Ridvan Aydemir: Islam: Religion of Peace or Political Ideology? | DSH #1463

would say it would be a wrong thing to do, to go after innocent Muslims out there, to attack them, to slander every Muslim out there as a terrorist.

I would say I agree with that.

I would say we shouldn't be attacking every single random Muslim because they're not all in on

this kind of stuff.

But to then say Islam is itself a religion of peace is just pure nonsense.

All right, guys, God Apostate Prophet here today.

We're at Student Action Summit.

How's the event been for you so far?

Very nice.

Very nice.

Seeing a lot of good people here.

Nice.

What's the main thing you're trying to get out of an event like this, attending this?

Well, I want to meet the good people that are here, do some networking.

But also, primarily the main reason that I'm here is that I want to tell people about

Islam, which is also why Charlie invited me here.

Yeah.

Because he wants to focus more on the whole Islam issue and what kind of a rising threat it is.

And I want to to do my best to help out with that, to point that out and to get something going, because I think that this is an issue that Americans are not very much familiar with, and they should be familiar with, because Europe has suffered from it, and America can very quickly get there if America is not smart.

So when you say rising issue, what makes it considered that in your eyes?

So

There is a lot there.

But so in Europe, we had this whole issue of inviting guest workers workers from Muslim countries, from Muslim cultures over, and then um, having them stay in Europe and start spreading their Islamic ideology, Islamic beliefs, not simply as a religion, but also as

a way of living and a social rule that is supposed to be imposed on not only the Muslims, but also on others.

For example, Muslims arrive and start demanding that certain speech is censored, that their religious beliefs are respected.

And that's where it starts.

It gets more and more and more that you have them going to politics.

We recently had a Muslim teacher in the UK, who is very well known in the UK, say very publicly and openly that it should be a goal of Muslims within the next 50 years to have

in at least three countries in the UK, in Canada, and Australia, Muslim prime ministers.

This means that they would be in charge, you know, and they would have influence and take over.

the U.S., we already have similar trends.

We have currents in

Michigan.

We recently had attempts to establish an Islamic community and society within Texas, which was gladly shut down.

But there are still attempts to pick that up again.

And with Islam, what people need to understand is that it's not just a religion, it is a political system,

and it's dangerous.

Wow.

And you used to be part of this religion, right?

I used to be.

I grew up in a Muslim household.

I was a believing in practicing muslim myself and um

i learned lots of very messed up things from my own parents and from my own um from their circles from the mosques and all that so things such as that uh the

and the christians are um are evil and unreliable and we shouldn't befriend them wow they teach that yeah this is directly in the quran wow that's crazy i mean it is directly i'm going to bring this up in my speech as well but um the quran literally says that um

and christians are friends or allies of one another and muslims are are not to befriend them whoever befriends them is one of them well they are basically um

in hostility in animosity toward the muslims and toward allah himself god himself so um the quran orders muslims in chapter 9 verse 29 to to fight and to subjugate

Christians and the others who do not accept Islam,

except it gives them the right to stay alive under the condition that they pay protection money, which is called jizya.

This is what was historically applied.

So Muslims would conquer them and would then subjugate them and take protection money from them.

And as long as they pay protection money, they are allowed to stay alive.

But they have to follow certain standards imposed on them as lesser people.

It's like the Italian mafia.

Yeah.

Pretty much.

Protection money.

Yeah, it's like so it's called jizya.

Some will mistakenly call it a tax, but it's not really a tax.

It's like it is, it is literally, it says that this is supposed to be imposed on the disbelievers in humiliation.

And historically, it was applied so that the Muslim army comes, conquers a place.

There is a sizable Christian population there.

Then the Muslims say, okay, you will pay us this.

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You cannot build new churches.

You cannot have like loud processions.

You have to give your spaces.

You have to open your doors to Muslims if they want to come in and so on.

And if you fail to pay this money,

you will become fair game and lose all kinds of protection.

So this is how Islam was historically

applied.

in lands that they conquered.

This was done until the 20th century, when in the First World War, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and was defeated by the West and the Caliphate, which was the Islamic leadership in the world, was then destroyed and crushed and became non-existent.

Up until that time, Islam was an

imperialist force in the world and did everything by that rule.

Conquer, subjugate, take protection money.

and enforce Islamic standards on people.

We don't have it right now in quite that way because the Islamic Empire was crushed

a little over 100 years ago.

But there are lots of people who want to bring that back.

And some people are quite open about it, such as the guy that I mentioned who says we should have a vision to be in charge of non-Muslim countries again so that we can rise.

and bring some of these things back.

Wow.

So

lots of people don't understand much about Islam.

They think it's just a religion like any other.

It's like a connection between the person and God, and it's just like any other religion.

It's really not.

It is a political system.

Some people might be less political about it.

Some people might be more personal about it.

But you can't separate the Islamism, as it's called, from Islam itself.

That's simply what it is.

Wow.

You are changing my view on Islam right now.

I am fascinated by it.

It's one of the biggest religions, right?

Numbers-wise.

Is it bigger than Christianity?

It is.

It's still smaller than christianity so it's it's currently on number two

but um

so according to some research it is projected to take over and to become the biggest uh religion within the next 50 to 800 years wow which is um

muslims like to often claim that this is because people convert it's not it's because of very high birth rates among muslims yeah they give a lot of birth out there according to studies um within the same neighborhoods even so in underdeveloped countries right um in on the same street muslims uh make significantly more babies than christians who live down the same road it's because it's within the belief system that they're supposed to um you know populate and increase in numbers as much as possible there's also of course the role of women women are basically treated as um baby-making factories in the Islamic worldview.

So that's how it takes over.

And I'm sure that

making lots of babies is something that appeals to some people in like the conservative circles as well.

But it's not quite the same thing.

There is a healthy way of

making, you know, creating families and of procreating.

And then there is that way, which is simply ideological, devoid of any

of healthy relationships, devoid of knowledge and education, and simply built on becoming a horde and taking over.

And there is a danger if you give into that, you know.

I've actually never talked to a Muslim woman.

So from the hundreds of Muslim women you've encountered and spoke with, do they seem happy?

Do they seem fulfilled?

Like what are they thinking and feeling?

It depends.

There are some.

So there is a very interesting thing here.

According to most studies which

analyze happiness by country, you will see that Muslim countries are not very happy.

So

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Maps where you have happiness ranked by color, you will see that Western nations are the happiest in the world.

They are very green, whereas the Muslim nations are generally in the red.

They are not happy.

Wow.

However,

if you ask them personally, according to some studies, whether they are satisfied with what they have,

many Muslims will say or are more likely to say than Western people that they are satisfied.

If you ask them whether they are happy, they will not say that they are happy.

Interesting.

So

Islam has

a very interesting aspect where Islam literally means submission.

That's the word.

It literally means submission.

And in Islam, people are supposed to internalize this mindset that they are in complete submission to Allah.

And they don't want anything else and don't need anything else.

So people raised within that faith or within that political system will learn that no matter how miserable they are, they are basically supposed to be okay with it and supposed to be in submission with it.

What you end up with is

a bunch of people who, if you ask them, will say, I don't need anything else.

I'm satisfied with what I have.

But they are also not happy.

And their lack of happiness and

the fact that they are very frustrated.

will be seen in the social interactions that

they demonstrate in their interactions with other groups, like non-Muslims, like Christians and others, for example.

They will be very, often very hostile and much less accepting of disagreements and differences and so on,

which is why, for example, nobody loses their mind when you have, when people make fun of Christian beliefs, of Jesus and all that.

But I'm not sure how much you're familiar with it, but

when somebody draws a cartoon of Muhammad, this is like

people completely lose it.

People get killed over it.

What?

And we had the Charlie Abdo massacre, which was just in 2015, where in France, a satirical magazine, Charlie Ebdo,

published a cartoon about Muhammad.

And as a result of that,

the terrorists went to

their headquarter of the magazine and started shooting and killing the cartoonists.

Whoa.

And

this was a huge, a huge issue.

And in the Muslim world, this was generally like

some condemned it as saying, which we shouldn't agree with direct violence like that.

But then the general mood was also that, well, you shouldn't provoke Muslims.

You shouldn't make fun of Islam.

You shouldn't disrespect their beliefs.

You shouldn't disrespect their prophet.

If you do that, that's just what you get.

This is the attitude generally.

So

back to your question, If you ask a Muslim.

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Woman.

She will most likely say that she's satisfied with what she has, but is she really happy?

There's a difference.

Yeah, there's a difference.

She's not.

Wow.

That's deep, man.

Wow.

So, you cannot draw cartoons of Muhammad.

That's good to know.

I did not know that.

Don't do it.

Don't try it at home.

What's the reasoning, though, for that?

Like, what...

What's going on with that?

Well, so in Islam, it is forbidden to have to draw cartoons of Muhammad or to draw cartoons.

It's actually

it is considered forbidden to depict humans in general.

There is even a

Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, allegedly said that if you draw humans, then or if you draw a living being, then this living being will appear in hell with you and will ask you to give it life.

And you will be tortured for

basically playing God because you drew something.

Very silly, very stupid.

But

together together with that, depicting Muhammad is considered unacceptable to Muslims.

But then depicting Muhammad in a disrespectful way is just absolutely unacceptable because Muhammad, despite being simply a prophet in Islam, is basically

on the level of a god to them.

They will say that they are completely about monotheism and only worshiping Allah and not taking humans as deities or anything like that.

But Muhammad is like

so highly protected.

If you say something disrespectful about him, you're going to get in trouble.

So don't do it.

Well, you destroyed a Quran, didn't you?

Yeah.

That probably got you in a lot of trouble.

How many people came after you for that?

Lots of people.

I mean, I have done,

I have generally said that I'm not in favor of...

you know, ripping up a Quran or burning it or eating it or whatever it is, chewing it just for the sake of it.

Because it's a, I think it's kind of a stupid act.

But in my case, for example,

I was attacked by an Islamist online who said that I, as an ex-Muslim who left Islam, deserve to be executed.

And

he said he would proudly watch me.

And he generalized it.

He said,

he said, we Muslims, we are proud.

that apostates like you who leave their religion and who spread it would get executed.

He said, we are proud of that and we'll we'll be watching.

That's what he said.

Wow.

In response to that, I said,

people seem to be very, people seem to be okay with that.

But when you rip up a Quran, they seem to lose their minds.

So I tried to make a point of just ripping up the Quran, destroying it, throwing it around and said,

is a page here really more valuable than human life?

Wow.

And the funny thing is, after I did that, it went viral and people started attacking me and sending me death threats, thereby making my point.

Killing a human is nothing to them, but ripping a Quran page to them is just unacceptable.

Similarly,

making fun of Muhammad will get you a death sentence.

Wow.

But killing people is apparently no big deal.

I'm an ex-Muslim.

If I leave Islam and make it public, they will say that I deserve the death penalty.

And they will be okay with that.

If I, on the other hand, just rip up a Quran page, this is like this is much worse to them.

It's a very sick ideology.

So fascinating.

And

we are in America.

America was built on freedom, on liberty.

Here more than anywhere else, I think it's very important to

notice that this religion or this political ideology that masquerades as religion is incompatible with the values that we have here.

We wouldn't be able to have this discussion in a Muslim country.

We would be in big trouble.

So no freedom of speech, basically.

Yeah.

I lived in Turkey for a while.

Turkey is supposedly uh a secular country um that was westernized at some point

but um i have lawsuits against me in turkey because of my because of things i said about islam wow simply because i said things like um the quran is a book of ignorance or um muhammad was

uh you know deluded

because of things like these I have

the government of Turkey sued me.

If I go to Turkey now,

they will arrest me and want me to go to court and possibly even prevent me from leaving the country because I still have a Turkish citizenship aside from my American citizenship, which is why I find it very difficult right now to take a trip to Turkey.

Wow.

My parents are still.

Oh, that sucks.

Your parents are there.

That's pretty messed up.

That's awful, man.

Yeah, that's what Islam does.

And there's a lot of countries like that, right?

You say the wrong thing.

As soon as you land there, you're arrested.

And this is a very mild example.

Turkey is a very mild example.

Pakistan is a big one.

I have known lots of people from Pakistan who left Islam and who went to different countries.

I have met

women who

had to flee and change their identity and seek protection from different countries because their own parents were coming after them and wanting to kill them.

In Pakistan, for example, you will have,

there was a woman, I don't want to mention her name because she has been trying to,

although it is publicly known, she has been trying to kind of get rid of all the public backlash because she wants to live in peace yeah but she uh because she is a christian woman she had a discussion with somebody in public in pakistan she had a little public altercation

and the person that she had an altercation with um

slandered her and said that she insulted the prophet muhammad she never did it no she never did any such thing Just because of that slander, because of that accusation, a mob of hundreds of people started forming and coming after her,

wanting to lynch and kill her and burn her.

Oh my gosh.

They had to arrest her and put her in prison and give her the death penalty in Pakistan for defending Islam.

And she spent 10 years or so in prison with the death penalty.

Eventually, the government under pressure, had to release her and not execute her, but they had to, in the middle of the night, fly her out of the country.

Now she lives in a different country in the West somewhere.

Jeez.

It's like the witch trials in the 1800s.

Yeah.

And this is Islam.

It's very normal.

In order to satisfy their own population, they had to put her in there and give her the death penalty or release her so that they can publicly lynch and kill her.

That's insane.

They had to fly her out to save her life.

So other nations had to step in and do this.

We have Afghanistan.

We have

a very infamous case.

Her name was Farkunda something.

A woman who was accused of disrespecting the Quran was attacked by a large mob.

And

you might want to center my speech

when this comes out.

But

so a large mob formed.

They came after her.

They started beating in on her.

They started setting fire on her,

stepping on her while she's burning.

They did really, really messed up things to her.

I'm not going to go into all the details, but this is it, it's a very messed up culture.

That's disgusting.

When this culture takes over and when its rules are imposed on society,

really bad things happen and people shouldn't have this.

And when I left Islam, which was 10 years ago or more, I found myself at a very strange spot because on the one hand, I left this religion behind that I practiced and studied and that I really didn't want to have in my life anymore.

On the other hand, I looked into the world and I saw that in the West, there is this trend of

creating this false narrative that Islam is a misunderstood religion, that it's actually a religion of peace and all that.

And I look into this into the world and I think,

this is nonsense.

I know that this is a lie.

They know that this is a lie.

So I have to go out there and I have to speak against it.

Yeah, because you have first-hand experiences with it.

The people saying that it's full of peace have never been to these countries, probably.

And this was a narrative that developed after 9-11.

On 9-11,

Islamists took over a plane or several planes and flew them into the Twin Towers and several other locations.

You have lots of delusional people nowadays denying that or

blaming it on others.

We have it all confirmed.

Islamists did it.

The very same Islamists in charge of it later on also acknowledged it, took credit for it, openly propagated it.

And Islamic organizations like Hamas, for example, which is currently fighting against Israel, even praised the terrorist organization that did it.

After this happened,

there was a lot of backlash against Islam and Muslims in America.

In order to subdue the masses, George W.

Bush himself went out and gave a speech in which he said that this is not about Islam because Islam is a religion of peace.

It is our president president or the president of the united states that started this whole um

this public that who popularized the line what islam is a religion of peace that's nuts it was around a little bit before that but he popularized it and he's a he was a republican the party that shouldn't be doing this you know it is the the Democratic Party that

that is usually the one that you know stands up for the for the really messed up people and defends them.

i wonder what

yeah

it was our republican party that protected uh islam and it said um islam is a religion of peace i wonder what bush's angle was on that i mean i guess he was trying to um there were real concerns that people are because of 9-11 that uh that people will start going after muslims here in america right and i guess as a um in order to resolve that problem and not have like people um

attack innocent muslims yeah he went out to give such a speech I could see that because they're still being judged this day.

You know what I mean?

In America, especially.

But he could have given a speech without saying Islam is a religion of peace.

And you could say, I can agree with one aspect, for example.

I would say it would be a wrong thing to do, to go after innocent Muslims out there, to attack them, to slander every Muslim out there as a terrorist.

I would say I agree with this.

I would say we shouldn't be attacking every single random Muslim because they're not all in on this whole this kind of of stuff.

But to then say Islam is itself a religion of peace is just is pure nonsense.

And we are dealing with the consequences of that right now.

It's not a religion of peace.

It's a religion of hate, of war, of bloodshed, of conquest.

And we have to be able to say this without being afraid of some backlash, you know.

Well, a lot of respect for you for speaking out on this because there's not many people that are willing to do this.

Thank you.

Thank you.

There should be more.

And I hope that today we can start at this event to

spread this to more people and to have more people speak up.

I'm very thankful to Charlie that he invited me here.

Yeah.

So it's a very good opportunity.

It's big time, man.

I had no idea it was like this, to be honest.

And there's going to be a lot of people, I'm sure, coming up to you after that will say the same thing.

So

opening up a lot of eyes.

Where can people support you, man, and follow you and everything?

So I'm mainly on YouTube, Apostate Prophet.

I also post on X, Twitter, same Apostate Prophet.

profit.

That's where I usually am.

Yeah, that's where you can find me.

Awesome.

We'll link it below.

Thanks for coming on.

Thank you so much, John.

Yeah, thank you, guys.

See ya.