The Mindset That Builds Unstoppable Entrepreneurs | Shawn Meaike DSH #1212

So I was 97 pounds.

Holy crap.

I graduated at 195.

I got 100 pounds in four years.

Damn.

But I graduated at 17.

So I was real young as a freshman.

I didn't even think about going through puberty.

And I was just like walking around.

Didn't even realize.

I realized how small I was compared to them as they started to mature and stuff.

But I mean, football, dude, that's a bloodbath.

I got knocked around everywhere.

All right, guys.

Sean Mike is back.

Same name as me.

Let's do this.

100%, man.

Yes, sir.

Is this part two or part three?

Part three, bro.

Let's go.

Yeah.

Little three, Pete.

Little three, Pete, dude.

Nothing wrong with a three-peat.

What's new?

You just went to the inauguration, right?

Inauguration.

I had never been to one.

You know, it's funny because it was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable to see.

You were there, right?

I didn't.

I left the day before.

Okay.

So

go, you pull up and like you can't get within a mile because security and everything.

And I'm thinking to myself, how many people can be waiting outside?

Cause it's like really freaking cold.

Yeah.

And to see tens of thousands of people waiting in line.

And you start like talking to them because that was really cool.

Like you're waiting in line and you're doing that.

And we didn't have to wait in line.

We're going to go around and get in.

It was cool.

But inside, it was just like, it was an excitement.

I think I like to, no matter who's there, who believes in what, I'm a big fan of, I like discussions.

So I'd have gone no matter who.

Oh, you would have went if Kamala once?

Hell yeah.

There's some people like you would have gone.

I'm like, dude, I like experiencing things.

I don't have to be.

And you have to understand while I voted for Trump, I'm all about what's happening with the country.

I'm all about where we're going.

I'm an entrepreneur, all that.

Would I have gone and celebrated it?

But I like to see, I like to take all that shit in.

I want to hear what people say.

I'm not going to scream and yell and argue with them all day long, but I appreciate different opinions.

What I don't appreciate is people saying, I can't have a different opinion because I appreciate your different opinion.

I want you to appreciate mine.

So I had never gone and I was going to go to experience either way.

Now, in fairness, I knew Trump was going to win for a while now, and I didn't know he was going to win in a landslide, but I knew he was going to win.

So it made it probably easier for me to want to go.

And obviously, I was a hell of a lot more excited to go that.

Oh, yeah.

The energy there was.

Oh, my God.

The people, but just to listen to the people.

You know, I was talking to a guy and I said, bro, why are you so excited?

And he's like, this is going to be the hardest four years of my life.

And I said, why?

And he said, I've been, I've always been proud to be an American.

And I felt like I was being told that I shouldn't be proud to be an American.

And he's like, And I'm not a very

confrontational person.

Yeah, he's like, So, I just really just kind of didn't say anything for four years.

And he's like, What about you?

I'm like, I'm pretty confrontational, and I don't give a shit and I don't seek it out, but like, I'm just like, I believe what I believe in.

I'm gonna have my opinion either way.

So, I guess, but I thought I didn't experience what he experienced, it didn't affect me like that for four years.

I was like, Dude, I'm still gonna live my life and talk about what I'm talking about.

But he felt like he just couldn't, you know, it's funny going to the DC airport and you're like, How how many people were had all their trump gear on but if this was a year ago try to go any of those cities dc try to be in new york dude you find somebody walking with a mega hat on people would be screaming at him y'all and videotaping it yeah so it's just it's just it was different and we're supposed to be free and i just think it's a i think everything that we have always celebrated about america is is back yeah exciting yeah the times have changed but like you said a lot of it's perspective dude yeah like even though it was those four years under biden and kamala i didn't didn't really get affected the way I see it.

Correct.

I was still doing my thing.

Me too.

But you really so many people got affected.

And I think that's what I felt bad.

Like, you know, and also, you know, they work their job.

They're really, really, really proud of the country they live in.

They're trying to raise some kids.

And I also don't have any school-age kids.

And I didn't realize that either.

When you start talking to some of these parents, and they're like, I'm like, you know what?

That didn't, that didn't affect me.

My kids are all grown.

So to have to deal with that in the school system, I wasn't dealing with talking to my kids about a guy playing on my daughter's team.

That was never a conversation or who goes to what bathroom.

I never had to experience that.

And had I had to, I think it would have affected me.

So it really gave me some perspective there too.

Yeah, I could see you as a parent standing up.

I know you're big on sports too.

You better definitely speak out against that.

Let me be clear.

If some dude was competing against my daughter, the dude that helped make that person would be the dude I'd be talking to.

Like,

I'm not mad at you.

I love you.

I want everybody to be okay.

But your kid is not going to be, I wouldn't let my son go do that.

You know, so yeah, I would definitely have stood up.

That's for damn sure.

They put an end to that stuff, right?

Yeah.

You signed a lot of orders already.

100%.

You released the JFK stuff, I think, today.

I can't wait to read that tonight in bed.

That's going to be content for the week, you know?

That'll be a lot of content for you.

You never run out of content with Trump in office.

No, he's a machine.

He's polarizing.

So there's always going to be debate around him.

Yes, he is.

And I think that was the thing, even listening to him talk, you know, like, like, I think i've always respected people that are bold regardless if i agree with them or not um because if if not what's the worst now is like

people that they don't stand for nothing right now all of a sudden it's like no i'm good and it's like well you were so upset before and you hated him so bad but now like my opinion of people is my opinion i just because i didn't vote for biden i didn't i didn't go man i'm excited i was like kind of what you said dude i'm gonna live my life yeah and that's part of just being a businessman or businesswoman is like, you're in control of your own shit.

Right.

It's the government, like, whatever.

They're going to come up with things.

Were there things I had to navigate for four years?

Absolutely.

But you had to navigate them.

It was, what are you going to do?

Like, that's an immovable force.

Now, what can you do?

Don't beat your head against an immovable force.

That's when you quit things.

Right.

You can't go anywhere.

You know, facts.

It's that victim mindset, right?

Because obviously stuff's going to pop up.

Of course it is.

How you choose to react to it.

And that's where a lot of people fold, I think.

Man,

it's sad actually because you know at some point in time in your life you just got to stand up you know and just sometimes it's taking an ass kicking and then getting back up and going like that sucked let me figure it out most everybody wants to avoid that their entire lives yeah and then i don't know man you i meet a lot of folks that are in different phase their lives you know and in in their 70s 80s and later and you're like

If they've not been through anything, man, sometimes you're like, how much did you experience?

And it's kind of sad.

because i think if they could go back and stand up at the times whatever their whatever the confrontation was the fight the difficulty and not just become the victim i think they'd probably they'd probably change it the pain of regret seems pretty nasty yeah because you talked to a lot of elderly in your space obviously yeah man i did it as a social worker and i did it on selling life insurance but i met with a lot of folks as a social worker and and you know me and me and your guy out there were just talking he's like i didn't realize how much wisdom i was going to get from people in this in this space because he deals a lot of a lot of you know elderly folks in his business and it's true man they've been through a lot good bad or indifferent and they're usually in a phase in their lives where they're like they're done fronting or lying they're just kind of they're not pretending to be anything they're not they're just like here's what i've done in my life here's what i would probably do differently here's where i'm at and um you know a lot of them i think if they could have chosen to continue along that path, it would have been harder.

I think they would have.

Yeah.

That's cool, though, to have that no regrets mentality at a younger age, right?

It's, it's, it's, it's like bliss, bro.

Like it's the greatest thing in the world.

Like, you're going to make mistakes, but you've done everything you can do and you don't back down from shit.

You know, you never take a step backwards.

That's the, yeah, man.

I think that's a, you know, I was an old football coach, and that's why I love, you know, that's what, like, he was my linebacker's coach.

He said, the only time you're wrong is when you're going backwards.

Move laterally, move forwards.

Your job ain't that hard.

We ain't letting you cover nobody down the field.

You ain't that fast.

Just hit this person, you know, but don't go backwards.

I love the simple advice, but

you could apply that to life, right?

Not just football.

That's why I like sports a lot.

Because it parallels life.

100%.

Sports, poker, there's a lot.

Like I was a distance runner and that mindset that I got from distance running to be able to endure running five, 10 miles a day.

I mean, I use that every day at this point.

Of course you do, dude.

And how you feel with doing it, getting through it, the sense of accomplishment.

That's the thing about working out.

People are like, yeah, dude, I just like doing something every morning that I don't necessarily love to do.

Like, I don't mind doing it, but I don't wake up and like jump up and down.

If I could wake up and do something business-related that has an awesome result, or wake up and work out for an hour and a half, I'd rather do the business deal.

But I start by doing this, I don't really want to do it, and then I get through it, and then I feel on top of the mother-effing world and then I go conquer everything else.

Yeah, like I just, it's just that, like you said, that competitive nature, you don't ever want to lose it.

I love it, man.

So that's non-negotiable for you working out every day.

Every day.

Wow.

It's more emotionally too, but seven days a week.

Damn, no days off.

No, you wonder why.

First of all, don't 52.

You know what I mean?

I'm just saying, like, you, you, you get to be, you, you in your 20s, you can take days off in your 30s, you can take, you know, I read something a long time ago said at 35, everything starts to slow down and reverse itself a little bit.

And I don't know if it's psychological or not, but I got to the point at 35 and I was like, man, it does.

It changes.

So for me, you know, sometimes something happens that I'm on a plane early or doing something else and maybe I have to take a day off.

But I was sitting there talking to Dave Goggins about that one day.

And he's like, he's like, I don't take any days off because life might give me a time to take a day off.

And I'm like, okay, I'm not taking days off either.

And if that fool can run 100 miles with broken legs, I can go work out if I'm sore.

You know, so every day.

And it makes me feel just emotionally.

It's probably the, that's probably the bigger battle than the physical.

I want to be healthy, but emotionally, my mind is jacked up if it's a couple of days in a row that I don't go work out.

Do you feel like you have good control over your emotions for the most part?

Yes.

That's important, right?

Very.

Yeah, a lot of young guys do not have control.

I see it in basketball and pickup.

They just lose their shit.

You know,

and then everybody owns you.

You know, a man in control of his emotions is dangerous in a good way.

You know, when I lose my, when I'm frustrated or I'm angry, I'm like, dude, I intentionally didn't lose myself.

I wanted to make a point to you about where I was at.

But why would I ever let you get inside my head and control my emotions?

You lose control of your emotions when you give somebody else the keys.

You don't take the keys yourself and turn it on and jack it up.

You're like, here, here are the keys.

You said something.

I missed a shot.

I didn't do something.

Also, it's lack of accountability.

You lose your emotions.

How about playing ball?

I coached basketball for years.

I'm like, dude, why are you mad?

You missed the shot.

Like, why are, what do you, you missed the shot.

You did.

What the fuck are you mad at them for?

Who cares?

You don't know who they are.

That guy in the stance, he never played either.

What do you care?

And that guy that you're talking to, he's better than you.

So now you need to learn.

That was our deal.

Try to get in people's heads.

That's what I loved about basketball.

That's why I love coaching basketball because these kids were older.

They're all, you know, 16, 17, 18, 19.

You're playing travel ball.

You're coaching.

Basketball coaching is unlike anything else because you're in the game.

I'm here and you're there.

You're a player.

Like, I'm this close to you on the other team.

That doesn't happen in baseball.

You're in a dugout.

You're near your team, but you're not near their team and in football you're on your own sidelines unless some dude comes on your sideline on occasion and he's got a helmet on nobody can hear what anybody's saying but basketball i can be walking out you can be warming up and i'm like why are you shooting that you're like i'm like four stop shooting that you're never going to make it

and they're talking to me i'm like i don't care like i ain't even playing keep shooting let him shoot let him shoot all day long But also, I wanted them to be mad at me over the kids I had because the kids I had were sometimes a little bit intimidated with the groups we went into and how big the group was, the fans, the audience, how rowdy it is.

Basketball is unlike anything else.

It's my favorite sport.

Yeah, and I couldn't know less about it.

Like, I know so much about football and baseball.

I know I learned about basketball, but dude,

it motivated me because of just the environment and how real it is.

The shit talking resembled life to me.

Because in baseball, you're not even supposed to talk shit.

Like, it's like somehow it's a violation of the game or the rules.

Yeah.

I mean, that's, there was an article a long time ago.

Um,

how that kid's name now.

I forget.

Oh, Trevor Bauer.

No, not Bauer.

He's a trip.

Um, the kid is with the, he's with the Phillies now, the left-handed hitter.

I'll forget.

I'll remember later.

I'm thinking about it.

But he was on sport.

I think it was ESPN magazine, something.

And they said, what is your biggest issue?

He goes, people are going to stop watching baseball.

It's boring.

He said, I take my bat, flip it three, four times after I hit a home run, Harper, Bryce Harper.

Oh, okay.

And you're like, he's like, everybody's mad at me.

He's like, dude, that's entertaining.

And also, I'm excited.

I did something that's amazing.

I hit a a ball that was going 98 miles an hour that moved nine inches, spinning like a top, and I smoked it and hit it 400 feet.

Why should I not be excited?

So it's discouraged.

It's like an old school, like, you don't do that.

It's like, dude, that was 100 years ago.

Like, we don't do that in anything else in life.

We don't go like, well, 100 years ago in business, you didn't do that.

Like, dude, nobody's watching.

Nobody cares.

Yeah.

You know, and even the NBA, like you said, with that, with the basketball, dude, like, don't, you know, that whole flopping and this and that.

Like, be accountable.

100%.

I agree.

The NBA's ratings are at an all-time low.

This

is because they're giving technical technical fouls for just talking shit.

Dude,

how old are you?

27.

Okay.

So have you watched clips of like the Pistons and all them back in the day?

I've seen clips, yeah.

Okay.

So I grew up watching that.

Like you were going to games and looked like Jordan was getting like literally physically assaulted, punched.

I mean, brutal.

But back then, you did, like, that was just the way you played.

Yeah.

And you watched Bill Lambert like jump up and elbow people in the mother-ass head, you know, and spit at each other and cut.

And you're like, dude, it was.

First of all, you knew they cared.

That's the other thing I think that's happened with all this, all these, all this AU shit is everybody's everybody's friend.

You know, like when we grew up, we played at a high school.

You were at a different high school.

We competed.

You went to college.

I went to college.

We competed.

We never played in the same team.

Like if it was an all-star team, it was like one game, but we didn't leave our high school team.

We played with our high school teammates.

over the summer.

But now it's like with all these travel, everybody knows everybody.

So now all of a sudden you get here and it's like, well, I played with him and I played.

Well, dude, you're on our team now.

It don't matter if you, I don't care if that's your best friend or your biological brother.

He ain't on our team.

And it's like, you know, and you're right.

With the, you know, who doesn't want to see people talking shit?

It's theater.

People are excited.

And most of the people don't even know what's happening in the basketball court anyway.

They're either hot dog watching popcorn or they want to be entertained.

You give them popcorn, you yank out the entertainment.

Of course, people aren't going to show up.

Yeah, it's lost that physical nature.

And I think other sports, you should be allowed to talk because I used to love tennis, but now you get penalized for talking in tennis.

Same with chess, you know, same with basketball.

Yeah, you can't talk during chess.

Really?

And I love chess because when I play with my friends, I'm talking shit.

Like I'm getting in their head.

Like you said, it's a mental game, too.

You're not allowed to say anything.

Can't say anything or you get disqualified.

For real?

Yeah.

For chess.

Like, you should be allowed to try to get into people's head.

You know, it's a sport.

It's a competition.

You know, the physical nature of the sport's one side of the game, but the mental side, like you said, with basketball, it's really evident because you see these guys warming up pre-game, they don't miss a shot,

not one shot.

And then you see them in the game that can't make a free throw.

Well, that's the other thing, too.

It's funny because you get a tech or something late.

And one time, the guy said to me, Why don't you ever let my son shoot the technical fouls?

He's the best free throw shooter on the team.

And I said, No, your son's the best free throw shooter on the team when the game's not on the line.

And he is.

If we're up 20, down 20, he's going to make both of them.

And if the crowd's okay.

But in a hostile environment, I'll let this kid shoot.

He's 15%

lower than your kid.

But when the game's in line, he don't change at all.

He actually does a little bit better.

He wants me.

It's like you hand the ball and you look at the kid's eyes and you're like, nope, nope, nope.

And then there's that one kid going, give me the fucking ball.

Yeah.

Like, I want the ball.

Same with pitching, baseball.

You go to the bullpen, you're like, who did it?

Well, this kid's dying to get in.

Sometimes you're like, hey, bro, you pitched way too much and you're always excited and you're not as good as everybody else.

But a lot of times you're like, no, he wants in.

That's the thing in life.

The guy or girl that just wants in all the time, dude, I want in.

Like, who's in?

I'm in.

What are we doing?

Don't even know I'm in.

Got any volunteers?

I'm in.

You know, we did this little reality show.

It was great.

And one of the first deals was you had to like volunteer.

You know what you're volunteering for.

It ended up being, they were sparring, but we had this kid come in.

He's a UFC former champion.

Charles Rose is a great guy.

And it was boxing for a couple rounds.

And again, he wasn't going to like murder anybody, but you had to land or he lands the point.

But it was the people that were like, I'm in.

And you're like, dude, you don't even know what it is.

I know that I'm in.

And then some of the kids, I'm like, dude, this is what's going to happen.

Have you don't want your first fight?

He's not going to hurt you, but you've never been a fight in your life.

It looks like you're terrified in your eyes.

Let's, let's, you don't have to do this.

I don't want you to be out this early.

Like, okay, thanks.

And then some of you are like, oh, he's dumb enough to just do it.

That's what I like.

Sometimes we look in people's eyes and there's nothing.

Those are my guys.

Like, what's going on in there?

You're like, I don't think anything is.

Meaning, he don't give a shit about nothing.

He don't seem scared.

I don't even know if he's smart enough to be scared.

But he's in.

He's on our team.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Those guys are dangerous.

Yeah, you can tell a lot with the eye.

Body.

Crazy's good, dude, as long as you can contain it.

Yeah, that's the trick, right?

You can contain it because sometimes they'll go the other way.

Oh,

it's a bloodbath.

Yeah, I'm sure you've had to fire some people.

Plenty of them.

Way too many.

And it's tricky when they're top salespeople, too, I bet.

That's hard, man.

But, you know, you're crazy.

Can't hurt everybody else.

You know, and now there's levels, right?

You're like, okay, he's, you know, talking about coaching basketball.

Sometimes my son would say, like, why is he still on the team?

He scores 25 points a game.

He's paying the ass.

I'm like, oh, he's paying the ass, but he scores 25 points a game.

Yeah.

He's good.

He's a good rebounder, handles the ball well.

We're going to hope that some of these other things change.

If they don't, they don't.

And if we have to do something, eventually we will.

What if he scored two points a game?

No, I wouldn't have on the team.

That's not fair.

No, that is fair.

That's life.

You only got eight kids.

So don't be absent and expendable at the same time.

So if you're having results, there's a little bit of leeway.

But then there's a line.

You get too crazy.

You're like, okay, dude, I got to take him off the team.

Like, he's going to harm somebody.

Agreed, yeah.

Literally.

you still coaching any sports, or all your kids are grown up now, right?

They're grown, dude.

I miss it, though, man.

Like, I do.

That's one thing I will tell you.

I freaking miss immensely.

Like, I do some stuff with the FAU football program in Boca.

I got my buddy Chris Carter.

I do a podcast with him, and he's one of the coaches there.

And I'm involved with them.

Just, just, I like just being involved, but I, damn, I miss it.

I miss coaching football, basketball, baseball.

It was some of the greatest times I've ever had to watch other people and be there for them, you know, whether they're having their.

I mean, dude, I'm, I can remember games that these guys played 15 years ago, and I can vividly remember them.

That's impressive, man.

So you really were passionate about that.

Yeah, man.

Where do you rank coaching in terms of difficulty?

Because a lot of people say it's one of the toughest jobs on a professional level.

Man, you mean being a professional coach or being a professional coach, yeah.

Well, first of all,

it's insanely complicated.

I rank at the difficulty levels off the charts, but also it's one of those things where, let's even take college nowadays.

Imagine being the guy in charge that makes a million a year.

And then everybody else you're coaching makes more than you.

And in today's world, and in that world, a lot of times, it's like, who's making the most?

Well, damn, the dude there is making the least, and he's allegedly in charge.

If a guy makes 20 million a year to play basketball and the coach makes 3 million, the dude making 20 million is in charge.

Coach is not, he's kind of in charge, but they ain't going to, if they're partnering with one of these two, it ain't going to be this dude.

So he's got to appease this guy because this guy's in charge.

And they go, he's a player's coach.

Well, dude, almost all the professional coaches are nowadays.

Like the Raiders just hired, what's his name back?

Pete Carroll.

Oh, they did?

Yeah, they hired Pete Carroll.

And you go like, what's it?

Well, everybody says it's a player's coach.

Like Dolphins coach, Mike McDaniel.

I didn't have this discussion with Chris Carter.

He's like, he's great.

I'm like, but you know what?

Players seem to like him, but then eventually you've got to win too.

Now, if a fight breaks out or we're trying to get excited about something, I'm not calling Mike McDaniel to get me excited if I'm a football player.

I'm just not.

I'm sorry, but he's smart.

People like him.

I think it's really complicated to juggle all of that.

I think amateur coaching is

such bliss because, dude, they want to be there.

They're not being paid.

So we just coached in high school, some of the travel stuff we did, man, and even some of the travel teams we had, dude, I paid their way.

I liked hungry, broke kids.

But guess what?

I paid your way.

So I'm like, hey, ma.

He's on the team as long as he shows up, competes.

But if he don't play well, I want y'all to to understand, I'm not paying from, like, I'm paying.

Y'all got to pay nothing.

My single mom couldn't afford to put me in anything, but he's got to now go ahead and do his job.

Deliver, yeah.

Yeah, deliver, you know, as opposed to, you know, you're making X amount of dollars and everybody thinks you got to play this kid or play that kid.

So I think

it's really hard.

I don't know how some of these guys do on the professional level because there's a few of them that have a lot of respect.

Look at Andy Reid and those guys love him.

But if you talk about, talk to some of these guys in the league, they love him because he knows their deal.

He talks to them.

He knows their life.

He's just a connector and people really love that about him if you listen to these guys talk that's why my homes those guys all love him like he's a connector you know and they know that he loves on them he's been through shit in life too with his sons right so i think that they have that as well so you hear them talk about like no andy's been through it man and he's still here for us so but i think the rest of him's really hard man and also

i mean you look at the national championship this year I actually believe, even though people argue with me, Ohio State, I think Dave was going to get fired had he not made the championship.

Think about that.

Like, you could literally get in the college playoffs, but they're like, no, he didn't beat Michigan.

He didn't win this game over here and he didn't do that.

But he also is getting, you know, these guys are getting paid 20 million.

And a lot of them are.

So now all of a sudden you're on top of the world one day.

You have one loss.

You lose to Michigan.

It's like the world's over.

One game, which didn't end up meaning.

I mean, they won the national championship anyway, but it's just, dude, that's a very, you know, loveless business.

They love you or they hate you, bro.

Yeah.

And then everybody's at you anyway.

And then these guys aren't playing.

I couldn't coach anything professionally.

Not that I'm qualified to do it.

I just couldn't do it.

And then I couldn't do it because, you know, I just don't know how you win that battle.

You got an owner worth as much as he or she's worth.

Then you got a gentleman dropping there somewhere.

Don't have to deal with the players.

Then you got the coach who doesn't make near as much.

Like he's much more expendable than they are.

And if you go at it with the players and they got to pick between you and the players, they're going to pick the players.

Right.

The good ones.

So now that you're not in charge, how do you navigate a bunch of people, make them happy, challenge them a little bit, the professionals, make in-game decisions, think about the star players and how you don't piss him off, and then make sure that the relationship between that triangulation of you, the general manager, the owner, and then like, what do you do when the owner is like a Jerry Jones?

When the owner is with the players anyway.

You can't, you have no shot.

Like everybody's like, is Deion going to be coaching the Cowboys?

I don't ever see how Jerry Jones ever sets his ego aside unless Deion come in.

Ever.

You know what I mean?

Because he's Jerry Jones.

But imagine coaching knowing that any one of those players call Jerry and be like, I don't like the way this is going down.

I mean, you're literally just, you know.

It's tough, man.

It's got to be tough.

I think the average 10 years is like one or two years at the pro level.

I wouldn't want to do it, dude.

I just, you know, I think for me, I think even when you coach, like when you, like, even through high school, people always say, what did you enjoy the most?

Middle school, high school, some of the collegiate stuff.

You get a certain age, dude, it was like

you just get really frustrated because you're like, bro, you're not like, why are you acting like they're not?

I used to look around and be like, where are all the scouts?

What do you mean, coach?

I'm like, where are they?

Because you're walking around here acting like you're on top of the motherfucking world.

Who do you think you are?

Like, there's nobody here, bro.

There's us.

We're competing.

We like you.

You're pretty good.

Just go out there and play the game.

But who do you think you are?

Where do you think we are?

Because that's a big part of it, too, is being honest with people.

Because nowadays, and I do think it's different.

Nowadays, everybody's great, right?

You find a way to play somewhere.

You have a diss team.

Everybody will let you play if you pay.

And all of a sudden, everybody's great.

And they get done with high school, and they're like, Where's my kid going to play?

And I would meet with these, except for baseball, and I'm like, I'll meet with you and talk to you about what their options are.

And I was like, scared sometimes.

I'm like,

why is he flying out there to that camp?

Like, it's a paid camp.

Well, he'd like to go to school there.

And I'm like, oh, go to school there.

Cool.

Because is he smart?

He gets good grades.

Yeah.

I'll be like, oh, awesome.

He's with baseball there.

I'm like, that's a Division I baseball program.

Like, well, what are you saying?

I'm like, your kid's a Division Five baseball player.

Like, he has no chance to play college baseball at any level.

Why are you telling him that?

Haven't you watched his, like, he didn't play in his high school team.

Barely.

Like, but it's just like this idea of like, let's just continue.

You're going to keep trying hard, Tommy.

Tom, you're not good.

You're as bad as your dad was.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Just go get a great degree.

You played on this team.

You're on your high school team.

You got in a little bit.

You know, but these people, you know, they lie to these kids and they set them off into the world.

And it's like,

there's a lot of kids that were anointed to be the next coming of everything when they're younger, especially when they mature real fast.

You know, I just tell people, be careful with the kids that go through puberty real young because they look really, really good.

They peak young, though.

Yeah, they're monsters.

And all of a sudden, it's like, bro, everybody else caught up to you.

Now can you play or not?

And while they were doing this, their parents weren't just like taking with a grain of salt.

They're ready to get them drafted.

They're 12.

Just take a breath.

And that also makes the kids hate the game.

They start hating it because then their parents say you're this they get older they're not this and they hate the game I've seen that yeah it's awful it's awful to do to kids I saw it in basketball with kids that grew tall early yeah and then they by the time high school ended they hated it they didn't want to hoop anymore well why would they they were and then you let your parents they don't want to let their parents down or whoever was believing them and they're telling them what they're gonna do and where they're gonna go to college and they're looking at all these schools and it's like now they can't they're not who you said they were gonna be they you said they were gonna be that they didn't say that nobody else said that you said they were gonna be that way you know and there's a lot of people to lie to the kids who's gonna pay yeah your kids should play on our team it's 3 500 bucks for the summer and man he's gonna be a great college baseball player i'm like he's not playing college baseball like that but if you want to pay 3500 bucks to have a great summer do it but don't lie to the kid yeah it's tough because they put all their eggs in that basket and then they realize they're not good enough in college well it's sports and their identity is wrapped up in it They don't have an identity, right?

Because it's all they got.

And then it's that whole idea of, you know, it's like, you know,

hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

That's a fucking lie.

That's a bold-faced lie in athletics.

In business, it's true.

You built what you built by working your ass off.

That's true.

But just because you work your ass off in a basketball court, baseball field, or football, dude, if you're not talented, that kid can work out once a year.

He's going to walk on the field.

He runs a 40 and four fucking four.

He jumps through the roof.

He's strong.

And you've been working out every day to work your footwork, your strength, your speed to cover him.

And you still can't cover him because God made him much more talented than you.

He's eating Cinnabons, drinking what he wants to drink, laying on the couch, rolling off the couch and kicking your ass.

Because sports, that's what's great once you leave the talent.

When it's based on talent and hard work, you got to work hard once you have the talent to continue to grow.

I totally get that.

But what's great about being in a businessman, working your job, being an entrepreneur, dude, it doesn't really take talent,

which is what makes it great.

Are you willing to learn and will you work hard?

Facts.

That's cool.

So now everybody's level.

And if you win, you can beat anybody.

Anybody.

Does that matter?

Yeah, I had no talent in business.

But your reps, hey, your first podcast, when was it?

Two years ago.

Two years ago.

Very first one.

How much better are you today than two years ago?

So much better.

Night and day.

Night and day.

Like, you wouldn't even recognize.

If you watched the video, you'd be like, wow.

And not near as bad as you'll make it out to be, but so much better.

Yeah.

How much more comfortable are you?

So much more.

I couldn't even talk on the first one.

Correct.

I was scared.

People come in now.

You can care less.

You're eating homemade stuff and your fiance.

We're having fun.

We're sitting around.

But the first couple, you're probably like, oh, he's coming in.

And what am I going to talk about?

And super nervous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ready came on the first time.

I'm going to shit myself.

Yeah.

And now you're like, you care less.

If you're like, I was like, Trump's outside.

You'd be like, when's he in?

In half an hour?

Yeah.

You don't care.

No.

It doesn't matter to you at all.

You put the reps and you do the work.

That's where confidence comes, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

Because I had little confidence growing up, to be honest.

Little.

I was not confident at all.

I think part of that was single mother.

They didn't have that father figure.

Yeah.

And then sports helped me gain some confidence.

so i that's why i recommend you know play sports 100 you'll find yourself 100 and you don't have to be a professional athlete you'll find yourself you take those things that have helped you in business same with me all those things i learned throughout the years in the field playing coaching i fall back on those in business when i don't know what to do i'm like all right my coach john ellis was the best coach i ever had he was a successful businessman cool this shit happened in life how do i deal with it boom this is what i think he would have done cool that's great i remember he had that talk with with me.

And I was always trying to get as much out of everybody as I could.

I knew the coaches were using me to be better so we'd win.

I wanted to use them to get what they knew, not just about sports, but about life, because my old man wasn't around either.

So I'm like, what can I get from them?

What do they know?

Coach, how'd you do that?

I was a crazy question asker forever, ever.

And you weren't shy.

Never.

I didn't give a shit.

No, I was lit and I was tiny.

I was 97 pounds my freshman year in high school.

Wow.

97.

Yeah, I played football, basketball and base.

I was 97 pounds.

Holy crap.

I graduated at 195.

I got 100 pounds in four years.

Damn.

But I graduated at 17.

So I was really young as a freshman.

I didn't even think about going through puberty.

And I was just like walking around.

Didn't even realize.

I realized how small I was compared to them as they started to mature and stuff.

But, I mean, football, dude, that was a bloodbath.

I got knocked around everywhere.

But I was, but he just kept getting up.

And then I was like, eventually I'll get bigger or I won't.

And if I don't get bigger, I mean, ain't nothing about nothing I can do at 97 pounds.

You know, but I was like, I didn't give a shit.

I could care less.

Hit me in the face, punch me.

I was not going to back around.

A lot easier to get beaten up by a 200-pound senior when you're a freshman than refuse to fight.

I'd take that ain't a day a week.

Like, what happened?

I'm like, oh, I almost had him.

They're like, dude, he beat the shit out of you.

I was like, I almost had him.

You know, but I mean, at least, and I think I just had my own issues, my own, my own self-deprecating behaviors.

I'm own I was going to party and do all that just to, so, you know, having that happen and having that happen with somebody was just another way for me to punish myself for, you know, some of the trauma and shit I was going through.

I feel, so you were big on partying in high school, college?

I love partying, dude.

Really?

What do you think caused that?

I watched it growing up.

As much as I, my old man wasn't around whenever I saw him.

He was always partying.

And I still, as much as he was never, I was like, he's still my father.

So I still had this kind of weird, like, I want to be kind of like, I didn't know how, I knew it was messed up, but I really know how messed up it was.

And I mean, I was around a lot of that when I was real young, you know, drinking, drugs.

And then

when I was probably 13, my mom worked three jobs.

So we were never, so I knew some of the older kids in my neighborhood where we lived.

And,

you know, we started smoking weed.

And they're like, you should sell it.

And I was like, what do I get?

And they told me.

So I was like, okay, here's an eighth.

Here's a quarter.

How do I do this?

Here's dime bag.

Cool.

Got to do this.

I make myself some money.

I love smoking weed.

I smoked weed every day from the age of 13 to probably 28.

Damn.

Every day.

15 years straight.

Every day.

Ask my friends.

Every day.

Holy crap.

But I love smoking wheat, you know?

And then the problem with that was that led me to using Coke.

That led me to smoking cracked.

It was just, it was a, so yeah, I got sober at 28, but I loved partying.

I think it just made me, it made me, um,

it gave me the alter reality I wanted.

I wanted a different situation.

I didn't want to live in some of the stuff I had going on.

It gave me an edge.

It made people look at me differently, I thought.

And a lot of those kids that I played ball with were really centered and really secure.

So I lived like these two lives where I played ball and I had my friends were athletes, but I partied like crazy.

And so I had like all these, and back then there was all kinds of different crews, they called them and clicks and different names they had for them all.

But I'm like, I just kind of was in everything.

Yeah.

You know, I was like, you don't like him, but like.

I get high with Max, so don't mess with Max.

And, well, Kevin, he's my tailback on football team.

Don't fuck with me.

Like, I just knew a lot of the different people.

So I just kind of, I didn't feel comfortable.

I felt comfortable playing ball when I was playing ball with the guys on my team on the field.

But once the game was over and they went back to their lives with mom, dad, dinners, two parents,

I didn't know what to do.

So I'm like, I'm going to go over here and like party my ass off.

I don't really have anywhere to go.

Game gets over and their mom's dads pick them up and they're giving them, I don't have anybody to pick me up.

Damn.

Yeah.

And it wasn't telling me I grew up.

It was fine, but I would like get a ride home with somebody.

My mom worked a lot.

So it's not like she didn't want to be in my games.

My mother just worked a ton.

I don't think my mom went to football, basketball, and baseball.

I don't think my mom went to, and I played basketball for two years in high school.

I didn't, I just wasn't, basketball didn't love me.

I didn't it dude so i i only played for two years

four years of baseball football went to college play baseball my mother i bet seen two games that's it from when i was a little kid she was working wow my mom worked her ass off

so because she had to she had do everything to take care of us and then my dad when he got older he would show up drunk and talk shit talk shit to me like he would like taunt me from the geez the stands yeah but i hated when he came but you know so then i think i just got to a point where like in college i was like screw him he seems to be excited so i don't even want like to play anymore since he's around

But yeah, man, so I decided, I think I would run, like, not run, but my game would get over.

I'm like, I was go over here with these guys and get high.

You know, find my buddies in the apartment complex I lived in, and they weren't hard to find.

Their moms weren't home.

Moms were working or their moms were partying.

My mom worked.

My mom was a, she was a drinker, but she wasn't a drug user, you know.

So you were living two lives.

100%.

Wow.

That probably helped you with sales because you got all these perspectives.

Oh, dude.

I learned how to deal with all kinds of people.

I mean, all kinds of people, man, and all, everywhere, like just every background, where I grew up.

And I was always very comfortable in any environment.

So it wasn't a lot that made me uncomfortable.

Which is cool because sometimes athletes are just so in their own bubble, right?

Yeah.

That they're closed-minded to other perspectives.

I see that with football players, you know?

Yeah, I wasn't, man.

I think I was very, you know,

which was good.

I had a lot of perspective from a lot of different people, you know, so, and I was always moving in different groups.

So that was good for me.

And it sounds like you really wanted to provide for your mother.

Is that a big part of your work ethic?

Yeah, I'm providing for my mother.

I didn't want to be broke.

So I'm mine to be okay, which I've been able to do, which has been awesome.

And I didn't want to be broke.

And I think you talked about identity earlier.

I wasn't like I was smart.

No one thing was going to be my identity.

Like I love playing sports.

When I got done in college, I didn't freak me out.

I was like, I'm going to go to work.

And then when I had my first job and I loved it, that wasn't my identity.

It was just a job.

And I'm like, okay, cool.

I'm going to run a real estate company.

I wasn't like a real estate.

That wasn't my identity.

I was a businessman.

Did that for years.

Had an opportunity to sell it.

Cool.

Let me get into waste management.

But I wasn't, that wasn't my identity either.

Life insurance is not my identity.

You know, I want to be a good business person.

I want to do well.

I want to provide for other people.

I want to teach other people to do what I've done.

Yeah.

Period.

End of story.

And I want to do it at a better, I want to give people a better opportunity.

There was barrier venture was really hard.

For me when I got into business because I was trying to find a way to get around people and they wouldn't, we didn't have social media.

Right.

So you didn't get to go on and to search it and find it so you had to go find people and you had to go find people and then they wanted you to pay them they wouldn't do it and it wasn't like it is now like they didn't have all these coaching but you'd have to find a way to get around them you know when i was in real estate in shit 2000

dude i was like my first event was here in vegas with a remax company that shows like thirty thousand dollars damn yes but just to attend it to attend all the sessions they had it was like four days, the breakouts.

Yes.

But a lot of these people, so I was one of the few people not making, like, I was new to the business and I had made a lot.

I had some money.

Like, I was, I was never broke when I was, I was doing other shit, doing stuff I probably shouldn't be doing.

I had money.

And then,

but it was so awesome because I was like one of the only guys.

Everybody else who was there was a big producer.

Yeah.

So I had this wealth of people.

And I was young.

Like they were, most of them were a lot older.

And I had the ability to, I was, I was courageous.

I'd ask questions.

So I made a lot of relationships there that lasted me 10, 15, 20 years.

And a lot of them were like, well, why did you come?

And I'm like, well, the person that recruited me said, this is the best meeting all year and said to me, she said, I bet you can't afford to do it.

She was, you know, hell in her 50s.

She was 30 years older than me.

And I was like, well, what do you mean?

She's like, well, it's not for new people.

And I'm like, am I not allowed to go?

And she's like, no, you can definitely go.

I'm just saying like, I wouldn't waste.

I'm like, but you're telling me it's really good.

Why am I wasting my money?

You know, and she's like, well, you have 30 grand.

I'm like, I could come up with it.

I can come up with 30 grand if it's going to be that good.

And then I'd not go into those four days.

I went to every minute.

I showed up 7 a.m.

Stayed till 7 p.m.

I didn't miss nothing.

Went to the bathroom.

I came right back.

And then I just asked questions when we had breaks and found people.

Wow.

And I'd be like, can I get your number?

Can I get your number?

And dude, like, it was a different world.

It wasn't like, where's your cell?

I mean, it was.

No cell phones back then, right?

Different world, man.

When you start thinking back then, like, how you got a hold of people

when there was email.

And that's the other thing a lot of, which is good, but a lot of y'all don't, like, couldn't fathom because you're like, what do you mean?

I'm like, yeah, dude, we didn't, that was a newer thing for me.

You know what I mean?

To send an email.

It was like getting your home phone number

to then call you from my office or home phone

to then get a hold of you.

That's crazy.

And I can't remember when I had a cell phone or didn't, or when I didn't have a pager, or when I first got my next out and I'd like walkie-talkie people.

And,

but yeah, man, but you had to, you had to go get it.

And I, and I wanted to provide stuff where people, it was a lower barrier of entry.

You know, I wanted to be able to just share information with people on a pretty regular basis and not smoke them.

Wow.

That perspective is crazy because you hear people complaining about not getting views on social media, but this is a whole nother level.

Dude, like you, you would get an airplane to fly across the country to have a conversation with somebody.

And then when you left, how did you get in touch with them?

You'd have to get back into

a phone and hope they were in front of theirs.

That's nuts now you can now you could text them on the plane 100 you do everything you got wi-fi on the plane and then you're like how'd you get your information watch tv or read a newspaper right yeah that's all my parents' information they met on a newspaper really yeah that's what dating was back then right newspaper ads yeah

it's crazy now you got tinder you just swipe yeah yeah i never i never used newspaper ads but yeah so you got it's a lot different nowadays than it was then yeah yeah the access is just like i see all the views i'm getting it's just like holy crap yeah 100 million views a month it's crazy like back then that's not you had to have a huge television show well think about that really right how many people back then had how many how anything had 100 million views like y'all are bigger than like the biggest tv and shows and sporting events were yeah that's true 100 yeah they're not that many stadiums like 100 000 correct yeah think about that

that's what blows my mind like i i i you know i'll travel a lot and i'm with people and i'm like and again it's and it's always bigger platforms right Your platform,

what's his name?

The Hard Knox kid, who I like a lot.

Oh, James, yeah.

James, like I was, you know, I was in the casino the other night and this guy's like, hey, man, how are you?

Yeshaun?

I was like, yeah, just watch the hard knocks.

But then again, somebody's like, man, how do you like, I'll be traveling.

I was in St.

Thomas.

This dude's at a restaurant.

He's like, hey, I just saw your hard knocks.

I'm like, but when you have that many views, there are a couple hundred million people in America.

If you're getting that many views, that's a large percentage of the population that's seeing what you're doing.

You could not accomplish that before.

You couldn't.

There were ridiculously famous people in New England I knew, ridiculously famous.

But dude, you didn't know, like, unless you watched games, you didn't know.

These great athletes walked around all over the place.

Nobody knew they were.

Because they have helmets too, I think.

They have helmets.

It was a different world.

They didn't have post-game interviews, all the stuff they're doing now.

They didn't have any marketing.

They're not being promoted.

They weren't doing any commercials.

I mean, the handful athletes, everybody knew.

But outside of those handful athletes, you didn't know.

Other than Gronk, Brady, and maybe like Amendola and a couple others.

Nah, you didn't know the rest of the Patriots.

No, 100%.

But even back then, you wouldn't know anybody.

You had known Brady.

Gronk probably wouldn't have had the marketing back then because that wasn't the appetite.

There was really no Gronk kind of deal.

Like he just wouldn't have fit into a lot of the market.

It was very bland and

dry and it wouldn't have

worked.

It wouldn't have worked.

Yeah, pre-social media, I don't think it would have worked.

You're right.

It wouldn't have worked.

Yeah.

Brady would have worked for it.

He'd got on whatever product it was.

He would have said something, but you wouldn't have known any of these people businessmen women You didn't know who they were

Your politicians.

I mean you're president But outside of that do you didn't know how'd you know you if you watched the news and happened to catch one of them on the news and see something but other than that you didn't see you didn't know stuff live I remember reading in elementary school about like Bill Gates.

That's the only entrepreneur I knew correct.

That's it and back then those guys are walking everywhere.

You didn't know you look some of those old school videos back in the day.

That was word of mouth.

And you showed up in an event somewhere and got around them with 100 people people like how did they get into that group dude nobody knew about it how did you find anybody because i think you take that for granted you think about what how many views you get a month 100 100 what 100 million think about that dude a hundred million

yeah it's nuts that's the thing if you really take a step back and go that's insane it's nuts dude yes and if you take how many people are in america It'd probably be at least half if I had to look at that alone.

Okay.

So 50 million of them are from here in the States.

Yeah.

And how many people live in the United States of America?

300, 200 or whatever.

So one in every six people has seen something you've done.

And it's more than that because all the people are shared.

But think about it.

Even if it was just that, if it was one in every hundred, one in every six people.

So when you walk around and people are like, they know who you are, that's crazy, right?

Yeah.

That's crazy because a couple of years ago, especially when you were like, didn't want to leave your place.

I know.

I had agoraphobia.

I couldn't even leave my bed.

Which is like awesome you share it and awesome you're transparent about it, but it means any, dude, that's the whole deal.

Like you are, anybody can do anything if an agoraphobic who don't want to leave their bed can get one out of every six people in america to watch something he's doing every single month by doing what going to work working your ass off changing getting uncomfortable and just showing up that's what i'm saying i'm not doing anything special like i'm showing up you know filming six episodes a day it's just work ethic there you go But anyone could do it if they

put their mind to it.

Correct.

But early on, when you're not getting 100 million views oh i had to lose at first yeah first six months i was losing money i was doubting myself i was probably a month or two away from calling to quits which is what most successful people because you had to push that limit most everybody when i look at all the stuff i'd done i would have done something else but i could have i could have called it in do you understand in real estate waste management and life insurance i did not make money my first three years in any of them now i made money that i poured back in but i didn't make money i was paying my bills to the tune of real estate I was probably keeping 40 grand a year, sold that for millions and millions of dollars.

Waste management, I was paying my bills.

I was probably taking 50 grand a year, paying my bills, sold that for millions.

Life insurance deal for a hell of a lot more than that, boatloads of money.

And same thing there.

I was paying my bills to the tune of 80 Rand a year.

Wow.

Keep my money.

Modest.

Modest.

Yeah, dude.

I was building a company doing, you know, $100 million in volume, driving a Honda Cordon, living in a, you know, in my house, 89 street in Norwich, Connecticut, a tiny little aqua blue, green.

I don't even know what the T, what the hell the color is, asbestos-sided house with no yard and no driveway.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's discipline, man.

100%.

Because you see all these people on social media these days flexing their.

But I was doing what you were doing, dude.

I was working 14 hours a day.

Dude, I was doing stuff.

I was on the phone at 6 a.m., down, recruiting, selling, and I was on the phone until 8, 9 o'clock at night.

Wow.

Seven days a week.

Anybody could have done it.

Any one of my peers could have done it.

But, and I was probably not too far away from going, dude, I got to make money eventually.

Like, I got to make money eventually doing this.

I see where I was about six months in.

I was like, damn, can I keep leading?

Like, this hurts, you know?

Like, putting that much money out and not getting the views you want.

Correct.

You got to stick through it, man.

Well, you did, man.

You should be proud of yourself.

You too.

Yeah, it's not an easy route.

A couple final questions.

Since I know you're big on coaching, I want to know who you think the GOAT of coaching is greatest of all time.

Athletically.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

We could break it by sport, probably.

That'd be easier.

That's a great question.

Man, that's a really good question.

I'm a big Phil Jackson guy in basketball.

I just think that not just, you know, triangle offense, how many championships I won.

I think to manage all those personalities, I think to do what he was able to do when you're looking at Jordan and Rodman and Pippen, like Jordan and Pippen can't even talk to each other at all.

And listen, I obviously, you know, when one dude's son dates the other one's ex-wife, that's got to mess you up.

But, like, he managed all that shit.

And Jordan respected him, which Jordan doesn't seem to respect a lot of people.

So, like, he respected him.

So, I think from a basketball standpoint, I mean, Pop, bitch, some of these other guys are great coaches, college-level Shaszzewski, but I just, dude, Phil Jackson to me was just like a different level.

He had Shaq, too.

He had Shaq.

He's not easy to manage.

No, I can't imagine.

Any of them are are easy to manage, dude.

And he did it well.

Yeah.

You know,

man, dude, I don't, you know, and I can go back to a lot of old school coaches and,

dude, I just don't know if anybody's,

I don't know if anybody's better than Andy Reed.

You know, I love Bill.

I know.

But I'm over Bill.

Yeah, I just, and I'm not saying, listen, dude, and Andy's still rolling.

So like, let's not, we don't know what he's going to win or not win.

Bill Belichick's one hell of a coach.

You know, if he's, if he's not the race all the time, then, again, I'm just telling you, if you ask me right now, when you look at both of them, body of work, it doesn't look like Andy Reed slowing down.

Don't know how many Super Bowls is going to win, how many games he'll end up winning.

I just think that I think if Bill Belichick was starting his career today

with the current players,

I don't think he evolves.

We'll see how he does in North Carolina.

I mean, we'll see.

But

I do think

Andy Reed, obviously, you know, Belichick's easy to say, but it's not about one I like one more than another.

Baseball,

man, dude.

I um,

are you an old school baseball guy at all or no?

No, I don't follow the old stuff.

I'm going to tell you why.

Like, Tommy Lasorda was a very successful baseball coach.

Dodgers, he wasn't a lot.

But I'll tell you why I love him because a buddy of mine played on the Olympic team with him, and he was a coach.

And they had, they were in Australia.

And back in the day, it was a big deal because they got in a brawl in a casino.

And I said, what was Tommy doing?

He goes, oh, he's in the middle of it fucking fighting.

Like, he, I just, he was old school, hardcore.

I mean, there's some unbelievable baseball coaches, obviously.

But I just, I like guys.

I was a Billy Martin guy, too, with the Yankees.

Like, Billy was always, I mean, to manage Steinbrenner and be able to handle him made him one hell of a coach.

Joe Torrey, I'm a Yankee guy, was one hell of a coach.

But I don't know, dude, there's something about a coach that's drinking, fighting, partying, winning, mass, takes no shit from from nobody kind of guy.

I love it.

And he would mess with the players, call them different names just to fuck with them, you know, get in their heads and get the most out of them.

And he won an Olympic gold medal with a bunch of ragamuffins, what they were called.

And they said they had no shot.

And

now there was, it was, it was a team that no, and he won a gold medal with them.

So that's one hell of a coaching

accomplishment.

So it'd be my favorite.

I mean, I agree with basketball and football.

Baseball, I don't watch as much, but I think you're spot on.

And you would know as a former coach, coach, you know.

Yeah, man, it's been good to watch, dude.

So we'll see how it all turns out.

We'll see how it turns out this year in football and see where we go from there.

Yeah, any predictions?

The Super Bowls in a couple weeks.

Who do you got?

Dude,

I like the Commanders to beat the Eagles.

I do.

Somebody asked me, do you think that Philly's in the cover?

I said, I think Washington's going to win.

I love Jane Daniels.

I think he's...

I said this when he's at LSU.

I sure didn't know he's had this kind of year this year.

But

I, you know, Philly's loaded.

Philly's talented.

Um, but I don't know.

I just think in Washington is, man, they've won a lot of these big games in the road.

This kid is poised.

I mean, this kid's in the pocket, and it's like always, he don't, he don't, he don't, he don't bend, he don't break.

He's unbelievably talented with his footwork and throwing a ball.

I like them, and I like the bills.

And I'm probably going to like sit back and watch the Chiefs win by two and be like, dude, how did that happen?

They won 24 to 22.

Like, what am I going to do?

They always do that.

They do.

But I just just think

the Bills are dialed in.

I think Josh dialed in.

You know, Kansas City, I know there's been some years that, but they've, you know, they've had a tough year, but I do.

I like the Bills and the Commanders, and I like the Bills to win the championship.

I love it.

You think Mahomes will catch Brady,

man?

I don't, you know, what's hard about this dynasty is what happens

when,

you know, can they continue to do it?

You know?

And I also think that

Brady,

listen, Brady was addicted to having that kind of success.

I don't think Mahomes is.

Wow.

And I don't mean that in a bad way.

I think,

dude, Mahomes is into his family and is into a lot of it.

Brady was into football, period.

Like, I'm not trying to be a prick, but.

Well, he lost his wife over football.

Your wife didn't hook up with this ugly

martial arts instructor because

you just, you, you, you married football.

And that's okay.

I'm judging.

I'm about to be in it to know what happened.

But it's like Tom was that committed

to be able to take care of your body, your mind from a football standpoint, do all those things that he did.

I mean, Patrick Mahomes takes his shirt off and he should put it back on.

And that's impressive because like you're like, he just shows up, you know.

eats his captain crunch, goes to Kane's, and then throws the football around a little bit.

He don't give a damn, drinks his cores light.

I just think to be able to

do that for for that many years as tom did and i don't know that patrick should want to either i i think life's too short and i think when you watch for me when you watch what brady went through you're like and again who knows the whole deal or not but at the end of the day dude talk about it being your identity and and you know and i i wish he wasn't announcing games because he's just awful oh bradyus i haven't seen them oh my god he's that's actually surprising you think he'd be really good he just has no oh god it's like eating a bag of thumbstacks, but listening to him.

But it's, but it's, um,

but I don't, you know, it's a great question.

I don't think so, and I don't think he should want to.

I love it.

I don't.

I think he should, he's going to have one hell of a career.

He's going to be the greatest, one of the greatest of all time.

But he's got, looks like he's got a cool wife and awesome kids, and he should focus on that.

Yeah.

And for some people that have lost sight of that, I've been there.

where it's like business, business, business, business, but, you know, and if you're just like, dude, I think that there are bigger things in life.

And,

you know, and I don't know that you'd have to ask Tom Brady that.

You'll probably have him on one day, but you have to ask him that.

I will.

I will.

I have no doubt you will.

Will he have done anything differently?

I don't know.

But,

you know, to win as many Super Bowls, I don't know about that.

But Patrick Mahomes should, you know, keep his, keep his

Doritos and Captain Crunch and have his little gut and be happy and be with his family.

You know, I like what he said when she was having the last kid, I guess.

He's like, why did he schedule it so it's not around the, you know, the game?

But, dude, that guy, that seems like it's, you know, God family.

Yeah, he's all about that.

And I think that's, that's enviable.

Yeah.

I think that's.

I love that answer because I've had a couple points in my business career where I could have lost my wife if I wanted to keep working the way I was.

So you got to really evaluate like what are you going to sacrifice to get to where you want to be.

100%.

I could have had a few more million, but I would have lost her.

It's like, that's not worth it.

You ain't worth it, dude.

Nah.

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