Mastermind Reveals How He Built a Criminal Fortune | Skinny Keem DSH #1370

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Discover the jaw-dropping story of Skinny Keem, once America's most wanted car thief, as he reveals how he built a criminal empire and amassed a fortune! πŸ’Ό From masterminding a network of operatives to moving stolen luxury cars across borders, Skinny Keem shares insights into his high-stakes life in the fast lane. πŸš—πŸ’¨ Hear about near-death experiences, trust betrayals, and the turning point that made him walk away from it all.

This episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly is packed with valuable insights, wild stories, and lessons on street smarts and survival. πŸŽ™οΈ Tune in now to uncover how Skinny ran his operation like a Fortune 500 company and the secrets to staying ahead of the game. From Bentleys to bulletproof vests, and even selling cars back to the cops, this story will keep you on the edge of your seat!

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 - Intro

00:33 - Always Wanted to Be a Criminal

01:37 - Close Calls

04:57 - TheraSage

07:06 - How You Got Caught

09:58 - Get Real Rest

10:59 - The Snitch

13:35 - Evolving from Cars

16:21 - When Did You Know You Were Hot

18:33 - Off the Rims

19:45 - Stealing Electric Cars

21:56 - Most Expensive Car You Stole

25:05 - Closest You Got to Getting Caught

26:55 - Negotiating

29:58 - Stealing Cars with Trackers

30:00 - Stealing an Excavator

33:20 - What's Next for You

33:44 - Selling Cars Back to the Cops

34:35 - Selling a Car Back to the Dealership

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If you get a Porsche, don't go ride around in a Porsche to go show off.

You get the money.

By the time you sell four or five Porsches, you could go buy yourself a Porsche.

Damn.

So why would you ride around in a stolen car?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, me, when I first started, I had a stolen car.

That's how I got in.

Because I had a stolen car and somebody wanted to buy it.

And that's how I got into the game.

All right, guys.

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Most wanted car thief in America.

Skinny Keene.

Let's go, man.

What's up?

What's up?

These days, you're living a much quieter lifestyle, though, right?

Yeah, I'm trying to.

You always wanted to be a criminal, though, growing up.

Yeah, I just didn't know what criminal I wanted to be, what type of criminal I wanted to be.

I grew up like following Joey Molino and all the mobsters and stuff like that, mob movies and things like that.

Did you ever want to work with the mob that's like a,

what do they call them, Quaints or?

No,

not really.

I was

cool with this guy that was like cool with Joey Molino.

His name was Tommy Hill.

He was a rapper in Philly.

So I was young, but I used to be, and I used to rap, so I used to always be around them.

Used to see him with his bulletproof vests on and all that.

So that got me into wearing bulletproof vests and wanting to be in the streets.

But I was smart in the streets, though.

Yeah.

I mean, you have to be to survive, right?

Yeah.

Not a lot of people make it out.

No, not at all.

And I'm sure you've had a few sketchy near-death experiences.

Yeah.

How many?

A few.

I can remember this one time I was in my X5 and my X5 was bulletproof.

And I was like gangborn warned in the neighborhood.

And I would troll the people that I was gang warning with.

So I went, I went by trolling this one dude and he was like a real black dude.

He was like black.

And he was standing in the cut.

He was standing in the dark, but I could see him.

Every time I rode by, I just rode by with my music blasting, music blasting.

And the last time I came by, he just walked out.

He walked out the cut and put the gun in the car.

And the gun didn't shoot, though.

And so I had my homie in the car and i pushed him down and the whole time i'm think i'm pushing the gas i'm pushing the brake so the car just sitting there and he got the gun in the car damn yeah but thank god i don't know what happened i don't know if the gun jammed or he just didn't shoot but he had it right in there holy crap yeah then i got in a police chase after that it just was crazy was that in philly the yeah that was in philly yeah did you get away yeah i got away but I lost somebody pistol that I was, that I had.

Shit.

I feel like most police chases end up in them getting caught.

Yeah, no,

I was boogie.

I ain't never really get caught at nothing I did for real.

Yeah, because your plates, you wouldn't have, I saw you on another podcast, you wouldn't have a plate on the back, right?

Yeah, but

this was before I started the stolen car thing.

Oh, yeah, this, this X5 was paid for.

Yeah, this before I started the stolen car.

So how old were you when you started doing the car stuff?

25, the end of 25.

About to be 26 years old.

You got good at that.

Yeah, I got good fast.

Did you have a mentor, or how did you figure out the game so quickly?

I can't even say the money,

the money.

I wanted a lot of money, so I came up with a way to get a lot.

I was only getting like $700 for a car at the time when I first started.

And then I got up to getting thousands to 100,000.

Then I made it to a million.

Damn.

Yeah.

How much planning went into each time you stole a car?

At first, I used to be so precise but then once i got the hang of it it'd be easy i get a phone call in the morning they got a car i'll go sell it damn so people would tip you off if they saw a car was parked for a few days or something no so

i had like 26 people i had like 26 acquaintance 26 for the first round and they would bring me cars like every day so you figured 26 people bringing a car every day or throughout the week that's that's a lot of money.

So that's how I was doing it.

Oh, so you were like at the top and you just had people doing it for you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sometimes I would go out, but I was mainly at the top.

I was like the broker.

I could find the money.

I could find the buyers.

So I would go to different cities and different states and I would find buyers.

Yeah.

So I had buyers all over.

Yeah.

Do you think people are still doing that right now?

Yeah, but they get in court so fast.

They don't got the knowledge.

I think they just want the fast cash.

They don't even care if the people get their product.

They just want to get the cash.

And

I cared about my clients.

It was like a, I was running it like it was a Fortune 500 company.

Like it was a company.

I was running it.

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Yeah.

And they wake up and the air tag says it's in Mexico within 12 hours.

Yeah.

See, mine wasn't, mine was going like way overseas.

So it was taking three weeks to get there.

So damn.

Yeah.

So it'd be parked or it'll be in a container for a little while until they ready to go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I feel like it's harder now with all the cameras.

No, it's.

You don't think so?

No.

Really?

It's not.

It's not about, it's not about getting a car.

It's about getting the car out the country.

That's the hard part.

Yeah.

So if I take your car, you're not getting it back if I get it.

I don't care if it got a tracker.

I don't care if it got GPS.

I don't care if it got somebody sitting in that motherfucker.

You ain't getting it back.

If me and my team got that car, it was gone.

The only reason why they found 56 cars is because somebody gave me up.

Yeah, that's the only reason why they found 56.

So if no one snitched on you, you think you could have kept doing it?

I got caught and then, well, I got told on they got me.

And then I did it for another seven years without getting court.

So

I just gave up.

I just woke up one morning and was like, I don't want to do it no more.

I'm going to just go and try to sell my story now.

You had a good system.

What made you give up?

Did you start feeling bad?

No,

my friend passed away.

And yeah, I did.

Like when he passed away, it was like a lot of emotional things happening.

Like, cause people was getting their cars took.

And I never thought about nobody, you know, mental anguish on it.

I just thought about the money at the time because I was young.

And as I got older, I understand.

I'm I'm going to just take these from the car a lot.

Insurance thing.

Yeah.

So how many, when you got caught, what happened?

How many years did you get?

I ain't getting no yet.

I got, I got two years probation, but then they tagged on another two years because they wanted to watch me.

They only got me for eight months.

Damn.

Yeah.

Out of the seven years, they only.

They only locked me up for eight months.

Holy crap.

And they never caught me doing anything.

I just gave myself up.

I just was like, all right, fuck it.

Yo, they put the charges on me and I just took the charges.

I could have beat it in court wow but i wanted to save all my my friends so you were just you were moving super smart then like they had no evidence on you nothing they ain't had nothing on me were you texting people calling they ain't had nothing on me they ain't had no phones they ain't had nothing all they had was word of mouth wow they never seen a transaction of mine they didn't subpoena your phone law your phone records or anything nope they couldn't find the phones when they came in my house i had my phones up on the um

up on the cabinet i don't know why they didn't look but they they've just found money wraps and they found a gun in there.

That was it.

They ain't, they ain't get nothing from me.

Damn, bro.

You are moving hella smart.

I'm impressed.

Like, that's a skill.

Yeah, nothing.

They ain't getting nothing from me.

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And, you know, said it, but I didn't let, I didn't make him take the stand.

I just played guilty because I knew I had all my friends, everybody that was taking,

taking the cars for me.

I didn't want nobody else to come down.

So I just was like, all right.

And it was only eight months.

What I would have did, a month in jail?

It wasn't nothing.

I don't even got no record.

I ain't had no record at the time.

Yeah, that's not bad at all.

So you were mixing friendship and business, though?

Yeah,

I was

because I wanted everybody to eat.

So if you came to me, I would think that you was a real, you know, a real friend and wouldn't hurt me or anything.

So the one guy that snitched was a friend of yours?

Yeah.

Damn.

That one must have hurt.

Yeah, but after that, I seen him out.

I shook his hand and I just was like, it's the game

i don't think snitches and all that you playing the game if you're playing the game you know what's going to happen

so everybody got consequence it's inevitable right someone's in a out of 26 i'm surprised only one did yeah no it was a couple but i'm actually on me because i didn't really deal i didn't deal with the people that he had with him that was his people like so everybody would have a click with him so if i got 26 people them 26 people got a whole crew behind them.

So I had hundreds of people probably bringing stuff.

God damn.

Yeah, because let's say like you was somebody that was bringing me one.

Now you got a whole crew behind you.

So you got a crew of five or six people that's bringing it to you.

And then you're bringing it to me.

And was this throughout the country or certain cities?

It was a cities.

Cities.

Cities.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

Well, Miami,

Baltimore, D.C.,

Ohio, Delaware.

It was just all over and they was all bringing them.

Maryland.

Damn.

Because you want to be close to a port though, right?

So you could ship it.

No, we driving.

We driving up to Canada.

What?

Yeah.

We driving up to Canada.

You could cross the border, even though you're...

Once it's there, you know, you got people in that's getting money to do things.

That's how they was getting out the country.

So if you're at the port, you got somebody that's taking that bribe at the port.

Damn.

So even if it's going through Canada, you got somebody to take a bribe anyway.

It's just like you going to the club and you pay the bounce of $20 to get you in.

It's a bribe.

I'm going to get you in.

Money talks.

Yeah.

So if you're going to Canada, let's say you give somebody $5,000 to let you across, they're going to take that $5,000.

They probably getting paid, what, $20,000, $30 an hour.

So somebody coming through with a car, just, yo, honey, take that $5,000.

Yeah.

You're going to let them go.

Did you want to evolve from cars ever?

Or were you happy just doing cars?

I was happy just doing cars, but when we had got got took down, well, I didn't get took down in the first, um, in the first container situation, but I wanted to

hide my money into construction.

But I lost all that money.

Damn, in construction?

Yeah, they kept it.

So you would pay the developers?

Yeah, developers overseas.

I was doing it overseas.

And they just kept it?

Yeah, because the cops ran down on everybody and they hold the operation for like, so they hold the operation for like nine months.

So them nine months in between them nine months i thought i was hot well i knew i was hot but they still couldn't get me on nothing so what i did was i went to a college that my girl was my my old my ex-girlfriend was going to college so i put on some scrubs and stuff and i went to her school and i did nursing class for free i used to just go in there and sit down book paper book bag that's crazy so you weren't even registered i wasn't registered nothing i just go in there sit down you know hi how you doing?

These classes are so big, you could easily do that.

But it wasn't, the classes weren't that big, though.

They were small.

I used to be in the computer room and everything.

Like, I just walk around.

That's crazy.

But that's how I was in the game.

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And notice me.

So I would walk around with flip-flops on.

Like I would just, you know.

They say hidden in plain sight.

Yeah, I was in plain sight.

And I used to tell people like, yo, I'm the man.

And, you know, don't nobody believe when you say that.

So ain't nobody believe me.

So I just continued to do what I was doing.

Yeah.

When did you know you were hot?

After they, after they broke in my house and took a million dollars.

Who did?

I don't know.

It had to be a friend because the FBI, but the FBI brought me down like

a year later.

to ask me about it.

And they had all these people I knew, they had them spread across the table.

Damn.

Yep.

Just like the movies.

Yep.

They had them spread across the table.

And they wanted me, the FBI wanted me to like work for them.

But on drugs, I'm like,

I don't sell no drugs.

I don't do no drugs.

And then they like, well, we know you be in the club.

We know you be with this person.

And they like, all right, well, we're going to give you a minute to think.

And they walk out the room and they come back and they just let me go because they knew I wasn't going to do it.

Damn.

Yeah, I was dealing with cars.

I went and.

So you never found out who took that?

That's crazy.

No,

it was one of them people in that picture, though they knew that's why they showed me the picture they knew who it was

that's a lot of cash yeah

but i ain't care though i told them in the interview when they was interviewing me i was like i don't i don't care i'm gonna make it back i don't care about it as long as i got away with my life it had to be somebody i know because they didn't do nothing to me and i was sitting in my parking lot before i left So I know they was watching me.

That's true.

Because if they knew you, they're not going to hurt you.

They're close with you.

And it had to be somebody that's like, I'm getting the money.

it was some it was a back door thing because i'm still getting the money and if i'm going if i die or something you ain't gonna be able to get no money no more because the plug is just gonna go did you have crazy trust issues after that hopping you

i always did i used to have a bulletproof hat i used to

i didn't know they made hats but yeah i had a bulletproof hat i had the vest i had

um my bmw was bulletproof I used to trust nobody.

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But I kept people around me so they wouldn't do nothing.

You know, when you feed the wolves, they loyal.

Yeah.

Yeah, you need someone around you.

You can't ride completely solo, right?

Yeah.

Damn, that's nuts.

I got to see this in a documentary one day.

Yeah, the story gets

deeper.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot you haven't even said on podcasts yet that you're just holding back for a film.

Yeah, yeah.

You talking to any filmmakers, producers right now?

Well,

I was in an option for two years with ABC Signature, Disney.

And

the writer's strike happened.

So they put that on the back burner.

Damn.

Bad timing.

But it's called Off the Rims, though.

You could Google it.

It's on the internet.

You got an itch to get back into that lifestyle lover?

No, but

if I did,

if I got back into that lifestyle, I don't think it'd be crazy out here no more.

I don't think that these people.

would be like running around crazy like they are because they just half cocked out here.

They just taking cars and don't even know what to do with it.

If you see my DMs,

it's crazy because they would do it and then hit me up.

Like, I'm like, yo, I'm not in it.

I'm not in the game no more.

Why would you take the car if you can't sell it?

That's why I say it's easy to get the car, but it's hard to sell it.

Yeah, you already, the hard part is finding the buyers, right?

Yeah, that's the hard part because they got to trust you.

You can't, you dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I used to make them come meet me and give me $100,000.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

Well, cars are probably harder to steal now though right no they're not no it's the same it's the same

it ain't gonna change it's just that people out here have cock like i said they just running around doing anything thinking that it's harder than what it is but it's really easy well you probably can't steal the electric ones

I want to say something, but I ain't trying to get myself in trouble.

No, because I'm just saying.

Anything can go.

Anything can go, but they don't want that electric over there.

They don't want electric cars over there.

Shit, half of the towns don't even got electric.

They don't want to.

Yeah, they don't have the chargers.

Yeah, but

if I was in it, I could get whatever.

Electric, whatever.

Damn.

So hot wiring still works on those?

No, they don't hot wire.

All you need is a key.

Yeah, I guess.

No hot wiring.

I never hotwired.

I never sold a car that was hot wired.

I never did that.

I used to sell a car with the plastic on it.

Damn.

Yeah.

And I had like this little spot in Southwest.

So the back, it was 61st Street.

So in the back, it was like nobody would really go back there.

I used to have cars lined up back there with the white plastic still on it, brand new.

Just waiting to be sold.

Not straight from a dealership.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I tried.

Someone tried hot wiring my car.

What was it, Honda?

It was a Santa Fe, Hyundai.

Oh, yeah.

See, they just wanted to ride around.

Yeah.

I wanted the money.

I would never drive them unless I was going to a drop.

That's the only time I would drive them.

And I would try to instill that in the young dudes that was, I ain't going to say working for me, but, you know, that was in the organization.

I used to try to instill that in their brain.

If you get a Porsche, don't go ride around in a Porsche to go show off.

You get the money.

By the time you sell four or five Porsches, you could go buy yourself a Porsche.

Damn.

So why would you ride around in a stolen car?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, me, when I first started, i had a stolen car that's how i got in because i had a stolen car and somebody wanted to buy it and that's how i got into the game

but after that i i didn't drive no stolen cars what was the most expensive car you stole uh

a bentley um

um the flying spur probably the newer one we had lambos we had ferraris

um rose royces everything anything you can name of a boat if you wanted a boat i can get you a boat.

If you wanted a plane, I can get you a plane.

Only thing a party didn't even have a request for was a train, but

if the tracks go there, I could get it.

Anything, anything I can get, because all I would have to do is call, make a call.

I don't care if it was an insurance job.

If you wanted it, I can get it.

If you wanted a yacht right now, I could find somebody that wanted to do an insurance job on a yacht.

And we could put that motherfucker on it

in a container and ship it out.

So how does that work?

Do you say it crashed and then you just steal it?

They say somebody stole it.

Yeah.

Once it's stolen, I mean, they're going to do their investigation, but the whole thing about it is it's not in the country no more.

So they find it.

No face, no trace.

Yeah.

So that's how I operate it.

My stuff had to get out the country.

That's how I last so long.

It was no evidence.

Yeah, because if you sold the people in the country, it would tie back to you somehow.

Yeah.

So

say like if the car car lot saying that they missing 30 cars and they can't and the cops can't find them, then that means I did a good job.

But if you if

if the cops hit you with, let's say they hit you with a $10 million ring,

that's $10 million that got found.

I want to be in the bracket where $100,000, where I get caught in $100,000 ring.

because that mean everything made it over and we only lost $100,000.

So people think the higher the amount that they found is good.

No, that's that's is backwards.

You with mine, it was 2.3 million.

That's how much they found.

That's how many cars they found.

But I wish it was lower.

I wish it was 10,000.

Damn.

That means that all my all my people got their shipment.

But if it goes higher, that means my people lost their money.

Because now the cops got

$10.5 million back.

So I'll be happy if they get $100,000.

If If they say, oh, we busted $100,000 car rank, that means all my stuff made it where it needs to go.

Damn.

So they found 2.3 million cars?

Yeah.

That is crazy.

So that means International got involved.

Yeah.

What was it?

Homeland Security.

Yeah.

Holy crap.

That's a lot of cars.

Yeah.

And that was in eight months.

So imagine 14 years.

I did it for 14 years.

Wow.

The first seven years,

they was oblivious to anything.

I mean, they probably knew my name, but I would never get out the car.

I would always have tent.

And sometimes I would even get two cars.

I would go and get a car to match the one that I'm about to sell.

That was in the beginning before I learned more and more and more.

That's crazy.

What was the closest halt, closest call you had to get in caught?

To get in court.

I got chased on 76.

And the reason I got chased was because I panicked.

I was in a jag and I seen a state trooper and the car started beeping.

So I'm thinking that the car is beeping because the cops is there.

It was the fucking seatbelt.

This is when they,

it was the seatbelt.

I thought it was the radar thing on the cop.

And so I started panicking.

So they started chasing me.

But I got away and I got the car down in the hotel parking lot and it still got shipped.

Damn.

So that was a stolen car you were in?

Yeah, that was a stolen one because I had to transport it.

Yeah.

So sometimes I would just have to transport it if i ain't trust the person i would transport it and i would get the money and then i would pay them and then i didn't want people to see the plug and so i would have to do shit myself sometimes yeah you kept that just to you right yeah share that with anyone yeah yeah that's smart though because then people would have went around you yeah but they wouldn't even they wouldn't have last because somebody tried to do it before but he didn't last we maybe last a month that's it yeah damn yeah because he doesn't have the systems in place yeah and and they be greedy.

It's not about greed.

It's about stacking.

All you got to do is stack your money.

Even if you was getting paid $1,000 a car

and you bringing cars, just stack the money.

Just stack the $1,000.

You bringing a car a day.

That's $5,000 a week.

$7,000 if it's Saturday and Sunday.

Yeah.

Even though I'm making $5,000 or $10

off of everyone, but still, everybody's still eating.

So if you tell me, hey, I want $2,000 for this car, I'm going to go get 10,000.

But that's what you told me you wanted.

So I'm going to give you your 2,000 and I'm going to take you on 10.

And that's how I operate too.

So you were good at negotiating too.

Yeah.

You're taking 80% and they're doing all the work.

That's impressive.

Yeah.

At your peak, you were pulling in 50K a week, right?

Man, I was pulling in more than that.

Because

I would get them to come.

I would get them to give me $1,000 when they land.

So we would meet in a bar in Southwest called the Happy Inn.

I would meet them there.

They would give me $1,000.

we get drunk party all that and then the next day they would get me give me a list and give me a hundred thousand dollars damn so i got the hundred thousand dollars and i got the list of cars i call each each person from a different part of the city and i tell them what i want so whoever bring the car first that's the car that i sell or sometimes i might just buy both of them

and then if it's if it's a car that i don't want i'm paying a thousand dollars i'm paying a thousand dollars for it and i got a hundred thousand dollars.

Jeez, so you figured ten thousand dollars out of a hundred thousand dollars, and I get to keep the rest or however much it was.

That's crazy.

So, they were giving you a list of what they wanted, yeah.

I was getting the list some days, or if somebody just had something random, they'll call me like, Hey, yo, Ace, they used to call me Ace, that was my name.

Ace, I got a Audi Q7,

and then they do it,

they bring it.

I got no, I got set up in a, in a um, blue Audi Q7, me and my homie the cops had a tracker on it so when i went to sell it when i went to sell the um the um audi

we couldn't start it and i'm like why the can't we start this joint whole time we was being set up we was being watched filmed taped all that damn that's when that was

yeah that was

two two two people i know set me up i don't care damn so they just pulled up and arrested you on the spot no no no this was in the eight months oh okay yeah this was in the eight months but the the car didn't get sold.

They just wanted to see what was going on.

So you still can't get me for selling the car because I never sold it.

You were just inside of it.

Yeah, I was inside of it trying to start it and stuff like that.

They just wanted to see who I was.

Yeah.

Well, back in those times, there weren't as many trackers, right?

It wasn't like as common as now.

No, so we didn't take, we didn't take Hummers and we didn't take

Escalades because they had the on star.

But what people don't know is, and I shouldn't be saying all this

what people don't know is that the car lots don't program the cars

they don't program the gps in the cars so hundreds of hundreds of cars was going missing damn so when the car come off the boat the car is just a it's just a computer it ain't you know what i'm saying it's not programmed yeah it's not programmed So you could just drive or, you know what I'm saying?

Ain't nothing really programmed on it.

So that's the best time to go for them when they're coming off the boat.

Yeah, when they're coming off, when they're coming off the

truck, the truck.

And they're being put.

That's why I said, now that goes back to what I said.

I used to have the cars with the white stuff on it, with the paper on it.

Yeah.

Yeah, stuff in the window.

It's smart.

I saw one clip, you stole an excavator.

Yeah.

That's insane.

Somebody wanted an excavator for diamonds because they was digging up diamonds in a jungle.

And them joints just be on the side of the road.

And like I said,

the object of the game is to get the motherfucker out of the country before anybody know.

That's it.

So once it's on that boat.

You're good.

Yeah, once it's on that boat, sometimes once it's in the container is good because the container is so solid.

Yeah.

So when I got, when I got arrested, it wasn't because they, when,

when I got set up, they had the X5.

They had it inside a container.

So I thought that it was a tracker at first, but, well, it was a tracker, but I thought it was a tracker from like the um car company.

But it was a tracker from the cops, so the cops already knew where the car was going.

It wasn't because it was in the um in the container that they found it, they had a fucking tracker and they was watching where it went.

So, they were allowed to open the container, yeah.

The container was parked on the regular street

in the hood, damn

wow, it was parked on the street, like they dropped them motherfuckers right up in there,

right around the corner from the police station.

If you were that close to the I used to, I used to, right-handed guy i used to be in new york i would come off of um

it had to be george washington i would come off george washington i think it was jerome ave i'm i'm not sure if it was jerome ave somebody correct me if i'm wrong if y'all see this but i used to make a right off of jerome ad i mean off the george washington bridge make a right then make a left and i would sell my cars right there and i swear to jesus

the police station was right here

you were just so confident i

The police station right here, and I would be selling the car right here.

Stolen.

Hidden in plain sight.

We driving from Philly to New York, and I did that plenty of times.

Nothing ever happened.

That's crazy.

You ever get family involved, or you were just moving on your own?

No, ain't nobody know what I was doing.

Really?

None of my family would know what I was doing.

And the people that was working with me, they wouldn't tell nobody except for the ones that told the cops.

Yeah, but nobody knew.

Nobody knew.

Everybody thought I was a drug dealer or they thought like a girl was taking care of me.

One time they said I was making money in the basement, like counterfeit money.

That's how much money I had.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

That must have been hard to keep to yourself.

No.

Not tell any family?

No, it wasn't.

Really?

No, I just didn't never tell nobody.

I just, until it came out on the news, that's when people knew.

That's when they was like, oh, that's what he was doing.

And then.

Were you flashy with it?

Yeah, I was flashy as hell.

I always had like cars.

Designer.

Yeah.

No, no, no, no, no designer.

I wasn't wearing design.

I mean, I wore a Gucci every now and then to go to a party, but I used to be in the hood.

I used to be like Rick Ross.

And I never even seen Rick Ross' story until, you know, recently.

But I used to be like him.

I used to have flip-flops on.

Everywhere I went, I had flip-flops and I would wear like tan khakis and a regular shirt unless I was going out of town or something.

But I had like jewelry and stuff.

But I wouldn't wear it unless I was going out.

I had a nice watch and stuff.

Yeah.

So you just spent most of the money on cars?

Yeah, oh, I just hit it.

I love it, man.

Yeah, I just

have been cool.

Anything else you want to close off with here?

Anything you're working on right now?

Um, the documentary.

I'm working on my book.

My book should be coming soon.

I don't want to release the name of it yet, but and I'm working on the documentary.

And I got a few people that I'm trying to, you know, score a deal with to get this series actually done.

50 Cent.

If you're listening to this i try to reach out to you please reach back out to me hit him up he's killing it right now too with the

yeah and i think that my show would be like

a hit because it's it's nothing there's nothing like i mean it's stuff like it but people ain't really telling these stories not to your level you were the number one guy yeah doing this stuff and is and is so much more i i used to i'm gonna end it with this i'm gonna close it off with this i used to sell the cars back to the cops

What?

I used to sell the cars back to the cops.

People just gotta interpret that how they gotta interpret it the way they interpret it.

I used to, and I be getting so mad, one of them pissed me off one time.

It, I'm telling you, the story gets way crazier, and people be thinking it's a lie, but it's the truth.

I used to sell the cars back to the cops.

That's nuts.

Well, we'll end it there.

You'll have to watch the documentary to see that.

Thanks for coming on, man.

All right, man.

Check them out, guys.

Peace.