NEVER Do This: Top Sports Bettor Exposes Industry Lies | Tyson Nguyen DSH #1023

Tattoos is like they're basically a statement of like, I really don't give a fuck what you say.

You're the only Asian dropout I know from high school.

Really?

Yeah, because you don't have the strength.

Once uh junior year hit, I had built a business before that.

I sat down with my mom before I even started talking, bro.

Just to grab her, like, hey, I'm okay with talk.

Crying everywhere, bro.

Like, I swear, the anxiety and stress you get just from telling your parents that you don't want to go to college is unreal.

She's always been so supportive of me, but for some reason, with culture and college, it's so different.

We're live, digital social hour here with Tyson, one of the hottest sports betters right now.

Thanks for coming on.

First podcast as well.

Yeah, it is.

Super excited though, but got a little butterflies and stuff.

So, but we're chilling.

We're chilling.

You're chilling, bro.

And you're 19 in the sports betting space.

Yeah, I'm 19, which people kind of get confused because they're like, how can you sports bet when you're 19?

But prize picks, chalkboard, and stuff is like 18.

At least when I first started, you could be 18.

Now it's 19.

I feel like they lowered it because I thought it was 21, but maybe it's always been that.

Yeah, it actually has.

It's 21 for like traditional books like DraftKings Vandal, but prize picks, I guess they want to hit everyone.

So they're 18 and up now or 19 and up now.

So, yeah, so pretty much the second you're a legal adult, you could become a degenerate.

Yeah, and you've been able to figure it out fast.

Because I feel like most people don't get good at sports betting until they're way older.

Yeah, that's honestly mainly because I've been sports betting since I was a little kid.

Like, there's pictures of me, like, five years old, playing poker with my family.

Like, with like my Christmas money, birthday money, 20 bucks, 40 bucks, whatever it is, I'm gambling.

Like, that's just always been, it's like an addiction, right?

So I've always been used to it, I've been exposed to gambling a lot.

So I know like the exact mentality of it.

Like anytime I go on social media or go on live or whatever, I'm like, I know what you're thinking right now.

You're going to do this, you're going to do this.

And they're like, how the fuck?

I'm like, dude, because every gambler generally thinks the same.

But that's why I also am like, the books know this shit.

They know what you want.

Now, why do you think their ads and stuff hit hella hard?

And the second you're on that platform, you lose it all.

So that's why I always try to get people to like, you know, lock in and then like just be a lot better.

And then they end up, they like no matter what if you have good strategies you will win more you might not win just in general because gambling is harder but you will win more that's like almost a guarantee yeah that's interesting so you grew up around gambling though you said you were playing poker at five yes bro like so there's this thing called chinese new year's so like we'll gamble and it's like a whole week at least in my family it's a whole week of gambling like poker a bunch of different games and stuff like that and you're just I was exposed to gambling at like, actually when I was like four or five years old, but like when I gained consciousness at five or six years old, I was like gambling.

And it was like the second Chinese New Year's ended, all I'm talking about was like, okay, when's the next Chinese New Year's?

Because it's, you know, the moon calendar, the lunar calendar.

So it's like, when is it going to be?

Because on Chinese New Year's, you get like 10, 20 bucks from your family as a gift.

You throw that all back in gambling.

So I learned poker, like Chinese poker really early on.

Like I was competing with like my adults, like my uncles, like my mom, my dad, whatever, on the same level as them with poker.

So growing up around sports betting, I was always used to that like mentality of any type of bet.

Wow.

So they taught you at a young age.

Yeah, it's pretty bad by the situation.

Like I'm thankful for it.

It's pretty bad.

Like that my parents are, that's just the culture with Asian culture.

A lot of a lot of other cultures have it too.

But I think I just took off with it because

a lot of people could probably resonate with this.

Like they always have at least one or two family members with gambling addictions.

Right.

Like, oh, my uncle or aunt lost all their money to gambling.

So like, I had those people too.

So I always knew what to look for and what not to do.

Like the biggest skill you can have is learn from others people's mistakes.

Like you don't have to necessarily make the mistakes yourself, you know?

So that's pretty much how it all started.

Like as a young and so that being said, did you ever lose anything, lose everything?

Oh, growing up, oh, hell yeah, hella times.

Like some, this one New Year's, I was down like 200 bucks.

And as a five-year-old, or I was probably like seven or eight.

As a five-year-old, 200 bucks is like, I felt like I lost a lottery.

Like, I felt like I won the lottery.

That's a lot of joke.

Like, $200 was a lot at that time, but I lost it all.

And my uncle, he tried to teach me a lesson.

So he he won my money, right?

Because I was like full degenerate.

I was like, oh, I lost 20 bucks.

Give me about 50 bucks.

And I kept doubling it.

Because you know that means I oh, I keep doubling, eventually I'll win.

I don't believe in that shit.

Martin Gale.

Yeah, I don't believe in that shit.

Like, because my uncle was like, okay, I'll just keep doing this, keep doing this.

And he ended up winning 200 bucks, right?

It was like four bets in a row.

I was stupid.

And he ended up winning all my cousins money and gave all my cousin's money back.

Wow.

That's some data white shit.

And he didn't give mine back.

And I was just sitting in the corner like, fuck.

Like, well, my, my life sucks.

I just ruined all this stuff.

But I wasn't mad at him.

I was mad at the fact that I did stupid shit and just like kept throwing it on the board.

Like, why, why are you like so emotional, right?

So that's kind of like, but it's not like, oh, you get a flip.

The next year I was doing the same thing.

So it's like, it takes so many years to actually get to that point to when I hit 18 and then now I can actually be on these books and now it's different.

You know, so that's essentially how it all started too.

Yeah.

And do you feel like with sports betting, you have the most control?

Sports betting at times, yes.

But with sports betting, whenever someone asks me that, it's like, oh, are there factors where you can control?

To a certain extent, you can't control anything because you can't control the lines.

You can't control when they drop.

What you can't control is what's going on up here, right?

So like most sports bettors, it's like if you do the math, So like plus EV, for instance, like statistically, you have an edge over the books if you find those certain props.

But the thing is, is like that is assuming that you as a person can run one unit every bet for hundreds and hundreds of bet.

Realistically, no human out there can emotionally control what they're betting.

So what you can control is your emotion, how many bets you place, what type of games you bet on, the sports you bet on.

All that stuff, if you can control, then you have way more of an advantage compared to you last week.

And then you have to just take what the books give you, right?

Because we can't.

do anything about that.

You can run more promos.

Like some books will have no limit promos.

Like Chalkboard, one of my books books that I run it's like they'll give you a discounted prop and they won't put a limit on it most books will put like a ten dollar limit because why would they give you an edge but chalkboard no limit throw two grand on that cash out for five grand and it's like you have the highest odds of hitting so you have to be really selective about things and like the things that you can control is not gambling every day like you don't need to be gambling every single day a lot of people they're just full degenerate mode right which is fine we all like to have fun but at the same time if you're going full degenerate mode and at the end of the day you lose don't tweak out because you're gonna do the same thing full degenerate mode right so you have to try to try and get out of that cycle in that loop so when the things that i try and control is just my mental state so like if i lose i truly kind of act like it's paper trading because if you act like you're sitting there like oh i just lost rent money i just lost this i'll bet two five ten grand a bet each each each slip yeah and that's just that's just how it is because i think of it more as like units and slips so if i'm down six grand right, and my units are two grand, I'm down three units.

Three units, you could win that back by winning one slip, like one and a half slips, whatever.

But like, it's not that serious, how I like to think of it.

The people who lose the most are the ones that take it so serious.

Like it's okay to take it serious because, you know, it's money.

Like we, we work hard for that money, but at the same time, you worked hard for that money.

Why are you being stupid with it, right?

Think of the logic.

So it's like, if you're going to like, it's like, it's not the lottery where you're just putting in random numbers.

It's like you can make calculated decisions.

You may have a slightly less edge, but you still are in control of that.

Absolutely.

So when did the Discord start?

Because you have the biggest Discord in the sports betting space, right?

Yeah.

So we have 120,000 members.

We're gaining like 10,000, 20,000 members a week right now.

Crazy.

We kind of plateaued during MOB because MOB is MOB.

But yeah, NFL, NBA, we're on a hot streak.

But the Discord started really when I turned 18.

So I was sports betting for years, right?

I don't know if I'm going to say this, but I always use my family's books and stuff, like get on, you know, user IDs and that stuff.

But like, I would always be on those books.

I was always gambling.

But once I turned 18, now I can publicly say, I'm gambling, right?

So I created the Discord because I, when I first started, like, actually was like, all right, I'm low-key addicted to sports betting.

It's kind of hard to stop.

How do I become good at it?

I took a bunch of money that I had from like prior businesses and just working because I used to be a waiter too at a restaurant.

I had 10 grand.

Well, actually, I had like 20 grand, but I took 10 grand, put that in my PricePicks account.

I blew it all.

I lost lost it all.

Like everything gone, right?

Damn, how long?

Like in a week.

Damn.

But that's how, that's how like degenerate, degeneracy works.

Like when you lose once, you go full throttle and you go full throttle.

It's like when you're in that position, that's what I always tell people, like, I know, I know, because shit, that was me.

So when I first started Security Picks, right, that's the name of my Discord.

It was really to like help people because I had joined a bunch of other communities as I was coming up, like as I was trying to get better.

But back then, it was over two years ago, so there wasn't that many communities.

And if there were, they were pretty ass.

Like the people at the top were either of two things.

They were profitable, but their group was just terrible.

And they weren't profitable, which is the majority.

Most people don't actually profit.

And their group is just terrible for like a lot of the times they don't tell you why they like a bet.

They don't tell you how much to place a bet.

They don't even place a bet with you.

They'll crop out how much they put on a slip.

It's like, if you want me to put $1,000 on the slip, you want to show me how much you put.

So I started my community because I saw from a business side of things, I saw that I could turn this into a business business to help people, obviously, because the more value I provide, the more money I make.

And as on an actual helping side, so when I started secured pics, the reason why we blew up is because I was just going on TikTok and Instagram every day saying, guys, PrizePicks wants you to do this.

These books want you to do this.

Do this.

And everyone's like, holy shit, that helped.

That helped.

Doing this helped, doing this helped.

And then like people I meet in real life, right, all the time, I get recognized.

They immediately go, dude, you helped me out so much.

Even if we're red that week, like, because, you know, Cold Streaks, very normal.

I'll get nervous.

I'll be like, damn, I hope people don't get like upset at me for like losing.

But they always say, dude, your strategies help me.

No matter what, even if you, you know, you get unlucky that week, your strategies help me.

So when I first started Secure Picks, we just, we, we blew up to the moon.

Like the first day I launched, like, I swear, the first day, like, made the Discord live, we gained 8,000 members.

Wow.

Because my TikTok video went viral of a free play.

I dropped a free NBA play.

And then I dropped another one the next day.

And they both hit easily, which is also comes into luck too.

Like, I also low-key got blessed on that, right?

So 8,000 people joined, they tailed it all and they were like, dude, cash, right?

And then throughout the months, I was just putting in more strategies, refining my own strategies as well, building a team.

And as I'm making more money from sports betting and the Discord itself, I'm reinvesting that in the same way any business would.

Like you're going to make money, reinvest it.

So I hired strategists, like the best strategists, the best like,

just people to really help guide me.

Yeah.

Helped my sports betting.

And then now I can bring that to everyone else.

Like I'm spending tens and tens of thousands of dollars on advisors.

These guys get it for $15.

Like that's how much my group is too.

So like people always ask me like, oh, you, you sell picks just for money.

It's like,

it's $15.

Like $15 for years of strategies, the best picks of the day.

We're working non-stop.

I have a team of 12 staff.

My staff is 12 people.

They're all on payroll.

Like, it's $15, bro.

You know what I mean?

Like, so we're doing this for the community.

Yes.

By the same time, we're still a business.

And so like, my personal sports betting journey has been crazy.

Discord's been crazy.

like it's like I want to get to the point where everyone is just in this community just getting way better, you know like we're at to the we're at the point where We'll come up with strategies like oh we'll run correlation bets so we used to run a lot of correlation play

So a correlation bet is like so it's where you're betting on a team to like hand in hand help each other like so you're betting on the quarterback and then you're betting on the wide receiver because if the quarterback does good the wide receiver will most likely do good or let's say like that there's just a correlation in the bets right so we used to run a lot of that and we were printing right now the books they flagged it so now we can't run correlation bets that much if you do it too much they flag your account oh wow yeah so they'll ban you exactly they'll ban you those type of things so me personally i have to figure out ways to help my community in general while still like making sure that it's possible right so like plus ev correlation plays all these things where it's like fancy terms but basically it's like imagine if you're playing blackjack the dealer always has the edge so in a sense the player gets an edge over the books by doing all these fancy little terms right yeah so because these books have probably crazy algorithms to make the lines exactly so it's like their their algorithms and their like staff and team i don't know how they do it but when they make these lines they're so exact they're like down to the yard like 27.5 yards why not 28 yards like like you know what i mean so but the thing is like those players will always land right there like so their goal these books prize space draftings whatever their goal is to make these lines as close as possible to like a 50-50 bet, except edge in their favor.

So that's really where you have to play off of, right?

So if you're getting a 50-50 bet, right, logically, you're going to say, run one.

You don't have to run

six mans, eight mans, or like 10 leg parlays, right?

Sure, the payout looks hella good, but your odds are absolutely terrible.

That's like playing, that's like playing blackjack and you just get one card and the dealer gets two.

Like, that's how I view sports betting.

It's like anything that they give you that seems super juicy, super good, run the fuck.

So you're not a fan of parlays?

No, I'm not.

I am in a sense of like, I have to, because Price picks, you have to do two.

So I have to do two mans.

But so when I first started, a bunch of people were running six mans because that's how you go viral.

You hit a six man and now everyone joins your community because they think you're Jesus.

But I was the only person on the internet saying, stop running these six mans, bro.

Stop.

Because I was like, I didn't think it was going to get me viral or nothing, but I was like, stop running six mans.

what are they posting on the ads 25 extra money 25 extra money i was like three extra money is already a lot like if you put a hundred bucks in the stock market or even 100k in the stock market and you get 300k back bro you're going to dinner you're celebrating at novu right so it's the same way with sports betting it's like just because the market is saying oh i took a hundred dollars to 600k doesn't mean your hundred dollars to 300 isn't good so like it adds up over time you're winning more rather than hitting once and like a lot but you're not going to hit it.

Like generally, I look people in their face and I go, dude, you're not hitting that 10 leg.

But you're not hitting that 10 leg.

You're not hitting that 12 leg.

Hit the 12 leg and be happy with your money, but it's like you're one of a million, probably.

So that's just how odds work.

It's just calculations.

I love how realistic you are because a lot of people in your space are, oh my God,

I get it because there's two types of sports bettors.

There's businessmen and then there's actual sports bettors who aren't that good at business, but they hit a lot so they get business, right?

I'm a mix of both, but I like to keep it real.

i'm like dude it's sports betting bro quit being quitting stupid i could go here hit a six man parlay this week i could probably do it i could probably just add up like i would have hit a six man yesterday if i took all my bets and put it up and be like i'm the best sports bet in the world i took a thousand to 25k but it's like then they're gonna join and they're gonna be like what the i'm you posted 26 mans you're not hitting so like realistically i want to actually make my people money because from a sports better side of things like you have to hit to get these people to stay from a business side of things it's like, imagine you're signing up to something that you think is a good service and you pay 15 bucks, 20 bucks, whatever.

And it's not a good service, you're going to leave.

So business side of things, I want these guys to stay.

I get like a 10 or 15% churn.

That's like outrageously low for sports betting.

For sports betting goes

30% to 40% churn a month.

I get around 10 to 15%.

That's the lowest I've heard in your space.

Yeah, it's super low.

And you can fact check all this stuff with my company and stuff too.

But even this week, though, churn is like less than 10%.

Wow.

Because it's like, even if we lose,

so the way I operate my business is it's not just picks.

It is guidance.

Like I'm acting as their advisor.

And even my team, I trained all my team one-on-one.

Like, okay, we're red for the last two days.

Third day, either don't bet or just go super light.

Cut your units into half or by a third and just understand what is happening with your luck.

Luck is real.

Okay.

Luck is very, very real.

People run into luck, but at the same time, you can control your luck.

If you're not betting all your money on that day, you don't have to get lucky.

You just just maintain you know just maintain cool it out wait till the games go on like the first one to three weeks at NFL were just underdogs winning everywhere So what did I tell my team?

Hey guys, let's take it slow.

Let's bet more on WNBA.

Let's bet more on college football.

Let's bet more on MLB even though it's the beginning NFL.

It's super hype.

And guess what?

We've been winning.

We've been winning.

And now week four just started and we've been sweeping the board because we waited until the games are consistent.

Now the games are super good.

The games are super good and now props are all hitting.

By the time this podcast comes out though it's going to be different because like but right now week four just began the games are very consistent so it's like most people are hitting with their props because most props are hitting yeah so it's like just control your luck right so obviously you can't time it all the time but it's like in blackjack right they say when you're when you're hot leave right and when you're cold just calm the fuck down because if you're cold why are you gonna keep doubling your bet makes no sense So that's, that's like, that's the way I like to approach things.

I'm always guiding people.

Yeah.

Like, guys, one unit bet on this, two unit bet on this.

If we're going, if it's a good game and we're not running too many slips, go two or three units on this.

So it's like an advisory as well.

Like, because genuinely, like, genuinely for real, not a lot of sports haters can say this, but I actually care about my guys.

Like, like, not to hate on anyone else.

They're all killing it.

But it's like, so the first week of NFL, like I said, was red, right?

Yeah.

I gave away three grand.

I'll just split it up among as many people as I can give money to because they're all hating on me, right?

And I was like, guys, I'm putting the same amount of bets as you.

I care.

like i actually care about you guys winning that's why i made the entry fee so cheap yeah i made it 15 bucks who doesn't have 15

years exactly they're mostly at 500 bucks a month 500 bucks a year my year passed 200 bucks for a whole year wow you know so you can make that off one bet exactly and exactly so like all my members yesterday and it's like it's it just gets so crazy because The way we operate the business is like we prioritize our members first and then the members will pour in.

Like one person refers two or three person people and now i'm just blown up right so it's like from a business side of points it's smart for me to do that and from an actual human side of points i grew up with families with uh gambling addictions i never promote gambling but if they already gamble i'll be like that cool uncle who who gives you weed like if you're gonna smoke weed anyways i'll give you the best weed out there right so that's how i like to operate things that's the way i've always operated things because like um yeah i talk to all my members one-on-one anyone watching this can literally dm me on instagram and whenever i have time i just answer all their dms and like any advice, you can talk to me for like 10 days.

Like, and I'm giving you advice.

That's just how I operate.

Even if you don't pay me, you know, that's just how I operate the business.

That's where I like to.

Good car.

Exactly.

So it's like in the industry where it's a bunch of scummy people and a bunch of, you know, not ethical people, I try to be as ethical as possible.

Cause my passion isn't in robbing people for 15 bucks a week.

My passion is in actually helping people win.

Yeah.

And like when people win, I just make more money, just in general.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your industry has a bad rep.

Terrible rep.

It's terrible.

Like I tell people, oh, I'm a sports player and they like, give me a little side eye.

I'm like, bro, but it's a little bit different.

They automatically don't trust you.

Yeah, exactly.

Like even people that are thinking about joining your program, they've probably been scammed like four times on a hundred thousand times, man.

Like there was this one comment yesterday.

He was like, I joined 10 different Discords.

It's my second day here.

I'm never leaving.

Wow.

And it's just because the way we operate shit, it's like.

The amount of care we show per person is real.

And our support team is all there.

Like you ask a question in chat within five, 10 minutes, it gets answered.

Damn.

Yeah, swear to God.

Like I have people on staff 24-7 because I actually want these guys because sports betting, I was there.

Like anyone who says, oh, this guy's just a guru selling, like, dude, I was, we're all normal people.

Like, I was literally there.

I lost 10 grand.

I had no help.

I had none of these advisors.

I had none of this stiffs.

So like when people actually come into the group, oh, I'm a beginner.

How do I do this?

You click.

What is it called?

Like bankroll management guide.

Guide A through Z pages long on what you should do and what you shouldn't do.

like that's and I spent hours on that bunch of advisors all we're all talking about collaborating my team spent a whole hour on this guide that's cool dude yeah yeah I've seen a lot of people come and go in your space yeah man they rotate pretty often yeah so like the top guys are never at the top for that long unless you're just like spending hundreds of thousands on ads and you're just like maintaining it but I'm probably the only guy who got up here organically like um

so we're the biggest prospects community in the world we're getting close to biggest sports betting community in the world because there's still draft kings and fancy um like other fantasy sports, but we're getting there.

We're getting there and we will get there because it's just like something I'm just crazy about.

Like that that goes into like a software I'm building too because I'm building a software to help beginners like is it AI related?

Yeah, technically because like all algorithm stuff, but it's mainly just data and being able to sort the data.

So like imagine this, right?

Not trying to get too much my sauce out there, but imagine this like

so you you're a beginner, right?

Let's say you want to start sports betting, right?

You go to this software that is free.

I'm making it free for people.

and you just look at all the props of the day every single prop you click one button one button and it sorts it out highest chance of winning it calculates the odds calculates last 10 calculates last five head-to-head matchup calculates literally everything that your human brain cannot do all at once and it sorts it from best to worst wow the best odds of everything you pick one or two put in a two man call it a day And then like, that's essentially what I'm trying to build because me and my team, our schedules are insane.

Like we'll work till like last night we were working till 1 a.m.

cooking up place because the way PriceFix and stuff drops the props is very strategic in a sense.

They want you to lose, right?

So they drop the shitty props first and then they'll slowly twinkle in the good props later.

So you have to stay up till like 1 a.m.

and then you have to wake up at like 7 a.m.

That's smart.

Right.

It's so smart.

Like the way that average people don't know this about books, but everyone in my community knows because everything that I learned from being at the top in the industry, I tell them, bro.

Data providers, the people making the lines isn't the actual books.

Price fix, chalkboard, sleeper.

It's not them.

Like they don't have employees going, oh, let's make Steph Curry at 29.

It is a data provider.

And the way you control the data provider is completely different than the book.

So people are like, oh, PriceFix lines suck.

It's not PriceFix.

It's just their lines.

Actually, PriceFix has their own in-house data provider.

So they control their lines.

Interesting.

Yeah.

So like shit like that is like industry secrets that no one would know that helps you have an advantage, right?

So I tell all my members this.

I'm like, the reason why PriceFix line right now is higher is because they know this shit's a good prop.

They're making it higher.

And then the other books, they have the actual lines where it's actually at.

But PriceFix is 0.5 or one higher.

You know what I mean?

Nuts.

Yeah, and it's all that type of like secrecy type of stuff where it's just keeping you down there.

Like average bettors, you can't win.

Statistics show 99% lose.

I would say 99.8% lose like that high.

Like you cannot win.

The only way you win in sports betting, right?

Besides like actually having a good strategy, like the average gambler, the only way you win is if you and me go on price picks for a week throw whatever cash out that's the only way you win it's kind of like blackjack right the only way you win is when you leave the damn table so with price picks and player props player props is significantly harder to hit than like any other prop and on top of that you have to pair them up you have to put two if you were able to just do one uh one prop on price picks it would be a lot easier like drastically easier that's why that's why um like draft kings and fan duel and stuff payouts are low so it's not like um with price picks it's like two props is a 3x.

But sometimes on

DraftKings Vandal, it's like a 1.6x for one prop.

But that's just like the odds and the payout because everything correlates, right?

But I'd rather bet on that 1.6 payout every single time compared to the 3x.

I just do the 3x because that's what my community wants and that's what they need, right?

I do straight bets too.

I do a lot of straight bets.

That's where a lot of my wins come from.

That's the best odds, right?

Yeah, amazing odds.

Like money lines, I really like.

Spreads, I really like.

We're like five out of seven on our last straight bets.

Wow.

Yeah, which is is pretty good because, like, if you bet a thousand bucks, you're winning, you're winning like five, six grand.

Yeah, that's solid.

Yeah, it's pretty solid.

So, like, people always ask me, like, oh, it's not realistic because I don't even have a high bank roll.

It's like, dude, tacos on prize picks.

So, it's basically they just give you a discounted prop and then you pair it up and then you can hit a 3x.

So, max $25, right?

Oh, I don't have that much bankroll, bro.

My members took, what is it, like 50 bucks to 150.

And then imagine doing that on three different accounts every week, right?

So it's like very, very realistic to make thousands and thousands of dollars.

Plus you get, um, you get the edge because you're betting on promos.

You're not just betting on regular lines.

You're betting on the shit that the books give you, but they're using this to entice you.

So it's like, oh, sign up to PriceFix.

You get this promo.

You get this

taco.

But even if they lose money on those tacos, right?

Because tacos are hitting a lot right now because you get value.

You're way better odds betting on that taco.

Right.

So even if they lose a shit ton of money on that taco, they know the next day you're betting on those player props.

So sometimes I'll tell guys, hey, if you guys have a low bankroll, I'm talking about $100, $200, $300.

That doesn't mean you don't make money.

That means just bet on only promos.

And there's some platforms, Chalkboard, Sleeper, Underdog, they drop 0.5 free squares, which means Steph Curry over 0.5 points, which is a free square.

You pair it up with a good prop, you get three extra money, right?

So $10 to $30.

Imagine 10 promos and you can do like five, you can do like five promos a day.

That's pretty realistic because these books drop them like they drop them like it's hot bro like drop all these damn promos and um yeah that's you just farm the promos and then what's even better it's like let's say my girlfriend's sitting right there right i get her account right my account too we both lock in these promos now that's twenty dollars max instead of just 10 and now you're hitting and you're hitting and you're hitting now you're making thousands of dollars off of promos like promo bets where you have the edge where it's not much risk at all some platforms even do protected plays where they protect like up to 25 So if you bet $25, even if you lose, you get it back.

Wow.

So like shit like that.

But it's like people use that as an intro to sports betting and then they just forget about it because they're like, oh, it's 10 bucks.

I'm like, no, that is 10 bucks on three different accounts, 30 bucks.

That's 90 bucks each.

Imagine 10 times, 900 bucks, right?

$600 profit.

And imagine that every other day.

$600 profit every other day.

And I know it's like, we're assuming that we're hitting all of it.

But generally, if you have good picks, like, you're going to hit them.

Like, you're going to hit them because

everything is odds based.

In the same way how

the books have a slightly better odd and they keep winning.

If you have a slightly better odds, you will keep winning in the long run.

So, that's the same way how it works.

I love the

DraftKings has a crazy promo right now.

Yeah.

Deposit five bucks, get 250.

Yeah.

That's nuts.

But you have to think.

They're giving you $250 when you bet $5.

How much are they making on each person, right?

And I'm at the top of the game.

I can't say the numbers, but I know how much they're making per person.

It's a fucking lot.

I mean, their lifetime values, got it.

Their lifetime value is insane

because they know no matter who you are, you're going to lose.

You're going to see that prop, prop, prop, prop, and now your $10 can turn into $10,000.

People eat it up.

It's like, they eat it up.

And it's just so sad because you'll see it all over Twitter and stuff too.

Like, oh, someone won, like the other day, someone won 100K.

I don't know if you've seen it, but they won 100K off of a anytime touchdown play.

Let's like a three-leg parlay or whatever.

But it's like, how often do we see those?

Like, sure, it's spread it like wildfire now, right?

But it's like, he's one in millions and millions and millions and millions of people.

That's like, that's like, if I went and bought the Super Lotto every day, and if I didn't get it, I would be mad as fuck.

It's like, dude, you buy it just knowing that you're probably not going to hit it.

And

you might hit it.

Some people actually genuinely rely on these parlays to like make a living.

And I'm like, I'm like.

I don't know who you've been listening to, but that's not realistic out there.

That's some DJN shit.

That's some DJ shit right there.

I'm like, my thing is safe bets, reliable, and consistent.

And it all matters up here.

Because if you're betting safe bets, but then you do some dumb shit the next day and you lose it all.

It takes one day to lose it all.

It takes one day.

Dude, you retired your parents at 18.

Oh, yeah, I did.

That's crazy.

What did that feel like?

It was honestly crazy because the reason why, like, even as I'm talking, right, I'm so passionate about like helping people, making money, whatever, it's always come and stemmed from my parents.

So like, I always wanted to retire my parents.

Like, that's always been the, like, even thinking about it now, it's crazy because it just happened, like, last year.

so like my mom the first thing i did when i started making money was like i remember i made 15k in a day from sports betting and i i have the screenshot too it's hella funny i just randomly zelled her 7 500 so i sent her half and she goes son did you just send me seven and a half grand i go yeah lol what's wrong like just like plain casual because i've been waiting for moments like this right and she was so excited so happy because my mom was my girl was poor as shit growing up like most parents gambler no no no she doesn't agree with the gambling at all until I actually started making money.

My dad's a fucking degenerate, though.

But I love my dad.

But yeah, he's a degenerate.

He's kind of what taught me what not to do.

Basically, like we're in Vegas, so he used to always be up in Vegas and shit.

I used to come up with him and watch him lose it all.

So like stuff like that.

But when I sent my mom that money, it was crazy.

I bought my dad a Corvette.

I don't like a lot of stuff I don't even show on social media too.

Cause like that's just shit that I actually wanted to do.

I market my lifestyle and like the shit that I buy, oh, fancy watches, fancy cars.

All I care about is my parents.

Like the most I spend a month is like if I spend six figures a month, like just out of my own pocket, majority of that's going to my parents.

Wow.

Yeah, like I swear to God, like a lot of rich people like won't help their parents.

And I'm always like, they're the reason you're alive.

Right.

That's how I see it because growing up,

dinner or whatever, or even trips to Disneyland, I'm always like, man, I can't wait to pay him back.

I can't wait to pay them back.

So like when I retired, my mom, it was great.

It was from sports betting and business because you cannot just retire your parents making 20 30k a month from sports betting so i'm very transparent about that it's like i own a very successful business that along with my sports betting is what allowed me to retire my parents and live this lifestyle it's not just sports betting it was just sports betting i would be a lot more down there that's why you know people who say like they bought this 10 million dollar house off sports betting i don't know how true that is off selling picks yeah i mean it's off-selling picks like the thing is you have to be honest with people because you will trick them into believing that they're going to become a millionaire just like you but it's not true I like to just monetize what I've actually done but I never say hey you could take that 100 into 100k that's what everyone says I'm like you're not gonna help them take that 100k to 100k right you know I mean it's like with my parents too when I started sportsbooking they hated it but anyways like uh when I retired my mom it was great like I remember the the process of retiring her was very boom like that it wasn't like oh mom i'm starting to make money i'll start making money within six months i called her up and i was like uh because she lives somewhere else and i lived in california right because just uh way cheaper to buy a house over there and she worked her whole life to buy this house she told me it took her 21 years to buy this house damn so i i called her up i go hey mom i'm gonna get you a penthouse and she goes what what are you talking about and i go you're retired just just come down and so we toured the penthouse 20 something blah blah floor and then the most expensive one that you could rent there and i go just live here i don't even care if it's rent i mean like i'm going to make it back at sports spending, right?

Whatever.

So, like, cause if I spend eight grand a month, six grand a month on rent,

I make that back.

Like, by then, I was really, really confident, right?

It was prime NBA season.

And it's true.

I have been making it back.

So I retired her there.

And then I was like, hey, mom, what is your favorite car again?

She goes, Tesla Model S plaid.

And I go, you really need a plaid?

She goes, yeah, I like it.

I go.

Ordered.

Boom.

100 G's.

100 G's.

And I sent it to her.

And then her whole life changed in a blink of an eye.

It wasn't like we grew up rich.

It was like out of nowhere.

Boom.

now you're retired.

And then I was like, mom, quit your job.

Quit your job now.

Cause she worked corporate her whole life.

I used to go to her damn office.

I used to sit there and do my homework.

I was an Asian kid in the background.

Classic.

I was an Asian kid with the glasses, a little chubby doing homework in the background.

My mom worked corporate.

I hated it.

I was like, really, mom, you're slaving away.

Cause I hear her drama 24-7.

Oh, my boss said this.

I'll have to go to Oakland to go do this.

I'm like, Oakland, you're going to die.

So I was always like, I hated that for my mom, right?

The second I was able to and comfortable to to retire her, done, no questions asked.

And at the time, I didn't even have anything.

I rented my apartment after hers.

So I moved into the nice one after her.

So it's like, my mom is everything.

Even like, so that was last year.

Now I just bought her a $2 million property.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we're going to build our dream house there.

And yeah, like, I didn't get my house first.

I still rent.

I just bought her a $2 million property.

We're going to build a bunch of houses.

And I'm talking about my dad too.

I retired him too.

I did all that stuff with him too.

Incredible, dude.

Yeah, man.

It's been great.

So ever since then, now my real passion is less in like making money and more like helping people.

That's why I want the software too.

Like, you can't tell me I'm going to make a software that will beat these books and I'm making it free.

And it's going to be 100% free.

You know what I mean?

You could have charged for that.

Yeah, I could have charge like 50 bucks a month for that and make a million a month.

Like the numbers that I will bring in, because I can easily get...

200K active users on that because it's going to be the best.

And I can charge even 10 bucks.

That's 2 million a month.

I could do that.

I'm making it free.

So is that the strategy, though?

Are you going to make it free at first?

And then once it's proven,

eventually, I haven't even thought that far, but it's mainly just going to be like, if you go onto the platform, so like I promote promo codes, right?

And literally anything about money you ask me, my members ask me honest, because you have to be honest in the market that is not honest to you.

So I'm very honest with people.

So every time you use my Projects code, chalkboard code, Underall code, I get some money.

So this software is like, it'll mainly be, if you want, you can hop on these platforms too, use our code, and that will be our only source of revenue

even if we break even even if we barely profit that will be what the business model will be wow because the goal is to just get a shit ton of users on like that's like one of my passions is just growing stuff like growing secured picks to 100k members that was insane i was like man life accomplished power my parents you probably can't even read the chat it's probably just nonstop yeah dude dude oh my god like some days when we win like when we cash discord just bugs out it just it just bugs out because my community is on discord so the chat is just tweaking and tweaking tweaking and it just bugs out and it just freezes and everyone's phones is dead and then like five minutes later like yo what the fuck happened what the that's crazy that type of stuff i'll post screen recordings all that stuff you're breaking discord yeah like it's so funny like it's so funny but yeah like that's awesome dude discord's been amazing it's just it's just fun because it's a community like it's everything i've wanted to build pretty much and like i'm just doing everything i've always wanted to do You're breaking the norm, dude, because even Discord has a bad rep.

Like a bunch of scammers on Discord.

Yeah, like Telegram and shit.

Yeah, Telegram has a terrible rep.

Yeah, like that's so true but um the thing is like even shit like okay if i'm making like someone will buy a year pass i'll make 200 so right now it's 200 bucks i used to be like 400 bucks uh i'll make 400 bucks like that they'll be like and they'll randomly say that they're underage for some reason and i'll be like dude get out and then i'll refund them but i could be making a shit ton of money off that like i could it happens a lot wow like people will be 16 using their mom's ids and i'm like dude get out just because ethically and morally i can't I cannot be gambling with you guys.

Even if it helps you guys, I'll literally have my team or me directly message them and be like, yo, bro, you're 16 years old.

Go find a real job or go do something, like something where sports betting isn't like your main thing.

My thing with sports betting is always tell people this, I can sports bet full time because I have businesses.

I'm a businessman.

I've always been an entrepreneur.

My first business was when I was 12, actually 11.

But like, I've always had businesses and a backup.

If sports betting fails, I have a backup.

And if sports betting fails, I have more bank roll.

I can throw in a bunch of money in my bank roll, right?

Right.

Very honest with you.

Yeah, very honest with this shit.

And it's like, that's just how I always am.

You know, that's how I've always been.

That's cool.

A lot of sports bettors don't have that safety net.

They're all in on sports betting, so it's a little more risky.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, they'll put like 200K on a game or 300K on a game, but it's some,

that's not the way to put sports bet.

You got to run units.

You got to run, you got to manage your bank roll.

Like, you can't.

I mean, you can, like, once in a while, like, Super Bowl, and you do some stupid shit.

Sean Perry bet a million on it.

Yeah, and he lost.

This year he lost, but he won the previous, what, six?

Yeah, but he went like a a crazy heater right after that too yeah but it's like sean perry is a millionaire he loses a million he doesn't even blink an eye you know so it's like guys who see that right i love sean perry don't get me wrong you know vouch for him whatever but like i like to be realistic these are normal people like you could tell me sean perry comes to me hey let's put 500k in the super bowl i'll be like no but i could do it i could do it and if i lose i'll survive you know like i will survive but normal people who put even a thousand dollars into a bet I would never ever ever advise that or even tell them to do that because realistically these are nine to five working people who cannot lose that you know I actually care about these guys so like my strategy has always been put in your bankroll what you can afford to lose like if you lost it today don't stress about it absolutely you know I got to ask about the tattoos man oh yeah man full sleeve full sleeve got my nick looks really professionally done yeah thanks I flew to Bali to get it wow I was like that was also one like how I started social media too um on my like on the personal branding side of things is tattoos so I got this when I was 18 damn it's like your parents were pissed weren't they oh man those Asian parents I know how they are I'm half Chinese oh yeah nice yeah like my dude my mom was pissed my grandma didn't talk to me for three months holy and I'm so close to my grandma like dude I love my grandma we do everything together yeah she didn't talk to me for three months you didn't give them a heads up that you were getting it well I did like a day before

so like so the thing with the tattoos right is like

everything has meaning obviously right but this is real meaning because ever since I was little I always knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur.

Never wanted to go to college.

I dropped out of high school.

Never wanted to do any of that shit.

Wow.

So I was like, dude, I got dragons on my neck.

Who's fucking that crazy?

Like, I know.

Like, people always like, dude, I don't like your tattoo.

I'm like, I don't care, but the why I got it is because dragons have always been my favorite animal, right?

And they represent power, wisdom, all that type of stuff, that corny shit, whatever.

But it's like, I wanted that on my neck because it's kind of like, I used to get like, low-key abused when I was growing up.

So like I used to be choked.

Like, so I was like, we're just going to gloss over though.

What are you talking about?

But yeah, I used to get like, bro, like, I got tattoos on my neck.

So it's like, I have power over my own life.

No matter what anyone tells me to do, I'm going to do what I believe will get me to a higher level.

So it's like, do you know this?

You're an entrepreneur.

Growing up, no one fucking believes in you.

Nobody.

They always tell you, oh, go do this, go do this, do this.

If I listen to you, I'd be in the same position as you.

I'd be nine to five.

Exactly.

So you're in control of your own power.

So like, or in your, you're in control of your own life.

So like, I've always been in control of my own life.

Never really listened to anyone that I didn't like want to switch places with.

That's great as well.

Exactly, right?

So it's like, if you told me something, I'm listening because you're successful, you're an entrepreneur.

But if like some, if one of my uncles that I didn't, like, that's like a degenerate, does this, does Coke or whatever, tells me, Ayo, you should do this.

Why the fuck would I listen to you?

Because it's not a respect thing.

Like I respect everyone.

It's a...

I wouldn't switch places with you, so I'm not going to take your advice.

Plus, normal people don't know the situations that entrepreneurs are in.

Like people may see, oh, so Kirpigs grew up, blew up because he just got a sports bank.

No, dude.

like we're talking about training so many employees, working so much, like working 24 or 7 non-stop, like almost breaking up with your partner, like ruining relationships with your family because they don't believe in you, but you believe in yourself.

So you got to separate yourself from like all that type of shit.

Losing all your money like in business.

like especially a business right you can see oh that's a successful business they could be in bankruptcy and you wouldn't know yep right like shit like that is so real so it's like entrepreneurship is a different level of mindset that you have to have going into it and just normal people just they just wouldn't know so no they wouldn't yeah like tattoos I purposely got my hand tattooed because there's no going back after this there's no going back you know like that one must have hurt yeah that shit was hell bro

but it's like but it's like you just gotta in the same sense as how tattoos all mental I genuinely believe business and a lot of other things are just all mental because at the end of the day we're all human and we are all capable of doing the same exact thing we can all do the same thing but it's just the guy who's mentally there who can stay up those hours who can stay fuck off to everyone and just get to work right?

Those are the only people succeeding.

Like the entrepreneurs, people, people who think about business and go, oh, I want to get into business because I want to control my own hours and I want to be more free.

You're not,

you're working more hours.

Way more, double.

Way more.

Double the hours.

Instead of a nine to five, you're working nine to 12.

Yep.

Like pretty much.

Like that's what I do every day.

Like I'm in Vegas, supposed to be having a good time.

I was working all morning.

And then now we're here working and then I'm going to go home and work.

And then maybe we'll have a good one, right?

So like, so that's just how I see it with everything.

The tattoos is like, they're basically a statement of like, I really don't give a fuck what what you say because my family asians they hate it my grandma hated it you're the only asian dropout i know from high school really yeah because they don't have the strength bro like nah they don't have the strength because i get it though like i literally get it because the one i told my mom i wanted to drop that's all we talk about college i was a straight a student 4.0 4.20 yeah like that type of shit like i had i had glasses i was really chubby like you may see me now but i may look a little different but back then i was really chubby very insecure all i cared about was school i was still extroverted very talkative, very ambitious, but I was stuck in that life, bro.

Like, I was stuck in that.

My mom wanted me to be an engineer.

What do engineers even do?

Like, I still don't know to this day, right?

Respect to all engineers, but that is not my passion.

I like building and growing things, business especially.

So I was like, once junior year hit, I had built a business before that, but then I sat down with my mom one-on-one.

Before I even started talking, bro, just to grab her, like, hey, my mom, can we go talk?

Crying everywhere, bro.

Like, I swear.

Like, she knew.

It was so, no, me crying.

Oh, you were.

Me crying.

She was like, what the hell is wrong with you?

And I was, I was crying, balling my eyes out.

Cause the anxiety and stress you get just from telling your parents that you don't want to go to college is unreal.

Because that is like, you're expected to do that your whole life.

Oh, yeah.

Your entire life, you're expected to go to college.

You're expected to go the traditional route, go the safe route and go take care of your family, be an engineer, have a nice 401k.

So when I told her that, I was like, mom, I will literally jump off this bridge right now if you make me go to college.

Like, I was so serious.

I was crying my eyes out.

I was like, mom trust me you know how because she knows she's always been so supportive of me but for some reason with culture and college it's so different like my mom anytime i needed her social security at 12 years old to start a drop shipping business she let me that's how much faith my mom had in me which is that's why i always give back to her like every single time i think of anything i think of her this whole trip i've been sending her pictures and i was like hey we're gonna take you next time right yeah so it's like when i first told her that it's like she was so against it still and seeing that i was was because for more for more context that junior year i had created an econ business and i was making 100k like i was well i made 100k by the end of that year but by leading up to that year i made 30 or 40k on track to hit 100k that year yeah that's pretty insane for i was 17.

yeah that's awesome two years ago three years ago so i was 17 right and i was like mom i'm building a successful business you know this is what i've always wanted to do but she's like oh it's not safe it's not this it's not it's not that whatever and i was like college i cannot it took like two hours of convincing and an agreement i had to make an actual agreement

and i was like if i have to make 100k by the end of the year for your first ever business 100k profit is insane

especially e-com where like 50 margins yeah so like the amount of grind i had was unreal but we agreed to that and i was really happy because i was just so confident in myself so it's like you have to have undying confidence in yourself right most entrepreneurs do they like have this kind of delusion of like i'm the best i'm the best and i can do it right and that's what you need like to be able to stand up to my mom like that and be like no mom like all this time you want me to go to college all this time whatever i'm not going like i'm seriously not like even if you make me go i'm not going to show up like i would tell her and i brought this i brought this up to her imagine i'm a bit i'm an entrepreneur i want to build businesses you want me to go to a nice four-year uc go into debt waste four years of my life and have all that money that i have to pay back and by the end of the four years i in my eyes i have nothing give me four years i will retire you.

I did it in two.

Why?

I did it in less than two.

Because I was 17, now I'm 19.

I did it the next year because I started SecurePicks.

SecurePix blew up within a year.

I hit 60K members on SecurePix within a year.

Sports band was taken off.

I did it all so quick.

But I'm one of, I would say like on a luck to ambitious standpoint, I'm very lucky and blessed.

Like every day, I think I'm blessed.

I don't think that I got here alone.

I think that someone up there guided me here and I like just put myself in the right position.

Right.

So it's like, that's just how everything is.

It's like you have to take that step to go tell your parents you don't want to go to college.

Maybe you want to go do something else.

Yeah.

Right.

And take that step to actually like

take power over your own future.

Like if you fail, it has to be because of you.

It can't be because your parents want you to be an engineer.

Because then you're going to look back and you're going to be like, fuck, man, my life could have been so much, but my mom, your mom wants what's best for you.

She thinks in her era, this was the right way.

But in this new era where entrepreneurships, online businesses, it is a new era of money making.

It is up up to you to do the research to understand that you can go through that route you know there's like guys on tick tock uh shop affiliate drop shipping making tens of thousands of dollars a month i see that like what reason is there for you to not to not like go learn that like what reason right instead of scrolling on tick tock all day go scroll business advice that's what i used to do like if i'm like okay if i'm gonna waste my time on tick tock or youtube it's gonna be listening to a bunch of these entrepreneurs and listening to their guidance and taking that shit in and changing my entire perspective on these things yeah yeah that's what i did too damn we got really similar journeys, man.

Yeah, exactly, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

When I was dropping out of college, I did not want to tell my mom, dude, but I had some revenue.

I had a business at the time and I was able to leverage that.

Because a lot of people want to drop out with nothing.

With nothing, bro.

And they'll come to me and they're like, yo, bro, I want to do what you're doing.

I want to drop out.

I'm like, all right, so what's your plan?

What's your passions?

At least you need to know what your passion is.

Mine is building things and helping people.

And those two make a lot of money.

So I was like, what is your passion?

They go, I don't know, man.

I'm like, just because you don't know doesn't mean that you just need to drop out of college.

I would say for the average person, college is okay to figure out what the fuck you want to do.

Like, some people like are creative.

They want to go into photography so they can go learn all that stuff, right?

But for me specifically, for you specifically, business, entrepreneurship, grinding, doing shit every day, you know, that type of shit.

That's, that's the type of shit that we're passionate about.

And we don't need college for that.

No, I was literally skipping class to work on my dropshipping business.

Yeah, I started drop shipping when I was 11 or 12.

I forgot, but back.

That's early.

Yeah, because when it was it viral, 2016 to to 2017 that's when i was doing it exactly i saw this all over my youtube feed i was addicted to youtube and anime so i would go on youtube and i came across some some drop shippers and i was like oh my god this is my moment because i always knew i wanted to be a business owner i was like i'm gonna do this i didn't sleep for like two days straight that's a weird thing i have too is like i would do all-nighters for some reason i just my brain won't shut off until i finish that goal or learn that's something that i want to learn so i would i stayed up for two nights straight crashed the third night i built my whole drop shipping store in those two days because it's so easy and quick.

Now it's a little, it's oversaturated.

We both know that shit's not real.

Like we both know that shit's not real.

But back then it was very achievable, right?

I was selling Rick and Morty t-shirts fucking like like the weirdest shit you can get on AliExpress.

Yeah.

But that shit worked.

It did.

I put, I, I paid like 10 bucks, 20 bucks on meme pages and got up there.

I was literally 12 or 11 at the time.

Let's just say I was 12.

But I was 12 at the time making a few hundred bucks a week.

Yeah.

That's how drop shipping time made my first 100K.

Nice.

A lot of entrepreneurs in our space, they started with dropshipping.

That was like a calendar.

That was a stepping stone.

Yeah.

And these days it's different.

Like, it's not dropshipping anymore, but people got to figure it out.

Yeah, exactly.

Now it's short form content editing.

I see a lot of those kids.

Exactly.

Like, the thing is, it's like, yeah, like, let's say anyone watching this, oh, I don't want to go to college either.

Go learn how to create content.

Oh, I don't want to put my face out there.

You're not cut out.

You're not cut out for it.

Or go find faceless something.

You know, like people do faceless content all the time, but it's hard.

You have to be the top of the top to do faceless, right?

So it's like, if you can't even have the balls to show your face, don't say you can't, don't say you want to drop out of college.

Don't say you, you can't, you don't even have the balls to put your face in front of a screen.

You don't have the balls to put your face in front of your mom and say, I don't want to drop this, right?

You don't have the balls.

Yeah.

Right.

So it's like, it's more of a, you just got to fucking do it, bro.

It's like, I tell everyone this.

It's like, how do you do this?

How do you do that?

I just did it.

There's no secret formula, right?

Everyone thinks there's a secret formula.

Just start.

Yeah, just start.

And it spirals.

You're going to learn more from doing it than actual talking to people about it.

Literally, like my uncle,

he's getting into building businesses, right?

He went to college for building business.

He said it was utterly useless, like utterly useless.

Like he, when he built his first business, that's when everything came in.

Facts.

Exactly, right?

So like that's just that's just how it is with entrepreneurship, all that type of stuff.

The stuff's changing so fast that by the time it's in a textbook these days, it's irrelevant.

Because yeah, another thing is like your parents, my parents, they are learning, they have learned outdated information.

So So 18, 20, 30 years ago, engineer college, that was the route to go.

That was, don't get me wrong.

Dude, fast forward 2024, going into 2025, no.

Like for people who want to get to that top 1% of income, where you want to be baller, you want to be rich, you want to live the lifestyle that you see Iman Gotzi, all these guys living, you cannot go that traditional route because that data is out.

you know, it's outdated.

Yeah.

Right.

So like you have to look at what is happening in real time present now.

You can see, why does everyone have courses?

Maybe selling courses is the way to make money.

It is.

Why is everyone doing TikTok Philly Shop?

Maybe it is.

So just go fucking learn that shit, right?

But it's like people are so, they don't want to put that foot in the door.

If you never go through the door, you're just never going to get to the fucking end of the hall.

Nine to five is out of cap.

Exactly.

Like, you're not going to make more than like $250 a year.

Yeah, and you could get laid off like during COVID.

Anytime you don't get laid off.

Yeah, you could get laid off.

You're at someone else's mercy.

Exactly.

Like, in the same sense, how like our employees, whatever, no matter, I always say this, like, it's fucked up it is but life is value if you as an employee cannot provide value to a company they're going to replace you that doesn't mean we're hating on you that just means the business owners care about their business they're going to prioritize their business so corporations like Apple Amazon Google eBay you have all these workers but like you can get laid off whenever and it's cool yeah you have you're making 10 G's a month you have a nice health care but like If that is not the life that you want to live, then don't live it.

Right.

So that's like, I know like a lot of people who are scared of getting laid off at at tesla like tesla just laid off a shit i heard about that yeah they laid off a shit ton of people it's my family works in tesla have friends that work in tesla so it's like it's just like you are at the mercy of you know whoever's in control same with amazon i mean ai is going to be replacing a lot of these jobs man bro like tell me about it like my software that i'm putting out is going to replace all these shitty ass sports groups really like bro the way that these sports group operates is like i it's all good bro make your money how you want to make your money but it's like you're just going on a software and you're finding the pics you like and you're just throwing it out there and you're making 10 G's a month.

Right.

But it's like my software will literally take over you because it'll be more powerful.

It'll be free and it's just better.

And then you can join secured pics for free because secure base, you could join for free just for the community.

And then if you want pics, you could pay.

So it's like, I cater to everyone.

So it's like that software is going to actually help people because I'm sick of these sports writers, bro.

I'm sick of them.

It's just not real.

It's not real.

Like everything I do.

I'm not saying like, oh, I'm the only fucking legit one.

I'm just saying like I try to be as real as possible and I see way too many fake people out there.

You know, that's just how, that's just how it is.

Dude, I've heard some of them have two different chats and then they'll

see the same pick.

Yeah, you know what they do?

Let's say Niners Money Line, right?

Or Niners Spread against whatever the Chiefs.

One group, like, these are big fucking groups, like near my level.

One group will bet on the Niners.

The other one will bet on Chiefs, no matter what they're winning, no matter what they're printing.

And it's fucked.

That's messed up.

Dude, when I found that shit out, I was like, what the fuck?

You guys are dickheads, bro.

Because how I see each paying customer is like, dude, that is a real human being who worked an hour or two for that entry fee and then 10 plus hours for what they're betting.

So it's like, you have to care about these people as much as like, I'm not even trying to be corny.

It's like for real, you know?

So it's like, these aren't just numbers on a screen.

You have to be real.

So like a lot of these guys create sports groups because you know it makes quick money.

Now it's a lot harder.

It's a lot more like back then, two years ago, you posted some shitty plays.

You could go viral if you hit.

But now it's like, you have to actually be a business person.

You have to actually be a business person.

Like

I'll do, like, I'm so serious about this shit.

I, um, I kind of, like, vet people who are in my network.

And if I see that their real potential or potential, they have good place, I'll mentor them.

And they're all making like 20 G's a month or something.

Wow.

Yeah.

So, and I'll take a cut of that, obviously, but like, I'll mentor them and then show them how to actually do it.

Right.

And, like, how to actually care about the community.

If you lose, fucking apologize.

At the least you could do is apologize to these guys, right?

So it's like, people don't even think about it.

People don't think about it.

They're like, oh, no, I've been red all week.

I'm like, then why are you, why is your channel like so dead?

Like, you're not talking or anything?

They're like because I've been red I'm like your community paid for you and you're red You have to talk to them at least you have to tell them yo boys.

I'm sorry It's a red day, you know like the very least you could do is that right?

It's like interacting with any human you're gonna fucking say sorry if you hit them on accident, right?

So yeah, what's the longest uh red streak you've had Dude, like the longest red streak.

It doesn't typically go longer than two weeks, but two weeks is rough.

That's a long time in sports.

It is.

It's like rough because like red streaks, everyone runs into them, but sometimes there's like actually nothing you can do so red streaks like let's say i lose for two days in a row then i start switching shit up like nfl we switch different sports switch different props switch researching switch all this stuff sometimes it just like it's just you're just fucked like you but that's in the course of like years and years two weeks so typically now my red streaks end super quick and it'll either go breakeven or just under uh a loss like if we're talking about losses but like typically it'll bounce back either break even or positive positive a little bit what how i structure my business is like we're waiting for that green streak we're not like hey you're gonna win every day we're kind of waiting for that green streak we bump up the units a little bit go a little bit heavier and now secure those profits that's how i like to run things because you have to think about it realistically right realistically are you gonna be able to win every day no realistically are you gonna be able to win more than 50 of the time no because the books have an edge it depends on your strategy and depends on what you do so that's the most control Going back to control, that's the most control I can have over things.

Dude, I see the funniest screenshots on Instagram.

People are like 180 and oh.

Yeah.

Like, come on, dude.

Like, bro, like,

realistic you can photoshop anything like dude let me show you this hold on this is just one of my books you can photoshop anything right so let me see so this chalkboard I like it they have better lines good promos so I had um 30k at the beginning of last week

okay so and you can see

you can see withdrawable so when cash is fake it doesn't say withdrawable and look So you can you can refresh it and everything.

So I started at 30K.

I started at 30K.

I started 21K, guys.

He started at 30K last week.

And I'm scrolling scrolling down to the bottom.

And you can see entries.

You can see actually placing entries.

You can see all that.

And you were even at 150 at one point.

Exactly.

So, yeah, exactly.

Nice.

Yeah.

Withdrawable cash, $113,000.

Exactly.

And the way I sports bet, bro, I have to get direct wires.

I can't even get like, I can't withdraw this because the app doesn't have the function to literally withdraw.

I have to message the guys because I know all the co-founders.

I go, yo, I want to withdraw 50K.

I'll invoice them 50K.

They just withdraw from here and then they invoice me.

Wow.

Like, that's how high level this is and people are like oh how do you not get banned bro i'm the biggest sports betting community in the world if they ban me they lose business they lose a lot about business like people people like think now you're a scammer because you're gonna get banned you're gonna you're gonna get limited why would they limit their one of their biggest sources of traffic right like me promoting chalkboard i'm so close to chalkboard right i win a shit ton of money from the sure a couple hundred g's but i bring thousands hundreds of thousands of users right so that's completely different you know so like pretty much anything you could fact check me on.

Like you can go to my Discord and check like what today is October 2nd.

You can check and see our win streak.

And you post your losses too, which no one else does.

Post my losses.

Yeah.

On Instagram.

So I'll be like, hey, boys, we cashed three out of four, four out of five, four out of six, whatever.

Right now, we're eight out of eight.

This week?

Yeah, which is genuinely insane.

That's a good streak right now.

It's really good.

Like we're really, we're super lucky right now.

We don't do this every day, but we're super lucky right now.

Sunday night football, Monday night football, we cash like big.

Nice.

Cash big.

I hit

for like 40K.

Holy shit.

Yeah, and that's on the separate books.

books on, um, so I use an offshore book because I can't use DraftKings a fanfield.

So like half of that came from straight bets.

That's awesome, dude.

Well, we'll link your props.

We'll link your Discord below.

And if your software is out by the time this airs, we'll link that too.

Yeah, hopefully.

And your Instagram.

Anything else you want to close off with here?

No, I think we're good.

I think we've pretty much gone through everything.

But any sports betrayers out there, just be careful because anything online can be doctored.

Like literally anything.

And if they're showing you the very fancy lifestyle or they're not showing you the actual winnings, you have to figure out who's actually winning.

Right, you know, because a lot of people have a lot of flashy shit, but it came from something else.

Absolutely, Tyson, it's been fun, man.

Thanks for coming on.

Yeah, appreciate it.

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