How I Built a 15K Client Empire (No Funding) | Ace Rogers DSH #1007

One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules.

First rule is what can you lose and what do you want to make?

You know what you can lose, you hit that, you lose.

Now the only exception is that out of 10 times, I'll say two to three times, I'll let you chase.

It means go back to the cage, get some more money, and fire some more bullets.

I found like, you know, a few of those times, like, if I didn't chase, I wouldn't have got my money back.

So I think like with every rule, there has to be exceptions.

But if your exception is I'm going back to the cage 10 times, that's not very smart.

all right guys we're here in vegas and uh you represent well coming up with the louis suit case thanks for coming on man yeah i always got a hard case

full of cash uh-huh you're big on gambling so that makes sense which uh hotel you like gambling at out here uh when everyone lets me now i'm back allowed into all of them so i like the aria cosmo uh win got it so you were banned for a little bit i was banned for like about six years damn Randomly called me up and said I could come back.

That's a long time.

Yeah.

Did they tell you why?

I got caught structuring.

Basically, I knew how to take money from them.

And I'd take like maybe 30 grand a day, but I would cash out.

You don't have to show ID if you show chips for 3,000 or less.

So if you go and you have three or four friends and you make 30 grand, you know, you go make two trips, maybe one at like 10 a.m., go back at 3 p.m., you can cash out all 30 grand without showing ID.

Because I don't want to be tracked because I know I'm winning.

Now you do that five to seven times a week.

How much money is that, right?

Now you do that over a few months, four, five, six, seven months.

Ended up taking $1.2 million from the REO, which isn't a lot for them over six months.

But the thing is they knew that I was structuring.

They don't like you, you know, they don't like you bending the rules.

Once they know that, they're like, okay, you're structuring.

And I got greedy.

I went back a second time in line and said, you know what, I'm going to be smart and not use this three grand.

I'm going to cash out.

Now they asked me for id and that's when they they had me and they that they went back and they this is the guy who's been structuring for six months

they uh they just can't they canceled me cut me out and kicked me out and then six years later they called me back said i can come back there we go

what was your game to make all that was it one game blackjack i'm blackjack sports horses and uh auto racing and uh that's it okay so a few games yeah football basketball sports horse racing and blackjack horse racing wow so you know your stuff yeah yeah i'm i think i'm one of the best Have you always been into gambling?

Yeah, forever, since I was 13.

And were you profitable at first, or did it take some time to build?

I wasn't.

At first, I was not profitable.

I would lose, but

you learn the game over time, and then I got really good at it, realized I could beat blackjack, I can beat sports, and I just kept going with it and making my bets bigger and bigger.

Interesting.

And have you had to adjust the strategy, or it's been pretty consistent throughout?

It's pretty consistent overall.

I have my own blackjack strategy.

I only play six-deck, I only play by myself.

You know, quite frankly, I don't play against female agent dealers.

People,

people are, well, that's kind of weird.

Well, go to the casino and go tell me what nationality most of the dealers are.

They're all Asian and they're all female.

And then if you walk to an Asian female and her name is one or win, what are you fucking doing here?

Like, what do you, your name's one.

I don't even know anyone named one or win.

It's like, I'm fucking out of here, man.

You're a fucking assassin.

I am not fucking playing against you.

And then you play so many hands, you realize that, you know, that nice old white guy over there, man, he seems to be a lot easier to beat than this freaking lady.

I just feel that Asian people have something magical with the cards.

Do you feel like the dealer actually matters?

100%.

Chip count, dealer, pit boss, you know, number of people at a table.

I only do six deck.

I play very fast, very hard, large amounts.

I don't sit down in the chair for the most part, and I play big and fast, and I leave.

Wow, so you're standing?

Yeah, because I'm going to play four or five hands, $10,000 a piece, unless I front them a million, and then they'll let me pay around around 20 grand a hand.

Other than that, playing 10 grand, maybe five, six, seven, eight rounds, and I'm out.

Similar to Dana White's strategy, then.

Yep, just go big, go hard, try to make a bunch of money, and go.

That makes sense.

Yeah, I see the Asians in the back route room, too.

Always.

They're everywhere.

That's the thing is there's something about them with the cards.

They love that money.

They love that back route.

I'm surprised you don't play back rat.

I don't.

My boy's Mickey Mason.

I know he loves that game.

So I don't want him to teach me how to play.

I know dealer bank or something.

I don't want to know.

I really don't want to know how to play because it just seems too easy.

It is pretty mindless.

You just pick one side.

Yeah, and I just don't think that's the game for me.

It's a game for him, but Blackjack's my game.

We have different strategies.

We were just talking the other day on my yacht and he's like, you can't win with your strategy.

I'm like, no, I actually win with my strategy.

I see your point.

But probability doesn't really factor into my thing because I'm playing so hard and so fast, so quickly that I'm not really falling into the probability of the game over a long period of time.

Yeah, I want to talk about the yacht actually.

It's a Lamborghini yacht, which I didn't even know they made.

Yeah, they just started a few years ago.

It's basically the only, there's two in the country.

This is the first custom specced out one.

It's in San Diego.

It's Blue Elios and I got it about a year ago.

Wow.

And why did you decide to get one?

I'm one of Lamborghini's best customers.

So when they offered me one, I just said, I'll take it.

Went down to Italy, specced it out.

It's 4.5 million cash, paid them, and they had it ready about a year later.

Damn.

So you bought a bunch of Lambos prior?

Yeah, I have like, well, I have Estrado, I have Rivalto, I've had the SVJ, I've had six or seven Urises, I got Uris Perfamantes, you name it.

Flamborghini has made it.

I've basically bought it.

Damn, and you made all that money from gambling?

I also am, I'm a serial entrepreneur.

I own five tech companies.

I own a retail store called Aspen's Doghouse, and I'm also a professional gambler.

The gambling has funded all that.

So my companies, as I've been told, are very rare because we have no funding.

We have no board of directors.

It's just I've infused gambling money into my companies.

I have a good strategy of making a shit ton of money gambling.

And then fundle it into service-based recurring revenue businesses off digital marketing.

So I offer a service and I get paid monthly on that service.

The main company is called Doctor Multimedia.

We have 15,000 private practice doctors that pay us every month for digital marketing, whether it's their website, their social media, their blogging, their video, their pictures, their SEO, their pay-per-click ads, you know, all the

eight different social medias they have.

We want to write content for them.

So they'll pay us monthly.

We keep their website up.

We keep their email up.

We do their text support.

We can show them texting services for their clients,

software for their patients, and

their customer service software, things like that.

We can help them get reviews online,

things like that.

We can help them get rid of negative views.

So all that is based around digital marketing for private practice doctors, and it's niched out.

So once I take my money gambling, I'll throw it into my company.

That will obviously create a bigger pile there, service space requirement revenue.

I was able to take that money, gamble more, and now I've got a pile going back and forth of millions of dollars a month on each side.

Nice.

You got a very good discipline, it sounds like.

Yeah, yeah.

You have to be disciplined.

One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules.

The first rule is what can you lose and what do you want to make?

You have to know, you have to have a goal.

There's a third one.

It's like how much time can you spend here, but that doesn't matter for me.

But if you know what you're going to make, That way you hit that you leave you know what you can lose you hit that you lose now The only exception is that out of 10 times I'll say two to three times, I'll let you chase.

It means go back to the cage, get some more money, and fire some more bullets.

Because if you chase all 10 times, right, that's not a system.

You're just going to go chase, go back to the ATM and go back to the cage and get more money.

But I found that, you know, you have to stick to those most of the time.

Know what you're going to win, know what you want to lose.

And then two or three times, I'll allow you, and you have to pick those times where, you know, because you're pissed, you lost, you're like, I'm going back to get more money.

I found like, you know, a few of those times, like, if I didn't chase, I wouldn't have gotten my money back.

So I think, like, with every rule, there has to be exceptions.

But if your exception is, I'm going back to the cage 10 times, that's not very smart.

But a couple of times out of that 10, you can go back to the cage, get some more money, and

you'll be glad you did

a lot of the time.

So those are my rules for gambling.

Notes you want to make and notes you can lose for Blackjack.

And speaking of rules, what do you think about the book in Blackjack?

I think the only place you can get the book is in the fucking casino gift shop.

So if it's in the casino gift shop, guess who's pumping it to you?

I play the exact opposite of that strategy.

Wow.

The exact opposite of that strategy.

That's crazy.

Because isn't it statistically one of the best strategies, though?

Statistically, over a long period of time on a six-deck shoe, I would say yes.

But look at what people are doing.

They're playing $5, $10, $20, $100 a hand.

I won't even touch those chips.

They're bad luck.

So I'm betting so big.

It's just basically me and you, flip a coin.

Let's go.

Let's not go over time.

Maybe it'd be 50-50, right?

If you keep flipping a coin, technically, it'd be, it would, it would go closer to 50%.

But if it's just me and you right now, and we do four or five flips, guarantee someone gets like four or one, you know, something like that.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's where I come in, and I'm going to bet big and bet hard.

So I'm taking myself out of the probability of the ratio.

I love that.

Yeah, because you're in and out quick, like you said.

You're probably done within 10 minutes.

Always, yeah.

Wow.

You mentioned luck earlier.

How much of that do you factor in?

You know, luck's pretty important.

I got to say, I've been always been just naturally lucky, knock on wood.

So for me, I think luck's a big part of it.

Some people are just naturally unlucky.

I can like sense their energy a mile away.

And for me, I've just, I've always been a very fucking lucky person.

So that's part of it.

But a lot of it is skill and, you know, having fucking huge balls, being like, I'm not scared to fire.

Someone's scared to take my bets.

I'm not scared to fire any amount of money.

I'll theorize this about your luck because I believe in karma and I know you are pretty giving.

I've seen you tip 10K to ballets.

I've seen you give away Rolexes.

So I think that actually helps your gambling person.

100%.

I'm appeasing the gambling gods when I do that.

Like, if I'm, you know,

I don't really, I don't fucking litter.

Well, guess why?

I got a fucking $300,000 on this game.

And let's say I just

threw something out my window.

I'm probably going to fucking lose that bet.

It's the way I see about it, because that's not a smart thing to do.

I'm not saying litter if you don't gamble.

I'm just saying I try to appease the gambling gods because whether it's karma or religion or you believe in Jesus or whatever, there's some higher power.

I don't know how nothing can be created from fucking nothing.

So something created this.

I don't know if it's a big bang theory, but what created that?

Something created this.

And whatever that higher power is, I believe being a good person, taking care of animals, and giving will say, hey, I have to be good in your eyes because sometimes I'm a complete fucking dick and an asshole.

So that I might be well deserving those fucking situations where I'm a fucking dick and an asshole.

But for the most part, I believe whoever the fucking higher power is or whatever karma is, they know this motherfucker's a good fucking guy, so I'm going to back him.

But it's like Wolverine, nicest guy I ever meet.

Bring the fucking claws out.

Well, now someone's got to die.

But then the end of the day, I think we all think Wolverine's a fucking good dude.

Just leave him the fuck alone and piss him off.

100%.

You have a soft spot for animals.

Yeah, absolutely.

You got a three-legged dog, right?

Yeah, I've had several of them.

One just passed away a few months ago.

And I always take Kerry Aspen.

I didn't bring him here this time.

He's back at home with his mom.

Wow.

What made you so passionate about that, you think?

I saw the relationship my roommate had in college with his dog, and I always wanted that.

And you'll find like I'm Indian descent, like, you know, red dot, not feather.

And a lot of us don't grow up with dogs.

Right.

And I just, someone told me that I'm like, yeah, it is weird.

So once I got my first dog, I just couldn't stop.

I always have four or five dogs at a time.

They're usually all rescues.

I've only had a couple of pure breeds in my life.

I like to adopt.

I don't like to shop.

And

I think that's also a big part of my luck.

because whatever, like I said, that higher power is, I'm taking care of fucking animals that can't take care of of themselves.

And I give them really good lives.

So that should bring me some sort of, you know, some sort of fucking luck, in my opinion.

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

I grew up in an Asian household, and I had to beg for a dog, and she never gave me one.

So as soon as I moved out, I got one.

And it's been life-changing.

And it's the best thing.

Best thing.

If you've never loved a dog, I don't really want to know you.

If you tell people, oh, it's just a dog, like, fuck you, dude.

It's not just a fucking dog.

I've had a kid.

You know, I love my fucking dog and I love my fucking kid.

Don't fucking tell me i have to love an animal less than my child i love them both equally i have a lot of love to give so i animals are just always going to be a part of my life and uh you know by passing that down like you'll be able to pass that down onto your children now like they'll be they'll be animal lovers and that's huge because that makes that makes for good people they're so healing man oh you don't

a lot of you people who

you don't need a therapist you need a dog trust me get a fucking dog dogs are therapy 100 i had terrible anxiety before my dogs now i don't have any Literally none.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

My dogs are fucking everything.

They just accept you for who you are.

Yep.

You come home.

No matter what kind of day you had, they're still the same.

I say,

some guys can leave their girlfriend for fucking 15 minutes and all of a sudden they come, not mine, but they leave their girlfriends for 15 minutes and come back.

Where the fuck were you?

Leave your dog alone for 15 minutes.

Come back.

Oh, you're back.

That's fucking beautiful.

I love that.

Yeah, I think I might rescue my next one, dude, because my first two were breeders, but I think there's a lot more fulfillment in rescues.

They really, I think the ones that get rescued fucking know.

They know when you save them.

That car ride home with that dog, that dog knows you saved it, and the bond you have with that dog is unlike anyone I've ever had.

And I've literally taken a dog home with one of my friends knowing that if anything ever happened to me, and I had thought this before I got the dog, I'm going to make sure he rides in my boy's lap on the way home.

Him and that dog always had a...

special, special relationship.

Wow.

But I was thinking ahead of time, like, I'm going to make sure he's in your lap.

So he doesn't really know.

So he's going to think you rescued him.

But, and then they had such a special relationship.

And I knew if anything ever happened to me, he would take Josiah.

I love it, man.

That's powerful.

You mentioned you had a kid.

You have a daughter, right?

Yeah.

Her name is Delilah Blue.

Do you plan on teaching her all this?

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm going to teach her everything I know.

I think

school's not important, but I'm not going to let school fuck up my kid.

If anyone's going to fuck up my kid, it's going to be me.

So I figure I'm going to teach her everything I know, right or wrong.

Yeah, no public school for my kids, too.

Oh, no way.

That's the worst thing ever.

They just teach you how to be good employees, man.

I want someone in business.

I want someone who can think for themselves and who is just a good person.

There's some aspects of school that are positive.

But for the most part, I think

wealthy and rich people are going to get homeschooled more and more and more.

100%.

Did you struggle working for other people at first?

Yeah, man.

I always say I've never had a job.

I've had like four jobs.

They've all lasted five minutes.

I just walked the fuck out.

Were they, what kind of jobs were they?

Well,

I had the job where you were cleaning up the cars in a parking lot for a grocery store.

I had that job for two weeks.

You know why?

Because the first day they gave me the job, I went fucking home and I came back and I clocked out.

Two weeks later, they finally called my name in the parking lot to come and like, hey, where are you?

And then they realized I had not been there for two weeks.

It took them that long.

Yeah, it's two weeks.

I never pushed one fucking cart.

And then like, hey,

you don't really work here, do I?

No, I just go home.

Every time I clock, I just go home and I come back.

I clock out four hours later.

I don't push one fucking cart.

I had that job for two weeks, but I never fucking showed up.

So that's a depressing job, especially out here in Vegas with the heat.

Oh, yeah.

I feel bad for those kids.

Yeah.

Man, yeah, but they don't know better.

You know, they really don't.

No, it's just how it goes.

But, you know, I think working's for some people, it's not for fucking me.

And especially, as you know, in this day and age, if you can't fucking figure out how to make a couple bucks with your fucking cells phone, some technology, some internet.

I don't know.

Everyone, even if like even someone of average intelligence has all the skills he needs to easily make six figures a year.

Like easily.

Because you know, six figures is not fucking hard.

It's just really just effort.

If you put some effort into the digital world, it's near impossible not to make $100 fucking thousand dollars a year.

Yeah.

Fucking impossible.

I think people are aiming too low for 100K a year these days.

Oh, that's not even real money.

No, it's fucking, my dog can live on that for fucking two months.

Yeah, when you factor in everything, 100K goes by.

When you got kids, that's not a lot.

It's nothing, and I don't think I can have enough money.

You know, I'm always going to use it.

If you're really utilizing it the right way, you're doing so much for the world and expanding this base you have with people, animals, and children, and other people in your circle, and your employees.

That I don't know, you have to keep making more and more money because now you have so many people dependent on you, and you want them to live well.

So, if I don't fucking make more and more money every year, what's that going to mean for them?

That means they're not getting raises, that means they're not going to be able to buy new cars, they're not going to be able to send their kids to the school they want and take vacations and have a good life and live a high quality of life.

So, I think money for me is, I always mention it all the fucking time.

Like it's my number one thing.

I love fucking money.

I said it on Bradley's podcast.

You know, if money had a dick, I'd fucking suck it.

And I'm not fucking gay.

I love that.

I can see why you have five companies now.

Yeah, you're really passionate about changing lives.

Yeah, you have to be.

And first I wasn't.

I remember my first, one of that, my buddy A.K., he lived with me.

He was one of my first business partners.

We lived together and he moved out and I'm like, shit, I have to pay you now?

I paid him basically nothing.

I'm like, this is never going to end.

And it hasn't ended.

I still pay him, but luckily, I pay him very well.

And at that point, I didn't really want to take care of anyone.

I was like, hey, give me five leashes and I'll be homeless.

I'll fucking make it fine.

But now I really love taking care of people, knowing like, put it all on me, your financial problems.

You won't have, if you know me, you will not have any fucking financial problems.

I love that.

What's your comeback when people say you're materialistic?

I like nice shit, but I also fucking give more than you do.

So

why can't I have nice shit, buy nice shit, have a Lamborghini yacht, and also give away eight figures a year?

I can have the best of both worlds.

I think that's called America.

So if it's just one thing, I, hey, look at all the stuff I got.

I don't base my fucking happiness on fucking Lamborghini yachts.

I base my happiness on fucking love and fucking animals.

Take all that shit away.

Give me my fucking dog and my kid and my fucking girl.

I can get everything back again.

I can lose it all and I can get it all back again easily.

But what I can't get back is my girl, my daughter, and my fucking dogs.

Love, love.

So I fucking base my happiness and love, but I'm usually not talking like that to most people.

I'm usually just money, money, money, money.

So I show them all the shine.

I don't show them the grind.

But if you really know me, you know, like I would trade it all for those three, those three people, those two people and those dogs.

So you just put on that for social media, you're saying?

More or less, yeah.

You know, it's just like, Social media is always, it's either like food on there, sex, or fucking money.

That's all anyone fucking cares about.

I've put out fucking, you know, posts where I adopted this dog or I donated $10, fucking thousand dollars to this fucking shelter.

Fucking gets no fucking views.

It gets no fucking play.

You know what?

If I, and I've run a lot of different sorts of

social medias and fucking online presences.

And I noticed if I put something fucking some sort of scandal out online, Fucking 300,000 fucking views.

So people want to see that shit.

But if me giving money away is is like oh blah blah blah blah they'll just say oh you could have you could have gave that oh you know they're just gonna waste the money blah blah blah blah so it's like just what are you supposed to do at that point yeah you see that with mr beast he had to start giving less because he used to give a million a video but no one gave a shit right no you're like you i'm not trying to be jimmy darts you know what i mean but at the same time is i guarantee that guy's getting sponsored and i bet you he's making a pretty penny off it now garnished as he should you know what i mean but there's only so many people that want to see that like you give away and i'm like that's just, I give a lot, but also 99% of my giving doesn't have a camera on it.

And nor do I care for it to have a fucking camera on it.

So I really should document more of it so people could see all the giving that I do.

But that's just not my

thing.

You know, I'm not trying to, because if I go up to a homeless person and I, you know, and every now and then I'll do it every now and then, but not without thinking.

I'm like kind of putting them on blast for my own fucking gain.

Right.

Right.

Why did I put someone?

If I'm going to give something, I'm going to go tell you I'm going to do this this and not show you the person I'm gonna give it to because then I feel like I'm exploiting them for fucking my benefit That's true.

Yeah, they could have someone they know watching the video that doesn't even know they're homeless.

Yeah, it's just not fucking fair.

I don't want I don't want to do that.

So I just give selflessly without a need for any media attention.

Yeah, it's the game we play as content creators.

I feel the same way you do.

Like I'll have on a billionaire a bright person gets no views, but you have on someone flashy like a Mickey Mace gets tens of millions of views.

People see what they want to see.

Social media is a fucked up fucking business.

Yeah, it is.

Have you gambled with Mickey?

Yeah.

Blackjack or?

Blackjack.

He plays Black Rack.

We're supposed to come out here soon.

Nice.

You guys should film that.

Duck Borrow.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

Do the casinos let you film?

No.

When you gamble?

You have to be very discreet about filming.

They do not like to film.

And now that I'm allowed back into them, I'm not trying to play any fucking games.

I used to, you know, same thing he does.

It's just like,

you know, real quick.

Snap a quick photo.

Oh, yeah.

You know,

why is this happening?

And then you just look around.

But now that I'm allowed back in, I'm not trying to play any fucking games with them.

So I just, I have enough problems in casinos as it is when I walk in, so I just don't need anymore.

Yeah, I mean, you stand out when you walk in with this and your shirt.

I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not, you know, when you walk in this and you fucking

go to a casino, man, and I'm just going to play.

Someone in every casino every fucking day has to come up to talk to me.

Like, hey, what's all the cash about?

And I'm just like, bro, we're in a fucking casino.

Okay, and this isn't the this isn't the fucking circus circus.

This is the fucking ARIA high limit room.

It's just some fucking money I need to play.

And this is the way I play.

I don't want markers.

I don't like markers because now I'm kind of borrowing and I don't play on credit.

I play on fucking cash.

And you can see it.

So when you see it, it's totally different than wiring into a fucking casino.

Now all of a sudden, oh, you've wired in and they give you chips.

Chips are fucking just as bad, man.

It was like, they're just chips.

Here you go.

Boom.

You don't see them as money.

You don't think about it.

No, same way, reason.

People are like, why don't you gamble online?

You could place all these bets online.

Okay, great.

Let's say I put $200,000 on Alabama.

They just beat fucking Georgia.

I had that.

I won $250,000 off that game.

Place that bet on the MGM app.

Okay, Sunday, and that's all I wanted to do.

That was my game.

I picked it out.

I fucking nailed it.

I won my money for the week.

One game.

We're out of here.

We're collecting.

See you next week.

Sunday morning comes around.

You know I'm putting 20, 30 grand on a fucking NFL game at 10 a.m.

Because it's not a big deal.

I go, if I lose it, no big deal.

I got a couple hundred grand coming.

I'm not going to care.

I lose it.

I'm fucking pissed.

I want my 30 grand back.

1 p.m., another 30 fucking grand.

What's it fucking 5 p.m.?

Sunday night fucking football.

Now I got fucking 60 grand on a fucking fucking game.

Now I'm down 120 on my 250.

Monday night football comes around.

I've got another fucking 225,000 on the fucking game.

Now I'm going to be down 100 all because of that shit because of an app.

So that's why I don't do it like that because I physically have to go and place my fucking bets.

So I collect my money and I leave.

So I'm not going to go to the casino to put put a $20,000, $30,000 bet in.

That's a waste of my fucking time.

So betting on the app, it's just a balance.

So that balance, it's just a number.

I'm going to sooner or later, I'm a degenerate gambler, just like every fucking gambler.

Next thing you know, Tuesday comes around and I'm just like, why didn't I just fucking, I had a plan, bet Alabama, take my money and fucking run.

That was my fucking plan.

But then 20, 30 goes into 60, 60 to 120.

Now you got to put a big fucking bet on Monday night fucking football.

I always say the fucking biggest fuck, the biggest idiot is the guy with the most money on the Super Bowl.

Sean Perry.

Yeah, it's like what?

It's just a fucking isolated game.

Now I've switched it for me because Super Bowl is a game that will take seven figures from me on.

If I try to bet seven figures on a fucking NFL game this weekend, they won't let me do it.

But on the Super Bowl, they will take almost any bet.

So

one of my larger bets usually is on the national championship game in college and football, and then also the Kentucky Derby because these are three events that you can bet basically almost any amount of money you want to on.

Right.

But if you just show up to a casino on a Tuesday to bet the Milwaukee Bucks, you're lucky if they're taking off.

You'll be lucky if they take 50 grand.

Right.

Because you'll affect the line at that point, right?

100%.

With a million bucks.

You'd be surprised.

Yeah.

Not on the Super Bowl.

But yeah, and people should be, they think like 100 grand doesn't affect the line.

It absolutely fucking does.

I've bet 10 grand on the halftimelines at the MGM.

on a football game.

It moves a half point right away.

Wow.

Just 10 measly grand.

I'm like, how much, how little is everyone fucking betting here?

And I know because I bet horses.

So when I'm at Del Mar and I'm betting the horses and they show you the pools and I know how much I've bet.

And let's say I put 100 grand there and then the horse goes off with $160,000 on it.

I'm like, Jesus,

160 grand, man.

I bet 100 of it.

That's nuts.

That's like, I'm one of the biggest, I just tell you, I know now I'm one of the biggest gamblers because 100 of that 160 grand is mine.

So when I see a line move, I know how little it takes to move the line.

50 grand, they'll move at a half point.

How big is the horse betting market?

I don't know many people betting in that space.

A lot of people don't bet big on horses.

It's not really a thing.

There's only so many big races that you can really bet on.

So for me, it's big for me because it's pool betting.

It's like poker.

They'll take as much money as you want because the house gets 17% of the rake, the track.

Damn, that's a lot.

So if you bet, if I bet 100 grand, they're getting 17 grand.

Wow.

And that goes into a win pool.

So my 83 grand is going to get split amongst the win pool and everyone else's money.

So they don't mind how much, they don't care how much you bet.

You can bet a million dollars.

But if you bet too much, you start affecting the odds where you're betting against yourself.

Do you sell your picks?

No.

For me, for the most part, if someone's selling picks, they're not a fucking real gambler.

Why would I give you my information?

What does Google sell information?

It's the most important, it's the most, it's the biggest commodity in the world, information.

So when people are selling picks, I'm really...

I'm really suspect of that.

If I give away my pick, let's say, to a thousand people online, they all bet it, even though they're little, little, little, little baby bets, you're going to fucking fuck up my line.

Why would I give you my information and fuck up my own line?

Most of those handicappers don't have the balls to bet their own picks.

So I used to sell my picks a long time ago.

I would never give anyone my information anymore.

Yeah, you're too big now.

Yeah, no way.

I'm betting too much money.

I'm not going to give you my pick.

My information is everything.

You move

the line on me a half point because you're going to get my information.

No way.

It doesn't make sense.

You can make more just betting your own money.

Exactly.

So why wouldn't they?

Because they're fucking not.

They just want your fucking, they just want to sell you a pick.

Yeah.

And a lot of times they're selling half of the pick to one side and half to the other.

I've seen that.

And I know some really good handicappers that I would buy picks from, that I actually do buy picks from.

I've bought picks from one guy for fucking ever.

He's really good.

But I know he doesn't have the balls to bet like me.

That's why he won't.

And he's much more risk averse.

Me, I'm like, I don't give a fuck about risk.

So the handicappers like that that are good, there are a few of them, but they don't have the balls to bet their picks they're a needle in a haystack though yeah exactly the guys you're seeing buying ads are all just you know it's just a fucking scam yeah it's a fucking it gets a bad rap your space oh horrible for yeah gambling yeah is a bad that's why i don't go in that market because

you you once you you lose a couple picks oh you suck you suck man i can lose i can go oh and a hundred on my picks I will bet my 101st pick without any, I'm not taking any information from anyone.

I know I'm that good, but I can go on a bad run.

Have you gone on some pretty nasty ones?

Yeah, I've gone on some bad runs.

I mean, I'm good enough where I never get hurt too bad because I can sense out a bad run.

So

I'm not going to feed into a bad run.

I'm going to shy away from it and

try to fucking

weather out this storm.

But when I'm on a good run, that's when you're going to fucking bet more.

What's the best run you've had?

The most I've done in a year is 40 million gambling.

Holy crap.

I'll average anywhere from 10 million to 40 million a year on gambling.

But there's been

about three years.

I'd say three years in the last maybe 20 that I haven't won, that I kind of broke even or lost a little bit.

That's still really good, though.

Yeah, to be good.

17 out of 20 winning years?

It's amazing.

That's phenomenal.

Most people won't even admit they had a losing year, so I appreciate your honesty.

No, absolutely.

You know, I lose.

I would tell people I fucking lose, but I obviously win way more than I lose.

And then obviously online, I post my winning tickets.

I'm like, why don't you post your losers?

Why would I fucking do that?

Why would I post that?

You don't think I lose?

Of course, I'm just going to post my winners.

But if you see my lifestyle

from 2016 to my Instagram, and you see we started out with BMW I8s, and now you see what we're driving now, and how much money we have now.

You've seen the come up for the last eight years.

You can't say that I'm not making money gambling.

It would be stupid for you to say that.

I used to bet $300 on Blackjack.

Two $300 bets.

One was to pay my direct TV bill and maybe the gas bill that came in.

And the other $300 was where we could have a, go-get dinner at Prime Steakhouse in Blasville.

And I'd be pumped.

$600, man.

$600.

Now, you know, we don't, now I tip fucking $600

for a meal.

So that's how it works.

And now we're just betting a lot more.

The numbers are a lot bigger.

Humble beginnings, man.

Wow.

Were your parents pretty successful or what were they doing?

No, my mom was a

special education teacher, and my dad was a textile chemist.

We were very middle-class to below middle class.

I could see why you're giving that with your mom being a special ed teacher.

Yeah, of course.

And she had an accent as well.

So she couldn't, like,

coming from

India, she had an accent.

So they wouldn't let her teach regular public school because you don't want your kid getting taught English by someone with an accent.

I can understand that one.

So she had to get a special degree to teach special education kids because it's the only job she could have in the public school system.

Wow.

So where did you learn the business side of things then?

Like, I always think the best fucking business men are fucking

kind of fucking

drug dealers.

They're fucking.

I sold fucking a bunch of fucking weed.

I got busted in Vegas about, I forgot how many years ago, I got busted.

Henderson got me, North Las Vegas, Las Vegas.

FBI, DEA.

Damn, you were moving volume.

Yeah, they were, but they got me with three pounds.

Wow.

Because

I knew they were on me, so I fronted it all out.

So they raided my house.

They only found three pounds.

And for all you professional criminals out there, which I no longer am, you never do two felonies at once.

So most of the times when you have that much, you're dealing that much weight, there's always going to be guns involved.

Always.

Someone's got, because you got it, you need protection.

I never have any guns.

So I knew I just got a bunch of weed.

So my felony was three fucking pounds.

I did 90 days probation.

Damn.

Yeah.

That's not bad at all.

Expunged.

And then my lawyer said, you know, you can go back to just dealing again.

I'm like, nah, means to end.

Because I was starting my digital marketing companies at the time because I couldn't meet anybody because I was dealing so much weight.

So I was always paranoid.

If I meet someone like, oh, you're a cop.

You're getting brought.

You're a cop.

Yeah, you're going to get me.

So I had to be isolated.

While I was isolated, I was always online learning how to, all the skills that I have now to run a social media or digital marketing company, I was learning online because I was just by myself all the time.

And I was starting this one sports site called Point Guard U for Arizona basketball.

And I learned all my digital marketing skills.

So once I got busted, I said, all right, I need something else besides gambling because I can't deal weed anymore.

So I started getting, I started, I got a couple of doctors for Doctor Multimedia.

And I realized how good I was at promoting them online and how many patients I got them.

Next thing I know, I take a clinic from 2.8 million a year, a veterinary hospital, to 4.2 million in fucking less than a year.

I just made you guys 1.4 million.

And I know all this traffic is mine because I drew them in with certain groupons and certain specials and this and that and certain incentives that I know that these are all new clients.

Like your new client special is mine.

This is how you got all these new customers.

So then I said, okay, if I can do this for you, I can do this for a lot more.

Now, fast forward to 15,000 private practice doctors a month, paid doctor multimedia.

Holy crap.

You were able to scale to that level.

Which is very difficult to do.

Anyone can start a digital marketing agency, try scaling it self-funded to $15,000, $15,000 private practice clients.

And now we have Jet Digital, that has a couple thousand clients.

We have LocalClicks, that just does social media marketing as far as pay-per-click ads.

We run all your PPC ads for your social media, your Google ads, your Facebook, whatever you want.

So that does pay-per-click.

We also have legal multimedia, which is now just for lawyers.

And then I have Aspen's Dog House, which is a retail store for just dogs.

High-end, the stuff you get at our dog store, you can't, and it's just dogs, you can't get in Pet Smart.

It's just the highest quality of stuff.

You're not getting Purina and Pedigree at my fucking shit.

You're getting high-quality food.

So when you get it at my store, it's going to be fresh.

It's going to be the best.

It's going to be the best stuff your dog can get.

It's going to be the stuff I would give to my dog.

The highest quality, leash, collars, bulls, you name it there.

And then I do the professional gambling as well, a little bit of real estate, and just a serial entrepreneur beautiful dude yeah the pet stuff is no joke I switched my dogs to raw diet they're way healthier now it's night and day you it just makes sense man kibble is so bad for dogs it's horrible if you could see how that shit was made you wouldn't fucking feed it to your dogs no shot and yeah people don't even think about the bulls you mentioned but those are shit quality too no 100 no I just uh just got this new toy and I'm it's working really well it's a smart dog toy and it like barks at your dog and it spins around automatically it keeps them so fucking engaged I need that because I got a herd dog.

I got an Australian shepherd.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

So he has a ton of energy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Those are very smart dogs.

Very smart.

You're very intelligent, a lot of energy, and you know, you're, you're, you know, you're a guy.

You gotta be fucking, you gotta be working.

So, you know, you're I don't know.

You need a dog walker or some way to take that energy out of the dog.

Yeah.

I'm a fan of smart dogs.

I don't like the the dumb ones, like the little ones the girls have.

Oh, cats.

Basically, yeah.

Yeah, more or less.

So, I mean, I like big dogs.

Unfortunately, all my dogs are pretty fucking dumb.

So, I mean, yeah, we don't win any awards in my house.

Like, literally, I got two dogs.

They're just Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber, man.

Fucking, you get these two together.

It's nothing but trouble, man.

They think they got these smart ideas, and they just like,

they just go looking for fucking trouble.

But no, I do like,

I like big dogs.

I like big ones.

I think a dog should be able to protect you for the most part.

However, you know, I've started and got it.

I've started.

I've got a little heart for small dogs now, little bigs.

I've known a few of them, and they've grown on me.

But for me, I always get big dogs.

Okay.

I just think the small ones are so annoying.

Oh, 100%.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Bitching and whining and crying.

Yeah.

You bring yours on the flights with you or no?

Absolutely.

I don't go anywhere without my dog.

One time you'll see me without my dog.

Just because I was taking a quick trip into Vegas, I just wanted to come do this podcast, and I'm flying back out.

But

we'll take the PJ back here on Monday.

Nice.

Did you gamble out here this trip?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yep.

Let's go.

That's all I do.

I basically stay up all night and fucking gamble.

Oh, I thought you were in and out.

I am, but, you know, I'm in and out, but there's certain games, and I'll go back and forth.

I'll have a condo here.

So

I'll go to here.

I'll go eat here.

The restaurants are open late.

So Blackjack, I'll go in and out, but it doesn't mean I won't do fucking like six or seven sessions of that 10 minutes during the night.

That makes sense.

And every now and then, a session does get to an hour or two.

If you're on it, yeah, because if you lose three in a row, you got to make it about a hundred.

Right, exactly.

So, you know, I'll just go back to my condo.

I don't go fucking.

go here.

I don't drink.

I'll

go get a bar.

Go to get a fucking orange juice, relax.

I'll start handicapping games.

And then also when I'm saying like, I'm gambling all night,

when I'm watching a sports game and it's fucking, you know, it starts at fucking 8 p.m., like

Arizona will start, I think I know, Unovie.

Arizona starts tomorrow, I think, at 8 p.m.

That's going to go to 11.30.

So me, I'm still gambling.

You watch the full game?

Yeah.

It's kind of like research.

You've got to kind of watch the teams.

I have certain teams that I love to watch and you learn.

Do you have a good control on your emotions during the game?

100%.

You'll never know if I lost, but you'll know if I fucking won.

I love that.

Yo, that's hilarious some people do not have good emotional control you don't want to be around those people like you could see it they start drinking they start going off the rails no who would want to be around that person you lose some money and now all of a sudden like people can't be around you now I always say fucking if if I lose we're going out and if I win we're really fucking going out it's what difference does it fucking make if I if the amount of money I lose like what's going out spending five ten fifteen twenty fucking grand it's not gonna make a difference anymore and if I win it's definitely not gonna make a difference have you always been sober uh no i actually had a really bad stint with alcohol the last couple years.

I just got out of rehab a month and a half ago.

I did

two months in rehab over in San Diego.

Didn't really tell anyone, but now I'm fucking proud of it.

And plus, I'm the man everyone should fucking want to be anyway.

So, you know, people want to hear the fucking struggle.

I'm not perfect.

I was getting drunk off my mind for the last two fucking years.

I wasn't the dad I should have been.

I wasn't the fiancé I should have been.

I wasn't the businessman I should have been.

Luckily, I'm so hyper-intelligent that I could maintain really well.

And then now finding out being sober as I am now that I really wasn't maintaining, I really wasn't.

You know, we're just making so much fucking money that there's no fucking problems.

No one's fucking broke.

We still got comfortable.

Yeah, exactly.

And that's, I found it's pretty common amongst CEOs.

You know, once you have everything in life, that drive kind of goes away.

You get complacent.

You fucking get comfortable.

And I've got that thing back.

I've got it all back.

And now I know like I kind of needed that a little bit where, yeah, I was in the basement of rock bottom.

And, and you know,

I

was in a really bad place with my family,

with my friends.

It affected every relationship, and I've been sober for fucking over four months, and it's the best thing that ever happened to me.

Wow.

Appreciate the openness, man.

Yeah.

A lot of people would not share that.

How did you re-spark that fire?

Fucking, it's amazing what that alcohol does to you, man.

It totally killed it.

And now knowing that, you know,

I did kind of take two years off of my potential, knowing my potential is fucking better than most men's potential.

I feel like I fucking need to make up for that fucking talent.

You've lost time, yeah.

You know, sure, I have everything, but if I had stayed the course, you know, I fucking be a lot closer to a billionaire than I am now.

So, and yeah, that's something I want to strive to just for what I can do for animals, the world, the people around me.

And, you know, if I get there, I get there, but you know, I'm well on my way there now, especially as being as sober as I am.

Oh, yeah, I love that.

When did you realize your intelligence was different?

I think in like seventh grade when

I got kicked out of junior high for calling it a bomb threat.

And then

I called it a bomb threat.

That was fucking smart.

I was trying to study for a test.

I figured if I shut down the school, I could read the whole textbook.

Oh, my God.

Fucking Asian parents, man.

You know, they put that fucking pressure on you.

I was fucking strung out on my grade.

So I called them a bomb threat.

They closed down.

They didn't close down school, but they came to my house and got me.

And I figured, and I, because I was scared of this pop test, so I wanted the the school closed.

So

I got kicked me out of school.

My mom took me,

and then I got kicked out of junior high around ninth grade.

I got kicked out of high school in fucking 11th grade, and my mom took me to take the GED.

I took the GED, I got my GED, I never graduated from high school.

And I go, mom, I could have passed that in sixth fucking grade.

That's when I realized, like, damn, my intelligence level at a younger age was smarter than everybody's.

And why I'm getting in trouble all the time, because you can't, you can't put people like me in a fucking box in a school system.

You're going to fucking rebel.

It doesn't make sense.

And, you know, now I know I'm the most successful person from the class of my high school class that I never graduated from.

Probably the whole school in general.

Yeah, 100%.

Not just

not even fucking close.

No, but that's relatable because I thought I was dumb because of school.

I was getting shit grades and I was Asian.

And you know how strict Asians are.

So my whole life I was like, wow, why am I stupid?

But that's not actual intelligence.

No, not at all.

School makes good employees, man.

Yeah,

you're just a robot if you're getting straight A's and getting a job.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd go into business when I was 18 years old and fucking fall on my face four or five times until I fucking figure it out.

Simple as that.

Like, this shit didn't work out for you as soon as you started, right?

You had your.

I started a pod five years ago.

It failed.

Right.

Ups and downs.

Then you learned everything.

And now it's, now no one can stop you because you know so much about this.

It's like, now I can just, now it's on a repeat.

Right.

They can't take that from you.

It's the experience.

Plus the connections and the networking.

I've really focused on that.

I'm sure you have as well.

100%.

I'm sure while you're gambling, you're probably meeting some cool people in the high limit room.

Yeah, yeah, you do.

You You meet some high rollers, some really, you know, some people at your level, you know, kind of, and then you meet these guys, and they're, you know, nobody really wants anything from each other.

We all have kind of a, you know, we have our own, so we can use that to kind of, you know, help each other to kind of multiply in all our resources, our connection.

Everyone has, I have a guy for everything, you know, and so do they.

So it's really hard to stop us when you have a guy for everything.

Yep.

Yeah, you're one degree from probably anyone you need.

Yeah, the first thing I did here, when actually, you know, your guy's like, hey, let me put you on this WhatsApp group, right?

Connecting everyone right away.

And that's like an invaluable resource to have.

Yeah, yeah.

Every single guest that's been on the show is in one shot.

And you're not allowed to promote your own shit in there.

So we only help each other.

That's really cool.

Yeah, I hate when there's like people just promoting their own shit.

Like, why?

Like, that's just so disrespectful.

Yeah, for real.

The lack of like respect for people.

People don't even pick up on that shit.

That's what blows my mind.

Common sense and common courtesy are not very common.

That's what I realized.

When you grow up with money, I'd notice it's more common in those people.

Right.

Maybe you have some class and some etiquette.

Yeah.

People without money usually,

you can't take someone from fucking Red Lobster to fucking Delilah.

Yeah.

Everything's handed for them, so they don't know better.

That's not real life, though.

No,

I'd rather work and earn for it, especially if you're a guy.

Yeah,

I would actually hate just being given money when I was growing up.

It would ruin you.

It would destroy me.

And when you don't have it, you look at everyone else who has it and you're fucking jealous of them.

And you're like, fucking shit, I wish I had it like that.

But not knowing, you know, not having money is one of the best things.

You have to learn how to fucking make it.

Most successful people, I'd say over 80%, have no money or little money, grew up in a rough environment.

I think they say, I don't know, 80-90% of fucking millionaires are all self-made.

Yeah, I've seen that.

It's all the poor people who want to say you have a trust fund.

Now, think about it.

How many people do you really know with a trust fund?

How many do you know?

Not many.

Thank you.

So where are they all?

I know, I know.

I know one person with a fucking trust fund.

It's just not how it works.

You know, you usually go out and make your fucking money.

absolutely.

Ace, it's been awesome, man.

Where can people find you?

Keep up with you.

Ace Rogers, CEO on Instagram.

No D and the Rogers.

Ace Rogers, CEO on Instagram.

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We'll link below.

Thanks.

Come on, man.

Any fucking time.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for watching, guys.

See you next time.