Harvard Study Reveals This Sauna's Hidden Advantage | Phillip A Wilson DSH #1099

That being for or against anything exiles you from the God-consciousness state.

Now, I've softened it.

I say being for or against anything locks you into duality and then exiles you

from the God-consciousness state.

Because the secret in life, as we all know, or eventually realize, is to be in the present moment.

All right, guys.

Philip Wilson here, founder and president of Relax Sanas.

Thanks for coming on today.

Thank you.

Actually, I'm the founder of Relax Sanas of Momentum.

That's the marketing company for the Relax Sana.

Nice.

Yes.

Yeah, you're the mastermind then.

Well, I'm a good communicator.

I've been doing this for a long time.

I had an interesting experience in 1970, again in 71, and I got tuned in.

Yeah, we're going to dive straight into it, huh?

Let's do it.

Out-of-body experience in 1970.

That's right.

That's what happened to me.

Yeah, what sparked that?

It was great.

What is that?

What triggered that incident?

A trauma with a girlfriend finding another boyfriend and realizing that he could actually fulfill her needs and I couldn't

as well.

And so I went through about two, three days of being depressed.

I wouldn't have called it depressed, but I was just like a zombie.

Yeah.

And then I had a realization that I needed to get involved in music, art, and dance.

Three years later, I looked back and it wasn't a realization.

It was actually an out-of-body experience where

they took me out of my body, two or three beans, and they showed me the overhang of about the size of six indoor handball courts.

And a third of the portion, women were doing dance.

The other third, they were doing music.

And the other third, they were doing art.

And they were saying, you are so left-brained having an honors degree in mathematics.

You need to start feeling, man, you need to start feeling.

And so I had to pick myself up by the bootstraps and start,

you know, I mean, to me, it's like I thought the secret of life is all you had to feel, not realizing it's the balance between feeling and thinking.

And that's, that's really exemplified very well in one of Herman Hess's books, Narcissus and Goldman.

And I read that book

my first year of graduate school for about a month and a half.

And I'd be walking back to the classes and always just,

that's, that it consumed me.

Wow.

and that's that's what life's about.

It's finding, I was talking to a dancer friend of mine.

I said, All you have to do is feel.

She said, I don't know, I've been a feeler all my life, I think I need to think more.

And so, one of my favorite sayings is actually it's a Paul Twitchell quote: He said, Thinking without feeling brings about woe, like Hamlet, a woe is me, congenitated in thought,

and feeling without thinking brings grief.

And so, you know, having

been almost sort of like violating that principle for my first 20-some years,

it is just, it's driven me.

Another famous quote,

another one by Paul Twitchell is

that being for or against anything exiles you from the God-consciousness state.

Now, I've softened it.

I say being for or against anything locks you into duality and then exiles you

from the God-consciousness state.

state because the secret in life as as we all know or eventually realize is to be in the present moment

yeah present super important and it's important to both have both feeling and logic yes exactly I was similar to you I lived very logically yes yes

when did I do psychedelics yeah probably like 20 years yeah yeah well I remember when I was teaching honors calculus as a as an undergraduate Indiana University I remember one of the students one of the best students in the class, he would just be gazing right here, right through his third eye.

You know, that's before I even knew what a third eye was.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's incredible.

You were teaching honors college?

Yeah, as a, as a, as a junior, as a,

as a senior in, in, in college, yes.

I could not pass that college.

Well, I wasn't.

I mean, I was a TA for it.

Okay.

Yeah.

I couldn't pass pre-Calc, man.

I could not do it.

And I needed to pass that to get into the business school at Rutgers.

Yeah.

And I just couldn't pass.

So I failed out of college.

Well, could have been a good thing in disguise.

Yes.

Like I was going to be a PhD in math.

And then because of the out of biotic experience and because of the Kundalini awakening a year and a half later,

where all my cells of my body were like,

I mean, it's sort of funny because when I go back to those days when I was meditating and just all my cells were vibrating, I said, oh my gosh, when I'm in the relaxed sauna, it feels just like that.

Wow.

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Like a step-down version of basking in divine love.

And I said, oh my God, you know?

Yes, you're vibrating in the sauna sometimes.

Yeah.

I mean, it's like you close your eyes and then and then, and see what happens is the Relax Sauna company, it took 10 years from 1987 to 1997 to create a certain vibratory rate, a certain frequency of light, certain wavelength.

turns out it's between seven and 14 microns.

And it took them 10 years.

They were wanting to get hot springs energy in southern Japan where people would go to be healed.

Yeah.

And so they somehow, and it took 10 years to figure out how to take electricity and have it to generate that same frequency of light.

Now, after the fact, that's the same frequency that Dr.

Yamasaki, Toshiba Yamasaki, she wrote a book called

The Science of Fire Infrother Therapy.

And she says, when you give the 7 to 14 micron frequency, it vibrates the water, weakens the ionic bonds, and helps release toxic, poisonous gases and heavy metals out of the body.

Wow.

Yeah.

And that's what they figured out for the sauna?

Well, it's sort of like, I don't know how it all happened, but we sent the relaxed sauna and two other portable saunas.

to Harvard MIT Science and Technology Lab about six months ago.

They came back and said the relaxed Sona, the frequency, they have sophisticated measuring tools, was between 7 and 14 microns.

Whoa.

And we sent it to Polytech University in LA about a year before, same results.

For 60 minutes, all between 7 and 14.

Dang, that's impressive.

And what was interesting is, I've been saying for years, well, we have 100% far infrared rate.

And the other saunas have 20 to 50%.

We don't know.

They don't tell you.

But the two other saunas we sent came back, the frequency was one to six and 0.95 to 1.32.

That's 8% far infrared ray on the $1,300 portable sauna and on the $250 Amazon, 100% near.

But what was more important was, you know, first of all, we had 112th the EMF.

of the and 180th of the EMF of those two saunas.

But the important data was we had three and a half times the penetration, depth, and intensity than the other sauna.

Damn, four and a half times the Amazon sauna.

That's impressive.

And so I've been going around, and now I'm just, I say, hey, the Relax Sauna is a $20,000 sauna selling for $1,500.

In 2025, it'll be selling for $1,700.

And it's three times more potent than any $8,000 wooden sauna.

Whoa, that's incredible.

And that's because that light between 7 and 14 micron, that's the magic frequency

where it penetrates and absorbed by the body because you don't resist it because you are 9.4 microns.

The water is 8 microns.

So you can't tell it's not you.

So if you can't tell it's not you, you don't have your defenses up and it penetrates and absorbed.

Yeah.

Yes.

I'm glad I'm talking to you because you got to do your research with saunas.

Like you see them at Costco or Amazon and you can't just base it off the price, right?

Well, you know, every again, when you get a

B supplement or a zinc supplement or vitamin C, you find out what's the dose, how many tablets, you know, what are the excipients and all that.

But, but not all saunas are alike.

There's a detox specialist in Las Vegas who had that $1,300 sauna.

She had the higher dose blanket and they left her depleted.

Yeah.

When she got the relaxed sauna, it left her revitalized and detoxed even more.

So she just gave them away.

She gave away our sauna?

Yeah.

That's hilarious.

It's like you cut your losses.

Yeah, you brought some boats with you.

What's going on with these?

Oh, well,

this one is detoxify or die.

This spawned the far infrared sauna industry.

Dr.

Sherry Rogers was an environmental medical doctor.

And she

people with multi-chemical sensitivity and environmental concerns were left to dead by the medical establishment.

And she got them all healthy by using far-infrared saunas in the 1990s.

Wow, far-infrared.

So what makes that one so much better than the other forms of light, I guess?

Well, she calls the far-infrared sauna the superior sauna.

See, because the,

and this guy, Dr.

Bill Akpinar, he's a...

He's a cancer doctor, an acupuncturist, a Qigong master.

He has a center of spiritual healing in

New York.

He uses ozone.

He's amazing.

And he's been using the relaxed sauna for about 10, 15 years.

Nice.

And he's been promoting it.

And he says this sauna creates more heat shock proteins than any other sauna by far.

And

he

has talks about the history of saunas.

They've been using...

whether the Finns were using it or the Greek Baths, the Turks, the Amazon Indians, the American Indians, every culture has found a way to raise body temperature a little bit.

And Hippocrates, the Greek guy, the father of modern medicine, he said, find me a way to create fever and sweat, and I will cure any disease.

Wow.

So, you know, it's like, you know, again, people have no clue.

I got a degree in math, and my book.

forthcoming is called Pictures of the Mind, Freeing Yourself from Beliefs That No Longer Serve You.

And so I'm I'm aware of pictures.

And when people think of a sauna, they think of a wooden sauna.

They don't think of a portable sauna where your head sticks out like this.

And that's what the relaxed ones are, right?

Yes, this is a portable sauna.

And people, like Rebecca Harter, I didn't bring her book.

It's called

Gastra Girl, Healing the World One Colon at a Time.

And she said that for 10 years, she'd go by the shows when we were having booths every year.

And she'd just turn her nose and say, well, I have a a wooden sauna.

This certainly couldn't do it that, what my sauna does.

So it's like my cell phone couldn't certainly do what a desktop computer did 10 years ago.

It's like people just, they did, they just don't understand.

And that's okay.

And so I'm an educator.

That's that's what I do.

It's, it's my, it's my fun because I'm always challenged.

And, you know, I, you know, it's funny whenever I talk to people, and I've put probably 150,000 people in the sauna at

since for the last 22 years at about 500 professional and consumer shows.

And I've seen about 30,000 minor or major miracles.

Wow.

And

I never know what I'm going to say because I insist on being in the present moment so that I can say what they need to hear to make a change so their life can be transformed.

Now, we all know that the relaxed sauna will transform any house into a home because where there's a home, there's a hearth, a place of warmth.

Yep.

You could put in an apartment with this one.

You can't do that with a wooden one.

No.

It would be tough.

You know, we had a massage therapist from Dallas call me and said, hey, my landlord won't let me have saunas.

I said, hey, the relaxed sauna is not a sauna.

Prairie dog's not a dog.

You know, I heard that if you if you call a koala bear, a bear in Australia, they'll actually lynch you.

What?

No, that's kidding.

I'm just joking.

Damn.

but they're offended yeah although i don't believe in being offended yeah i don't i don't try to let my emotions control how i react yeah i i quit doing that i quit being embarrassed those things are long gone yeah yeah you you experience them and you you get the lessons and you finally realize that it's it's not very um it doesn't matter as much as you think no pythagoras talked about the law of efficiency You know, he's one of my heroes.

He was a great, he was the father of modern mathematics, but he was also a spiritual teacher.

You know what they called him?

What did they call him?

They called him the son of Apollo.

Son of Apollo, wow.

You know what that's like?

That's like calling him the son of God.

Yeah, high expectations.

Yeah, that's how he was revered

in ancient Greece when he was teaching.

And he divided mathematics into four categories.

Numbers in motion, numbers at rest, figures in motion, figures at rest.

Numbers and rest is called number theory.

Yeah.

Figures at rest, geometry.

Figures in motion is called stereometry or astrology and astronomy.

And numbers in motion is called harmony or music.

Wow.

Yeah.

So he invented all four of those?

Well, I don't know if he invented it, but yeah, he also did a musical scale and everything.

And it was a spiritual practice and he called it the music of the spheres.

So when you meditated, you could actually hear the inner sound.

And that's how you travel back into the heart of creation on the sound.

And the light is for you so you can see

what's going on.

That's the mental understanding, but it's a sound that you travel on.

Damn.

So you've studied a lot of history, a lot of ancient.

Well, you know, I was having all these out-of-body experiences and all these while meditating.

So is that astral projection in your experience?

No, no, it's not.

You just get into the present moment.

And see, you know,

reincarnation is a very clumsy way of saying everything's happening at the same time.

So if you get in the present moment, wherever you want to be, if you want to be in 1906

at the San Francisco fire,

you just put your attention there and there you are.

See, there is no time and space.

That's one of my mantras whenever I get all messed up.

Okay, there's no time and space.

You know, here I am.

And so, but,

and this is, so I've been, you know,

basically

every moment of my life focusing on being in the present moment because there's nowhere else that you really can be

and

so you know this is just what I do and I just pretend I'm a merchant

because it's it's the way I you know make my way in the world I have to make sure that the body gets fed and have I have it housed yeah but I'm not I'm not this body I'm just in the body you know as a you know

we need a clay shell to communicate with that's that's the law of this world

so I use use this body to communicate and I just make sure I have fun.

That's fascinating.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can't live in the past, can't live in the future.

No, there only is the present moment.

And so

it's fun talking to you because you understand my language, because you yourself have had experiences that are similar to what I'm talking about.

Oh, yeah.

That's why we can relate.

I used to have bad anxiety and I realized I was living in the past too much.

You know, I was thinking about old memories that were irrelevant.

So I would have terrible anxiety.

They put me on Xanax.

It was terrible.

Right.

Well, you know, I had

when I had that Kundalini awakening, I ate meat three days later, a steak.

And it's like, oh my God, I was like, I could not, it took me about seven hours of meditating.

I felt like I was on thorazine or something.

I've never been on thorazine, but I've seen people on it.

And so that was one of the experiences.

And then I was doing these yoga exercises way back and I think that was 71.

And

then I had a whole lot of other experiences.

I've been very blessed, have many dreams.

And I'm actually, you know, sometimes you get out of sorts.

The last couple of years, I've been out of sorts, but I'm just now getting back in tune and having good meditations again.

You just

have to accept it and honor what's going on.

And then when you honor it, it passes.

This mistake affected your meditation, though?

Oh, at that time, no, it didn't affect the meditation.

I had to meditate to feel, to be able to feel, to feel alive.

Wow.

Then three days later, I had some ham and the same thing happened.

So I just had to change my whole diet.

And it was like for, I was basically, this is what, I mean, you know, it's just what I needed to do.

I was living on dates, cashews, and figs as about 80% of my diet for about nine months.

Oh, so now you're back to eating meat?

Yeah, that was like 71.

Okay.

Yeah, I can eat anything now.

I was vegetarian for a long, long time.

And now, you know, I can eat fish or chicken or, you know, I eat steak about once a year and

pig about once every three years.

You know,

I, you know, whatever I do, I'm willing to pay the consequences.

Yeah, pig's a tough one.

I feel like a lot of the, like, the way they're raised matters, right?

Yeah.

So with pigs, it's, it's tough to have a good quality pig.

Well, it's just, you know, sometimes, you know,

I've realized all these years that it's it's a pleasure principle.

If the pain of doing something finally is more than the pleasure, that's when and only when I stop doing it.

It's like, you know, that's, you know, I think after everyone checks this out, it's pretty much true.

Yeah.

You know, but at the same time, the true sukha is when you can be in the present moment and you can feel totally free.

And then when you're totally free, you can truly love.

And this is why I love the relax sauna.

Now, when you go out into the sun on a hot day and you and that searing sun, you close your eyes and it goes through your clothes to the bone, that feeling you have, that's a nice feeling, huh?

Yeah.

That's what it feels like being in the relaxed sauna

because we give you only 100% of the far infrared light.

that resonates with the water and your body.

And that's the difference.

Like we were talking about different supplements.

You know, they're all like the detox lady was saying,

all saunas are different.

They all have different doses and no one even thinks of looking.

You know, they never think of saying, well, what frequency is the light?

And then people are going around saying, well, full spectrum.

That sounds pretty impressive because I used to, I studied John Ott.

And

he wrote a book, Health and Light.

And there was a situation where in a fourth grade class, four of the kids had come down with leukemia.

And they were, what's going on?

It turned out the teacher would close the blinds every day or the drapes, and they wouldn't get any real sunlight.

So they only had the fluorescent light.

And so, you know,

I've been selling in my health food store that I opened in 1980.

because I couldn't do math anymore because after that experience,

when you experience a form of reality that I experienced, doing math is like mundane.

You know, it's like they're greater problems.

Like when I'm meditating, you know, just problems get solved.

That was my specialty

in high school.

I was published Solving Problems in National High School Magazine.

Yeah, you were number two in the state of Indiana.

Number two.

Number

four, number three, number two.

Yes.

Correct.

Number two in college, number four, and number three in high school.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yes.

You are on pace to be one of the top mathematicians in the world.

I went to a summer program in mathematics at the University of Illinois with 33 gifted math students.

And that was my trajectory.

And it all got waylaid.

And, you know, and when I lost interest in math, I said, damn, I wasted 10 years of my life doing math.

And then so I had to read about Bertrand Russell.

I read about Lewis Carroll.

And

I read about Pythagoras.

I had to do all this studying to, and here's what was the clincher.

Socrates said there's a purification of soul that occurs when you do mathematics.

Yeah.

And so I finally accepted the fact that I did not waste 10 years of my life.

Okay.

And

in the learning of mathematics, I gained a lot of experiences.

And I apply those mathematical solving, problem solving.

to problems we all have in our everyday life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I think everything happens for a reason.

I was addicted to video games growing up as a kid, and most parents would say that's terrible for you, but I learned a lot from it.

That's right.

You know, absolutely.

And that's, that's what, you know, I, a couple of years ago, I, I realized that, you know, you honor, you don't just honor your mother and father.

You honor everyone.

And that, and that means you're not judging them.

And the worst thing we can do is to judge people, you know, because when you judge someone, what?

Let's judge you not lest ye be judged.

And I, and I discovered the antidote of judging

yeah i try my best not to do it i used to do it a lot yeah i think it's common to do it growing up well it's like it's like a light switch you turn it off and you turn on observation you observe which comes from the word serve so when you're observing a sunset you don't say the purple should go where the orange is you know you just appreciate it right and so there's a there's a dark lining i discovered in every judgment that distinguishes it from an observation

it's It's called the complaint.

Yeah, that's the next level, right?

Complaint.

So this is what I do.

And on the side, I promote the relaxed sauna because when people get in the relaxed sauna, I'm at shows all the time.

And about 20 years ago, two young women in their 20s, one said, and then an hour later, the other lady said the same exact thing.

Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm being hugged by my loving grandma.

And then two hours later,

another lady said the same thing

and um

today i have a cough okay that's just part of what i have to experience and accept you know and so it's getting in my way a little bit but i'm not letting it bother me

but um i'm not i'm normally not like this just so the audience knows yeah great mindset to have though the what great mindset to have though yeah

i i appreciate that and so um

the

the the far

light, and when you're in the relaxed sauna, it's only fitting that it feels like your grandma is giving you a loving hug.

You're in the presence of a Qigong master, a great spiritual being, giving you unconditional love.

You're in a beach in Hawaii, or you're basking in divine love.

And that's, and those all four things have in common, unconditional love, which means that the energy that you're experiencing in the relaxed sauna.

Now, the relaxed sauna is different than any other sauna because they don't have carbon panels or that,

I can't even think of ceramic something or other.

They have computer chips, semiconductor chips, and

we have a double radiator, not panels.

And see, this is a $20,000 sauna selling for $1,500.

It can do what...

I mean, I say it's more powerful than

any wooden sauna.

All saunas are going to be good.

You know, if you

live five miles from a grocery store, someone gives you a bicycle, you're excited.

You're telling everyone.

Yep.

When you get a Mercedes, you can actually take the groceries back.

You know, so everything has its value

and you don't want to be for or against anything.

You know, everything is a lesson that gets you to where you are now.

Agreed.

So with this one, your head sticks out, right?

Your head sticks out.

Do you feel like the head needs to be detoxed too, though?

Well, it does because the blood circulates all over the body.

Now, I, I mean, you're sort of tall,

but even though you're tall, you can duck your head.

Okay.

And I put my head in about 50%, 60% of the time.

Sometimes, you know,

for 25 straight minutes.

Got it.

Other times, I don't want to.

Sometimes I meditate.

Sometimes I'm on my cell phone checking my texts.

You know, so, but, but it's like when I put people in conferences, and I mean,

this one plastic surgeon, you know, he was just raving about it because he said, my gosh, I can put people in while they're doing IV therapy.

I can put people in before they get any kind of massage therapy.

But he said, when he came out,

he said, my gosh, my shoulder doesn't hurt anymore.

And if, I mean, I'd be rich if I had a dime for every person who said my pain went away.

And so I've got two things I I say to people before they go into the sauna at conferences, or this is how I get them in.

These are my

claws or whatever, my hooks.

I say, it feels like your grandma's giving you a loving hug.

I get half them in that way.

And the

other people don't budge.

So I say, well, guaranteed 50% to 100% of your pain without sweating.

five to seven minutes with your clothes on will be gone every time, every time.

Wow.

And so, people who are not going to go in because they're sitting there in pain, but they're not letting anyone know.

Because, you know, I'm surprised how many people have pain.

It's common these days, right?

Yeah.

Inflammation.

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

Inflammation.

So when people go in,

all of a sudden, I mean, miracles after miracle after miracle.

Yeah.

We sold like 20 saunas this weekend at the

energy lung launch.

Oh, I didn't even see your booth there.

We were at 9041.

Oh, you were in the 900?

Yeah, there were 700 booths.

Yes.

It took me like four hours just to get through half of it.

You know, I forgot to contact you and said, hey, do you need a ticket?

We're here.

But anyway, I saw Charlie.

Oh, nice.

You know, and this friend of mine says, hey, you know, this guy's pretty impressive.

Go talk to him.

And he's wearing your t-shirt.

I said, hey, I'm being interviewed tomorrow at

what a time?

Two o'clock.

Small world.

Yeah.

So we had a good connect.

He said, boy, that sauna was amazing.

I love it.

But we have about, 900 testimonials on YouTube.

You put in relaxed sauna testimonials and a lot of them come up.

Then you saw the website.

Yes.

When I was doing research for this episode, I couldn't stop scrolling.

It was so many testimonials.

You had all sorts, back pain, arthritis, weight loss, improving digestion.

Yeah, all sorts of testimonials.

Yeah.

And about 100 of those are people.

Like I got a guy from Louisville.

He said, hey, we've been using your sauna for 20 years.

You know, there's no sauna like it.

The relaxed sauna is by far you know and then so can i do an interview so he gave me a 30-second interview yeah

and this happens all the time uh dr billica was there

he gave me his third interview we met him at a cancer conference about 15 years ago on thursday night before the show started he was in his his gym clothes doing a 25-minute sweat and when he got out said we're going to sell this sauna now at my at my uh health clinic wow yeah night and day Then there was a while where you know he was busy and his staff decided another, this $1,300 sauna was

better because

they have a good spiel.

And so for a while they were selling that and then and then Dr.

Billick came in and tested it one day, said, my gosh, the energy is clean, you know.

Yeah, the EMF, right?

Yeah.

And the other one wasn't.

And that's what Harvard MIT said.

We had 112th the EMF of that sauna.

Wow.

And they're a low EMF, EMF full spectrum sauna.

See, but full spectrum is a myth.

Full spectrum means what natural means.

It means nothing.

Full spectrum means it's just infrared.

And say, you know.

All these labels are misleading.

Well, yeah,

this is, again,

what's humorous.

And that's what I, you just have to laugh.

Yeah.

Because otherwise you're going to cry.

And the tears need to come out.

To let them come out as laughter.

Well, usually the best company in any industry just has the best marketing.

It's rarely the product.

Yes.

You know?

Right.

And so we're working on getting our marketing up to stuff,

but

we do have by far the most therapeutic sauna.

We have five cancer clinics selling it.

We have Dr.

Robert O.

Young.

He's been using saunas for 35 years.

He's got $30,000 saunas, but he uses the relaxed sauna.

Yeah.

I got two testimonies of his.

I might keep one at the studio while guests are waiting, you know?

Absolutely.

Wouldn't be a bad idea.

Five to seven minutes.

That's not bad at all.

And no sweat.

That's the sell.

That's the selling point right there because people don't want to get in before because they might see it.

Well, also the instant on.

I mean, I've had doctors say, what we like best about you is instant on.

My wooden one takes an hour to heat up.

And I haven't even measured the EMF on that one, to be honest.

So it could be pretty high.

Well, you know, I've got a guy at Oklahoma.

He's got 12, 14 EMF.

protectors that he's tested.

He's selling two of them.

And he says the Relax Sona radiator is more effective than any of those EMF protectors.

Whoa.

Yes.

See, a lot of people don't realize far-infrared ray energy, according to Dr.

Yamasaki in her book, The Science of Far infrared therapy, that far-infrared antidotes, negative effects of microwave EMF.

Like this one guy.

I have an interview of him.

He says, these things are microwave devices

and they are 100 times more dangerous than any household appointment.

Oh, I can see it.

I just had to turn off my facial recognition.

Yes.

Because I met someone at the conference yesterday, EMF Rocks.

He had a booth.

And he said if you point it at your face or whatever, it's like way stronger.

Right.

Yeah.

So I turned that off.

But I need to find an EMF protector.

Well, use the Relax on it.

Yeah, yeah.

But I bought a Faraday bag.

You can't use your phone, obviously, while it's in it.

Well, you know, by using the Relax on it, see, it's like I tell people, you know, people come to my booth and I say, hey, if you've got, if you've been damaged by EMF, and most people haven't, it's the fear of EMF.

Like Harry Potter, you say Voldemir and they're afraid, you know.

But just the mention of EMF just puts fear into people's minds, you know, and hearts.

But it's the,

if, if you,

you know, like I said, the.

Dr.

Yamasaki said the far-infrared energy antidote to the ill effects.

And I tell people, if you've been damaged by EMF,

get a relaxed sauna.

It will undo the damage.

That's cool.

And yet people accuse,

they think, they look at the relaxed sauna.

Does that have dangerous EMF?

And they don't realize it.

And that's why, see, near-infrared and mid-INFRET are good.

They have their place.

The near-infrared lasers are good.

The near-infrared light bulbs, we tested in 2004, they can't do what the far-infrared energy does.

We are significantly more in penetration and in helping circulation.

Near-infrared penetrates one to two millimeters.

The relax sauna, the far infrared penetrates 40 to 50 millimeters or one and a half to two inches.

So if that's the case, how do you think turtle eggs hatch?

Oh.

The chicken lies on.

No, the chickens don't do that.

Neither do the turtles.

The far infrared sun.

Okay, far light from the sun goes to the sand two inches and resonates with the water in turtle eggs.

And that increases the body temperature.

Wow.

And the turtle hatches.

That's crazy.

Yes.

And it's like...

Just from the sunlight.

Yes.

Interesting.

Yeah.

And when they have Premis, they shine far infred light on the little babies.

And when they get normal, stupidly, they stop

instead of letting them.

All babies, what a wonderful way to come in the world, being embraced by divine love.

Yeah.

You know, by loving light.

We call it loving light.

We have 100 loving light that's the ingredients of our product yep it's like curcumin is the active ingredient in uh in turmeric and uh people have saunas no sauna tells you this is our frequency they say oh it's it's it's it's uh this temperature yeah well you know and they talk about the temperature as if it's important because in the finished saunas temperature is important

but the mayo clinic says 2004 if you're a heart patient of ours, do not use a finished sauna, do not use a hot tub.

Far infrared saunas, however, are extremely therapeutic because they raise body temperature.

Now,

see, the heart has to race to find an equilibrium between the inside and the outside temperature.

And if you raise body temperature, raise core temperature, there's no racing of the heart.

Now,

a golden measurement of how effective and how therapeutic a far infrared sauna is, or an infrared sauna, is how much it increases heart rate variability.

So in 2017, in February, this guy, I don't even know him,

he says, look at this research on infrared saunas, these wooden saunas.

Oh my God, if this $250 Amazon can do that, I'm sitting pretty.

So he ordered one.

Increased body temperature a half a degree only in 25 minutes.

Heart rate variability, it didn't do anything close to what it was supposed to do in the research.

Okay.

And again, you know, we sent one of them to Harvard MIT Science and Technology Lab, and the report came back that they were 100% near, you know, which I was shocked because I always, you know, and, you know, and the other sauna, the $1,300 was only 8% far, 37%

mid, and 55% near.

And

so at any rate,

the energies coming from these saunas,

what you want is you want the far because the more far, there's a guy, his name is Matt something or other, Matt Justice, and he says the more far you have, the more therapeutic your sauna is.

And we have 100% far between that magic frequency.

And that's why we're able to get results with Lyme disease, with chronic pain.

You know, I don't want to say the C word, but we get results.

And we even have two women who got the shots in 2021, and they cried after going in the sauna for five to seven minutes because they had feeling in their fingers for the first time

in two years.

That's crazy.

And the other one could feel the circulation in her legs for the first time.

Yeah.

So we have,

we were in Detroit for a conference and the lady was in a wheelchair and she got in and she said, I've been having, I got a flu shot like 13 years ago.

And she'd had shooting pain in her feet for 13 years.

In 10 minutes, gone.

No way.

Gone.

Crazy.

A year, a month and a half later, she called, she told me she's out of her wheelchair.

Holy crap.

And we did the same thing in Dallas about eight years ago.

Put a lady in.

That's beautiful, man.

Out here changing lives.

Right.

That's That's incredible.

Transform.

See, and like I said, it transforms your house into a home because where there's a home, there's a hearth.

But it does, I tell people, this will transform your health and your life in three days to three weeks.

Guaranteed.

Yeah.

We'll put a link in the description below along with a code, guys, for a little discount.

Anything else you want to close off with, Philip?

Well, the website is relaxsaunas with an S.com.

We have

seven, I mean, about 900 testimonies.

I've been interviewed like this about 15, 20 times.

We have a web page for that.

We have a web page for all the talks I've given.

And

the relaxed sauna truly is different.

And we have, like I said, about 100 different testimonies from people saying, I've been in many saunas.

This is the one that I use.

It feels better.

We get better results at our clinic.

And, you know, you honor all other saunas.

And sometimes it's just so hard when someone's got a wooden sauna and they think they've got it.

You know, but there's always another,

there's always something greater in the horizon.

And it's always important to be open because I run into people,

you know, on every level.

You know, well, I already have a sauna.

I said, that's nice.

You know, it's like...

like the 2008 presidential debates, but you're no Jack Kennedy.

You know, it's like, yes, but you don't have a relaxed sauna.

And I don't know how to convey to you that this is different.

And the only way I can say is experience the difference and then you can feel the momentum.

And people come away.

Like one of the testimonials we got, this lady, she's from Alaska.

And she said, after three minutes after she got out, oh my God, she was like so,

so clear, so tuned in.

It's like, it's magical.

And so the relaxed sauna is the magical sauna.

It's the spiritual sauna.

It's a sauna that gives you the pure, loving light.

All the saunas are good.

But if you haven't tried the relaxed sauna, you're missing the boat.

And you're going to give a special discount code.

Yeah, we'll link it below, guys.

Stay tuned.

Thanks for coming on.

I've been using it for 22 years almost every morning.

There we go.

And it's just amazing.

It's like such a blessing.

I have so much fun.

And like we had eight people working at the A4M show.

And it's so cool when someone comes out and says,

God, you helped transform my life.

That's incredible.

Yeah, God.

Check it out below.

Check them out at a future trade show.

Thanks for coming on, Philip.

That was awesome.

See you guys.