Warning: Your Sleep Cycle is Off By 3 Hours (Here's Why) | Robby Besner DSH #1101

when you're the lightest sleeping.

And if you have like a somewhat bladder full, and you need, that's when you'd be, you'd wake yourself up and go to the bathroom.

Now, let's make believe that you're in the middle of that cycle, right?

When your alarm clock goes off.

So your brain isn't on the wake cycle, it's on the sleep cycle.

Then you wake up and you're groggy and you can't seem to get motivated and get going because you're just sort of out of sync.

All right, guys, got Robbie back here again.

Excited for this one to talk the future of medicine.

Yeah, oh, cool.

Yeah, great topic.

Yeah, what's that looking like, do you think?

Well,

you know, my reference to that when I was kind of thinking about it is like where we are currently and where I feel things are going.

And I feel there's a big movement and it's been stimulated by a lot of the excitement around like red light therapy and harnessing the subtle frequencies in nature.

And I think that's kind of where I think the next big push is, is going from the physical side of medicine to the energy, the energetic side of medicine.

Yeah, what makes the frequencies of nature so healing, you think?

Well, first off, they've been around like from the beginning of time.

And I think that we kind of forget about the

subtle things that happen from subtle energies and sort of focus on the bigger headliners.

And so that's where I feel like the next big push is going to be kind of dialing into the different frequencies in nature that make a difference in the way our bodies work.

And it becomes a lot more important because of all the man-made frequencies that we're constantly exposed to, like EMF, for instance.

And now we're studying the deeper dive, which is the extreme low frequencies called dirty electricity and stuff like that, and the way it affects us on a cellular level.

And I think that's where we're going to see a big shift because people now are getting kind of their bodies, especially as you get a little older, you're getting overexposed to a lot of this kind of toxic, toxic,

subtle energy stuff.

And it affects the, suppresses your immune system.

And so we're getting a lot more epigenetic expressions just from the environment that's shifting from the energetic point of view.

I've noticed when I film a lot, because obviously there's bright lights and I'm around 5G and Wi-Fi,

I'll be really tired after, like I'm starting to notice it.

I'll show up to my basketball game.

I'll be more tired from podcasting than basketball.

Right.

Isn't that crazy?

Well, no, but it's exactly right because people don't realize the effects of these, they've called exogenous or man-made frequencies, how that really kind of beats down our bodies on a cellular level, energetic cellular level.

Yeah.

Are there proven ways to offset that damage?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, the simplest way is just kicking your shoes off and grounding yourself to the planet.

Because I think what's happened is

as it we've advanced as a culture,

you know, we have AI everything right now.

Everything is electric cars and planes and trains and all that kind of stuff, bikes.

But all that kind of energy, what it does is it kind of takes us away from actually getting seated to the earth, which is the energies that sort of recharge our batteries, cellular batteries.

Yeah.

So for people that are just, you know, maybe checking that out, it's generally called the mitochondria, which is your cellular powerhouse.

But where does the mitochondria get its energy from?

It's mostly from tapping into sunlight or to the earth energy.

And when we walk on the earth, because most of us don't walk barefoot, we don't even think to walk barefoot, but because we're walking on the earth, but not actually touching the earth, there's that insulation, like even your gym shoes or your sneakers,

you're being insulated from actually the energies.

That's the rubber in the shoe, right?

Yeah, yeah.

That's why you made the therosol, so that kind of, you put it in the shoe, right?

Correct.

And it connects you.

Yeah, and there's also chips in the therisol that generate the frequencies of the ground and of know the earth energies yeah and so whether you get it directly from the earth or you get it from the um imprinted holograms that we put in the therisol that's that you know we're basically supplying the body with a um a recharge i need to start wearing that because i just measured my chakras yesterday and my root chakra was really messed up yeah so yeah and that's what it is you get stuck in a certain place yeah yeah but you gotta you gotta keep those in check because if your chakras are off that could really impact you right totally totally yeah are you testing yours pretty frequently i do it all the time and try to get centered and then especially if you're doing body work or you're around people where you're laying hands on them and you're transferring that energy then you really need to check in with your own to make sure that you're centered and you're grounded 100 yeah i noticed a lot of healers don't live that long and i was like why is that so i started looking into it yeah they're not balancing their energies because they're taking on so much trauma Yeah, they take on your energy, but they need to let that go somewhere else.

Otherwise, they hold on to it too.

And then it changes their shift.

Yeah, they age very.

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You're quick, man.

It's fascinating.

Yeah, you got to figure out where to put that excess excess energy.

Totally.

And it doesn't take a lot to shift it.

It's just more like the consciousness to know that you need to do that just to keep your own balance in place.

Yeah.

You still hit the sauna a lot?

Oh my God, every day.

I love sauna.

Isn't it great?

Yeah.

It's the most beautiful way to start your day, I find.

I've split-tested it.

Yeah, I've done days where I don't start with it versus I do, and I feel it's night and day.

I mean, yeah.

Well, it's really just tapping into the particular version that we have, the 360 Plus.

What it does is it emulates the early part of the sun.

And we have a circadian rhythm and a bio clock inside all of us.

And oftentimes that gets kind of, you get, that shifts a little bit.

And then that runs into people having sleeping challenges and so forth, you know?

And so when I do my sauna, which is my routine, is to, I get up pretty early, I don't use an alarm clock.

I let my body wake me up to my natural time.

And that's also kind of interesting because, you know, most of us sleep until the alarm wakes us up.

But that may not be necessarily the same cycle that your brain is going through.

So your brain cycles every three hours.

So let's say you go to bed at nine o'clock.

By 12, you're going to cycle.

You'll have a full cycle.

And for guys, well, most people, like if you're in a low cycle, your brain, that's when you're the lightest sleeping.

And if you have like a somewhat bladder full and you need, that's when you'd be, you'd wake yourself up to go to the bathroom.

Now, let's make believe that you're in the middle of that cycle, right?

When your alarm clock goes off.

So, your brain isn't on the wake cycle, it's on the sleep cycle.

Then you wake up and you're groggy, and you can't seem to get motivated and get going because you're just sort of out of sync.

So, I just let myself wake up naturally when my body tells me it's happening.

I've definitely woken up on that cycle where I feel like I'm sleeping.

Yeah.

So, it's every three hours.

Every three hours, the brain will cycle.

So, would it be smart to sleep either six or nine hours then?

That's usually the best way.

Okay.

But then, the caveat to that is what's called sort of maximizing a REM sleep or the healing sleep, that deeper sleep.

And if you can get yourself into, usually most people, if they get a decent amount of quality sleep at night, that's not quantity,

they can get like an hour to an hour and a half of that REM deep restorative sleep.

And that's the one that's the most important.

So you go through, your brain goes through different frequency cycles.

Beta cycle is that

sympathetic dominance where you're fight and flight and you're always anxious and you're at the edge of your seat.

That's where most of us are these days.

And

we get stuck in beta.

Oh, beta.

With all of the influences.

I mean, we're in Las Vegas today, right?

And Vegas was all filled with energy and people and excitement.

So you're constantly pushed into that excited state.

But in order for your brain to actually be responsive, you have to have a coherent relationship between your left and right lobe of of your brain.

And you have to easily move from being in a fight and flight to a calm state.

And that's the alpha state.

After that, you have theta, which is sort of the hypnotic state, where it's kind of like

if you've ever been to a dentist and they say, I'm going to put you into a light sleep state, that's theta.

Is that from the gas?

Yeah, the gas or something like that.

That's usually, by the way, when my wife likes to hit me with whatever she's interested in buying.

She gets me into theta.

She waits on the theta.

Then she loves it.

Then I'm sort of like, oh yeah, anything you want, honey.

That's a good dating hack right there.

So, but theta is precursors that deeper sleep, that restorative sleep.

And that's where the brain will elicit hormones like growth hormone and repair hormones and detox hormones.

And that's really very important for us to all go through.

And I think what's happening in these days is with all the blue light exaggerated frequencies that are from the devices like people touching their phones and stuff like that before bed, and things like that.

It prevents the brain to get into that quieter restorative place.

So, when you're young,

maybe it's not as obvious, but as you get a little older, it becomes a little bit more obvious.

And if you're a little older, or if you have a chronic health challenge,

now it's really

takes you over the top.

Yeah, so we can reverse that trend really easy.

That's exciting.

I bought a Faraday bag for my phone at the A4M conference.

Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.

Yeah, because I used to sleep next to my head with it.

And that's probably not the best for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everything we do, we started remediating electromagnetic fields 17 years ago.

Crazy.

On a whim.

But still, now it's becoming more important.

But that's also because look at the cell phone industry.

Like, look at just what we're seeing now these days.

It's really something.

It's important.

Yeah.

I just bought a brain tab too.

Okay.

How do you keep track of my waves?

It seems like it's been off.

You know, have you tried it?

Yeah, I know the inventor of that.

Yeah.

Technology.

Yeah, he came on the show yeah and it was really interesting i mean it's it's good to be at least aware of where you're at so that you know what to work on yeah and we um i developed a heart rate variability program it that's been around for a while and there's a company called heart math and many people that maybe people that are listening in they know about it um

but what we did was we took um the core technology and then we built our own sort of metrics and different um ways to analyze the way the brain waves and the heart rates work.

And so I use that as an instrument because it's non-invasive.

Sean, you just put these little cuffs on your wrists and you get a live feed of how your heart is fluctuating.

Really?

And there's a deep connection between your heart and your brain waves.

And so I can actually use a mathematic algorithm to derive my brain function from the way my heart is functioning.

And so that is a great way for me to be able to take a device that I want to say, hey, I want this device to calm your body down.

How do I prove that that does that in a non-invasive way?

And so I use my heart rate variability program to do that.

Gotcha.

Which we lent that technology to Patrick Player.

Oh, wow.

And that's what he uses in his conferences and to demonstrate that his stuff works.

Small world.

Yeah, right?

So does the heart have a mind of its own?

Because there's that famous song like, listen to your heart.

Totally.

That's fascinating.

Yeah.

And many people, and a lot of science is coming out now that the heart actually responds faster than the brain does.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

Because you got the gut with its mind.

People kind of knew that recently.

The brain, obviously.

Now the heart has a mind.

Yeah.

Totally.

Interesting.

And they do, they do so many cool studies out there.

Like they'll get identical twins and they'll have them separated by like

side to side, like somebody in California, one twin and the other one in on the East Coast.

Yeah.

And then they'll offer a response, some kind of emotional response to one of them and the other guy, they could test the other person.

And they'll feel it.

Whoa, and they feel it in the heart.

Yeah.

Interesting.

So there's some sort of spiritual connection then.

Yeah, and and energetic quantum connection.

Right.

Because they'll be across the world and they'll still feel it, huh?

And these are the subtle energies we're talking about, right?

That I think drive the world, but because we're all looking for the big headline, so to speak, that they, we've missed that.

And so I think that moving forward, subtle energies are going to be

more important to focus on.

And even with loved ones, sometimes they'll just know if their spouse is in the military or something and something will happen and they'll know.

Yeah, they get a feeling, right?

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Like, that's, you can't can't explain that with science.

Yeah.

What are these circular stones you brought here?

Oh,

I travel with them.

These are crystals.

Yeah, they're natural jade stones.

Wow.

We harvest three and a half million of these a year.

Yeah, that's exactly what I do.

I actually go to the areas, to the quarries where we pull the stones out and I muscle test, which is a way for you to tap into

sort of your, it's called kinesiology, but it's a way to test into your actually your heart and your autonomic nervous system to see whether or not a certain energy resonates with your body energy.

Wow.

And so I started, I learned how to do this about 25 years ago.

And then I started to realize that it's very easy to discern like what supplements are good for your body and how much to take.

So that is really important because

in the supplement world, it's sort of homogenized, right?

You look at the jar, it says, take two of these in the morning, take two at night.

But is that right for Sean Kelly's body?

You know, your body may need more of magnesium than mine.

So wouldn't it be nice to be able to have a simple way for you to be able to test what your body needs at any given time?

So that's what intrigued me.

That was where I was kind of going with when I was talking about what I think the future of medicine is.

Because when I travel now, and it kills my wife, I have an extra suitcase just with supplements because I won't sit there and spend five hours taking out, you know, like two of these and four of those and, you know, and put that all out for me for the week or two that I'm traveling.

so i just throw all of my jars or containers into a suitcase and i travel with it and then um maybe about five years ago i got intrigued with the concept that basically everything in nature is a frequency

and if you could identify exactly what that frequency is and tag that to a vitamin or supplement then and that you'd be able to sort of define by the energetics of that, you know, how that would express with your body, right?

So, this is kind of maybe a little bit out there, but I know that your crew

can take it.

When you digest food down to its smallest component, it really turns into the energetics of that food source.

And that's what your brain, which and your pituitary gland, becomes like the apothecary of analyzing your chemistry, what you need, and also what energies, you know, like what's deficient, and then messages that your brain gives you in order for you to

be able to identify that particular, let's say, food source.

So let me ask you a question.

You ever get a craving for any kind of foods?

Yeah.

What do you crave?

Sometimes sushi, sometimes meat.

You know, it depends on the day.

All right.

Now, let's say,

I'm going to shift for a minute.

And just, and this is my famous story about the banana.

Yeah.

All right.

So do you know that a banana,

when you eat a banana, that you'll get potassium as a source?

Yeah, right.

So you know that intellectually.

You probably learned it in high school, right?

Do you ever, could you imagine getting a craving for the concept or in your mind, getting a craving for banana?

I've had that craving before.

Okay.

So do you think that there's a intellectual or a subliminal, like a message, like your brain or your brain is analyzing your body chemistry and says, Sean Kelly needs more potassium.

Potassium equals banana.

So it gives your brain, can't talk, it gives gives you a message, and that message could be just the visual or the notion, I need a banana.

And it's really just satisfying a physical deficiency, chemical or vitamin deficiency, supplement deficiency that your body needs, right?

Yeah.

So now you go around, you eat the banana, and all of a sudden you're satisfied because your brain says, wow, I wanted it.

I got it.

I'm really cool with it.

And then, but you're also getting that potassium in your body that probably stimulated the thought to start with, right?

Now, if you take digestion of that banana down to its simplest form, I mean, I'm talking about you break it down, you break it down, you break it down, and now you got it,

the frequency of that banana is resonating in your body.

Is your body really responding to the physical eating of the banana or to the frequency?

of the banana and the potassium, right?

On its simplest form?

Because if all of life is reduced and defined by frequencies, right?

And the frequency of potassium is in that banana and that stimulated the thought, then in theory, I could be able to just take the banana or the frequency of banana and put it next to my body and my body chemistry will readjust because it's now getting the influx of that frequency of banana

or potassium, right?

All right, so this is where Robbie's at right now and where I think the future is going.

So I've got this huge suitcase of supplements that I travel with, right?

And it's annoying as hell because it's, you know, whatever, you know what a pain it is to travel anyway.

So I figured out a way to identify or actually record the frequency of a supplement.

And so imagine that you could, just like you record a audio or video recording, right?

Yeah.

You have this recording or you have this ability or a device that can actually record a frequency.

It could be sound, it could be light, doesn't really matter.

Now I can record the frequency of magnesium

or the frequency of a banana, a food source.

And now, so one part is identifying what frequency you want, and the other part is having a device to actually record it.

And then the third part would be to know what you're going to record that frequency onto so that you can actually have it.

near and on your body.

Okay, so we figured out,

took us two and a half years to figure out and catalog all frequencies in nature.

And then we figured out a way to actually record these frequencies.

And then it took us about 18 months to develop two different kinds of mediums to record those frequencies onto.

And one of them is a hologram.

I'm wearing one right now.

Wow.

So you can kind of see that right here, right?

Yeah.

Right?

The circle thing?

Yeah.

And so there's actually 27 frequencies that are recorded onto this little dot.

Wow.

It's 18 karat gold, and it'll hold that frequency.

It'll hold it if I go through the airport and hit with that magnetic charge when they try to blast you.

Yeah, yeah.

It'll withstand all that.

And it's keeping the frequencies, these 27 frequencies on and around my body.

And so it creates a frequency shield for me.

Wow.

Because, you know, these are all subtle and invisible to the eye.

We can't, it's hard for our bodies to sense them.

But when you use something like heart rate variability that taps into your heart fluctuation fluctuation based on this frequency,

I can see whether it's good for me or not good for me.

That's crazy.

Okay, so are those the supplements in that sticker?

The 27 supplements?

Yeah.

Wow.

So you don't have to fly with it anymore?

I don't have to carry this whole big.

Holy crap.

And so I think this is the future of medicine right here.

I think that rather than all these vitamins, we're going to be just carrying kind of like

a conflict of different kinds of patches that you basically put on.

your vitamin D deficient you put that frequency on you

and so we're developing a whole line we're calling therovibration because basically it's harnessing the frequencies we have two different formats that we put them on one is a hologram like you see here and the other would be a carbon fiber card or a pendant that actually holds the frequencies and we can program with whatever we want.

I love how subtle it is.

It's not like anything extreme.

You just throw it on.

Looks like nothing.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's exciting, man.

So currently we have, we have a patch for pain.

So I think a third of the country talks about being in some kind of pain.

It's 100 million people.

Yeah.

Right.

And so it's, and as you get older, you even get more of that.

Right.

And so these are, there's no big

like sort of like educational process.

You feel pain in your shoulder because you overworked it, like, or you got, you played some basketball and you feel it in your back or in your legs or something like that.

You just just put the patch where you feel like you need that restoration or that that healing and so we have recovery we have a patch that if you're getting ready for a competition it'll kind of get your cells all ramped up with the energy you need to be your optimal your greatest in performance then after your competition you got recovery right muscle recovery and potential pain that you want to cover so you put those guys together we developed a patch for immunity because that became much more paramount through the whole COVID experiments.

People, you know, now getting a little bit more vulnerable.

Their systems are compromised.

Their immune systems are compromised a little bit.

So we did that.

And then,

let me see, we have one for energy that we call the mitochondria one.

And I think that's kind of covering like the broad basis of what people need now in terms of the energetics.

Yeah.

We also developed a card.

It's a laminate card that you can put in your refrigerator, and it will allow your food to last longer.

Wow, I need that because my berries die so quick.

Yeah.

So you know how like a avocado might brown if you just leave it on the table for two because that's it's it get it oxidizes.

That's what's causing it to decay.

And what we figured out with the same process is we can actually influence the oxygen molecule so that it actually slows down the decaying process.

So you can put it in your refrigerator and your food will last longer.

Wow.

Or you can actually take like a some bottled water and put the water on the actual chip or the card itself, and it will restructure the water that you're drinking.

And that's the essence of life, really, is restructured water.

Because that water restructuring of water is the way cells communicate.

Wow.

And so, and the sun and the earth energies will restructure the water inside of you.

Yeah, because you're supposed to do that to water in your crystals, right?

Exactly.

With the full moon.

Yeah.

So rather than getting it, if you can't get it from those sources, you can just get a little card or you can get one of these chips and you can put it on your water source and that will

sort of create that structure that allows the water to cellulo hydrate you.

And that's the, I think that's really the end game.

That's a phenomenal product.

That should be at every farmer's market.

Yeah.

Or just how about everybody's home, you know, like why not just be able to have your food last longer?

Yeah.

Rather than using chemicals to allow water, or sorry, allow your foods to actually store a little better, when you can go to a gas station and buy a Twinkie that has a shelf life of 500 years,

you start to think about

what is that food source?

Is it how natural is?

And the further we get away from nature's actual

food as a source, I think that's where

explains why people are as sick as they are these days.

Yeah, because even if you do eat natural, there's still things you got to look out for.

You got to look out for pesticides.

If it's not organic, there's glyphosate on it, you know.

And the soils are

over-planted in a way.

A buddy of mine that is an expert in nitric oxide,

he did a study and he went to whole food stores in eight states across the country and took the same eight ounces of broccoli, measured it nutritionally, and the variance in the nutritional value of organic broccoli from whole foods from state to state varied.

incredibly.

Wow.

So you're spending good money, but you're not realizing that the foods are coming out of soils that don't have the proper balance and nutrients in them.

And so even though you're eating broccoli and you think you're doing it right, you're not getting the nutrition you need.

And I think that's why we need to get sort of patches like this or understand that it's important to use plant-based supplements and organic supplements because the food sources aren't really reliable anymore.

Are you plant-based right now?

Yeah.

No meat for how long?

No, I do.

We do eat meat.

Oh, you do?

But we just kind of do it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that's the way to do it.

Everyone's looking for a diet to eat the rest of their lives, but you need a I heard from Asper, you should be cycling different diets.

Totally.

I think that has to do a lot too with the way your body chemistry is.

And I agree with him that way.

Because

if you get into a routine, there's a diminishing return.

So you probably even see this in sports.

Like if you're lifting and you're doing the same routine Monday, Wednesday, Friday, you get a really steep curve of gaining muscle or whatever you're going for.

But then after a while, your body gets to know that routine.

And so it starts to kind of level off like that.

And then if you overtrain, because you just want to get that extra bunch of extra muscle or you want to lose that extra weight, then it becomes catatonic where you can actually start breaking things down.

So the key is to keep tricking your body.

The key is like, don't get stuck in any routine.

And even if it's just like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, you know, let's say legs on Monday and arms on Wednesday or whatever, just do the same exercises, but just change the days around.

Yeah.

And that can make a huge difference right there.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

People with these extreme diets and they're telling everyone to get on it, like the carnivore diet or whatever it is, vegan, it's kind of dangerous.

Well, I think it's good for a while, but it's not good for like your life.

Yeah, I agree.

What else are you doing for Biohawks these days?

Well, we come out, you know, we're always doing new things.

And we were focusing this year in 25 on more

learning experiences, getting people really to understand

what to look for and the signs.

Start listening to their inner voice and their bodies to kind of get a feel for

what their body is telling you is good for them.

Because I think mostly we're relying on outside sources to tell us what's good for us or what they read or what they saw on Instagram.

But listen to the voice inside of you.

Like the little doctor, your voice inside of you is a better doctor than me.

Your gut feeling, right?

Yeah.

Be intuitive.

Understand whether it's good for you or not.

You know, you certainly know when, I mean, mean, you interview a lot of people and you can tell from the energy of people that you're with whether or not it resonates for you or not.

Yeah.

There's a test, right, if you hold something up and if your body is weak.

Yeah, that's that can easily, that's a muscle testing I was referring to before.

Right.

I do that basically all the time.

Yeah, you can do it with your iPhone and see how weak your body gets.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

So we're focusing on education.

We're focusing on new

innovative ways to advance the subtle energies.

That theravibration category I mentioned is going to be big, I think, moving forward.

And I'm really loving the contrast therapy stuff because your body responds to stimulants.

That's how we grow.

That's how we learn.

That's how we grow muscle.

That's how we do everything in our body.

It's all about stimulants.

And when you can, and I mentioned this to you earlier, like you can,

we're known for our infrared and for red light therapy and holding onto those subtle energies of sunlight.

So now when the sun brings that energy to the earth, it's streaming it.

It's pretty much sort of in a straight stream.

And your body and nature on the planet is receiving it that way, kind of slow and

is able to interpret it and you're able to absorb it and you're basically on an energetic basis, you're able to digest it.

When you pulse anything, now you're adding that extra stimulus into it.

And so there you have pulsed electromagnetic fields, and now we're pulsing a lot of the other kinds of technologies, infrared technology, red light technology, because

you can go back and forth from pulsing, which is that stimulant, to actually streaming.

And so then your body, again, tricking your body, not allowing your body to get comfortable with any one method to get the most out of it.

I love that.

Yeah, you just had me do the hand thing, right?

Yeah.

And there was red light, and it has the PMF as well.

Yeah.

And we can also pulse it or we can stream it.

And so you can choose which one you want based on what you need.

I love it.

Are you doing any trackables like the mattress or the ring or anything?

I don't, I don't, we track in other ways, like I use the heart rate variability.

There's some challenges with, you know, anything.

It depends on what you're actually looking for.

I like the wearables.

It's great information, but generally they're like static snapshots.

I'm really more into the dynamic view.

So in our expression of heart rate variability, you're actually wearing sensor cuffs.

and we're getting a streaming EKG.

So we're getting a live five-minute feed of your heart heart fluctuation.

That's different than a snapshot.

Yeah.

And so snapshots are good.

And provided that you stay consistent, like if you're taking, if you're using an aura ring, let's say, and you're always getting snapshots, that's a good expression of you over time of what your body is doing from sleeping to movement and things like that.

And I think that that technology is great, certainly better than nothing.

But also, you're wearing some device that's generating a signal into your body too at the same moment, you know?

And so your body is then, your brain is responding to that.

So I kind of, when it comes to sleep studies, I kind of shy away from having the kinds of devices that are generating signals like are wireless because that's actually affecting your brain, you know, in a, in a small way.

No wireless earphones for you, AirPods?

I have them, but I've remediated them.

I fixed the way I fixed them.

Oh, you did?

How?

Yeah.

Because I have these chips and stuff that I

program them.

Yeah, and I'll do yours.

I don't have them because I'm so scared that you math.

Yeah.

I use the wired ones.

Yeah, that's the best way to go, frankly.

I just feel like the wireless is just blasting your brain, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's convenient

and people wear them.

But look, think about you bringing magnetic energy and those signals as close as they can between your either your eyes or your ears are the closest thing to your brain.

Right.

And certainly, I don't wouldn't, if it was just that, we probably wouldn't have much to talk about.

But when you add that to hotspots at Starbucks and, you know, because we can't see these subtle energies, right?

Your body can't resolve people can't respond to it quick enough.

And then they don't realize why they're not sleeping well, why they, you know, are tired, extra tired in the morning, why they're not focused, and why we have things like early dementia and challenges as you get older because, you know, you're a younger generation, but imagine if your generation for the next 20 years were just plugged into all these devices all the time.

We don't know the long-term effects yet.

Yeah.

now we're just starting to feel that.

Could you fix electric vehicles too?

I actually stopped driving mine because I'm worried about all the EMF.

Yes, we can.

Really?

That's exciting.

Yeah, I stopped driving my Tesla because I saw someone hold up a meter while you're charging it.

Oh my gosh.

I recognized that when they first came out.

Wow.

And, you know,

it's not like the companies aren't socially or

they have to be aware, right?

Well, they are, but there, but the problem is that the two agencies that actually control that are the FTC and the FCC.

And there are no health-minded people that sit on those panels.

And so it's all about money.

And, you know, I understand it, but we won't know for 10 or 20 years from now what exactly the effects of some of that is.

And because it's not regulated.

And

a lot of countries, like in Europe, they're going from wireless to wired.

So

because of the very same things that you're already thinking about intuitively.

So I agree.

I mean, I think too much of anything is not good for you anyway.

But with all the new tech that's coming out, there's also

the other power industries that are coming up, like the stuff that we're doing with vibrational harnessing vibrations.

And those things will offset what we're seeing in the sort of a counterculture sort of approach to it.

I think with all the problems that we're going to see from the tech, we're also going to see really cool tech coming out that's going to actually offset or remediate.

Agreed.

What do you think of people like Bill Gates and companies trying to recreate meat, like artificially create it?

Not very much.

I'm not a fan of that either.

Yeah.

I just feel like

it won't be the same, right?

Of course not.

Well, even if you just, let's say we take it away from meat as a food source, but you just look at a synthetic drug versus

what it's emulating in nature.

The synthetics look the same under a microscope as, let's say, penicillin, for instance.

It comes from a fungus from a tree, if you extract it.

If you look at the same organic compound under a microscope, they look identical, but the synthetic is absent the energetics.

And that's what I'm talking about when I talk about the subtle energies.

Right.

You can't see it physically.

Not having that energetic is

so different in the way your body responds to on a cellular level.

And that's that we can measure.

Wow.

I didn't even think of it that way, but that makes so much sense because you could copy it physically.

Exactly.

Copying it energetically, that's probably impossible, right?

For now, at least.

And

that's been our biggest problem.

So a lot of the drug companies and all these groups, I mean, I'm not saying that I'm not, that there's not a place for that kind of, for allopathic medicine or the Western approach.

I'm not saying that at all.

I'm just saying that it may not be necessarily my first choice.

If I could do it naturally, get a natural source, then I think that way my body is responding on a primal level.

And I think that's what we all need to get more back to: primal healing.

Yeah.

And this is coming from someone who battled Lyme disease, right?

Yeah.

So you would try to fix that naturally if it came up again.

Totally.

Yeah.

I think a lot of people get prescribed stuff when they're on Lyme disease or whatever, autoimmune disorder, and they don't know there's other remedies.

Right.

Well, they don't.

And it's also a little bit harder.

Like there's a little bit more work.

You have to own.

You have to own that challenge a little bit.

And it's sort of easy to take a pill, or it's easy to get a shot or, you know, get some IV therapy and stuff like that.

It's much easier to do that.

And I don't necessarily think that faster is right.

I think that in terms of body and nature, it's probably slower, that streaming effect where the body can digest it and you can make those incremental adjustments based on what your body needs from a daily basis.

I think that that's where it comes from.

Absolutely.

Robbie, where can people get in touch with you, man, and then buy your products?

Okay.

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Instagram, you can see us there.

It's Therasage Infrared.

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Info at Therosage.com.

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