Myron Gaines: CIA, FBI, NSA: Who Controls the Epstein Secrets? | DSH #1461

And there's a lot of guys like that.

100%.

Where are you doing interviews next?

What campuses?

Where can people find you, man?

Myron Gaines X everywhere.

I do my show,

Myron Gaines X aka on YouTube and Rumble and Kick and everywhere else.

It's called The Debrief.

And my community is the OSS, O slash Squad.

And yeah, man, that's basically where we do it.

All right, guys.

No, it's all good, man.

Yeah, we're back here with Myron, Student Action Summit, number five, I think, together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I always love coming on.

And plus, it's been a minute.

I should have, we should have done an interview like, what, it was like a month ago or so?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I don't know what.

But you did a 24-hour stream that day.

Yes.

Yes.

I did a 24-hour stream.

I was fucking dead.

And then I was like, man, I got to make up for it next time I come on.

So here we are.

You've been going hard on the stream in Algeria.

Oh, yeah, dude.

Every day, Monday through Friday, I start at five.

I go, if we don't do Fresh and Fit, I'll go to like midnight, one o'clock in the morning, 2 a.m.

and then if we do fresh and fit I go from five to like eight eight thirty then I go literally just get up walk over to the other studio do the fresh fit show then do the after hours after that so three shows Monday Wednesday Friday with fresh and fit and the debrief and then the other days are just the debrief the only day I take off is Saturday unless like some breaking news comes on then I'll you know jump on air or whatever that machine bro a lot going on right now man the Epstein stuff is crazy yeah

a lot of division man okay

so I'm in a unique position to talk talk about this because, you know, I've done sex trafficking cases before from what I used to do for work.

And I think people just need to understand that you're never going to get the files.

And the reason why is because when it comes to the Epstein case, there's two different sides.

There's the criminal side and then there's the high side.

So when the FBI arrested him and Glene Maxwell, there was obviously a criminal investigation that was done.

Now, everything in a criminal case, Most of it's not going to be classified because classified material can't make it into, you know, discovery and be used as evidence.

It's got to be declassified to actually be used.

So that's number one.

But on the other hand, we know for a fact that he was an asset for some compartment of Israeli intelligence.

Some people, like Whitney Webb, say it's Oman, which is their

component of the IDF.

So some other people say it's Mossad, but regardless, somewhere within the Israeli intelligence apparatus, he was an asset for them, which makes sense based on how he was moving or whatever.

The fact that he was an asset means that there's going to be what's called a high side file on him.

And in the government speak, when you say high side, that basically means classified.

So

the reason why we're never going to see the files is because a lot of it is probably going to be classified or looked at as national defense information or NDI.

And a lot of the times NDI is classified, regardless of its classification level, whether confident, secret, top secret, TSSCI, um it's not, it's got to be dealt with in a certain way.

This is why when Trump was facing the classified document case and they were saying, oh, he declassified the documents, I was like, oh, that's not good.

Cause that was the only case, honestly, that was brought against him that I was actually concerned for.

I was like, okay, they got him on a 18 USC 7983 espionage case.

He has these documents at Mar-a-Lago.

These are national defense information documents.

The classification of the documents doesn't really matter because it's military information.

So if it falls under NDI, you could be charged with espionage stuff.

So same exact thing with the Epstein stuff.

I'm willing to bet a significant amount of the information um is ndi stuff and they're they're that's what they're using to not bring it out and declassify it the other thing too i think people need to understand is that it's not just the fbi that's going to have a file the intelligence community is huge there's several agencies within it the fbi is just one partner within the ic so um

since he was a foreign asset

CIA is absolutely going to have a file on him.

CIA specializes in

foreign intelligence.

NSA is probably going to have a file.

DIA is going to have a file.

All these different intelligence agencies are going to have a file to some degree.

So in order for you to get those files, because the government's very bureaucratic, the way it works is this when it comes to sharing information.

Let's say I work for Homeland Security, right?

And the FBI gives me a document that's classified.

I get it.

If I want to share that with another agency, or if I want to get that declassified, I have to go through their chain of command to get it declassified.

So in other words, it's an extremely annoying bureaucracy where getting stuff declassified, sharing information or whatever it is is very difficult a lot of the time.

It takes a long time.

It takes a lot of time.

Dude, I'll tell you a funny story.

When I was an agent, I'll never forget this.

We're working on like a Hawala case, right?

With the FBI and Secret Service.

I gave them information on one of the individuals, their travel records, right?

Because HSI has access to the customs and immigration databases.

I gave, I think it was an FBI guy.

I gave him some information on that.

One of my intel analysts calls the FBI back to follow up on something and ask him about information I had.

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I had given him, right?

I forget what the reason was.

Maybe we didn't have it on hand or our computers were down that day.

And he fucking told them, oh, yeah, this is classified.

We gave it to you.

What are you talking about?

It's classified.

But that's what I mean when I say like there's government bureaucracy crap.

So this happens all the time, man.

This is what happened with 9-11 when it came to the FBI and CIA sharing information.

Obviously, they've kind of tried to streamline it with sharing information between different agencies, but it's still an extremely cumbersome and annoying process.

So, to summarize,

it's simply this.

Since Epstein was the subject of a criminal investigation, but he was also an asset for a foreign government, I know for a fact there's going to be a high side file on him.

But that high side file is probably never going to make it to the light of day anytime soon.

I mean, think about it.

It took us, what, 60 years to get the Kennedy files when everyone was already dead?

And it wasn't even the full file.

It wasn't even the full one.

And we're still getting bits and pieces of it, right?

So when it comes to epstein there's people still alive israel is not very popular right now disclosing that file would probably be very bad for national security purposes for the united states and for israel because our intelligence agencies are basically in bed so it would create a lot of problems man so we're not going to see that thing for a while and on then on top of that it's not just the fbi that's going to have the file it's going to be the cia it's going to be the nsa it's going to be the dia it's going to be all these different components which the department of justice does not have oversight on the department of justice aka pambondi pamblondi she really only oversees the fbi and they're just one component of the intelligence community and it's very important for people to understand as well that the fbi handles domestic intelligence not foreign intelligence that's going to be cia so if we really want to see everything we need every member of the ic to give us the documents uh pertaining to epstein but that's never going to happen and i think the american public needs to kind of just understand like this is a part of the problem and uh we're not looking at the full picture because i guarantee you all these different ic agencies have something on epstein scene right because they're taking it out on trump obviously right now but yeah yeah and and and and look like could they declassify and put it all out of course um

but you know the fbi doesn't have everything

especially since he was a foreign asset right there's the like uh you know what i'll go ahead and say this i guarantee you the cia probably has more on him than the fbi does really

foreign that's the cia is all foreign intelligence fbi is domestic intelligence wow so people should be going after the cia then yeah it's the cia is going to have way more info just by just because of the nature of

the type of intel that he was collecting for a foreign government.

And it's funny because,

you know, Israel, even, you know, I've heard many CIA officers talk about this.

Israel is actually one of the most dangerous intelligence agencies.

Well,

dangerous countries to do intel with because they steal info all the time from us.

Yeah, dude.

Yeah, they get caught stealing from us all the time.

How do they steal it?

Like, you can look at someone like Jonathan Pollard, Pollard, for example, right?

Sold a bunch, so sold a bunch of our secrets to the Russians in exchange for, you know, getting amnesty and being able to go to Israel and stuff like that.

Wow.

So they've, they've stolen it.

And then he got pardoned in 2020.

So, so, okay, so hold on.

That doesn't make sense to me.

So this guy named Jonathan Pollard, probably one of the biggest data breaches ever,

collects information, gives it to the Russians on behalf of

people, right?

Fair.

He gets convicted, arrested.

He gets arrested, convicted, et cetera.

Goes to federal prison.

He gets a pardon by Donald Trump like in 2019, 2020.

He gets

flown from the United States over to Israel on a private jet owned by Sheldon Adelson.

And he's met at the tarmac with who?

By who?

Benjamin Nanyahu.

Wow.

So he's greeted like a hero in Israel after committing espionage against the United States.

Crazy.

Crazy stuff, bro.

But like the story was buried, right?

Nobody really talks about it, right?

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Things aren't popular, so presidents tend to do them at the end of their

terms.

But yeah, dude, that was huge.

And he's in Israel now, chilling.

He got a pardon.

Damn.

Right?

Bush, I think, right before he left office,

he had part in a couple of arms smugglers back from like the 50s, 40s, and 60s that were moving weapons and control items to what was back then mandatory british palestine but that's israel now because back then there was an embargo you couldn't move weapons over there um and a lot of guys like greenspun and a couple other of these um israeli smugglers in the beginning of israel's inception they're getting caught smuggling this stuff over there um and a lot of them did time bush went ahead after they were dead and gave them all pardons geez yep went under the went uh went um

Nobody noticed it, though, because he did it at the end of his term.

That's what most presidents do.

They do all their

pardons at the end of the term and just kind of exit out of office quietly.

Yeah, Trump did a bunch at the beginning, I see.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, because January 6th or so, you want to send a statement, right?

Like if it's like something like that, that's positive, like they're going to do it early on.

But normally, pardons are almost always reserved for the end of the term.

That makes sense.

What do you think of the Nelk boys having on Netanyahu on their podcast?

Salim is Muslim.

Bro, you're one of the best questioners.

You see on my Twitter?

I put L.

Nelk.

Yeah, I mean, look,

I'm a big proponent of free speech.

You know this.

I think, you know, nothing wrong with interviewing people, but guys like the Nelk boys interviewing Netanyahu after they went and kissed the wall, like, come on, man.

Like, we know that they're going to ask a bunch of retarded-ass questions because Netanyahu's smart.

He's never going to do an adversarial interview.

Right.

Never.

You don't think he'll do Tucker?

What was that?

You don't think he'll go on Tucker Carlson or something like that?

I don't think he will.

I don't think he will.

And actually, a lot of people have been giving Tucker a hard time for interviewing the president of Iran.

I think it was was a fantastic move.

I don't think there's anything wrong with interviewing people that we might not necessarily see eye to eye with.

And the reason why I wrote a whole tweet about this,

I think the American people have the right to know what their enemies think about them, okay, and then make their own decision.

You don't have to believe everything.

Like, for example, he was saying, oh, yeah, we're not manufacturing a nuclear weapon.

We know that's not true.

We know for a fact now they're going to absolutely manufacture a nuclear weapon, which is our fault, by the way, which that's a whole other story.

But

after 9-11, right,

Osama wrote a letter called A Letter to America.

And

it kind of was suppressed.

No one aired it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it came out like in 2002, 2003-ish.

And in the letter, he listed out all of his grievances with American foreign policy, right?

The sanctions on Iraq, the interventionalism.

um u.s soldier stays in muslim land he gave all of his grievances right and and a big part of it was our support of israel and the killing of Palestinians.

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And the occupation.

And

it's interesting because they never made that letter public.

So instead, the Bush administration filled with a bunch of neocons, which Dick Cheney ran, by the way.

It's that bad.

What they did was

They came up with the lie of, oh, they hate us because we're free, right?

But then fast forward roughly 20 years, November 2023, right after October 7th, the letter resurfaces on TikTok, goes fucking viral.

And then people were able to see, oh,

this is why we got attacked.

And they had no clue because October 7th basically started, because October 7th happens.

Everyone's on Israel's side.

Then they start to see Israel bombing the hell out of Gaza, killing kids.

Whoa, does anyone see this?

Like, you know, we're watching kids get killed in real time.

How are they getting away with this?

Then what, then they start researching the history of of Israel.

Then this letter fucking resurfaces and people go crazy.

Like, wow, this is why, you know, the Middle East dislikes us.

And we have foreign policy that, quite frankly, destabilizes them for the benefit of Israel.

So

that went viral.

And I think it's important for the American public to know what the enemy thinks about us prior to shit popping off.

Right.

The media back then in the early 2000s, remember, there was no social media back then at all.

It was, you know, mainstream media.

That's it.

No alternative media.

So the mainstream media, their excuse was we didn't publish a letter because we thought there'd be code words in there to activate sleeper cells.

That was their justification.

And then they ran with the whole, they hate us because we're free.

We invaded Iraq.

All a monumental failure.

Who benefited from that?

Israel.

Something like 80% of their oil comes from Iraq now.

Wow.

Right.

And a lot of people don't talk about that.

So

when it comes to what Tucker did, to bring it full circle with what Tucker did with the president of Iran, I think it's important to at least hear our adversaries out and let the Americans, aka the taxpayers, decide what they want to believe and what they don't.

But when we suppress the information,

that creates a lot of problems.

And then, and we can see that because when the letter to America came out and people were actually able to get a hold of this letter and read out Osama's grievances, they're like, oh,

fuck, we do a lot of bad shit in the Middle East.

I can see why they're mad.

You know, they don't give a fuck about.

women here being hoes or our pop culture or our music.

They don't give a shit about any of that stuff.

They dislike that we come into their land, intervene kill their people destabilize their governments um and do it for the benefit of another country of people that quite frankly aren't from that area so that's really what it is now am i sitting here saying like oh yeah i i i sympathize with osama no but i do think it's important that people know why our enemies hate us right so that we can um foster diplomacy and work towards peace because if you don't know your your enemy's grievances, how the hell can you come to a middle ground and forge peace?

You must know what what they dislike.

And the reason why they suppress that is because it all leads back to one place, baby.

That's why they don't want anybody to see it.

So

that's why I think what Tucker did with the president of Iran was a good idea.

And he was lying in a bunch of the things saying we're not going to make the nuclear bomb, whatever.

We know they are now because it's the only way that they're going to be able to protect themselves.

But I think

having the president of Iran, then having on Netanyahu, right, to come back to the original point here, interviewing Netanyahu,

I think that's a very grounded and good way to do it.

You interview both President of Iran and the Prime Minister of Israel, and then let the American people make their own decisions.

Facts, but he won't do that interview, probably.

Yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't think Netanyahu will know because he's going to get asked a lot of hard questions.

Yeah.

A lot of, dude, he's wanted by the ICC.

We're talking about Harvard just came out like a week or two ago, 337,000 people missing and/or right.

So, you know,

it's cooked, bro.

It's bad.

And I think at this point,

Israel can no longer justify their, you know, their war in Gaza and what they're doing.

Like they've, dude, like, bruh.

Do you think the U.S.

can thrive without Israel?

We would do a lot better.

We give them so much aid.

We've already given them like 12 plus billion dollars, right?

Just this year alone since Trump came in, right?

We expedited an aid package like a couple months ago.

So I think up to this point, we've given them something like 12 billion, if not more, in aid because of the conflict.

They clearly can't defend themselves, even though they claim that they can.

When Iran was shooting missiles back at them, we had to absolutely step in.

Us, the Brits, the French, Jordan, we all had to step in and help knock these missiles down, these interceptors.

And obviously they couldn't keep that going for long.

The ceasefire, unpopular take, and a lot of people don't like hearing this, but the reality is this.

The Iranians were fucking the Israelis up.

Wow.

They were.

So,

because I was following this, and I'm vindicated because now Israeli media is finally starting to say this.

But when the war was happening, when I was covering it, I was showing

what was going on.

And Tel Aviv was getting hit really hard, dude.

A lot of the missiles were coming through.

People underestimated Iran's ballistic missile program.

They have a very good missile program.

So a lot of these missiles were going through, penetrating the Iron Dome, the sling, and the,

they have three different air defense systems.

I forget the last one.

And then obviously the Thad that we provide them.

And alongside the, you know, the aircraft carriers that were also shooting missiles down.

But the thing is this, it's significantly more expensive to shoot missiles down than it is to shoot the missiles.

So what Iran was doing was they were just overwhelming Israel with like hundreds of missiles.

And then once the interceptors were all kind of spent out,

they will go ahead and shoot the real missiles in and those would actually strike.

Oh, wow.

And the thing is, is that Israel is spending something like 100 million, if not more, a day just to shoot down the missiles because interceptor missiles are far more expensive.

than the attack missiles that Iran was shooting.

So it's a battle of attrition.

You know, in that type of warfare, who's going to win?

well it costs iran significantly less to shoot at israel than it costs israel to defend itself um so they had to you know negotiate the ceasefire um and i talked about this too people might not like it but again um this this war was a l it was a l because people are going to sit there and say oh well myron um you we destroyed their nuclear program okay

let's assume let's go off what the pentagon says pete xeth donald trump and everyone else at the Pentagon says that um we pushed their nuclear program one to two years back.

Fair.

Let's run with that.

Let's assume that they don't still have 400 kilos of uranium.

Let's assume

that everything they told us is 100%

on point.

Here's the reality.

Unless you get rid of the regime, it was an epic L.

Now, Israel might not admit this on Western television, but if you watch Israeli television, they want a regime change.

They don't just want to remove the nuclear weapons.

The nuclear weapons is a

a facade to effectuate what they really want, which is regime change.

But they need a justification.

Okay.

Because the thing is, is that we already, you know, people aren't buying the Iraq war narrative anymore.

Weapons of mass destruction.

So they need to say, yo, they got nuclear weapons.

They're close.

Nanyao has been saying this shit for like 30 years that they have nuclear weapons.

So they're using the nuclear weapons to effectuate a regime change.

How do I know this?

I'll tell you why.

When they launched Operation Rising Lions, they went for the jugular.

They activated multiple Mossad assets

in Iran.

from behind enemy lines, took down the missile defenses, they jammed the radars, and then while this was happening, fucking fighter jets were coming in and bombing the nuclear facilities.

Then on top of that, they were doing precision strikes.

They killed like nine nuclear scientists on the first day, like 10 generals.

Yeah.

Right.

Precision.

Like as they were at their homes, shot it into the apartment and killed them, them and their family in that apartment.

That precise.

Technology?

Yes, dude.

Yes.

Yes.

This is, this is why

I'm so critical.

of Israel because I know what they're capable of, right?

So when I see them indiscriminately bombing and killing kids in Gaza, I know that they have missiles and technologies that allow them to hit a building and take out just a part of the building to kill their target with precision.

With absolute precision.

And they did it in Iran.

I mean, the Pedra attack that they did in Lebanon, right, with the, with Hezbollah, the, the fact that they killed Ishmael Hanea in Tehran, Iran, you killed one of your enemies in another fucking country with precision.

You only killed him and his bodyguard, nobody else.

You're telling me that you guys can't go ahead and do more precise strikes in your own backyard in Gaza?

It doesn't make sense.

So that's why I give them very, um, that's why I'm so hard on them on that.

And I'm very critical of that because it's like, I know they have the technology to do better.

So

going back to what I was saying,

shit.

We're talking about the,

oh, the, the loss.

So the reason why this was an epic L is because unless you get the regime change,

they're going to rebuild.

They've, it's already been proven that Iran has the ability ability to

enrich uranium.

They've mastered the cycle, right?

They have the centrifuges.

They have the sciences.

They have the technology to do it.

So unless you get rid of the regime, they're going to rebuild.

And this is why, as we speak, Israel is planning to attack them again.

Why do you think Nanyahu's here in the United States?

He's not here to fucking hang out and give gifts.

No, he's here to probably try to get another attack on Iran.

Every time he comes here, an attack quickly, sorry, an attack follows.

Right.

Right.

So he comes in here on some other shit.

Like didn't like the last time he was here.

he was here for tariffs.

Yeah.

Okay.

No, he was here to literally probably plan and coordinate Operation Rising Lions that we saw last month.

Yeah.

That's what he was here for.

And, and I think they wanted to do the operation sooner.

That's why Mike Waltz got fired because he wanted to, he was aligned with the Israelis and he wanted to do it sooner.

But I think Trump said, no, no, no, give them 60 days.

And then if they don't do it on the 61st day, you can hit.

And that's why they hit on the 61st day like they did.

So, um, but it was L because we spent billions of dollars to hit their nuclear facilities, us us with our B-2 bombers.

The Israelis spent a bunch of money and we spent a bunch of money.

Well, actually, they spent our money to help defend them with shooting the missiles that were coming down from Iran.

They're going to have to rebuild everything.

And at the end of the day, the regime is still there.

One of the generals they thought they killed actually survived.

So they didn't chop the head of the snake off.

So they're going to rebuild their nuclear program.

So was it really a win?

And then on top of that, it gets worse.

So

because again, I watch all media.

I watch Iranian media.

I watch Israeli media, American media, et cetera.

Here's another dirty little secret that they didn't tell you.

So in Iran, there's two political parties.

There's the reformists and then the conservatives.

The reformists are equivalent of Democrats.

The conservatives, obviously, are like the Republicans.

For years, there's always been a rift in the government where one side says, the reformists, we need to go ahead and have diplomacy with the West.

We need to lift these sanctions, right?

It was a big reason why they got into the nuclear deal back in 2015.

And then Trump took us out.

But the conservatives say, no, the West can't be trusted, right?

So there's been this battle in parliament over in the Iranian government where half of them wants diplomacy.

The other half says, no, we can't trust them.

When we allowed Israel to attack them in the middle of negotiations, they got hit on like a Thursday or a Friday.

We're supposed to meet with them on Sunday to, you know, for like our fifth or sixth round of talks.

What we basically did was they said, you know what?

We're going to hit these motherfuckers back.

Finally.

The reformists and the conservatives said, we need to go on the offensive.

It was so bad that the Iranian people came out and and started protesting, saying the government needs to hit Israel back.

Yeah.

So, because a lot of people make the criticisms like, oh, yeah, the theocracy is fucked up.

People don't want to, they don't even like Diatolla, whatever.

That's true.

A lot of people don't like Diatolla.

But guess what you did?

You united the country by attacking them because even though they might not like,

even though they might not like

Diatolla, Khameni, Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, they hate Israel more.

So all the people that were critical of the government now got behind the government, right?

So that's a big fuck up.

We basically created like reinvigorated national pride.

Two, now the IAEA is kicked out of the country, which is the inspectors, which who they were giving information to us, by the way, to us and the Israelis.

These are the nuclear scientists, whatever.

That's how they knew who all these guys were.

They kicked them out the country.

Now they're absolutely going to enrich uranium to get a nuclear bomb because they know it's the only way that they're going to keep Israel and the United States from attacking them, right yeah they're going to be like kim jong-un have a nuclear bomb and nobody can touch me right it's the only way that they'll be able to maintain the regime and we've strengthened their resolve we've strengthened their resolve now so this i think all this aggression without getting rid of the regime was a big l

and on top of that they look at as a w and the reason why they look at it as a w is like what we did was that was a pearl harbor event for them and the fact that the united states and israel hit them and the regime is still intact

crazy that's a W for them, bro.

Normally, when the U.S.

comes in and hits you, it's over.

We saw it with Saddam.

We saw it with Gaddafi.

We saw it with Bashar al Assad.

Yeah, that's true.

So the fact that they survived, this is a big W for them.

Damn.

It's nuts, man.

We're funding Israel just to announce more funding.

And it's crazy to me how, like, in the Western media, we sit there and we say, oh, yeah, we're winning, we're winning.

Another thing, too, is like

the Israeli government, going back real quick to the whole, how the missiles were hitting Tel Aviv, the Israeli media purposely didn't want reporters.

They were putting reporters in jail if they were taking video and pictures of the damage.

Now, obviously, some of it leaked, but the reason why was because two main reasons.

Number one, operational security.

They didn't want the Iranians to know where the missiles were hitting so they can like fine-tune the coordinates and be more destructive.

And number two, Israel is a small country with already a frightened class of people.

Most Israelis have a second passport.

They don't want people fleeing the country.

They don't want pandemonium.

So another reason why they withheld a lot of the damage that was done was to kind of keep the people from getting too scared.

Because remember, no one could leave the country for like two weeks.

They shut down the airport.

So that's another reason why they didn't reveal the information.

But it came out like last week or a week and a half ago on Israeli media.

They said, yeah, Iran hit the Mossad headquarters.

They hit Oman.

They hit a couple other strategic locations, which, whenever they say strategic, that means nuclear/slash military facilities.

So Iran absolutely did hit Israel very hard.

And then I saw so much video of damage.

And, you know,

the point, the bottom line is this.

Iran fucked up Israel and Israel fucked up Iran.

Both of them did a significant amount of damage to each other.

But I did find it interesting how Western media didn't report all the damage that Israel was taking.

That is interesting.

Yeah.

They kept saying like, oh, yeah, the Iranians aren't hitting them and everything.

And it was bullshit.

When I was looking at, you know, alternative media, I was seeing the damage with my own eyes.

I was seeing the missiles hit.

I was seeing buildings destroyed, you know?

So that was all a a lie, but, you know, by design.

Yeah, because all the media is owned by, you know, and then, and then the ceasefire benefited Israel a lot because, like I said before, it was a war of attrition.

The interceptor missiles are way more expensive than the missiles that Iran is shooting in.

They got cheap drones and shit.

They're just shooting them in, wasting their interceptor missiles, right?

You're spending a million dollars to knock down a $20,000 drone.

Well, then what?

Then they send in the hypersonic missiles.

Yeah.

And those do the real damage.

So

that's what really went down.

But it's crazy to me how like, you know,

so many Americans Americans were like brainwashed by the Fox News bullshit about, oh, yeah, Iran's not doing any damage.

They absolutely were.

Yeah.

Both of them were fucking each other up.

Yeah.

Just announced more funding to Ukraine.

Can you believe that?

I don't know why the hell we're still wasting our money there, man.

Like,

okay,

let's have a very honest conversation here.

The reason why we're putting so much money into Ukraine and

giving them our weapons is because this is kind of a way for us to test our capabilities without our soldiers dying.

That's what this really is, right?

It's us, number one, fighting a proxy war against Russia, but it's also a fantastic way to test our capabilities against our

most formidable adversary without our soldiers dying, right?

The only difference is that we got Ukrainians operating American technology.

So we're basically kind of test running and seeing how things are going.

But at this point, dude, it's been going on for what, three years now?

It's like, enough is enough, man.

Like,

they're saying, I think death estimates are like 1 million on the Ukrainian side, somewhere between 500 to 1 million.

And then on the Russian side, 100 to 500,000.

Obviously, fog of war, they always, you know, try to keep the deaths close to their chest.

But,

dude, it's fucking ridiculous.

And I think Trump is starting to get frustrated with Putin

because he thought it was going to be a lot easier than it is now to end this war.

Oh, I could get it done in 24 hours.

Doesn't look like it, man.

That's why he struck the nuclear, the mineral deal with Zelensky, because he realized that we're spending a lot of money to do this.

So, like, all right, look, we're going to keep giving you guys all this money and support.

We need to get something in return.

So we need to strike this mineral deal because I think he knows that it's going to take a while to negotiate this thing.

But at the same time,

Putin's winning.

He has really no incentive to come to the table and negotiate with us.

Like, oh, sanctions?

The sanctions, they don't give a fuck about the sanctions.

They've sanctioned-proof their country now at this point.

They've been preparing for this war since 2014, right?

When When we ran a coup to destabilize the Ukrainian government and put someone in that's more Western friendly.

So the Russians have been preparing for this and the sanctions don't affect them.

I think last year it came out.

They're like the fifth strongest economy in the world.

So despite the sanctions, it doesn't do shit.

Now they're talking about, oh, let's do heavier sanctions.

I don't think it's going to do anything.

Like,

okay, sanction them some more.

They've already pretty much built up an economy that doesn't need bricks and the way they do things.

They bought a bunch of gold in preparation for this.

Russia holds a significant amount of gold.

They got natural resources.

They have trading partners that are strong.

They don't really need.

They got taken off Swift, didn't miss a beat.

So, you know,

this is once again, bad foreign policy by the United States that's come to blow up in our fucking face, right?

For decades, we've been promising the Russians that NATO would not expand closer and closer to their border, right?

NATO, they wanted to join NATO.

And we said no.

I think it was either Condoleezza Rice or Colin Powell back in the early 2000s

said, no, we're not going to let you in, right?

You have to talk to Clinton about joining NATO.

And the reason why that we won't let them in NATO is because if we let Russia into NATO, our biggest adversary, well, guess what?

There's no need for the military-industrial complex.

If we don't have an enemy, how are we going to justify buying weapons?

How are we going to justify creating weapons?

How are we going to justify selling weapons?

So

we need an enemy, a perpetual enemy, to continue the military-industrial complex.

So it's retarded, dude.

It's retarded.

But at the end of the day, another controversial take.

Russia had more justification invading Ukraine than we had invading Iraq.

Wow.

And I stand on that.

Anyone that fucking gets mad at me for that?

Oh, Brad,

what do you mean?

Well, Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11.

Saddam wasn't a threat to us.

Why the fuck did we go?

And then we look later.

What do we have?

Nothing to show for it.

On the other hand, Russia can articulate that.

Zelensky being in power, NATO, and them potentially joining in NATO is a huge national security threat for them.

You're talking about NATO being right on their fucking fucking border.

So I would argue the Russians have way more justification invading Ukraine than we did invading Iraq.

Yeah.

Trump's fighting a lot of battles right now.

One of them's against Elon.

How do you see that one playing out?

So I've been very critical of Elon because, you know, he said free speech and everything, but he was like banning people for being critical of Israel, being critical of the H1B visa.

Like I lost my blue check because I said H-1B visas are a scam.

And then obviously I've been critical of like the Israel lobby and shit like that.

And that got me demonetized.

So on one end, he says he's up for free speech, but then he's still censoring people.

So, and then I know some people are going to say, well, Myron, freedom of speech isn't freedom of reach.

It kind of is, dude, because if you're going to sit there and you're going to demonetize people or take their check away, you are

soft, you're soft censoring them, right?

Because what you've done is.

Now they're scared to say what they really want to say.

So it is a form of censorship.

Anyone that sits there and says like demonetization or removing a verification isn't censorship, it is retarded.

It absolutely is a form of censorship.

And you can even make the argument that it's more pernicious because by allowing you to stay on the platform and have your check gone and have you demonetized, you're kind of like the glowing example to everyone else.

Like, hey, look, see, if you don't fucking get in line, we're going to have you like this guy without a check and not getting monetized.

Now, with that said, you know, I don't give a shit because, you know, Twitter doesn't pay like that anyway.

But I think it's a principle that is stupid because a lot of other people got lost their badge and got demonetized for being critical of the H-1B visa.

So that's one thing.

And then, you know, Elon,

you know,

I don't hate him.

Like, I give him credit words, due.

I do think that, you know, him making him taking over Twitter was a net positive.

Despite my personal grievances, I can be an adult and look back and say it's still better than what it was before, but it needs a lot of work.

And then as far as him and the Trump situation, okay.

I'm sensitive to why Elon is mad.

And for people to understand understand why he's having this fucking crash out, let's go back a little bit.

When Trump came, well, let's go back to last year, right around this time, July.

Trump gets shot, survives the assassination attempt.

Elon jumps on board and starts endorsing him.

After Elon jumps on board and starts endorsing him, he makes X far more pro-Trump.

They hold a Twitter space.

And, you know, Twitter was monumental in helping Trump get elected because him getting big on Twitter basically had other influencers bring him on their podcast.

That kind kind of set up the stage and the catapult for him to go on Rogan, Theo Von, all these other podcasts, right?

Which at the end helped him a lot more than Kamala having these celebrities.

And then

once Trump got into office in January, Elon took on Doge and he really started working on, you know, making the government more efficient, trying to fire people, whatever it may be.

Well, people forget, and despite the fact that I don't like Elon, I have to give him credit on this.

His business has suffered.

Tesla went down.

SpaceX, X X started to fucking become shittier.

And the biggest thing with Tesla was since he had backed the Republican, right?

All the crazy liberals and Democrats that used to like Elon, they started vandalizing the cars.

They started firebombing the cars at dealerships.

This is why the FBI went so hard against them and arrested them for terrorism to send a message, because it was plummeting the Tesla stock, right?

And let's be honest here.

Most Republicans and conservatives think climate change is a scam.

Most of us.

Who buys EV cars?

Fucking Democrats.

So Tesla took a huge fucking nosedive by Elon, not only supporting a Republican president like Trump, who was very divisive, but also by stepping away from it to work on government functions.

And keep in mind, he didn't get paid.

Him and Donald Trump, I think, were the only two employees in the government that didn't take a salary while they were working for free.

So the reason why he's so mad is because he spent all this time losing billions of dollars in net worth, getting his cars attacked, his name smeared, ostracized by the former group of people that used to support him, because he used to be a Democrat.

And then Trump passed the big beautiful bill, which is completely antithetical to everything that he worked for.

Because this is a bill that made him crash out.

He's like, dude, I did all this work.

I lost billions of fucking,

you know, net worth.

I put hundreds of millions of dollars into your campaign.

And this is how you repay me.

You put out this bill that, you know, increased spending.

So I can see why he's mad.

Could have they resolved it another way?

I think so.

For the sake of the administration and everything, they could have definitely resolved this in another way.

I think Elon going out and saying, oh, he's in the Epstein files, then deleting and everything, it made some look like a clown.

They should have handled this behind the scenes.

But I do understand why he's mad.

The way he went about it was stupid, but I understand.

Dude lost like billions in net worth.

Yeah.

You think his new party will gain any traction?

Nah.

Nah, not at all.

Not at all.

Not at all.

Third parties always get cooked.

Nobody gives a shit, unfortunately.

Like, I don't, you know,

I know that he, you know, he was talking about like backing Thomas Massey, who I think I like Thomas Massey a lot, right?

He's like one of the few America first politicians.

Doesn't take Zionist money from APAC, et cetera.

But the problem is that

unfortunately at the federal level,

you know, getting into a position of power in the government is very difficult if you don't have the Zionist lobby backing you.

Now, Momdani up in New York is kind of setting a new trend, right?

Where we got this guy who is basically a fucking socialist, but he's critical of Israel and he might become mayor of New York, which is a huge,

well okay it's an l from the policy side but it is a w from the politician side because if we're able to get a mayor that um is able to be critical of the zionist lobby of the most influential and one of the most important cities in the united states that's a w when it comes to not being infiltrated again i want to be clear about this i don't agree with the socialist policies and you know cities own city-owned supermarkets, all this other shit.

Whatever.

That's all retarded.

But I do think that basically what he did, and I wrote a whole fucking thesis on this about why he's winning,

he came at the perfect fucking time.

We know New York is far left.

We know New York is expensive.

We know New York is overwhelmingly pro-Palestine.

We know that

they're liberal.

He was able to come in and have all the talking points of the common man.

understand their grievances, talk about their grievances, and most importantly, point out to who's who's responsible.

That's very powerful.

If you look, go back to the Trump campaign, who is he blaming?

The deep state, incompetency by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, corruption, you know, the LGBT community, the illegal aliens.

So, like, he was able to have a bunch of targets to put the blame on.

And whenever you're able to put the blame on people, it's actually a very fantastic tactic that politicians use all the time.

So, what Mamdani was able to do is basically was able to use that rhetoric, but point it now and blame the Republicans.

And that's going to work in New York City, which is a blue city, right?

And then on top of that, we see people, you know, getting blown up in Gaza and everything else like that.

So he was also critical of the Zionist lobby, which is

redeeming in this day and age, because now that's one of the best ways to show that you're anti-establishment if you're willing to criticize the Zionist lobby.

Most politicians would never do that.

So to bring it back full circle with the whole Elon Musk, his party, Thomas Massey, et cetera, I think Mamdani winning could potentially set a precedent where politicians don't have to suck Zionist Koch to get in.

But at the same time, I still think we're maybe 10 to 20 years from there.

And I still think at the federal level, it's going to take more time.

But I do think Momdani, if he does get elected, that's maybe the first domino to fall where politicians can finally not have to rely on the Zionist lobby so much.

But we'll see, man.

I do think if Thomas Massey ran and he did a good campaign, I think it maybe even beat J.D.

Vance, man.

Who knows?

Damn.

But this isn't four years.

This will be 2028.

All right.

I got a list of names here.

I want to see what comes to mind for you when I say these names.

Emily Saves America.

Emily Wilson.

Grifter.

Grifter.

She's an undercover feminist like Megan Kelly.

You know what I mean?

It's just simple.

Dean Withers.

Retard.

Retard.

He's decent at debating.

I'll say that.

Yeah,

me and him were supposed to debate.

He fucking backed out twice.

And he challenged me.

That's the crazy part.

How are you going to challenge me to back out?

I invited him to this to debate you if you turned it down.

Yeah, he turned it down.

Yeah.

He's a pussy.

Uh, stable Ronaldo sharing bank accounts with your girlfriend.

Oh, yeah, simp, dude.

Dude,

see, that's the problem when with these young guys that like get money and then have a lot of influence.

Like,

that's a terrible precedent.

Like,

this is why red pill awareness is so fucking important, bro.

Like, by him combining bank accounts like that, if he really did, I don't know if he's doing it for clicks, but that's a huge L, man.

Well, someone that is doing it for real is Dave Portnoy.

What about him?

Retard.

Fucking retard.

With his ex, not even his current girl.

Yeah, dude.

Like, I saw his, his, his, the clip on that.

He said that, like, she was there with him and she helped him build when he didn't have shit.

Okay, I understand that.

Like, dude, just give her a severance package for being loyal to, but for her to still have access to your bank account is crazy, especially when she has another guy.

But yeah, Portnoy, man, he's really exposed himself recently, man.

Like, you know, flipping out on the fucking, you know, kid from Philly for a fucking sign, right?

Flipping out on his employees about the Israel thing.

Like,

dude, it it's it's ridiculous man literally it's like the meme like Oyve shut it down like you know dude ruined this fucking kid's life over a sign at a club that he didn't even pay for right for putting on fucking Instagram seriously man right so it's absolutely ridiculous anti-Semitism got to him man yeah dude it's like

they go crazy man like yeah you're demonetized on every single platform other than rumble i think right

uh

yeah rumble and kick still monetize on there but you know obviously they're more free speech yeah bro like yeah demonetize on youtube banned off meta.

I gotta, I have to have to make like a million new accounts.

Um, I don't even know why I'm

fucked up retarded.

Um, I'm not on Snapchat, but yeah, yeah, Twitter demonetized.

No, it's whatever, man.

Last name, Kai Son.

Costa doing the job.

Yeah, when you're spreading truth, I guess.

Yeah.

Last name, Kai Sanat.

His girl just cheated on him.

You know, dude, these streamer guys, bro, like, the problem is that there's nothing worse than being a young guy with money and not being red pill aware it literally will ruin your life because you come into all this money but you don't have the prerequisite experience to handle women with that money does that make sense yeah because it used to be you could only become a millionaire by being competent by understanding how the world works by having certain characteristics but now thanks to the internet right

and thanks to cryptocurrency, whatever, let's be honest, lots of retards have become millionaires and they didn't have to kind of go through the, you you know, arduous task of like figuring shit out and being resourceful and learning certain things and being competent in certain things.

But, you know, and this isn't me hating me.

This is just me just being honest.

Like, and what's ended up happening is a lot of these streamers that have a lot of money, they get finessed by women.

They just do because they don't know better.

Right.

So I think red pill awareness, dude, in 2025, especially is like, you have to have it.

And for those that are wondering, oh, red pill, that sounds stupid.

Dude, the red pill is nothing more than understanding the uncomfortable and unflattering truth about women and how they may select, which is simply women go for the best man that they can get.

Hypergamy is real.

They reserve the right to leave you at any time.

And if they find a better option, they will probably leave and they won't give a fuck about it.

This is why women get over breakups way faster than dudes.

You're sitting there fucking crying, oh my God, oh, she leave, bro.

She broke up with you months ago.

So this is something that more men need to understand and not just, well, number one, learn.

Number two, understand.

And then number three, be prepared for.

And unfortunately,

not enough guys are getting red pill fast enough i think you know people like me and andrew tate have done a good job of like waking guys up to this problem um but it's still a minority dude my a majority of men are still simps yeah still no matter how because i'm thinking in my head like yes yes we're waking people up woo and then i set up a table out in brickle and then i got these simps coming up to me wait you don't think men and women are equal and i'm just like oh man like dude like fuck man like you know you you save one guy and then there's still like a thousand over here that are still fucking blue pilled as hell thinking that men and women are equal and it's like no dude we're not equal at all like you know men are better than women at everything we're superior to them and everything like we built the world and like for me to say that is considered misogynistic and fucked up but it's the truth man yeah you said uh you said women need to be made second class citizens again they need to be what you said on twitter women need to be made a second class citizen yeah they do facts yeah that we they do and what i mean by this when i say second class citizens i kind of say that tongue-in-cheek pause What I mean by that is we need to remove their voting rights.

We need to make it where if they are going to vote, they need to have certain things in place.

And then I think they need to be focused more on having a family and children and being subservient to men versus what they're doing now, which is being whores, not serving men, and thinking that they're better than men.

Because what's happened is that feminism is kind of over-corrected

the intersexual dynamics now.

And what's basically happened is the average woman doesn't think the average man qualifies.

I'll take it a step further.

Women look at a majority of men like 90% as like annoying mosquitoes.

Right.

And the reason why we have this is because our society, right?

I think we live in a gynocentric social order.

People might say, oh, Myron, it's a patriarchy.

Yes, it's a patriarchy light.

And what I mean by this is, yes, men are represented in positions of power in government and other entities.

However, they have a female way of thinking.

And when I say that we live in a gynocentric social order, though there are men that are in positions of power, they still think the female way of thinking is the right way of thinking.

So, in other words, everybody's equal, everybody should get the same opportunity, everybody should get the same amount of money.

You know, we need equal representation on all ends.

So, though there are men that are there, they're like kind of empty vessels to push the gynocentric social order.

Like, I'll give you an example.

If I was to walk around and say, Yeah, women are inferior to men, most guys would cringe hearing that.

Yeah,

right?

Right.

And I kind of like doing this in front of normies, right?

And the reason why

I use this example is because it goes to show how disconnected men are from like the reality of the world, right?

They've been plugged in so goddamn long.

So when I say something like that, it's shocking.

And they're like, whoa, that makes me feel uncomfortable.

And that in itself proves that despite the fact that men might be in positions of power or overrepresented, because this is what feminists always allude to.

Like, well, how's it a gynocentric society when men are in positions of power?

Yeah, they're fucking simps and they defer to the female way of thinking.

They think the female way of thinking is the right way of thinking.

Right.

Like,

I'll give you an example.

Like, look at Dean Withers.

Yeah.

Right.

If you look at his talking points, all of his talking points are liberal, progressive, female talking points.

He's just a male vessel putting out the bullshit propaganda.

And there's a lot of guys like that.

100%.

Where are you doing interviews next?

What campuses?

Where can people find you, man?

Myron Gaines X everywhere.

I do my show,

Myron gains x akid on youtube and rumble and kick and everywhere else it's called the debrief and uh my community is the oss oh slash squad and uh yeah man that's that's basically where we do it and um what else i was gonna say oh and the college campus stuff we're gonna probably resume that i think uh september you got to bring that back yeah you crushed yeah you need to come out for um for one of them dude um i i think it'd be hilarious if uh I do it live and then me and you could do like a post interview after.

Yeah, let's do it.

UNLV.

Yeah.

I think that'll be, I think, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We could do that actually.

Is it a public school?

It's pretty, it's public.

It's pretty liberal, I'd say.

Okay, this is a swing stage.

Because the only thing is, if it's public, it's a lot easier than the private schools.

The private schools kind of like kick us out for anything.

Really?

Yeah, dude.

I like my guy, Sean, from Uncensored America.

He kind of like educated me on a lot of this stuff.

But yeah, it's a pain in the ass

to do it at our private schools because they reserve the right to be like, oh, it's private.

Get out of here, bro.

First Amendment doesn't apply.

Penn State did that to Charlie Kirk, actually.

Well, they're a state school.

It might have been.

It might have been one of the private schools.

Was it U, Penn?

Maybe one of them.

Yeah.

I know he got in trouble.

Okay, yeah.

But yeah, private schools are the worst, dude.

And Ivy's are private.

So that might be what.

The guys are getting exposed right now.

Yeah.

Harvard just got wrecked.

What was that?

Harvard just got wrecked.

Yeah.

You know, it's crazy.

See, I hate it because

now I got a side with Harvard and Harvard's the enemy.

Like, I went to Northeastern, so, like, there are fucking rivals.

But, like, dude, what Trump and the DHS and shit like that are doing with the Trump administration, with the colleges, is bullshit, dude.

You thought that was overstepping?

100%.

Because

why are you going to deport kids for fucking anti-Semitism?

Dude, they're legally here.

And here's the thing.

You know me, I'm like super pro immigration enforcement.

I say send them all fucking back.

I used to work in immigration, but I find it absolutely ridiculous that kids that are legally here came here on an F1 visa.

You're deporting them for being critical of Israel.

Isn't it crazy how a student can come here, say, fuck Trump, fuck America, be fine.

But if he says, you know what, fuck Israel, up, get him out of here.

You could criticize our president, be fine, but if you go ahead and criticize a foreign country, you're going to get banned, you're going to get deported.

Crazy.

That's crazy, dude.

And that infringes on our First Amendment right.

So that's my problem with it.

And then we're expending, like, you know, we don't have resources to, you know, just deport college students all day.

We got to focus on the people that are actually here illegally.

Yeah.

So, yeah, the whole anti-Semitism laws and deportation is fucking retorted.

Absolutely.

Well, check them out, guys.

Thanks for coming on again, bro.

Yeah, bro.

Good to see you.

It always is, man.

Peace.