Crypto Predictions 2025: Bitcoin to $400K? | Dan Young DSH #1222

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have one at the time if they ban her from stock trading she'll probably load up yeah you think that ban will actually happen

uh it it could happen uh

but here's the interesting thing again being that the president owns so much crypto and so many congress members i i don't think crypto will be held down too much from that

All right, guys, Dan Young here today.

Someone I've known for man, man, seven, eight years.

Long time, man.

Wow, man.

Finally got a podcast.

You're so busy.

So it's hard getting you out here.

Dude, you too, man.

Yeah.

No, but you are balls deep in the crypto space.

So you're crazy.

Even leaving now is a risk for your portfolio with all the meme coins.

It's nuts, huh?

You know, stuff's down like 40% in an hour.

Yeah.

How's that to buy?

Yeah.

How's the fun going?

The crypto fund.

Fund is great.

Fund one is like 98% full.

So we're launching fund two in March.

Nice.

Nice.

Congrats, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, with Bridger, right?

Bridger Pennington.

Shout out to Bridger.

The Fun King.

The Fun King.

Man, that guy has

how many funds now?

Well, you know, his family, his dad has like had this thing.

And his dad, he retired, but his dad's fund is $48 billion.

Holy crap.

Pretty juicy now.

That must be one of the biggest of all time.

Oh, it's pretty big.

What's in that one?

Is it stocks or real estate?

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Tried and true, right?

Tried and true.

Yeah, sometimes you need some safe investments.

Yeah.

Real estate's safe, right?

We take some of our profits from our bag and roll it into boring old man investments yeah yeah i remember you used to tell me about some some flips you used to do i keep telling you to buy real estate with extra cheddar you know well i finally bought some oh good yeah i got one i got one now and i i kind of want to get more i get these ads for what are your thoughts on the section eight stuff it's kind of trending like anything but you know how that airbnb took a big trend you know but uh I just think just accumulate, accumulate, and be patient five years plus.

Get good cash flow.

Life is good hopefully rates come down you know we were in the uber on the way here looking up house prices in park city some of them were like five million yeah they've gone up yeah i bought one in in salt lake in holiday for a million and a half and it was like five million now holy crap it's been a salt lake yeah so even salt lake's going up yeah dude it's nuts though because when you have big events like sundance you can rent this out for a thousand bucks a day it's crazy that's what the guys here are paying wow that's not that bad that's not that bad yeah but you could pretty much make your mortgage in two weeks you can you know real estate could be the way if you got to know what you're doing though yes a lot of people lose money in real estate yes not as much as crypto when they mess up we'll try to help everyone yeah crypto's got to be like a 97 losing rate for the average person i'd imagine it's pretty bad huh it's just like when you know when they go to vegas and they think they're going to be a poker yeah i mean same with stocks though yeah i think 90 of people lose on stocks too emotional most people yeah but you've got good control over that right well we try to meditate you know being a vulcan and all yeah plus you do the data analysis, so I feel like you're pretty comfortable when you make investments.

Yeah, we do a lot of diligence before each position that we put into, so it's been a good ride.

Yeah, you don't just see one video on social media and buy off someone's opinion.

No, try to see what a lot of people do.

You saw it with the Hoctua coin.

That was crazy.

Trump coin coin, Melania.

Now, you could have made money on Trump and Melania, though.

You could have.

You could have made some money.

But you had to be there early.

Short term, yeah.

Did you get in?

I got some at eight, like eight dollars something.

It was pretty early.

So i did okay and then sold it pretty quick but uh i'm not a day trader uh but that one was kind of fun you know but we thought it was a rug when it launched right yeah this is his accounts probably been hacked but we knew it wasn't hacked most likely because it went on true social at the same time right yeah so both accounts getting hacked probably a low chance of that i thought the melania launch was a dumb move that was pretty dumb because that messed up the trump coin price right yeah that everybody just moved a little bit over but you know, I mean, the whole family's in it now.

They'll launch a Baron coin next.

Possibly, you know?

But their big money, you know, is in their own private holdings like that, World Liberty and, you know, a few things like that.

They're stacking crypto, right?

I just saw them buy a bunch of Ethereum and Bitcoin.

Lots of Ethereum, lots of Bitcoin, and

lots of, well, actually, it's mainly Ethereum in that deal.

I don't...

know how much Bitcoin they actually have, but they're buying a lot of the

tokens that'll be hopefully tax-free, U.S.-based, right?

Was Solana one of them?

Uh, I don't think they have a whole bunch of sol, but I mean, just big stacks of Ethereum in there, but you are seeing like Chainlink and some other stuff, so we'll see what happens.

Yeah, so you think there's a good chance crypto could be tax-free in the future, American-based crypto.

And, uh, but I got a crazy theory.

So, you know, whatever Trump's buying, indirectly or whatnot, right, with, let's say, World Liberties, whatever he's buying there, here's the thought.

If the the president is buying that and he is hiring all the guys who regulate that, right?

There's probably a good chance that whatever he's buying is going to go up for the next few years.

There's a darn good chance, right?

Because he's going to put the wind in the sales.

And with Congress, you know, possibly being completely banned from dealing with stocks, you're just going to move to crypto,

which is even more fun, right?

That's a good point.

They are finally getting some heat on the stock stuff, right?

Yeah.

And the donations and who's donating what to who.

Yeah.

Buy what, you know, Nancy Pelosi buys and don't buy what Jim Kramer recommends.

And, you know, people have done these mirror trades.

Yeah.

They've done the inverse Kramer ETF or whatever.

That's right.

He gets so pissed whenever he sees it.

It gets all red.

I mean, it's wild that everything he says goes down.

Yeah.

Like you, you got to try to be that bad, I feel like.

That's crazy, huh?

Like, you got to, if you're shooting that low, that's amazing.

That's a skill in itself.

It is crazy.

You know?

It's crazy.

But

are you bullish on Bitcoin and Ethereum still?

I am.

You know, I have some predictions for that.

You want to hear them?

So right now we're floating around 100,000, you know, around there.

But here's the thing.

Every four years, there's a Bitcoin halving, right?

Where the mining difficulty becomes twice as hard.

And then we typically see a bull run.

Bitcoin first, usually Ethereum second, then alts and then a bunch of DGE and small stuff, right?

But Ethereum was kind of stalled out, you know?

And so we took, have seen some alts rise.

But here's the thing.

The biggest thing is the government, if they start buying Bitcoin and other crypto for strategic reserve, then of course, you know, our friends in China and Russia and all these other countries are going to be on this mad rush to buy, just like when they started accumulating gold, right?

But I think even with the Biden administration, there was a big blessing.

So, you know, Fidelity and BlackRock launched their ETFs, Bitcoin and Ethereum.

And that got approved while Gary Gensler was head of SEC and during the Biden administration.

So that's a blessing from the people who we thought didn't like crypto.

And here's the thing.

If you look at all those companies that dropped ETFs, they control almost over 20% of the SP 500.

So do you think the government is going to let BlackRock fail?

I mean, if BlackRock and Fidelity went insolvent, like we would be like an Armageddon for the U.S.

economy.

Yeah.

So being that those are there, it's pretty inevitable.

It's a garage banned mainstream.

And so my Bitcoin prediction, if we don't do a strategic reserve, it could be around 120 to 200,000 in that range.

We don't know, but within maybe by the end of the year, possibly.

If that strategic reserve launches, I mean, some of my friends and

our acquaintances are saying $400,000, a million dollars.

Kathy Woods, like over a million in this short window possibly Michael Saylor said that too

and it could have Larry Finks like what is he putting it out at 400,000 and he's the CEO of BlackRock right so he's probably super conservative on it yeah that's pretty crazy I mean BlackRock just bought some Ethereum today did you see that oh they're always buying oh well they bought another like

a huge chunk today oh man well for them it's nothing but yeah for us it's a lot so I don't know if it did it go up today uh ethereum's been going up the last couple days okay pretty significantly more way more than bitcoin yeah so they could be stocking up and other countries might have reserves too right if they if they follow our suit oh yes gold silver right bitcoin ethereum and uh you know ripple obviously is pretty hot right now i missed that one dude did you get on that one i've had ripple for like year like six seven years damn so diamond hand but it was crap it just floated sideways but i just kind of let it sit see and you have tokens right yeah but that's where people lose money when it when it's sideways they just sell yeah they freak out because they get bored right?

But you believed in the banking aspect of it, right?

That was always their goal.

That's what we, you know, thought would happen.

And really, the big thing that caused it from going up is the SEC had, you know, Gary's suing them.

So, with all this legal stuff clearing out, boy, that's that's really good opportunity.

Did Gary step down yet, dude?

Or is he still out?

He's out.

Thank God.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

He went after every U.S.

exchange, every U.S.

token.

I mean, he probably would have gone after Trump.

yeah you know if he's teaching at some college and uh

some big company is threatening to not give money to that college or anything unless they get rid of him really yeah because he made a lot of people like not he's not friends with a lot of people that he's suing you know i mean he let ftx happen too geez that was probably the biggest crypto scam of all time it's crazy you got diddy and sam sitting in the same cell maybe and luigi oh man yeah all three of them are no they're literally in the same prison that's crazy That's crazy.

I just had Tiffany Fong on.

She was talking about that.

Wow.

You also said the Bank of America CEO is interested in the space, right?

Yeah, so there's a big law change now where banks can, you know, do more custody for crypto.

So you're going to see probably Bank of America and every major bank now.

You're going to be able to deposit Bitcoins there just like you would, you know.

in your checking account with dollars.

So that's, that's pretty mainstream.

That's big, man, because I got banned.

You're banned?

Not from that one, but from another bank for using crypto.

Oh, yeah, we've done that.

We've had that problem too.

Like shopping for a bank to deal with crypto.

Everyone in crypto has dealt with it.

Oh, man.

Because once you get to a certain level in crypto, they just ban you.

Yeah.

Just for saying you use crypto.

Yes.

You know, it's like a big deal in the space, but clearing out.

We're all good.

Well, I got to hit up Chase then and see if they'll take me back.

Yeah.

I think we might have just taken a wire from Chase.

So in crypto?

U.S.

dollars, but if someone sends our hedge fund a wire and it says the word crypto in the receiving company,

then they're like, flag this thing.

That's why I got, I did a Zelle for some crypto and it got flagged.

Sucks.

And I had millions in revenue through that bank.

Man, so weird care, huh?

So weird.

And like 10 plus years of relationship.

You know what's crazy, dude?

We're like back in the late 90s.

It's like back to the future.

Remember, well, you were actually probably born.

I didn't watch that movie.

You were like little?

No, this was like real life.

Yeah, I was born in 97.

Yeah, so what the deal is, is back then, everybody said that the internet was a scam.

Oh, it's used for nefarious crap, all that.

And I remember speaking in Las Vegas at Comdex about, hey, the internet's the next thing.

Everyone's going to be buying everything there.

And now everybody is, right?

So imagine you had gotten involved with some of the stocks on the internet, Amazon, Facebook, when it was like 2008.

Some of the stuff early years when everyone was said, you know, it's kind of scammy.

But that's where we are with crypto right now.

So, you know, everyone's like, well, if I had only, but you're sitting in the what if I had only

right now.

So it would imagine getting an Nvidia or Microsoft or Amazon when they were new.

And that same similar opportunity chains happening.

With Ethereum, Solana,

Bitcoin, you just mean Bitcoin.

It's like Bitcoin's kind of huge.

So it's like Apple stock, right?

Bitcoin, you won't really get 100x at this point.

Yeah, not, yeah, it's already risen a lot yeah so at least timing wise depending when this podcast plays uh right now it's very beginning of 2025 and you know if our crystal balls were working we would see the bull run running through q3 q4

when does the the uh halving end this year well halving already happened a little over a year ago happened and so usually after that you start seeing uh bitcoin starting to rise within a year or so when we've already seen that it actually early ran um but now there's a good chance you're going to see a lot of the other tokens take a massive lift.

Do you think this will be the last bull run?

I don't think so.

And it may not follow the familiar four-year cycles anymore because the four-year cycles were, you know, were kind of like garage band, meaning that it was small, it was kind of a bunch of nerds working with it.

But now with BlackRock again and Fidelity, and if the government starts buying it, then it's just like everybody needs it.

It's kind of like when the iPhone first came out, you know, it was like Apple and they're okay.

They're pretty.

Yeah.

I feel like those didn't take off right away, right?

No, they had to kind of get traction, right?

I think my first one was the six.

Yeah.

Which model was your first one?

Three.

Oh, so you were in early.

3S or something?

Okay.

Yeah.

iPhone 3.

Wow.

That's the earliest I've heard since you've got one, honestly.

Good job.

Yeah.

Did you just like the tech behind it?

Oh, that's just cool.

You know, you get all your stuff in one and it makes life easy.

I feel like they haven't made any major changes, though.

It feels like the same thing, huh?

It feels like it, right?

Just a little bit.

They upgrade the camera a little bit, you know, little slight changes.

But now, did you see this AI one actually?

This AI update?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm playing with that.

Dude, it's, it's interesting.

I turned it off because it was a little invasive, but I think it's interesting.

It's spying on you.

Dude, I mean, I would get a paragraph text message and it would summarize it for me.

It's weird.

Without me even wanting that.

Yeah.

I just woke up one day when it was on.

I just don't want it having access to my messages and stuff.

So I turned it off, but I thought it was interesting.

Oh, but man, then you better remove TikTok and DeepSeek, man.

You think so?

Oh, yeah.

Because, you know, our long-lost relatives in China are probably reading everything.

I never knew what to believe with that stuff, dude.

You know?

I think they can access a lot of that.

But then again, our own government's probably able to access all our stuff, too.

Yeah.

So would you rather have Chinese governments knowing or your own?

Which one are you more scared of, I guess?

Well, our own government, because they'll probably,

you know, do, they can do whatever they want to do to you based on that.

Here in China, they don't care.

Maybe they're just measuring American patterns.

If it's like Elon Musk's iPhone or something, or Jeff Bezos, or the president's iPhone, that's concerning.

True.

I share the same philosophy.

I'm more scared of our government than China spying on us.

Yeah, they just, you know, they probably just want to be able to see what a lot of executives here are doing.

So, Jensen Wong and the stuff, what's going on in his iPhone, man?

Like, a little news about AI, and they kind of know the news before anyone knows the news?

Oh, insider trading, yeah, you know, dude.

There's sites that you could just copy Congress's uh stock trades, it is there, and you make like 40-50% a year, some of them, huh?

Some of them, yeah.

Just a lot of people copy Nancy Pelosi, she's not even the top one, no, she's number seven, really, yeah, she's just the most famous because she's an old lady.

There's other people higher than her, but they're like middle-aged men, I guess.

So, it's more plausible in people's eyes.

Yeah, but with Nancy, like, what is she, like 80 years old?

She's pretty old.

Yeah.

She just had a fall and stuff, and she's still trading.

She's in the hospital.

You know, like, come on.

That's wild.

I wonder if she has a crypto bag, huh?

I wouldn't be surprised.

She's got some good intel, you know.

She definitely will have one this time.

If they ban her from stock trading, she'll probably load up.

Yeah.

You think that ban will actually happen?

Uh, it could happen.

Uh,

but here's the interesting thing again, being that the president owns so much crypto and so many Congress members, I don't think crypto will be held down too much from that.

I feel that.

Now, obviously, you're in the computer space too.

Did you see the NVIDIA crash the other day?

Yes, because of DeepSeek.

Yeah, what'd you think of that?

You know, China came out with an AI model.

They said they developed for $5.5 million only.

And it's more powerful, right, than open AI, ChatGPT, and stuff.

But I believe they're lying.

And this is what I mean.

I believe they're actually doing one of two things.

One, they actually have super high-end GPUs that weren't allowed to be exported to China, but somehow they got their hands.

Or they're using it by proxy.

So they're just using cloud-based servers that are American servers to do that.

And how they got their code is they probably trained their model by interacting with OpenAI, right?

Wow.

With ChatGPT.

That'd be crazy.

But the Chinese copy us on everything.

Like if you come out with a phone, a car, or anything, then they got something.

They're so good at that.

Oh, man.

Dude, Rolexes are so like good.

like the fake ones are so good now you can't even tell yeah i saw this one chick she had this like she's like this hermes bag pro or something and she's like check out this bag and look at this 50 one bought from china and the buckles everything quality were like

so hard to tell i mean that's how good they are they're faking designer like so easily they call it one of one now because it literally is a replica dude that's crazy it's kind of scary i mean you know i still like nvidia though because look even if they have a better model they're gonna need chips to power it, right?

So it's like, they just made it more efficient.

Is there still a shortage?

I remember when I bought my computer off you, there was a massive shortage on chips, right?

Massive shortage on the new 50 series just came out and Blackwell, right?

NVIDIA's new AI servers

and

Meta and Amazon and Tesla.

They've all pre-ordered so much.

So pretty much right now, as fast as NVIDIA can pump out those

GPUs,

they're going to sell them.

Are they ordering that for the VR space mainly.

Primary AI.

AI processing.

Yeah, because that requires a lot, right?

A lot of processing.

Yeah.

And with crypto, we're not.

Back then, the demand was because people were mining with GPU, right?

But they're not.

Yeah.

And you used to be a miner.

Yeah.

In 2014, we built the biggest Bitcoin mining facility in Utah.

Crazy.

So that was when Bitcoin was what, like a couple hundred bucks?

Between through about our mining cost was about $350, $350 of Bitcoin.

So

pretty cheap.

Holy crap.

Imagine if we kept that running.

Oh, man.

Well, now the electricity, you know, too expensive and all the halvings.

Yeah.

No money.

You don't factor in the electricity cost, right?

Yeah, unless you have free electricity.

Which some governments have.

Yeah.

I think, was it El Salvador?

I know one place is doing it for free.

Some of them use like geothermal.

Yeah.

So they have like heat that's trapped underground, hot water, and you know, natural ways to do it.

But it'll be interesting to see how that shifts because everyone's been moving away from this whole heavy-duty mining thing to proof of stake, which means it's a different, it doesn't suck as much electricity.

Ethereum did that, right?

Yeah, it was supposed to lower the fees and it didn't.

Fees are still stupid.

I was so excited when they did that.

I thought the price would go up.

And then,

no,

there is so much money to be made, though, for young people.

We were just talking about before we started doing this as a, you know, all the meme coins and all the different things like that.

But you remember back in the NFT day, we were like way into that back in the day.

And meme coins, people are getting getting meme coin fatigue.

Meaning, right now, when meme comes, there's so many coming out.

There's like 3.8 million tokens now.

And back in the day, there was maybe, you know, a few hundred thousand.

Right.

And so being it's so easy for people to go like to that pumped out fund and just make their own token.

Um, it's just going up and down.

But I think people are getting kind of sick of that.

And so I do, I do see a lot of capital migrating actually out of memes into actual ecosystems, maybe into Solana itself, ripple things like that you might see more movement into I think so too because too many people are losing their ass I mean do you remember when everyone got nft fatigue yeah it was like borrowed yeah that space crash man I mean there was a metaverse fatigue too do you still have your any apes I still have my mutant ape yeah I have my mutant ape too dude I never sold a single nft to be honest yeah just keep them home i just was buying them to network with communities because each nft had a good community of thousands of people that were like if you bought the right nft they were high level people yeah So I just use NFTs as networking.

That's kind of the same thing, too.

I still have my mutant too.

Yeah.

I don't know what they're at now, but a couple like 2.3 Ethereum.

It's not bad compared to most projects.

Yeah.

Everyone, everything else other than that and penguins crashed.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

What a wild time.

NFTs.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

But like you say, if you're like on the internet every day, you have these opportunities.

Some people made a killing with NFTs.

People really need to dig into crypto right now because it's going to go mainstream, but it hasn't actually gone super mainstream.

If you take the average, if you take the whole U.S.

population, still a very small amount of people actually own a decent amount of crypto.

It's still like so small.

All of crypto right now, as of today, is what, about three and a half trillion?

Well, NVIDIA is three and a half trillion.

So all of crypto is like the size of one privately held private company.

I mean, it is like the early stages still.

That's true.

So people that aren't getting involved, I think they're crazy.

Yeah.

Well, NVIDIA is number one now, though, right?

For stocks

of market cap.

It switches.

Well, they got their butts kicked for, you know, 17% in a day from DeepSeek.

And I think Microsoft's at the end of the day.

But it switches, right?

Yeah.

Either way, the fact that

they blew up from three years ago.

Oh, yeah.

Insane.

If you got in Nvidia, you're up a lot.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

10 grand, I think, invested in 2019.

I was talking on another podcast in 19 about it.

About a few weeks ago, four, a little 15% adjustment would be worth over $400,000.

Holy crap.

That's crazy.

You know how people freak out when crypto drops?

Like they freak out, right?

Yeah.

I don't know if people know this, but Amazon and Apple in the year 2000, within the year, dropped over 70%.

Wow.

That's high for a stock, especially a public stock like that.

Yeah, but remember back when the internet was earlier, people thought it was kind of not, you know, so for sure, just like they feel about crypto right now.

So it's like.

Yeah.

I remember Meta after the metaverse flop kind of tanked, right?

Yeah, a little bit.

And then it really ran up, right?

Yeah.

What caused it to run up again?

Oh, well, they're making money from ads, right?

It's hard to bet against Duck dude.

And now he's making the right move, sucking up to Trump, I think.

He's getting all buffed now.

He's got a chain on.

Whoever did his rebrand.

They need to be paid more because he did well with it.

And getting on Joe Rogan, smart dude.

Yeah, getting on Rogan, being more personable you know he was like a robot before yeah like five years ago like a lizard a lizard robot there are theories of that yeah um do you believe in diversification i do um you're talking about within crypto or all things no just like investing in general yeah i think we've talked about this for years right for over seven years i'm like hey when we make a lot of money during bull runs I've always said to you, man, like sell some of that and move to some boring cash flowing assets like in real estate.

Yeah.

And real estate's not super exciting, but when you get really old, it's nice to have a bunch of it.

And you just get your wire every month, and you got your property management company taking care of it.

And, you know, they're not making a whole bunch more land.

And, you know, real estate is, well, as long as humans are here, we're going to kind of need it, right?

Yeah.

That's something I've learned.

That's a different business of life, just like, because I'm good at making money, but keeping it and investing it and growing it, that's a whole nother business.

Yeah, real estate is great.

Equities, the stocks, obviously, things like that.

And, you know still just about every month this sounds crazy i go to the coin store and i buy one ounce of gold really yeah one ounce of gold i got some gold too people thought this was crazy but when i first started buying gold in the year 2000 it was 325 an ounce and now it's what like 2670 really yeah so eight x yeah and what year did you buy it i started in 2020.

wait so 25x

It's been pretty good.

Yeah.

Holy crap.

But inflation's been really crappy, too.

So true.

If you filter that in, it's probably easier to,

you know,

man, yeah, but real estate, I'm liking more and more.

When I was younger, I was like, this is too slow for me.

Yeah, but now that I want to have kids and stuff, I want something a little more safe and steady.

Yeah, and then when you have your cash flow from real estate, you can take some of that and invest it in speculative stuff like crypto.

Crypto is super risky, right?

But, you know, if you have good cash flow, then you can sleep good.

And remember, we talked about emotions being the biggest problem people have with stocks or crypto or anything.

Yeah.

If you have that constant cash flow,

you have a lot less emotional swing.

Facts, because then you're not relying on that, right?

Yeah.

Because that's where people overleverage their portfolios, I think.

Yeah, they used to get too greedy too fast.

And, but here's the thing.

Think about this.

If you bought Bitcoin or if you bought Apple stock or if you bought a piece of real estate, even if you didn't buy at the ultimate low, and you were five years patient, usually you did okay.

And so the five years patient rule, I like to apply to most assets.

That's a good rule.

Same thing with a business.

Like, some people are like, I'm not making money my first year.

It's like, dude, give it light.

Give it in time.

Yeah, two, three years at least, right?

Oh, yeah.

A lot of times you're losing money hard in the beginning.

Oh, yeah.

I was.

I'm sure you were with Zydax, right?

Oh, yeah.

Anything in the beginning, losing hard.

And even when things get good and they build momentum, you have those years where there's a crash in the market or whatever.

And you lose money for a couple of years.

And

it's long term, but it's still long term.

Are you still pretty optimistic about the PC gaming space?

Is that still doing well?

I think gaming's taking an interesting new

big surge now.

Maybe when Grand Theft Auto 6 comes out one day.

But whenever there's a big refresh in video cards, we just did this new 50 series from NVIDIA, big demand cycle.

But with computers, though, you know, you have AI, which is just massive.

And you need good computing power.

And most jobs going forward, a lot of jobs now are just content creation.

Yeah.

Like you creating content or people editing it.

And you need computers to content, create, and entertain.

I need a lot of storage these days, dude.

Holy crap.

We got 1400 episodes.

Oh, geez.

1080p.

Some of them are in 4K.

So it's a lot of storage.

We'll get you like three or four 22-terabyte drives.

That's what I need, man.

Yeah.

Dude, I got AI companies offering stupid money for that.

those episodes really yeah that's awesome yeah but i'm not gonna do it no i don't want to be cloned yet it's so tempting though like when i see the money oh they want to buy your face no they want to buy all the data so they could train their own ai models because there's going to be ai podcasts in the future yes i thought they wanted to buy your face so they could ai you into digital clone digital twin yeah i've done that it's not fully there yet but i could see that being a big business is the is the mouth out of sync and kind of like a little bit yeah serious look at but that that's an interesting business model to clone yourself and then charge people to talk to you or whatever That's actually pretty good, especially if you're getting old.

You see a lot of these actors and actresses getting old.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, if I pass away, I could license that to my kids and they could sell it.

They could keep the money.

Like, that's interesting, right?

Yeah, that would be talk about legacy.

They could even like, can't they license like Michael Jackson and Elvis and all that?

Yeah, there's there's the states that have their rights and they probably licensed it out by now, I assume, to AI companies.

That's pretty crazy.

I wouldn't be surprised.

You'll probably see them in movies in the future.

Yeah.

You know?

Movies are actors are going towards AI.

Absolutely.

So not just the writing part,

the actors.

Wow.

Isn't that nuts?

That's crazy.

That's the most expensive part of a movie.

Yeah.

That is true.

So you're just going to see someone's face, but it won't be them.

That's crazy.

Yeah, it's nuts.

The future is going to be interesting.

Are you going to get a humanoid robot in your house?

An optimist?

Yeah.

I mean, I'll probably pre-order, you know, but I'm still waiting for my Tesla Roadster.

It's been five more than five years.

So

I think Elon needs to get that thing out.

And did you put a deposit on that?

It was a referral program.

So if you send a bunch of people, they gave you a super discount and a reserve spot.

Okay.

So did they put out the Cybertruck before that?

Yeah.

That's interesting.

I love it, though.

I bought one.

Did you get a Cybertruck yet?

I have a three.

I am no longer going to be driving electric, though.

Really?

Yeah.

Are you worried about the electrical?

Yeah.

Have you done any research on that?

Yeah, I heard a lot of it's when you're sitting, if you're sitting there while it's charging, you're cooking yourself.

That's the worst, yeah.

But have you taken your Tesla on a super long drive before?

Usually just around the city.

I don't go.

So you'll be fine.

I take the gas serve for a long drive.

Yeah, you'll drive to Vegas, take the Jeep.

The problem is when you're in there all day type stuff and charging your phone and charging your car.

And there's videos of EMF meters being held up to it.

Oh, man.

Fries you.

You don't want to do that.

That's like watching your burrito cook in a microwave.

Yeah, I got rid of my microwave, too.

Oh, no.

You could get extreme with this stuff, dude.

Are you extreme now?

I'm borderline.

Are you living on air and almonds?

no there's brian johnson levels of extreme i never want to be there but like he sleeps at the same time every day and you could live like a robot but i don't want to be there ever yeah i want to still have fun gotta have some fun but i want to be healthy too so i'm like a little extreme i'd say what about you uh yeah same thing you know been trying to eat grass finished meats right yeah some people would say that's extreme yeah and you know a lot of grass finished meats still eat some veggies and stuff try not to eat sugars too much right and try to move around at least 30 minutes a day get i mean yeah some people say that's extreme some people would say just being an entrepreneur you know our lifestyle is extreme some people would say being in crypto is extreme man but check this out i got this shirt 2014 and it shows that god gave us maybe bitcoin that's so cool dude

do you have any theories on who invented bitcoin aliens no

uh i It's really tough to say, you know, with that.

Probably some just coding nerd guy, you know.

A lot of people think the government invented it.

I've seen that one.

You know, it's hard to say.

I have heard allegedly that the government has a large wallet, like underground wallet.

Really?

Yeah.

They just have a huge bag.

Huge bag.

They're even going to have a huger bag.

I mean, yeah, that's just the public one, but I'm saying I heard they have some huge bags behind the scenes.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, look at how the government is spending.

Maybe the Satoshi bag.

Yeah, it could be.

I have heard a theory of one of there was three founders.

One of them's dead.

Two of them are still alive.

So who knows?

It's hard to know.

I wonder if it'll ever be revealed.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe Trump will reveal.

Imagine if he started it that, and uh, or maybe Elon, you know, yeah, I wonder if Elon's uh, he has Doge, right?

Yeah, is he big in other coins?

You think he hasn't talked too much about what he owns, he loves to talk about Doge, yeah, but he did what was it, something Maximus, Gluteus Maximus, or some weird.

He changed his name to that on X, and some random random crap coin just freaking ran.

And it was because it had the same name,

which was kind of funny.

They're doing that with Trump's speeches now.

If he says a certain word or if something's in the background, they'll launch a coin.

Oh, it's straight D-Gen stuff.

But that was just like NFTs.

Remember, they'd NFT everything?

Yeah.

Like pictures of actors.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

I'll do it.

I still got my McLaren NFT.

I've still got mine too.

It's probably at 0.01.

Probably.

I just did that as a, again, a networking thing.

Yeah.

You know, I have a lot of weird things I bought, and it's all fun.

It's like collectibles, though.

Yeah.

It's all funky.

I got like 600 Funko Pops.

Oh, I have some of those.

I have some.

I still have your dinosaurs.

Chibis.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I'm going to start collecting ancient coins, too.

Physical?

Physical.

Ancient coins.

There's a coin shop here in Utah called All About Coins.

And they have crazy ancient coins.

In fact, they had a cross that you open up and inside were the ashes of some saint.

What?

Yeah, dude.

Whoa.

Yeah, and you go there.

I bought a signed, authenticated Brigham Young, which is a Mormon leader guy,

thing there, a photo in a frame for a friend, but they've got like Mormon money from the original Pioneers.

You're talking like 300,000 a coin.

Dude.

And you can just go look at it.

You guys got them there.

That's historic.

I definitely want to stop.

Is that in Salt Lake?

Yeah, all about coins.

You're going to love me.

I love history, dude.

Oh, dude.

Yeah, I got got George Washington's hair in my office.

Really?

Yeah.

I got old books.

Go to all about coins.

You're going to find the weirdest,

you know.

I think sometimes you'll even find like a shrunken head, like a human skull.

That's wild.

Yeah, I got some old Roman coins.

Shout out to Kinzer Coins.

He's giving me some cool stuff.

Crazy stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That stuff.

When you hold it, it just feels special, you know?

It is special.

Yeah.

Well, dude, it's been core work.

Where can people buy a computer off you, keep up with you, and get crypto?

So zidex, x-id-a-x.com, You want to buy stuff.

But if you just go to Dan's Millionaire Code on Instagram, I love that compared to any other platform.

Dan's Millionaire Code, and I answer all my messages.

You got crazy questions.

I got to queue them up, but

I'm here to help.

Cool.

We'll make yourself a love.

Thanks for coming on, brother.

Thanks, man.

Peace, guys.

Smoke.