Mike Truong: The Harsh Truth About Modern Authenticity | DSH #1472

You just learn a lot.

You do.

Watching people.

Like when I go to the mall, I'm like watching people, how they interact.

It's interesting.

Ah, yeah.

Do you kind of like eavesdrop as well?

I eavesdrop off.

I'm close enough.

I'll listen to their conversations.

Yeah, me too.

I'm like, man, what are they talking about?

Like, this is so like, it's so like surface level.

Yeah.

Like, they don't care about each other.

They don't like each other.

Okay, guys, got Mike here from Canada.

Long ass flight.

Yeah, I know.

Let's go, man.

Yeah.

Happy to be here, man.

Thanks for the opportunity.

First time in Vegas for you?

Second time.

Okay.

So you remember the first time?

Were you blacked out?

Nah, probably.

Yeah.

Always had a drink in hand here.

You Canadians love to drink.

Oh, fucking love it.

You spent your whole life there?

Yeah, born and raised Edmonton.

Okay.

How'd you get into the business stuff?

Well, for one, just

I, you know, as a kid, I kind of knew like everything was a scam.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everything was just

a system known, put in place.

So as a kid, ever since kindergarten, I was just like looking at my teachers and I was just like, how?

Like, you're learning from someone else to teach me these things and you have to go out and get a certificate, like get certified to teach me these things.

Right.

So I just knew as a kid, like ever since I was five, I just knew.

Wow.

No one told you.

You just knew on your, by yourself?

Yeah.

I was just sitting at the desk and I was like, this is bullshit.

In kindergarten?

Yeah.

I feel like I didn't wake up till like college.

Oh, really?

Kindergarten's early.

Yeah, kindergarten's very early.

And then obviously, you know, the programming got me a little bit later in life, you know.

Yeah.

I was a bit of a nerd growing up.

So, you know, you can't.

And all Asians are, right?

Yeah, all Asians are.

And then eventually you just wake up again and be like, wow, I can't believe I lost myself.

Well, there's a lot of pressure from our parents to do well academically.

Yeah.

So we kind of get in that system and don't even question it.

Oh, yeah.

You ever had your mom be like, you're going to grow up, be a doctor.

You're going to grow up, be a doctor.

Oh, it was always, yeah, go to college, get straight A's, you know, be a doctor, be a businessman or whatever.

Everything.

But I like,

I knew it was a scam from the beginning.

So I never listened to my mom.

I'd be like, yeah, I'll do it.

That's really impressive because that's pre-social media.

So you have no outside people.

Cause now people know it's a scam with social media and podcasts and everything.

But back then, wow, you had good intuition.

Yeah.

And that's the interesting thing about that is like now people know.

So they pretend to.

put on like this sort of persona that they were always like that.

It's kind of funny.

Yeah, yeah.

I see that for sure.

I see all the people I grew up with and they're all working like nine to fives most of them hate their jobs and it's like damn that could have been me if i didn't wake up yeah yeah for sure i mean like not to on anyone that works to a nine to five because we need the construction workers we need you know people for us yeah for the people so but yeah i i couldn't do it i i could even stay in school

no my issue is not with the idea of a nine to five it's more like they don't enjoy what they're doing yeah that's my issue oh yeah for sure yeah if you're working because you work your whole life yeah so if you don't like your job I don't care how much you're making.

Yeah.

I can't respect that.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

So you said you didn't make it through college?

Yeah, no, I didn't want to go to university.

I didn't want to go to college.

Nearly failed high school because I just didn't show up, right?

Didn't show up, but I passed with like a 50, which is like the bare minimum to fast and graduate, right?

So you were just skipping class?

Were you getting high or something?

No, no, I don't do any drugs.

I just, I just hated the fact that I had to wake up, show up, and then just sit there and then listen, right?

Like, I didn't like that.

Yeah.

Wow.

My school had attendance, so you really couldn't skip too much.

Yeah, mine did too, but

I figured out a way.

As long as you got a 50, I guess it doesn't matter.

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We had like a rule, I think 16 days, more than 16, you can't graduate.

And that's not even that many.

Yeah, no, it's not.

16 out of 180, I feel like.

I don't know.

It's not a lot of opportunities.

I mean, nowadays you get so many holidays just to not even show up.

But I'm glad people are waking up because I'm not sending my kids to public school.

No.

No shock.

Me either.

Yeah, no way.

There's no possibility that happens.

Yeah.

Maybe private, but even some private are compromised.

You know?

I think

like just giving them like a sport, like a direction or like a not a career choice, but like giving them a sense of direction without school to be much more beneficial.

Yeah.

Right.

Because like us as adults, we can learn from other people.

So why not let your kid learn from other people?

Yeah.

Were you listening to a lot of hip-hop back in the day?

Yeah, slightly.

Like, I used to listen to a lot of

soul rap and then R ⁇ B and electronic music.

Yeah.

Our style, EDM.

What do you think of the current music space today?

With all the modern rap, hip-hop, programming?

Yeah, I mean, it's just garbage.

It's garbage.

It gives people almost like a, like an outer shell.

to be someone that they aren't, right?

They,

from the inside, they don't even know.

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Oh, who they are to begin with, right?

And they're just kind of floating in space.

And then rap music comes along, right?

And they listen to this garbage and then they pretend like they are that.

Yeah.

But it's not a reflection of their inner self, right?

It's just a facade.

It's just a persona.

And these days, authenticity is so important because of the rise of AI, the rise of just people bullshitting.

Like people, I think people are getting more smart on like detecting bs yeah you know yeah and that was normal back then now it's just people see things

even like all these rich guys like are they really rich yeah like they just post as if they live that lifestyle and then they reuse the same content over and over again and people can't detect it even like if you see all the kids that watch it they think they can live that lifestyle and you you see the direct reflection of it from them when they go to school like oh i'm gonna make it one day oh like look at this video like this is going to be me.

No, man.

Like, it's not realistic.

No, it's not realistic.

Yeah.

A lot of social media comparison these days.

Yeah.

That's why when I see people flexing materialistic things on social media, I used to get impressed when I was younger.

I'm not going to lie.

But now it's like almost a red flag to me when I see someone doing that.

Yeah, it is.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

It absolutely is.

Like,

you just got to be yourself, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Figure that out.

Like, don't take someone else's personality and put it to yourself.

Like, live life and then be yourself.

that's the only way you can be yourself yeah and a lot of those guys are sensitive on social media oh yeah they have haters and then they'll respond to them they'll get in fights in person or whatever yeah super emotional yeah it's almost like they can't take a joke yeah yeah weird right yeah it's super crazy i mean um i like to split things up into like different types of people right so the people who can't take a joke they're kind of more logical in a sense like they'll they'll react to X, Y, and it has to equal Z.

Like

if someone's spewing out like a piece of knowledge, right?

And they're like, oh, it's clearly not that because according to Google, it's this.

So that means you're wrong.

Well, through my experience, this is correct.

Right.

And then they'll

make like a certain like sarcastic video about it.

They'll be like, what?

This is so fake.

This is not real.

You're just bullshitting.

And then like, this is the right way to do things.

It's like, it's clearly sarcasm.

Yeah.

Right.

And I feel like sarcastic people are a lot socially smarter.

Yeah.

You have to have some sort of intelligence when you're making sarcastic jokes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because you wouldn't be able to if you were dumb.

Yeah.

You know, and you'd be too sensitive to make those jokes.

Right.

You'd be like, oh, this guy's going to think that.

Oh, I'm going to get canceled, whatever.

Yeah.

Have you been in any online beefs yet with people?

Oh, all the time.

Yeah.

All the time.

Who have you called out so far?

Just random people.

I don't know.

I like to fight in the comment sections.

Oh, not even like known people?

Yeah, not even knowing people.

Yeah.

I just, I just, I just go there and I'm like, oh, yeah.

So what are you?

Like people who are like, I have a video on this.

It's like, oh,

that's not it, G.

I'm like, G,

you're not a G.

You're just some high school kid.

Like, what?

And they're saying these things.

So I just like, I just kind of tripped them a bit.

They got influence from Tate, probably.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They got influence from Tate.

Popula.

What do you think of him?

He's pretty good.

I think he's a double-edged sword.

Yeah, he's definitely a double-edged sword.

I agree.

I like a lot of what he says, but definitely takes it extreme yeah so let's say like i i don't like to put people on the spectrum but like like the people on the left obviously they're gonna fall within the mainstream media they're gonna fall for all the demonized words against him and then the people on the right far right they're gonna take everything he says seriously

yeah idolize him and then adopt his persona right but they have nothing like him going on they have no real life experience they they don't do anything

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Okay, well, I kind of see this from him.

I've been through what he lived through, so I kind of understand what he's saying.

And usually the people in the middle are like the best.

Like from the creatives to the logical people, they're the best.

I try to stay as objective as possible.

I don't fall into the political trap.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Because that's how you get brainwashed.

Oh, absolutely.

You label yourself something.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, they get a lot of people in that one, man.

Every day I see political uh commentators dude it's it's annoying is it like that in canada too oh yeah a lot of politics yeah i mean we have trump fans in canada really yeah we do we have a lot

at least in alberta i'm from alberta yeah well we definitely influence canada here yeah right oh 100 it's not not even a question to ask right yeah a lot of countries kind of follow our suit i feel like

and when the Canadians are talking about tariffs and stuff like that, I'm like, why didn't you buy Canadian in the first place?

And now, like, this whole tariff situation is going on, and you're preaching about buying Canadian.

And, like, oh, we don't need America.

It's like, well, we needed them for how many years?

It's so, and the other thing is like, how does this influence your life?

Well, like, are you in a position to be able to live even with the tariffs in place?

Yeah.

Like, why, why do you care so much about this?

You should care about what's going on in your life.

And I mean, that's the direct influence.

in every aspect of their lives.

If they care so much about this, they're going to care about how they dress, care about how they look, you know, and it's nothing to do with what's inside.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah, a lot of people aren't being their authentic selves.

Yeah, it's really interesting when you just look at the population, like what percentage of people do you think are actually being themselves?

Very few, which is crazy, right?

Yeah, it's like

the people who are authentic has a platform like you and me, right?

Like, we want to help them, even

if the way that we present things might be more direct or more controversial.

We're just trying to help people be more authentic.

It's just such a good way to live life because I lived life not authentically, trying to be someone I wasn't, oh, yeah, trying to fit in, trying to be popular.

And it's just like you get caught up in your own lies.

It's just like mentally not happy.

No, it's not.

It's not good.

Now I could wake up.

How I'm talking to you now is how I talk to my friends.

Oh, yeah, same.

Like it's the same shit.

You know, same thing.

And most people are living a lie.

Yeah, it's, it's a big, big fat lie.

Like, you can walk outside, and when you're not like in that zone of being like non-authentic, you can just see it.

Like these kids, they wear oversized t-shirts, baggy jeans, dunks, Jordans, and with like a taper fade and they look the exact same.

You can walk one down one street, turn the other street, and there's going to be a kid that looks exactly like that.

Yep.

I hear NBA players talking about this because all the old school guys, they would travel the world and each city used to have its own kind of culture, its own vibe.

Now, when players travel, it's the same girls.

They all look the same, same haircut.

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Same surgeries.

It's like we're all becoming the same.

And social media really gap that reality, right?

They really close the gap

between what's real and what is it.

So whatever they see on social media, they think it's real.

So they bring it to the real world.

Yeah, that's why everyone kind of looks the same.

Yeah.

It's just not cool, man.

No.

Like, I want natural beauty in a girl.

Yeah.

I I don't want any surgery.

Yeah, same.

Like, nothing fake.

Yeah.

No ass surgery.

Yeah.

No, no BBLs here.

BBL no zone.

You go to Miami now.

I bet more girls have fake asses there than have regular ones.

And dude, you can see it.

You can see how fake they are, and people still fall into it.

I don't get it, man.

It doesn't feel the same.

Yeah, it doesn't feel the same.

The energy is not the same.

They don't feel human.

It's almost like we just lost another human soul.

Like, that's what it feels like.

Is Canada turning into that too?

Yeah, a little bit surgeries out there.

I don't see much.

I mean, I'm from Alberta, we're more like traditionalist conservative, but um,

I don't see much

from where I live, but I'm sure there's there's a lot.

It'll spread.

We set the tone here in America like with weird stuff, transgender shit.

Like, we could go down so many rabbit holes with this.

Oh, yeah, I know.

Yeah, there's, there's a couple of that in Canada.

Oh, yeah,

yeah, that's so sad, dude.

That should never be a thing.

No, it shouldn't.

It's uh, the

devil's work.

You a Christian?

Catholic.

Catholic?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your whole life or a recent?

Whole life.

So that's a big part of your life.

Yeah, I would say so, yeah.

It kind of sets the tone for how I live my life and stuff like that.

I think it's good to have a belief system these days.

It is.

You know, a lot of guys are lost, misguided.

I see it every day.

Yeah.

I mean, you got to have something to back you up when you're lost, right?

Yeah.

You think you're going to stay in Canada for a while or you like America?

I want to move to America, man.

Yeah.

Even though it's a little bit crazy here, I like it here.

It's hard to beat America.

It is.

I know a lot of people talk shit about it, but for entrepreneurship, what we do,

I can't see a better country other than like Dubai or like a tax-free spot.

But it would be tough for podcasts in the middle of nowhere like that, too.

Yeah, it is.

I mean, people can talk as much shit about America as they want to, but

they're a point in conversation for a reason.

They stir things up for a reason.

And when you come here and then you see the people, you see all the different type of people, entrepreneurs, I don't know, transgender, whatever, whatever the case.

Like,

there's no place like this, you know?

I always tell people, we got the best of the best because we win the Olympics every year.

We got the best podcasts, we got the best, whatever, entrepreneurs, and we got the worst of the worst.

That's America.

So you kind of get to choose where you want to go.

There's always a balance in life.

Yep.

If there's, if there's an imbalance, then something's going completely wrong yeah yeah i believe in that too has cancel culture come for you yet yeah man um about three four years ago um i i'll see like i found out about tate and i was like man why is everyone hating on this guy like i see him all over the news all misogynist whatever i'm like misogynist even a real word like and then and i'm like yo guys What's going on here?

She's speaking facts.

And everyone's like, no, you're just stupid.

And then eventually it just get canceled because you're more traditionalists.

Yeah.

You have real values that matter in the world.

And then they just don't like it.

So they just brush you aside.

They call you all these names.

I lost all my friends.

Damn.

Yeah.

You serious?

Yeah.

Everyone.

Over supporting Tate.

You lost your friends.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess you were so early.

Cause now if you support them.

You're cool.

Yeah.

No.

It's like whatever.

No one cares.

I lost everyone.

And

my

fiancé now, when I was dating her, they're like, Are you sure you want to date this guy like he's he supports tate do you know what he's saying on twitter and all this stuff it wasn't much i was just replying to like a tristan tate tweet yeah and then they used to follow me on twitter and they're like this guy's a massage he's gonna beat you like are you safe i'm like holy

so yeah i i've dealt with it but i think one good thing i feel like everyone should get canceled it humbles you right it humbles you and then

You learn real life values and then you can be your authentic self.

If you don't get canceled, you just kind of trail along with what everyone else is doing.

Yeah, your ego will never experience an ego death and you'll just do whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah, ego death.

Yeah, I like that.

I think it's important to get grounded, whether it's through getting canceled or like something happening to you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I

shouldn't say this, but I feel like everyone should get canceled.

Everyone should get canceled at least once so you know what it feels like to have no one.

Yeah.

Well, an unchecked ego is deadly.

Yeah.

So it's rather, it's good to get it over with quicker in your entrepreneurial journey, like earlier than later when the stakes are higher.

Oh, absolutely.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's why, like, for me, I've made and lost my money twice now.

But I'm glad that happened when I was in my 20s.

Yeah.

Now I could rebuild.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If that happened when I had kids and I'm in my 40s, like other people are affected.

It's all about the lessons you learn along the way, man.

That's why I say real, real world experience is the best.

Yeah.

the best.

That's the way you can really be your authentic self.

Did you make up with those old friends or you just cut them all off no just cut them all off they i mean they they don't like me damn they don't like me anymore they probably support tape by now though maybe because i feel like he got through to a lot of people over the time like at first i was like you know what this is weird but yeah as you get to know him and not read the headlines like he's been on the podcast i got to know him solid dude yeah i mean if if you can see between the lines which is where the

the kind of middle guys or like the kind of guys for human or you know that love just love people and just like go out and connect with people you can see he's just a normal dude yeah online yeah online whatever you can say whatever online but deep down he's just a regular guy that just has fun with life it's crazy that your friends left him for supporting him yeah every single one of them was that the lowest point in your life when you lost all your friends

um

i wouldn't i wouldn't say lowest Like, were you depressed?

No, no, not really.

I felt like this was God's message.

So those weren't friends then.

Those weren't real friends.

No, they weren't real friends.

Yeah, a real friend would at least have the conversation with you, not just leave you.

Yeah.

And one of them did try to have a conversation with me and it just turned into like trying to bring me back to that side.

Like, they're just trying to like, oh, you should, you should believe in the things that we believe in.

Not, oh.

maybe maybe this is better for you or like you know yeah so but a real friend would have opposing views and still support you yeah of course yeah yeah like i don't believe that all friends should have the same views.

There's no growth in that.

No, it's impossible to have the same sense of direction.

Yeah.

And that's the problem with politics.

Yeah.

You, you want all these people to have the same opinion when obviously they don't.

Yeah.

Makes no sense.

I feel like one thing that we should like have all the same things,

like the same idea is like, let's just all be for us.

Like community.

Community, right?

Nowadays, we lost community.

So I feel like we should all just be together like have one idea for the love of humans yeah it's such a crazy concept because there's these huge cities now that no one actually like very few people actually have their own community within the city yeah even though there's millions of people around you you don't have like a set of five ten people that you could rely on yeah and that's where things are lost that's where that's where love is lost and we all we all just hate each other we say one little thing we just hate it yeah

I've had to really do a lot of self-work on myself because I used to get very triggered easily.

And now people could say whatever.

I get so many hate comments.

It's crazy, but it doesn't affect me.

Oh, yeah.

I had some

past insecurities as well.

Like,

and I'm not going to hide the fact that I was once insecure about the way I look, the way I dress, you know, what my hair was.

But once you get past that and once you really understand, like, maybe there's more to life than this, obviously making money is a good thing.

But

there's more to life than just how you look.

People will grow a lot more from that.

Yeah, I used to be so insecure about my looks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it might be an Asian thing, right?

It might be an Asian thing because, because usually we're kind of kicked out in the dirt, man.

Yeah, girls don't fuck with Asians.

No, they don't.

No, they don't.

We're like on the bottom of the totem pole.

Yeah, I never got girls grown up.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was skinny and yeah.

Same.

Yeah, it wasn't a good combo.

And my confidence was shot.

Yeah.

I was skinny fat.

Like,

yeah, I don't know.

How'd you build the confidence up?

Was it over time?

Was it a specific moment?

It was, it was a bit, it was a bit before I got canceled.

I felt I felt like I needed to change.

Right.

And

it was more like a mindset thing, right?

It's like, if, if I can't be the person that I want to see myself in the future, then there's no point in living this life.

Right.

So

I took small but necessary steps to changing that, like, you know, working out,

fixing the way I speak.

grammar, whatever, whatever, whatever.

Did you have a stutter or something?

Yeah, I had a bit of a stutter.

Really?

Yeah.

I think I still do kind of.

I haven't seen it today.

Well done.

I'm glad.

Oh, thanks, man.

Yeah.

Stutter definitely fucks your confidence up.

Oh, it does.

Yeah.

It does.

And when you ask someone like, oh, what do you do?

Like, what kind of, like, what's your value in life?

And you have nothing to say.

And then you have a problem.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You have a problem then.

And that's when I knew when people asked me, what is your goal in life?

What's your mission?

What values do you hold?

And I couldn't answer them.

Yeah.

And that's when I knew I was.

Most people can't, to be be honest.

No, they can't.

Yeah.

What's your go-to when you get Asa now?

What do you say?

I just say I'm just a dude that just likes to over-analyze human behavior.

I just like to look at the world and over-analyze everything and self-analyze myself.

But I'm just a dude.

Yeah.

Just a dude.

It sounds weird to say this, but I love people watching.

Yeah.

Like, that sounds creepy as fuck, but like, you just learn a lot.

You do?

Watching people.

Like, when I go to the mall, I'm like watching people, how they interact.

It's interesting.

Yeah.

Do you kind of like eavesdrop as well?

I eavesdrop off.

I'm close enough.

I'll listen to their conversations.

Yeah, me too.

I'm like, man, what are they talking about?

Like, this is so like, it's so like surface level.

Yeah.

They don't care about each other.

They don't like each other.

I also don't want to get detached from reality as I become more and more successful.

So I like just seeing what everyday people are doing, talking about, you know, it's important.

Because you see a lot of these successful guys, they get so detached.

Yeah, they do.

Like, it's insane.

Yeah.

They, they think they're on the top of the world, but we should just all be

one man.

Yeah, like, even though you don't agree, whatever, whatever they say, just shut your mouth and just move on with your life, right?

Yeah, yeah, I'll treat everyone the same on the first interaction.

Like, obviously, I respect some people more than others, but like, it's a good rule to live by.

You never know who you're going to meet and where.

Oh, exactly.

Like, I've met podcast guests that I've had on the show in the lifetime sauna,

random hotels.

Like,

you know, it's always worth chatting it up with some people.

And

I feel like you shouldn't also like

kind of,

you know,

whatever they look like, you shouldn't like give them like an identity before you actually talk to them.

That's a big one.

Yeah.

I'm guilty of that.

Yeah.

Definitely guilty of that.

Still am.

I've been working on it, but looks are deceiving, man.

Looks artistic.

And I've tested this myself.

I've walked into the Rolex store in sweatpants and a hoodie.

No one comes up to me.

Yeah, no one does.

Even though I bought from the store before.

And then I'll walk in with a Rolex the next day, five people come up to me.

Yeah.

And that's only because,

like going back to it, it's only because they don't, they don't, they're not themselves.

They're not authentically themselves.

They don't know who they are.

It's an inner self-reflection, right?

It's like,

if, if I wear a suit and I have no money, and then people think, oh, this guy has money because that's what they see on social media or what, what they see every single day on their phones or like with people that they interact with.

Oh, this guy doesn't wear a suit, then he's broke.

It's just, I don't know.

It's like never judge a book by its covers.

We all have these preconceived notions.

We're like NPCs.

We're controllable, right?

Yeah, very controllable, very influenced.

Very influenced.

Yeah.

Some people worse than others.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

Dude.

I can't believe how controlled some people get.

It's actually upsetting to me at this point.

Yeah.

And it always starts when you're young.

It always starts when you're young.

Like,

what you see, like, what you see is what you get.

But

in this modern age, it's what you see and what you don't get.

And let me expand expand on that.

When you're a kid and you watch TV, right?

Let's say you grow up, like I didn't grow up very, very rich,

and I see all these kids with nice toys and stuff like that.

It's like, what you see, what you don't get.

So, you want that in the future, right?

So, when you grow up, you're like, oh, why does this guy have it?

And I don't have it.

So, I'm going to go out and buy it.

And then people slowly become more broke because when they grow up, they didn't have what they had,

what other people had.

So, eventually,

like

you just fall into this this hole of getting influenced by a life that you can't live.

And it always starts when you're younger.

Yeah.

Always starts when you're younger.

That money trap, right?

Yeah, the money trap.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of people, well, we're in a very materialistic society.

I feel like you measure your success off wealth.

I don't know if Canada's like that too, but in America, for sure.

So you judge people based off your wealth.

Yeah, all the time.

Which is,

I have mixed feelings on it.

For me, it worked.

It motivated me.

But I could see for people that it could be harmful.

yeah you know what i mean yeah it's it's just how you control it man how you control it from within you need to really respect that relationship like at first it probably didn't work for me i was comparing myself too hard and depressed and stuff but now i'm at a good spot now where i see success and it motivates me you know what i mean

uh there's one thing that i kind of strayed away from like at the start of my journey was at first I love the material things as well, as all do.

Like you just want to show off, you want to flex and all that.

And then eventually you start to realize that the relationships are better than the material things.

You just want to be friends with those type of people.

Right.

Right.

Whether it's, whether you talk business or not, it's just nice to have fun with them.

Right.

And then the money will come, whatever will come, right?

So just kind of,

if whoever's starting out their entrepreneurship, throw away all the material things that you think about and start building relationships.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love that.

Yeah.

I don't even use most of the dumb shit I bought to be honest.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You just buy it because it's shiny and then you toss it aside.

You're like, well, I don't really need this.

No, I got watches and suits that I haven't worn in years.

Yeah.

And I spent a lot of money on them.

Yeah.

But relationships, man, that's how I started the show.

Getting these guests on all relationships.

And some of these guys are going to be at my wedding.

Some of these guys will be in my life the rest of my life, hopefully.

Wow, that's awesome.

Yeah.

But that's what life is.

Yeah.

You know?

Yep.

And I diversify my relationships so I don't just have on one set of people.

I think it's important to get all walks of life in your circle

so you're not in an echo chamber.

Yeah, absolutely.

And that's where, that's where the love comes from.

There's a saying from Shakespeare.

This is about like the

ideology about competitiveness, right?

So we live in a competitive world.

Yeah.

But Shakespeare said

whoever is in the competition, whether it's like men, women, men, men, like in war or whatever,

they look very much alike.

They are always the same people fighting over something dumb.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's crazy to think about, right?

Yeah.

So when you build meaningful relationships, there's nothing to fight about.

You just have a good time with them.

Yeah, I'm not big on conflict, man.

I see all these wars and then you look into why they're fighting.

It's all orchestrated.

They're not actually fighting.

No, they're not.

Crazy, right?

Yeah.

They all just want to stop.

It's such a crazy concept, though, because you'll see who's funding the war.

They're funding funding both sides, it's all a money thing at the end of the day.

And uh, speaking of competition, I just want to tie back to like the modern-day culture, but clothes and all that, and hair styles, and how people look the same is that they're fighting to look better than the next person, right?

They're fighting to look slightly better, even though they're following the same thing.

So, that's why, that's why I like the that quote a lot: where competition is just from people that look very much alike.

Yeah, did you see what Kanye West's uh wife was wearing?

Oh,

or not wearing, I should say.

Not wearing, not wearing very much.

That's where fashion's heading, man.

I know.

Crazy.

I know.

They slowly want to strip you away, literally.

I just saw, I think it was Kim Kardashian, she launched some skims with like nipples on them, just some weird shit, dude.

It's so weird, man.

I don't know.

The woman is being over sexualized these days.

They are.

Like, I go on my Instagram.

I can't even open it next to my girl anymore.

No, you can't.

Because I get half-naked girls.

She's like, what the fuck is that?

Yeah.

I'm like, I don't even like these.

It just pops up.

Yeah.

Crazy.

And if you click click one, like their strap, it all turns into a thirst strap.

Like, you can't run away from it, yeah.

But think about it, there's like we're grown men, but like, there's 12-year-olds on Instagram seeing that, yeah, isn't that crazy?

Yeah, it is crazy.

I mean, I didn't get exposed to that stuff until I was 15.

Well, I have one personal experience.

I remember this being as a kid, but um, you know, on TV when you see advertisements, right?

I saw this commercial and it was about like glasses, like prescription glasses.

But, but the lady, like the model for the advertisement was a skinny blonde girl.

Right.

So they try to program you early on.

And it's been like this forever.

So if we're saying like 12, 15 year olds have been seeing this now, whatever's happening now, it started way back then.

Wow.

Cause I, because I remember it.

I didn't even think about that, but that probably happened to me too.

Yeah.

Because even in movies, they always sexualize.

Oh, all the time.

The woman, even like kids' TV shows.

Yeah.

If you think about what we grew up with with Disney Channel and Nickelodeon, it's always like a teenage woman that they put a bunch of makeup on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then you ever play any video games, you know, the first God of War, there's literally like a sex scene in the game and you're like a kid playing this.

Like that's crazy.

Right.

Yeah.

That's not cool, man.

Yeah.

So you get exposed to it very early on.

It's just now it's more extreme because they're, they're trying to desensitize you, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then and then the guys on the other side, they see Tate and they want to be that and they get to desensitize when they see like a Rolex or AP or, you know, a nice suit or a supercar.

They get desensitized.

They don't even care anymore.

They just develop that sort of persona already and they think that they're them.

Yeah.

When they have nothing going on.

100%.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That false confidence.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That red pill movement is low-key dangerous, I think.

It is.

Even though I've had on a lot of those guys on the show, I think it is damaging.

It is damaging.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Same with the feminist movement.

Yeah.

I think both are super damaging.

And any extreme is always damaging.

Yeah.

Like you said, you need to be in the middle, the objective, especially.

Make your own decisions.

Be authentic.

Yeah.

Like when I make important decisions, I'm like, okay, why am I making this decision?

What is it based off of?

Because we are internally biased.

Yep.

I think whenever we make a decision, it's based off our previous experiences.

Absolutely.

Like I've been scammed in the past and that hurts me because now when I work with someone, that's in the back of my head.

Yeah, always.

You know?

Yeah.

But I need to fix that because that's not fair to the other person.

Same with dating.

I see this all the time in in dating.

Someone gets cheated on.

Now they have trust issues.

It affects the next relationship.

You know?

Yeah.

It's never a bad thing to be more careful based on, you know, past experiences.

But you also know how to have to know how to like control your decision making.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's very important.

That's cool that you got a good girl by your side, though.

That's important.

Yeah, it is.

Took some work, though.

Because, you know, most girls nowadays, they're also influenced at such an early age.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

They're super influenced.

So, as a man,

this is my personal opinion, but as a man, you really need to guide them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Don't, don't shit talk to them, don't hate them, but you have to guide them.

You're like, like, ask questions, like, why are you doing this?

What makes you think this way?

And even some guys, I know some guys are more

arrogant than others, but if you have a close friend that you want to help, try your best.

If it doesn't work, then just let it go.

Yeah.

Let it go.

To me, these days, when I work with someone and choose friends, I actually value if they have a girlfriend or not.

Like, if they're serious, because

if you're just hooking up with a bunch of girls, like, that's not a good character to me.

You're no different than the girls doing the same thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're no different.

You're not taking yourself seriously.

Not at all.

Like, I won't work with people like that.

No.

You know?

Yeah.

It's just not the lifestyle I want to be exposed to.

And it shows you don't have commitment.

Yeah.

Like, I'd rather you not even date at all than be hooking up with five girls a week or whatever.

Yeah, what's the point of, like, I see people put their like girlfriend or boyfriend on a pedestal?

They're like, oh, my girlfriend does this and that.

Oh, I love her so much.

Oh, oh, my boyfriend does this.

I love him so much.

But you guys are still boyfriend, girlfriend.

You guys, it's not serious.

Yeah.

He can leave you the next day and not even think about you.

Yeah.

You got to be serious, man.

Yeah, I know.

You're pretty young, huh?

You're engaged?

Yeah.

How old are you?

I'm actually only 25.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's early.

Yeah.

I got engaged because,

well, rest in peace to my grandpa, but I wanted to have a kid when my grandparents were still alive.

I live a very different life.

I don't live a normal life.

Not normal

in the state of like, I'm extremely rich or anything like that.

But

my family is super dysfunctional.

Really?

Super dysfunctional.

And then I get canceled, so I don't have much friends.

I got engaged early because I wanted to have a kid early for my grandparents.

I love that.

But now

grandpa's sadly gone.

Rest in peace.

You got to grow up fast, man.

In kindergarten, you already knew the world was a scam.

I know, dude.

Age at 25.

Yeah.

My dad pushes me pretty hard.

I don't live with him.

Like,

he's not really there, but he always tells me to do things like, get a job early.

Why are you doing this?

Stop this.

Like, he's very demanding.

Yeah, yeah.

And

that kind of forces me to grow up a little bit earlier on.

Asians work hard, man.

Can't deny that.

High standards, hard workers.

I think I get my work ethic from my mom for sure.

Yeah.

But it is mentally traumatizing.

It is.

No doubt about it.

Yeah.

And you're not allowed to express it too.

Yeah, you're not.

But like, they'll think it's a joke if you bring up some mental health issues.

Yeah, I know.

They're like, this is, this is stupid.

Shut up.

Got some more money.

I used to have to go to school even with a fever.

Yeah,

nothing worked.

Yeah.

No excuse.

I remember running as a kid and I like fell on like cement with like gravel and stuff, right?

Because in Canada, it snows a lot.

So in the summertime, when it all melts, it's all gravel and rocks.

I fell and I scraped my whole side of my face.

It was like bleeding like this.

And then my mom was like, There's nothing wrong.

I'm just bleeding like this.

And she's like,

Why do you want to go home?

I'm like, Don't you see I'm bleeding?

It's like, no, stay in school.

I'm like, oh my God.

Yeah.

You were not missing school at all.

No, not missing school.

That's why when I grew up, I wanted to skip school as much as possible.

Have you made up with your dad or are you two kind of just not seeing eye to eye still?

Well, ever since

my grandpa passed, it's been it's been harder.

Obviously, like one day our dad will go and then we'll kind of feel it, but me and my dad are drifting slightly apart.

Damn.

I still live with my grandma.

Like I take care of her and everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I held that responsibility ever since because when my parents divorced, I chose to stay with them.

Yeah.

So with your mom?

No, with my grandparents.

Oh.

But it's on his side.

Oh, got it.

So now that I'm older, I take care of them, right?

They took care of me.

I took care of them.

Yeah, that's a Vietnamese thing, right?

It's a Vietnamese thing, yeah.

Or an Asian thing, really.

Yeah, I've seen Chinese people do that.

Family really matters.

Family is very important in Asian culture.

Yeah.

And that's lost in today's world, obviously.

So lost.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You see these girls, they're like 16, they want to go drink.

And they're like, fuck you, mom.

You don't understand me.

Yep.

And then they're like, oh, I hate men, even though they need their dad for money or to fix their tire or whatever.

It's the same thing.

Yeah, it's messed up.

There's this crazy graphic.

I got to find it, but it's like, after you graduate from college, how many times do you see your mom again on average or your parents again?

And it's like under 100 times because once you move across the country, you only see them on holidays.

Yeah.

Like two to three times a year for like 30 years until they pass away.

So the average American is only seeing their parents 100 times when they graduate college.

Oh, exactly.

And that's where the, if they're secluded from their family, they have no sense of direction and then they get influenced by all the other bullshit out there, right?

And then they come home and they're like, no, you're wrong because of this and that and like your parents are never wrong they have they have so much experience sometimes they can be wrong because you probably experience more in that that realm yeah but most of the time they're not wrong when it comes to parenting i listen to them when it comes to business i don't yeah exactly they don't have experience in that exactly there's certain realms that you listen to them and if even if they're wrong you just don't say anything yeah you don't say anything it's not worth it it's not worth it you're gonna get your ass beat

i don't think i've ever felt like i won an argument with my mom oh yeah even if i was right yeah you know it's your mom like yeah they're just gonna scream at you bring up other yeah it's there's no point yeah it's no point you want to have kids though you still want it yeah i still want to yeah grandma's still around so i'm gonna try to have a kid i love it yeah yeah it's gonna be an interesting era to raise kids in yeah i mean like you and me said before the show even started like

we we don't want to put them in school we we just you know put them in a sport or have someone we trust teach them yeah because we said relationships are so much more important than whatever they're putting out there, right?

I can put my kid in a sport.

Like, let's say I want my kid to be an F1 driver.

I want him to experience and build relationships with people that know the field, right?

They can teach them.

Like, mostly English is just conversational.

Math is just subtraction, minuses, multiplication, division.

That's all you need.

That's all you need.

You don't need the fancy shit.

Yeah.

So you can have someone.

You have the conversational skills from going to the sport.

Let's say F1.

All these kids are doing F1.

You can talk to the parents, the mentors, the coaches, whatever.

They can teach you everything.

They're there for a reason.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's so much useless stuff taught in school.

It's actually mind-blowing.

Yeah, it is.

It's actually probably making your brain worse because you're forced to memorize rather than learn.

Yeah.

If you asked me what I learned in school way back, I couldn't tell you.

I just remember reading what, like...

Shakespearean novels and just forgetting it the next day.

I don't remember anything.

Yeah, English class was a joke.

They gave those books that were all woke or whatever.

Yeah.

They should just say, read whatever you want and give me a summer.

Something like that.

Yeah.

Super easy.

Like, I used to hate reading.

I thought I hated reading because there was all these books I didn't care about.

And when I graduated, I started reading business books and stuff.

I was obsessed.

Yeah.

I loved reading.

Yeah.

Same.

Even after school, like now I read, read a lot.

Yeah.

I'm listening to an audiobook like once a week or a podcast.

Oh, yeah.

I love learning.

When before I thought I hated learning,

I dreaded going to school.

So it's just interesting how people are forced to learn to memorize and not learn.

Yeah, it's just to set you up.

I mean, we can go down this rabbit hole, sit you for the nine to five, whatever, but yeah, it's just to set you up.

100%.

Yeah.

What's the next big thing you're working on?

Where can people keep in touch with you?

So right now I'm trying to grow my Instagram page.

So at Mike VWorld is basically like it's basically like a psychological play where

every one of my videos is going to be like kind of sarcasm or there's a little bit of satire in there.

Yep.

Like kind of attacking each point or each trend.

So, you can find me there.

Um, I'm going to work to build that page.

So, we'll really hopefully see me on the big screen again soon.

Let's go.

Yeah, I hope you get on some shows, man.

That was fun.

Awesome.

Yeah, conversation.

Yeah, check them out, guys.

See you next time.

Peace.