Irfan Peci: Caught Between Two Worlds: A Spy’s Dangerous Mission | DSH #1489

Lucky.

I mean it was not easy.

I was

as a terrorist, as a member of a terrorist organization.

I was 23, sometimes 24 hours alone in isolation.

Wow.

And it was really hard with 19 years.

I was 19 at that time in a high-security prison and I was there for one year.

Jeez.

Alone.

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Last interview of the trip, we got Irfan.

One of the craziest stories I've ever heard.

Um, thanks for coming on, man.

Thank you.

Could you please uh explain your story for people that don't know who you are and what you went through?

Yeah, my name is Irfan.

I'm 36 and born in Serbia, grew up in Germany,

and yeah, the crazy on my story is that I was

a radical Muslim, and today I'm a Christian.

And

yeah how it starts.

I grew up like a normal normal kid and then with 14, 15 I was interested in religion and searching for truth and because I'm a born I was a born Muslim I start to read the Quran and everything

And

then I met some radical Muslims and they saw that I'm interested in religion and then they explained me first the religion and

normal stuff like how to pray, how to fast and these things.

And then later it starts with politics and jihad to fight

holy war is a duty for every Muslim.

And at that time,

to be honest, I like it.

And I don't have a bad intention to be an evil person or something, but I want to be a good Muslim.

And that's why I was not thinking, is it good or bad?

I was only interested,

is that my duty as a Muslim?

Did I have to do that as a Muslim?

Then I will do it.

And if it means that I have to kill non-believers or go to war, I will go to war.

And that was my intention.

And thank God I was arrested before that.

That means

how did you get arrested?

They find you.

They find me because I do a lot of propaganda on the internet and

through my IP address.

I don't know exactly how, but was this in Germany?

Yeah, it was in Germany.

They observed me for one year or something.

The German, like FBI,

they have me on their list.

And my intention was to go to Afghanistan to

fight in jihad.

And I was with a group of 10, 15 people.

And

I do a lot of propaganda, radical propaganda.

And

they, and when they see that I want to go to war, they arrest me before.

Yeah.

And thank God because that was really good.

That might have saved your life.

That saved my life because all the other guys

from 15 people,

13 are dead.

Wow.

Yeah.

Through

most of them through CIA drone attacks.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

And one, one or two comes back, and they were, I don't know, eight, nine years in prison.

Jeez.

And I can be really lucky.

I mean, it was not easy.

I was

in jail like

as a terrorist, as a member of a terrorist organization.

I was 23, sometimes 24 hours alone in isolation.

Wow.

And it was really hard with 19 years.

I was 19 at that time in a high security prison in

southern Germany.

And I i was there for one year geez alone isolation isolation totally alone um

but um when i look back it was really good because um yeah if not if they would not arrest me i would go with the other guys and then i will be dead and i will be killed or i'd be i i i would kill other people and that's why i'm i'm i'm

um i'm i'm lucky and happy that they arrest me before right and then they arrested you and then they ended up recruiting you right yeah uh that was after jail i was released after one year

and uh they asked me uh or before i was when i was in jail uh i change i start to to to think critical of everything right uh is that what god wants from me to kill people to go to war and everything

and uh because i was alone and i start to to to to think a lot and to read books and everything.

And then something

in my mind changed.

And then I say in jail, it was already in jail.

After six months in isolation, I say,

I don't want that anymore.

When they release me, I will start a new life, start work.

I want to have a family, kids, wife, totally

regularly normal life.

And then I was released after one year.

And then they came to me,

the German intelligence came to me and they asked me, what are your plans?

What do you want to do?

I say, I want a normal life.

You know, I'm not a danger anymore.

I'm done with it.

And they say, look, that's good.

That's good.

But why you don't start to work for us?

Because you know a lot of dangerous guys and you're very, very good connected in whole Europe.

Because I'm originally from the Balkans and

I know a lot of radical people there, a lot of radical networks in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Balkans.

And they offer me to work for them.

And I think about that and I did it on the end because I feel like responsible because

I radicalized other people, other young Muslims.

And I feel like that's, yeah, I feel kind of guilty.

Feel guilty.

Yeah, guilty and responsible.

And I saw that like an opportunity to do something good, to do something good for Germany, for the people, for the security, because Germany gave us all.

We go to Germany when the Balkan War started, 91.

And then we flew to Germany as refugees.

And

I have a beautiful life.

I had a beautiful life there.

And Germany gave us everything.

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And I was,

that was one of the reasons why I said, I'm so unthankful,

the country that gives us everything.

And I, on the end, I was radicalized and wanted to harm the country and harm the people.

And then I see that as an opportunity to give something back, to do something good.

And then I agreed.

And they sent me to Berlin because Berlin was the hotspot of jihadis, of radical Islamists.

And then I go back

instead of

to to to um yeah to step out to say look i'm done i go back

um

and as as something like an undercover agent and then i was among them collecting information and uh we did a lot of good important things for example

I was able to prevent one terrorist attack.

Wow.

Yeah.

Then where was that attack up?

Yeah, it was a young Turkish guy.

He's dead.

He was in prison after that and then goes to Syria.

Yeah.

Fight in jihad and then he died in

fighting Assad's regime.

And

he was in contact with a high-ranking terrorist in Afghanistan and he started he recruit him.

and say, look, we want to do a terrorist attack in Berlin.

And he was thinking that i will help him and i was the wrong guy he trusted and he trusted me and say look i get an order from this guy in afghanistan and he say you can come to afghanistan but you will be a normal soldier if you do if you want to do a good thing

important thing

uh then don't come to afghanistan yeah uh you can kill lot lot more unbelievers in berlin if you do a terrorist attack than here.

And

yeah, and then

I was working with my intelligence.

I had like an intelligence officer, and I told him everything.

And then we make a plan when we, how, and when we will arrest him, because that's the difficult thing that he doesn't realize that the information comes from me.

Right.

And that's really complicated and difficult to use this information, but in the same time to protect me as an informant, right?

Yeah, and the other things were

we stopped a lot of people.

For example,

I saw this guy, he's preparing, he wants to go to Afghanistan, he's collecting money, he's shaving his beard,

drinking alcohol, going to clubs so that the police and intelligence think that he's not radical anymore.

And

I

identify such people and say, look, this guy, I'm pretty sure he wants to go.

And then we make a plan to take his passport, to arrest him because of other things, so that he's not able to go and to kill American soldiers because, you know, Americans,

they were the enemy number one.

I mean, yeah, every unbeliever is an enemy, but

they were

very motivated to, especially to kill American soldiers and

generally NATO soldiers.

And that was the other

thing, a lot of what we do.

And I think we prevent around

20, 25 people, radical Islamists, to go to war and to kill people.

Wow.

And in this time, I saw how important that is, what I'm doing.

Well done.

So what years were you part of Al-Qaeda?

Five years, you said?

Yeah, I was radicalized with 16.

And then I was like till 19, this three, four years, I was part of

radical Islamist networks, Al-Qaeda and others.

And then I was arrested and then I started to work for intelligence.

How long have you, are you still with the intelligence now?

Or did you?

No, no, I'm not with them anymore.

I work for them um around two years okay

and uh yeah on the end i had i have a burnout uh because it was

24 hours stressful it was uh because i was all the time in danger i have to be careful what i'm saying and i know if they

know who i am what i what i do

if if they if this will be revealed then i'm done you're dead they will they will kill me did that almost happen to you was two three situations it was very very close wow for example i can give you one story um

they say uh a tunisian guy they say he's very interested and we need uh information we need some pictures what he has what we think that he has on his laptop

um you need to find a way to get this pictures to get this data from his laptop and i was thinking how I can do that.

He will not give me his laptop and say,

here's my laptop.

And then I was visiting him.

And then I say, look, I need some stuff from the internet.

I have my stick with me.

Can I use only quick two minutes?

Can I use your laptop?

Yeah.

I need something.

And he said, yeah, sure, you can.

And then he was sitting in front of me like you, and I had his laptop.

And I was sitting with him, smiling,

talking.

And I take take all the data what I can from his laptop.

And he was in front of me.

And

I say, and then, I mean, I was not sure, is that enough?

But I take so much I can.

And then I give him the laptop back.

And I was going home and put the stick on my laptop, looking, what is that?

Okay, I think I have the pictures.

And then on the same day, on the evening, my laptop was open.

You saw all the pictures.

pictures and then after two three hours uh somebody's knocking on my door and i was thinking it's the neighbor or somebody and then i open the door and then he stands in front of me with four other guys no way and uh most of them had weapons like knives or something with them

and um

I was totally surprised, surprised because I was thinking it's a neighbor or somebody.

And then they're coming in and I forget that my laptop is open with all the information with his with the pictures and everything and then they cover they coming in my living room and uh i have a small apartment and that at that time and then i saw the ta the desk with my laptop open and then i'm going there close closely quick close the laptop and uh it was coincidence that they came

and closing my laptop and i was dying in this moment i was really dying you have to be a very very hope you guys are enjoying the show.

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Thank you.

Good actor.

Yeah.

Your heart was probably racing.

My heart was racing.

I mean, you didn't saw that, but I think they did.

I didn't saw they didn't recognize that.

But I was dying.

I was dying because if they saw that, everything would be clear.

Why should I take private pictures and data from his laptop?

Yeah, you can't talk your way.

They would be 100% sure.

And there was, I mean, I can't defend myself, but there were four or five guys with knives and everything.

They would, they would kill me.

Damn, that's crazy, man.

They need to make a movie from your life.

Yeah,

I have an offer to make a movie, and I think that would be a good movie.

Yeah, but you know, in this times, it's very important.

It's very difficult to make such a movie because

yeah, it's expensive.

And today, I'm more a conservative, right-wing guy.

Germany is very leftist.

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But I hope someday

maybe American will see that and can make a Hollywood movie or something.

I think it will be a great movie.

It will be.

Where can people follow you and support you, man?

I have a YouTube channel.

My name is Irfan Petsy.

I have a YouTube channel.

90% of my stuff is in German, but you have this, you can activate this English subtitles.

And

I have some live streams with Apple State Prophet.

I one in English and in future I will do more, I think I will do more more content on English.

I have to exercise a little bit so that my English is a little bit better

and so that I can do live streams on English.

But yeah, that's my channel.

Thanks for your time, man.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Can't wait to do another interview with you.

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