The Secret to Exploding Your Twitter Engagement | Elf DSH #1316

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Speaker 1 So that's, I got a lot of hate early on in my career when I first came to Twitter because I was leaking edges. Like I was like streaming live arbitrage, calling it an infinite money glitch on Twitter.

Speaker 1 And all these pros are like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Because that's their livelihood. That's their livelihood.
And I had a full-time job. I was just loving life, you know?

Speaker 1 So it is what it is, right?

Speaker 1 All right. We got Elf in the building.
What's up? How are we doing? We played some basketball last night. We did, yeah.
I'm not a big baller, but I did pretty well in the gym.

Speaker 1 You had a couple nice layups. I did, yeah, until I got hurt, rolled the ankle a little bit.
Your boy was sniping, too. He was, yeah.
We had a good squad.

Speaker 1 yeah we did troll the first we lost the first game but we came back and won the second one so all good there absolutely

Speaker 1 out here in vegas for a month now right yeah out here for a month fight camp fight camp i'm fighting sean perry in a month uh it's my first boxing fight and yeah i'm ready to go i mean i can't stand that guy he's like the one person on earth that i actually have beef with that i don't like enjoy speaking with i'm a nice kid but sean perry just i can't stand him at all so he's like the one person i'll fight and at at first you guys were cordial, right?

Speaker 1 He used to hop on your spaces and you were chill. Yeah, he used to hop on the spaces.

Speaker 1 You know, I didn't realize that like no one really likes him here in Vegas until people started complaining about him being on the show all the time.

Speaker 1 And initially, so we were friends because he would come on the show and we would talk, right? I have a Twitter show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he was beefing with this, with a famous gambler named Mozzie.

Speaker 1 And Des Bryant was on this space and they were talking shit to each other as most people do on my show. And then they're like, fuck it.
Let's just fight each other.

Speaker 1 Like, why are we, why are we talking? Like, let's just fight. So we all booked a flight the next day to Vegas.
Well, they live in Vegas. I booked a flight from Boston.
Des Bryant booked a flight.

Speaker 1 We went to this gym and watched them fight. So I was in Vegas.
That was the first time I ever went to Vegas. That was March 18th.
So pretty recent. And we watched them fight.

Speaker 1 And it was like my, it was one of my biggest shows ever. It has like, I think it has like 600,000 views on my page, on my Twitter page.
So it was big, it was a big show for me.

Speaker 1 And yeah, it was awesome. It was great content.
It was the first fight from gambling Twitter to occur. And yeah, it was a big event.
Who do you think won that fight? I mean, Perry won for sure.

Speaker 1 I mean, Mozzie, there are some memes of him like stuck in between the ring and the wall. I've never seen anything like it.
I'll give Perry his flowers. He won that fight.

Speaker 1 He's not going to beat me. There's no chance.
And he's also probably not going to make weight because he's like fat now. He's like really fat, out of shape.

Speaker 1 He doesn't take his health seriously at all. So he's going to make weight.
So he's probably going to not. He's probably going to forfeit the purse.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 my backers might get free-rolled, but he won the fight against Mozzie. So yeah.
His shirtless videos are wild. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know why he posts shirtless videos. And my least favorite ones are the one in his spandex where you can see his camel toe.

Speaker 1 If I have to see one more camel toe photo of Sean Perry, I think I'm going to kill myself. I can't do it.
Yeah. It's awful.
When did the actual beef star? Was it after the Mozzie fight?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was after the Mozzie fight. I mean, we were cool.

Speaker 1 You know, he was putting me up in the Rio.

Speaker 1 He sponsored one of my shows for ten thousand dollars gave me cash we gambled it on a show and i made 1.5k with the 10k uh you know it was fine we were cool and i'm trying to they're trying to rematch right for 500k

Speaker 1 and perry wants him to like sign a contract and do all this like stuff official mozzie doesn't want to do any of that he wants to bring 500k to the gym so they're kind of like both avoiding each other Perry's like, sign the contract.

Speaker 1 Mozzie's like, bring the cash. And I'm the host of the show, right? It's all going down on my show.
So I'm trying to mediate this, this mess.

Speaker 1 And Perry keeps talking over everyone. He's talking over Des Bryan.
He's talking over Mozzie. And no one else can get a word in.
So I kicked him from the space temporarily.

Speaker 1 And then once I did that, he just crashed out on me on Twitter. He's like, this little boy elf is a clown.
Like I made him, which is just not true at all. He's like delusional.

Speaker 1 He thinks he makes everyone he interacts with. My show was fine before him.

Speaker 1 He called, yeah, he's just so disrespectful me on Twitter and he's just talking shit. And I start firing back.

Speaker 1 And he doesn't know how to, he doesn't know how to like be. It's with him, it's either his friend or you're his enemy.

Speaker 1 So once I was his friend and then I kicked him from the space just so other people can speak. Now I'm his enemy.

Speaker 1 And then we called on the phone and there's like videos being leaked of him and stuff like that. He's like, do you know anything about these? And I was like, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 And then we started fighting on the phone for like an hour. And I'm like, I was like, fuck you, dude.
Let's just fight. Like, let's just hop in the ring.
You know what I mean? You and Massey did it.

Speaker 1 Let's do it. And he said he's down.
So, so I'm training now. I'm training with the number 14 fighter in the U.S., Angel Barrientes, for the Bantam weight.
He's training me. I got some good training.

Speaker 1 I got a good work ethic. If we fought tomorrow, Sean would kill me, but we're fighting in a month, so he's fucked.
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Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, because he's got weight on you, right? He's got weight on me.
He's got experience on me. He's got more training than me at the moment.

Speaker 1 But in a month, all that won't matter because I'm more athletic than him. So I'll be good.
Were you athletic growing up? Yeah, I was. Yeah, I played Academy Soccer on

Speaker 1 the top New York, New York team called New York Soccer Club. So a few of my teammates are now professional players, like the Sands twins, I played with them.
Dante Polvara plays in Europe.

Speaker 1 These are my teammates. You had good cardio.
Great cardio. Yeah.
And boxing's all cardio, but it's a different type of cardio than soccer. Right.
Very, very different.

Speaker 1 You know, because you know, you get hit in the face, your cardio drops like half. You know what I mean? You're like, oh, I got a like minor concussion now.
You know, so I've been sparring people.

Speaker 1 And they've just been kicking my ass for like three rounds. And I'm like, wow, like that hurt.
You know what I mean? But it's all part of the game. game, you know.

Speaker 1 Like, I was talking to my coach, and he's like, it's like touching a hot stove. You know, if you touch the hot stove once, you're not going to do it again, right? So that's the idea.

Speaker 1 You spar, you get hit, you learn, rinse and repeat. Everyone's calling him out now.
I wonder if he'll fight you and fight others. I don't know what the deal is.
Everyone wants to fight him.

Speaker 1 No one likes this guy at all. Like, literally, everyone wants to fight him, but they got to wait their turn after me.
You know what I mean? So you're up first for sure.

Speaker 1 I'm next. Yeah.
Unless Mozzie wants to fight like before our fight, then he's got all the rain, but they want to do it for 500K.

Speaker 1 And like I said, they're not going to, Sean's not going to bring half a million liquid to a gym in Vegas. It's just not smart.
It's not smart.

Speaker 1 It's not only smart because he's saying like Mozzie might rob him, but someone else in Vegas might rob him. 100%.

Speaker 1 Like if you're, if you have a million liquid in a gym in Vegas, who's to stop like some like gang to roll up, just run the place, leave with a mill and just take their chances. Like, why not?

Speaker 1 People would do that. People would do that for less.
Way less. Way less.
Probably 100K people would do that. Yeah.
So, I mean, unless you're going to hire a ton of security, then you don't do that.

Speaker 1 And I was like to Sean, you know, I have connections with every single sports book and casino

Speaker 1 in the U.S. Like that's how I do things, right? Because you have a show, people want to sponsor it.
They want that exposure. So I have good relationships with a lot of casinos.

Speaker 1 So I was like, okay, if you want, we could do, I'm just bouncing ideas. I'm like, if you want, we can bring the 500K to circa or something like that.

Speaker 1 put it in the booth and the winner can walk away with it. You know what I mean? Like get Benson involved.
And they just didn't want to do any of that. They're not even open to negotiation.

Speaker 1 It's either contract through a lawyer or cash. Both aren't going to happen.
So you're in a standstone. And then for me, Perry's like, I'll fight you for 100K, right?

Speaker 1 I said, okay, I don't, I don't have 100K liquid to fight you, but I'll put up, I'll put up 10K on myself and then I'll get some backers, right?

Speaker 1 So I'm like, okay, I'll sign the contract tomorrow, you know, send the contract. He hasn't sent a contract.
He keeps texting me that he's down. He says his rib hurts.

Speaker 1 I'm like, all right, whatever, bro. But he said he's 100% down to fight.
So yeah, and I'll put up 100K. I'll get a backers easily.
So where are you guys doing it?

Speaker 1 Probably pound for pound. Pound for pound in Vegas.
Is that where the Mozzie one was? That was where the Mozzie one was. Yeah, they'll be completely set up so that they have a whole streaming set up.

Speaker 1 Like the only person streaming the Mozzie one was me on my phone, Twitter spaces.

Speaker 1 So that's like the beauty of the beauty of Twitter spaces is there's so many speakers.

Speaker 1 So if you hop on my show, and you're speaking and people like you, you know, they'll click on your page and they'll look at it like what you do and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 So it incentivizes other people to speak. Yeah.
And like larger accounts will hop in, they'll speak, they'll get a clip and then they'll leave. Right.
So, and I encourage that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So I was streaming the whole fight and there's 10 speakers. We have like full commentary almost and a stream of the fight without just on my phone.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So I was the only one streaming it. And then there was stuff on YouTube, TikTok afterwards.
But live, I was the only person streaming it.

Speaker 1 For my fight, there'll be like a live stream, like a proper one. I'm getting commentators.
yeah, like you should get kick or rumble involved or something. Yeah, I'm down.

Speaker 1 I mean, we'll see what we can do with the sponsors. I mean, you have good connects, but um, they I'm getting Jeff Nadue to commentate, like former barstool guy.

Speaker 1 There's this guy, the beak, who comes on my show all the time. He's got like a funny voice, he's gonna commentate, so we're gonna make it a spectacle.

Speaker 1 That'll be cool, it'll be fun, but you know, I'm taking this very seriously. Yeah, now, how'd you grow your Twitter? Because you quit your job two months ago, yeah.
I quit my job,

Speaker 1 yeah, and I had a good job, so I was an actuary, I was making good money, like uh, working at a large insurance insurance company, like very cozy job.

Speaker 1 So it was definitely difficult quitting, but it was it was once that I started making more from content was when I started, it was when I quit my job. That's, that was the key.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I mean, I grew my Twitter. Twitter loves just like consistency.
So if you post a lot on Twitter and you kind of find your niche, so like my niche was advantage gambling at first.

Speaker 1 And now I've branched out into this Twitter show. And that's when my page, I guess, like exploded.
Like the algorithm loves me. Like I can't, like, I have like 17K followers.

Speaker 1 I can't tweet and not get like 50K views. You know what I mean? So the algorithm loves me.
But

Speaker 1 Twitter just rewards consistency. They'll put you in a niche and like, you know, based on how people react to your content, they'll keep pushing it out.

Speaker 1 So the way I really grew my Twitter was from these shows. Right.
And I have, like, I could just, if I wanted to, just like spam giveaways, like follow, retweet, but like.

Speaker 1 Those aren't real organic followers. Like a real organic following is worth way more than just like a large number on a screen.

Speaker 1 So I grew it just by grinding the app, posting good content, stuff that I know my followers will engage with, and doing a show. And people love the show.

Speaker 1 Like the engagement on the show is like through the roof. So that's, that's the real way I grew it.
Yeah. I'll hop in sometimes and you'll have a thousand live people.

Speaker 1 That's insane. Yeah, it's, it's nuts.
That's more than celebrities get on Instagram live. Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 1 And there's like a running joke where like I'm always like, oh, go follow the L F Instagram, but no one wants to leave Twitter. They just love the Twitter show.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I mean, the show is great great because it's not just me. Like like we're doing a podcast.
My show, there'll be probably 20 to 30 unique speakers during one show.

Speaker 1 And everyone knows like my lower loyal listeners, they know all these characters that come in and speak, right?

Speaker 1 Like there'll be people that come in and these, they're like, oh, this guy's a conspiracy theorist. Like I know he's about to like stir up some drama or something like that.

Speaker 1 And he'll say something ridiculous. And then I'll bring on people who I know hate this guy.
And then they'll start beefing with him.

Speaker 1 And like the way I really grew my show from like bottom up was if there was somebody talking about somebody on my show in a negative way, I would be on the side DMing that person.

Speaker 1 I would send them the link to my space and be like, bro, this guy just said you're a scammer. Like he just said you stole a thousand dollars from this dude.

Speaker 1 So, and then that would bait that person in, right? And then imagine like someone's talking shit about this person. And I'm like, oh no, here he is.
Let's bring him up.

Speaker 1 So I bring him up and then the viewers are like, oh, no, here we we go like it's about to be a war and then there is war that happened next uh sean perry and mickey mace right happened with sean perry mickey mace yeah they they were going at it i could tell the full story if you want yeah so sean perry was crashing out on twitter about uh mickey mace because he wanted to do a podcast with mickey mace and mickey mace wanted to charge him that was it that was the only reason so then sean took that and said okay i'm allowed to slander your name slander your casino slander all your like sponsors and stuff like that So, and by the way, I was a smaller account at the time, right?

Speaker 1 So, Sean reaches, I reach out to Sean and booked a show.

Speaker 1 And then someone on my team reached out to Mickey and we're like, listen, Mickey, like this guy's going to come on the show and say things about you.

Speaker 1 Like, if you want, we want you to come on and defend your name, right? Like, we don't want to just have one-sided an argument, right?

Speaker 1 If someone, like I said, if someone's talking about someone, they deserve a right to speak on it. So we reach out to Mickey and Mickey was like, okay, I'll do your show, Elf, on one condition.

Speaker 1 The one condition is that Sean Perry can never come on your show ever again, right? So I'm like, all right, deal. Like, and this guy, and Perry was like leaking my texts on Twitter.

Speaker 1 He leaked my phone number on Twitter. Jeez.
I'm like, what is going on? I have people texting and calling me like, yo, Elf, your number got leaked. I'm like, all right, fuck this guy.

Speaker 1 We're doing the Mickey Mace show. You know what I mean? So, and I'm not on good terms with Sean Perry at this time.
So this is not the first time I've beefed with him now.

Speaker 1 Mickey Mace comes on the show. Great show.
Electric show. The guy's like amazing amazing to listen to, telling crazy stories about like peeing in girls' mouths.
Like my viewers loved it.

Speaker 1 And then he leaves and we're still live, right? And I had 1,500 people live on that show.

Speaker 1 Book It with Trent's on the show. Jack Mac from Barcelona's on the show.
Jeff Nadu's there. And we have like a few sharps as well because, you know, I'm a sharp gambler.

Speaker 1 And Book It with Trent with 300,000 followers gets a call from Perry. And he's like, I'm on the phone with a red hot Sean Perry.
We need to bring him on the show. And I'm like, no, I can't.

Speaker 1 Like, I gave Mickey my word. You know what I mean? And there's 1,500 people watching my show, like my loyal listeners.

Speaker 1 And Trent goes, okay, if you don't do this show, I'm going to do the show with Perry. And I'm like, and he's like, I want to borrow Jack Mac, Nadu, and Man in the Vig.

Speaker 1 And all of them said they're down. So I'm like, oh, my God.
Like, do I literally risk losing my whole show right now? Or do I break my word to Mickey Mace? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And keep in mind, Mickey was so respectful, so nice, gave me an opportunity and came on my show he's much bigger than me uh so

Speaker 1 i i let parry on and i i like literally i like left the room i wasn't even involved with it i just let them all go at it i was like ashamed of myself almost like for letting him on but it was like in my i'm not justifying it because i did break my word to mickey but it was like in my opinion it was like survival of the show versus like my word so i was like backed into a corner like you're risking losing your entire cast you can't do that so that was the only time i broke my word and that was i kind of the mickey may story how you know we're not on good terms at the moment so yeah kind of the grape allegation started today that is when the grape allegation started with sean and um

Speaker 1 yeah the next the next day mickey came back and made sean address those grape allegations and he said he wasn't even aware of any of them and took a lie detector test about it And yeah, that's all I'll say about that.

Speaker 1 It's, yeah, there's nothing else for me to say, really.

Speaker 1 And that was the first defamation case you got hit with uh no that was the second so i was threatened to be sued for defamation if i was going for slander defamation by sean if i released the episode with this girl i was going to bring the girl on mickey mace back on and i called my lawyer and i was like am i allowed to do this episode because she doesn't have a police report she doesn't have there's no like factual basis to her whether the claim is true or not it doesn't matter like she can come on and tell the complete truth if she doesn't have a police report, unfortunately, like I'll get sued.

Speaker 1 So that's what my attorney said. And Sean is texting me.
He's like, if you do the show tonight, I'm suing the fuck out of you. And I'm, and he's serious.
Like, he has the money to do it.

Speaker 1 Like, he'll, I don't have the money to compete with him in a lawsuit.

Speaker 1 So my attorney's like, I was like, can I get sued for this? Like, I'm not even the one saying anything. He's like, it's not a matter of, can you get sued? He's like, you will get sued.

Speaker 1 And he's like, where do you live? And I was like, Boston. And he's like, oh, you're, you're not even in the state.
Like, they won't even like that. You know what I mean? So you'll be like an underdog.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, oh, I can't do this. So I pulled the plug and then Mickey was messaging me like,

Speaker 1 oh, you're a pussy for that. Like your lawyer's an idiot.
Like you should have done the show, you know?

Speaker 1 And Jeff Nadu is making the point like in content, sometimes it's better to be getting sued for something like this because it's like content. And I'm like, yeah, but I can't afford it.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? So I didn't do it. And yeah, so that was like the second time.
Mickey Mason, his eyes, views that I burned him. Right.

Speaker 1 But in my opinion, I protected all of us because now there's no ammunition for a lawsuit if you, if Sean shot.

Speaker 1 So yeah, that was, that was like, I think that was the second defamation case I was threatened with. The first one was this guy, Cash Out King.
He's like the biggest scammer on the internet.

Speaker 1 He was booking bets back like three, four years ago on the Lakers playoff series. Imagine like a team is like minus 600 to win the series.
I think they were up three to one.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I'll book it at plus 100. Bitcoin only.
So everyone starts sending him a ton of money. This is a huge story.
Everyone starts sending him a ton of money, right?

Speaker 1 And he just ran away with all the money. There was a guy he stole $150,000 from.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he came back to Twitter. He bought this guy, Mises account.
He came back to Twitter and people are like, yo, Elf, he's back on Twitter. Like, get him on the show.

Speaker 1 It's like, all right, I'm going to get him on the show. So I get him on the show and he admitted to like six different federal crimes on the show that he wasn't charged with.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, what is going on here? Like, why? This guy admitted to illegal bookmaking, scamming,

Speaker 1 wire fraud, like, all on my show, like recorded spaces, you know what I mean? And I brought on the guy who he scammed $150,000 for. Wow.
And there's like proof of it.

Speaker 1 And do you know what this cash out king guy said? What? He said, if I had $10 million to my name, I wouldn't pay you back a cent. Damn.
I was like, what? That's insane.

Speaker 1 Like, this guy did nothing to you. He got scammed by you, and you're going to, you're going to do him dirty like that.
And yeah, this cash out king guy is just existing on Twitter.

Speaker 1 He's still scamming people.

Speaker 1 I'll get a DM every other week like, oh, this guy tried to scam me or he did scam me for like 3k he's got to get caught up one of these days you would think so but i mean like it would have happened by now like he lives in a nice gated neighborhood like no one's no one's pulling up on him or nothing yeah but apparently did people did go to his house after he uh ran off with all the money he booked and he moved

Speaker 1 no he still lives there

Speaker 1 yeah the only thing he's been charged with is wire fraud So he like legally owes someone like a hundred thousand, but now apparently he said on my show, he just keeps nothing in his name anymore like if he makes money it's on his mom's name that's what a lot of scammers do yeah if you go to sue them you can't collect you can't collect even if you win so this guy legally owes people like hundreds of thousands of dollars and he's never gonna pay them a cent back because his name has no money and he threatened you with defamation yeah so he told me he threatened me with defamation uh many times because i would tweet about him and i've like you know i'm like this guy's a scammer and he's like i'm suing you for defamation i'm like do it i'm like i needed some new toilet paper so so send me the lawsuit like you'd be my that one i would take you know because he's actually scamming so he's actually scamming.

Speaker 1 He's a criminal. No, I didn't say anything defamatory, right? Everything I said was true and factual.
So there's no defamation.

Speaker 1 But with the whole thing with Sean was that this, you know, unfortunately, it's a bad situation, but she doesn't have a police report. Yeah.
So it's, it's, I'm not saying it like anything.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying she doesn't have a police report. That's all I'll say because it's a sensitive topic.
So there's been two more after Sean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Cash Out Kings threatened me with two. I've had one where someone, I don't want to name this person because it's like someone I'm close with and they're big in the industry.

Speaker 1 They by accidentally admitted to a crime that they did. So they wanted me to delete the show.
I said, no, I'm not deleting the show. I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 1 And then they threatened me with defamation. I'm like, there's no defamation.
It's just you admitting to a crime. Yeah.
That's not defamation.

Speaker 1 You didn't say anything. Yeah, I didn't say anything.
And yeah, so I'm like, no, I'm not deleting the show.

Speaker 1 Like imagine someone, you did a podcast with someone and then they told you to delete the podcast. What are you going to tell them? I actually haven't ever done that.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, if they do tell you that, you should tell them to fuck off. Like a couple people have.

Speaker 1 um or like certain parts for legal reasons i'll do it but yeah i won't okay if there is legal reason then you would do it but if there's no legal reason you're not gonna do it because if you said it i mean it's fair game yeah is they said it you know nothing like it is on some recorded spaces like the odds something actually happens are so low you know what i mean so the person's fine but yeah that those are the four so cash out king threatened me twice Sean Perry, and then one person that I won't name, but they admitted to like a crime.

Speaker 1 They told me to delete it. I said no.
Then there's the threat. And that's impressive because you're only a year in and you're getting.
Not even a year, three months in.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you watch my show and you see how much beef there is on the show, you'd kind of understand like why I'm always in some heat. You know what I mean? You're getting one a month.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm having yeah, one, one a month, pretty much. So do you have anxiety? Like, how are you dealing with all that? Uh, I don't know.
I'm a pretty calm person, I would say. Really?

Speaker 1 But I do get heated sometimes on my show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh, sometimes, no, the first time I got threatened with the lawsuit was cash out king, and there was no basis to it at all, right? Like, literally none.

Speaker 1 Like, this guy just admitted to crimes and said he was going to sue me. I was nervous.
I was like, wow, this is like. Yeah, the first lawsuit's the worst.
Yeah. I was like, this is real now.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And like, I got to, like, it's crazy to say, but I have like a big platform now where I can like influence a lot if I'm pushing an agenda. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I got to be careful with these things. But that was the first time.
And then luckily I got people in my corner. So they were telling me like, you're fine.
Like we'll take care.

Speaker 1 You know, if anything happened, like it'll be okay. Right.
So that calmed me down. And I was like talking it over on my show.
So like to Jeff Nadu's point of like, oh, it's content.

Speaker 1 We spent an episode talking about like if this guy could sue me for like what he said on the last episode. Bro, my first lawsuit, I couldn't leave my room for two months.
Really?

Speaker 1 Like I was shitting myself. Yeah, it's scary.

Speaker 1 And I didn't even have a lawsuit. I haven't had threats of lawsuits.
You know, I'm sure one will come and I'm not looking forward to it. But yeah, I'm trying to avoid it.

Speaker 1 Well, as long as you stay neutral, I think you'll be good. Yeah, okay.
That's that's the idea. That's my goal as the host is to stay neutral, but stir up the pot between the characters.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like get other people to beef. But then you can't avoid it if if you're the host.
So like, they'll blame you. They'll blame you.
You know, I'm always like the heel of everything.

Speaker 1 Like if, you know, if the show wasn't great or something, it's Elf's fault. Or like, you know, I bring on a lot of scammers, right? But to get them on the show, I'm like, yo, I'll be neutral.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I'm going to let you tell your story. Right.
And then my viewers are like, why aren't you, you know,

Speaker 1 why aren't you calling him out? And I'm like, it's not my job to call him out as the host. It's the viewers' job to like listen, call him, one, it's their job to call him out.

Speaker 1 And two, also like get all the facts of the story so that they can understand it. It's not like, otherwise I'll have a five-second show.
Yeah. You bring on a scammer, call him a scammer.

Speaker 1 He leaves the show. And then what? You have no content.
You know what I mean? Dude, there's so many scammers in your space. It's crazy.
Oh, yeah, so many scammers.

Speaker 1 And like, there's people selling picks with no edge. Like, that's like a scam by definition, right? Cause you're giving up.
You're just guessing. Right, you're guessing.

Speaker 1 You're betting into heavily vigged markets like right before game time. Like, you know, right before, right before the game starts is when the market is the most efficient in sports.
I rarely bet.

Speaker 1 No, I pretty much never bet right before game time yeah never i'm usually betting openers like right when the line opens wow if there's an injury news like i'm fast to it right like i'm sitting at my pc all day sniping stuff right like i'm the first one to it yeah and then once i bet it they're gonna move the line so that no one else can bet it so you got to be super quick you can't just like like selling picks into the market is like it's like a unicorn you know what i mean like there are very there's probably like

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Speaker 1 Within their trading team, it's with money coming in, sharp money. That's how they move the line and shape the market.
And a lot of the U.S. books just copy the offshore ones that have high limits.

Speaker 1 So if Pinnacle moves their line, Pinnacle is an offshore sports book with the highest limits. If Pinnacle will move the line, they'll just copy Pinnacle.
So they'll just get that information for free.

Speaker 1 Pinnacle had to pay someone to get that information and expect the value by taking that large bet.

Speaker 1 And all the U.S. books just copy it.
There are books. I know for a fact there are books.

Speaker 1 They'll just look at Pinnacle or Bookmaker and just go right in between so that they're like, they just, they just don't look like anything on a hot screen.

Speaker 1 Like they can sit there and say, all right, we're well priced. They didn't price it.
They just copied. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, it's like if you're taking a math test and you got an agent next to you who's like 4.0 GPA aces every test and you're like a B student, you know, you got decent traders, just going to copy, but you can copy the Asian guy for free.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do? Yeah. You're going to copy the Asian guy and you're going to make a ton of money.
You're going to print.

Speaker 1 And then anyone sharp, you deem, you know, you think they have a pulse, you can just limit them. So I'm limited or banned from every single sports book in Massachusetts besides FanDuel.

Speaker 1 That's the only one. And they have me at 10%.
And I'm very grateful for that. So, yeah.
Holy crap. When you get banned, is it all at once or do they kind of spread it out?

Speaker 1 No, it's, it's all spread out.

Speaker 1 So none of these books communicate with each other so like if you get limited on mgm you're not going to be limited on draft kings it happens one at a time like if you if you're like really cooking mgm or you could even be losing to mgm but you're beating the closing line consistently they'll limit you like i was limited on caesars down nine thousand dollars wow they limited me i was like what's going on here it was it was a crazy point in my life it was like january of last year I had just started live arbitrage sports betting and I was betting I was arbitraging caesars lines to espn bets lines and this is when espn first launched they were awful at their their live lines were terrible and there was like no limit so i was betting like a thousand dollars live during the nb like and the college basketball games just nuking it and i was de-risking on caesars so that's why i was dying down 9 000 to them But they, they probably picked up that I was betting so much volume that it wasn't like real like wagering.

Speaker 1 It was like someone arbiting.

Speaker 1 but even then, they should know that I'm de-risking to them, just paying them to offload my position from ESPN debt, and they're just printing money off me because I don't want to have that risk of like you know, 30,000 in action on like random college basketball totals, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, so they must have an algorithm that detects stuff like that. Yeah, so I think every book is different, but I think the way they tell with the live stuff now is like volume.

Speaker 1 So, if you're making like five bets in an hour, like random stuff, like small market games, they'll know something's going on.

Speaker 1 If you bet on a game twice, like if you're, I don't know, like the championship game, right?

Speaker 1 If you hit the total once and then you hit it again and again, they're like, why is this guy hitting it three times? He already bet it once.

Speaker 1 Like a normal person, they make one bet and they sweat that bet, right? But if a model is mispriced on a game, they're going to be off all game usually on that price.

Speaker 1 So you could probably get it a few times. So, you know, that's another way they do it.

Speaker 1 And yeah, because if you're, if you're on a limited account on DraftKings, you literally can't make the same bet twice on a game.

Speaker 1 Like, if you wanted to bet, like, if the Chiefs are playing and DraftKings is off on the Chiefs, like off-market, if you bet they're spread once, like in the first quarter, if you try to bet it again in the fourth quarter on like a first-tier limited account on DraftKings, they won't let you bet it again.

Speaker 1 It'll say duplicate bet. But like anyone else could, but like if you're limited, you can't.
Yeah. And then there's the death limits on DraftKings, 1% limits, which is what they have me on now.
Jeez.

Speaker 1 You can't bet anything.

Speaker 1 How does that happen? I don't know, it just happens from winning.

Speaker 1 You beat them, and then they limit you. How much were you up when they hit you? Not that much, like 30,000, maybe for them.
That's a lot, though, right?

Speaker 1 Not really in the draft games, you know, not a lot at all. Well, they're used to everyone losing, I'd imagine.
So, if you're up 30k, they're like, what's going on here?

Speaker 1 Right, 30k with a very large sample size of bets, I think, is the key thing. So they know, like, okay, this guy, like, you can't beat this guy.

Speaker 1 And, like, he's, I was just grinding out like a hundred dollar bets, right? Just like, I made like 30 000 bets last year holy yeah just that's like a what 100 a day

Speaker 1 3 000 30 around yeah 100 a day at least and there is there are some days and like nfl days when there's nfl uh nba and like a hockey some days i'd have like 700 bets on the day just literally on my pc all day just sniping stuff it's like the best days ever yeah i love those days holy so fun yeah like 700 bets a day but if you think about it though if you have an edge why would you make two bets a day?

Speaker 1 You wouldn't. Like, all right, like, for example, if you're a blackjack card counter, are you going to go into the casino and play one hand and leave? No, you're going to play till they kick you out.

Speaker 1 It's the same thing with sports. If you had an edge, if you really had an edge, you would grind it out all day.
You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's what I do.
Has your edge ever got caught?

Speaker 1 Like, has someone ever patched it? Yeah, so I'll tell a crazy story. So

Speaker 1 Fandle in March, I made $70,000 on FanDuel in one month in March. It was was the most ridiculous edge.
I didn't find it. A guy named NBA Greens on Twitter.
His name is Brett Feinson.

Speaker 1 He found it and told me about it. It was a substitution angle.
And I can say this now because it's dead. So if you try to do it, sorry, it doesn't work anymore.
But let's say LeBron is playing, right?

Speaker 1 And at the end of the first quarter, his line's 23.

Speaker 1 He gets subbed out in like the first quarter, and he'll get subbed back in like right before the first quarter ends or something.

Speaker 1 If you take his under 23 and a half, while he's on the bench, his line would drop to 20 or even 19.

Speaker 1 so you would take his over before he came back in and right when he comes back in it's got to pop back up to 23.

Speaker 1 so you would take his under when he gets subbed out take his over before he got subbed back in and we were getting three four point middles on every single player in the nba paying minus 110 minus 110 each side damn and i was wagering like like 1.2k on these bets on every single player and it was such a low variance strategy i was just printing money every day on fandel it was like amazing

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I was using like 10% account, you know,

Speaker 1 just printing money every day. And at the end of the month, we were making so much money.
And the main reason why we got caught was because too many people found out about the edge.

Speaker 1 Everyone was instructed to keep their mouth shut. You tell one person, that person will tell one friend that they know will keep their mouth shut.

Speaker 1 And then that one person will tell one person, you know, so. And too many people found out with money.
That was the issue.

Speaker 1 So like there was like 12 of us who all had money who were pounding this edge efficiently. Right.
So

Speaker 1 fandle, every single time a player would get subbed out would probably take like $20,000 on an under on a player prop. And they're probably like, what the hell is going on? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So it was, and then all these guys were making so much money. They all took a trip to Arizona in an Airbnb and they were doing like 12 different accounts, Fandle accounts in the same Airbnb.

Speaker 1 So, and we're all on a Discord call, right? Like talking, okay, this guy's going to get subbed out. Like we're helping each other, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 and we knew the rotations like the back of our hand every single player in the NBA we knew when they were gonna get subbed out and sub back in. That's crazy.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 and we'd be on a discord call so we'd all be taking the same

Speaker 1 action and it was one by one. I called it I called it purge night one by one all of our accounts 1%

Speaker 1 locked like you get contact customer support. You can't log in.
I had over a hundred thousand dollars to my name locked out of fan door.

Speaker 1 It was like the like you said it was you were locked in your room for two weeks. I was so stressed.
Like I had like my whole betting bank were locked out on FanDuel and it was awful.

Speaker 1 They thought I was the one in charge too because I was like the most popular Twitter account of all my friends at the time.

Speaker 1 They thought I had botted like seven accounts because we were all hitting the same lines. Oh, they hit you up?

Speaker 1 No, they didn't hit me up, but I had like a friend who worked for Fandu at the time telling me these things. And he was vouching for me.
He's like, no, they're not botting.

Speaker 1 Like they just have an edge, right? And this is the edge. And he was telling them, but it takes like a lot to patch like a live player prop system,

Speaker 1 which they did in the offseason. But till the offseason happened, they kind of just kept us locked.
And, you know, and then when they unlocked us, we were all like death limited.

Speaker 1 Like, how long was it locked? I was locked out of my fano account for like a week and a half with like my whole betting bankroll in there. So I was like, I was so stressed, dude.
I sent them a law.

Speaker 1 I sent them a, I don't know, a letter of demand to unlock my account. They were like blowing me off for a full week.
Like, oh, like, just wait for them to respond to you.

Speaker 1 As soon as I sent that letter of demand, like, you're illegally holding my money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They unlocked my account in two hours. Wow.
So I'm like, okay, like, it was a bunch of bullshit. You know, they're playing, it's war, right, with them.

Speaker 1 So they can use their terms of service to, like, bully you, like keep your account suspended indefinitely until you do get that letter of demand. And we sent it.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I made 70K off them in one month. That's a smart strategy.
It was like the craziest month of my life, you know? Did that work at other books or did that FanDuel tell everyone else to

Speaker 1 it only worked on fandu because every other book uses like uh like swish analytics to do their player props but it worked better if you used like fanduel and another book like if you were just taking the best line on sub out and then the best line on sub in so at the time i was limited or banned from every single sports book in the us besides fan duel so i was just doing it with fan duel wow and yeah i made 70 so it was crazy

Speaker 1 yeah so that was my that was the most i've ever made in one month gambling uh that's more than people make ever in gambling yeah

Speaker 1 70k yeah that was my best month dude but it was a crazy story yeah i mean can you imagine like you made all this money and you don't even know if you're going to get paid out because they have you locked out of your account you have to send them like a letter of demand and i'm dude i'm 24 i don't know any of this stuff you know what i mean i still had a job

Speaker 1 i was like dude you were an actuary yeah i'm dealing with all this stress and i'm like what's going on here you know what i mean it was insane that's nuts yeah Did you bet on March Madness this season or no?

Speaker 1 No, because I don't have an edge unless I'm at my PC And I've been running around Vegas for the last month focusing on the content.

Speaker 1 But March Madness and like big events like March Madness are great to gamble on if you're limited because the books will like universally raise limits because they feel more confident in these markets because there's more money, more liquidity, more information.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 those are the best sport games to bet on. And usually they'll have a lot of like exposure to one side.
They'll try to offload it live.

Speaker 1 to the sharps like they'll hold like a little orb to some book and then you could orb both sides and you can get off like the super bowl i made like a lot of money on the super bowl just i made like with no risk really yeah you had the chiefs losing that yeah no i had like very large biased positions on the eagles okay like because chiefs were publicly you know the pub i think the public was heavy on the chiefs yeah like if the chiefs won the books were fucked and a lot of books were hanging eagles like on a really really good price like fanal was bed online was like they were up 24 to zero and bet online had them at minus a thousand at halftime whereas either the book was like minus six thousand cheese so i was like orbing them like over and over and over again and just taking a biased position towards the Eagles because that was the missed price side.

Speaker 1 So I made a lot of money on that day. It was great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, most people watched the Super Bowl. I was just like loving life at my PC.
I didn't even watch the Super Bowl, but I had over a hundred thousand dollars in play on it.

Speaker 1 You didn't miss much. No, I didn't miss anything.
It was hard to watch. No, I loved it.
I was having a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 So with arbitrage, can you lose money? Like, how does that work? You can, yeah, you can. If you mess up, so there's, there'll be times where you're like, you'll bet the same things.

Speaker 1 It'll be user error. Okay.

Speaker 1 Or if like a line moves on you like something that's an orb is gonna the market will correct itself because mathematically speaking it's impossible for an arbitrage to occur without something being mispriced so if something's mispriced people are gonna bet it right right so you gotta be quick to you gotta be the first one to it so it happens a lot where you'll bet one thing and then the other line like if you bet the side that was like

Speaker 1 uh I guess correct first and you you didn't bet the misprice side first, the misprice side will move and then you'll just be riding like a negative 10% EV bet. Oh, shit.
Right.

Speaker 1 So you'd just be having, you just have to wait.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I need your computer. So that's how you would lose money is like user error.
And yeah, like a lot of things can happen.

Speaker 1 Like you can bet like an under and then live, they usually put you on a timer just to make sure you're not like, you know, court siding, which is like having someone at the game and then they're calling you, telling you what's happening.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit, people do that? Oh, yeah, people do that. People on my show do that.
So they're at the game, so they have like a five-second advantage, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the thing is, though, is the books, they'll have like, they have software that knows if you're at the game doing that.

Speaker 1 So they'll have other people go to the game and call them from a different location. What? Yeah, so it's sophisticated.
So what they'll do, these guys on my show,

Speaker 1 I don't want to like spoil it, but they'll go down like 20, 30K on a DraftKings account or something, get VIP status.

Speaker 1 Once you're VIP, you can deposit a lot and then court side it, try to make it look sneaky. Like you got lucky once or twice, you know what I mean? And then just chill.
Wow.

Speaker 1 And it's making like a quick 20K.

Speaker 1 30K bet, you won, and then hang out for a week, right? Don't do anything. It's like cat and mouse.
You know what I mean? Like, you don't want the books to think you're sharp.

Speaker 1 So you lose money and then you'll make some money back. You're like, okay, he's hot.
And then eventually you want to run it up, but you got to do it in a smart way.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you're just going to get limited. Yeah, because there's not many books, right? Yeah, no, they're not legal in the U.S.
It depends on your state, you know?

Speaker 1 So like the best states to gamble, if you want to be a professional sports better, is probably Arizona.

Speaker 1 But Bada is the worst, right? It's bad. Yeah, there's no fandal here.
Yeah. Or DraftKings, right?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, I don't live here.

Speaker 1 No, because I think all the casinos rallied against the online betting ops. Really? Yeah.
Okay, yeah. So terrible for the state.
But I think the casinos have their own.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure if they're good, but like the win has one. Oh, the wind's awful.
It's so easy to beat. Yeah.
Really? Yeah, they were in mass for a little bit, and I was cooking them. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 If I didn't have a banker all the time. You got banned from the wind? Yeah, I'm banned from the wind.
I'm limited, limited, like heavily limited. Same thing at that point.
It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 Like, they would ban you if they could, but they legally can't. So they'll limit you to like $1 bets.
Oh, they legally can't ban you. No, they legally can't ban you.

Speaker 1 Unless you like violate their terms and conditions.

Speaker 1 Like if you're like multi-accounting, like unless they find something in the terms and conditions that they can ban you for, they legally can, they can't ban you for winning.

Speaker 1 They can't ban you for being an advantage player, right? But like they can limit you. That's what they do.
And that's fine, right? That's the game, right? It's cat and mouse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I'm actually like against regulation because

Speaker 1 regulation will just ruin everything. These regulators don't know anything about the industry.
Yeah. They just hear about the problem gambling stories and they'll like

Speaker 1 and the casinos will leverage that to like pass laws against sharps. So they'll like share information.

Speaker 1 Like there was like a bill being talked about to be passed of like a sharing information bill, but everyone just knew right away that these books would just communicate and tell each other who the sharps are, and then no, no sharps would ever be able to exist

Speaker 1 under the guise of problem gambling. Like, oh, this guy's a problem gambler.
Don't let him play. Don't let him play here.
Right. And they're, that was the guise, right?

Speaker 1 And the, the legislators like, oh, it's a great idea, right? Like, it'll help people lose less money.

Speaker 1 But in reality, the sports books are like, yeah, we're just gonna, we're just not gonna get rinsed by these sharps you know so that's why i'm like against regulation because like we understand each other like the sharps in the books like the cat and mouse game that we have to play uh

Speaker 1 so i'd like to just leave keep that relationship as is yeah it's working well so which sharp is the goat like has someone made crazy money doing something like this yeah i mean spanky's like the biggest he runs the largest syndicate in the us so he'll spanky yeah spanky what a name he's in my show all the time oh really yeah he loves it so he's made m's off this oh multiple m's yeah he usually usually gets like, like, I don't even, probably like billions in volume a year at like 3% easy.

Speaker 1 Crazy. So he's printing money, but like he'll get stiffed sometimes.
Like he works with a lot of partners, so he'll get stiff for like a lot of money and stuff like that. But yeah, people run it up.

Speaker 1 Like everyone I associate with in gambling, like they run it up. You know what I mean? Like they're probably making like it depends on who you are and like how risky you are.

Speaker 1 But like people I associate with are in that kind of like 200 to like 500,000 a year range. Right.
And we, we don't like, it's very taboo to share edges with each other.

Speaker 1 Cause like, if someone were to share an edge with me, they would know I would hammer it right and probably kill it. So they don't like share edges like that.

Speaker 1 So that's, I got a lot of hate early on in my career when I first came to Twitter because I was leaking edges. Like I was like streaming live arbitrage, calling it an infinite money glitch on Twitter.

Speaker 1 And all these pros are like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Because that's their livelihood. It's their livelihood.
And I didn't, I had a full-time job. I was just loving life, you know?

Speaker 1 So it is what it is, right?

Speaker 1 That's impressive impressive that you found these people because there's so much BS in the space. Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's easy to tell. For me, it's easy to tell, like, who's a jokester and who's not.

Speaker 1 I mean, even yesterday, you called out someone in front of me. It was-

Speaker 1 It was in five seconds. I'll tell the story.
The guy said he's a baccarat player with an edge. I said, okay, like, you know, what, what, what do you think you're at?

Speaker 1 Like, what percent ROI do you think you're? No, no, I said, I said, how much do you like, I said, what percent ROI do you think your edge is, right? Which is what a normal person would say.

Speaker 1 And he said, oh, I don't know. I try to make like 500.

Speaker 1 I may, he said, I make, he didn't say i try to make he said i make like 500 to a thousand a day and i said okay like how much volume do you get and then he said like ten thousand dollars a day he bets i'm like okay so you have a 10 baccarat edge and he's like yeah and then immediately i knew right away this guy didn't know what he was talking about i mean maybe like there's just it just doesn't exist a 10 baccarat edge like there's no 10 edges in table games in a casino unless you're like cheating somehow yeah right like

Speaker 1 fill Ivy edge sorting, like that was like a, I think like even higher, like 15 to 20% expected value edge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but this guy didn't, this guy, lifetime fitness, did not have a 10% edge, I guarantee it. But yeah, I could like tell him, like, I'll ask him like two questions and I'll know right away.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you knew fast. Yeah, I knew right away.
I mean, like I said, like, I'm a mathematician, so I like, I think about these things in a different way than most people, right? Right.

Speaker 1 Like, I view, like, a lot of people view sports as like who won, who didn't. Oh, this team won.
It was the right side. Right.

Speaker 1 Like, I view things as like, okay, every single sporting event has a theoretical probability of an outcome, right?

Speaker 1 You're trying to make, you're trying to bet on the, on a thing with a better implied probability than the theoretical probability. And that's how you profit long-term.
That's what the casinos do.

Speaker 1 So you just want to act as the casino. You want to make good mathematical bets.
That's how I view things.

Speaker 1 Most people view sports as like, this is a lock. Like this team's going to win.
Right. But like, there's a price in which you bet on that team and it's not profitable to bet on it anymore.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Most people view betting emotionally, I feel like. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 And that's the worst way to do it like like you'll have a bias towards your hometown team or something like that but it's actually a good way to like prep accounts yeah like if you want the bucks to think you're an idiot yeah just keep just keep firing on your hometown team hope they get hot like while you bet on it once you got like 20 or 30 bets under your belt and maybe you start sneaking in some like some EV stuff like some good stuff but man there's a formula behind this you got to act like you're dumb at first and oh yeah you got to you got to be able to punt some money at first like make them think you're an idiot make some really big parlay bets Like, you got to be comfortable.

Speaker 1 It doesn't even matter if you win the bet or lose the bet. All that matters is that you made a bad bet.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, if you, if I came to you and I said, let's flip this coin, if you win, uh, you get $10. If I win, I'll get $5.
You're just going to flip that coin at me all day. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So it's the same thing with the casinos. You'll just make dumb parlay bets and then you can start firing a little bit.
But it's a little more complicated than that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you do any parlays or is the odds just terrible? No, no.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'll do parlays if there's like a parlay boost, like a token or something like that you can get like you can get an edge if they like if they give you like a like a parlay token like no sweatbed or something but besides that no like you could parlay like two expected value bets together and then it's good but no i don't do any parlays i just fire straights all day mathematically it doesn't make sense right no it makes sense mathematically if the bets it within the parlay are mathematically profitable and then you could parlay them or you can make negative expected value bets with correlation to each other so you like there was a big edge on prize picks, which is patched now, where people would just take like the quarterbacks overs and the like the number one and two receivers overs and correlate them, correlate the parlay, and then take the opposing quarterbacks overs.

Speaker 1 Because if it's a high scoring NFL game, it's going to be a high scoring NFL game, right? Everyone's going to go over. So there's correlation.
But independently, each one of those bets was bad.

Speaker 1 But when you correlate them, it was good. So it doesn't, it's not, you can't always say parlays are bad.
Parlays are good. If you can like correlate them properly, they'll be good.

Speaker 1 but you know to most people parlays are bad yeah if you're just gonna degenerately gamble just do straights yeah and just find the best price you know if you like a side just like please just search like two or three books and just get the best price yeah you'll lose way less money yeah have you ever seen someone have an edge in table games yeah of course like black yeah card counters and blackjack and stuff like there's no edge in roulette like there's no edge in I mean, Baccra, obviously, Phil Ivey has an edge, like had an edge.

Speaker 1 Me personally, I don't like do any table game. Like I said, I'm at at my PC like all day, just chilling, you know.
I love it. But table game edges are like hard to find.
There's a lot of slot edges.

Speaker 1 Did you know that? I did. Yeah.
Vegas Matts told me about a few of them. Yeah, slot hustlers.
I've never seen it in person, but I get the idea of like people will run up a machine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a specific machine, right? Yeah, specific machines are good, good, and profitable. But even if you do the math, like I know a guy in Vegas that does it, he walks to every casino every day.

Speaker 1 He only makes like 500 bucks a day. Really? I mean, 500 bucks a day is good, though.
Yeah, but he's spending all day, bro. Really? 12 hours.
Really? Yeah. Okay, so.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like the hourly on that's just. Like 40 bucks an hour.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I guess for some people, it's whatever.
I mean, it's like for some people, would you rather work a nine to five or grind slots all day? He's probably addicted to the slots.

Speaker 1 So he's like, you know, he's fine with doing it, you know? Because slots are addictive. They're addictive.
I know some advantage gamblers who will.

Speaker 1 who are great sports bettors, who will make a lot of money sports betting and then blow it that same night on slots. Really? That's stupid.
It's stupid. I feel so bad.

Speaker 1 It was actually the guy who got me into

Speaker 1 ARBing. Damn.
Yeah. He was like, slots are the worst odds.
Yeah. But they're just so addictive.
It just gets, it just catches you. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's the way they design the slots with the noises and the colors and stuff. It's, they literally design it to be addictive.
Like, they study brain patterns and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 I mean, for me, like, I don't, I just wouldn't get it. Right.
Like, you say, I don't get it. But you're just like, you're too logical.
You're too mathematical. Yeah, I think that's that, right?

Speaker 1 But like most people don't, they just fall into that trap, right? And that's the, that's kind of like the,

Speaker 1 I don't know, that's the nature of the the industry, right? Like if you are going to be a, uh, an advantage gambler, then you have to be okay with people losing money.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you can't win, which is why I don't educate people anymore or teach anyone. Yeah.
You don't sell your picks? No, I can't sell my picks because no one would be able to get them.

Speaker 1 The line would move. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll bet something. And two seconds later, the line's gone.
Damn, no one can get it. Yeah.
They move in a second. They have like Fandel has my account like flagged.
Like this is Elf's account.

Speaker 1 So they'll literally just see it on their chart. Like they will like traders will filter to the sharps like live during the game or pre-match.

Speaker 1 Or if you're maxing something, like if you're only allowed to bet $1,000 on something and you bet $1,000, they're like, okay, this is wrong. Let's move this.

Speaker 1 So if you're going to bet something and you're sending it out to like your clients and the line didn't move,

Speaker 1 then it's a bad sign. That's crazy.
Probably means it wasn't a good bet. I didn't know they moved that quick.
Oh, it moves

Speaker 1 very fast. Yeah, it was stopping.

Speaker 1 You could copy like Nancy Pelosi's trades and stuff. Yeah.
But the line doesn't move as fast. Right.
Because you could actually make money copying insider trading. Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1 But that's a way more liquid market. Like you got to think like each market you're betting on.
Like if you're betting on an NBA player prop, like there might only be like $10,000 bet on that one.

Speaker 1 Right. And then you're like $1,000 of it.
Like you're 10% of the market. You know what I mean? So it's like a stock has...

Speaker 1 hundreds like millions and billions traded on it. Billions.
Like it depends on the stock, but like a lot traded on it. So they're so liquid.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, if you want to throw 10,000 on it, it's not going to move the price. Right.

Speaker 1 If you throw 10 000 on a game it'll move the line right so yeah do you do a lot of de-gen side bets and stuff no never people say i'm like a robot dude really yeah it's it's because i've seen some on your show like the push-up one

Speaker 1 oh yeah so i people like degen sports betting on me yeah i'm the prop so it was like people were just talking on my show about how many push-ups can elf do in a minute and there's a popular sports better named amanda vance she comes on my show all the time and she was i was supposed to go to a hockey game with her.

Speaker 1 And she said, if you could do 50 push-ups in a minute, so she set the line, I'll buy you the hockey tickets. I was like, all right, bet.
I'm going to do these 50 push-ups, right?

Speaker 1 And my audience is like, we want to bet on it. So I hit up Profit X.
I was like, put up a line for this, right? Like, can Elf do 50 push-ups in a minute? And there was $150,000 wagered on me. Damn.

Speaker 1 If I could do 50 push-ups in a minute. And obviously, I knew if I could or not, right? Like, I didn't tell anyone.
It could be insider information, insider trading.

Speaker 1 And the line closed at like minus 160. So it was a fair market, right? Like, nothing really got leaked.

Speaker 1 But there was a lot of controversy around it. One, because I orbed my own market.
So like Profit X had it up and Bet Online had it up. And I was literally just chilling.
And I was an ARB.

Speaker 1 And I bet both sides of myself made like a quick five bucks. And I tweeted it.
I was like, I was like, yo, just arb myself. Like, this is hilarious.
You know, I'm a player prop. Like, ha, ha, ha.

Speaker 1 And everyone's like, he just bet on his own under. Like, he's going to throw the competition.
Like, you know what I'm saying? Because it was a liquid market.

Speaker 1 So, like, I could have bet like 20,000 on my under and just gone under. Yeah, you could have made a lot.
Yeah, I could have, but at the risk of my reputation, right? So, so it was a bad idea.

Speaker 1 But I tweeted that, and people who didn't understand arbitrage just looked at the one bet and they're like, he bet his own under. I'm bet online.
Like, this is bad. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So it was a big controversy leading up to it, which really just built more hype for the competition.

Speaker 1 So if you went on Profit X that day of the, of the push-up competition, the most traded event was like, there was one NBA game that day. It was like $500,000 wagered on in total.

Speaker 1 The second was the PGA championship. The third was the Elf push-up.
That was fucking hilarious. Yeah, so like, there was all these rules that were that we stuck to.

Speaker 1 I had to have my chest touch a Coca-Cola can. I needed to be shirtless so that they could verify my chest hit the cans.
Was it standing up or sideways?

Speaker 1 It was standing up because if it was sideways, if my chest hit it, it would have rolled away.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine if I was doing the push-ups and there was like 1.1k people in there? Like it was a sponsored episode.

Speaker 1 The CEO of Profit X was like so worried that this would go wrong and then they would look bad.

Speaker 1 But I banged out 55 push-ups for the boys. No questions.
You were training before. I was training.
I'm in good shape.

Speaker 1 I love the gym. That's impressive.
So, yeah. And then there was one guy who worked out with me, Brett, and he bet $8,000 on me to go over the first day the market came out and then tweeted it.

Speaker 1 So there was enough information out there, like public information that people could have like figured out if I was going to go over or not.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, like, if you watch my show, I wear glasses on my, I wear glasses normally. I look like a nerd.
You know, I'm a math kid. So people just figured I couldn't do the push-ups, right?

Speaker 1 So then there was all this money wagered on the event. I can see that.
Yeah. And there'll be more money wagered on this Sean Perry fight.
That one might hit a million. It could.

Speaker 1 We got to get the lineup like quick. How much was bet on the Mozzie Sean one? Was it six figures? So it was six figures.
And Bet Online opened the market two hours before the fight. Damn.

Speaker 1 damn they started off to win 100

Speaker 1 so super low limits and they hit six figures and they only bumped it up to 500

Speaker 1 right before the fight and they hit six figures so yours will definitely hit a mill oh i mean i i would like to hit a mill it would be crazy if it hit a mill but i'll tell them to whoever puts up the line like you got to make the limits high like i want people to be able to bet like 5k on the yeah i wonder why they only did a hundred for that one they just didn't know like like you're not gonna have a lot of money wagered on something like sean perry versus Mozzie.

Speaker 1 Like, they didn't even know who Mozzie was. It was funny.
I was streaming the fight, right? And I would show things happening and it would move the line in real time. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, Sean Perry was like, I was hanging out with Sean Perry all day. He's talking his shit, looking good, whatever.

Speaker 1 The line's like minus 250, Sean Perry. Mozzie comes to the gym in a Lamborghini, gets right in Sean's face, tells him.

Speaker 1 in front of the live that he's going to kill him and he can't wait to knock him the fuck out. The line moved from minus 230 Sean Perry.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, Mozzie's the favorite just because he's talking shit there's no reason right so then we get in the gym and people are betting on it we have dave mason on it's like electric he's talking about people betting what the line moving and then i show mozzie warming up and mozzie's the favorite right to win the fight and he's punching the bag like this you can tell he's never thrown a punch the line moved from mozzie like minus 200 mozzie was like plus 200 after that.

Speaker 1 Like so everyone hammered Perry right after I showed Mozzie throwing punches. So it was hilarious.
Like the line was moving in real time with the live streams. Yeah.
So it was great.

Speaker 1 I thought Mozzie, with all that shit talking, was going to win. Yeah, he was telling me he was going to kill him.
He's like, I'm going to die in the ring. Like, and he meant it too.

Speaker 1 Like, if it was a street fight, Mozzie would have won. But since they did boxing with gloves and, you know, because Mozzie came out firing and knocked Sean right on his ass immediately.
I saw that.

Speaker 1 And then he went to swing on him while he's on the ground. Boxers don't do that.
You know what I mean? Yeah. So if it was a street fight, Mozzie would have won, but you know, it was a boxing fight.

Speaker 1 So by round two, Perry was just knocking him down and it was like a cartoon. You were like watching a cartoon almost.
Like Mozzie was tired. He would charge at Sean.

Speaker 1 Sean would throw a jab at him and get hit. And then he would like stumble and fall.
And then there's like a photo of Mozzie like in the ring on the wall.

Speaker 1 Hilarious memes came from that. Yeah.
So that was, that was electric. And I think like there'll be more money waged on Meeve or Sean than, oh, definitely, definitely more than.

Speaker 1 than the Mozzie fight, just because there wasn't enough time. At this point, you might have to start a league for these sports bettors to fight each other.
Yeah, Yeah, I must, I'll start.

Speaker 1 There's so much beef on my show. Everyone wants to fight each other.
Yeah, I saw King Cap was beefing. King Cap was beefing with Sean.

Speaker 1 He wants to fight Sean, but he's got like a little neck injury or something, so he didn't want to. Mozzie wants to fight Sean.
Brett wants to fight Man in the Library.

Speaker 1 The character MPB, who's like scammed a bunch of bookies. People hate him.

Speaker 1 Someone paid me $3,000 in escrow to get MPB to show up to the fight so he can fight him on the undercard. So like people just want to fight.
You know, they saw this one fight.

Speaker 1 They want to, they want to to fight you're having an undercard too yeah there's gonna be an undercard damn this thing's legit yeah it'll be legit streamed refs everything yeah holy crap it'd be great i'm glad you have the refs this time yeah we're gonna have refs this time yeah that way there's no bullshit you know there's a lot of pushing

Speaker 1 oh yeah a lot of pushing

Speaker 1 i think it's dirty boxing right what are you gonna do and there's no money on the line like this time sean and i are putting up a hundred thousand you think he'll put it up though

Speaker 1 we'll see the guy's so annoying to deal with i i asked some people to like that he trusts if they wanted to escrow it and they said no they don't want anything to do with him.

Speaker 1 So he wants to just, what does he want to do? Get a lawyer. I said, I'm down.
Get the lawyer. And he's like, oh, we have a month.
We'll do it like later. Damn.

Speaker 1 I'm like, all right, like, if you want to do this, like, let's do it. You know what I mean? He says he wants to fight, but he just doesn't.
He's got this rib injury. He's pushing it off.

Speaker 1 He's being a little bitch. You know what I mean? So.
Damn.

Speaker 1 You got a show tonight? What's next? Yeah, I got a show tonight. I got a show.
He's coming on tonight. We don't know yet.
I have a few guests lined up. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oli Krabs bets from the Book It Crew is coming on tomorrow night. We might get spanky on tonight

Speaker 1 um i asked a few people so i i mean and they might have texted me back during the podcast i don't know but a lot of the times the guests are spontaneous like if something pops up on twitter i'm all over it i'm like come on the hell you're good at that yeah really good at that and like i'm really good at stirring the pot like capturing the moment that's that's why i think my show kind of took off yeah was you know i know what people like they like drama they like beef in this space yeah because a bunch of degens just you know sports betting and degenerate sports betting they just they just want something to bet on you know what i mean like if it's an elf push-up market, if it's a fight between two influencers, they love that stuff.

Speaker 1 That's what gets the most action, you know? And it's different, right? Like, there's professional events every single day, you know, and you'll bet on it.

Speaker 1 But like, you know, when this kid is fighting like a sports better they see on the internet all the time with his shirt off, like they want to bet on that, you know?

Speaker 1 So these books want to, and they want to sponsor it, which is great. You know, I love it.
So you built, I built a lot of good relationships with the sports books because of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hopefully they stopped banning you because of your audience now. Yeah, I hope so.

Speaker 1 You could provide them a lot of business too. Yeah, absolutely.
I bring a ton of, you bring volume to them. That's all they care about.
Depositors, you know, they don't want you to bring sharps on.

Speaker 1 But if you bring, if you just bring initial depositors and signups, that's what they care about.

Speaker 1 Because like each signup, they'll give you bonus bets to sign up because they know for every user they sign up, it's like, I think it's like $1,600 in expected value. That's crazy.
Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 that's how much the average person loses per year that signs up. That's actually nuts.
If you bring them 100 people, that's 160K. A year in perpetuity, right?

Speaker 1 So it's like it's worth millions of dollars. Millions.
Yeah. Because

Speaker 1 like, yeah, the perpetuity problem is. Yeah, because of lifetime value.
Right. Yeah.
And then they know how to keep these guys as customers, right? They know how to send emails.

Speaker 1 Like, if they haven't gambled in a week or something, send them a bonus bet, right? Get them back, you know. You know, the psychology behind the casinos, too.
That's smart. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 And you can play on it too. Like, if you're on an account and it's lost, like, 10K or something like that, you can like email, email them.
I'm like, oh, I'm down so much.

Speaker 1 Like, can I get a bonus bet or something and they'll usually give you one no way yeah you got to play into it you know wow you got to pretend like you're losing but there's if you go too far with it and you're like oh my wife is like mad at me then they'll if there's certain words you can't say they'll lock your account for problem gambling really yeah because the alcoholism yeah like oh i lost my job something stuff like that like if you're trying to play into it too much they'll they'll lock you out they'll they'll exclude you because like legally they have to right um but if you say like oh like i lost so much this week like can i get a bonus bet or something like they'll usually say yeah yeah you know so if they see you're losing yeah have you been ip banned or uh your house i've never been ip banned brett did get ip banned from fanal after the whole march thing because he used like seven different accounts on all his family members in the same address so they just ip banned it i haven't been ip banned but i've been i've been limited like so many times like more than i can count it hurts every time yeah you know because you'll have an edge on a book and then you get limited it's like a dagger yeah there goes 90 of your there goes there goes this some volume there and you you got to find a new book to bet on.

Speaker 1 Do you ever book on the sketchy crypto ones or nah? No, never. Every single offshore book I use is like, I make sure they're legit.
You know what I mean? So I only use like,

Speaker 1 I use Bet 105, Bet Online, Bookmaker,

Speaker 1 like some of the... Bet Online clones that have the same lines.
You can get double the volume, stuff like that. But only like reputable ones that like the pros use.

Speaker 1 So not stake or those other ones. No, I don't use that because

Speaker 1 it's not available in the us if it's like vpn it oh yeah and i haven't figured out how to like vpn my pc on like one window and not the rest because if you have a vpn on you won't be able to access like fanduel like they're very good oh really yeah yeah they don't want people vpnning in damn yeah they're really good like you won't be able to vpn into fandle from europe not a chance really yeah no wow so you got to be in a legal state they're on that yeah holy crap i didn't know that no yeah i used to use a vpn nord vpn really yeah it'll work for like stake and rubed and stuff because like they know that they want the U.S.

Speaker 1 clients, right?

Speaker 1 But FanDuel, with all the like the like the U.S. legislation and stuff, like, they'll get hit with a massive lawsuit.
It's not worth it for them to allow VPNs, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're really good with it. Well, dude, what's next for you? Where can people find you and stay tuned to the show? Yeah, so find you can find me on Twitter at elf.

Speaker 1 If you just search elf, I'll come up, but my at is at yellff underscore.

Speaker 1 And then if you're into boxing stuff, I'll be posting a lot of like exclusive boxing stuff on my Instagram page that I just started. So that is at Y E L F F underscore underscore.

Speaker 1 So there's an extra underscore. Someone had it or something.
I don't know how. But how does someone have that one?

Speaker 1 Yeah. We'll link it below.
Yeah, we'll link it. The L F I G needs to grow.
So we'll support the IG.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Thanks coming on, bro.
That was fun. Hey, absolutely.
My pleasure.

Speaker 1 See you in the ring. I'll see you in the ring.
Peace, guys.

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