a show and I made 1.5 K with the 10 K. You know, he was fine.
We were cool. and I'm trying to, they're they're trying to rematch right for 500k and perry wants him to like sign a contract and do all this like stuff official mozzy doesn't want to do any of that he wants to bring 500k to the gym so they're kind of like both avoiding each other perry's like sign the contract mozzy's like bring the cash and i'm the host of the show right it's all going down on my show.
So I'm trying to mediate this, this mess. And Perry keeps talking over everyone.
He's talking over Des Bryant. He's talking over Mazi and no one else can get a word in.
So I kicked him from the space temporarily. And then once I did that, he just crashed out on me on Twitter.
He's like, this little boy elf is a clown. Like I made him, which is just not true at all.
He's like delusional.

He thinks he makes everyone he interacts with.

My show was fine before him.

Uh,

he called,

yeah,

he's just so disrespectful to me on Twitter and he's just talking shit.

And I started firing back.

Um, and he doesn't know how to,

he doesn't know how to like be it's with him.

It's either you're his friend or you're his enemy.

So once I was his friend and then I kicked him from the space just to, so other people can speak now I'm his enemy. And then, and we called on the phone and there was like videos being leaked of him and stuff like that.
He's like, do you know anything about these? I was like, no, I don't. And then we started fighting on the phone for like an hour.
And I'm like, I was like, fuck you, dude, let's just fight. Like, let's just hop in the ring.
You know what I mean? You and Masi did it. Let's do it.
And he said, he's down. So, so I'm training now.
I'm training with the number 14 fighter in the U S angel Barrientes for the bantamweight. He's training me.
I got some good training. I got a good work ethic.
If we fought tomorrow, Sean would kill me, but we're fighting in a month. So he's fucked.
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Yeah, because he's got weight on you, right? He's got weight on me. He's got experience on me.
He's got more training than me at the moment. But in a month, all that won't matter because I'm more athletic than him.
So I'll be, I'll be good. Were you athletic growing up? Yeah, I was.
Yeah. I played Academy soccer on a, on like the top New York, New York team called New York soccer club.
So a few of my teammates are now professional players. Like the Sands twins, I played with them.
Dante Polvara plays in Europe. These are my teammates.
You had good cardio, great cardio. Yeah.
And boxing's all cardio, but it's a different type of cardio than soccer. Right.
Very, very different. You know, cause you know, you get hit in the face, your cardio drops like half, you know what I mean? You're like, Oh, I got a like minor concussion now, you know? So I've been sparring people and they just been kicking my ass for like three rounds.
And I'm like, wow, like that hurt. You know what I mean? But it's all part of the game.
You know, like I was talking to my coach and he's like, it's like touching a hot stove. You know, if you touch the hot stove once, you're not going to do it again.
Right. So that's the idea.
You spar, you get hit, you learn rinse and repeat. Everyone's calling him out now.
I wonder if he'll fight you and fight others. I don't know what the deal is.
Everyone wants to fight him. No one likes this guy at all.
Like literally everyone wants to fight him, but they got to wait their turn after me. You know what I mean? So you're up first for sure.
I'm next, yeah. Unless Mozzie wants to fight like before our fight, then he's got all rain, but they want to do it for 500K.
And like I said, they're not going to, Sean's not going to bring half a million liquid to a gym in Vegas. It's just not smart.
It's not smart. It's not only smart because he's saying like Mozzie might rob him, but someone else in Vegas might rob him.
100%. If you have a million liquid in a gym in Vegas, who's to stop some gang to roll up, just run the place, leave with a mill and just take their chances? Why not? People would do that.
People do that for less. Way less.
Way less. Probably 100K people would do that.
Yeah. So I mean, unless unless you're gonna hire a ton of security then then you don't do that and i was like to sean you know i have connections with every single sports book and casino and in the in the u.s like that's that's how i do things right because you have a show people want to sponsor it they want that exposure so i have good relationships with a lot of casinos so i was like okay if you want we could do i'm I'm like, if you want, we can bring the 500K to Circa or something like that, put it in the booth and the winner can walk away with it.
You know what I mean? Like get Benson involved. And they just didn't want to do any of that.
They're not even open to negotiation. It's either contract through a lawyer or cash.
Both aren't going to happen. So you're in a stand zone.
And then for me, Perry's like, I'll fightk right I said okay I don't I don't have 100k liquid to fight you but I'll put up I'll put up 10k on myself and then I'll get some backers right so I'm like okay I'll sign the contract tomorrow you know send the contract he hasn't sent the contract he keeps texting me he's down he says his rib hurts I'm like all right whatever bro but he said he's 100% fight. So yeah.
And I'll put up 100K. I'll get backers easily.
Where are you guys doing it? Probably pound for pound. Pound for pound in Vegas.
Is that where the Mozzie one was? That was where the Mozzie one was, yeah. They'll be completely set up so that they have a whole streaming set up.
Like the only person streaming the Mozzie one was me on my phone, Twitter spaces. So that's like the beauty of Twitter spaces is there's so many speakers.
So if you hop on my show and you're speaking and people like you, you know, they'll click on your page and they'll look at it like what you do and stuff like that. So it incentivizes other people to speak and like larger accounts will hop in, they'll speak, they'll get a clip and then they'll leave.
Right. So, and I encourage that, you know what I mean? So I was streaming the whole fight and there's 10 speakers we have like full commentary almost and a stream of the fight without just on my phone you know what i mean so i was the only one streaming it and there was stuff on youtube tiktok afterwards but live i was the only person streaming it for my fight there'll be like a live stream like a proper one i'm getting commentators yeah like they should get kick or rumble involved or something yeah i'm down i mean we'll see what we can do with the sponsors or i mean you have good connects but um they i'm getting jeff to do to commentate like former barstool guy there's this guy the beak who comes on my show all the time he's got like a funny voice he's gonna commentate so we're gonna make it a spectacle that'll be cool it'll be fun but you know i'm taking this very serious yeah now how'd you grow your twitter because you You quit your job two months ago.
Yeah, I quit my job. It's all fast, right? Yeah, and I had a good job.
So we're going to make it a spectacle. It'll be cool.
It'll be fun, but I'm taking this very serious. Yeah.
Now, how'd you grow your Twitter? Cause you quit your job two months ago. Yeah.
I quit my job. Yeah.
And I had a good job. So I was an actuary.
I was making good money, like, uh, working at a large insurance company, like very cozy job. So it was definitely difficult quitting, but it was, uh, it was once that I started making more from content was when I started, it was when I quit my job.
That's what was the key. Um, so yeah, I mean, I grew my Twitter, Twitter loves just like consistency.
So if you post a lot on Twitter and you kind of find your niche. So like my niche was advantage gambling at first.
And now I've branched down to this Twitter show. And that's when my page, I guess like exploded.
Like the algorithm loves me. Like I can't, like I have like 17 K followers.
I can't tweet and not get like 50 K days. You know what I mean? So the algorithm loves me like I can't like I have like 17k followers I can't tweet and not get like 50k yes you know what I mean so the algorithm loves me but um Twitter just rewards consistency they'll put you in a niche and like you know based on how people react to your content they'll keep pushing it out so the way I really grew my Twitter was from these shows right and I haven't like I could just if I wanted just like spam giveaways, like follow retweet, but like those aren't real organic followers, like a real organic following is worth way more than just like a large number on a screen.
So I grew it just by grinding the app, posting good content, stuff that I know my followers will engage with and doing a show and people love the show. Like the engagement on the show is like through the roof.
So that's, that's the real way I grew it was through the show. I'll hop in sometimes and you'll have a thousand live people.
That's insane. Yeah.
It's, it's nuts. That's more than celebrities get on Instagram live.
Yeah. It's insane.
And there's like a running joke where like, I'm always like, oh, go follow the Elfie Instagram, but no one wants to leave Twitter. They just love the Twitter show.
So yeah, I mean, the show is great because it's not just me. Like we're doing a podcast.
My show, there'll be probably 20 to 30 unique speakers during one show. And everyone knows, like my loyal listeners, they know all these characters that come in and speak, right? Like there'll be people that come in and they're like, oh, this guy's a conspiracy theorist.
Like I know he's about to like stir up some drama or something like that. And he'll say something ridiculous.
And then I'll bring on people who I know hate this guy. And then they'll start with him.
And like the way I really grew my show from like a bottom up was if there was somebody talking about somebody on my show in a negative way, I would be on the side DMing that person. I would send them a link to my space and be like, bro, this guy just said you're a scammer.
Like he just said you stole a thousand dollars from this dude. So and then that would bait that person in.
Right. And then imagine like someone's talking shit about this person.
And I'm like, oh, no, here he is. Let's bring him up.
So I bring him up. And then the viewers like, oh, no, here we go.
Like it's about to be a war. And then there is war.
That happened with Sean Perry and Mickey Mace, right? That happened with Sean Perry and Mickey Mace. Yeah, they were going at it.
I could tell the full story if you want. So Sean Perry was crashing out on Twitter about Mickey Mace because he wanted to do a podcast with Mickey Mace and Mickey Mace wanted to charge him.
him that was it that was the only reason so then sean took that and said okay i'm allowed to slander your name slander your casino slander all your like sponsors and stuff like that so and by the way i was smaller account at the time right so sean reaches i reached out to sean and booked a show and then someone on my team reached out to mickey and we're like listen Mickey, like this guy's going to come on the show and say things about you. Like if you want, we want you to come on and defend your name.
Right. Like we don't want to just have one sided an argument.
Right. If someone, like I said, if someone's talking about someone, they deserve a right to speak on it.
So we reached out to Mickey and Mickey was like, okay, I'll do your show elf Elf, on one condition. The one condition is that Sean Perry

can never come on your show ever again, right?

So I'm like, all right, deal.

And Perry was like leaking my text on Twitter.

He leaked my phone number on Twitter.

I'm like, what is going on?

I have people texting and calling me like,

yo, Elf, your number got leaked.

I'm like, all right, fuck this guy.

We're doing the Mickey Mays show.

You know what I mean?

So, and I'm not on good terms with Sean Perry at this time.

So this is not the first time I've beefed with him now.

Mickey Mace comes on the show.

Great show.

Electric show.

The guy's like amazing to listen to.

Telling crazy stories about like peeing in girls' mouths.

Like my viewers loved it.

And then he leaves and we're still live, right?

And I had 1,500 people live on that show.

Book it with Trent's on the show. Jack Mack from Barstow's on the show.
Jeff Nadu's there. And we have like a few sharps as well.
Cause you know, I'm a sharp gambler and book it with Trent with 300,000 followers gets a call from Perry. And he's like, I'm on the phone with a red hot Sean Perry.
We need to bring him on the show. And I'm like, no, I can't.
Like I gave Mickey my word. You know what I mean? And there's 1500 people watching my show, like my loyal listeners.
And Trent goes, okay, if you don't do this show, I'm going to do the show with Perry. And I'm like, and he's like, I want to borrow Jack Mack, Nadu and Man of the Vig.
And all of them said they're down. So I'm like, oh my God.
god like do i literally risk losing my whole show right now or do i break my word to mickey mace you know what i mean then this and keep in mind mickey was so respectful so nice gave me an opportunity and came on my show he's much bigger than me uh so i i let parry on and i i like literally i like left the room i wasn't even involved with I just let them all go at it. I was like ashamed of myself almost like for letting them on.
But it was like in my I'm not justifying it because I did break my word to Mickey. But it was like in my opinion, it was like survival of the show versus like my word.
So I was like backed into a corner like you're risking losing your entire cast. You can't do that.
So that was the only time I broke my word. And that was kind of the Mickey May story of how, you know, we're not on good terms at the moment.
So yeah, it kind of sucked. That's when the grape allegations started too.
That is when the grape allegations started with Sean. And yeah, the next day, Mickey came back and made Sean address those grape allegations.
And he said he wasn't even aware of any of them and took a lie detector test about it. And yeah, that's all I'll say about that.
It's, it's yeah, there's nothing else for me to say really. That was the first defamation case you got hit with? No, that was the second.
So I was threatened to be sued for defamation. If I was going for slander defamation by Sean, if I released the episode with this this girl i was going to bring the girl on mickey mace back on and i called my lawyer and i was like am i allowed to do this episode because she doesn't have a police report she doesn't have there's no like factual basis to her whether the claim is true or not it doesn't matter like she can come on and tell the complete truth if she doesn't have a police report unfortunately like i'll get sued so that's what my attorney said and sean is texting me he's like if you do the show tonight i'm suing the fuck out of you and i'm and he's serious like he has the money to do it like he'll i don't have the money to compete with him in a lawsuit yeah so my attorney's like i was like can i get sued for this like i'm not even the one saying anything he's like it's not a matter of can you get sued he's like you will get sued and he's like where do you live? And I was like, Boston.
And he's like? Like, I'm not even the one saying anything. He's like, it's not a matter of can you get sued? He's like, you will get sued.

And he's like, where do you live?

And I was like, Boston.

And he's like, oh, you're not even in the state.

Like, they won't even like that.

You know what I mean?

So you'll be like an underdog.

And I'm like, oh, I can't do this.

So I pulled the plug.

And then Mickey was messaging me like, oh, you're a pussy for that.

Like, your lawyer's an idiot.

Like, you should have done the show, you know?

And Jeff Nadu was making the point of like, in content, sometimes it's better to be getting sued for something like this because it's like content. And I'm like, yeah, but I can't afford it.
You know what I mean? So I didn't do it. And yeah, so that was like the second time Mickey Mason, his eyes views that I burned him.
Right. But in my opinion, I protected all of us because now there's no ammunition for a lawsuit.
If you, if son shot. So yeah, that was, that was like, I think that was the second defamation case I was threatened with.
The first one was this guy cash out King. He's like the biggest scammer on the internet.
He was booking bets back like three, four years ago on the Lakers playoff series. Imagine like a team is like minus 600 to win the series.

I think they were up three to one.

And he's like, I'll book it at plus 100 Bitcoin only.

So everyone starts sending him a ton of money. This is a huge story.

Everyone starts sending him a ton of money.

Right.

And he just ran away with all the money.

There was a guy he stole $150,000 from.

And he came back to Twitter.

He bought this guy Meezy's account. He came back to Twitter and people are like, yo, Elf, he's back on Twitter.
Like get him on the show. It's like, all right, I'm gonna get him on the show.
So I get him on the show and he admitted to like six different federal crimes on the show that he wasn't charged with. And I'm like, what is going on here? Like what? This guy admitted to illegal bookmaking, scamming, wire fraud, like all on my show, recorded spaces.
You know what I mean? And I brought on the guy who he scammed $150,000 for and there's like proof of it. And do you know what this Cash Out King guy said? He said, if I had $10 million to my name, I wouldn't pay you back a cent.
I was like, what? That's insane. Like this guy did nothing to you.
He got scammed by you and you're going to do him dirty like that. And yeah, this Cash Out King guy is just existing on Twitter.
He's still scamming people. I'll get a DM every other week like, oh, this guy tried to scam me or he did scam me for like 3K.
He's got to get caught up one of these days. You would think so, but I mean, it would have happened by now.
He lives in a nice gated neighborhood one's pulling up on him or nothing. Yeah.
But apparently people did go to his house after he ran off with all the money he booked. And he moved? No, he still lives there.
That's crazy to me. Yeah.
The only thing he's been charged with is wire fraud. So he like legally owes someone like a hundred thousand.
But now he said on my show, he just keeps nothing in his name anymore. Like if he makes money, it's on his mom's name.
That's what a lot of scammers do. Yeah.
If you go to sue them, you can't collect. You can't collect.
Even if you win. So this guy legally owes people like hundreds of thousands of dollars and he's never going to pay them a cent back because his name has no money.
And he threatened you with defamation? Yeah. So he told me he threatened me with defamation many times because I would tweet about him and I'm like, you know, I'm like, this guy's a scammer suing you for defamation.
I'm like, do it. I'm like, I needed some new toilet paper.
So send me the lawsuit. That one I would take.
Because he's actually scamming. Yeah, he's actually scamming.
He's a criminal. No, I didn't say anything defamatory.
Everything I said was true and factual. So there's no defamation.
But the whole thing with Sean was that this, unfortunately, it's a bad situation, but she doesn't have a police report. So it's, I'm not saying like anything.
I'm just saying she doesn't have a police report. That's all I'll say.
Because it's a sensitive topic. Yeah.
And there's been two more after Sean? Yeah. I mean, Cash Out King's threatened me with two.
I've had one where someone, I don't want to name this person because it's like someone I'm closer with and they're big in the industry. They by accidently admitted to a crime that they did.
So they wanted me to delete the show. I said, no, I'm not deleting the show.
I'm not going to do that. And then they threatened me with defamation.
I'm like, there's no defamation. It's just you admitting to a crime.
Yeah. That's not defamation.
So you didn't say anything. Yeah.
I didn't say anything. And yeah.
So I'm like, no, I'm not deleting the show. Like imagine someone, you did a podcast with someone and then they told you to delete the podcast what are you gonna tell them i actually haven't ever done that well i mean if they do tell you that you should tell them to fuck off a couple people have um or like certain parts for legal reasons i'll do it but other than that i won't okay if there is legal reason then you would do it but if there's no legal reason you're not gonna said it, I mean, it's fair game.
Yeah, they said it. It is a recorded space.
The odds something actually happens are so low. You know what I mean? So the person's fine.
But yeah, those are the four. So Cash Out King threatened me twice, Sean Perry, and then one person that I won't name, but they admitted to a crime.
They told me to delete it. I said no.
Damn. Then there's the threat.
That's impressive because you're only a year in. Not even a not even a year three months in i mean if you watch my show and you see how much beef there is on the show you kind of understand like why i'm always in some heat you know what i mean so you're getting one a month yeah one i'm having yeah one one a month pretty much so do you have anxiety like how are you dealing with all that uh i don't know i'm a pretty calm person i.
Really? But I do get heated sometimes on my show. Yeah.

No, the first time I got threatened with the lawsuit was Cash Out King, and there was no basis to it at all.

Literally none.

This guy just admitted to crimes and said he was going to sue me.

I was nervous.

I was like, wow, this is like-

Yeah, the first lawsuit's the worst.

Yeah.

I was like, this is real now.

You know what I mean?

It's crazy to say, but I have a big platform now where can like influence a lot if i'm pushing an agenda yeah so i gotta be careful with these things but that was the first time and then luckily i got people in my corner so they were telling me like you're fine like we'll take it you know if anything happened like it'll be okay right so that calmed me down and i was like talking it over on my show. So like to Jeff Nadeau's point,

it's like,

oh,

it's content.

We spent an episode talking about like,

if this guy could sue me for like what he said on the last episode.

Bro,

my first lawsuit,

I couldn't leave my room for two months.

Really?

Like I was shitting myself.

Yeah.

It's scary.

And I didn't even have a lawsuit.

I've had threats of lawsuits.

You know,

I'm sure one will come and I'm not looking forward to it,

but yeah,

I'm trying to avoid it.

Well,

as long as you stay neutral, I think you'll be good. Yeah.
Okay. That's the idea.
That's my goal as the host is to stay neutral but stir up the pot between the characters. Get other people to beef.
But then you can't avoid it if you're the host. They'll blame you.
They'll blame you. I'm always the heel of everything.
If the show wasn't great or something, it's Elle's fault. I bring on a lot of scammers, right? But to get them on the show, I'm like, yo, I'll be neutral.
You know what I mean? I'm going to let you tell your story. Right.
And then my viewers are like, why aren't you, you know, why aren't you calling him out? And I'm like, it's not my job to call him out as the host. It's the viewer's job to like, listen, call him.
One, it's their job to call him out. And to also like get all the facts of the story so that they can understand it.
It's like otherwise i'll have a five second show yeah bring on a scammer call him a scammer he leaves the show and then what you have no content you know what i mean dude there's so many scammers in your space it's crazy yeah so many scammers and like there's people selling picks with no edge like that's like a scam by definition right because you're giving you're just guessing right you're You're betting into heavily vigged markets like right before game time. Right before the game starts is when the market is the most efficient in sports.
I rarely bet. No, I pretty much never bet right before game time.
Yeah, never. I'm usually betting openers like right when the line opens.
Wow. If there's an injury news, like I'm fast to it, right? Like I'm sitting at my PC all day sniping stuff, like i'm the first one to it yeah and then once i bet it they're gonna move the line so that no one else can bet it so you got to be super quick you can't just like like selling picks into the market is like it's like a unicorn you know what i mean like there are very there's probably like of like a hundred if you take a sample size of a hundred people selling picks, like right before game time, probably one person is beating the market and it could just be variants.
You know what I mean? That's crazy. It's so hard to beat because these books have so much information.
Their information is not within their trading team. It's with money coming in, sharp money.
That's how they move the line and shape the market. lot of the u.s books just copy the offshore ones that have high limits right so if pinnacle moves their line pinnacle is an offshore sports book with the highest limits if pinnacle will move the line they'll just copy pinnacle so they'll just get that information for free pinnacle had to pay someone to get that information and expect the value by taking that large bet and all the u.s books just copy it they're a book i know for a fact there are books they'll just look at pinnacle or bookmaker and just go right in between so that they're like they just they just don't look like anything on a hot screen like they can sit there and say all right we're well priced they didn't price it they just copied you know what i mean it's like it's like if you're taking a math test and you got an asian next to you who's like 4.0 GPA aces every test.
And you're like a B student. You know, you got decent traders.
But you can copy the Asian guy for free. What are you going to do? You're going to copy the Asian guy.
And you're going to make a ton of money. You're going to print.
And then anyone sharp, you think they have a pulse, you can just limit them. So I'm limited or banned from every single sportsbook in Massachusetts besides FanDuel.
That's the only one. And they haven't met 10% and I'm very grateful for that.
So yeah. Holy crap.
When you get banned, is it all at once or do they kind of spread it out? No, it's all spread out. So none of these books communicate with each other.
So like if you get limited on MGM, you're not going to be limited on DraftKings. It happens one at a time.
Like if you're like really cooking MGM or you could even be losing to MGM, but you're beating the closing line consistently, they'll limit you. Like I was limited on Caesars down $9,000.
Wow. They limited me.
I was like, what's going on here? It was a crazy point in my life. It was like January of last year, I had just started live arbitrage sports betting and I was betting, I was arbitraging Caesars lines to ESPN bets lines.
And this is when ESPN first launched. They were awful at their, their live lines were terrible.
And there was like no limits. So I was betting like a thousand dollars live during the NBA, like the college basketball games, just nuking it.
And I was de-risking on Caesars. So that's why I why i was dying down 9 000 to them but they they probably picked up that i was betting so much volume that it wasn't like real like wagering it was like someone arbing but even then they should know that i'm de-risking to them just paying them to offload my position from espn debt and they're just printing money off me because i don't want to have that risk of like you 30,000 in action on like random college basketball totals.
You know what I mean? So they must have an algorithm that detects stuff like that. Yeah.
So I think every book is different, but I think the way they tell with the live stuff now is like volume. So if you're making like five bets in an hour, like random stuff, like small market games, they'll know something's going on.
if you bet on a game twice like if if if you're i don't know like the the championship game right if you hit the total once and then you hit it again and again they're like why is this guy hitting it three times he already bet it once like what like a normal person they make one bet and they sweat that bet right but if a model is mispriced on a game they're going to be off all game usually on that price. So you could probably get it a few times.

So... bet right but if a model is mispriced on a game they're going to be off all game usually on that price so you could probably get it a few times so you know that's one other way they do it and yeah because if you're if you're on a limited account on draft kings you literally can't make the same bet twice on a game like if you wanted to bet like if the chiefs are playing and draft kings is off on the chiefs like off market bet their spread once, like in the first quarter, if you try to bet it again in the fourth quarter on like a, like a first tier limited account on DraftKings, they won't let you bet it again.
I'll say duplicate bet, but like anyone else could, but like if you're limited, you can't. Yeah.
And then there's the death limits on DraftKings, 1% limits, which is what they have me on now. Jeez.
You can't bet anything. How does that happen? I don't know.
It just happens from winning. You beat them and then they limit you.
How much were you up when they hit you? Not that much. Like 30,000 maybe.
For them, that's a lot though, right? Not really. The DraftKings, not a lot at all.
Well, they're used to everyone losing, I'd imagine. So if you're up 30K, they're like, what's going on here? Right.
30K with a very large sample size of bets, I think, is the key thing. So they know, like, okay, this guy, like, you can't beat this guy.
And, like, I was just grinding out, like, $100 bets, right? Just, like, I made, like, 30,000 bets last year. Holy crap.
Yeah. That's, like, what, 100 a day? 3,000? 30,000 bets? Yeah.
100 a day. And there are some days, like NFL days, when there's NFL, NBA, and hockey.
Some days I'd have like 700 bets on the day. Just literally on my PC all day, just sniping stuff.
That's insane. It's like the best days ever.
Yeah, I love those days. Holy crap.
It's so fun. Yeah, like 700 bets a day.
But if you think about it, though, if you have an edge, why would you make two bets a day? You wouldn't. For example, if you're a blackjack card counter, are you going to go into the casino and play one hand and leave? No.
You're going to play until they kick you out. It's the same thing with sports.
If you had an edge, if you really had an edge, you would grind it out all day. You know what I mean? Yeah.
So that's what I do. Has your edge ever got caught? Like has someone ever patch ever patched it yeah so I'll tell a crazy story so Fandle in March I made $70,000 on Fandle in one month on in March it was the most ridiculous edge I didn't find it a guy named NBA Greens on Twitter his name is Brett Feinstein he found it and told me about it it was a substitution angle and I can say this now because it's dead so if you try to do it sorry it doesn't work anymore but let's say lebron is playing right and at the end of the first quarter his line's 23 he gets subbed out and like the first quarter he'll get subbed back in like right before the first quarter ends or something if you take his under 23 and a half while he's on the bench his line would drop to 20 or even 19 so you would take his over before he came back in and right when he comes back in it's gonna pop back up to 23 so you would take his under when he gets subbed out take his over before he got subbed back in and we were getting three four point middles on every single player in the nba paying minus 110 minus 110 each side damn and i was wageringering like 1.2K on these bets on every single player.

And it was such a low variance strategy.

I was just printing money every day on FanDuel.

It was like amazing.

Yeah, so I was using like 10% account,

just printing money every day.

And at the end of the month,

we were making so much money. And the main reason why we got caught was because too many people found out about the edge.
Everyone was instructed to keep their mouth shut. You tell one person, that person will tell one friend that they know will keep their mouth shut.
And then that one person will tell one person, you know? So, and too many people found out with money. That was the issue.
So like, there was like 12 of us who all had money who were pounding this edge efficiently. Right.
So Fandle, every single time a player would get subbed, that would probably take like $20,000 on an under on a player prop. And they're probably like, what the hell's going on? You know what I mean? So it was, and then all these guys were making so much money.
They all took a trip to Arizona in an Airbnb and they were doing like 12

different accounts,

Fando accounts in the same Airbnb.

So,

and we're all on a discord call,

right?

Like talking,

okay,

this guy's going to get subbed out.

Like we're helping each other,

stuff like that.

And we knew the rotations,

like the back of our hand,

every single player in the NBA,

we knew when they were going to get subbed out and sub back in.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And we'd be on a discord call.

So we'd all be taking the same,

same action. And it was one by one.
I called it purge night. One by one, all of our accounts, 1% locked.
Like you've got contact customer support. You can't log in.
I had over $100,000 to my name locked out of FanDuel. Jeez.
It was like you said you were locked in your room for two weeks. I was so stressed.
Like I had like my whole betting bankroll locked out on FanDuel and it was awful. They thought I was the one in charge too.
Cause I was like the most popular Twitter account of all my friends at the time. They thought I had botted like seven accounts cause we're all hitting the same lines.
Oh, they hit you up? No, they didn't hit me up, but I had like a friend who worked for FanDuel at the time telling these things. And he was vouching for me.
He's like, no, they're not botting. Like they just have an edge, right? And this is the edge.
And he was telling them. But it takes like a lot to patch like a live player prop system, which they did in the off season.
But till the off season happened, they kind of just kept us locked. And then when they unlocked us, we were all like death limited.
How long was it locked? I was locked out of my fando account for like a week and a half with like my whole betting bankroll in there so i was like i was so stressed dude i sent them a lot i sent them a uh i don't know a letter of demand yeah to unlock my account they were like blowing me off for a full week like oh like just wait for them to respond to you as soon as i sent that letter of demand like you're illegally holding my money yeah they unlocked my account in two hours wow so i'm like okay like it was a bunch of bullshit you know they're playing there it's war right with them so they can use their terms of service to like bully you like keep your account suspended indefinitely until you do get that letter of demand and we sent it so yeah i made 70k off them in one month that's a smart strategy it was like the craziest month of my life you know did that work at other books or did that fanduel tell everyone else to uh it only worked on fandle because every other book uses like uh like swish analytics to do their player props but it worked better if you used like fandle and another book like if you were just taking the best line on sub out and then the best line on sub in so at the time i was limited or banned from every single sports book in the u.s besides fandle so i was just doing it with fandle wow and yeah i made 70 so it was crazy yeah so that was my that was the most i've ever made in one month gambling uh that's more than people make ever in gambling yeah 70k yeah that was my best month. But that was a crazy story.
Yeah. I mean, can you imagine like you made all this money and you don't even know if you're going to get paid out because they have you locked out of your account.
You have to send them a, like a letter of demand. And I'm dude, I'm 24.
I don't know any of this stuff. You know what I mean? I still had a job.
I was like, you were an actuary. Yeah.
I'm dealing with all the stress. I'm like, what's going on here? You know what I mean? It was insane.
That's nuts. Yeah.
Did you bet on March Madness this season or no? Uh, no, because I don't have an edge unless I'm at my PC and I've been running around Vegas for the last month, focusing on the content, but March Madness and like big events like March Madness are great to gamble on if you're limited because the books will like universally raise limits because they feel more confident in these markets because there's more money more liquidity more information so uh those are the best sport games to bet on and usually they'll have a lot of like exposure to one side they'll try to offload it live to the sharps like they'll hold like a little arb to some book and then you could are both sides and you can get off like the super bowl i made like a lot of money on the super bowl just i made like with no risk really yeah you had the chiefs losing that yeah no i had like very large biased positions on the eagles okay because chiefs were publicly you know the i think the public was heavy on the chiefs right like if the chiefs won the books were fucked and a lot of books were hanging eagles like on a really, really good price. Like Fandle was, BetOnline was, like they were up 24 to zero and BetOnline had them at minus a thousand at halftime, whereas every other book was like minus 6,000.
So I was like orbing them like over and over and over again and just taking a biased position towards the Eagles because that was the mispriced side. So I made a lot of money on that day.
It was great. But like most people watch the Super Bowl, I was just like loving life at my PC.
I didn't even watch the Super Bowl. But I had over $100,000 in play on it.
You didn't miss much. No, I didn't miss anything.
I think it was hard to watch. No, I loved it.
I was having a ton of fun. So with arbitrage, can you lose money? Like how does that work? You can, yeah, you can.
If you mess up. So there'll be times where you'll bet the same thing.
It'll be user error. Or if like a line on you, something that's an ARB, the market will correct itself because mathematically speaking, it's impossible for an arbitrage to occur without something being mispriced.
So if something's mispriced, people are going to bet it. So you got to be quick.
You got to be the first one to it. So it happens a lot where you'll bet one thing and then the other line, if you bet bet the side that was like, I guess, correct first, and you didn't bet the misprice side first, the misprice side will move and then you'll just be riding like a negative 10% EV bet.
Oh, shit. Right? So you just be having, you just have a bad bet.
That's why you need your computer. Yeah, that's why you need your computer.
So that's how you would lose money is like user error. And yeah, like a lot of things can happen.
Like you can bet like an under and then live, they usually put you on a timer just to make sure you're not like you know court siding which is like having someone at the game and then they're calling you telling you what's happening oh shit people do that oh yeah people do that people my show do that so they're at the game so they have like a five second advantage i guess yeah but the thing is though is the books they'll have like they have software that knows if you're at game doing that. So they'll have other people go to the game and call them from a different location.

What?

Yeah.

So it's sophisticated.

So what they'll do, these guys on my show, I don't want to spoil it, but they'll go down like 20, 30K on a DraftKings count or something, get VIP status.

Once you're VIP, you can deposit a lot.

And then courtside it, try to make it look sneaky like you got lucky once or twice.

You know what I mean?

And then just chill. Wow.
So make like a quick 20K, 30K bet, you won, and then hang out for a week, right? Don't do anything. It's like cat and mouse, you know what I mean? Like you don't want the books to think you're sharp.
So you lose money and then you'll make some money back. Like, okay, he's hot.
And then eventually you want to run it up, but you got to do it in a smart way. Otherwise you're just going to get yeah because there's not many books right yeah no they're not not legal in the u.s or it depends on your state you know so like the best states to gamble if you want to your professional sports better is probably arizona nevada's the worst right it's bad yeah there's no fandal here yeah or draft kings right oh i don't know i mean i don't live here so yeah no because i think all the casinos rallied against the online betting apps really yeah okay yeah so terrible for this state but i think the casinos have their own i'm not sure if they're good but like the win has won oh the win's awful it's so easy to beat yeah really yeah they were in mass for a little bit and i was cooking them oh wow i didn't have a banker all the time so you got banned from the win yeah i'm banned from the limited limited like heavily limited same thing at that point it's the same.
Like they would ban you if they could, but they legally can't.

So they'll limit you to like $1 bets.

Oh, they legally can't ban you.

No, they legally can't ban you unless you like violate their terms and conditions.

Like if you're like multi-accounting, like unless they find something in the terms and conditions that they can ban you for, they legally can't.

They can't ban you for winning.

They can't ban you for being an advantage player.

Right.

But like they can limit you.

That's what they do.

And that's fine. That's the game.
Right. It's cat and mouse.
Yeah. Like I'm actually like against regulation because like regulation will just ruin everything.
These regulators don't know anything about the industry. Yeah.
They just, they just hear about the problem gambling stories and they'll like, and the casinos will leverage that to like pass laws against sharps. So they'll like share information.
Like there was like a bill being talked about to be passed of like a sharing information bill. But everyone just knew right away that these books would just communicate and tell each other who the sharps are.
And then no sharps would ever be able to exist. A hundred percent.
Under the guise of problem gambling. Like, oh, this guy's a problem gambler.
Don't let him play. Don't let him play here, and they're that was the guys right and the the legislators like oh it's a great idea right like it'll help people lose less money but in reality the sports books are like yeah we're just gonna we're just not gonna get rinsed by these sharps you know so that's why i'm like against regulation because like we understand each other like the sharps and the books like the cat and mouse game that we have to play.
I'd like to just keep that relationship as is. It's working well.
Which sharp is the GOAT? Has someone made crazy money doing something like this? Yeah. Spanky's the biggest.
He runs the largest syndicate in the US. Spanky.
Yeah, Spanky. What a name.
He's in my show all the time. Oh, really? Yeah, he loves it.
He's made M's off this? Oh, multiple M he usually gets like like i don't even probably like billions in volume a year like three percent easy crazy so he's printing money but like he'll get stiffed sometimes like he works with a lot of partners so he'll get stiffed for like a lot of money and stuff like that but yeah people run it up like everyone i associate with in gambling like they run it up you know what i mean like they're probably making like it depends on who you are and like how risky you are. But like people I associate with are in that kind of like 200 to like 500,000 a year range.
Right. And we, we don't like, it's very taboo to share edges with each other.
Cause like if someone were to share an edge with me, they would know I would hammer it right. And probably kill it.
So they don't like share edges like that. So that's, I got a lot of hate early on in my career when i first came to twitter because i was leaking edges like i was like streaming live arbitrage calling in an infinite money glitch on twitter and all these pros are like what the fuck are you doing dude like that's their livelihood that's their livelihood and i didn't i had a full-time job i was just loving life you know so it is what it is right um that's impressive that you found these people.
Cause there's so much BS in the space. Oh yeah.
I mean, it's easy to tell for me. It's easy to tell like who's a jokester and who's not.
I mean, even yesterday you called out someone in front of me. I was like, I knew nothing about it, but it was in five seconds.
I'll tell the story. The guy said he's a Baccarat player with an edge.
I said, okay, like, you know, what, what, what do you think you're like? What percent ROI do you think you're, no, no. I said, I said, how much do you like, I said, what percent ROI do you think your edges? Right.
Which is what a normal person would say. And he said, oh, I don't know.
I try to make like 500. I may, he said, I make, he didn't say I try to make, he said, I make like 500 to a thousand a day.
And I said, okay, like how much volume do you get? And then he said like $10,000 a day. He bets.
I'm like, okay, so you have a 10% Baccarat edge? And he's like, yeah.

And then immediately I knew right away this

guy didn't know what he was talking about.

It just doesn't exist,

a 10% Baccarat edge. There's no

10% edges

in table games in a casino

unless you're cheating

somehow. Yeah.
Unless you're Phil

Ivy. Phil Ivy with edge sorting.
That was, I think think like even higher like 15 to 20 expected value edge yeah but this guy this guy at lifetime fitness did not have a 10 edge i guarantee it but yeah i could like tell and like i'll ask him like two questions and i'll know right away yeah you knew fast yeah i knew right away i mean like i said like i'm a mathematician so i like i think about these things in a different way than most people right right like i like a lot of people view sports, like who won, who didn't, oh, this team won, it was the right side, right? Like I view things as like, okay, every single sporting event has a theoretical probability of an outcome, right? You're trying to make, you're trying to bet on the, on a thing with a better implied probability than the theoretical probability. And that's how you profit long-term.
That's what the casinos do.

So you're just,

you just want to act as the casino.

You want to make good mathematical bets.

That's how I view things.

Most people view sports as like,

this is a lock,

like this team's going to win.

Right.

But like,

there's a price in which you bet on that team and it's not profitable to bet

on it anymore.

Yeah.

Most people view betting emotionally.

I feel like,

Oh yeah,

absolutely.

And that's the worst way to do it. Like, like you'll have a bias towards your hometown team or something like that, but it's actually a good way to like prep accounts.
Like if you want the books to think you're an idiot. Yeah.
Just keep firing on your hometown team. Hope they get hot.
Like while you bet on it, once you got like 20 or 30 bets under your belt, then maybe you start sneaking in some like some EV stuff, like some good stuff. But there's a formula behind this.
You got to act like you're dumb at first. Oh yeah.
You got to, you got to be able to punt some money at first, like make them think you're an idiot, make some really big parlay bets. Like you got to be comfortable.
It doesn't even matter if you win the bet or lose the bet. All that matters is that you made a bad bet.
You know what I mean? Like if you, if I came to you and I said, let's flip this coin, if you win, uh, you get $10. If I win, I'll get $5.
You're just going to flip that coin all day. You know what I mean? So it's the same thing with the casinos.
You'll just make dumb parlay bets. And then, and then you can start firing a little bit, but it's a little more complicated than that.
Yeah. Do you do any parlays or is the odds just terrible? No, no.
I mean, I'll do parlays if there's like a parlay boost, like a token or something like that.

You can get like,

you can get an edge if they like,

if they give you like a,

like a parlay token,

like no sweat bed or something.

But besides that,

no,

like you could parlay like two expected value bets together and then it's

good.

But no,

I don't do any parlays.

I just fire straights all day.

Mathematically,

it doesn't make sense,

right?

No,

it makes sense mathematically.

If the bets within the parlay are mathematically profitable and then you

could parlay them or you can make,

Thank you. all day.
Mathematically, it doesn't make sense, right? No, it makes sense mathematically if the bets within the parlay are mathematically profitable, and then you could parlay them. Or you can make negative expected value bets with correlation to each other.
So, like, there was a big edge on prize picks, which is patch now, where people would just take, like, the quarterbacks' overs and the number one and two receivers' overs and correlate them, correlate the parlay, and then take the opposing quarterbacks' overs Cause if it's a high scoring NFL game, it's going to be a high scoring NFL game, right? Everyone's going to go over. So there's correlation, but independently each one of those bets was bad, but when you correlate them, it was good.
So it doesn't, it's not, you can't always say parlays are bad. Parlays are good.
If you can like correlate them properly, they'll be good. But you know, to most people parlays are bad yeah if you're just gonna degenerately gamble just do straights yeah and just find the best price you know if you like a side just like please just search like two or three books and just get the best price yeah they'll lose way less money yeah have you ever seen someone have an edge in table games yeah of course like black yeah card counters and blackjack and stuff like there's no edge in roulette like there's no edge in i mean bacra obviously phil ivy hasn't had an edge me personally i don't i don't like do any table like i said i'm at my pc like all day just chilling you know i love it but table game edges are like hard to find there's a lot of slot edges did you know that i did yeah vegas matt's told me about a.
Slot hustlers. I've never seen it in person, but I get the idea of like people run up a machine.
It's a specific machine, right? Yeah. Specific machines are good, good and profitable.
But even if you do the math, like I know a guy in Vegas that does it. He walks to every casino every day.
He only makes like 500 bucks a day. Really? I mean, 500 bucks a day is good though.
Yeah. But he's spending all day, bro.
Really? 12 hours. Really? Yeah.
Okay. So like, I feel like the hourly on that's just like 40 bucks an hour yeah yeah i guess for some people it's whatever i mean it's like for some people would you rather work a nine to five or grind slots all day like he's probably addicted to the slot so he like you know he's fine with doing it you know because slots are addictive it's very addictive i know some advantage gamblers who will who are great sports bettors who will make a lot of money sports betting and then blow it that same night on slots really oh that's stupid it's stupid i feel so bad it was actually the guy who got me into like like arbing damn yeah he was lots of the worst odds yeah but it's they're just so addictive it just gets it just catches you really yeah it's like it's the way they design the slots with the noises and the colors and stuff it's they literally design it to be addictive like they study brain patterns and stuff like that yeah i mean for me i like i don't i just wouldn't get it right like you say i don't get it but you're too logical you're too mathematical yeah i think that's that right but like most people don't they just fall into that trap right and that's the that's kind of like the i don't know that's the nature of the industry right like if you are going to be a uh an advantage gambler then you have to be okay with people losing money otherwise you can't win which is why i don't educate people anymore teach anyone yeah you don't sell your picks no i can't sell my picks because no one would ever be able to get them the line would move yeah i'll bet something and two seconds later the line's gone damn it no one can get it yeah they move in a second they have like fandle has my account like flagged like this is elf's account so they'll literally just see it on their chart like they will like traders will filter to the sharps like live during the game or pre-match or if you're maxing something like if you're only allowed to bet a thousand dollars on something and you bet a thousand dollars they're like okay so this is wrong let's move this so if you're gonna bet something and you're sending it out to like your clients and the line didn't move then it's a bad sign that's crazy probably means it wasn't a good bet i didn't know they moved that quick oh it moves in like very fast yeah yeah with stocks you could copy like nancy pelosi's trades and stuff yeah but the line doesn't move as fast right because you could actually make money copying uh insider trading yeah you can it's but that's a way more liquid market like you got to think like each market you're betting on like if you're betting on an nba player prop like there might only be like ten thousand dollars bet on that one right and then you're like a thousand dollars of it like you're ten percent of the market you know what i mean so it's like a stock has hundreds like millions and billions traded on billions like it depends on the stock but like a lot traded on it so they're so liquid like you know if you want to throw 10 000 on it it's not gonna move the price right if you throw 10 000 on a game it'll move the line right so yeah do you do a lot of dgen side bets and stuff no never people say i'm like a robot dude yeah it's it's.
I've seen some on your show, like the pushup one. Oh yeah.
So I, people like DJ and sports betting on me. Yeah.
I'm the prop. So it was like, people were just talking on my show about how many pushups can Elf do in a minute.
And there's a popular sports better named Amanda Vance. She comes on my show all the time and she was, I was supposed to go to a hockey game with her.
And she said, if you could do 50 pushups in a minute. So she set the line, I'll buy you the hockey tickets.
I was like, all right, I'm going to do these 50 pushups. Right.
And my audience was like, we want to bet on it. So I hit up profit X.
I was like, put up a line for this, right? Like can I do 50 pushups in a minute? And there was $150,000 wagered on me. Damn.
If I could do 50 pushups in a minute. And there was $150,000 wagered on me if I could do 50 pushups in a minute.
And obviously I knew if I could or not, right? Like I didn't tell anyone because I could be insider information, insider trading. And the line closed at like minus 160.
So it was a fair market. Like nothing really got leaked, but there was a lot of controversy around it.
One, cause I orbed my own market. So like profit X had it up and bet online had it up.
And I was literally just chilling and I was an orb and I bet both sides of myself made like a quick five bucks. And I tweeted it.
I was like, I was like, yo, just are myself. Like, this is hilarious.
You know, I'm a player prop like, ha ha ha. And everyone's like, he just bet on his own under, like he's going to throw the competition.
Like they're saying, cause it was a liquid market. So like I could have bet like 20,000 on my under and just gone under.
Yeah, you could have made a lot. Yeah, I could have, but at the risk of my reputation, right? So it was a bad idea.
But I tweeted that and people who didn't understand arbitrage just looked at the one day and they're like, he bet his own under on BetOnline. Like this is bad.
You know what I mean? So it was a big controversy leading up to it it which really just built more hype for the the competition so if you went on profit x that day of the of the push-up competition the most traded event was like there was one nba game that day it was like five hundred thousand dollars wagered on in total the second was the pga championship the third was the elf push-up that's fucking hilarious yeah so like there was all these rules these rules that we stuck to. I had to have my chest touch a Coca-Cola can.
I needed to be shirtless so that they could verify my chest hit the can. Was it standing up or sideways? It was standing up.
Because if it was sideways, if my chest hit it, it would have rolled away. Can you imagine if I was doing the pushups and there was like 1.1k people in there.
Like it was a sponsored episode. The CEO of Profit X was like so worried that this would go wrong and then they would look bad.
But I banged out 55 pushups for the boys. No questions.
You were training before. I was training.
I'm in good shape. You know, I love the gym.
That's impressive. So yeah.
And then there was one guy who worked out with me, Brett, and he bet $8,000 on me to go over the first day the market came out and then tweeted it. So there was enough information out there, like public information that people could have like figured out if I was going to go over or not.
But the thing is like, if you watch my show, I wear glasses on my, I wear glasses normally. I look like a nerd, you know, I'm a math kid.
So people just figured I couldn't do the pushups, right? so then there's all this money wagered on the event i can see that yeah and there'll be more money wagered on this sean perry fight that one might hit a million it could it we got to get the lineup like quick how much was bet on the mozzie sean one was was it six so it was six figures and bet online opened the market two hours before the fight damn they started off to win 100 so super low limits and they hit six figures and they only bumped it up to 500 right before the fight wow and they hit six figures so yours will definitely hit a mil oh i mean i would like to hit a mil it would be crazy if it hit a mil but i'll tell them to whoever puts up the line like you gotta make the limits high like i want people to be able to bet like 5k i mean yeah i wonder why they only did 100 for that one they just didn't know like like you're not gonna have a lot of money wager on something like sean perry versus mossy like they didn't even know who mossy was it was funny i was streaming the fight right and i would show things happening and it would move the line in real time that's crazy like sean perry Perry was like, I was hanging out with Sean Perry all day. He's talking his shit, looking good, whatever.
The line's like minus 250 Sean Perry. Mozzie comes to the gym in a Lamborghini, gets right in Sean's face, tells him in front of the live that he's going to kill him.
And he can't wait to knock him the fuck out. The line moved from minus 230 Sean Perry.
And then all of a sudden, Mozzie's the favorite just because he's talking shit.

There's no reason, right?

So then we get in the gym

and people are betting on it.

We have Dave Mason on.

It's like electric.

He's talking about people betting what,

the line moving.

And then I show Mozzie warming up.

And Mozzie's the favorite, right?

To win the fight.

And he's punching the bag like this.

You can tell he's never thrown a punch.

The line moved from Mozzie minus 200.

Mozzie was plus 200 after that.

Everyone hammered Perry

right after I showed Mozzie throwing punches.

So it was hilarious.

The line was moving in real time

with the live stream.

So it was great.

I thought Mozzie, with all that shit talking,

was going to win.

Yeah, he was telling him he was going to kill him.

He's like, I'm going to die in the ring. And he meant it too.
If it was a street fight, Mozzie would have won. But since they did boxing with gloves and, you know, because Mozzie came out firing and knocked Sean right on his ass immediately.
I saw that. And then he went to swing on him while he's on the ground.
Boxers don't do that. You know what I mean? Yeah.
So if it was a street fight, Mozzie would have won. But, you know, it was a boxing fight.
So by round two, Perry was just knocking him down

and it was like a cartoon.

You were watching a cartoon almost.

Mozzie was tired.

He would charge at Sean.

Sean would throw a jab at him and get hit

and then he would stumble and fall.

And then there's a photo of Mozzie in the ring and the wall.

Hilarious memes came from that, yeah.

So that was electric.

And I think there'll be more money wagered on me versus Sean. Oh, definitely memes came from that, yeah.
So that was electric. And I think there'll be

more money wagered

on me versus Sean.

Oh, definitely more

than the Mozzie fight

just because there wasn't

enough time.

At this point,

you might have to start a league

for these sports betters

to fight each other.

Yeah, I'll start.

There's so much beef on my show.

Everyone wants to fight each other.

Yeah, I saw King Cap

was beefing.

King Cap was beefing with Sean.

He wants to fight Sean,

but he's got like

a little neck injury

or something,

so he didn't want to. Mozzie wants to fight Sean.
He wants to fight Sean, but he's got like a little neck injury or something. So he didn't want to.

Mozzie wants to fight Sean.

Brett wants to fight man in the library.

The character MPB,

who's like scammed a bunch of bookies.

People hate him.

Someone paid me $3,000 in escrow to get MPB to show up to the fight

so he can fight him on the undercard.

So like people just want to fight,

you know,

they saw this one fight.

They want to fight.

Oh, so you're having an undercard too? Yeah, there's going to be an undercard. Damn, this thing's legit.
Yeah, there'll be legit streamed refs, everything. Holy crap.
It'll be great. I'm glad you have the refs this time.
Yeah, we're going to have refs this time. That way there's no bullshit.
There's a lot of pushing at the last one. Oh yeah, a lot of pushing.
I think it was dirty boxing, right? What are you going to do? And there's no money on the line. This time Sean and I are putting up $100,000.
You think he'll put it up though? We'll see. The guy's so annoying to deal with.
I asked some people to like, that he trusts if they wanted to escrow it. And they said, no, they don't want anything to do with him.
So he wants to just, what does he want to do? Get a lawyer. I sat him down.
Get the lawyer. And he's like, oh, we have a month.
We'll do it like later. I'm like, all right.
Like if you want to do this, like let's do it. You know know what i mean he says he wants to fight but he just doesn't he's got this rib injury he's pushing it off he's being a little bitch you know what i mean so damn well he'll fight me you got a show tonight what's next yeah i got a show tonight i got a show coming on tonight uh we don't know i have a few like guests lined up okay uh i'll leak crabs bets from bucket crew is coming on tomorrow night we might get spanky on tonight um i asked a few people so i mean they might have texted me back during the podcast i don't know but a lot of times the guests are spontaneous like if something pops up on twitter i'm all over i'm like come on you're good at that yeah really good at that and like i'm really good at stirring the pot like capturing the moment that's that's why i think my show kind of took off yeah it was you know i know what like drama.
They like beef. In this space, yeah, because a bunch of D-gens just, you know, sports betting.
Yeah, degenerate sports betting. They just want something to bet on.
You know what I mean? Like, if it's an elf push-up market, if it's a fight between two influencers, they love that stuff. That's what gets the most action, you know? And it's different, right? Like, there's professional events every single day, you know, and you'll bet on it,'ll bet on it.
But when this kid is fighting a sports bettor

they see on the internet all the time with his shirt off,

they want to bet on that.

These books want to...

And they want to sponsor it, which is great.

I love it.

I built a lot of good relationships with the sports books because of that.

Yeah.

Hopefully they stop banning you because of your audience now.

Yeah, I hope so.

You could provide them a lot of business too.

Yeah, absolutely.

I bring a ton of... You bring volume to them them that's all they care about depositors you know they don't they don't want you to bring sharps on but if you bring if you just bring initial depositors and signups that's what they care about because like each sign up like they'll give you bonus bets to sign up because they know for every user they sign up it's like i think it's like sixteen hundred dollars in expected value that's crazy yeah it's insane like holy crap that's how much the average person loses per year that that signs up it's actually nuts so if you bring them 100 people that's 160k a year in perpetuity right so it's like it's worth millions of dollars million yeah because like yeah and the perpetuity part because the lifetime value right yeah and then they know how to keep these guys as customers right that they know how to send email like if they haven't gambled in a week or something send them a bonus bet get them back you know you know the psychology behind the casinos too that's smart yeah yeah exactly exactly and you can plan it too like if you if you're on an account and it's lost like 10k or something like that you can like email email i'm like oh i'm down so much like can i get a bonus bet or something and they'll usually give you one no way yeah you gotta play into it you know wow you gotta pretend like you're losing but there's if you go too far with it and you're like oh my wife is like mad then they'll if there's certain words you can't say they'll lock your account for problem gambling really yeah because the commission's alcoholism yeah like oh i lost my job something like that.
Like if you're trying to play into it too much, they'll, they'll lock you out. They'll, they'll exclude you.
Cause like legally they have to. Right.
Um, but if you say like, Oh, like I lost so much this week, like, can I get a bonus bet or something? Like they'll usually say, yeah. Yeah.
You know? So if they see you're losing, yeah. Have you been IP band or, uh, your house? I've never been IP band.
Brett did get IP banned from FanDuel after the whole March thing

because he used like seven different accounts

on all his family members in the same address.

So they just IP banned it.

I haven't been IP banned,

but I've been limited like so many times,

like more than I can count.

It hurts every time, you know,

because you'll have an edge on a book

and then you get limited.

It's like a dagger.

There goes 90% of your...

There goes some volume there

and you got to like find a new book to bet on. Do you ever book on the sketchy crypto ones or nah uh no never the every single offshore book i use is like i make sure they're legit you know what i mean so i only use like i i use bet 105 bet online bookmaker um like some of the bet online clones that have the same lines you can like get double the volume stuff like that but only like reputable ones that like the pros use and like So not stake or those other ones? No, I don't use that because it's it's not available in the USA if it's like VPN it.
Oh yeah. And I haven't figured out how to like VPN my PC on like one window and not the rest because if you have a VPN on you won you won't be able to access like fandle like they're

very good at that yeah yeah they don't want people vpn again damn yeah they're really good like you won't be able to vpn into fandle from europe not a chance really yeah no wow so you got to be in a legal state they're on that yeah holy crap i didn't know that no yeah i used to use a vpn nord vpn really yeah it'll work for like steak and ruben and stuff because like they know that they want the US clients

but FanDuel

with all the, like the, like the U.S. legislation and stuff, like they'll get hit with a massive lawsuit.
It's not worth it for them to allow VPNs, you know? Yeah. They're really good with it.
Well, dude, what's next for you? Where can people find you and stay tuned to the show? Yeah. So fine.
You can find me on Twitter at Elf. If you just search Elf, I'll come up.
But my at is at Y-E-L-F-F underscore. And then if you're into boxing stuff, I'll be posting a lot of exclusive boxing stuff on my Instagram page that I just started.
So that is at Y-E-L-F-F underscore, underscore. So there's an extra underscore.
Someone had it or something. I don't know how, but how did someone have that one? Yeah.

We'll link it below.

Yeah.

We'll link it.

The elf IG needs to grow.

So we support the IG.

Yeah,

absolutely.

Thanks for coming on,

bro.

That was fun.

Hey,

absolutely.

My pleasure.

See you in the ring.

I'll see you in the ring.

Peace,

guys.