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Um,

large and part due to Waze, which was invented.

Yeah, Waze was a great idea to show the traffic and the time that set up.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

And that's, yeah, Waze, right?

So, uh, and you know, I don't, I'm not a Google Maps user, but I'm a Google Maps user.

You like Apple Maps?

Yeah, what?

Yeah, Google Maps easy.

Really?

Yeah, well, it's like what pulls up my phone when I Google.

All right, guys, we are at Student Action Summit.

We got Cam here.

You ready to do this thing, man?

Yeah.

Sunburn.

Yeah, a little sunburn.

From Aruba, but

let's do it.

What's been new with you lately, man?

I know you got assaulted a few months ago.

Yeah, yeah.

I was out in Seattle undercover covering the riots.

And

a group of three guys came up.

I was sitting down against a half wall.

There's kind of a lull in the riot.

And three guys came up, pinned me up against that wall, held my hands behind my back.

I was fumbling to get my pepper spray.

And they just, you know, punched me in the back of the head, kicked me in the face.

And,

you know, we're still struggling to get to get any kind of justice.

No camera footage on it.

No, we got camera footage.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Prosecutor just.

Oh, so you got their names and everything?

I have two of their names.

Okay.

Yeah.

Wow.

And nothing stemmed from that?

I mean, there's an investigation.

There's a detective on the case.

Yeah.

But

Seattle PD can't, they're defunded by 21% in Seattle.

So they can't waste city resources dealing with a situation that the prosecutor won't prosecute.

Wow.

So it's like a waste.

You know, if you, if, if the prosecutor won't take the case, there is no point in arresting this person.

And also, so when I, when I called, um,

and to make the report, which I struggled for days, I couldn't get a hold of anybody.

Um, they never sent an officer to the scene after the assault.

So

45 minutes I waited.

My car was on the other side of the riot, couldn't get to it.

Finally, Jonathan Cho, another journalist, Turning Point Frontline, showed up and he gave me a ride.

Cops never showed up.

So I struggled to get a hold of the police department and get this report filed.

Finally, I get a hold of somebody and they tell me,

listen, we don't, the prosecutor does not take cases related to protests in Seattle.

So like very likely nothing will get done.

Some time passes.

A lot of media is reaching out to the police department, their PR department.

Hey, what's going on with this?

It's in the assault and homicide unit.

A detective has not been assigned to the case.

So my girlfriend is like

mad at this point.

Calls them.

Hey, why has a detective not been assigned to this case?

Because at this point, it's

what if they show up to our house, you know?

And so

they tell her, this is a misdemeanor assault.

We don't prosecute misdemeanors in Seattle.

Missed it broadly, just misdemeanors do occupy.

This is a felonious assault, but I didn't know there was types of assault like misdemeanor.

Yeah, yeah, it depends on the

like different factors in the assault but um so we got to upgrade it to felony assault because he was using a weapon and um still just you know it's like you have to they have to fight with the prosecutors to actually take it as a felony yeah and so that's what happens when you're in a liberal city like that right yeah exactly sure la would be a similar experience well i mean la is a little better i think i think basically how everyone so you know

If you, where do you live?

I'm in Vegas.

Okay, so Vegas.

Maybe it's not, you don't so much get this in Vegas, but like I grew up in New York and the way everyone talks about California is like, you know, it's just this liberal crap hole.

It's terrible.

Nobody should live there.

It's just, you know, terrible.

Whatever.

It's just totally liberalified.

California is actually,

if you're just, as long as you're not in Weho, West Hollywood, you're fine.

Los Angeles is actually very diverse in terms of like political outlook and stuff like that.

I found there's a lot of conservatives.

Prager U is based there, which is where I worked there for two years.

And

Seattle, on the other hand, where I live now, is exactly how everyone else in the country describes California.

So it's like, I mean, I guess California is probably pretty bad at Berkeley.

So

we went and did some protest coverage in Berkeley, and one of my friends had a gun pulled on them.

Jeez.

So

there are parts of California that are rough, but.

Why Seattle?

Why'd you choose?

Work.

Oh, cool.

Damn.

So you're like the only conservative in town out there pretty much yeah there are there are literally posters of my face are all around no way i swear to god yeah that's wild yeah and what led up to that incident was it any buildup like that assault yeah that assault yeah well

so

i went to a riot at city hall there was a christian worship event there first there was one in uh like a really famous park in seattle that's named after like some gay guy who lived in seattle cal anders yeah

so there was this christian worship event there.

There was a riot.

A lot of people got arrested on the Antifa side.

Nobody on the Christian side.

There was this huge problem.

The mayor was like, these are far-right extremists.

They literally did nothing.

There was no violence, nothing.

So he made it seem like all the violence came from them, which it didn't.

And so they were very upset.

They did a protest at City Hall protesting the mayor.

So then, of course, like the Antifa folks gathered outside.

And as the Christians would enter that event, they would just beat the crap out of any Christians going in.

And so I met this guy there who had seen me with another local journalist, Katie Davis Court with the post-millennium.

And

immediately, everyone knows Katie in Seattle.

Yeah.

Cause, you know, it's like me, Jonathan Cho, and Katie were like the only conservative journalists in town.

And so this, you know, this guy knows Katie.

This guy's friends with Katie, whatever, you know, so he's, he immediately expected me.

She needed like a portable charger or something.

I gave it to her.

And

so from that moment on, my cover is blown.

I'm undercover.

I'm dressed, you know, like a militant.

And they're following me around, recording me and stuff.

I'm like, dude, look, I, I'm, I don't know her.

I just, you know, she's just another journalist.

I thought, I thought I'd help her out.

You know, I've been in situations where my phone said I can't get back home because I Uber or whatever.

They're like, so you're telling me you don't know Katie?

No, no, like, I literally just met her today.

I had no idea who she is or what she stands for.

And I convinced him that I'm a socialist.

I told him I'm a market socialist.

And, you know, I even pulled the like, don't laugh at me.

I'm a market socialist because it's like, you know, for people who are like communists, it's like a laughable position.

And he was like, really?

I'm like, yeah, look, I'm on your side.

I shook his hand.

This guy's name is Tyler.

So

I, he had like ripped my hat off my head and stuff and like kind of pushed me around a little bit.

And so I, of course, like, I exposed him.

I posted his name and face on on Twitter.

Yeah.

And so now he's DMing me on Instagram, threatens to kill me.

Jeez.

Says, you show up to another protest, I'm going to bring my gun and kill you.

I'm like, okay, all right.

So I'm obviously still going to do my job.

So he was one of the attackers.

Wow.

Yeah.

He wasn't the one that gave me the concussion, but he was one of the.

So that's premeditated.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Was the one that started it too.

He's like the ringleader.

So he goes, you know, I'm sitting up against that half wall and he goes, Hey, Cam, it's time for you to leave from across the street.

And then they approach me.

And I was like, Fuck.

Sorry, I don't know if I can swear.

No, you're good.

You're good.

Yeah.

I was like, there we go.

Damn, that's, you know, went down.

And

yeah.

Has that

scared you in any way from continuing your work in the future?

Well, I was told by the hospital that if you get hit in the head again after having a concussion, it's like a

high risk of traumatic brain injury.

Shit.

So I was like,

I haven't gone out very much since then.

I went to LA

last weekend, maybe

and covered riots there.

Dude, LA is nuts.

Our boy Fabian got jumped in L.A.

three guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like crazy.

I don't leave backpacks in my car when I go to go to L.A.

Like it gets broken into instantly.

Political violence is like on the rise bad.

I covered the first round of riots there too.

And then I did 4th of July weekend in LA.

And it's just,

I don't know.

The good thing is like, I felt comfortable going to LA because I used to be pretty well known in LA.

I still am pretty well known in LA, especially like at UCLA.

And, you know, if they see me walk in, they're immediately going to target me.

But when I'm undercover and I haven't lived in LA for

a year,

it's going to be, they're not expecting me.

You know what I mean?

So they're not going to be, oh, where's Cam?

Whereas when I lived there, that's what they were.

Yeah, so you have to go undercover everywhere now?

Pretty much.

Yeah.

and it's it's not a you know a lot of people see it as kind of like a sketchy thing like uh you know because there was a lot of rumors after January 6th of there's these media guys in the crowd and they're riling stuff up and trying to start stuff it's like no that's that's not what I do I'm a silent observer I just record what I see

it's for like just as a safety thing yeah because if I'm out of cover Not only is it dangerous and I'm going to get attacked,

which has happened countless times to me.

It's also, they're just going to stand in front of me with Kafias and I'm not going to be able to record anything.

So I can't do my job.

Right.

You know what I mean?

I saw you made a video debunking Dean Withers' big beautiful Bill response video.

That went viral.

Yeah.

That's an interesting dude, right?

Dean Withers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Would you ever debate him?

I have debated him.

Oh, you have?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

I got a lot.

It's on a TikTok live, so it's not saved anywhere.

Oh, got it.

Yeah, we've debated it a bunch of times.

I think Dean is my least favorite out of the four of them.

You know,

the thing is, is, I find like Harry, I can have a beer with Harry.

I have had a beer with Harry.

He's,

I hate his politics.

I hate his TikTok account.

I hate like pretty much everything he says, but when you get him, like, at the DNC, we're at the bar.

Yeah.

And it's like, okay, we're not like, you know, whatever.

We're just hanging out.

I've talked to him off camera and he is like someone I've been friends with.

Yeah, same with Chris.

I mean, Chris, in my opinion, Chris Maori is the most sensible out of all four of them.

Yeah, for sure.

Chris actually wants to like learn.

You You know what I mean?

And he's very,

I think he's very intellectually honest.

I don't agree with anything he says

pretty much, but he's he's very intellectually honest or at least more intellectually honest than the rest of them.

Harry, I think, is kind of

just like

saying whatever they want to hear.

You know what I mean?

He got exposed for getting paid.

I mean, we know what it is.

Yeah, he says whatever, whatever

his audience wants to hear.

Dean is like audience captured.

You know, he's like become such a little baby.

I feel like he's making an apology video every week now for something new.

Yeah, it's like, dude, dude, just stick to your guns, man.

Own it.

Like, it's like you're going to do some dumb stuff.

No apology video I've ever watched afterwards.

I'm like, that was a great video.

I've said some crazy stuff.

I've never made an apology video, and I never will.

Yeah.

I mean, just own it.

I'd rather you own it and be wrong than to apologize.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

And then the fourth kid is Parker, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, Parker.

What do you think about him?

i mean

he's better than dean but it's like yeah it's for me it's like in terms of like

intellectually honest it's like chris

i don't know i can't

it depends on the day right yeah i feel like it depends on the topic because it's like it's like

i'd probably like hang out with Harry the most out of any of them.

Harry and Chris.

But like Harry is not intellectually honest.

Sorry.

Facts.

I mean, it is what it is, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, like,

uh, on the apology video thing, it's like when I'm when I say something that's wrong, and it's happened, it happens to everybody who's a political commentary.

You're gonna say something that's wrong, you're gonna make a mistake, you're not gonna do enough research, you're gonna get debunked or whatever.

Happens to everybody, there's not really any escaping it, you know, even with even Ben Shapiro.

Ben Shapiro used to have like a live page of all of the times he said like incorrect things.

Oh, wow.

So,

um, I make a, I make uh, like admit, I think like admittance videos, right?

Where I say like, yep, okay, so I said this.

It was incorrect.

You know, I analyzed this study improperly, whatever.

No, that's respect.

But, but I don't apologize for it.

You know what I mean?

I'm not, oh, I'm so sorry that I hurt your feelings, guys.

No, you made an honest mistake.

I admitted it.

I was like, I made a mistake.

This is what happened.

Yeah.

You also debated Jackson Hinkle.

Yeah.

So he can't come to the country anymore, by the way.

What?

Yeah.

To America?

I don't think he can, bro.

Really?

I mean, he's gone so far down the rabbit hole.

Who knows?

He got...

Wow.

No, it's not official but he's just in a whole nother world yeah i did he say that or somebody else said that no i don't think i don't think anyone said it yeah that's public yet i might have to he's uh i mean the thing i see with jackson all the time is like he's like if i go to israel they're gonna kill me it's like dude

they're not gonna kill you because you went to israel right it's like if you're not in this other thing too i'm seeing a lot of people on tick tock right now yeah saying things like i got you know i'm being detained at at us customs right now it's like i I flew here to Tampa from Aruba.

Half the people on my flight were brown.

Customs.

Do you have any meat on you?

No.

Did you buy anything in Aruba over $1,000?

Nope.

All right.

Don't even look at your passport.

If you got detained at U.S.

customs, you were either doing something illegal or you were trying to get detained.

They're not just going to detain you for no reason.

Who's that streamer that said he got detained on the left?

Hassan.

Yeah.

Hassan Abby.

Yeah.

It's like you're trying to get detained.

If you are an American citizen and you have a U.S.

passport, most of the time they're not even going to look at your passport.

They're going to ask you like a very simple same thing when I went to Spain.

They're going to ask you a very simple round of questions.

Usually it's two.

Did you buy anything over $1,000?

Sometimes do you have more than $10,000 cash on you?

And do you have any like food or meat?

No.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, that was a big deal for a few weeks.

I don't know if people are still talking about that issue, but

I remember people were freaking out saying they're going to start deporting people.

Yeah.

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

I think it was fear mongering.

There's so much fear mongering.

Tons of it.

Yeah.

I see right through it.

Alligator Alcatraz concentration camp.

Yeah.

They're trying to bring back the real Alcatraz too, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Expensive project.

You were just on Tim Pool and Myron Gaines was super chatting, saying you were, you weren't intelligent.

Yeah, yeah.

Myron Gaines was super chatting a couple.

I was on Tim Pool.

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cast and he was we were talking about israel and i think i was talking about um the benefits of america's relationship with israel and he was saying

he didn't have any counter he just paid to have tim read a super chat that that basically said i was an idiot and i was like And I just looked right at the camera and I was like, dude, debate me.

Like, just debate me.

And that was right before my debate with Phil Turney, who is a USS Liberty survivor.

And of course, that's something that Myron likes to talk about, the USS Liberty, which is a ship that Israel sank.

And there's a big controversy over whether or not the sinking of that ship was intentional or if it was

an accident.

Yeah.

So

you're pro-Israel, basically.

Yeah, yeah, I'm pro-Israel.

Do you think we need them to like, do you think it's a net positive, I guess?

Yeah, it's a net positive.

Do you think so?

Yeah, I don't think.

I think you kind of started off like, do we we need that i don't think we need them but i think anywhere in the world where you can extract american interests out of um other places of the world you should do it right right if it's going to benefit america you should absolutely extract american interests from that place and it's not you know it sounds kind of bad because it seems transactional but like in my eyes i think that's the best way to convey it to people who are very much i think i think everyone kind of views it as transactional you know it's like what do we get out of it you know it's our taxpayers, taxpayer dollars, whatever.

We shouldn't be spending money on this.

I think Israel is in the moral right of pretty much every conflict that they've ever been in, with the exception of like maybe the Suez crisis.

But everything else, it's like Israel doesn't start the wars.

They finish the wars.

Their neighbors are always aggressing on them.

And yeah.

So with all the foreign aid we're sending them, like, do you think we're getting that back in value?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, first of all, like,

Israel,

one of the biggest ways, actually, probably one of the few ways that we give aid to Israel is by basically giving them a stipend for their military budget.

So, we say the money never goes to Israel.

So, we say, okay, you have a budget of this much money, whether it's, you know, 3 billion or whatever.

We will buy the weapons.

Just tell us what you want.

We'll buy the weapons from our defense contractors and send them to you.

So, Israel basically has to buy American-made jets.

So,

they'll order all these jets or whatever.

And so, a big thing is like, okay, so first of all, I'm a capitalist and I support government dollars going from the government to the private sector.

So, you already have that right now.

So, the government says, here's your money.

We're going to give it to the defense contractors.

Okay, perfect.

It's back in the market.

Awesome.

So, there's a positive right there.

The next thing is like our jet programs,

Israel is basically an RD program for our military industrial complex.

So in the 80s, they flew, we didn't know how, height of the Cold War, right?

We didn't know how our F-15s would hold up to like the Russian MiGs.

But who happened to be flying Russian MiGs?

Well, every Arab country surrounding Israel.

So we gave them our F-15s.

Previously, they were flying like DeSalt, French, Mirage, and Myster jets.

And so we give give them our F-15s.

And they, first of all, first thing they did was went to Iraq and they bombed Saddam Hussein's nuclear facility and they destroyed it.

And that's a long flight.

So we now know that our F-15s, American F-15s, can do long-range bombing missions.

We also know that they can fight MiGs because they fought MiGs.

in Iraq and they didn't lose a single F-15.

The next year, they go and fly F-15s against Syria.

Syria?

I think Syria.

80 Russian MiGs didn't lose a single F-15.

Wow.

Down to all the MiGs.

So we know that our F-15s work super well now against the Russian MiGs.

We know that they're puny in comparison to our F-15s.

So if anything were to happen between the United States and Russia, Russia is pretty much SOL on their MiG program.

So that goes for pretty much every piece of military equipment we have.

We co-developed the Patriot missile.

They were the first to test like trophy systems on the backs of tanks that deflect like rocket-propelled grenades and other explosives, stuff like that.

I'm trying to think what else they tested.

You get into like

counter-terrorism.

So

there have been, and I used to be able to name you like every time that they've done this, but it's just not on the top of my mind right now.

So they've stopped like countless terror.

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Terrorist attacks on U.S.

soil.

Oh, Israel.

Yeah.

So, so because they're, so our, our, the main people who are going to do terrorism against us are like Arabs in the Middle East.

Yeah.

You know,

and so they have their feelers all over the Middle East because they're there and they are like the primary beating post for Arab terrorism or Muslim terrorism.

Right.

So they have their feelers everywhere.

And so when they get a credible threat against an American target, they say, hey.

you know you're about to be attacked i didn't know they did that for us oh all the time yeah we've had embassies um all over the place in the Middle East and in Europe

that have been under threat of attack.

And we had no idea until Israel called up and said, hey,

there was, I think there was one in Europe where our diplomatic staff was there on some kind of mission.

And I think they actually stopped it themselves or they coordinated with the European intelligence

kind of to like not send us into a panic.

I'm sure they let us know, but.

And they stopped that too.

There's a lot of it, especially like through the Obama years, you know, when it was really heightened terrorism.

So they do that.

They also

like a lot of economic benefits.

So Tel Aviv is the number

four city in the entire world for tech startups, I believe.

So I think it's, I think it's

New York.

Yeah, yeah.

So, well, not sorry, not just tech startups for like all startups.

Okay.

So it's like, it's like New York, Los Angeles,

London is Tel Aviv.

Wow.

And so

what happens is we basically go in to Tel Aviv or to Israel, and our companies just buy their companies.

And then we acquire or license the technology that they've created.

So

like the

Leidos machines and airports, you step into them and they like do this.

I'm pretty sure those were made in Israel.

Mobileye, which is the technology that Intel bought from Israel or from an Israeli company that powers Teslas, self-driving.

You know, if you have a car with lane assist in it, Israeli technology,

Waze,

yeah.

So they made Waze.

And a lot of people think, okay, like Waze sucks, right?

It's like, okay, no, go figure it's made in Israel.

But in reality, Waze was made a long time ago, and Google bought it a long time ago, and they just integrated Waze into their Google Maps and then kind of left Waze behind.

So like the geomapping technology that Google Maps has is

large in part due to Waze, which was invented.

Yeah, Waze was a great idea to show the traffic and the time that it adds.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

And that's, yeah, Waze, right?

So, and, you know, I don't, I'm not a Google Maps user, but I'm a Google Maps user.

You like Apple Maps?

Yeah.

What?

Yeah.

Google Maps is crazy.

Really?

Yeah, well, it's like what pulls up my phone when I Google.

Yeah, I guess.

But like Google Maps shows you the time difference.

Like, does Apple Maps factor in the traffic and everything?

Yeah, they do now.

Oh, they do?

Oh, yeah.

I think you should do it.

You mean like the red and yellows?

Yeah, yeah, they do that.

Okay.

Well, dude, you might have changed my opinion on Israel.

I'm not going to lie.

I got to look into everything else.

There's more, though.

There's more.

So like they have these two massive oil fields off of the coast of Israel in Israeli waters, the Tamar and Leviathan oil fields.

And they basically, there's a Dallas-based company called Noble.

And they just said, all right, like, come on in.

And they let us explore that oil field and harvest it.

And then we sold it to the Arab countries.

And so that helped with American-Arab relations

because we harvested all all that oil and sold it to the Arabs.

And so it's just, I don't know, I think it's a great relationship.

Israel is not this like racist apartheid country that everybody makes it out to be.

You go to Israel, it is the most racially and religiously diverse country I've ever been to.

And the Arabs and the Christians, you know, you have of every shade.

You've got brown.

You got like black actually.

Really?

Black Ethiopia.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a huge program.

They move Ethiopia from Ethiopia to Israel.

And so there's, you have black,

brown,

little tan,

white,

right?

And then you've got, you've got black Muslims, brown Muslims, tan Muslims, and like basically white Muslims.

Yeah,

Christians, same deal, right?

And they're all just intermingling all over the place.

And they all get along.

I mean, I'm sure that there are some tensions,

but it's not like, you know, they're not brawling in the street.

They're walking right by each other.

Sometimes they're talking.

Candace Owens talks about this, even though she's been corrected on it and she continues to lie.

I went to Israel and there's the Jewish quarter, the Muslim quarters.

She says quarter is like a prison.

You got your quarters.

It's there are four quarters, like four make a dollar of a city.

So you've got the quarter, the Armenian quarter, the Christian quarter, and the Muslim quarter.

And they are not racially exclusive to each other.

These

quarters of the city, Old Jerusalem, predate the country of Israel.

They've been around forever.

So

it's in old Jerusalem.

Yeah.

And so you go to the quarter, and there's a Muslim bakery in the quarter of Jerusalem.

In the Christian quarter, there's a mosque.

In the Muslim quarter, there's a, I think there's a church, right?

So it's like, it's not racially exclusive anywhere.

You'll have Muslims and hijab walking around the quarter with a in the center of the quarter.

There's like a giant menorah.

Yeah.

So, you know, they'll be walking right by that.

Sometimes you'll get, you'll get a walking through the Muslim quarter and the houses are pretty

like spread out too.

Our tour guide described it basically like, if you want to know if it's a house, it'll have like a brick roof.

If it's a Muslim house, it'll have like a dome.

Oh, wow.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

We'll end off with this since you brought up Candace Owens.

Yeah.

I know you're probably not the biggest Nick Fuentes fan either, but did you see their interview yet?

I haven't.

Okay.

So she saw a clip.

She attacked him the whole time.

Really?

What do you think of that?

I did see clips of her.

I was surprised.

I think I'd have to watch the full interview to get a pulse on it.

Yeah.

But I did see a clip of her kind of going after him, and it was surprising to me.

She might be trying to recover her optics a little bit, maybe.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think Candace is a grifter.

I think that there's a very, I think there's a lot of money to be made on

people who have fallen down the Nick Fluntes rabbit hole, who have become pretty anti-Semitic, who don't have a voice other than Nick.

which I think is sad.

And I would say Nick's the biggest, but Jake Shields has a a pretty big voice.

Yeah, well, I mean, at least Nick is smart to some degree.

You know, Jake, I think his morning routine is probably like bashing his head off a brick wall.

So maybe like eating a bowl of nails and then like...

I'll try to set up a debate with you and Jake one day.

Jake will not debate me.

He films at the same studio as Mainvase.

I DM Jake

all the time, asking him to debate me.

He will not debate me.

So he won't debate you.

Myron won't debate you.

Dead.

Zarian probably wouldn't.

No, none of these, you know, none of these people who are

like below average intelligence will debate me.

It's like, I can't believe Jackson agreed to debate me.

And I think Jackson debated me because I had like this panic attack on Fox News and I looked like an idiot.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had like a total like mental breakdown of Fox News where like, because I chugged like four cups of coffee and I kind of like, I'd never.

That would get my heart racing.

Yeah.

I was like unfamiliar territory because I was like in the bureau in LA.

Yeah.

And usually when I do hits, I do them from my studio.

So it's like unfamiliar territory.

It's kind of like a weird time in my life.

I've been on Fox a bunch since then.

So it's like,

you know, I'm totally fine.

But I kind of had this panic attack and Jackson had found it.

Nobody saw it.

It wasn't really anywhere.

Jackson found it when he looked me up.

Just started like tweeting at him.

And he boasted it.

It went super viral.

Now everyone's seen it.

So I think he thought I was just an idiot.

Yeah, yeah.

And I thought he thought it was going to be an easy layup for him.

I got to see that.

And then it was, you know, it wasn't.

Yeah.

I got to watch that debate.

But dude, thanks for coming on.

Where can people find you?

You find me on every platform at Camp Higby.

It might be the Cam Higby.

YouTube, it's Cam Higby.

Instagram, Camp Higby.

Todd, check them out, guys.

See you next time.

Peace.