Jesse ON FIRE: Simulation Theory: Are We Living in a Programmed Reality? | DSH #1505

And a lot of people are terrified about where AI is going to go and whether or not the AI is going to turn on us and kill us.

My opinion, honestly, is I think that's humans projecting humanity onto the AI.

Because humans are like, well, what if they hurt us and then we go bomb them?

Like, it seems psychopathic when you really think about it.

All right, guys, we got Jesse on fire out in Vegas.

Let's go, baby.

Let's do this, dude.

How much did you gamble last night?

Zero, actually, which is rare for me to be in Vegas and not gamble, but I didn't play at all, actually.

Played it safe.

I played it safe.

I was tired, man.

Yeah, I feel that.

A lot happening with Epstein, man.

Dude, what do you think?

You think if you had to bet your life on

if someone's leaning on Trump and that's why, like, I think it's fair to assume now Trump's definitely in the file that Comey and them turned over.

But if you had to bet on whether there's something that like an entity is actually leaning on Trump about, whether like, you need to make this go away or else you think, you think they got something like that?

They'd have to be really powerful, but it's, it's possible, right?

Yeah.

I mean, it's, I mean, it's, yeah, it's always possible.

I think that the, the thing about him, though, is if you look at like how he campaigned, the, the best term I ever heard, we're swearing on here.

Yeah, you can.

Ben Shapiro said that Trump is a mud monster.

And he's like, because anything you throw at him, it just, he just absorbs it.

It doesn't matter.

So it would have to be something real fucked up.

Yeah.

You know, it would have to be something real fucked up.

That's why I don't think, like, I don't think Trump fucked kids.

You know what I mean?

So my guess is if it's anything, it would have been some kind of, because he was buddies with Epstein back in the day.

Like, you know, it seems like good buddies.

You look at those clips of them together.

They're laughing and like looking at chicks and stuff.

And if you know for sure.

that Epstein's entire purpose of interacting with all these people is specifically to entrap them into material that he can use against them or whoever's running him can use.

It wouldn't be hard, I don't think, to get Trump to say something really stupid into a phone call.

You know, if that's, if that's the type of the relationship that they have and, you know, Epstein made some comment about some girl that he had that's like in high school and then Trump kind of, you know, go, oh, you know what I mean?

Like imagine how damaging that would be now if it was an authentic call, even if it was 30 years ago and he acknowledged that he, you know, fucked around with like a high school girl and then Trump said something kind of affirming it in any way.

Like, that's that's the only thing that I could think of that would make sense.

Yeah, it'd be hard to think of something because with Trump, he's so open about everything.

This is the first time I've seen him so like reserved about anything, honestly, right?

Yeah, they painted themselves into a corner.

Honestly, if this thing actually played out the way that I think it did, which is because Maureen Comey is the one who tried the Diddy case, the Gallain Maxwell case, and would have tried the Epstein case had he not, you know, died.

So the file was definitely in her possession.

She's James Comey's daughter, which means, I mean, she is an adversary of Trump.

There's no conversation there for sure.

And

they have the ability to put whatever they want into that file.

And so as the new DOJ comes in, they're like, give us everything you have on Epstein.

And they're trying to hide it originally.

And they keep putting pressure on him.

You know, if you're James Comey, you're like, yeah, give him that fucking file and then put whatever you want in it.

And then, you know, you potentially have him in a jackpot where if they release it all, it makes him look bad.

But the word that just got released

or got reported this week was that

exactly what happened was

Pam Bondi went to Trump, but she's like, your name is in this a lot more than we anticipated.

And then so Trump started saying like, okay, well, then shut it down.

But in that same article, it said that the source that claimed that also said that there's nothing in that he's not implicated in any wrongdoing.

He's just all over the file.

And so if they're, if their purpose was to get everything they had on Epstein and then just kind of word vomit the entire thing out and just hand it to the public and it's like trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump.

That probably looks bad.

But it's a pretty bizarre way to go about it, though.

All of a sudden out of nowhere, you know, you're like, what are you guys talking about?

The whole thing's a hoax.

Everyone's all, oh, you guys literally, you guys brought a bunch of influencers out here, gave them binders, called it Epstein release phase one.

and had them go, you know, like to all of their audience, which, and the only stuff you had in there was a bunch of stuff everybody already knew you know i had a few of those influencers on the pod they they felt well the ones i talked to at least felt a little bamboozled i would assume so they felt like they got played yeah you know i my honest opinion about what happened there is

i don't think that pam bondi or trump or those people who are in decision-making roles actually understood the culture of people online who have been after Epstein.

I don't think they like got it.

Yeah, they underestimated that for sure.

They just didn't understand.

So they're like, okay, well, we've got these flight logs, we've got this, we've got this, they've got this.

And they've never gone on all these forums and looked and seen that, like, we all know that stuff.

You know, we all know this.

So, like, they thought they're all here.

You go, look at these, like, look at these flight logs.

You know, they give us fancy binders, you know, and everybody's, everybody looks at them.

We're all cool.

Like, we've, we've noted that this on Reddit for three years, dude.

You know, I think that is probably what happened in that one.

And then the other thing that I really don't understand, though, was

when Pam Bondi comes out and says that she has 10,000 hours of videos of Epstein with children, that is exactly what she said.

And she's like, and now we're reviewing them.

You have a source that goes to Alex Jones and tells him

that they have multiple people inside the FBI who are reviewing all these tapes because they need to watch all of them.

10,000 hours is an endless amount of horrific stuff to watch.

And they're watching all of it so that they can compile all of it.

And then all of a sudden they're like, yeah, we don't have anything.

And actually, what she was talking about was just run of the mill dark web child.

And you're like, that's not what you said at all dude like

so

i don't know it it smells like someone who wasn't thinking this through very well was like just kill the whole thing you know like that's that's how it sounds to me is like maybe trump just came in and he's like we got to just kill this whole thing and then just walked out and all of them are sitting there looking at each other you know what i mean they're like what like we can't just like kill the whole thing he's like i'll take care of it then writes this tweet you know and he just you're like bro this is a thing where you needed to understand the details before you started trying to put a lid on this because now you made made it a thousand times worse.

There seems to be something evil they're hiding, bro, because I searched for hours on the internet looking for survivors because I wanted to have some on the pod and I couldn't find anything.

That's the thing that has always blown my mind about this is,

okay, so the Florida case, right?

The original one.

Which should be a dividing line in the like a timeline moment that everyone should take note of and then consider when they're evaluating everyone's behavior on this, which is when Epstein went down for the Florida case, even though he was given a s- the tri-light from Therasage is no joke.

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It's like, from that moment forward, if you're associating with him after that, that's a completely different thing.

If you're friends with him before that, even if we find out, okay, well, the guy was a scumbag.

It's like, okay, but he didn't have a charge that he had pled guilty to.

Like soliciting sex from a minor,

dude, if one of my super close friends did that, you think that I'm just like, hey, bro, hey, Age, you get your, you know, get done with your term in jail.

Let's go, like, go watch a football game.

You know what I mean?

Like, even a single count of that you're like bro that's that's a wrap for us you know what i mean so but in that case there were 200 and i believe it was either 200 or 250 victims

and it was just a daisy train of these like young kind of 14 to you know 13 to like 16 who were bribed by epstein to bring new girls in ghelaine maxwell would like make them feel comfortable the girls the new one would always think that the one who brought them there was going to be in the room with them and they were going to be massaging him and then boom they just abandoned her there.

Like they just take her, you know, oh, get your shirt off.

He just likes it like this, whatever, Galena and the other one.

And they would just leave her there alone with Epstein.

And now you have a 14-year-old in the same situation that Weinstein would put these grown-ups in that they couldn't, they couldn't manage.

So

in that case,

where are all those girls?

Like, and then, and then which ones of those are on the island?

Like, where are these girls that were on the island?

Are they alive?

Like, are they, do you know what I mean?

Because like the island, you have no,

I believe at least, the purpose of the island is it's in international waters.

There's no government there.

So there's no laws.

That's the other thing that I've thought about.

It's like, let's say that you found out that

this person did whatever on the island.

Like, can they be prosecuted?

That happened in the middle of nowhere.

That's a good point.

I honestly don't know.

But yeah, where are the victims?

Virginia Goufre is the only one that everyone knew about.

And she,

you know.

Blair White just had one on the pod, but yeah, they seem to be very few and far in between.

They seem very hard to find.

What, what was the what happened in that conversation?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but she was just talking about all the things she went through, like getting like MK Ultra, honestly.

Really?

Yeah, some dark stuff.

And this girl was verified to have been like in these case files.

Like, it's there for sure, real.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Blair does her research, so I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yeah, for sure.

You know, it's interesting because I saw

there, so Sean Atwood had this girl on who said that she was the niece of Jeffrey Epstein, and I I watched some of that one.

Yeah.

And it's possible.

Like, I just, it was one of those ones where I'm watching.

I'm like, really, dude?

Like, because she's, you know, she's talking about satanic cults and Moloch and all that stuff.

And that's all very publicly known if you've kind of dug into this thing.

I didn't hear anything that was, that was new.

And I don't have any way of verifying whether or not she's related to the guy.

And at a certain point, like, this stuff is so monstrous that that's, I think that's why it's so hard for people to believe.

It's like, could that really be true?

Right.

You know, yeah, you never know what's a distraction to these days, right?

Yeah.

Where they're trying to put your attention towards.

Totally.

I feel like that's a common tactic.

They're going to have a hard time doing that away from the Epstein case, though.

Yeah.

It seems like people aren't forgetting this one.

Usually, with like a breaking news, like it goes away in 24 hours, but this one's not.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Forgetting.

Dude, I have a random question for you related to that.

Yeah.

So I've always wondered what people would do if out of nowhere they stopped even pretending to care what we think, you know, like if, because I always thought like during COVID, when the people would,

like when the people would kind of start to make noise, I, I was convinced by everyone's behavior during that period that like

they would have complied with almost anything.

Like if they just were like, yeah, we're just, you know, hammer down.

And so like on a thing like this, they're like,

bottom line, we're never going to talk about this case ever again.

No one's ever going to talk about it.

It's like, you know, people would make noise.

And I don't know.

I mean, I don't know.

I just don't know how much

I'm curious how much like the population's energy actually matters.

That's a good question.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I do.

I mean, with social media, it's got to be amplified these days, right?

Yeah.

Like, I feel like it's way harder to get away with stuff not with social media.

And that's the thing that changed everything was when Elon bought X and opened up what you could say on social media because That was the thing that was so frustrating prior to that was like,

you get banned for anything.

And that's exactly like to your point.

If they just decided, you know, whoever's kind of making the phone calls and they tell X, they're like, Hey, we're done with this topic.

And then they, you know, do whatever they do.

And anyone who says Epstein or Ghelane Maxwell, it gets deranked.

They're like, I don't know.

I'm not getting any views on these, or your views are completely fake, or whatever they're doing to make it just, they could just shut down any conversation.

But,

you know, I have a, I have a YouTube like partner manager.

Yeah.

And he's just like, yeah, I mean,

if, if one platform allows people to, one of the main ones allows people to talk about this, that, or the other, the other ones are forced into allowing it also.

That's true.

I feel like YouTube's gotten a lot leaner.

Me, I agree.

Same with Instagram.

And TikTok's a weird one.

I'm still.

I don't post there anymore just like because I they kicked me off the platform.

Yeah, I just got banned.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

I got reinstated and then I was like,

you know, they demonetized me and then kicked me off for

nothing.

Do Do you remember when Conor McGregor put that video up where it was like you could kind of tell that his, his girl was like giving him a head on the boat, but you can't like see anything?

Yeah.

I put that up and they banned me.

And I was like,

it's literally a video of the horizon off of his boat.

You just can barely see that there is like a head right there.

So I don't know.

I disputed it.

And that's the one time that they overturned one.

But I used to, I got community guidelines videos taken down so many times that I was like, okay, I'm done with this platform, man.

That was before his news got leaked, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you make it, do you?

Like, do do you make any money on TikTok?

Nah, I was making like a thousand a month, nothing crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't really care about it.

Yeah.

It was never like a money deal.

Yeah, I think YouTube and Instagram and Twitter, if you're in politics, like the most important ones.

Yeah, I don't, yeah.

I've, I just focus basically all of my energy on, on YouTube.

YouTube.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's where the money is.

I mean, yeah.

Shorts, I guess, are, are decent, but like the long forms where you're killing.

Yeah.

Did you post your debate with Destiny on your YouTube?

I posted part of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not the full part.

No, not the, like the whole thing, I it for me personally, like, I wish I could have and had people actually watch it, you know, because it was like, uh, but yeah, I mean, 90-minute videos, there's no one will click on it, no one will watch it, and it just hurts my,

you know, I put the part because at the end of that conversation, we got into the COVID stuff.

Yeah.

And I was like, oh, he doesn't know anything, you know, like he doesn't, he doesn't.

Is he provox?

But what he was, his, his whole point was he was like,

he's like, I'm just, the thing about how he frames things is he goes to the absolute most extreme version of what the right says, and then he poses, and then he, uh,

will just like propose that as if that's your opinion, which is very challenging with me because that's never my opinion.

You know what I mean?

And I ate him on that part because it was like,

anyway, yeah, because I just, so I just got into like what the states actually did.

He didn't know anything about it, you know, he didn't know that New York had fired all the healthcare workers.

Wow.

He didn't even know that.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And he was like googling it.

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You know, and I'm like, yeah, dude, like, are you going to defend that?

You know what I mean?

That's another thing.

When he's debating, he's looking stuff up, right?

Yeah.

I noticed that.

Yeah.

He's super smart, dude.

Yeah.

He's super smart.

He's just, you know, I can't tell if he

uses like X for rage bait or if he,

you know, I like,

I'm pretty good at like evaluating people and what what they're doing.

And my, my read on him is that I think that he puts that stuff, like that crazy stuff on X because he knows that people are going to respond to it, talk about him, and it'll make him trend.

Because you don't ever hear him say that shit in person.

It's like, hey, talk about the fucking flood victims with me in person, guy.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Say something about the dead babies in person with someone across you, even if it's not me.

Say it in front of a human.

He never does that.

So he said they couldn't swim or something.

I saw that.

He said a bunch of stuff about the flood victims.

That happens every couple of months with him.

Something just outrageous.

He'll tweet and then it'll be viral everywhere.

Yeah.

It's, I mean, he doesn't see any, he doesn't see any repercussions from it, you know, because like, it's not like

he, he's like kind of uncancelable in his space because, like we were just talking about, who's the guy who's going to replace him?

You have to have a smart left-wing person that's going to argue those positions to do these debates.

And it's like, who's going to replace him?

Yeah.

They struggle to have people do that, I guess, right?

I don't know what it is about the left, but they they just don't have good debaters.

They have some pretty tough positions to,

you know, to defend in a lot of cases.

The thing that's crazy, too, about now, though, is like

you have

a lot of alignment between the right and the left, and yet they're still arguing with each other.

Right.

You know, it's like a lot of alignment.

If you look at what.

I mean, I don't even, I never even touch on Palestine and Israel ever.

I'm not going to now either.

I just will comment on the fact that it seems like there's a lot of alignment on both sides and there is yeah people are still arguing all the time it seems like most of the division right now is on the right because of the epstein stuff honestly yeah

yeah i can't tell like i just

i think they're just i think everybody's just mad that they're not getting to see what's coming out but then since since that moment where where they said that you know oh this is all a big hoax and it blew up in their face completely they were like oh this is not going to work yeah

there have been now like stories coming.

It's like, oh, Ghelane Maxwell's testifying, and people are like, Oh, they're just trying to distract.

And it's like, Yeah, but like, she's talking, you know.

I don't know what they're going to do with that information, but I'll tell you this, dude.

If they pardon Ghelane Maxwell, that I'm out

straight up, dude.

Like, I'm out.

Because, like, we were just talking about in the um, you know, about what they did and how they ran that daisy trade in Florida.

She is a monster.

Yeah, she was taking like sophomores in high school and walking them into a room.

And her role was to make them feel comfortable so that the pedophile in the other room could

much more easily molest them without their pushback.

Crazy.

Pardon because, oh, because she has some information.

Like what I said on my channel, I was like, this is simple.

If you want her to talk, you don't offer her incentives.

You offer her a fucking stick.

It's like, you're going to tell us what you know.

We're going to put you in Super Max.

You think anybody's going to give a fuck about you?

If we put you in Super Max, what are they going to do?

Nothing.

No one will have your back.

No one will care.

So if you don't want that outcome, outcome then you need to talk yeah

commute her sentence pardon why

she's a monster would you commute jeffrey epstein would you pardon jeffrey epstein it's exactly the same thing who even knows what's been done to her too like she could have had her memories wiped like who knows what sort of technology they have these days you know if you get yeah i mean

i wish i knew like how the mk ultra stuff actually worked you know it seems like i mean a lot of yeah a lot of theories around it with celebrities and politicians being programmed yeah i mean you know that obviously, if you're a social media platform and you want to control the opinions of celebrities, that's easy because you control their feed.

Yeah.

You know, all if you, I mean, if you start showing people nothing but dead children in Palestine, what do you think their opinion is going to be?

Or if you start showing them nothing but black people getting constantly beat up by police, what do you think their opinion is?

Or if you start showing them nothing but black people beating up white people, what do you think their opinion is going to be?

So you can very easily affect anyone's opinion if you target them specifically right most people are on an algorithm where it's like it kind of gives you what they think that you want but if it's someone that you want and you're going to target them and these social media they know exactly who's looking that's such a good point because if you most feeds are promoting a lot of negativity right oh yeah whether it's violence or like conspiracy theories or whatever like it's just negative information it's what you it's what you interact with it's as simple as that it's like it's what do they interact with it so if someone went on and just as a test only interacted with videos of cats chasing birds that's all they're going to show it.

If you think about like what you're, you know, what you're most likely to respond to, at least for me, it's, I see something that makes me mad.

You know,

instantly, it's like, that's what I'm saying.

That's, that's exactly my point with the destiny thing.

It's like, if he says, uh, we need to check, I remember the one that he, that he's, where he's like, uh, he said the thing about, he's like, did anyone check whether any of those girls that died in the flood were pregnant?

Because we need to get the, we need to get the death count right.

And I immediately went on my channel and did a video where I was like, hey, this guy fantasizes about children in case you guys forgot about that.

It's just like,

tit for tat, dude.

You want to talk about dead kids?

I'll talk about the kids that you talked about.

You know what I mean?

That was nuts.

I just finished Gavin Newsom's episode with Stephen Bartlett.

Did you see that one?

No.

Diary of a CEO.

That's a good podcast.

But yeah, Newsom's looks like he's going to make a run in 28.

He's probably going to win.

You think he'll win?

I mean, I hope not.

I hope not.

But he is the only one.

He's he's the only politician that I've seen that

he

understands the new game.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, it's not complicated.

Honestly, if you looked at how Kamala Harris ran her, her, her campaign and you're like, Jennifer Lopez on a stage, oh, you know, oh, Beyonce cares, do you not understand the world that you live in now?

Social media killed that.

You guys, that doesn't work anymore.

You need people to actually like you.

You know, if you're funny and you can share good ideas people will feel like oh okay maybe i can trust that guy the like faceless you know big balloon head celebrity thing that doesn't work anymore gavin recognizes that and now he's on he's on x doing memes of trump and epstein like you know ai videos that are making fun of it it's like you never saw politicians do that before he's going on sean ryan he's going on all these Rogan's smart enough to know what he's doing and Rogan doesn't want him to get elected.

He's like, fuck you.

You're not coming on my show.

You know what I mean?

At least thus far, I would expect him to not give him a platform because he knows exactly what he is you know yeah he turned out netanyahu i saw that so i wouldn't be surprised if he turned out newsome too i saw netanyahu's son say something about that uh he's like oh well you know if he had him on all the anti-semitic uh information that rogan has shared on his show would now be wasted i'm like

That's the, yeah.

Rogan's like the most neutral host of all time.

That's what I'm saying.

Like he has on Bernie Sanders and then they'll have on like Donald Trump.

Trump, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

How are you going to attack him for that?

Well, they attack him because

he platform.

I mean, that's the big thing with the left is like, you're going to give that guy a platform.

That's like they would always, you know, they would call into these concerts where there's going to be conservatives putting on something.

They're like, we need to shut it down.

Or like at the colleges, we got to shut that down.

It's like, don't give them a platform.

And,

you know, the problem is that.

the neutral podcasters are like, okay, but that person's not an extremist.

I'm going to have a conversation with him.

And, you know, you can't like, you can't pretend that a person is an extremist if they're not, you know, for most people.

Most people are like, yeah, no, I've watched him.

He's definitely not that.

Yeah.

You know, yeah, I'm not a fan of the anti-Semitic label because I see the host they attach that to, and most of them aren't actually that, in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree.

They're talking, I mean, they're talking about a nation state.

I don't talk about Israel because I don't want issues with monetization.

Yeah.

Not even that.

Just they got a lot of power men, you know, and I got that.

I already, you know, I already know, like,

that's why I stay in politics in Austin.

It's pretty blue there, right?

So

the majority of like the podcasters that are kind of in our niche are, I think, kind of like me, which is, I consider myself independent.

Like, there's, you know, I voted for Obama twice, and then I ended up basically, you know, building my entire, like my, everything I was talking about politically going into 2024 was all Trump.

Like, cause it was just like,

I don't know, if you, if you were a free thinking, independent person and COVID did not turn you absolutely like, I wouldn't vote for these people if I was related to them.

You know, if they were in my family, I would have voted against

them.

I mean, her own family did, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, well, I know Tim Waltz is.

Tim Waltz.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But

they just are going to, I think that there's a world where in 10 years, a lot of people, you know, are like, I think that there's going to be like a reset politically.

I think that

I think Trump basically broke the entire system yeah which is probably a very very good thing you know i'm really curious to see what uh what bongino was referencing though the other day with that tweet that was super cryptic right yeah i've seen what was i lie like i've seen so much stuff that's i'll never be the same yeah it's changed me forever i wonder if that's related to epstein or if that's just something else dude it could be what uh what candace is covering like you know you know candace is doing pizzagate that's what she's doing really like with the project macron thing that's where she's talking to pizzagate that's where she's going wow elite elite pedophile rings that run the world.

That's what Pizzagate is.

Yeah, she just got served a lawsuit from Macrone, right?

Dumbest thing they could have ever done.

International lawsuit.

Absolutely.

Dumbest thing they could have possibly done because it puts eyes on her.

And

if you watch her, it's exactly the same thing.

It's like, they're like, oh, yeah, she's talking all this crazy nonsense.

You watch once, you're like, oh, damn, this is, this is the opposite of crazy.

I don't know why anybody fucks around with Candace, dude.

She'll eat him, dude.

She doesn't back down.

She'll eat him.

Yeah.

Suing Candace.

Like,

did you see?

Like, I watched her last night and she was talking about it.

And you could just tell, like, her, she had a smile.

Like, she is so excited that they sued her.

She absolutely loves it.

She loves it.

It's crazy that story got Trump involved, too.

Yeah.

Trump gave her a call.

Dude, how bananas is that?

I was telling my mom about that last night.

It's like

Macrone is in there.

I think it was a Ukraine peace deal.

And he's like, well, we're not going to do this unless you get Candace Owens to stop talking about Brigitte.

It's like,

it's like

cartoon world, dude.

The power of alternative media, media, man.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Podcasts have that poll now.

Yep.

Yeah.

Do you think we're living in a simulation?

I do, actually.

Well, I mean, who knows, dude?

Everything feels so scripted, right?

Yeah.

It's not, well, not, not necessarily scripted.

I think that,

have you ever, have you ever used VR headsets?

Yeah, I've used Oculus.

Okay.

So the first time that I, that I put on a VR headset is when I started very seriously considering simulation theory, just because it's like,

if you can have all of your senses fully immersed right now by putting some device, so you're essentially just putting a television over your head.

And you think about where things are going currently, where you got Neuralink.

You already know they're trying to put the computer inside of your brain.

You have super intelligence over here.

You have AI that's going to basically be able to build anything digital at a speed that is unfathomable to us now.

You know, you have thousands of people working on these systems, and it takes them years to build them.

They'll be able to build it in like six minutes, you know, very, like, not even in that near or that distant future.

And a lot of people are terrified about where AI is going to go and whether or not the AI is going to turn on us and kill us.

My opinion, honestly, is I think that's humans projecting humanity onto the AI because humans are like, well, what if they hurt us and then we go bomb them?

Like, it seems psychopathic when you really think about it.

So if AI is not that, and AI does work symbiotically with

humanity,

What I believe about where VR comes into this is like, the thing about virtual reality is that you know you're inside the virtual reality.

And it's like at a certain point, we're going to be like, well, what if, what if you could be in there and you didn't know?

You know, because the next thing to solve for is like the touch, right?

Now you have sound and vision.

Then they'll solve for touch.

And then it's going to be like, well, what if you could not realize you're in a simulation or a virtual reality thing?

And then also,

life is very short.

80, 80, I think the average lifespan is like 75 years for men in the United States.

That's crazy short.

Well, what if you could also condense time so you can go into a simulation where you can experience 80 years in what is actually an hour?

Whoa.

And

at that point,

you don't need to

3D print new organs for people.

You don't need to maintain people's organs forever.

You just need to have them just hook them up and you can live forever.

That'd be nuts.

Live forever, you know?

And my theory on that also has to do with like,

so you know, the near-death experience thing?

Yeah.

Where people all, not all, but many people report a tunnel and then their loved ones, a younger version of their young ones, and they're like, hey, it's not your time.

So my hypothesis on what that could be is a program to ease you out of the experience that you've been in for 75 to 80 years, because imagine how jarring it would be if you just lived 80 years and on the other side, you're this other person, you know, and you come out and it's just like, you know, like a way that they ease you out, but then those people end up back alive.

So they don't go through the entire process.

If I, I mean, who knows about what the nature of reality is, but if I had to bet on it, that's kind of where my brain goes.

Because think it, like, think about like.

VR, AI, and all of that in a thousand years.

You think they won't be able to do that?

Can't even comprehend that.

Exactly.

It's advancing so fast.

I don't even think it'll take a thousand.

Oh, I don't either.

I was just saying in a thousand, it's like, of course, we'll be able to do all that stuff.

Yeah.

You know, would you ever get a Neuralink?

Oof.

It depends.

I'll let someone else get it first.

Yeah, facts.

You know, I'll let someone else get it first and then tell me, someone I trust and then be like, okay, what's it like?

And if they're like, oh my God, it's.

Well, the guy that's paralyzed that has it seems like he's loving it.

Have you seen that?

No, tell me about it.

So there are people who have him in and I haven't actually looked at it.

Tell me about that.

So so one guy's in a wheelchair but he has it and he can use his thoughts to play chess play like video games it's nuts dude

man that is wild yeah it's crazy like he can't move his arms but he can use his thoughts to like actually play games and everything there's videos of him playing chess i believe see that's exactly what i'm talking about you you you combine those technologies in a not so distant future maybe you put them in a simulation they don't realize it and then there was a movie about condensing time like that that I watched.

It was like this, it was kind of like a low-budget science fiction movie, but it was

where

if so that you can be put in prison and not actually lose your life, right?

So it's like you get a 10-year sentence and they would drop this stuff in your eye and they would do 10 years in prison when actually what was like 30 seconds.

So it was like the punishment.

And inside of the experience, they were just in this box that had a clock and they just sat there in this box looking and just waiting for

10 minutes.

And also,

have you seen the Black Mirror episode, White Christmas?

Which one was that?

It's the one where they're inside a simulation and the guy is

he's trying to extract information from this guy of where he buried these bodies or whatever, but like he's telling his story and they create a digital clone of a person's brain and they put them inside of this device.

And the device is

supposed to like make everything much easier for the real person.

So the real person has no idea that there is another clone version of themselves inside of this thing being forced into slavery and they have to like, you know, like work all these gears to like set up their appointments and do all of this stuff.

But the way that he gets the clone mind to do it is he can just press this button and make them experience an astronomical amount of time by themselves in that room.

So they're like, are you sure you're not going to do it?

They're like, no, all right, let's see how you feel about it in three weeks.

And then so the person just sits there in this white room for three weeks.

And then when he comes back, then he makes it six months.

And then it's like, boom.

And and then he gives them a thousand years.

And they've just, you know, they just lose their mind.

It's like crazy, right?

Yeah.

Holy crap.

That's trippy, bro.

Yeah.

So if you believe in simulation theory, would that rule out believing in aliens for you?

No, not at all.

I,

the alien thing, I just have no idea.

I, I, uh,

the, the,

the cases that are credible to me are so credible that I don't know what to do.

God, I don't know what they are.

You know, do you know about the Phoenix lights?

No.

So in March of 1997,

it was, I believe there was a comet that was going over Phoenix that night.

And so everybody was outside looking up at the stars.

And starting like as soon as it was kind of like dark or whatever, they're over the, over the Scottsdale and Phoenix basin, this craft that was a mile wide, according to everybody.

They're like, you can't, you can't fathom how big this thing was.

It was like a triangle, flew over it, dead silent, The biggest thing they've ever seen.

It was flying super slow, like too slow to be propelled by, you know, fuel or anything.

Every single person, there was 10,000 witnesses.

Every single one of them without fail said, it's impossible that humans built this thing, including Fife Symington, who was the governor and was also in the Air Force.

And so, and he's like, he's like, humans didn't build this, whatever this thing was.

It's like the most credible, you know, 10,000, Snow Joe.

10,000.

Because I get skeptical when it's like one or two people.

Exactly.

10,000 is nuts.

Yep.

And the military ones are also

good

if it doesn't seem to be an obvious psyop, you know?

So there's one in the Rendlesham Forest that happened in the 80s, and it was at one of our nuclear weapon sites.

And there's so many reports of UFO interaction with our nuclear weapon sites.

I heard that.

And this one in particular happened over multiple nights where they had UFOs hovering over, like over the, uh,

I guess, what, what do you like where they have all the ICBMs?

And then there was something in the forest and these guys, these guys went out there kind of to see what was going on.

And there was multiple nights, multiple experiences, super credible guys.

One of them was a colonel responsible for guarding our nuclear weapons.

Like, who's more credible than that?

And I've seen him talk about it.

I've seen the other guys talk about it.

And there were three guys who came up on a craft that was on the floor or on the ground, like hovering above the ground and they they walked around it for 45 minutes they wrote down these like symbols that were on it and then after 45 minutes they said that it just went and then and like

the guy it's hard for the guy to even talk about it it wigged him out so much

but uh that one i believe and then the travis walton story is the one you see the movie fire in the sky you know what that is heard of it i think it's the one abduction story that i believe you know that i just i think i heard of this yeah yeah because the abductions one is hard for me i don't i mean it could totally be true, but to your point, one person

telling you that they got it.

It's always hard that it's like, okay, well, this person could be crazy or trying to get attention or whatever.

But the Travis Walton story, there were seven lumberjacks also in Arizona.

Yeah.

And

they were leaving their, their work site for the night and they drive by and they saw this gigantic flying saucer that was down in the forest.

And this dude, Travis Walton, who's crazy, he's 23 years old or something, jumps out of the car, starts sprinting towards this flying saucer.

All of his people are like, get back in the car.

And they said that, like, there was like a flash of light and he went flying across the forest like 100 yards.

They said he's dead for sure.

And they took off.

Then they spazzed out and kind of all came back.

All of them have passed 100 lie detectors on this.

They come back and he's gone.

So he shows back up in the town like four or five days later.

And what he said had happened was he woke up and he was on, on board this craft.

And they were like, he said there were like creatures that were like working on him.

He was on Rogan.

I watched him tell this entire story on Rogan.

And I'm like, all these guys pass lie detector tests.

He seems to be telling the truth.

It's,

I don't know, that's the one, that's the one abduction story.

And if that one's true, the reason they would have taken him on board is they fixed him.

Like they would have accidentally hurt him and then taken him on board, fixed him and then dropped him back off.

So like, I don't know what that would indicate.

Maybe they're from the future and they're not allowed to interact with us so they don't, you know, mess up the timelines or who knows?

I have no idea what they are, but I do believe some of those are real.

And I don't even know what to make of what it actually is.

Seven people passing lie detector tests?

Like a bunch of lie detector tests over decades.

This happened.

I mean, he's like, when he was on Rogan, he's like 70 or something.

It happened when he's 23.

They've lie detected these guys a million times.

They've always passed.

I don't see a reason for seven random lumberjacks to lie about it.

Certainly not for this long yeah

yeah yeah damn that's crazy you should look that one up look up the travis walton uh rogan and watch it and it's like it's wild dude i need to see that one for sure yeah i always wondered if they're from the just us from the future or if they're from different planets yeah who knows yeah because they and the other thing that that they seem to report consistently is that they can feel that the they're communicating with them with their minds like right yeah and uh and that's what he he reported that as well that he said that he could feel feel them trying to calm him down because he freaked out and he like jumped off.

And I don't know.

I'll let you watch the whole thing.

But

that would make sense, though.

I mean, they have these tiny little mouths, these huge eyes, because if they communicate

telepathically, why would they need mouths?

And if they have a small mouth, that sounds like evolution hasn't taken the mouth all the way.

Very likely could have been us in the future.

Who knows?

That's nuts.

Let's end off with some UFC MMA stuff.

Let's do it.

One of my guests, Colby Covington.

Yeah.

Is it true he wanted to see you at one one point?

I don't think so.

Okay.

I am totally unaware of that, if that's true.

Did you piss him off or something?

No, I said that I did videos because I didn't believe that him and Master Dolph's beef was real.

Yeah.

You know, and yeah, he definitely doesn't want to sue me now because like Chill, Chill Senate is my boy.

And

after Colby's last fight, I sent a message to Colby like, because like Chill was cornering him.

Yeah.

So like me and Colby are definitely cool now.

I don't even know if we weren't cool ever, but we're definitely cool now.

But yeah,

I just didn't didn't buy it, dude.

They were, they're, they're best friends, like inseparable, closest friends in the world.

And when that beef started, they were, it was right when Colby started doing the act, you know?

Yeah.

And I, you know, I compiled all these clips where I'm like, look, dude, he was trying to do the act and they kept on asking him about, they're like, you just talked all this shit about Mossaw.

Isn't he your best friend?

And he's like, yeah, he's my best friend, but I could, I could say what I want.

And I just, I was like, I guarantee you, after that interview, they went to each other.

He's like, this is not going to work.

Like, I can't be this guy and also have this like super close best friend.

He's like, we got to do a beef.

And,

but who knows?

I mean, like, when they ended up fighting, I went to that.

I went to that fight,

still 100% convinced that they were still best friends.

And

I don't know.

It was just like.

Even after the restaurant fight they got in.

So that, this was before that.

Oh, this was before that.

This was right before that.

The restaurant fight, I have theories on that I can't talk about.

But I'm still, I'm still 50.

As soon as Colby retires, I'm going to start asking people questions, dude.

Because I know they won't tell me while he's still active, but

I'm still not convinced.

Most of the beefs are fake, if we're being honest.

That one would be the most masterfully executed fake beef ever, if it's fake.

But there's like a, you know, there's like a court case and everything with the, with him punching it.

I don't think it's real, though.

It has to be real.

There's legals involved.

Yeah.

Now, that's what I was saying.

Like, is once he punched him, I still didn't believe it.

I was like, this is some kind of, but I think at this point, like, there was a you know, he took a charge, and I'm sure it's real.

I've had them both on, like, separately, and I didn't ask them about it because I didn't know.

They would have told you that it's

bringing legal stuff in the episodes.

Oh, it was after, it was after that, yeah, it was recently a few months ago.

I don't know if they settled yet or something.

Yeah, I can't remember.

I don't know if they, I don't know what happened financially, but I know I think George's got led down to like a misdemeanor or something.

Yeah, I'm not 100% sure, but uh,

yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I've heard colby is like super nice off camera the nicest guy everybody says that the nicest yeah yeah

it's one of those things as a fighter you got to brand yourself so i get it from a business point of view yeah the only real beef i i remember is jones and cormier oh they hate each other for sure they still do yeah that is a uh but that honestly that is a uh i'm convinced that is like

two guys who only know how to be champions in the division at the same time, it's they're going to, they're they're going to have problems.

They're in different gyms.

If those two guys were different weight classes in the same gym,

they'd be best friends.

Do you think so?

I really do.

I think that that would probably be for John Jones' life too, because Cormier would be a good influence on his decision making.

You excited about these White House fights they're talking about?

Yeah, I would love if

they would actually put John Jones in that fight.

I completely understand Dana's position, though.

The White House event, they can't have any problems.

They can't have anybody kind of wash out.

And if you think about how many times that's happened with Jones, Jones is the greatest fighter of all time.

He ran through everybody at light heavyweight, you know, at heavy.

I mean,

I still am confused why he retired all of a sudden.

I think it was probably because of that case that happened right afterwards.

But I said at the time, I'm like, I bet you he'll still come back.

But

it's hard to risk,

even though him versus Aspinall is obviously the biggest fight you could possibly put on.

And with the U.S.

government paying for it, you could pay them whatever.

You know what I mean?

They literally could pay them whatever.

You don't have to worry about the pay-per-view sales.

The government's going to pay for it.

They can make a deal that lets them

put on whatever show you want.

But the one thing you can't risk is the main event doesn't happen, you know, and you have to get like a...

a backup or whatever.

But I hope that they do if they let John Jones fight, obviously.

It's so weird that you have Tom Astrinoll fighting Cyril Gawne for the heavyweight title where you're like, really?

Like, that's, that's the best they got after John Jones.

Easy win for him, right?

Ospinall.

If he wrestles, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They just, they showed Cyril Gone getting ragdolled by Imamov the other day, who's an 85er.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's going to be an easy fight for him.

I think so.

You've been watching Power Slop too or no?

I noticed a lot of the true fighters don't like Power Slop.

I just, I mean,

The thing is, when you actually watch it, it's not as bad as if you just, because like when when you when you just watch the highlights, because they always put the people just getting stretched on there.

And I was like, man, I don't like that, dude.

Even when I'm watching a UFC fight, obviously when someone gets flatlined like that, you go crazy.

But at the same time, you're like, at least if you know anything about fighting, you're like concerned for them, you know, where it's like, you go nuts and then you look, especially if you go, do you go to shows live a lot?

I go to UFC.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, you know, like the, the part they don't show you on television is how fucked up the guy is after the fight.

Like guys that get finished are so fucked up and they never show that on television.

And

yeah, so I don't know when I see guys, you know, do especially that, like that one where their body folds in half and then they fall just like, you know, or their arms are out.

I'm like, gosh.

And they're

because the nature of it that they, they're not defending themselves.

But again, when you actually watch power stuff, they don't get, they don't always.

get knockouts.

So it makes it not quite as bad as I originally thought, but I just, I don't watch it personally.

What about bare knuckle like what's your favorite thing to watch right now i guess oh ufc for sure ufc still always because there's a lot of talk how they're losing their superstars right now it's a new era i i feel like uh i feel like the ufc doesn't want superstars anymore not like connor level the jones level the nate level because

once these guys are that big and they're that rich it's impossible to get them to fight true you know what i mean it's because like The motivation where people are always taking fights is they need the money.

And even if even if you're paying guys a million dollars a fight, million dollars, pay your team, pay your taxes, all of that stuff.

That's not like put your feet up money.

Start paying guys eight, nine, 10, 12 million dollars every fight, dude, and they fight twice in a year.

Guy makes $18 million that year, and then they do that for two years, and you call them, you're like, hey, they're like, I don't know, man.

You know, I don't know.

And Connor, way more money.

He spends.

much more money, but also what, I mean, you haven't seen him since years, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's an interesting take.

Or

last time he fought was 21.

21.

Yeah, he fought in January and July of 21.

Yeah.

Is that when he broke his leg or was that?

Yeah.

That's a tough injury.

He's 37, dude.

Holy shit.

Isn't that nuts?

Like, he's his 37th birthday.

And I'm like, man, he said, I, I, I'm sure that he has business interests that are fine for him, you know, where he'll be fine either way.

But

yeah, for fight fans, it's unfortunate.

He's good.

Yeah.

He sold his liquor company, I believe, for figures.

100 and I think I heard that he made personally like 183.

If it's a a pretty exact number.

I think they sold it for 400 and his end was 183.

You could spend that money, though, dude.

That's like 183 million.

If you,

I mean, at least what it appears like he spends, you know, how he spends money.

I mean, you can spend that money for sure.

But I think he's got other money coming in.

This whole thing with the,

with that Nikita hand case, though, that crushed him.

All of his sponsors pulled, you know,

because proper 12, I mean, I don't know the exact figures, but they were for sure still paying him seven figures a month minimum pulled.

Damn.

All of his sponsors.

All from that nude that got leaked?

No, no, no, no.

For the

case, in Ireland.

Oh, wow.

Which I don't believe for the record.

I don't think it's, I don't think that he did it.

The

basically in any case where there's footage that would either confirm or deny the two conflicting stories, if one side wants to play the footage and the other side is filing injunctions to block it, the person who's filing the injunctions is lying.

And that's exactly what what she's doing.

It's like,

in

so, in her story, in her story, this, this, this thing that Connor did was brutal, like really gnarly and brutal.

And she has injuries, which is why everybody, you know, initially believed it.

But then you're like, okay, well, what did she do after that?

And I mean, for everyone, she stayed at this hotel.

Connor left.

This is all on camera.

Connor left the hotel.

She stayed there for another six or six hours partying with Connor's friend and supposedly went up and had sex with Connor's friend also.

The entire time that she's there, she's coked out of her mind and she's texting her guy at the time, sending these paragraphs of just lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.

And you're like, what credibility does she have?

And then when Connor wanted to show the security footage of her afterwards at the place hanging on guys, kissing on their neck for hours and hours and hours, they wouldn't allow him to play it.

Wow.

And they, and then they filed an injunction where he couldn't play it publicly.

And I'm like, dude, she's fucking lying, dude.

So nuts.

Who would, who, you know, it's like circumstantial, but human behavior, certain things are like, that's not circumstantial.

No one would do that.

If this guy beats you up and you, there is no fucking way that you're all, well, what am I going to do next?

You're all, I'm going to just stay here and party.

He left and you're just going to stay there and party for six hours, like, and be hanging all over and dancing.

Come on, dude.

Yeah.

It's just nuts how they weaponize this against men, right?

Russell Brand from 25 years ago is that one I don't, I definitely don't believe.

25 years ago.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, if people, if a guy does that, you should bury him under the jail.

But

yeah, I mean, Connor wanted to run for president of Ireland, dude.

You know, like, that's, I'm sure nobody over there wants him to be president.

And also, because she had the injuries, and I have no idea where she got the injuries.

That's the only, that's the only part that I can't kind of reconcile.

But

the injuries that could have come from somewhere else.

The behavior, give me a break, dude.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, the Russell Russell brand one is gnarly, especially if you know, like the origin of that was a group of, you know, leftist journalists reading his book and then starting to call all these girls

from inside the book and then cultivating this story, you know, where they, and I can't remember exactly how it went, but they like, they like tricked these girls.

Like they told this, like, oh, did he ever choke you?

You know, did he ever do whatever?

Like just kind of that kind of stuff.

And they're like, well, you know, that all these other girls are saying that he choked them and it was against their will, whatever.

Got one to say that, you know, say this because she thought that there was a bunch of people saying it.

And then they go back to the other ones and no, we got this one saying this.

And it was like, that's nuts.

And do you really, I mean, do you believe Russell Brand would do that?

I don't think so, man.

I've met him.

So I might be biased, but it's just fish to me how it's so long ago.

And like, would that have happened if he wasn't successful?

And talking about the things he's talking about.

You know what I mean?

So I'm saying, dude, certain topics I don't talk about.

You know, I don't talk about him.

Common theme with all these people that get hit with this grape charge.

It's like Andrew Tate, Russell Brand, Connor.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

Well, luckily, I've been married for 17 years.

They're going to have to go way back if they want to try to find somebody to pretend that I did that.

They did it with Russell, though, man.

You got to.

You might as well text your exes now.

Well, luckily, I've never done that.

So, you know, they would have to, they would just have to completely fabricate it

out of left field.

But, you know.

Yeah.

These days, you better say than sorry, man.

Yeah.

Jeez.

I'm on good terms with everybody, dude.

I've never had, like, there there are no girls that I've had that I'm on bad terms with, you know?

Yeah.

Well, the Tate one was crazy because they exposed one of them, got paid 100 grand.

Do you see that?

No.

Oh, I read the head.

Tell me about it.

Yeah.

So she got paid 100 grand to like make these allegations about him, basically.

And they tracked the money and like found evidence of it.

Crazy, right?

And they put him in Romanian prison.

Yeah.

That's no joke.

These guys don't play, man.

That's what I'm saying.

That's why there are certain things I'm like, look, I'm all for

say what you think, but there are certain things it's like, dude,

why put your family involved?

You know, exactly.

I'm the same way for sure.

Yeah.

Well, Jesse, it's been cool, man.

Can't wait to do more with you in the future.

Where can people find you?

Jesse on Fire on YouTube and then on X and Instagram.

Real Jesse on Fire is my handle.

TikTok, I'm there, but I don't post that very good.

I can't do a lot of next to come out, man.

Thanks, man.

Pleasure.