Why Your Oxygen Therapy Might Be Holding You Back | Steven Scott DSH #1058

They don't get cancer.

Like the chance of them dying at 30 years old is the same as them dying at two years old.

Really?

Or five years old?

Because yeah, like most, most, for most animals and humans, the older we get, the greater chance we have of dying from disease and whatnot.

So they don't have that?

They don't have that.

Holy crap.

They don't, basically they don't age.

This needs to be talked about on Joe Rogan.

Yeah, you can do naked mole rats.

I did not know they lived that long.

Carbon dioxide expert here today, Stephen Scott.

Thanks for coming on.

Yeah, thanks for having me on.

Yeah, I just tried the machine, and it was an interesting experience.

Yeah, yeah.

To say the least.

What was your experience of it?

Definitely tough breathing in there.

I was trying not to hyperventilate, honestly.

Yeah, yeah.

So it was a bit of a mental game because we were also conversing while I was doing it.

Yeah, yeah.

It's hard to talk about.

But it probably gets easier, I assume, over time, right?

It does.

You build up your CO2 tolerance,

which makes it easier to breathe.

So I can breathe like, I think you were like 3% or 4% for me, because I've been doing it for a while, that'd be pretty easy.

So I could hold a conversation basically.

But

even

for my mom,

she's 75 years old and she does 1% or 2%.

And she's breathing really fast.

A lot of it has to do with their CO2 tolerance because CO2 actually is

the stimulus for breathing

even more than oxygen, even more than the lack of oxygen, I should say.

Hypoxia is less of a stimulus to breathe than CO2.

So CO2 causes you to breathe faster.

Like when you exercise, you're getting more CO2 in

your system.

Right.

I noticed that when I put it on, I was like, why am I breathing faster?

Like, I was like, what the hell?

But that makes sense.

And as we get older, your oxygen levels go down, right?

I wouldn't say you're active.

I mean, you still, like, if you look at a pulse oximeter,

you're someone that's older,

your

hemoglobin saturation of oxygen should still be, when you're older, it's still going to be close to like 96 to 100, which means all of your red blood cells are on the hemoglobin, it's holding all of the oxygen that it can hold.

But potentially, like the amount of red blood cells you have, and also like

your

as you age, you have more capillary senescence.

So, you have less

tissue perfusion to the cells.

Your capillaries are kind of deteriorating as you age, and you're getting less blood flow to all of your tissues and cells and whatnot.

So, would this help kind of mitigate that?

It would actually, yeah.

There was a study done showing that one of the things that exercise does is that it increases your capillary density and it restores capillaries that have become senescent, like become damaged and not functioning as well.

And CO2 therapy is actually more effective than oxygen, according to these studies,

at increasing your capillary density and also increasing your mitochondria.

So it's like CO2 itself is like a signal to create more mitochondria and create better mitochondria quality and everything like like that.

That's that's very interesting to me that is more effective because I would say oxygen therapy is more mainstream.

It is, yeah.

Not many people really know about CO2 therapy.

It's it's been

around like

for

people doing CO2 therapy for probably like hundreds of I mean centuries actually really yeah wow.

I mean if you look at natural springs there like in ancient Greek times biblical times people built cities around these natural springs and people would go there to receive healing And they would sit in these baths, and they were found to be naturally high in very high in carbon dioxide.

Interesting.

So, they just didn't know the science behind it, but they were

noticed the effect of it.

And

they would actually literally build cities around these springs.

Holy crap!

So, warm springs have high amounts of carbon dioxide in them?

Yeah, certain ones do, yeah.

Okay, that's good to know.

Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, and go on, yeah.

There's also historically, there's in the 1700s, there was actually, they started, even at the very, very beginning when they first started to

understand carbon dioxide and what it is,

there was a book written in 1792 where they had two women with ulcerated breast tumors,

and

they built some contraption where they would put like 100% CO2 on the tumor, and it actually, for one of the women, it actually caused the tumor to completely reverse.

Whoa.

And for the other women, it cured the cancer for that woman, but for both of them, it significantly reduced the pain because there was a lot of pain associated with this ulcerated breast tumor coming out of their skin and whatnot.

So it's very pain-relieving, and it's been used quite a lot throughout history.

And it's something that's really been forgotten.

I mean,

you look at like biohackers today or like influencers, no one's talking about carmadows.

They're talking about like red light therapy, maybe oxygen therapy.

You're the first person I met talking about it.

Yeah, yeah.

I've met a a lot of biohackers.

There's one, I guess, one person that really popularized it.

I mean, it's not popular, but one person that gave more credibility is James Nestor.

I've heard of him, actually.

Yeah, he wrote Breath.

Right.

And he talks about breathing in a certain way where you retain more carbon dioxide.

And

he talks a little bit about carbon dioxide in his book, but not in depth.

Yeah, because certain breath work techniques, I'm assuming, kind of follow this principle, right?

Certain ones do, like, especially buteko.

Yeah.

Like, bouteko method is you breathe very

like gently and slowly so you're like you're breathing in a certain way to retain more carbon dioxide and

he

like he he was a russian uh

physician back in the 1950s and he he discovered that his chronically ill patients they would tend to hyperventilate.

So the more chronically ill they were, the more they tended to hyperventilate.

And so he thought, what if I slow my breathing down?

And he did.

And he himself, he had very high blood pressure.

He had hit health problems.

He had tried everything to like resolve those.

And just by slowing down his breath and retaining more CO2, he was able to overcome his high blood pressure.

It became normalized.

And he overcame a lot of his health issues.

And

he basically, according to him, became almost superhuman.

He required less sleep.

He had more energy.

Was able to, more resilient to stress and everything like that.

Yeah, breath work is powerful, man.

I've seen some interesting techniques.

I've seen one where you only have, you breathe once a minute.

Oh, once a minute, okay.

You do that for, I think, 30 to 60 minutes.

Yeah, that's like an extreme version of like buteca breathing.

Okay.

So you're, that way you're retaining more carbon dioxide.

You're building up your, your CO2 tolerance.

Yeah.

Yeah.

People have reported like hallucinations on that method.

Pretty crazy, right?

Yeah, I mean, that method, it might be.

Do the

hallucinations might be more like from lack of oxygen, potentially.

Like if you're using up all of your oxygen and then you're getting less oxygen to your tissues like have you seen that breath work where you like

like they do it for like trauma work like that and like hyperventilate breathing really fast box breathing right box breathing that's more like you breathe in for four seconds you breathe out for four seconds yeah like you do

there's like some certain like trauma work where you go to these workshops and you go like oh yeah i've seen clips of that yeah yeah so is that good or no um

For some people, it can cause a seizure, potentially.

Holy crap.

So you're actually getting more oxygen when you do that?

You would think you're like, oh, I'm getting more oxygen.

I'm getting more oxygen to my cells, but actually the opposite is happening.

You're getting less oxygen to your cells.

Like oxygen by itself will create vasoconstriction.

So it means you're getting all of your arterial system is restricting.

So you're getting less, you're getting less oxygen to your tissues.

And if you do it for a long period of time, your fingers will start curling up and like you're like

some people could have a seizure.

Holy crap.

And I think it partially releases trauma from

cutting off circulation to like the frontal cortex of your brain.

So you're like opening up like some of the areas of your brain that you were suppressing before, some of the more primal areas of the brain.

And so some of those like those memories and feelings aren't aren't being suppressed by your by your frontal cortex, like your your consciousness.

That's interesting.

What do you think of the Wim Hof method?

Some people use that method.

They hold their breath for like five minutes.

Is that good, do you think?

Yeah,

I think it's pretty effective.

And it's I think the Wim Hof method also has to do with like intermittent hypoxia.

So

you're also kind of hyperventilating that too a little bit.

And

so you're creating this hypoxia in the body from breathing more.

But sometimes that's good because when you do hypoxia intermittently, you're killing off some of the weak mitochondria, you could say.

So the effects of like

doing

that type of breathing or like...

If you do like intermittent hypoxia, what you're doing is you're killing off some of the

weak mitochondria, which seems to be beneficial, and you're building like hypoxia itself will also help build more like capillary density.

It will create angiogenesis.

So you're basically

creating more vasculature to the tissues and everything.

So it can be beneficial, but it's, well, for some people, it could be dangerous, especially elderly people.

If you look at,

this happens in anesthesia sometimes.

I have a friend who, Lewis Coleman, he wrote a book called 50 Years Loss of Medical Advance.

And he has a method of anesthesia where he actually builds up people's CO2 levels.

And most of the time in anesthesia, you're like, you're giving the patient oxygen.

You're kind of hyperventilating them.

So they're actually getting less oxygen to their tissues.

And then for older people, you're basically

like our body tends to store CO2.

Like the average person has like 130 liters of CO2 in their body at any time.

And oxygen, we don't store oxygen, even though it's so essential to life.

You don't store any oxygen because it's toxic.

Interesting.

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

So oxygen is toxic.

It is, yeah.

Because when people think of oxygen, they assume life, like you're breathing in life.

Right.

It's toxic, creates free radicals, reactive oxygen species.

Whoa.

If you just think about like rusting.

So if you stayed in a hyperbaric chamber long term, it'd be bad for you.

Yeah.

I mean, it does have some good effects, but some people, like, especially with chronic fatigue syndrome and other things like that, they tend not to do well with hyperbariotic oxygen therapy.

So like hyperbolic oxygen therapy, it's like compared to like CO2 therapy, it's more of a forceful method of like pushing oxygen into your blood plasma and into your tissues.

And then, CO2 therapy, what it's doing is it's

increasing.

So, oxygen creates vasoconstriction, what I talked about before.

So, it's like closing up the vasculature.

You're getting less blood to flow to your tissues.

And CO2 actually opens that up, so you're getting more blood flow to your tissues.

And CO2 is causing the oxygen from the hemoglobin to be released into the tissues and CO2 also

it

it's a Lewis acid so it slightly

withdraws electrons from from proteins in the cells and it's so it slightly acidifies the proteins in the cell so it it actually makes cells more hungry for oxygen so it's actually like pulling oxygen into the cells wow and so it's doing it in a way that and CO2 has also been found to be a probably one of the greatest antioxidants so

it's protective against the toxicity of oxygen.

It's protective against the free radicals and the reactive oxygen species and whatnot.

Interesting.

I mean, there can be some like reactive oxygen species as a signaling molecule, so there's some benefits to it, but an overamount of them is like probably a big reason for aging and whatnot.

Sounds like there's a lot of benefits to this, man.

No, no, there really is.

Crazy.

Have you seen any adverse effects, any of your clients or anything?

Some people, like,

if they overdo it, they could get a headache, potentially.

It's definitely something you don't want to overdo.

It can create

respiratory acidosis.

So it's something you want to do, like, five or ten minutes here or there, even 20 minutes.

But

I wouldn't do it for a long period of time.

I've like we've done some research where we've taken some mice and we've exposed them to we've had them at like 10% CO2 for extended periods of time and they they tend to adapt to that, but it's it's um I mean, your body is always producing carbon dioxide, so it's not a toxin.

It's something that your body can use.

Got it.

But

you can't overdo it, and you can kind of feel the symptoms of it coming on when you're starting to overdo it.

Yeah, 10%, because you had me at 4%, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, 10%.

Oh, my gosh.

That would have been tough.

It is tough.

Yeah, yeah.

What are you at?

I can do 8% pretty easily.

Damn.

Yeah, yeah.

So you did double what I just did.

That's crazy.

I wouldn't say it's easy.

Like, when I do it, I breathe pretty rapidly, which is, which is beneficial in itself because

there was a

when you breathe deeply like that,

breathing is actually like a

learned this from Stephen Elliott.

Yeah.

So breathing is a

is a circulatory, is a cardiovascular function.

So it's basically when you're breathing in deeply, when you're breathing in, you're creating this like vacuum and it's pulling in

the venous blood and the it's creating a lymphatic action.

So you're actually, it's helping to pull the toxins away from

the cellular environment.

And then when you're exhaling, it's actually pushing the blood.

So in addition to the heartbeat, there's also this, Stephen Elliott calls it a valsava wave.

So in addition to the heartbeat, there's this valsava wave that follows the breathing pattern.

When you're shallow breathing, you're not creating this, there's no valsava wave at all.

Whoa.

And when you're breathing, so CO2 causes you to breathe deeply.

So you're getting, what he discovered is that when you're breathing deeply like that, you're like normally it takes one minute for your blood to circulate through the entire body.

And when you're breathing deeply through this

thoracic pump almost,

you're doubling the speed of the blood through the tissues.

So, you're getting more tissue perfusion and oxygenation to the cells.

And

that's one of the benefits of exercise: getting that.

You're getting more waste products removed.

And

one aspect of disease is that,

like in diabetes or cancer, there is

this pH gradient.

Normally, the pH gradient is the

cells, inside of the cell, it's more acidic, and in the outside of the cell environment, it's more alkaline.

And when you get towards like diabetes and then more so towards cancer, that

pH gradient flips.

So the inside of your cell is becoming more alkaline, and the outside of your cell is becoming more acidic.

And

I think that one of the reasons that happens, I mean, there's many reasons why that happens, but one thing that contributes to it is your blood becomes more stagnant.

You're not exercising, you're not breathing faster, so you're not getting like this good blood flow through your system.

So the breathing can actually cause this blood flow and the waste products aren't.

One of the causes of the acidity around the cell is the waste products go up, like the lactic acid and whatnot.

And when you're breathing deeply, it causes, it helps to remove the waste products from the

extracellular environment from outside of the cell.

That's good to know.

What about Sana?

When you're in there, does that remove any waste products?

It does.

Yeah, it does it in a different way, though, yeah.

Different ways from sweating, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm a fan of sauna, man.

Yeah, yeah.

I do it like five days a week.

I feel great off there.

No, I love sauna too.

Do you do the red light or do you do the regular one?

I do the red light.

I do the far infrared.

I actually have a device I developed that's going to be released soon that I've been using it, but it actually, you're surrounded by infrared panels.

Your head is out of it, but it fills up with 100% CO2.

It's like a CO2, like a CO2 bath, but you're also getting the benefits of the infrared.

And you're also getting the additional benefit that when you heat up your skin and when you create sweat, it actually causes greater absorption of CO2 transdermally.

So it's like a, you're getting all the benefits of the heat, the light and everything, and also the

CO2.

I haven't heard of anything like the sunset.

Yeah, it doesn't exist.

You might have to get a patent on that one.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, the biohacking space, you never know what's a trend and what's going to last.

You know?

Yeah.

Like CBD was a trend, like it didn't last.

Right.

Yeah.

One of the trends that has been lasting longer than I thought it would is the cold water theory.

Cold lunge.

Yeah.

I mean, because it's so like uncomfortable that.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that one.

Yeah, I'm not a fan either.

I've heard it reduces like your ability to build muscle and stuff.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Wow.

I just, yeah, it's not worth it.

The risk to reward isn't there for me on that one.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, I mean,

the benefits to me are more the mental benefits of building up the resilience to be able to handle a difficult situation.

So it might help you in

your daily life to handle other difficult situations.

I could see that.

Yeah, mentally, it definitely helps.

But yeah, these companies are charging 5 to 10K for a cold punch.

Oh, I know.

It's crazy.

It's nuts.

It's crazy.

Like, if I'm going to do it, I'll just hop in my pool or hop in the cold shower.

Yeah, exactly.

10 grand on a cold punch.

Come on, now.

Yeah.

Or I'd rather do something fun, like go in the lake or ocean and do like surfing or something.

And like

water's cold, but you're having fun, though.

For real.

Any pro athletes using this?

The stuff that you know of?

Yeah, I've got some professional football players.

I actually had, I know in Vegas a couple weeks ago, you had

the Olympia bodybuilding show.

Yeah.

And I had someone, he asked me if he could use the products.

He mostly used my suit, which is a suit you go into and use it transdermally.

And he used that.

And then I gave him the breathing machine like a couple weeks before the show or like two or three weeks before the show.

And he he won the whole thing.

He won the whole thing.

Holy crap.

So you could take partial credit for that.

I mean, I mean, he's been working on it for 17 years, but he said it did play a big role for him because he after his workouts, he would do the bath and he

said it reduced inflammation throughout his whole body.

Whoa.

He felt better the next day, so he could work out harder the next day and everything like that.

So it's that quick.

It's that quick, yeah.

I had this cancer researcher in Italy.

She had an injury in her arm and she used, she has an ultrasound machine.

Yeah.

And she did the ultrasound and her injury, and she saw all this inflammation and all that.

And she did the CO2 bath.

And right afterwards, immediately, she looked at it, and the inflammation was greatly reduced.

No way.

So it's that quick because there's a lot of stuff that takes time.

It does.

This has immediate benefits of reduction in inflammation,

getting more oxygen into your cells, but it also has long-term effects of creating

more capillary density and more mitochondria changes like depending on how you're working out it'll help you like build like change your like muscle fiber types like fast twitch versus like slow twitch based on what you're doing and stuff like that yeah because I was a distance runner so we relied on slow twitch but sprinters are fast twitch right right so this helps with both of those it does yeah wow So it could be all sorts of athletes can use this type of stuff then, not just one sport.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

And a lot of athletes, they tend to be like

very,

they have a difficult, they're like stimulated all the time, so they have trouble relaxing.

Yeah.

And the suit, it's like, it's so relaxing.

You just like, I've had people go in there, like, we're at a big convention or something, and there's like noise all around, and they're like, they're like out.

They knock out in minutes.

Yeah, yeah.

Dang.

I can't wait to use it.

Yeah, yeah.

I've got one at the house now.

But they use it.

Yeah, they use it for relaxing and stuff like that.

So it's more like a recovery thing.

Use it after you work out?

Yeah, more recovery.

And then the,

it does help, like, yeah, I'd say more recovery.

Some people do the breathing while they're working out, and it helps them, like,

do, like, more weights and stuff like that, and more reps.

Really?

Yeah.

Holy crap.

I'm excited.

How'd you stumble across this stuff?

It's not like a conventional route, I've seen it.

Right, right.

Yeah, actually, I talked about it before, Konstantin Mitoika, who developed the Butteka breathing method.

So I started reading his work, and he had such amazing effects with the CO2.

And then I started reading

about CO2 therapy and medicine.

And

it's been like around historically a while.

There was actually a book written in 1905.

It was called Carbon Dioxide in Medicine.

And it talked about the use of carbon dioxide in the early 1900s and 1800s.

And they would use CO2 for all kinds of things like for PMS, for like asthma, for heart issues and all that.

And they had one, they talked about one case of a

rheumatic patient, which is like inflammation of the the joints and connective tissue.

And he couldn't walk for,

he couldn't use any of his limbs for like two or three years, it said in the book.

And after the 15th bath,

they had him do the CO2 baths.

And after the 15th bath,

he was able to start walking again.

What?

Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

I'm not promising anything like that.

He could have done other stuff too, potentially, but.

Yeah, no, that's still nuts.

I wonder why this hasn't taken off yet.

I wonder if guys like Dave Asprey and Brian Johnson have seen this thing or Huberman.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's kind of interesting because it's, to me, it's one of the great, greatest.

I know like Dave Asprey, Brian Johnson, they're into longevity.

Yeah.

And to me, CO2 is probably the most powerful therapy that there is for longevity.

If you look at like the naked mole rats, for example,

they live like 35 years compared to like a

regular mouse lives like one and a half to two years.

So they're living like 16, 17 times longer than the regular mouse.

And one unique thing about their environment is they have very high CO2 levels, like from 5 to like 13% CO2.

Why is it so high in their environment?

Because they live underground and they breathe off.

CO2 is a metabolic byproduct, and

it just builds up in those environments.

Interesting.

So animals that live underground, I'd love to see a study on animals that live underground compared to animals above ground.

Yeah, I haven't really looked into all animals that live underground, but I know these, for some reason, their environment is particularly high in CO2.

I'm not sure if that's the case for all

animals.

Maybe where they, in the burrows that they live in, maybe the CO2 doesn't diffuse through into the ground as much as other environments, I guess.

But one unique thing about them is they basically don't age.

They don't get cancer.

The chance of them dying at 30 years old is the same as them dying at two years old.

Really?

At five years old, because

for most animals and humans, The older we get, the greater chance we have of dying from disease and whatnot.

So they don't have that?

They don't have that.

Holy crap.

They don't basically don't age.

This needs to be talked about on Joe Rogan.

Yeah, you know, naked mole rats.

I did not know they lived that long.

Yeah.

Are those the ones without eyes?

Honestly, I'm not sure.

Yeah, I think I'd know you're it's like

pink skin and stuff.

Yeah, they're like pink.

They're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty ugly.

Yeah, yeah, they're super ugly.

My fiancé is a huge fear of them.

Oh, she does.

Massive.

Really?

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Well, rats in general, people aren't like fans of.

Yeah, they don't tend to live around this area, I don't think.

like more in Africa, but.

Oh, they're in Africa.

Yeah, yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, scientists need to study those instead of regular rats.

Yeah, yeah.

I need to get those in the lab.

Yeah, there's other animals too, like certain bats that live in caves, which have high CO2 levels.

It's the same thing.

They live a really long time.

Holy crap.

So there's a direct correlation between...

There is.

They also have...

less oxygen in there too, so there's that aspect as well.

So you're not getting as much of the oxidative damage from having too much oxygen.

So it's a combination of the CO2.

So CO2 has the benefits of its own, and I think there's probably something to the lower levels of oxygen as well.

Yeah.

Potentially, and the adaptions that happen to them because of that.

Crazy.

What if someone broke a bone?

Would this help them recover quicker?

Oh, yeah, it's huge.

It's actually, there's quite a lot of studies showing that happens in fracture repair and bone healing.

And CO2 is actually, when you have more CO2 than you need, it's actually stored in the bone.

It helps build bone strength and whatnot.

Wow.

There's actually

a group of people called

something, Petrosa, I forget what they're called, but it's like, it's called marble bone disease.

And it's people that retain very high levels of carbon dioxide.

And

their bones

become super hard.

It's called marble bone disease because their bones become super hard like marble, basically.

So CO2 levels will help increase your bone density.

So someone has like...

getting older and they're afraid of like osteoporosis or something.

I think that CO2 could be very beneficial for that.

Oh, for sure.

Even myself, I don't know if if it's, I've never done a, have you done a DEXA scan before?

I've done a DEXA scan.

Yeah.

I've done a lot of them recently because I was trying to lose some weight and I was making sure that I wasn't like losing muscle mass when I was losing the weight.

And my bone density is like off the charts.

Really?

It's like the,

I can't think of the name of the score right now, but it's like

zero is normal and mine was like two is like in the 99th percentile or something.

Wow.

I don't know if it was like that before doing CO2 therapy, if it's from the CO2 therapy.

I can't say that, but.

Yeah, that would have been interesting to see if it helped raise it, right?

Yeah, yeah.

But some people have really fragile bones.

Like, I know people that have broken their bones like 10 times.

So something like this might help them, right?

Yeah, no, it definitely help them because it help builds bone strength, and it also helps create more blood flow to the bones, more

microvasculature to the bones, like everything.

So it'd be very beneficial for you.

You got to hit up some NFL teams.

Yeah, yeah.

Those guys need this.

Yeah, I've got one guy right now.

He just bought it a couple weeks ago.

He's on the Seattle Seahawks telegram.

And he's using it, and he loves it yeah because I feel like recovery also prevention in a way if it's helping the bones get stronger oh yeah yeah you're less likely to get a fracture in the first place yeah that's massive and these guys are making a lot of money so if they get a bad injury they're out for the whole season this could help them a lot oh yeah it's huge yeah I mean

I'm a from Milwaukee Milwaukee Bucks fan like some of our favorite players are always getting injured every year so yeah even the NBA it could be huge too yeah oh yeah for sure Bucks got a good team they do they uh this day this year they're not they're kind of slow start this year slow start what happened you think um

they have the same roster so it doesn't make sense to me yeah i don't know what's happening it's it's a good question it's hopefully they'll pull it around but yeah i'm wondering if all your teams got better or if because they have the same team right pretty much the same team yeah it's not the same team that they won the championship with but it's i mean it's a lot of the similar same players but it's

they lost uh pat conaton right

yeah they lost pat coniton and um i'm a notre dame fan so he was one of my favorite players yeah yeah

But yeah, injury is a plague like Middleton.

Every year he's getting injured.

He's out of the way.

Middleton.

I'll try to hit him up for you to get him one of these.

He should, yeah.

He's getting older now, though.

He is, yeah, yeah.

Late 30s, I feel like that's tough to compete with these 20-year-olds.

I think this could help extend the life of an athlete, too, so they could play into later years.

Absolutely.

You said you were trying to lose fat loss.

Was this helping out with that too?

It does actually help speed up your metabolic rate, so it definitely helps speed up fat loss.

There's another method called carboxytherapy where they inject CO2 into your skin, and it helps with wrinkles and stuff like that and

stretch lines.

Stretch marks.

Stretch marks.

And they did a study for fat loss too.

They injected it into people's stomachs and their thighs, and they lost like four centimeters compared to the control group just from the CO2 injections.

Just from CO2.

Yeah, yeah, because it increases the metabolic radiation, increasing blood flow and increasing the vasculature of the area and everything like that because

the fat tissue is very hypoxic.

It gets very little blood flow, less blood flow than other areas.

Damn, this is like nature's miracle.

It is.

I mean, I like that it's natural.

Like, I'd rather take this than a pill.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, it's natural.

It's something your body produces.

To me, it's the closest thing there is to exercise in a bottle, essentially, because it doesn't have all the benefits of exercise, but it has very, it some of the benefits of exercise.

And

you can do it multiple times per day where exercise, so it's helping getting rid of waste products and whatnot and

helping the blood flow through the system.

And you're doing that without building up additional waste products.

With exercise, you're getting the same thing, but you're also building up additional waste products.

You're building up more lactic acid, more of the other waste products from exercising.

But this is creating that removal of

waste from the cellular environment without building up additional waste products.

And you can do it like, like I said, I do it like for me, I do it two to four times per day.

You could do it once per day and get benefit.

I'm not saying you should

replace it with exercise.

People,

exercise by itself is like super healthy and important and has other benefits outside of this, but this does have some of the benefits of exercise.

That's cool.

I love exercise for stress release.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

So I play in a couple of basketball leagues and I just feel amazing after, especially hitting the sun after the games.

Yeah, it just, I don't know if this would help with stress, but exercise with stress has been great for me.

Yeah, yeah.

I have someone using it that he said it basically eliminated his

anxiety.

Oh my gosh.

How many things does this stuff do?

Well, it's going to, any, I mean, it's going to help any other therapy you're going to do, it's going to help it work better.

It's so it's like an amplifier.

It's like an amplifier, yeah.

Okay.

I mean, it has its own benefits in and of itself, but it's also an amplifier of other things too.

And actually, like in like cancer therapy, they would, it actually, sometimes people use it with like chemotherapy or radiation therapy

improves the benefits, it improves the effectiveness of those therapies quite a lot.

Because chemo is really intense.

It is, it's, yeah, it's super intense.

Like it's super taxing on the body.

Right.

So potentially using this with chemo or radiation, I'm not prescribing this for anyone.

Yeah.

Doctor the doctor, but potentially

because it increases the effectiveness, potentially you could use less chemotherapy.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, because some people are on it for months, right?

And that's super damaging to the body.

Very damaging to the body.

I mean,

if I had cancer, I don't know if I'd try to do natural for this first, but.

No, I would try to do natural.

Chemo would be like a last resort for me.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Because it's killing all your good cells, too, right?

Yeah, exactly.

It's killing your good cells, your cancer cells, and everything.

Yeah.

Well, dude, where can people find this product and keep in touch with you?

Yeah, if they go to carbogenetics.com.

Or I'm also on Instagram, Carbogenetics.

Search for that.

Perfect.

Yeah, if you want, I could put a discount code out there, too.

Yeah, we'll put a link in the description.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, in the YouTube video and on Spotify.

Check out the link, guys.

Anything else you want to close off with?

No, I just say

I would encourage people to study this therapy more and maybe go to my websites, check out some of the articles, do some research because I think it's

be a very powerful therapy and maybe talk with your doctor or whatever and maybe incorporate it into what you're doing.

Yeah, it'd be cool if they can try it out somewhere wherever they live first before they commit to spending money.

Hopefully, there's spots that do that.

Yeah, yeah, someday we'll hope maybe we'll have like centers in different areas like how they have like oxygen therapy places and stuff like that.

Yeah, those are popping up for sure.

I'll try to get you in the wellness center here.

Yeah,

perfect.

I'll line up.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Yeah, no, I appreciate it.

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