Destiny vs Myron Gaines: EXPLOSIVE Debate on Israel-Palestine | DSH #1447

Like, regardless of what you feel, Trump is politically fucking retarded.

Like, he picks way too many fights.

He can't focus on anything.

He doesn't know how to get like PR wins.

The big issue that I have to say is when the left, like, fights against him, like, ICE is important.

Like, a border is important.

Having, like, an actual immigration policy where you know who's in the country, like, these are important things.

And because of episode, progressive.

Like, Ayala is an immigrant.

Like, we're still fucking unhinged.

Like, I see where people are coming from.

Okay, guys, we are live.

We are at Student Action Summit.

We got Destiny and Myron here today.

Have a little friendly conversation.

Hey, man good to see you bro hey good to see you

glad to reunite you guys i know you guys i think i'm probably the only conservative that destiny doesn't hate yeah is that true that i don't hate yeah um i hate a lot of people it's hard to say it's hard to keep track of them all these days so you know you'll see after the debate today if he hates you or not israel this is like what like our fifth or sixth time now so no man we've always been cordial let's do israel palestine let's start off with uh positions and then we'll go from there Okay, you want to give your position first or yeah, what can we be a little bit more specific?

I guess the recent like your position on, I guess, Israel-Palestine in general or should we talk about the recent events or just overall um yeah i mean i guess i could start with my like overall position and then we can go into specificities i guess with maybe the last conflict that went happened i mean there's like big parts of you've got the recent war whether it's a genocide you've got is israel do they have a right to exist as like a nation of jewish people you've got U.S.

and Israel entanglement.

Like, where do you want to?

Okay, I guess I'll kind of come from the position.

I think we should stop all aid to Israel from the United States.

My position is I don't think we should be giving them aid.

And there's a multitude of reasons for that, but that's my position in general is we should not be giving any more foreign aid to Israel.

Okay, my position would be: I think that the Middle East region is still probably an important region to have influence over.

Okay.

It's for purposes of like oil shipment and oil refining and also for trade to the Suez Canal.

So I feel like having a lot of influence in that region is important.

And if we leave, then we're kind of just giving it up to somebody else.

Okay.

Good points.

I would say with the Suez Canal, we kind of already have that under control because we've basically bribed Egypt by, you know, know, giving them a lot of aid,

you know, to play nice with Israel.

And then as far as, you know, maintaining security in the region, we're cool with pretty much everybody else, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the countries that have some real influence, especially Saudi Arabia.

So I would say, you know, I think Israel's hurt us quite a bit in the region versus assist us.

I know, you know, people say, oh, well, they're our greatest ally or whatever.

I think we, they don't, it doesn't have to be Israel.

I think there's other Middle Eastern countries that we can work with that wouldn't create as much of a tumultuous situation that we have in the Middle East.

Can I have a pen and paper, too, if that's cool?

Yeah.

Yeah, I just, I don't see who would, like, you mentioned that we're cool with like Saudi Arabia and other countries in Egypt as well.

I think a lot of that is a function of probably Israel's strength.

For better or for worse, over the past six months, they have managed to fuck up basically every other regional opponent.

And I think that even though publicly they have to pay lip service to, you know, chastising Israel over the Palestinian issue, Saudi Arabia and everybody else is happy to watch Iran basically get its shit pushed in.

The people in Lebanon aren't big fans of Hezbollah.

They're happy to watch their shit get pushed in.

Yemen is perpetually fucked, so no one anywhere cares about what's going on there.

So I feel like even though right now, obviously we made nice with Egypt and Israel so that they would make nice with each other, if we were to extricate from there and then pull all of our support out, I just see like the possibility of like a Russia or a China coming in and then playing nice with them.

And then obviously the incentives change dramatically.

And I would be worried about losing that influence there.

Okay.

I see your position.

I think going back to you said that Israel being a powerhouse there, I don't think they are as much as you think.

It's either we destabilize other countries or we bribe them, right?

So like with Jordan and Egypt, we pay them quite a bit of money to play nice with Israel,

right?

Because that saves us money in the long run, because at least the two countries on their border on the south and on the west, you know, we don't have to worry about them like invading and attacking them.

Obviously, we've got the problems in the north with Lebanon.

But I do think a big part of the reason why we have these alliances is really more for us to, you know, pay these people off so they don't attack Israel.

Whereas like if Israel wasn't there, we wouldn't have to, you know, be bribing these guys to give them money so they don't attack Israel.

So, it's either we destabilize and destroy them, or we bribe them with money, like we did with Jordan.

I mean, to be fair, though, we call them bribes.

That came after Israel won basically four wars against all of these countries.

With our aid.

Not until 73.

Like, Israel won 48 basically on their own.

The Suez Crisis in 56, they won on their own.

In 66,

they kind of lost the Suez Canal Crisis, though.

They kind of got ran out.

They, no, absolutely not.

The Suez Canal Crisis?

Absolutely.

The U.S.

told them you got to leave.

Exactly.

They got rid of them.

They got ran out.

The U.S.

told them to fuck off.

Yeah,

it's not because Egypt beat him.

Nasser and Egypt would try to claim later on that they did, but it's because the U.S.

told them, like, hey, you guys are.

But you're saying that they had the military might, they beat everybody around them.

Well, they hit France, and they had the U.K.

with them as well.

And they, you know,

they were getting $3 billion yearly drops like they get now from the United States.

Well, yeah, but that's the thing.

But also, like all the Arab states were getting helped by the Soviet Union and everything, too.

Like they were constantly resupplying these guys because they had an interest there.

Well, so with the Suez Canal crisis, right?

Like we obviously this was a better time time because back then we didn't really have a side as much, right?

Eisenhower told them, get the hell out of there or else there's going to be some serious problems.

They got out of there.

And I would say the Suez Canal crisis created the nuclear arms race because after Israel had that embarrassing situation, they went ahead and got the nuclear bomb.

They have it illegally, which I find kind of hilarious that they try to tell Iran that they can't have nukes when they have an illegal nuclear program.

Yeah, but I mean, if you ask anybody in the world, who would you rather have nukes, Israel or Iran?

Like even Persians, even the Iranian people are going to be, yeah, probably better with Israel.

Well, here's the thing.

I mean, we also said that, oh, you know, North Korea can't have nuclear weapons, but what ended up happening?

You know, Trump met with him, they shook hands, he went into North Korea.

You know, nuclear weapons are deterrent, and I think they create quite a bit of peace.

And the only issue is, North Korea doesn't really do like the proxy terrorism like Iran does, like Hezbollah with the Houthis, with Hamas.

And I think North Korea is kept on a short leash because China's right there.

And China doesn't want to see North Korea fuck around because it's going to reflect Poland on them.

Iran doesn't really have the same, I think, had a leash on them.

Sure.

But my position is that nuclear weapons deter people.

And my thing is,

here's my thing.

I think every country should be able to exercise sovereignty and the ability to, you know, protect themselves.

If Israel is going to run an illegal nuclear program,

then Iran, you know, as one of their adversaries, I don't, I see why they're doing what they're doing.

And I will say that, you know, our assistance of Israel has actually made the nuclear problem worse, right?

We had the nuclear Iran, the nuclear deal, which I think was, you know, something that the Obama administration actually did well.

And we pulled out of it.

And that created a lot of problems for us.

And I definitely agree with that.

Trump did pull out of it.

It was really bad.

It was look, you know, me, I like Trump, but I will criticize him when he makes mistakes, and that was a fatal flaw.

And I think that's kind of led to the bad foreign policy that we have now.

I think it's one of the biggest mistakes he made foreign policy-wise, and you know, that was the Israel lobby, right?

Yeah, I mean, I feel like at the end of the day, I mean, I think we backed the right horse.

I mean, Saddam Hussein is out.

I mean, Iraq is like chugging along, Assad is out, Syria is heading in a direction that's probably going to be markedly more pro-West and more anti-Russia.

The only player left is really Iran.

Somehow, Israel, through the fucking gift of God or whatever, has killed like every single adversarial adversarial military leader and everything else over the past first six months.

Which causes us problems as well.

I mean, in the Seven III war that you mentioned before, how they won that one, like they won that one by blackmailing us with bombing the Arab world with a nuclear bomb.

Yeah, they golden basically.

Yeah, the third temple has fallen, I think, from Dosh.

Yeah, yeah.

No, you're not.

But I'm just saying that,

like, at the end of the day, like, Saudi Arabia, all the Gulf, most of the Gulf states are happy to have Israel as a friend versus Iran, who's going to be competing with them, blowing shit up constantly.

Like, they don't like those people very much.

You know, you got like, like, everybody would just prefer to see a strong Israel in the region versus a strong Iran in the region, who's like, causes trouble for everybody, you know?

Yeah.

So when it comes to Saudi Arabia, I actually agree with you on that.

I've said this forever that, like, the Gulf states are cucks for Israel.

They just secretly do things behind the scenes.

They just don't do it publicly.

Yeah, because obviously they would be looked at poorly.

But I also do think that a big reason why these Gulf states play so nicely is because the United States backs Israel.

So in other words, Israel wouldn't be doing the things that they do and have the reckless foreign policy that they do, assassinating scientists and doing all the things they do all across the Middle East if it wasn't for us backing them.

And I think by us backing them, it's created us quite a bit of problems here where, you know, look, I'm critical of Islam too.

I know that you're extremely critical of Islam.

I grew up Muslim and I even say all the time that Islam isn't compatible with the first world country of America.

I don't believe that.

I don't think I'm not compatible with America.

I'm more critical with Islam than I am of Christianity or any other religion.

You're critical of all, but I know that like Islam, you talked about, well, I don't know if it was you, but I know other people have said that it's not compatible with the first world democracy.

Okay, no problem with me because I downplay, I don't think religion has much to do with like the Middle Eastern stuff for the past like 50 years so a lot of people don't like that take it does it does play a lot into it but the point I'm trying to make is is that you know I don't think they hate us because we're Americans is what I'm trying to get at here Iran well the Middle East in general the entire Middle East oh no they got plenty of good reasons to not like us yeah but yeah it's it's because of our a lot of our interventionist foreign policy which is to benefit Israel so my argument is simply almost every you know, terrorist attack that we've had to endure has been because of our really bad foreign policy to benefit Israel.

And I just don't see the benefit there for us as the United States.

We don't see the benefit, but we don't see the detriment if we would have lost there, right?

Like, imagine all of those states were hostile to us.

What would open?

I don't think it would be, man.

Why not?

So, I think if we didn't have this crazy interventionalist foreign policy at the benefit of Israel, I don't think they would hate us like that, man.

Like,

you could look at these Gulf states that have money.

These other Arab countries would probably have been able to have stable economies, utilize

their oil and their other resources, have some money.

And I think that

probably didn't exist?

Or, because I would say, like, if Israel wasn't there at all, not to make some argument on whether we'd kill all the Jews or whatever, like, let's say Israel wasn't there at all.

Yeah.

I feel like they would all just be fighting each other.

Because I feel like prior to like Israel being there kind of gave them a central enemy to kind of like fight for a while.

But prior to that, when Britain was carving up after World War I, you had like the mandate, you had like the Turkish Revolution, you had Egypt wanted their own state, like everybody kind of had their own state and people were kind of like vying for influence.

And, you know, like, it's just like, you know,

yeah.

So I've always remember that.

I've always been critical with, you know, the Arab world.

Like, they need dictators and monarchs for a reason, right?

Sure, um, but I do think, as far as like us and our relationship with them, I don't think it would be as bad as it is if it weren't for all of our interventionism on behalf of Israel.

Let's say that, like, Iran falls tomorrow, and let's say it's not, let's say it's replaced by something stable-ish, right?

Or it's not, it doesn't like who do you think one, this could be the next topic.

Um, I think that uh, our

um move into Iran, I think it was an L for us.

Um, I think the United States and Israel took a L with that conflict.

I don't know what your position is.

If you want to, I'm a major proponent of not having a nuclear-armed Iran, so I was okay with it.

Okay.

Yeah.

But I mean, like, I don't like the way that we got there, though, right?

I would say that exiting the nuclear deal was really bad.

Israel loved that, and Saudi Arabia loved that because they fucking hated us when we signed the nuclear deal with Iran.

Yeah.

So Saudi Arabia, they're cool with Iran now.

They've opened back diplomatic relations.

They're cool now.

I mean, they have, yeah.

But I mean, like, these guys are diametrically opposed to each other in terms of interests.

Like, Iran backs the Houthis a lot.

Saudi Arabia tried for like three years to bomb and get rid of all of them.

They've like, I don't think they.

Yeah, people don't talk about how Saudi Arabia has been killing Yemenis for years and you know they've it's a literally yeah terrible um

so and I've been critical of the Saudi Arabian government for that too yeah I guess I'm just so I'm thinking like if Iran were to fall yeah and that whole region were to be like friendly-ish basically to the United States that just seems like a really good state of affairs for us because aside from Iran like who would give us trouble there

well I think the only reason they give us trouble is because of our foreign policy right so like I think it's better to just like not you know give Israel all this aid and like we're in

a whole region being friendly towards us, but there's like an issue still with Iran.

Do you think we should just exit completely and risk losing the entire region to Russia, China, India?

No, I see your perspective.

What I'm trying to say is like the Arab world really doesn't like us.

Like, so, okay, I'll give you an example.

So, like, when Biden was in, right?

Like, Saudi Arabia was flirting with bricks, right?

And it took Trump going over there, right?

Playing off, like, I'm not friends with Netanyahu, went over there, met with, you know, the leader of Syria, Al-Sharrah, aka former Al-Qaeda guy.

You know, we'll lift the section off you, and then we'll meet with the, you know, we'll go, and they give them the jet or whatever.

Like,

what was that?

We almost lost Saudi Arabia to Bricks.

And my argument, my bottom line is that, like, and I think you would agree with this, Saudi Arabia just does what's best for Saudi Arabia.

Like,

I mean, like, who would you rather have access to?

The United States, who's like, signaled that they're going to have a strong interventionalist policy, or like when it comes to defending your interests, or somebody like Russia, you know, when Putin sits by and watches Gaddafi getting raped by bayonets, or sits by and watches Assad's regime completely and totally collapse, or watches, you know, Syria be involved in a civil war for 10 years, or watches Iran crumble because Russia can't handle its own war right now.

It feels like the U.S.

is a good ally to have in your corner, and then we can defend and ensure trade.

Let's say the Houthis were up to their shenanigans, and it wasn't the U.S.

that was interested in that region.

Let's say it was fucking China or Russia.

Like, who's to say that the Suez would have ever opened again?

Like, would they have had the capability to even send ships down there to does Russia even have a fleet anymore?

They would have.

They would have.

But my bottom line is that the Saudis and a lot of these Muslim countries or these Arab countries, they already don't like us because of our policy, right?

Like I disagree.

I feel like they like us quite a bit.

I think that's why most of them, like, people like tried to hype out that Abraham Accord shit, but I think that like most countries are like, listen, the fighting shit is gay.

Let's just move on and like build up and make a confidence.

But the Abraham Accords kind of led to like all of these problems.

Like it's, it's, it was, it was one of the, it was one of the reasons why, you know, we had the altercation that we had.

But to go back real quick to the, to the Iran thing, so

I think it was a monumental failure.

And my, and I'll give you my position real quick, and you can tell me what you think.

The reason why I think it was a monumental failure is because unless you affect regime change, everything else was a waste of time.

And I would argue that we made them stronger by intervening because what ended up happening was they survived the assassinations with their generals.

They survived the precise attacks with the nuclear scientists.

They did.

They did.

But Dayatolla is still alive.

They still have their military attack to a degree.

Yes, they were weakened.

Yes, Mossad did a fantastic operation getting behind the enemy lines and destroying air defense and jamming radars.

Fantastic.

But they did all that and showed their cards and they couldn't effectuate the regime change because they were hoping that by them doing all this, it would make the Balokes or one of these other, you know, you know, rebel groups say, let's go in and like take over.

And they didn't do it.

Actually, the opposite happened.

It united the country.

The people that were critical of the theocracy, right, were like, you know what?

We need to get behind the government because, yes, we don't like Dayatolla, but we hate Israel even more.

So when they had these funeral processions, there was thousands of people out there saying, yes, yes, yes.

So like we actually.

It was an L for us because we actually ignited their nationalism.

And then like the other problem also is like within, and I got this from like an insider that like understands Iranian politics.

I didn't know this, like, in their government, right?

There's like the reformists, and which would be like their Democrats, and then they're conservatives, they're Republicans.

And there was a lot of fighting in between, like, hey, diplomacy with the West or no diplomacy.

And basically, what happened was when Israel attacked with Operation Rising Lions, they said, you know what?

Fuck it.

We're going to hit them hard.

And then they just started hitting Tel Aviv super hard.

That's why we saw, you know, them being able to attack a lot of strategic sites, hit their intel bases.

And obviously, Israel withheld this because they didn't want anyone to know that they were being hit.

But it's coming out now that they are actually hit pretty hard.

Tel Aviv got destroyed, not all the way, but it got significantly damaged.

Definitely not.

There were a couple of missiles that fell, but not significantly damaged.

Oh, dude, they did.

They did.

I'm telling you, there was a ban on, and I'll show you after the debate.

Like, and that's why I designed, like, Western media and Israeli media purposely made sure any like journalists that took pictures or documented anything, there was a chance of them going to jail because they didn't want Iranian intelligence to get precise coordinates of where they were being hit for obviously offset reasons.

Then, on top of that, we know Israel, you know, there there's predictions.

So that people don't like report on like where they also didn't want pandemonium, too.

Two main reasons.

Yeah, but like, there's some, it's televised.

It's the first world country.

Everybody's got a cell phone.

Like, you're never hiding stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Of course.

And people do put it out.

Like, there's still video, but I'm saying, like,

actual journalists, they were getting in trouble for it.

I don't disagree with this idea that

we're making.

Oh, and just to finish real quick.

Yeah, yeah, my, to finish my position.

So, you know, we united the country.

The regime is still in power.

All we've done is emboldened them to get the nuclear weapons even more so now because they're like, now we need a nuclear bomb, right?

They kicked IAEA out, which IAEA, the IAEA, International Atomic.

Yeah, long story short, they were supplying us with information about their nuclear capabilities.

Now they're gone.

The last person actually just left today from Iran.

They kicked them out.

So we have no oversight of their nuclear program.

And me and you both agree that leaving a nuclear deal was absolutely stupid.

So now we have nothing.

And I think that if anything, since we need to get rid of the regime and they've mastered the cycle, the centrifuge cycle, they're going to get another nuclear bomb.

And let's assume we go off what Trump and Hex had said, one to two years behind.

Well, so what?

The regime is there.

They have the capability to build another nuclear bomb is my position.

So I think that us intervening, we spent billions of dollars to help defend Israel, to bomb their nuclear facilities, and they're just going to rebuild it.

I mean, like, when it comes to an overall comprehensive view of what the Middle East should look like and what our approach to Iran should be, I'm not going to argue that our view right now is incomprehensible.

One of my biggest complaints about Trump is I don't think he's a mind for politics or foreign affairs or anything.

I don't think he has like an overall, like if you ask Trump, like, what do you think the Middle East should look like?

He'd probably just draw like an Israeli flag over every country or something.

You guys are a fucking idiot when it comes to that.

So, like, our overall approach,

our overall approach is definitely incoherent.

But, I mean, given a list of bad options, I would say Iran not having access to nuclear weapons is something that not only we prefer, but every single actor in the region would prefer.

It's just very scary when you've got an actor that takes so much like overt effort to fuck with other countries.

You know, whether it's expeditionary force in Iraq, whether it's Hezbollah in Syria and

obviously in Lebanon, whether it's Hamas, whether it's the Houthis, like they just have their fingers in so many different things.

And then for them to be completely and totally safe from any attack now, because Israel can't really attack them if they have a nuclear weapon, things get way more weird at that point.

And I just, I think any world where they don't have a nuclear weapon is beneficial to the stability of the region, the stability of the planet, and literally every interest that we have in the region, both country interest and like trade and oil and everything else.

So I would agree with you that them having a nuclear weapon is bad.

I actually agree with you.

I will say that you keep arguing like on their perspective, if I was Iran, I would be barreling towards a nuclear weapon.

So I understand their perspective.

Ever since Syria fell, I think that was a huge signal to Iran where it's like, okay, well, fuck, especially because,

and I'm not a fan.

I'm not a fan of anything happening right now, but like Trump did them kind of dirty because I'm pretty sure that attack from Israel came, what, like, it was like two or one day after the

end of like a Thursday or Friday, supposed to be Sunday, yeah.

And it was like the problem.

You've been diplomacy.

Yeah, but the, but I don't even know if this country does diplomacy right now.

I don't know.

We're 90 days, 90 trade deals.

We have zero so far.

Like everything foreign affairs-wise is fucked.

So I think that Iran has every incentive right now to continue towards.

And I think we push them that way.

Because I feel

them having a nuclear weapon is bad.

But I think like we had the ability to have control of it.

But we don't have the leadership already.

One thing that we have to counterbalance is like, so I fully believe that Israeli and U.S.

interest is aligned in a lot of ways.

I know you might not agree with that, but they are in many ways.

But Israel also has interests that are

a lot more aggressive.

Yes, they're not aligned with the United States.

So for instance, the United States, regardless of what any retard says, the United States does not want regime change in Iran.

Israel absolutely wants regime change in Iran.

I think they would be okay with it, but they're not willing to put boots on our ground.

We would be okay with it insofar as, like, maybe because Israel wants it, but the reality is, like, a collapse in Iran could lead to all sorts of catastrophic.

It could lead over anti-Iraq, anti-Afghanistan.

And I would argue, yeah.

The base, like, saying, like, no fucking wars.

Like, that, I think that stalled his, like, decision-making, like, oh, man, I need more time.

I think you would have been way more into this conflict if the base didn't rebel so bad.

Totally, yeah.

Because Israel is full steam ahead on that.

If the U.S.

is like regime change, Israel's like, we've already got like 5,000 Mossad, you know, in place to give a signal.

That's why Mike Waltz got fired because he wanted to have a plan where they literally pulled boots on the ground and they were going to send special forces into these nuclear facilities and really like try to get shit going.

Sure.

So, but yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think it was a failure.

On my end, I think from a U.S.-Israeli position, it was a failure because our goal was like, we don't want them to have nuclear weapons.

We embolden them and we nationalized them where they're, now they're patriots and they want to.

I think we're pushing off it, right?

Let's let's say if do you think that the world is a better place if iran has like starts to have nuclear weapons in a month or in two weeks no it'll create problems but i but i'm arguing my position isn't that them having nukes is is bad i think them having so isn't that having nukes and like if having nukes in two weeks would be really bad isn't pushing in like six months isn't that well i know we did it that but now we have to wear what we have now yeah do you think them having nukes in two weeks is better than them having nukes maybe six to twelve months from now i think they can get them faster Well, I mean, a lot of their stockpiles have been blown up.

A lot of their centrifuges have been blown up.

Like, it's going to be.

You know, a lot of the uranium was got out.

You know, multiple reputable sources are saying around 400 kilos was snuck out.

I would not be surprised if they didn't have other clandestine operations going on, knowing that they were going to get hit.

I mean, their three main nuclear facilities, the whole world knew about it.

I would be shocked if they didn't have.

I'd be more shocked if they were to hide them from all the infiltrated Mossad in their country.

I feel like Israel would have known and told us.

Well, they just busted another ring today.

Sure.

The IRGC busted another ring today.

So, again, my thing is, I think our bad foreign policy has kind of led us down this road where it's like now they're saying death to America.

Let's go ahead and get nuclear weapons.

Like, we could have totally avoided this if we didn't have the nefarious influence of Israel saying, we don't want a nuclear deal because they're going to build nuclear weapons anyway.

It's the real reason is that Israel wants regime change and they want to be a hegemon.

But I would say the fault there is Trump because Israel didn't want the nuclear deal under Obama.

So, I mean, like, yeah, I would agree with you.

I think, I think him pulling out of the nuclear deal because of, you know, Israeli lobby pressure was a big fucking mistake.

Huge, huge.

But, like, I think from our perspective, I think it was a L.

I know you're saying, hey we pushed it back i think if anything if we did push them back their resolve is greater they're gonna now they're definitely gonna get a nuclear weapon and we've just made everything worse for everybody in the region okay i think we are that's my position on it um you two agree on a lot it sounds like well yeah i mean uh yeah i mean i still i still think we should cut do you do you think we should give aid to them uh israel yeah yeah to everybody in the region i think having i think it's a good region to be friendly with and i would hate to see that region fall to somebody else's influence especially when something has happened in the past several years where it feels like a lot of our enemies are having issues.

Like, I think Russia is running into a significant amount of issues.

Watching Syria fall is, I mean, this is good for the U.S., technically.

So, I mean, like, I think that

if we cultivated Saudi Arabia, they'd be a better ally than Israel.

And all my historical reading and all my current understanding of Saudi Arabia, I don't even know what Saudi Arabia does or, like, well, like, they have like a military supposedly, but like, I don't know what they do.

They've been

duh fuck all.

They have, like, yeah, I don't know.

Sure, I'll give you my previous war between Israel and the countries.

It's like Saudi Arabia has like three and a half tanks and like one jet.

Yeah, it's a nice little fly and landing.

They basically never have a military, but like we give them all their protection.

But my position is if we like, if we had cultivated our relationship with Saudi Arabia versus Israel, Saudi Arabia, from a religious perspective, right?

Mecca, Medina, very religious.

Like they're kind of the leaders.

That's why them coming into the Abraham Accords would have created so many problems.

It's actually one of the chief reasons why Hamas attacked because Hamas knew if

Saudi Arabia comes into the Abraham Accords, that's like the leader of the Muslim world.

it would have the and the palestine question would have been answered so that actually prompted it so i think if we had cultivated that relationship we would have been better off I mean, we have cultivated.

We have a good relationship with Saudi Arabia we've had for like 20 years, right?

I think that the issue with the Abraham

was more without Israel.

Yeah, because I think Israel has been putting a lot of the, like, it's created a lot of diplomatic problems for us all across.

And then, like, with what's going on in Gaza, just makes us look worse in the international scene, right?

And it's like we deal with all their problems, all their blowback, because we're the ones funding them.

So all the bad shit that they do, we have to eat it.

And even when we tell them, hey, Nanyaro, don't do that, he does it anyway.

Yeah, we definitely have an issue.

Yeah, the

You need a leader with a lot of vision to solve that, the Palestinian issue with Israel.

And I think the big reason for the Abraham Accords, why Hamas was emboldened after that, is because Trump basically furthered the Netanyahu goal of saying, fuck dealing with the Palestinians.

We're just going to keep pushing it off to the side, I think, was a big thing.

Yeah, and they couldn't afford for Saudi Arabia to come in.

without answering that question because that would have been that they would have been cooked.

Now, again, like, obviously, what went down on October 7th was horrible, but I do think it's very important to understand why things happen and why bad foreign policy leads to these issues.

And, you know, I think the only way that we're going to get peace in the Middle East, because,

okay, let's say, let's say I ran false.

There's going to be a new insurgent group.

There's going to be more terrorists.

They're going to come in.

Until the Palestinians have a state, we're always going to have problems in that area.

And with Netanyahu, he doesn't want a two-state solution.

We know that he's tried to, he's destroyed the Hospital courts on multiple occasions.

He doesn't want them to have a state.

So

the thing about Israel is like the people are realistic.

Like you can compel him.

You could force him to do things, but you have to have a U.S.

leader that's actually on board with.

Well, the way we'd have to do it is we'd have to literally make their aid contingent upon them playing nice and tough.

But they wouldn't even do that.

That's the problem.

That's why you need a leader to do it, right?

Yeah.

Well,

see, if we weren't controlled, and I know you disagree with me on this, like if our foreign policy wasn't run by them and, you know, we didn't have such Zionist control of American foreign policy, we'd be able to do it where he'd be like, look.

You guys got to make peace with these guys.

Otherwise, you're not getting aid anymore.

But since we continue to give them weapons, they continue to have influence, they control our politicians, they have no incentive to make peace.

If they have so much control over us, then why why did Obama sign that nuclear deal in the first place?

So,

well,

good question.

So, he signed it, but he got heavily criticized.

Netanyahu came here, shit on him, like in front of our own government.

And he had no, he's the only other world leader that could do it.

And then, as soon as Obama got out, he lobbied and Trump took it out.

They put Iran on.

That's another thing, too.

Like, we put the IRGC on the terrorist watch list, the foreign terrorist list in 2019, Mike Pompeo.

That created problems because then we put heavy sanctions on him.

Like, we had every ability to play nice with Iran and make and do diplomacy, but we fucked it up.

And I don't know what that is.

I mean, Israel doesn't have, I mean, like, it's not, well, I guess we disagree.

I can say, like, Israel can't make Trump be their bitch.

Like, I don't think that they don't have that influence if they don't have the economy.

Okay.

I think he is beholden to the Israeli lobby, and it really pisses me off because, like, the Adelsons gave him all this money.

Yeah, but he doesn't need it.

He had Elon Musk, the richest guy in the world.

Like, this guy could have literally gotten fundraised from anywhere in the world, and it would have been okay.

So, the reason why he needed the money

because he he was facing all the legal cases.

So he needed the money to run.

And he's got Trump coin and millennia coin.

He doesn't need, I mean, that was after.

That was after.

He's gotten a fun ton of money from that, right?

He's got a lot of money from that.

Legal cases aren't tens and hundreds of money.

But he already won at that point.

I'm talking about

before.

Obviously, you know, he had like four criminal cases.

Criminal cases.

I mean, like, they, I mean, like,

he needed to be.

He's expensive.

Yeah, yeah, but I don't think he needed the Israeli money for that.

I think he had, this guy was the most like popular politician in U.S.

history.

This market raised a million million.

Here Mandelson is just one.

Like, there's a bunch of other donors that we don't know about that give him money that aren't under AIPAC that we don't know about.

That, you know, hey, you know, and then look, he got the tech bros in.

Peter Thiel, Alice Karp, all these guys, the Palantir guys, these guys are like lifelong progressive Democrats.

They all got under Trump, the Trump bandwagon.

Why?

Because of Israel.

They were triggered by the woke shit.

Bill Ackman, all these guys.

They were triggered by the woke shit.

Do you think Elon Musk was controlled by Israel?

Like, this guy joined Trump.

He bought X for Trump and and

well, no, no, no.

So, what I will say is that, so, when he got X, right, and he started getting hit on, excuse me, when he bought X, and then, like, people were like, you know, they were taking a free speech crazy, and people were being, you know, critical of Israel and talking about all these different things.

Like,

people tried to, Media Matters wrote a hit piece on him, right?

Saying, like, oh, look, these anti-Semitic posts are put right next to your advertisers, blah, blah, blah.

And he ended up suing them, but, you know, they made him do the fucking ritual.

He had to go to Auschwitz with, you know, Ben Shapiro, put the hat on, you know, the whole humiliation ritual.

And then after that, he started playing ball.

And then, interestingly enough, Elon Musk, the only person that came to the U.S.

that Elon left Texas to go visit was Netanyahu when he came here in,

I think, late last year.

Yeah, but I mean, like, is that just because that's the only one who would meet with Elon Musk?

Like, I feel like he's not a very popular guy.

If we go on X right now, like,

this is like the neo-Nazi paradise platform at the moment.

Okay.

It's crazy out there.

It's not like he cleaned up a whole bunch.

I mean, the Media Matters hit piece was, like, you can call it a hit piece, but it was was legitimate.

It was kind of weird that you could scroll through some thing where it's like some actual crazy.

Well, they were doing that on purpose, like they were seeing advertisements on purpose, like they were like refreshing the page.

And like, I understand, I've read the case, the complaint that they filed, and I know that Elon alleged that a lot of it was unfair.

But I mean, like, you can create a new account on Twitter and you can scroll yourself and go and test it.

Like, you'll see some crazy shit right next to a sponsor.

It was pretty fucking wild.

Now, as of right now, I think most sponsors have kind of come back because the price of advertising got cheap enough.

Yeah, they cleaned it up too.

They did clean it up after that hit piece.

They cleaned it up, they did, they did, dude.

They did.

I got demonetized.

I got fucking.

I got demonetized, too.

I don't know.

But, yeah, I don't know.

I just don't see it's like an unfalsifiable

thing.

Like, I think that there's plenty of reasons to explain why.

I think a lot of old people in the U.S.

fucking love Israel just because of the story, the Cold War, and everything.

A lot of dumb boomers.

Yeah, I don't think you need necessarily.

I don't think you need a conspiracy to explain why Trump is such a huge fucking Israeli dick suck.

And I think you see the younger generation is definitely not.

Well, yeah.

Like, they're just starting to wake up to this stuff.

But, like, yeah, the boomer generation, the people that watch Sean Hannity and Fox News, whatever, they are.

But like, my, my point is, is that I think

our foreign policy is controlled by them, and we need to, like, stop being occupied by them.

Like, if it was easy to buy somebody off, I mean, how many Arabs, Muslims are there?

Like, two billion?

Yeah.

There's got to be more money in that world to pay off a leader than however much.

Well, they have to register under Farah.

Well, sure.

But I mean, it's like APAC is not like Israel.

Or wait, you probably think

that, okay, they're not.

Israel, but they're American, you know, a lot of times American Zionists that, you know, obviously believe in Israel.

Sure.

You can make the same thing in the U.S.

with an Arab group if you wanted, or a Muslim group, or a Saudi Arabian group, or whatever.

Yeah, dude.

But like, come on.

I mean, we could talk about Epstein, for example, right?

Like, do you think if Epstein was like, you know, Jeffrey Muhammad, that like we would be concealing the fact that he was, you know, an asset for a foreign intelligence service?

No, the documents would have been declassified immediately.

Sure, but I don't think that would have been because like we're beholden to Israel.

I think it's just because a lot of older Americans remember 9-11 and fucking hate Muslims and shit.

And we're like, oh, no, it's got to be a matter of time.

No, no, no, sure, sure, sure.

But like, what I'm, the point is, is that, like, you know, if Epstein was Muslim, those documents would be out.

If he was an Arab, those documents would be out.

Like, you know, but the fact that he was tied in with Israeli intelligence, like, we still don't have the documents.

We don't have anything.

Oh, we're going to declassify him.

Didn't bring anything out.

Took 60 years to get the Epstein is hard.

The Epstein is hard.

I truly believe.

I don't think there was a book.

There is no client list.

I think that Epstein was a kind of a perverted dude, had young people there.

I don't think there's anything to be found from the Evstein stuff.

I think that Trump played it up because they wanted it to be and because it looked good as a hit piece, but like I think that the people that pushed this the hardest would have been the ones with most incentive to kill him, right?

Epstein died in 2019 in a Trump federal prison.

Yep.

What was it?

Acosta was a Department of Labor Secretary who was the criminal attorney, I think, who got U.S.

criminal attorney or U.S.

attorney at the Sangha.

For the first charges that he caught, like, if you wanted to make, like, Epstein, obviously, if he was on video saying, oh, Joe Biden is my best friend of 10 years, like, people would be losing their mind because it was Trump.

Nobody even knows about the call.

It's like publicly available.

Yeah, I don't know.

The issue I have, I guess, sometimes that, like, I can see a bunch of stuff that, like, I understand, like, there's good explanations for it.

And I'm like, is is there anything that's happening where it's like, I can't explain that without some kind of like foreign push?

So, so here's my thing.

I actually agree with you that like people are way too hyped up on the client list or whatever.

And actually, to be honest with you,

I was talking with you about this, where people really need to look is the CIA, because if he was actually a foreign agent for a foreign country, the CIA is going to have all that information.

The FBI is strictly domestic.

NSA, CIA, honestly, Tulsi Gabbert is the one that's going to have everything when it comes to Epstein because people forget that there's a criminal case and there's also a classified high side.

That's the stuff that people want to see.

So my thing is, I think the fact that he is aligned with the Israeli government is a big reason why they're not showing us that because that's what people really want to see.

Is there a client list?

Maybe.

But my thing is, I'm more interested in.

Who was he working for?

Why was he collecting the information that he was collecting?

And

what was he actually doing when he was in the U.S.?

What were his meetings like, et cetera?

Because I guarantee you, to be fair, they have that.

That kind of stuff will never be released.

Like, ever.

When they say stuff like that, would never come out.

That's what they campaign on, and that's why people are so stamped, but that's like their issue.

I think one big issue that Trump admin is going to have, like, in the first term, Trump, because Trump doesn't know how to do politics.

He didn't know anything about like, what are my, you know, what do my cabinet members do?

Or what do my agencies do?

Now coming in, right?

He's appointed.

absolute sycophants in every single cabinet position and now he can't use those excuses.

He put loyalists instead of competition.

So he can't use deep state excuses anymore, unless we're saying the deep state is even deeper than all the Trump control.

And when you've got guys like, you know, Bongo Balls or whatever on Tim Poole saying, I got got a guy in the CIA who told me 100%.

And now, you know, this guy is deputy of the FBI with Cash Patel or whatever.

And they're like, oh, shit, we actually have nothing.

There's nothing's going on here.

And Tulsi Gabbert says nothing is going on.

And Pam Bondi says nothing's going on.

Like, at what point is it like Tulsi Gabbert?

Because that's who people really need to ask questions to because, you know, people forget like how the intelligence apparatus is.

But she's the one that's going to have everything.

She's going to have the high-side stuff that people are actually interested in.

I mean, they say that, but like, what was the argument before?

The argument, so Pam Bondi should theoretically have everything but the DOJ, but she's like, well, the Southern District of New York was hiding stuff from us.

So is tolcy gover gonna leave in four years and be like actually you know even though i was a director at national health they were hiding stuff from me too and it's like well the reason why i say her is because she's gonna have access to all the classified stuff from the intelligence community right like no i understand theoretically but i'm saying it feels like there's always a deeper state to point to once they're out of office they're like we couldn't get those files because somebody deepened this my bottom line is that if he had worked for the saudi ribbon government we would have those documents but since he was tied in with the israeli government we're not getting those documents because and here's i guarantee why they're not going to release it they're going to consider it national defense information, NDI, and off that.

Oh, sorry.

We can't release it.

And then a lot of those people are still alive.

Who knows what?

I feel like this would be standard practice.

Like, I don't think we would know about Saudi Arabia.

I mean, they literally fucking chainsawed that one dude up in that embassy.

Yeah, we didn't do fuck all about that, right?

I think at this point, I think most people believe that we wouldn't get that same level of like Saudi Arabia, cool.

But like, I'm saying, like,

for Ukraine, the crime we give Israel is insane.

Maybe.

I mean,

what was his name?

Just Jasami?

Jasog?

Jasol?

Okay.

Jasogi.

Yeah, the Saudi Arabian guy.

It was pretty crazy.

I'm pretty sure people saw him getting carried out and killed him in Turkey.

And look at Ukraine.

I think at this point, most people know that Zelensky might not have had personal knowledge, but Ukraine probably took out the Nordstrom 2 pipeline.

We haven't released anything or said anything fuck all about that.

I think it's pretty standard practice for we have allies.

We just don't, we're not going to release like congestion.

Sure, sure, but like

you know, the amount of aid that we give them, the amount of money we give them, et cetera.

Like, I'm saying like any other country had Epstein not been aligned with Israel, let's say he had been aligned with Turkey, even Ukraine, some of our greatest allies, the NFO would have came out was my argument.

I don't know.

I think it's speculative, but I think the NFO would have come out.

Ergon was literally in the United States with his own bodyguards like beating up U.S.

citizens and we didn't say fuck all about it.

We're like, oh, you know, he's cool.

You know, just

we'd give a lot of deference to Ergon is a scumbag, man.

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Turkey does a lot.

I mean, Trump literally, when he left Syria and Turkey was like, oh, we can bomb these motherfucking Kurds now.

It's like the definition of like a guy that just talks shit.

Yeah.

But I mean, like, we didn't do fuck all about it or condemn him or say anything bad about it.

So, I don't know.

I think it's, I think we get a lot of difference to our allies.

It's hard to say, but if Israel do, come on, man.

Come on, man.

If it was Turkey, come on.

If Epstein was Turkish intelligence, we would have that file would have been out, man.

I don't know, man.

What about Ukraine?

Ukraine just got another round of funding.

Where do you guys stand on that?

Yes.

You know,

it's disappointing because, you know,

Trump campaigned that he would end that conflict.

And now I think he's starting to realize that we're in a little too deep now.

Russia has no reason to make peace at this point.

They're winning.

And they have all the cards, unfortunately.

So they're like, oh, well, what's the point of us doing diplomacy?

And, you know, Trump thought he was going to be able to come in and just kind of let them keep the land that they have.

Don't join NATO for 20 years.

I think this was kind of the original, correct me if I'm wrong, like plan that they came in with.

It wasn't good enough for Russia.

So I don't know, dude.

I mean,

that's a fucking nightmare.

Ukraine, Russia.

What's going on?

What's your position on that?

I think I truly do believe that Trump is just incompetent in everything he does.

I think that people people have let him get away with this.

He's like a master negotiator.

I think he's better than the Biden administration on Russia.

You don't think so?

No, no, he's a catastrophe.

This guy said he would do it on day zero.

This guy's like truthing out.

Like, I think Putin is lying to me.

It's like, yeah, no fucking shit, Show.

I see your perspective, but, but, at least he's talking to Putin.

The Biden administration, they didn't talk to him for years.

Yeah, but I mean, like, what has Trump gotten in all of his talks with Putin?

Fuck, literally, fuck all.

Yeah, well, again, it's better than

talking to him.

I got fucked all the time.

I talked to him and I begged and I got him.

But

at least we got a conversation going, at least we could figure something out, dude.

We have the federation out.

Biden administration didn't even talk to him, dude.

Yeah, there's nothing to talk about.

Motherfucker's invading a sovereign nation for no fucking reason.

Well, if you want to make peace, you have to talk to the other side at some point.

I mean, with Putin?

Yeah.

You got to talk to him at some point.

Maybe we should have just supported Ukraine to let them win the war.

I think that would have been a better idea.

But you think what we should have supported Ukraine so they could have won the war?

I think it would have been the better idea.

Again, I think that that whole conflict was bad foreign policy by the U.S.

again, right?

Like, like, you know, allowing NATO to expand.

Like, you know, we could have made a play with the Russians in the early 2000s.

Putin wanted to join.

They wanted an expedited list.

They wanted to get there with some special privilege bullshit.

There are definitely steps that we could have taken to be more friendly with Russia historically, especially after the war on terror.

Like, we'd had a closer relationship for a while.

But

they see themselves as like a dispossessed empire, and I think they want that back.

I mean, they did it in

Ukraine.

He's talked about that, but I do think that this, and this isn't just, I can't really even blame this on one administration.

This is literally like 10, 20 years of bad foreign policy with Russia, where I think we could have definitely

held back NATO a little bit, could have, you know,

even when you say that, like, held back NATO, like, why?

If countries vote to want to join NATO, like, why are we saying, no, you can't, sorry, you have to get fucked by Russia instead?

Well, it's not that.

I think allowing NATO to continue to expand.

like and provoking a world power that has nuclear weapons.

We don't attack Russia.

Well, no, of course we don't.

But by allowing NATO to expand,

that is a proxy way that we're because we're benefiting.

We're allowing our weapons to be used.

We're seeing what their capabilities are versus ours.

Like, this is a crazy, this is an awesome intel collection thing for us, obviously, at the cost of Ukrainians and Russians dying, but and costing us billions of dollars.

I think maybe the maybe it's just nicer to be friends with the U.S.

than with fucking Russia.

I mean, like, when you look at

the Baltics, like, these guys are sitting real good right now.

Like, I'm glad as fuck we got it in NATO because I don't want to be fucking Ukraine.

Well, they only joined after the Ukraine situation.

No, no, Baltics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I'm talking about, like, I'm thinking of Finland right now.

Yeah, like Finland only joined because of what happened with Ukraine.

But I do think that the invasion in 2022 was just a culmination of just really bad foreign policy.

And then Putin seeing Biden sucks.

Let's go in.

He's weak.

And then, bam.

I mean, he would have gone in if it was Trump.

You think so?

I don't think so.

He just hasn't done fuck all with Trump there.

He was still fighting through all of Trump's first term in the Donbass.

Yeah, I don't think this weird myth that everybody respects Trump and nobody does shit.

I just don't think it's true.

Anybody will do anything.

I don't think he would have invaded if Trump was in.

I don't, I don't, like, I don't.

I mean, India and Pakistan were trading blows for a little bit.

Russia hasn't slowed down on anything.

He did end that.

He didn't end shit.

They came to the heat.

Where does this myth come from that Trump

child?

Let me give you my position.

Okay.

You know, I'm not the average MAGA retard.

Here's the thing.

Both nuclear powers, they knew they would destroy each other.

They need an intermediary to come in.

He came in.

Convenient.

I'm ending it.

Took credit for it.

Cool.

That's my position.

I think it would have ended anyway.

He was able to slide in and get the credit for it because they both have nukes.

They would would have cooked each other.

But he could have, they just, yeah, like you said, they needed like an off-ramp, right?

Yeah.

They need an off-ramp, and he was in a convenient position.

Trump's foreign policy, in my opinion, through all five years, has been a disaster.

I don't know, like, what foreign policy W's.

I think he's better than Biden, dude, and I think he would have done better than Kamala in this situation.

We were involved in less conflict with Biden.

The wars that we were involved in were much more justified.

Two wars broke out, man.

Yeah, but they weren't our wars.

And arguably, you can point to Trump at the very least for the Israeli one, right?

Those Abraham Accords were a big fuck you to the Palestinians who have already been extricated from every other Arab supporter, right?

Imagine you go from like, my allies are Syria, Jordan, all these other Arab states, and now it's like, fuck, my allies are the fucking foods.

The Imam Accords, the fucking

I've mentioned a million times how the Imram Accords was a part of it, but it's pretty crazy to be like, who punched in the Middle East?

And then like two years, three years later, it's like, oh, shit, biggest terrorist attack, like all the people who are not.

But it's also the occupation.

It's also everything else that comes in.

Dude, hell, even the red cows that they went and bought from Texas.

That was part of the reason why they attacked.

But I'm saying like everything under Trump, like he was, he was gung-ho with the Saudi Arabia drone striking fucking Yemen.

He was cool with just, like, ditching the Kurds of Syria.

He didn't give a fuck about any of that.

That's like every president ditches the Kurds.

Like, we use them.

Hey, break the Muslims for us.

And then we just leave them to dry.

The Kurds in Iraq are a bit happier now than they were under Saddam Hussein.

Oh, yeah, they're super happy.

Yeah.

He's demanding 80% of their oil from them.

He kicked the,

I mean, he kicked us out of Afghanistan in the dumbest way possible.

He basically went to.

No, that was Baida.

The one we left.

And it was on Trump's negotiated agreement.

The Doha Accords agreement was him taking the Taliban, going to

Qatar.

and then basically negotiating a full surrender without even the Afghanistan government being involved.

American foreign policy, I would say, over the past

20 years has been bad.

I'm just saying that under Biden,

the big stuff we're involved in is like Ukraine and Israel.

And those both broke out under his watch.

Broke out is a very one-dimensional way of looking at time.

But I'm just saying that like those are the two conflicts we're involved in.

Under Trump, it was like five of them.

And like most of them were bullshit.

We didn't need to be doing anything in Yemen with with the Houthis.

With the weird shit we were doing in Syria, this guy campaigned on like, we're going to take their fucking oil.

I'll say this.

So the surrender in Afghanistan is a disaster.

Significant conflicts broke out under Biden's administration.

And I get what we're saying.

Well, the Ivory McCords added to that.

Well, the other thing, too, is that at least with, even though I'm critical of Trump for doing this, with the Iranians, he had them sanctioned, so they were broke, right?

They didn't have the money to really be funding all the proxies like they did.

So, you know, Hamas wouldn't have had the same level of, okay, let's go ahead and attack them if they didn't have all the financial backing and a strong Iran behind them if Trump weren't.

So I don't think October 7th would have happened on the 20th.

I mean, I saw a lot of October 7 being video brains that were sophisticated.

They weren't driving Humvees.

They weren't like fucking Toyota.

Of course, of course, of course.

But what I'm saying is,

they wouldn't have had a strong Iran to back them in that attack as the way that they did.

And obviously with Hezbollah and everything else, because Hezbollah was shooting rockets into Israel on October 8th, right after.

But I mean, they had like the third largest missile stockpile in the world.

That wasn't just because of Iran.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like they were emboldened because they were stronger.

So my point is, I think, think,

and you're going to disagree with me on this, I think Trump's foreign policy, though I'm very critical of it.

I'm not a Magatard.

You know this.

I still think it's better than Biden.

What's like one?

That like he like he put in work for it, not like fucking.

Not the Congo and Nirwandans and shit like that.

Look, you're not going to look at it as a W, but I think the fact that he's talking to Russia.

No, no, I'm not going to say North Korea.

No, no, no, no, but I think the fact that he's at least talking with Russia, at least he's talking with Putin, there's some semblance of mutual respect there to a degree.

I do think that can at least

the bridge is there

about walking.

Well,

he didn't even talk to the Biden administration.

If Kamala were in, this would be even more cooked when it comes to Russia and Ukraine.

But you said mutual respect.

Where is the evidence that Putin has any respect at all for Trump?

Yeah, so he actually left the meeting early to say, hey, I got to go talk to Trump, like literally a couple days ago.

To go butter him up a little bit and then go bomb Ukraine like 20 times harder the next time.

Okay, again, no, no, no.

But the point I'm trying to make is...

Even Trump himself is tricked out like 15 times.

Mombunkers keep bombing Ukraine.

Again, I'm not saying it's fantastic, but what I am saying is better than not having any talks at all, right?

Like

the step one to diplomacy is talking.

And with the Biden administration and if Kamala Harris were in, they wouldn't even be talking.

Step one to humiliation is also talking, though, right?

Like, it's a big W that Putin's like, I just talked to this fucking retard and then I like did 10X more missile attacks the next day and he didn't fucking bet it.

Like that looks good for Putin, right?

Well, well, here's the other thing.

Remember,

we backed Ukraine when they did their drone strike on Russia.

That was embarrassing for them, where we destroyed a bunch of their fighter jets.

Remember that that when Ukraine did basically the same thing that the Mossad did with Iran, it was like, uh, like,

wait, when?

Okay, so a couple, like, I don't know if you heard about this story, a couple, um, like a month ago.

I know, I know about the drones

when Ukraine was behind enemy lines and they were able to basically, yeah, so, so that was embarrassing for Russia, right?

Sure, and we obviously funded that.

So, like, did we obviously fund it?

I mean, yeah, dude.

I think this was like a manpower attack.

This wasn't like an ultra-sophicated technology attack.

This was like a...

No, no, no, it was sophisticated.

They were behind enemy lines and they were able to launch the drones to go ahead and attack the people.

Yeah, I understand, but it was like, uh, it was like um

that's all our weapons, dude.

All our shit was drones.

It wasn't like these weren't like billion dollars.

It was like a years-long project of like assembling stuff behind enemy lines.

I'm just saying it wasn't like this was like a five million dollar missile every technology.

It was like a prototype.

That's our intelligence.

That's our, you know, we're the ones telling them how to set up and everything.

Like, dude, it's all us.

Like, the UK is.

I don't believe that.

I bet, I bet that right now.

The CIA is 100% super involved in this conflict.

Giving them all kinds of intelligence.

I don't even know how much we could coach them in terms of because the type of warfare that they're participating in has never been seen on the planet like all this drone back and forth and shit they're probably getting like new methods and intelligence and ways to do this shit that like nobody's conceived of i'm sure we're collecting data but i don't know how hand in hand we are with them on everything well no we're sharing dude we're literally our cia guys are over there like literally the only difference is like it's not our guys that are operating you know the weapons and shit like that but in some cases where the ukrainians don't know how to operate it our guys are operating it like we're as close as you can be to the conflict without actually being in the conflict.

And I think that's another big problem why diplomacy is failing because it's like, well, you just launched an attack where you destroyed a bunch of my nuclear-capable fighter jets.

So to be fair, they left, when they did those attacks, those are the only planes they left alone.

They didn't attack the nuclear-capable ones explicitly, which is interesting.

No, they did attack a whole different planet.

They didn't.

They left just those planes alone.

Because there's a lot of theorizing and speculating on why they did it.

And the idea is that they're.

Because all the outlets I looked at, they said they destroyed the nuclear-capable ones.

I mean, we can fact-check, putting it on screen.

And that's fine.

It's not that big a deal.

But

I'd like to see where you saw that like i mean but like russia would understand us helping ukraine because it's we're it's all in our interest like we all know what we're doing we have to be like when like when like when iran bombs a u.s base in in qatar right they said that we completely and totally obliterated that and we know they didn't and we'll make a little statement but we're not going to sit here and lord it over them because they need to have that win they need to have that to maintain the legitimacy as like that regime right to fight us right it's not like two hours before yeah yeah time people are evacuating beforehand right it's like when putin says you know we're gonna do shit and like people are freaking out because nukes are moving around it's like well they're doing it above ground we can see everything like that's good that's okay for us us.

You know, I still think that though this is bad, don't get it twisted.

I think the foreign, like, what we got going on with Russia, Ukraine, and the fact that they're trying to push this bill through is L.

I still think it's head and shoulders above anything Kamala Harris would have been able to do or what the Biden administration was doing.

Because at least they're talking.

Yes, it's not going as well as we want.

Obviously, Trump is visibly frustrated, but step one with diplomacy is talking.

The Biden administration was talking about.

If in three years, nothing gets resolved.

Then I owe you a beer.

Okay.

Then I owe you a beer.

You said you're not a fan of the Big Beautiful bill?

It's a hard world to be in.

Now you know how we felt defending Biden, okay?

Yeah, it's awkward you come in, right?

Did I go to new Trump debates?

And I'm like, what do we got in the West Politico reporting today?

And then the Trump guy's like, hopefully.

Oh, man.

So,

okay.

Look, with every bill, there's, because it's so goddamn big, like, you can't agree or like everything with it.

Obviously, I'm pro immigration, right?

No, not pro-immigration enforcement, excuse me.

So I do think that, you know, the deportations is a good thing.

You might disagree with me on that.

I don't know if you want to,

what your position is on that.

My big issue when it comes to stuff is that,

like, regardless of what you feel, Trump is politically fucking retarded.

Like, he picks way too many fights.

He can't focus on anything.

He doesn't know how to get like PR wins.

The big issue that I have to do is

when the left fights against him, like, ICE is important.

Like, a border is important.

Having like an actual immigration policy where we know who's in the country.

Like, these are important things.

And because

he's so progressive.

Like, he leaves an immigrant.

Like, immigration is so fucking unhinged.

Like, I i see where people are coming from and they're like abolish rice and shit like it's pretty crazy that there are kids drowning in texas and then there are like forces like walking through macarthur park in la as a show and it's like what the this is the gayest i've ever seen in my entire life what are we doing right now these guys are kitted out in like body armor that's like like they're ukrainians in ditches that see how our like feds are equipped like doing nothing in california like what the fuck yeah so like i like i think that the i think there's like there is a good conversation we had about immigration and i think pushed out do you want to go into immigration talk too we could but i think that whole conversation is even further away now after the unhinged shit that trump has done everywhere like i think it's like fucked for a while now okay so my position is i think he's actually fairly good on immigration i don't like what he's doing with the the anti-semitism bills like deporting fucking college students i think that's retarded um but you know the stronger border obviously we know that you know illegal entries are down like something wild like 90 or whatever um but i do think in the whole though i'm critical of the um deporting of college students because i think those resources could be better allocated to actually going after illegal aliens i think in general um enforcing immigration immigration is a good thing, something that we haven't done for a very long time.

And, you know, outside of like, you know, people say, oh, well, Obama, you know, did a bunch of deportations.

Yeah, like catching people at the border and releasing them are two different things.

It's not the same as like interior action enforcement.

And when it comes to like interior enforcement, you know, that is where Trump like shines compared to other places.

I guess, yeah, I mean, other politics.

Hopefully they don't listen to this podcast at all, but like I think that Trump could have gotten the easiest W's in the world by going to sanctuary city, sanctuary states, and just sending the feds into like prisons, state prisons, and being like, we're taking, we're going to do a paperwork check on everybody.

We're going to, you know, dump these guys out.

They could have gotten a lot of deportations.

It would have been probably cheap compared to what they're doing now.

Well, the problem with the sanctuary cities is they don't even, like, they don't, and I can tell you this from like my professional experience, bro, they don't even honor the detainers.

Like, I remember when I was on a job, someone would be illegal, hey, I want you to hold this person for us.

They let them go.

For sure.

But that's why I'm saying going to prisons where there are already, people already arrested and shit and then start doing like background checks there.

I'm just saying it would have been cheaper than what they're doing now.

It would have been really hard.

They reserved the right to tell the feds you're not coming in here.

Like, that's how bad it was.

Supremacy, I don't know.

That's how bad it was getting.

It wasn't really there for like deportion-related, um, deportation-related stuff.

Even if they did say that in my mind, it would still be a W because Trump could very easily say, We're just trying to go into a prison.

We just want to deport the felons, the violent criminals, and they're harboring them.

Because now we can't say we just want people to be able to work and be happy and take their family.

But when you're running around, like raiding like fucking Home Depots and deporting, you know, like people to fucking El Salvador, like the fuck.

Like, he's like picking the most evil shit to make everybody fucking hate him for no reason.

Well, that's that, and that's the thing with immigration, right?

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Like, yeah, you're going to go after people that are just like hard working and here, but they're here illegally, man.

And this has been a long time that we've been kind of been like compassionate.

Like, oh my God, we don't want to be offensive.

But it's like, they got to get removed.

And like, when it comes to the thing with the state, so there's this myth, right?

Like, oh, you know, the feds can trump the state or whatever.

State law enforcement actually has far more authority than people think.

And they can literally tell you, go, Palestine, you're not walking in this fucking jail.

And you can't go in there and be like, well, you need to let me in.

Like, no, the feds don't have as much authority as people think.

They might not, but the thing is, is that like in matters of border enforcement, this is is where the executive is at its peak when it comes to power and enforcement and everything.

Yes, on the border, they have way more power.

But here's the thing: I'm leaving on Internet.

No, I understand, but I'm saying you could probably make like immigration-related arguments when it comes to

state prisons and stuff.

I'm sure that they could make the argument.

Or they could set up the same way they do for state court houses, where they just wait outside the courthouse and when a motherfucker comes out.

Yeah, and that's a big reason why they have to do that.

But they could do it in fucking prisons and state prisons.

Like, it's such a, it's an easy optical win.

You look bad defending it, right?

Like, it looks bad to throw people at Home Depot, no matter what.

Even conservatives are are like, you know, you don't want to like right if they just do it out of prisons, it'd be so much more popular.

Yeah, and like at the end of his term, Trump is not deploying a significant number of people.

It's not gonna happen, and here's the thing, right?

Well, here's the thing.

Like, I see what you're saying.

Like, hey, just sit out the side of the jail stuff, but the problem is that they get released at

irregular times.

You don't know when they're gonna be released.

They'll release them without telling you.

168 million dollars, put a cop in the back and in the front.

You got the time to have these guys work doubles.

You can do it.

He allocates so much money.

If he wanted to do it, he could do it.

Okay.

No, no, no.

Well, here's the thing.

Again, with this guy deployed the National Health he only sends fucking Marines to California.

He can send some feds to sit outside at LA jail for two months.

With ICRO, because they're the main people that have Title VIII or whatever, there's a certain amount of manpower, et cetera.

Yes, you can designate people to have Title VIII authority and put them out there and everything.

But, you know, we're talking about every single jail.

That'd be an enormous amount.

Pick two.

Okay, Destiny.

Hold on.

Keep in mind, you're telling me that they can't do this at the same time where I watched

a Baghdad's invasion fleet drive down LA to go surround MacArthur Park for a three-hour horse gallivanting.

Did you watch the videos of this?

No, no, I did see some of it.

They caught zero fucking people.

However much money they spent on that, they could have monitored one prisoner for one month.

I'm sure they couldn't.

No, no, no, of course, of course.

What I'm saying is that, like, that's like, do you really want to put six guys at the jail 24 hours waiting for this guy to walk out the jail?

Like, is that a better use of resources?

Isn't it a better use of resources than the MacArthur Park deployment?

Well, again,

it always depends on who the alien is.

Like, what's their background like?

Are they a criminal alien?

Every case is obviously dependent on the person's criminal history, who they are, how many times they've been apprehended, whatever.

But I do think in general, what we got going on with immigration is better than before.

I know some of it is sensationalized to you, but I do think like...

I mean, like, the El Salvador shit is unhinged.

Why?

With who?

Why are we deporting anybody to El Salvador?

Why do we make a deal to send them to their special prisons?

I'm paying them for it.

It's like...

We don't have to.

It's just like unhinged.

Well, yeah, I see your position.

But the thing is, is that like a lot of countries, some countries like won't take them back, right?

Like I'll give you a- I thought they had a master deal maker.

No, these have been put like some of these countries like Cape Verde, I'll give you a perfect example.

Like Cape Verde, for example, won't take their aliens back.

Like and like in Boston, they get caught all the time for being in gangs and committing violence.

And since Cape Verde won't take them back, ICE can't do anything with them.

They go back out into the streets.

I don't believe that they won't take it back.

I think if the United States

is flying it from other people.

I'm telling you that from the U.S.

person,

if the United States were to say, hey, we're bringing these people back to your country and you're going to fucking take them, there's zero world where the country's like, oh, actually, fuck you, U.S.

You know, you guys need to keep them.

We're not taking shit from you.

No shot.

Just like with the Brego Garcia.

And they're like, oh, no, we can't get him back.

He's in Oslo.

There's nothing we can do.

And all of a sudden,

they could have got him back.

But I'm saying, like, but what, like, again, there's some countries where they won't take him back, bro.

I'm telling you.

Kay Brady's one of them.

There's more.

I just can't.

Look, drop him off at the UN.

Give him to the Hague if you want.

Fuck it.

There's no shot.

You're telling me that the United States couldn't deport somebody to a country because they have more power.

In that case, then we should say fuck it to all demons that you're going to do.

We should just do anything.

If the U.S.

is a business,

there's sensitive diplomacy things.

Like there's play, there's countries where

you think Trump is the sensitive diplomacy guy?

No, no, no.

I'm not saying.

I'm saying in general, these things have been in and have been in place forever.

There's some countries that simply won't take their people back, which is why you have to remove them sometimes to other countries where they might have an agreement where they can get them back to that country.

Does that make sense?

I'm going in the weeds here.

No, no, we're because this is...

I'm saying grammatically what you're saying makes sense.

I'm just saying that like realistically, that's not how it would work, right?

Like if I had like a, if I had the passwords to to if I had the passwords to some horribly incriminating piece of information on you, and then I had the best password protection shit on my computer in the world, and then we have a debate on whether or not you can get that information on my computer, what would you say?

I'm a bit confused by your if I had incriminating information on you.

It's my computer, but I had it locked down so nobody could get in but me,

would you agree that you could never get into my computer?

Probably not, no.

No, you would.

You would just beat the shit out of me until I gave you the password.

Well, you wanted me to use violence.

Yeah, well, with the United States, we use violence everywhere.

So I'm just saying that, that, like, if you want to say, like, well, diplomatically, there are issues and people don't want to take, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, in a sense, that's kind of true.

But at the end of the day, if the United States are saying, you're taking these motherfuckers back, they will take them back.

But again, the aliens got to be worth it.

It's got to be a big deal.

Like, it's got to be, here's the thing.

They don't want to go ahead and exercise, you know, our weight and our, like, hey, you need to take them back unless it's really worth it.

So in general, is the El Salvador ship been worth it?

Well, I'm not, I'm, I'm not talking about El Salvador.

I'm talking about in general, like, there are countries out there that simply won't take their people back.

So what ends up happening is, and I'm telling you this from an immigration standpoint, like they're not going to go and fight and be like, take this guy back, blah, blah.

It's pain and ass.

So instead, they'll remove him to another country.

That country might have an agreement with that individual, with that other country that won't take him back from us.

And then they'll give him back that way.

So

that's the way that they get around it.

I think by the end of the four years, he's not going to have deported a significant amount of people.

Well, a lot of people aren't coming in, too.

So that breaks into it.

Yeah, a little bit, sure.

But I mean, if we have anywhere from 13 to 20 million, depending who you ask people here.

A big amount of the deportations people talk about, a lot of it is just, you know, we'll try to get ERs.

Yeah, expedited removals, ERs.

So, but I do think in general, um, I think what he's doing with immigration is good in general.

Like, there's even though by the end of his four years, we're not going to deport a significant amount of people, they're still all basically going to be here.

Well, deterrence is important, and people not coming in is super important as well.

And the closing down the border is important, sure.

I mean, to be fair, nobody's coming here right now.

Like, tourism is down like fucking 80%,

but I mean, like, that's all.

Who cares about them?

Who cares?

Strong borders, but yeah, I think, I think, in general, like the deterrence and the people not coming in, that's a big W.

Because the other thing, too, is that, like, when it comes to illegal aliens and coming that funds a lot of illegal activity so like these human smuggling organizations they're taking a big pay cut as well so it helps with many other ways where it's positive reverberations yeah i mean i agree curbing that is good i just i think there are way better ways to do it but okay what about amnesty for these illegals

okay um i would say my position is that nobody wants to have the conversation but amnesty is the only realistic way to solve the illegal immigration problem i feel like you can do it um i feel like you can like a like a carrot and stick approach if you've been here for you know at least like five years if if you can prove you don't have like a criminal record like and I mean like a real criminal record not like a fucking speeding table like no like felonies no bad misdemeanors for violence or whatever then I think you give a path to amnesty for man maybe you cap them at a green card or whatever and maybe you make them pay a fucking fine if conservatives want to jerk off for the next five years on their income but like the reality is they're already hired by businesses they're renting you know they already you know they exist in these communities like they're sucking them out would just collapse like so many different parts of different parts of economies That if you have a path to amnesty, you can do that.

And then simultaneously, you hardcore ramp up your conditions or your penalties for violating.

So make it so like if you get caught here illegally, it's not five years, it's like 25 years, or it's a lifetime ban from the US.

Or if you're caught helping somebody, you know, you have more ways to prosecute these people.

Make it so like there's a path to amnesty, and then if you don't follow it, the penalties are like 10x what they were before.

And then just once we have that shit settled, then you move forward with whatever, hopefully a new immigration policy is.

But just going at it with a six-stick stick approach, like again, by the end of the time, we're not deporting a million people that that are in here right now in the interior, except for maybe some of the people that came in for the

not amnesty, the asylum seeking shit.

Maybe those guys will leave.

But the problem is like never getting fixed, and then it just becomes like a virtue signal thing on both sides forever, and we don't get any closer to solving it, I think.

Yeah, so my thing is,

I like your idea.

I would put a little bit stricter, you know, hey, it need to be extremely productive for, you know, for you to stay here.

You need to have show like, you know, significant ties to community.

Are you contributing?

What are you doing specifically, et cetera?

And if that individual is, you know, obviously contributing to the country from a significant standpoint and they've been here for a significant amount of time, then we can figure something out.

But I do think that just giving everybody a pass just to stick around when they're not contributing is a problem.

And I do think that we should be more on the deportation side if they're not contributing.

And I do think when it comes to visas, because we're not just getting beat when it comes to, you know, immigration just on people coming in illegally, I think our visa system is super flawed.

People abuse the student visa system.

People abuse the marriage system where they commit marriage fraud.

So we have to redo our entire immigration system.

Our immigration issue.

We need an immigration moratorium for at least once a five years, bare minimum.

That would be scary for a variety of reasons, but the immigration shit is also absurdly fucking complicated.

When I got married to Melissa, we did the K-1 visa.

Sorry to hear that, man.

What?

Listen, hey, it was about five years.

Listen, relationships come and go.

It's fine.

But when we were doing our immigration stuff,

I think the way that it works for the K-1 visa is when we got engaged, she could come here and then had 90 days for us to get married.

And then once we got married, technically you file, I don't remember the form, but 184.

I don't, I've been making a numbers up.

184 or something like that.

It's something that you file for

adjustment of status change.

485 or something like that.

But while you're waiting for that,

between the K-1 visa expiration, and then while we were married, waiting for that change of status, technically she's here illegally.

So like she couldn't leave the country because if she tried to come back, they wouldn't let her.

And if she did get caught anywhere, technically she could get expelled because she's not technically supposed to be here.

And I feel like there's a lot of weird immigration shit like that where you're in this weird kind of in between.

Yeah, where you're in limbos, yeah, for sure.

There was that one story with the Iranian wife.

there was some guy who was married to some iranian chick who was there for i guess her lpr or green card got revoked like 15 years ago and they were working with like the state department and like a lawyer to kind of get it back and then randomly she just gets like deported she has like a family there's like a normal woman who's like not doing any weird shit at all yeah and it's like yeah there's so much like fucky and that's another thing that's frustrating is if you don't want to talk about immigration reform which would include our visas and everything else it's like what the fuck we have to do you know that's why that's why i'm saying like you know because i i realize that like you know obviously we got to do deportations whatever but i'm also on the other side like we need to fix the entire system because the system is cooked, which is why we have all these problems.

And we're not just getting beat because everyone looks at it, like, the border, the border.

That's just one component.

We're getting beat on visas with green cards, with how people adjust, you know, all different types of stuff, right?

The marriage one, the K1 visa route that you gave, dude, there's an entire illegal organization that literally they're like, oh, yeah, I'll get you a K1 visa and get you married for $20,000.

Like, people are exploiting this stuff.

So, we need to reform the entire immigration thing.

I think we need one to five-year moratorium at least to fix it.

But, yeah.

The reason why I don't like the the moratorium stuff is we're already attacking so much our harvesting of international talent with the whole visa shit for students and the attacks on our institutions, which are the same.

I think the HB is a problem.

I think we need to focus more on getting 0-1s over here, people that have actual real exceptional skills, not Jeets that are going to come in and code.

I mean, coding is the future.

As long as people don't like it, like.

Well, their coding sucks.

We need Americans.

If that was true, then we hire Americans.

No offense, but American coders got to suck.

Well, a lot of people got too expensive.

It's because they're expensive.

Well, sure, but I mean, like, what does that say?

Well, they want to cut corners and and they want to pay them less.

And then also, they can put them on a slave contract.

Hey, you got to work here for four years.

And they just want VVs as a scam.

And Vivek is a retard.

But yeah.

I'm just saying that, like, if you go around the world for all the people, you know, Muslims, they hate America.

People in China, they hate America.

Everybody hates America.

Whoever hates America, nobody's looking at America and being like, oh, yeah, like Harvard and Yale and Columbia, what horrible aspects of the United States.

Like these are like our shining star schools that are super under attack by this administration.

And then a lot of the, like we agree on this, I can always agree with you when Israel's involved.

If I'm on the other side of it, like this deporting people over fucking like pro-Palestine protests and shit, like what the fuck?

Like it's so fucking stupid.

And my position on that isn't even really from like a Hamas reason.

My thing is because it's antithetical to the First Amendment.

That's why I'm so against it.

Like these people are here legally.

We could be using those resources to go after people that are here illegally.

Sure.

And you're going after them for the, for using literally the First Amendment to go after

protest Israel is fucking stupid.

And here's the thing.

Like these people that come in and say the stupid shit about global antifad, I don't agree with it.

But like my thing is like, they should have the right to say it because it's the United States of America.

There's also, and we forget this because it's a social media era and everything else, and every person has the same power online.

But, like, I reiterate this a lot.

Like, people from 18 to 22 are fucking retarded, no offense, but they are.

So, like, kids are doing retarded shit.

They could put a camera in front of them.

It could be online forever.

Like, if my shit from when I was 14 or 15 was online forever, like, I would be.

I was literally talking about that with a guy that, like, social media is like, yeah, it's killed a lot of young people.

It's crazy because, like, if you think of, like, Destiny, Stephen Bunnell, you think of, like, you know, like Dean Withers or whatever, right?

Yeah.

Like, we have like voices online.

Dean is like, like, this is a 20-year-old guy, you know?

And I'm 36.

And like, somebody can be 55.

And at the end of the day, it's just how many followers you get, how many attention you get, how much attention you get.

So, yeah, cracking down on like a 20-year-old for saying some retarded shit at a protest is like, it's just, it's just self-defeating, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's stupid.

And again, it's antithetical to the First Amendment and us doing it.

Like, it's crazy to me how, like, they could come in and say, I hate Trump.

Nobody cares.

I hate Nanyahu, jail, deported, you know?

So that's my thing.

Yeah, I think all of us here are against cancel culture.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All three of us have been canceled.

Are you pro-cessed?

No, I'm just kidding.

I mean, it's going to be a lot more nuanced than that, but I don't know how you can say you're MAGA and anti-cancel culture, considering George Trump is literally writing executive.

I'm always going to call MAGA resistance.

You're not MAGA either, right?

You know, look, I like Trump.

You know, I voted for him.

There's some things that I don't like that he does.

I'm like, I'm able to be impartial and be critical of dumb shit that he does.

Like, that's one thing between me and other people that, like, I love Trump.

They'll never criticize him.

That's stupid.

There's things that he does that I like, and he's things that he does that I don't like, and I will call him out.

So that's my thing.

Let's talk about this New York City mayor.

Destiny, you support this guy or what?

Um, I'll support probably whatever Democrat gets to the primary.

I mean, the guy is significantly to the left of me, but um, the way that I see it is a socialist destiny, no, not even close.

The way that I see it is that um, left people tend to not be like authoritarian dictators like Trump is.

So, my guess is there's gonna be some stuff that he wants to do that he just can't.

Well, Destiny, let me ask you this: yeah, because you're on the left, what do you think about your party going

further and further towards socialism and further and further left?

I think that online, I think in a lot of of the media spaces it looks like that aoc bernie etc

yeah but bernie and aoc are like hated now by these like far lefties online aoc has moderated her position a lot since she first came into office for sure bernie has been bernie for she's probably gonna run away uh 28 maybe but like where are the rest of these guys like rashid talib and um and the other two just systems i don't even remember their names like nobody knows people anymore like no more got elected to congress like that movement kind of died i mean in new york they ran cuomo i mean what do you why i mean and then you had been damned probably ran a good campaign i mean it's actually gonna win um probably Probably.

I think he's going to win, yeah.

But I mean, like I said, he's saying everything that, you know, I did a whole tweet on this, like, why he's winning.

Like, again, I don't agree with his political views, but he's literally saying everything that people in New York want to hear, right?

Fuck Israel.

This shit's too expensive.

Let's go ahead and make them grocery stores owned by the city so you can afford it.

Like, he's saying all the things that New Yorkers want to hear.

I think half of shit will get impossible to do.

Oh, he's not going to die to do it.

I think, like, if he does try stuff, I mean, either some of it will work and then I'll change the way that I do some of it, or some of it will fail, and I just have more stuff that I can point to and go on.

And the second target at New York City, like, yeah, it's going to be so hard for him to do anything.

And the fact that he's like going at the Israel lobby in New York City, which is like the most populated Jewish population in the United States, they're going to fight back.

I mean, like Bill Ackman right now is getting like a big treasure chest of money to fight him off.

So we'll see what happens, but I do think he's going to win.

But I think it's going to be nearly impossible for him to get anything done.

So Newsom and Callie going against Trump.

Where are you guys siding on that one?

Obviously, Newsom, my boy.

You know, I think California's cooked, man.

I just,

you know, and it's showing, like, we've seen a huge explosion in population in Texas and then a huge explosion of population in Florida, right?

Like, we've seen Austin, Texas, the two hottest real estate markets, right?

And I know this as an investor, Austin and like Miami, pretty much over the past couple of years.

It's cooling off now, but I think the people leaving says everything you need to know.

Vegas also exploded in, I mean, you know that.

Vegas has exploded into population.

Yeah, but I was going to say, like, all they're going to, it's not like these places are exploding because they're amazing places to live or they're popular.

It's because California's gotten so expensive because so many people live up already.

So like all the, I know in Miami, people are complaining about increased cost of housing.

In Austin, they definitely complain about it.

So like they're going to, they're on their way to the same problems, more or less, in terms of stuff being unaffordable.

Yeah, but the point is, is that I think the point is, is that blue cities tend to get expensive and then drive people out when they go to red states.

My thing is like if California is in so much trouble, especially because of things like legal immigration and everything, why is Trump so keen on deporting people from California?

Why not focus your efforts on a place like Texas where you like, you know, where you've got good relations with the governors and leaders and then let California fail?

Because, because, because

I could tell you this, again, professional background, but like in Texas, they're far more, like, the local law enforcement like will, the only city in Texas really that's like lame on this is like Austin.

But every other city in Texas, the local sheriffs and everything, they will help with immigration enforcement.

Sure.

But I'm saying, why not let them know?

But California does.

They don't let them fall to illegal immigration and then come in and clean up, basically.

Well, you don't want it to get to that point because then it becomes really tough to actually enforce immigration the way you want.

If it becomes too much of a problem, you mean?

or I mean if you think it's like so deleterious to the state like why not let it like why not let them suffer with that yeah like Trump likes to play games with FEMA funds all the time why not play games with illegal immigrants going on there and I mean I mean it's it's one thing to like you know kind of teach them a lesson but it's another thing to like just let like illegals come in and just like ravage the place I mean I guess they sell their border enforcement they could be on the I mean it's they can do that so but it's tough because like the state isn't helpful so it's hard for them to do what they want to do versus like in Texas the reason why we don't have these problems is like the sheriffs and the locals are way more happy about that right?

Hell, there's like Texas statute for like smuggling aliens.

They never get it prosecuted, but there's a statute on the books for it, even though they're not Title VIII.

What about the Title VI stuff going on in Cali?

Have you guys been following that?

Title VI.

With the transgender stuff.

I have not been following that.

I don't give a fuck about transgender stuff.

Okay, yeah.

That's been the conservatives have been obsessed with that for like six years.

Oh, fine.

I've even been critical of it.

Like, it's a 1% issue.

It's like, yeah, we can make fun of them for being weirdos and shit, but there's other stuff to worry about.

else do we disagree about that we hate each other on Destiny?

Shit, you guys agreed a lot, to be honest.

Oh, I mean, we disagree on like foreign policy and shit in Israel.

Um, what else?

Um,

you're feminism, we've done that so many times.

You've done the feminism dating stuff, I guess.

Yeah,

you're against foreign aid just in general, right?

I think you came on a few months ago

foreign aid, like entirely.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah, I dislike like foreign aid, especially when it comes to like military funding, I think, is like, um, like, no.

Like, I, yeah, I don't like foreign aid.

I don't, like, yeah, especially when it comes to military.

Okay, here's a question.

I'm curious.

I have a non-to give you my foreign policy position.

Like, I have like a non-interventionist mindset when it comes to that.

Fuck that.

Sorry.

I said, fuck foreign policy.

What, um,

as of right now, if you had to grade this admin for like F is a fail, A is a good job, where would you grade them so far?

For foreign policy?

On everything.

Like, just how happy are you, I guess, with how the Trump admin has gone so far.

I'm assuming that as of right now, if you could revote, you would still vote for Trump over Kamala.

Yeah, I would.

Okay.

I will still vote for him over Kamala.

I'd give him a C right now.

Okay.

Like a C, C minus, depending on the day.

Okay.

And then what are you looking for by the end of the four years to be like, either I'm glad they finally got this done, this is like they are up to a B or an A, or versus like, if they did this, they're like, this was too much.

Like, fuck them.

They didn't get, they didn't get this done or that done.

You know, I'm really hoping that we can like de-escalate or end the conflict in Russia.

Oh, sorry, in Ukraine.

And like, kind of, you know,

make some type of diplomacy with russia um the middle east is cooked man like it's like we've just like completely enabled and emboldened israel to conduct a bunch of bullshit they're going to attack iran again that ceasefire is bullshit so um

yeah um the immigration is okay i i think us spending money on going after anti-semitism is retarded um

but yeah i i uh but i like the murder rates are down which is good.

The FBI is actually getting out there and like doing real shit versus sitting around and doing, you know, let's chase terrorists all day.

JTTF never does anything, so it's good that they're actually out there doing shit, helping out with the raids.

So, you know, I think these are all good things.

Crime is down in general, but yeah.

Same question to you.

Where do you rank this administration?

F minus,

obviously.

I knew you'd say that.

Yeah, of course.

You know, it's interesting, though, because like whoever is like the administration, like the side that's in power, like now the Dems are like going to come at us, right?

Like the progressives, like they've been cooking Trump on this Evstein file thing for the days now.

Right.

So I knew everybody's cooking him on it, right?

Yeah, and then when we sponded Iran, they came at us again.

I mean, this was the guy who said, no, new wars, no new wars.

I know.

Again, right?

I knew you were going to fucking.

Sure.

I mean, I think the Eric Adams stuff in New York is, that's just unhappy.

Oh, I believe he was cooked as soon as he took money from the Turks.

Well, I'm saying the fact that the Trump admin basically blackmailed him, and they're like open about it, too.

We're like, we're going to delay all the prosecution until after the election.

Pardoned him, dude.

They pardoned him.

But it was, well, it.

The pardon with prejudice only came because that's the only thing the judge would approve.

Because we're not going to do this, you know,

without prejudice, so you can pursue it against win the election.

Allow the ice race to happen.

Don't give us all the time in your excuse.

That's insane.

All of the...

I agree with that.

I think

that was stupid.

That's why the U.S.

attorney resigned for that shit.

A lot of them resigned.

Yeah.

She's like, I don't want to be involved in this.

Yeah.

Yeah, the writing executive orders targeting people.

I think the, you want to talk about lawfare?

I think that the legal stuff has been insane.

Trying to sue like Seltzer because he's not happy with the Iowa polls.

All of the weird lawsuits.

Like, I used to argue against conservatives all the time.

I'm like, it's not your first member right to be on social media.

Now, Trump is like getting all these settlements from his friends who are like, oh, because he's suing Twitter for banning him because he's saying that violated my first member right.

It's because they were colluding with the government to ban him.

That's not what they were alleging in the civil cases.

They were just saying that his first member right was violated, and that's why they banned him.

And so they were like, and he got payouts.

He got settlements from like six different big companies over dumb shit like this.

Was it ABC or NBC where the guy was like, he raised the business?

He signed the executive order, basically, like the government can't collude with social media companies to censor U.S.

citizens.

So I guess, although that never happened but yeah i mean he signed it that doesn't mean it gets passed but no i know no no i'm saying that the collusion with the social media companies with the fbi and all that never really happened like none of the twitter files showed that oh no no i wasn't i wasn't referring to that sure

no no no i wasn't i was referring to him signing the executive order in general sure um trying to get rid of birthright citizenship through executive order is crazy i think yeah uh i don't even know because i was i think i was keeping up with that but i didn't like um i don't know where it's at right now it's that's gonna be litigated i know a judge i know a judge like trying to to block it.

The last I read, yeah, that block went away.

So, now basically, it will be no, no more birth by soil for until the courts figure it out, which could be five or ten years.

So, who knows?

Um,

all the things with the tariffs and the trade deals that aren't materializing, I think it's been a fucking disaster.

Blowing up a relationship with I think, I think the tariffs idea is good if implemented properly, but the problem is that they just winged it, dude.

Like, that's the issue.

Like, especially, like, it's too many contrary positions.

Like, if you want to fight with China because you think that's the number one enemy, fine, but then that has to come, that has to coincide with the strengthening of our relationship with Canada and Mexico.

We can't be fighting with everybody at the same time.

Yeah.

Well, the other thing, too, is like, and I know this, I forget where I read this, but like, like, when he first announced the tariffs, a bunch of companies said, hey, we need, we want to have a meeting with Trump at the White House.

They showed up.

They say we want to get reprieve.

Hey, we, look, we will go ahead.

If you're serious about this shit, we'll bring you know trade back here.

We'll start bringing factories, but we need you to commit to this for like the whole time.

Yeah.

And they couldn't give him a commitment.

So it was like, oh my God.

So like,

what's going on with these tariffs?

Is this more of a negotiation tool versus like actually trying to bring trade back?

Because like, if you're going to do the tariffs, you got to do it right.

And the thing is that they just winged it, dude.

I think if you do it properly, it absolutely can work.

Maybe.

But the other thing, too, also, that's like a big red pill that people don't know is like you can't be a huge consumer, but then also become a huge producer.

Because if you're a huge consumer,

well, if you produce it, you're going to, and you have the reserve currency.

It's too expensive.

to produce it.

Does that make sense?

You have to ship it off to other places that you can continue to just consume at the rate that you consume.

Kind of, yeah.

I mean, it's complicated because there there are benefits to that.

It's a tripping dilemma is what it's called.

Basically, you have reserve currency, you're always going to have trade deficits.

But there is a benefit to that as well, and that we can fund a lot of our government without having to do like exorbitant interest rates because there's always going to be people who want to buy treasury bonds and shit because everybody's holding USD.

So, yeah.

That's why Japan started selling their shit, and we were like, they had to back off on the tariffs.

Yeah.

Like, I can joke, and Myron can joke on Twitter because we're just random retorts on Twitter.

The president joking about like invading Greenland and invading Panama and Canada is the 51st state.

Like it's not, that's really spooky shit to hear from a guy who is otherwise also like very fucking unhinged.

So I mean like, yeah, I don't know.

There's a lot of

not great shit, I would say.

Yeah.

No, it could,

again.

I don't know where the fuck that shit came from, but I think that a little bit of Elon in his ear or whatever.

And like being really obsessed with the South Africa shit for like one week because Elon was probably talking to him about the white genocide stuff.

Yeah.

Well, he needed to pivot after the H-1B Visa debacle.

Sure.

He needed to pivot after that.

What's your thoughts on Elon?

I think he's one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever seen in my entire life.

I don't know if the ketamine like drilled a hole in his prefrontal cortex and he's like a you know 85 IQ and dropping every day, but I hate to say that I agree with you on that.

Really?

It's interesting.

If you look at older videos of his.

Elon pissed me off, bro.

Like big time.

Like fucking wrote a go ahead.

I'll give my grievances after that.

No, like if you look at older videos of his, it seems like he's like, he doesn't talk as like eloquently, but I don't know how to explain this to people, but there's a way when somebody's speaking, even if they're like a little autistic, like they're searching for words because they understand the concepts and what they're talking about.

And now Elon is just like it sounds like a meme, but it says something.

If I were to lie to you, okay, about my gym numbers, okay, if I were to

my gym numbers, if I were to tell you, like, listen, you go to the gym though, sometimes.

If I were to tell you, like, three months ago, okay,

you know, I could put up like for one rep, 225, okay?

Yeah, yeah,

it's it's I'd be like, no way, maybe, but like, it's

sure.

But if I were to tell you, I was doing 405, yeah, it would not like it doesn't just say that I'm lying, it says I'm a fucking idiot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When Elon Musk paid somebody to boost his Path of Exile account, whatever.

Oh, yeah.

But when he

were fighting about, right?

Who?

Oh, Asmigold.

Yeah.

It was him and Osman fighting.

And he streamed it, and then he started talking through his gear.

And it's like, not only are you fucking like, sure, you paid somebody to boost it, whatever, but you think that you can lie about that in front of a bunch of fucking nerd gamers who are granting 18 hours a day on this?

Like, it says something about your mind to be this.

This is just arrogant and stupid.

And yeah, yeah.

But like this America First Party, I don't think Elon realizes Elon, all of his political clout was unloaded from Trump.

Yes.

Without Trump, this America First Party is literally going nowhere.

It's cooked.

And

that's why he's trying to slide Funov.

I don't know if you noticed with Thomas Massey because Thomas Massey has like a big worry about the, was it on the Iran stuff that he was mad on Trump on?

No, the Big Beautiful Bill.

Oh, it was.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

And I was explaining it to you.

Like, I see why he's mad because literally Tesla stock dumped, you know, most people that drive EV cars are Democrats and conservatives.

Sorry, progressives.

You know, conservatives, most of us think, like, you know,

EV, what the fuck, like, like, environment skills.

Regardless, asides, most business leaders, like, getting into politics is just not good for business.

It's not.

It's not.

No matter what.

It's terrible.

So, so, like, he lost billions of dollars in net worth

to support hundreds.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, literally to support Trump.

And then he passes this bill.

He's like, dude, what the fuck?

I put all this work in and you're just like undoing it with this bill.

So obviously I can see why he's mad.

But yes, I see your position where, dude, when you have money like him and whatever he has to fuck you money, like no one ever tells him no.

So like, like you were saying, like the degree of mindset you have to have to like lie about something so fucking trivial says that you literally probably think you're a god and you're a weirdo.

But dude, that's all these idiots.

Peter Teal, Alex Karp, whatever.

Anytime I hear these tech guys talk, they're fucking weirdos.

They speak in a strange manner.

Nothing makes sense.

They don't say anything.

Something from that software was weird.

Dude, they're retarding.

I didn't know if I was either getting arrogant or listening to Alex Karp talk.

I don't think I've listened to him talk, but I've listened to a lot of the crypto guys talk.

He doesn't say anything.

Okay, I listened to 10 minutes of Bezos on Lex because I'm like, are all these guys fucking retarded?

Bezos knows a shit.

That sounds like a guy who did shit in his life.

I'm like, this guy seems like he, yeah, I understand something.

Listening to all of the,

who's the one guy?

He looks like fucking Notch, the Minecraft maker.

Peter Teal, retarded.

There's another

Martin Dreessen or whatever.

Yeah, these guys are all like,

like, they talk, like, they think that.

Yeah.

It's like when you meet some kid who's like, oh, I've got like net worth five million dollars and I'm 25 and I can coach you on like finance.

Like, oh wow, how'd you make your money?

And it's like, I bought Bitcoin and forgot about it.

And

bro, you got lucky.

Yeah.

Cash that shit out.

Shut the fuck up and go be happy that you got lucky as fuck because you know anything about what you're talking about.

And like, yeah, the whole tech world feels like that sometimes.

Yeah, and it's even even worse because they can't even talk properly to like make you think that they're intelligent.

They're retarded.

It's a bunch of word salons.

So

you don't have any of the charisma either, which is a thing they're not realizing.

Again, Elon Musk is a weirdo.

Like, that's a guy that conservatives will not like without Trump making.

I see him at

the event where he pulled out the chainsaw and said,

Chainsaw's a bureaucracy.

And I was like, this guy's so fucking.

Was that the same one where he had the sunglasses on?

Yes, yes, yes.

He's high as fuck rate.

Dude, yeah.

Dude, like, and he couldn't get, people don't, like, you probably know this, you couldn't get a clearance for a long time.

Like, you couldn't get a clearance because he does drugs.

I feel like the cringiest thing I ever had somebody point out to me, you know, that jump he used to do all the time, right?

When he would jump on stage?

Oh, yeah, with, yeah, and his belly hangs out and shit.

Do you know why he does that fucking jump?

Why?

He's making a fucking X.

Oh, my God.

And if you go and look at picture after picture, I'm like, oh, my God.

Somebody emailed me, like, bro, look at like, there's like 10 pictures.

He's trying to make the X when he jumps.

And I'm like, oh, fuck.

That's why he looks so fucking goofy.

But his kid, that one with the weird name, he calls him X.

That was the first letter.

But he bought that X domain in like 97 and he renamed Twitter Twitter X and SpaceX.

And he's like a retard.

He's like an actual retard.

Yeah, just one of these people that thinks they're a god, dude.

Like, you know what I mean?

I was going to talk to Joe Rogan on more gamer sheet.

He's like, yeah, pro gamers should, like, everybody that does surgery should learn how to play pro games because they have a, he said they have a 20-millisecond reaction time.

And it's like, reaction time for humans is like, I think 120 is the theoretical max because that's how long it takes for the ion channels to triple, like 10, 20 milliseconds.

Like, to even say that you've never played a game in your life because it's impossible to react to anything.

Yeah.

He's just so talk about things that he doesn't know about in an

authoritative manner.

And then anyone that actually knows what the fuck they're talking about, like, what the hell is this guy talking about?

But it's so nuanced that only a small group of people will know about it to call him out on it.

And then, if you do call him out on it, you're like, oh, shut the fuck up.

But then that was true because he jumped into so many different topics.

When he was talking about Twitter, he's like, yeah, we some guy, some in actual software dev hopped on.

He was like, we need to redo the whole Twitter stack.

And the guy's like, what do you mean when you say that?

He's like, well, we need to, we need to redo all of it.

And the guy's like, what part of it don't you like?

And he's like, well, you know, the whole thing.

And he's like, walk me through it top to bottom, Elon.

And he's like, get this asshole out of the car.

He has no clue what he's talking about.

I don't, I don't know why he keeps like having him on.

Like,

Yeah, but yeah, he's a fraud, dude.

Like,

Greg Reese, like, did a whole thing on him, like, exposing, like, everything that he did is like other people did the work and just comes in and takes credit for it.

Have you seen the videos of some people and like these self-driving cars where they like stop in the middle of the intersection?

It's like, oh, I guess we have to get out now because they, I think it was in Austin.

They started trying the Tesla self-driving cars.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

Yeah.

That's fucking retarded, man.

Yeah, and everything is cooked.

But like, again, as critical as I am of him, I know why he has a right to be pissed off with the whole Trump thing, like with the big big beautiful bill, because like he put all this time and money into Doge, didn't get paid for it, lost hundreds of billions of dollars in net worth, and boom, like nothing to show for it.

Yeah, literally nothing to show for it.

Investors all pissed off.

You got to go back to work and work a full work week.

Like, yeah, cooked.

I know you mentioned video games.

You guys disagree strongly on video games.

Last time you came on the show, you said you got to make 100K a year to start playing video games as a man.

Yeah, I don't think a guy should even bother with playing video games unless he's making six figures a year.

Because

you're not making six figures a year and you're over that's how you have too much free time you need to make at least six figures before you play any video games do you agree with that no i think you should like life has to be a balance some people are designed to fucking grind um i remember the first time i went to the fucking fresh and fit studio this fucking autistic return he's walking around like every camera adjusting everything and i'm like he's got like he's got like the grind like this guy will stay up like 16 hours a day learning whatever he needs to learn but for a lot of people you need like a little bit of free time the problem with gaming is gaming is just it's a thing that's easy to overindulge in right and like if you are like if you're playing you know like eight hours a day and you're doing whatever.

And that's, and that's the problem because it's a slippery slope, dude.

Like, like, they don't have the discipline to go out and work.

So, like, do you think they're going to have the discipline?

Like, oh, you know, I've been playing for like 20 hours.

Let me get up and do something.

It's like, no, make the money first, learn the discipline there.

Then, like, you can go to play video games.

Yeah, I mean, I think a bit, well, going, this will actually add to your argument here.

Like, the reason why so many guys like struggle with women is because they're fucking losers.

Like, let's be honest here.

Like, they're not achieving what they need to achieve.

And, you know, again, though I'm critical of feminism and women being hoes and everything else like that,

you know, a big part of it is like, well, I got to make my own money because a lot of guys are fucking losers.

So that's why, because dudes are lazy.

Yeah.

So it's hard nowadays.

Like we don't talk about it as much, but when it comes to technology, like the issue today is like you are competing, like this show, everything else, you are competing with everything else in the world at all points in time because of the phone, right?

Everything you do, you have to be able to capture somebody's attention away from a game, from a phone, from whatever else.

And that's, it's hard without, you have to discipline yourself at an early age to not be sucked into that because video games are designed.

It's like like gambling almost like it's optimally designed to spend time their worst time away off

they're away from

like a call of duty game and it's like i just got 47 experience towards this gun and i got 27 battle points towards my past and i got 48 things through here and i got to queue up to the next fucking game and it's like yeah i'm playing marvel versus rivals like you know i can see why people get addicted to it or whatever yeah but i always play it like after i'm done streaming and everything and i'll like i'll play it on stream so it's like makes sense travel so like i put like these i set up like little things here to make sure i don't like fuck myself up you guys monetize it when you play video games yeah i do it yeah like i'm gonna play like i view it.

I view games that are kind of like drugs, I think.

Like, I think drugs are like good, like, um, it's like a recreational enhancement thing, but if it becomes like habitual, it's not good.

Like, I don't think it's anything bad about it.

If you want to smoke weed on the weekend or if you're hanging out with friends or whatever, that's one thing.

But if you're doing something every single day and it's like part of your routine, I can get really scary, I think.

So, let me ask you this.

What are your views on like feminism now?

Probably the same as they were before, except I hate women a little bit more now.

So,

all I think is when I hook up with a check, I'll be like, Do you vote Trump or would you agree that women's women's things?

Women's suck at most things then?

Like, the women suck at most things?

I probably would, but I'd also say men suck at most things, so you know.

Okay, well, I think women suck at most things.

It's give you credit, all the girls that try to do what you do, they suck at what they suck.

When I hang out with progressive women, usually they like the fact that I'm more aggressive or masculine-coated or whatever, my demeanor.

When I hang out with conservative women, though, they're like, I like somebody who's not like a fucking loser.

Because, like, conservative guys will say, like, all these women are sluts and hoes and shit, but it's like, if you're a conservative woman and you walk into an area and you're like, okay, well, where are all these like good conservative men who are working hard, saving themselves, like doing all this other shit?

You can't find them either.

So like everybody's, we all deserve each other.

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, well, it's a fine because a lot of guys like, you know, subscribe to the whole, you know, feminist ideology, egalitarianism, whatever.

So I think that's a big problem for women because on one end, they want to be strong and independent and be their own woman.

But at the same time, it's like, well, I want a guy that's going to have conservative values.

And like, unfortunately, the two are difficult to mesh together.

Because like a guy that's conservative, that's more traditional typically isn't going to want a girl that's more, you know, independent and, you know, believing in feminism and egalitarianism.

Orthodox AIPAC people buy out the whole government.

They can push us towards a more traditional lifestyle.

Well, they won't accept any of us.

We're all goyam to them.

Like,

they're going to be like, we got to end them all.

So it is.

Could you be with a liberal and Destiny?

Can you be with a conservative dating-wise?

Like, a real relationship or just a real relationship.

Nah.

It's a deal breaker for you.

I wouldn't be able to because she would think she's equal to me, and I have to remind her all the time that she's inferior.

It really depends on what

Destiny's wore red to a lot of women, though.

This is fucking like you don't understand how excited I am.

It really depends on like I think on where the disagreements are.

Like I think there are some things that you can get over and there are some things that you probably can't.

Like if you're like if you've got somebody who's genuinely like

pro massively pro-trans with somebody who's like massively like super racist or something, I don't know.

Like these people are probably not going to get along meaningfully.

And then it depends on how far you go in the relationship too.

Like I could be with somebody probably who's like Christian or religious, but like if we would have kids, that would get a lot harder because it's like, like how, yeah.

So

I don't know, it depends.

I don't think you need, if you need 100% ideological alignment with your partner, I think that's a problem.

You should be able to have some disagreements, but it's going to have to be

certain types of disagreements.

Like some are irreconcilable and others are, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

I mean, like, again, small, small disagreements here and there.

But yeah, I think in general,

you know, the man's worldview has to prevail over the woman's worldview.

And I, or, or if she, let's say she doesn't have those worldviews when you guys first meet, at some point she's got to be amenable to change her mind.

Because I think if the woman's worldview dominates the relationship, you're cooked.

That's what I think.

I disagree.

I think.

You disagree with that?

I don't think there's going to be a meeting in the middle, but I mean, you think meeting in the middle is the way to go?

Probably, yeah.

So, my only problem with like meeting in the middle, maybe it's because I'm a raging misogynist.

I don't know.

I think women are inferior to men.

So, I don't think like, and when I say this, I mean it like from a relationship paradigm, like not from a human rights perspective, but like from a relationship paradigm.

Like, I look at it like if she's the authority and she's the one leading the relationship, it's just inevitably going to lead to problems.

Whereas, like, if it's your frame, like it's more natural for it to follow you.

Does that make sense?

So, like, versus versus, I mean, it depends on real quick, when are we supposed to be at here?

Uh, we got six minutes.

Okay.

Oh, shit.

Okay.

Yeah, when it comes to like, this might be opening up a can of worms then.

It has to be grounded out in examples.

Like, I don't agree with that, like, leading the relationship thing, because I think that different people lead in areas depending on where they, where they excel at.

So, for instance, like, like a man might be leading in terms of like, you know, he works a certain job, and so he's going to dictate the family schedule, maybe even like where you live to some extent if he's going to move for work.

But like I seriously know, the man is going to be like telling the woman, this is the grocery list.

You need to buy these things for the household.

You need to do this or like, you have to make sure they go to school and all that.

Like the woman will be like a leader of that area.

Of course.

Like in areas where you butt heads, I would be surprised if a relationship survives very long.

If there's like a constant, like one person wants this and the other person's like, no, we're doing this bitch.

Let me clarify.

Cause yes, you're correct.

My position is anything significant.

That needs to be done, the man needs to be the main decision maker.

And then, like, I see what you're saying, like delegate authority.

She does this, she does that, blah, blah, blah.

But at the end of the day, like, she's operating, like, when she's grocery shopping, I'm buying the food that my husband likes and the kids like.

I'm buying what, you know, what he likes.

So, though she is the one making demands, like, I'm earning the money that my family likes to fucking spend.

I mean,

that's your duty as the man is to support the family.

But, like, my thing is, I think

the general

frame of the relationship has to be controlled by the manager.

Yeah, I'm curious, like, what is like one, like, give me an example of like a big disagreement issue on that?

Because for a lot of these, I would view these as being basically relationship enders if you have have a significant disagreement here, okay, so like a relate, when you say that, you mean as in like what would like if we if I disagreed on this, I wouldn't fuck with her at all?

No, no, like if a man and a woman where the woman has to follow the man's lead on something they disagree on, like what would be an example issue like that?

Where they it's both in their domain, where they both have a strong opinion on it, but the woman eventually has to acquiesce to the man.

Like, what would an example topic be for that?

Oh, yeah, sure, on politics.

Like, like, um, is it how she votes?

Like, well, women should, I don't think women should, but that was actually on the list.

I don't think women should vote.

I don't, I know you probably disagree with that probably i think we should repeal the 19th amendment but um and i can give my position why but uh like for example if she like doesn't align with you um politically or ideologically like on certain cultural things like that's a deal breaker like if she you know like if she's like a raging Democrat right and you're a conservative like that's probably gonna create problems for you in the future these are probably deal breakers today period right yeah of course of course yeah like she's gotta be on the screen issue where it's like the woman strongly believes one thing and the man strongly believes another like let's say that like you've got family in Arkansas family in Nebraska, and you guys live in Iowa, and it's like, okay, 50-50, we need to figure where we want to move.

And one side's just like, we're going here, or it's over.

Like, I don't think there's ever a world where it's like, oh, the woman's like, okay, yeah, we'll go live with your family.

I agree with that 100%.

Like, yeah, I would think the man needs to make the decision there.

But the thing is, is that when he picks where he's moved, nine out of ten times is going to be because of where he works, right?

So I guess for the betterment of the I'm trying to think of, like, when you say the woman follows the man, like on what issue?

Like, what is like a thing they could have a disagreement on where

she wouldn't follow him?

Where she has to follow him.

Where she has to?

Because it feels like everything that you're following the man on, the husband's going to be be following the woman on like on the things that she's doing and then she's following him on the things that he's doing like where are these disagreements does that make sense what i'm saying i'm i'm a little confused by when you say the woman has to follow the man yeah the implication is that both of them might have an opinion on the same thing but the woman has to acquiesce to the man's opinion on it so i'm asking like what topic could that ever be well then she's also following because she has the same worldview too okay it's not it's not like she's like god i like it's like she's on the same path then you're not really yeah like like she she agrees with the worldview which is why it's so much easier for her to follow but let's say there is a to answer your question, let's say there is a discrepancy in worldview.

At the end of the day, even if she doesn't like it, she's got to follow him is my position.

Sure.

I don't understand.

Versus,

like what topic, subject thing?

It could be,

okay, let's say they both have a job, right?

Like, my job is here, your job is here.

We got to move, though, because I make more money here.

She needs to follow the man, even though, and be willing to sacrifice her career for him.

I would agree with what you say there, but there is an important added thing that you put there, which is because he makes more money.

So, like, do you think that's the same thing we follow?

Let's say a guy's working, he's 40, 50k a year, and she's doing some nice HR job.

She's making $120 a year, and the guy's like, I've got an opportunity to make $60,000 a year.

We had to move.

Does the woman be like, Yeah.

Well, this is where I come in where I say women should have more money than yeah, you need to make more money than your girl.

So, like, that wouldn't even happen in my worldview because it's like, you need to make enough money.

My position is you need to make so much goddamn money where she works off of wanting to do it, and it's a job where it's from home.

So, it's elective.

I don't think woman should be in the workfit workplace when she's with you

from a position where she has to.

It needs needs to be elective.

And I think whenever a woman makes more money than her man, it just creates problems.

Okay.

I disagree.

This is a whole obviously.

Watch a whole other episode.

Yeah, that is a whole.

I mean, we could do a part two on that if you want.

We could do a feminism or relationship debate if you want.

Well,

have fun with your anti-Trump tour and have fun on the streets in my area.

Yeah, man.

Absolutely, man.

Destiny, it's always good talking to you.

Thanks, Lynn, man.

I appreciate it.