Inside Reality TV's Fake World: Former Star Tells All | John Ferguson DSH #990

It's actually crazy to see that reality shows are not reality at all.

I was actually at their house for three days, and after three days, they hit me up and said, Can you re-enter the house as if you just arrived?

And I already slept there, walk in again, and I was like, Oh, wow, this house is beautiful.

I never expected anything like it.

And my sheets were all over the place because I was already sleeping there.

And they actually aired it as well, so it was funny.

All right, guys.

Shortest guest I've ever had on, John Ferguson.

Thanks for tuning on, man.

I had no idea how tall you were.

You made me feel even shorter than I already am.

Yeah.

It is an absolute honor to be on here, Sean.

Dude, it's a pleasure.

I can't wait to get to know your world.

Dude, you're the first little person I've ever talked to.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, I hope I'm the best little person and the most unforgettable one you ever speak.

I love it, man.

So what's your height?

4'1.

Okay.

I've always claimed I was 4'2 until I got humble and then I realized I am an inch lower than 4'2.

You think you shrunk or i think i might have just worn the

i grew up wearing vans and they have such big soles yeah so i think uh once i switched over to the other sneakers i wear um i lost an inch wow yeah so when did you stop growing uh when i was about eight years old it was hard as well because i played hockey because i'm canadian and when i stopped growing and all my friends like really started growing and they were hitting their gross burdens and everything and my mom was like hey john like you are not gonna get any taller.

And then there was hitting in hockey when I was about 13.

And that's when it really hit me.

Like, hey, John, I had to look myself in the mirror.

Hey, John, you're no longer going to get any taller.

And all your friends are going to keep growing.

You're little for the rest of your life.

That was like a huge...

hard-hitting moment for me when I realized I couldn't play sports.

I always wanted to play hockey growing up and end up in the NHL.

And realizing I was small and coming to terms with that was the hardest thing ever in my entire life.

Wow.

But it took about five years of like growing up after the age of 13 when I realized I can leverage my height to really put smiles on everyone's faces.

And I realized everyone's unique in their own way.

And you can either be upset with how you are or you could really accept who you are and use it to your advantage.

And that's what I've done now.

I love that, man.

Wow.

So

you said you were eight years old when you stopped?

Eight years old when I stopped growing.

And I was about four foot one.

Massive head, though.

The head never stopped growing.

The head, I think, is still growing.

I love it.

I feel like Mega Mine out here, but no, I stopped growing at about eight.

But I'm really, I'm, I'm really happy I stopped growing because I wouldn't change the fact that I'm small for anything.

You wouldn't change it.

You got offered to be six foot.

Bro, unless I'm making the NBA and making those like nice, like $40 million

contracts, I'm happy at 4'1.

Nice.

I see a lot of things.

Yeah.

I see a lot of watches, see a lot of crotches, and I also see a a lot of booty.

Yeah, you got that angle, right?

It's not a bad life, especially here in Vegas, too.

Right.

Lots of booty.

But a lot of watches.

Yeah.

You're eye level with the booty.

Yes.

But also with crotch.

So it's like a win-lose situation.

Yeah, yeah.

But that's also why I'm a sneaker head, because I can see sneakers so well.

So never crease your shoes and bring them over in front of me.

That's a Pepe of yours.

I can really see them closely.

The creases.

The creases.

Yeah, some people don't take care of their shoes.

No.

But at least they wear them.

They don't like the people who

or who have high-end shoes and never wear them.

Right.

That didn't make sense to me.

Because if you're going to spend thousands on a shoe just to put it in your office.

Hey, Blake Wynn has some nice shoes and he wears them.

Yeah.

I know that.

So there you go.

There you go.

Blake Wynn.

Shout out to Blake.

Shout out to Blake Wynn.

We're actually going to see him tonight.

Yes, sir.

And the celebrity post.

I'm excited to see you play, man.

You said you played a little bit.

Dude, dude, I play all the time.

And guess what?

When I'm sitting, I'm the same height usually as everyone else.

I don't know about Howard, but I have the same size torso.

Yeah.

Just smaller smaller limbs and quite a large head.

I love it.

Did they put you at Dwayne Howard's table?

No, they didn't.

I think I'm playing with...

I actually don't know who I'm playing with.

Oh, you can study the feel.

I'm excited.

No, no, no, dude.

I'm just hopping in.

Just gonna improvise it, but I'm ready to play.

I'm so ready to play.

Let's do it, dude.

So is this a genetic thing?

How does it work?

So my whole family is average height.

Really?

I have no one else in my family who is little.

I think it's one of the, I think it's the 24th chromosome.

I think it was like my father's semen or something that made me short, but I have one in 40,000 where my mom and dad are average height and they had a little person.

However, me, since I'm already a little person, if I were to reproduce with an average height person,

then it's a 50-50 shot if it's little or average height like you.

And then if I were to reproduce with another little person, 50% chance it's small,

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Little, but then another 25% chance that it won't even live.

Whoa.

So it's crazy.

That's high.

It's crazy.

I've actually known a lot of couples who are each small who unfortunately, have lost their child.

That's terrible.

I didn't know it was 25%.

Yeah, dude.

It's a large percentage.

It freaks me out, but if I do ever have a kid, I've always told myself, I've told my family, I will adopt.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That makes sense because you've met hundreds of little people, so they probably share that sentiment too, that they're scared about having kids.

It's a huge fear.

But also, you know, maybe at the celebrity poker tour, I might find an avatar.

And it's just a 50-50 shot.

Who do you tend to gravitate towards?

About like five, five women.

Okay.

like just around that that like range of like not too short but not too tall okay so you're like a taller woman yeah yeah there we go i like to look up to my women

older or younger um older old dude i'm mature i like like the 40 year old range you like the milfs which is actually great because there's the lsu usc game this weekend in vegas and it is an older crowd it's all like the alumni and there's a lot of older moms here wow they really like it that's nice it's my like happy place yeah that's cool dude I know you're getting into acting.

Have you met Peter Dinklage yet?

I have not, and that's one person I really want to meet.

I would say he is the most famous little person.

I guess We Man is also up there.

Yeah.

But I would love to meet Peter.

He's a huge role model.

Well, he's not like physically huge, but he's a very big role model for all the other fellow little people.

He's a great entertainer, a great actor.

So I would love to meet him.

He was my favorite character.

One of my favorites in the day a lot in my life and Jimmy freaking show.

Oh, he did?

He was making like 20 a season.

What?

Bro, he crushed it.

He's set for life.

I know.

He was eight seasons.

Dude, yeah.

And he's hopping in a lot of movies now and everything.

Wow.

I've seen him speak on acting roles for little people, and there's not many.

No, there's not.

There's not.

And it'll only become harder because a lot of the production companies are afraid to offend and everything, as

they had with that whole politically correct world.

It'll only end up more politically correct, correct, and then it'll be even harder for the little people to get roles.

Wow, usually we would end up, let's be honest, in the holiday roles, like the elves, the leprechauns, whatever it is.

And now, as we move into this more politically correct world, little people will not get any acting roles.

I saw that with Snow White recently.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was all just average-height people who they ended up hiring.

What did you think about that whole incident?

I think it was a little bit aggressive for Peter to bring that up because he's already set for life and there are little people who are just solely actors and this is their shot to make a solid rack of money.

And now after Peter said that and he has the platform where if he says something where it's mean that they're making fun of us, you just screwed over seven little people at least who will now be unemployed and lose an opportunity to make a whole lot of money.

Wow.

So you actually disagreed with Peter's statement.

A little bit, yeah.

Fox News actually reached out to me and wanted me to speak on it in a segment, but I really didn't feel like super set on explaining it.

I don't know about the mainstream media also.

Dude, I held up.

I was on one segment with someone on Fox News.

I think his name is Jesse Waters.

I think I heard of him.

And he was speaking on pranks because I created this one Uber Eats prank where the Uber driver or whatever ended up grabbing me and they brought it up.

They're like, were you assaulted?

And it was live on Fox.

and i was like oh god whoa i'm afraid of freaking i'm afraid of the live media now yeah i mean they'll spin the story however they want they just did it with kamala's interview yeah i don't know which network that was but apparently it was a 41 minute interview yeah and they only showed like seven minutes or something dude the media is becoming like a powerhouse of just lies it's crazy yeah and it is only fox it's all the all of them all the channels are equally just they're pushing their agendas absolutely whatever they want to do they will spin it into the perfect way that they want it yeah that's nuts dude were you on the the show the little people show oh i was on little people big world yeah yeah i was on a couple episodes it's actually crazy to see that reality shows are not reality at all i was actually at their house for three days and after three days they hit me up and said can you re-enter the house as if you just arrived and i already slept there for 48 hours And I had to grab my suitcase, walk in again, and I was like, oh, wow, this house is beautiful.

I never expected anything like it.

And then they brought me up into the room I was sleeping at, and my sheets were all over the place because I was already sleeping there.

And I was young.

Like, I wasn't making the sheets after I woke up.

But I was like, oh, wow, this is a great room.

And it was a mess, and I felt so bad.

That's hilarious.

They actually aired it as well.

So it was funny.

That's funny.

Yeah, reality TV, you never know.

It's all a lie.

You think so?

It's great.

Well, a lot of it's real, but like a lot of the arguments and everything.

It's funny to see that, like, what do you see on TV that is real anymore?

Yeah.

It's hard to even see it.

Even like vlogging on YouTube, like half of it's scripted as well.

I still remember that show as a kid for some reason it's just implanted in my brain.

I think they went to into like 15 seasons.

Wow.

Zach Roloff, like this son who was small, he ended up becoming a great guy though.

Like he's a close friend of mine.

For a childhood celebrity, quote unquote, he ended up being a great guy.

He's his father now, of three.

Nice.

He has an average height wife, so he has three little people kids.

Oh, wow.

So he hit that 50-50 shot.

Three times.

Three times.

Damn.

Odds of that are one in whatever 0.5

cubed.

One in 16 chance or something?

Yeah, yeah.

That's crazy.

Small chance.

Yeah, I still remember that show.

How do you feel like they portrayed you guys?

Oh, they crushed it.

It was good.

It was for a

charity fundraiser or whatever so it was good yes you liked it was fun i really liked it yeah it was awesome and he has a great family as well nice and then there's uh there's conferences which i want to make it out to one of these yeah dude so it's called the little people of america the first one i ever went to was in 2008 in seattle it happens all over america and it's a new city every year and essentially it's one week at the end of june where a bunch of little people from all over the u.s but also a lot of the canadians fly in so i fly in with a lot of my Canadian friends.

And it's just one week of sports, but also a lot of socializing.

And let's be honest, a lot of sex.

Oh, yeah.

Little people.

It's a huge Orgy.

It's the greatest week ever for little people.

Holy crap.

It's the greatest week of the year.

And it's just a big convention of a bunch of little people.

We all get together.

And it's all ages as well.

It's like all the way from like a month old to 80 years old.

And it's great for all ages because obviously the young ones, it's a great opportunity for them to like really realize who they are and

I guess come to terms with the fact that they're small, they can meet other little people.

It's great for the average high parents who meet other average type parents who already have a son who's older, and then they can like ask questions about like, hey, how hard was it raising a little person, blah, blah, blah.

But then for us, like when we're like around the age of like 15 to 28 or whatever,

it's like a hammered sex fest.

Damn.

With a bunch of little people for one week.

Just a giant orgy.

Giant orgy.

Lots of alcohol, lots of sex, lots of sports, which is fun because it's like a literal level-headed playing field.

Yeah.

And it's a lot of fun.

That's cool.

You said earlier you love sports.

Love sports, man.

Love basketball.

Love hockey.

We're going to have to play basketball together.

I don't think I'll ever play basketball.

I'll watch you play, but like, I'd rather not break my ankles and your knee might hit me in the back.

You might hold off and play basketball.

Where do you rank with the little people?

Are you one of the more?

Oh, dude, I suck.

I'm not athletic.

It's so ironic.

I love sports.

I love working out.

I love fitness.

Dude, I'm not athletic.

I'm not coordinated, I don't think.

Really?

Yeah, I don't like that.

I used to play hockey.

I know, but I stopped at like 11 and then I skateboarded.

I love to do that.

You went through that phase?

Yeah, yeah.

Like, you know, she was the email phase, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I wore like all, like, you know, like the zoomies and all that stuff.

I love skateboarding.

I love watching sports.

I love playing it.

I'm just, I'm not that athletic.

And also, I always have a hangover during that whole week because all the sports happen early in the morning.

So it's hard.

So you're drinking a lot?

Bro, a lot.

But then I had like four months off ahead of that.

So I always quit drinking for the first two quarters of the year because I know the little people convention will be wild.

And then also this summer as well.

You go hard in the summer, yeah.

But I'm not going to be drinking during the celebrity poker tour.

Okay.

Because I'm ready to play.

You're going to be on alert.

Dude, I'm alert.

Guys, if you're betting on this match, you might have to.

I didn't know you could actually bet.

Yeah.

My friend's brother just put money on me.

I'm like, dude, this is real.

What were your odds?

Plus 6,000.

I think I have worse odds than the Huck Tua girl.

They must not have known you used to play.

I've never played before.

Yeah, they must not have known your background.

No.

I might throw 100 on you, dude.

Dude, splash a little plus six thousand that's that's a big returns with you that's 60k right or is that 6k i don't know the math on that but damn let's go baby um no dude i'm excited i'm so excited is this the first one you'll be watching live yeah i played in the last one i got like 40th it was my uh so i wore sunglasses

and no one told me but you could see my cards What through the lens?

How are you not going to?

I would let you know, dude.

You would have told me, right?

I swear to God.

Because people were were laughing at my table, and I didn't know why.

Oh, that's so shitty.

Yeah, so they saw my cards.

That's so funny.

Wait, so how long were you in for?

Like half an hour?

Three hours.

Okay, okay.

Yeah, I got wrecked.

Yeah.

How does it usually flow?

Is it like a lot of all-ins off the bat?

Or is it just like...

Someone gets out in the first two minutes every time.

How many are there?

There's like 80 players, dude.

You got nine tables out there.

Yeah, so you got to take it slow.

Dude, I'll take it slow.

Yeah, you got two lives, though.

Oh, really?

One bullet if you bust.

Cool.

Yeah.

Cool.

So, you went on the Amazing Race Canada?

I did.

I just did that.

We filmed it from the middle of April to the middle of May.

Oh, so it's not out yet?

No, no, it already there.

No.

I think they're on like the last episode, but I was eliminated on the fourth episode.

There's 11 episodes.

And I will tell everybody, it was the greatest experience of my whole life.

Wow.

The amazing race really made me realize who I am.

And I had no phone, no connection with the outside world.

I had no TV.

I read books.

I haven't read books since like freaking middle school.

I got to read books.

I it really helped me realize what I want to do in life and I kind of had like a like a philosopher-esque eye-opening

realization that I want to start creating a lot more things that relate with what I want to do and who I really want to like represent.

I want to do more for the little people community.

I feel like there's so many minorities now who play the victim and all that.

And I'm like, dude, the little people actually do go through a lot of things, like a lot of stereotypes.

We are one of the last unrepresented groups of quote-unquote minorities, even though I hate even using that word, that hardly get any good representation in the mainstream media.

So I realized during the race without a connection with the real world, so I had so much time to think that I want to do more for them.

And I also want to expand my brand brand where I never say no to an opportunity.

That's why when you reached out, you're like, hey, do you want to hop on the pod?

I'm like, heck, yeah, I do.

Yeah.

Like, you should never say no to any opportunity.

But for the actual race, however, that was physically challenging.

I bet.

It looks intense.

Dude, I totally believed walking into it because as we mentioned earlier, that reality TV is all scripted.

The amazing race kicked my ass, man, physically.

Like every day, it was like you had a backpack and they weren't lying.

They will not hold on to any of your stuff So you have all your clothes all your food everything you're running you got a pack light and dude You're running you you don't have a car or anything You're running like miles.

It was so cool cuz at the end of it dude.

I was shredded

This is the best shape I've ever been in.

I wasn't drinking or anything.

It was such a cool experience.

However When they reached out to me and asked me if I wanted to be on it, I had this plan of obviously bringing on a partner who was small because I thought that would be so cool.

I ended up bringing on an average eye friend who was freaking huge like you.

And that was the greatest decision I made because it was physically taxing.

Wow.

And my partner did a lot of the challenges that were like she would have been at a disadvantage with two of you.

Dude, we would have been out in the first lap.

But, dude, it was such an incredible experience.

I recommend everyone who would ever want to do it apply to the amazing base.

I think they have it everywhere.

They have an Asia one, Australia.

Obviously, they have the U.S.

one.

I didn't know they had Canada.

That's interesting.

Dude, the Canadian ones on their 11th season.

Wow.

I think the U.S.

one's on like their 36th season.

Dude, they're crushing it.

Bro, you have to be on it.

I'm down.

With those freaking legs, bro, you could really

use.

Yeah, I want to go on Survivor.

Would you ever go on Survivor?

I would do it.

Yeah, it would be cool.

I would have it on any of the shows.

After the amazing race experience, I would do it all.

Like, it's so cool.

And, dude,

you're flying around for free.

Right.

Like, there's nothing better than not having to worry about grabbing flights and all that stuff.

They cover your hotels, too?

Everything's covered.

Like you don't walk into it with a wallet.

Like you don't even have your

all you have is your driver's license.

That's it.

They hold on to everything else.

Damn.

Yeah.

So I don't even have a credit card.

So you don't have a phone.

But for some reason they fed me a lot of protein bars and that made me fart a lot.

So the amazing race made my fart smell so bad.

And now I weirdly have an addiction to protein bars.

And you still are eating them?

Dude, last night I ate them in Vegas.

I went to CVS.

I got like four Quest protein bars.

Oh, the cookies and cream ones?

Yeah, those are freaks.

Dude, I microwaved them.

What?

Yeah, but dude, my farts in the morning are atrocious.

Wow.

I let it all out this morning because I didn't really want to fart on a podcast.

I feel like that'd be rude.

I just met you in person.

Obviously, I met you before online, but it's like, dude, if I fart in front of Sean, like this is really, he'll be

the first impression you don't want to really do.

You don't want to fart.

Yeah.

Why do you microwave them?

It's like a soft, like, chunky.

Oh, so it melts a little bit.

Yeah.

Damn.

I love those things, though, dude.

I used to pound those in high school.

They're so good.

Are they still as good as high school?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dude, I love protein bars.

Sometimes I eat food that I used to like and it's not good.

I'm eating a lot healthier, though.

Like, I eat salad every day and all that.

I eat a lot of the vegetables and fruit.

But if you eat.

Do you eat a lot?

Yeah.

But

I do have 1,100 calories a day.

Oh, that's it?

Yeah, dude.

I don't actually eat a lot.

I burn 3,000 a day.

I could see that with your freaking big body, dude.

Yeah, it's nuts.

So I have to eat like

shape.

I'm in decent shape.

Is it hard?

So is it, are you at a point then where you like you don't want to eat more, but you have to?

I intermittent fast like you.

I do.

So that the problem with that, though, is you feel great during the day, but then you got to eat a lot in your last two meals.

Yeah.

So I have to eat like heavy meals.

I try to quit eating at least three hours before I fall asleep or else I feel like groggy in the morning.

Right.

Do you ever have that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dude, wait, so what's like your main meal?

Like, it varies.

Like, when I go to buffets, I eat 12 plates.

I would get a little bit of everything, but, you know, chicken, steak, mashed potatoes, broccoli.

Dude, we should go to catch.

Catch is nice.

You should catch up at catch and just eat 3,000 calories each.

You think you could do that?

I want to do an oyster challenge where I eat 40 oysters in one minute.

Whoa.

That sounds hard because you have to suck them out.

That part takes a while.

I'm a sucker.

If they just laid them out, maybe, and then you could use a straw and

I wouldn't do any hot sauce or anything.

Oh, just plain jam.

I don't have anything holding me back.

Just

raw.

I need some sauce in my oysters, bro.

Dude.

They're too oystery for me.

I love seafood.

It's like my thing.

I think in a whole other world, I was a sea creature.

I thought I was a pirate in my past life because I'm good at navigating.

Okay.

Yeah.

I believe in that stuff.

That's crazy.

I don't know what I would be in my past life.

I think I was an NBA player, I swear.

Yeah.

I really do think I was like a crazy athlete in my past life where I had this insane NBA career, and that's why I ended up small in my second life.

They're like, all right,

you had a really good like

living in the tall world.

Have fun at Farfoot, and I took advantage of it.

Now, I literally get to make people smile every day because I'm small.

Yeah.

Obviously, there's a few other things I have to add on to it, but being small has given me the greatest platform ever to make people smile.

I love it.

I love it.

What's the mindset overall of small people, though?

Because you met so many.

Everyone, I think, is happy happy with that.

Okay.

Which is so cool.

I think what's so cool about being a little person is we're one of the only minorities where you walk up to us and you're not afraid.

You honestly gravitate towards us.

Like you want to meet us.

I'm not saying there's any other minorities specifically that like you're afraid of or you're a little bit shy or you're just not really wanting to see them or meet them.

But little people specifically, do you don't see a little person?

you don't see a little person on the street and go i do not want to walk up to that guy when you're at the club you want to go walk up to that damn little person that's why it's so cool to be a little person because you already have the advantage when you're meeting people that's true everybody wants to meet you right it's hard though at the bar because then everyone wants to buy you shots it's like dude I don't need a lot.

You only need three, right?

Dude, yeah, three shots and bye-bye.

Especially when I'm intermittent fasting.

Like, I'm like 91 pounds.

Like, I do not need a lot of liquor, which is good, though, because it's cheap.

Yeah.

But then that's a whole other thing.

Everyone thinks because I'm small, my clothing is cheap.

Well, guess what?

I have a big booty, but I have short limbs.

So there, I have to get adult-sized pants because of my big booty, but I have to hem them and all that.

So it's even more expensive for me to buy pants than you because I'm grabbing the same price pants, but then I'm also having to hire somebody to hem the bottom.

Wow, that's annoying.

So you got to stop doing squats then.

Uh-huh.

No, no.

It's like if you're a little person with achondroplasia, that's like the specific type I have.

Yeah.

You just have a big booty.

Damn.

So there's specific types within the little people.

I have a wagon.

That's why I'm excited to see Black China tonight.

Because her and I can

talk about how we have big booties.

Yeah, you got to twerk together.

Oh, my God.

We should twerk on the table.

That'd be fire.

Yeah, you got to do something.

All in twerk.

Let's do it, bro.

What are the other types?

There's Achromesomelia.

Dude, I can't even pronounce them, but there's a heck of a lot of them i think there's over 200.

what the other one is uh hypochondriplasia that's like one of the main ones that's when you're about like four six so like you're right around the cutoff which is 410 and hypo like you have like longer limbs you look a little more normal i don't like using that word obviously but you do look a little more regular and a lot of them end up in the paralympics right for swimming oh got it so you could have entered the paralympics yeah yeah oh yeah for sure sure.

But I can't swim.

Dude, you throw me in the damn water.

Swimming's tough.

I'm very heavy up top.

I can't float, dude.

Yeah, I sink.

Yeah, dude.

I literally can't float.

If you ever hate me, just throw me in water and bye.

Wait, so if you're four, nine and a half, you're a little person.

Well, like, it's like a whole genetic thing, but like, technically, they just claim if you're under 4'10, you're good.

Wow.

It's like an over-under thing in sports.

What's the shortest adult you've seen?

Probably two foot.

He looked at

a

super rare form of dwarfism.

Wow.

Yeah, he looked up to me

for sure.

Damn.

Yeah, two is his dwarf.

But he was so happy.

It was so cool to see everyone just happy with who they are.

And that's such an issue in today's world where everyone just wants to play the victim.

Everyone wants to be upset with who they are.

Accept who the heck you are, man.

You only have one life at the end of the day.

Like, accept who you are.

Come to terms with what you have, whether it's some physical disadvantage, some mental disadvantage.

At the end of the day, dude, in this world, if everybody was the same, this world would be so boring.

Right.

Everybody is unique in their own way.

So leverage that.

Take that to your advantage.

And just accept who you are.

I love it.

And move on with life because you can't change it.

Yeah.

That's what I did, dude.

I accepted that I was little.

And I realized because I'm little, now I get to put smiles on millions of freaking faces.

And how cool is that?

I love my life.

You're representing you guys amazingly, man.

That's so cool.

When I go on social media,

sometimes I see people talking about the M-word, and they look really pissed.

Like, is that a big deal?

The word midget, yeah, it is like frowned upon.

I wouldn't ever use it.

Obviously, I will inform people if they ever say it, not to use it, but it's one of those words where a lot of people just aren't informed.

Like, they're not using it in a negative way.

So, I'd rather just not come off aggressively when someone says it and I'd rather just say, hey, it's not really a word that people like to say a lot.

So they don't like to be called that.

And then they're like, oh, I'm so sorry.

Like a lot of people just simply, they don't know what the cause, which is fine, which is fair.

I don't like the comparison, though, with the other words.

Like, they,

a lot of little people in my community compare it with like

a race derogatory word.

And I'm like, oh, really?

Let's not make that embarrassing because we didn't go through oppression and a lot of other things.

So, when was that shift with the M-word?

Because when I was growing up as a kid, I feel like people used the word.

Yeah, I used to use it.

It was midget, but right now it's little person.

And I love that word.

I think it's fine.

But the issue is, I think it was around the 2000s where it was like, let's just not use that word.

I wonder what caused it because it's like, we used to use the R-word, right?

Yes, yeah.

And I think it was just all those words.

They were like, every single minority group was like, all right, what word are we gonna cancel out?

And everyone decided to remove the word that everyone uses, which is hard, but yeah.

Yeah, it's just it was weird to me.

I don't know, it didn't make sense.

Everyone wants to play the victim.

Yeah, like one day it was fine, and then the next day you're the worst guy in the world.

I'm like afraid, and like, in like five years, what will the next word be that we can't use?

Yeah, for real.

Did you just call me a human?

Yeah.

What the heck?

Like, you know,

a human.

I'm an organism okay yeah is there any like other health implications other than the height um

other than having a massive wiener

um no um there's a few other issues obviously your limbs will get pretty sore especially if you overeat there's a lot it's super easy to overeat as a little person because we have the same like uh appetite i guess uh like we have the same size torso but there's not enough room for the food to to go.

Wow.

And a lot of little people end up overeating and obesity is a massive issue.

Really?

And the issue with obesity, with little people, is once you get heavy, our legs aren't strong enough to really hold all that weight.

So then it becomes a big cluster F.

Wow.

And

a lot of us ended up in scooters at 40, which is why I ended up intermittent fasting because I got so anxious.

But I kind of take things to like a little bit too far.

And then I like really quit eating for a while.

And then I've been eating a lot more, a lot of those protein bars and everything, you know, but I also eat healthy as well.

Uh, but yeah, there's a lot of other implications, a lot of limb issues where, like, you need surgery or whatnot, but other than that, I think it's just the same issues as everyone else, you know, you get those random, you know, health issues, I guess.

Yeah, besides that, the fact that we're just happy with who we are, that's all that matters.

There's issues with really tall people, too.

Yeah, you know, yeah.

Every inch past 5'10, you lose a year on average.

Really?

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Damn.

So Howard, who won't meet like...

Poor Howard's gonna

have some years off his life.

But if you think about it, like what super tall guy do you know that lived long?

Holy crap.

You know what I mean?

Whoa.

They drop pretty early.

This is early in the morning for eye-openers.

Yeah.

Nice.

That's crazy.

I used to think about it.

I'm going to look that up after this.

No, look it up.

Maybe it changed, but I remember I saw a study about it years ago.

wow yeah i had no idea i'm 6'6 so

i don't know why i have a weird feeling you're gonna live to like year like 120.

i'm pretty healthy but you are healthy like you you're over there having a big spring of water out of a glass yeah i drink out of glass i might modify my kids genetics okay are you having kids yes how old are you 27.

oh we're like are you in 97 Yeah, 97.

Me too, November 6th.

Oh, nice.

Nice.

Possibly 2015, baby.

Yes, baby.

Let's go.

You went to university?

Yeah, I didn't make it.

What's up?

All the way through Ruckers.

I think you did very well for yourself without university.

Yeah, these days you don't really need it as much as you used to.

YouTube's fine for whatever you want.

YouTube University, baby.

Dude, it's crazy.

You can spend 40 grand a year in university, or you could go to YouTube for free.

Yeah.

You just have to watch like a five-second ad.

I pay for YouTube Red.

Okay, so you do like $5 a month.

Yeah.

Or you could do $40,000 a year and have to walk to all your classes.

And you don't even choose what you learn, essentially.

Nope.

University, I think, is it's a lot like the R word and the M word where it's like, let's just keep it to the past.

Let's find something else.

Absolutely.

Did you go?

I did.

I did.

But you know what?

University, for me, I went for finance, which has helped me a lot in my life.

The greatest thing that I got out of university was really accepting who I was, but also I made so many videos online at university, which made me realize I want to do this as a career.

I want to make content as a career.

So, university helped me with that.

So, I wouldn't regret heading to university.

It was my greatest four years of my life.

It wasn't the greatest thing of my life because I was the amazing race.

But, yeah, I loved university.

It was fun.

Was there any other little people at your university?

There's a couple.

Oh, yeah.

You know what's weird about little people?

When you see them in public and you don't know them, they either like

look over you.

They either look over at you and provide you you with that like head nod

Yeah, yeah, we're each short We don't even need to say it Yeah, or they'll like see that you're also small and they'll be like oh and they'll like like hide I'm like

we're clearly each short like you're gonna at least Wink at me or something.

Damn, so that happened to you someone just saw you someone else went to the same university It was a Canadian one so it was like a lot smaller and they didn't even want to like have anything to do with me.

What?

I feel like I'd want a bond.

Dude, at least provide me a wink.

Right.

Hey, like i'm small too yeah because who else can relate to your problems exactly damn exactly we can relate baby maybe he's just too ashamed it was a girl oh it was a girl yeah and i just oh so she could have had a crush on you then yeah you know maybe she was playing with me she could have been answering my question over to you i don't think i'm ever gonna have kids what but you said you wanted to adopt i do i want to be a single father oh so you don't even can you do that uh yeah i think uh as a single father maybe i didn't know i think i don't even know yeah i don't even know So now there's two things after this podcast that you can look up.

One is the average age of someone over 5'10,

how long they last.

And number two is, can you adopt as a single father?

So why single, though?

I just don't think a wife could handle me.

Really?

Yeah.

You're that wild.

So not like wild.

I'm just like impatient.

You know, like I like to leave the house on time and stuff.

I like to do whatever I want to do when I want to do it.

Like even hanging out with my mom now, she like like rips my hair apart like John slow down I'm like I'm just like super hyper so do you think that's like OCD or something?

I think it comes with creating content.

I swear I wasn't ever like that like I was always late to everything.

Yeah, but then five years in the social media creation side it Turned me into just like this hyper animal where I just want to get stuff done.

Like I want to always be working if that makes any sense.

I'm like that too.

So yeah, like after this I plan on going to the shops in Vegas, grabbing Kim Kardashian skims, wearing them throughout the strip with my small friend.

That's hilarious.

I'll go viral.

Exactly.

You always think of clever videos.

I love just making random stuff where, like, you just,

you don't see that every day.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

So, yeah, it'll be fun.

That's what you have to do because too many people copy each other.

Everyone's doing the same stuff.

Obviously, I'm small, so I have that to my advantage already.

So that's unique in its own way.

but then i want to take it to a whole new level yeah no i love that dude because too many people just follow a trend and it's like it is crazy like you see so many of the same videos now so many it's so crazy like you've been creating for so long i know that because i think our first message was like four years ago but dude in the last four years like corona as well created so many new content creators and everyone's creating now yeah like it used to be i want to be an nba player i want to be an actor I want to be a firefighter.

Now the kids want to become a creator online.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

It's nuts.

It's a whole new world.

Do you advise upcoming kids to really dive into content creation?

I think if you truly have a passion for it, yes.

But I wouldn't force it.

I would never force working on something that you don't actually want to do, but you want to do it for the wrong reasons.

Facts.

Like, I dude, there's nothing I love more than walking on the street and someone walking up and being like, hey, you really made me smile.

Like, dude, that's fucking cool.

Absolutely.

That's how you feeling.

How the hell did I do that?

You know what I mean?

Like, obviously, the money and the fact that you have to make a living from this, but the fact that we can make people smile and entertain people is such a blessing.

Yeah.

I love it.

Do you see little people struggling to get jobs?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

But it is helping with this whole like new world of politically correctness where we are hired now for, unfortunately, I don't want to say the wrong reasons, but because we were small.

But they have to hire a certain amount yeah dei right yeah yeah so

it is hard obviously physical labor i don't see us in construction

that often or police officers but god that would be an easy way to run away from

uh but in like finance and all the like those jobs like office jobs is i think great opportunities for us but there are a lot of creators though who are small a lot of them are on that one platform where uh you remove your clothes clothes oh they make I heard about one of them that one girl that makes like a million a month air cow or whatever yeah dude all my friends like who are who are average height always hit me up about her like dude yo hit her up I'm like yo no

has she been in those orgies at the conferences no she likes average height guys

like not just average height guys like big average height guys damn like Howard guys damn yeah I haven't been on her OF, but it sounds like you have.

Oh, no.

But I've been sent a lot of her videos.

You ever see my hidden requests on Instagram?

It's like concerning.

Really?

People are like, they're like, hey, are you an MRED?

Or, hey, like, here's a video of little people without clothes on.

Damn.

I'm like, damn.

I can't believe you could just send that to someone on Instagram.

I know.

And I'm also like, well, no, like it warns you.

It's like, hey, do you want to see this?

And I'm sorry if I see that, I'm freaking going like, yeah, I'm curious.

Papa, I'm like, damn, I'm in the airport right now.

Someone else can probably see my phone, but yeah, she's crushing it.

You're going to make a lot of money as a little person.

You just remove your clothes and you upload it.

I haven't done it yet.

Have you considered it?

I'm not at that point yet, but you know what I mean.

If times are tough, I'm fully fine with nudity.

Like, you can, I will show my whatever to everybody.

I just, I, my grandma, I just don't know if she'd be happy to be naked online.

I feel that.

Yeah, I don't really want to hurt her.

Yeah, family life might be impacted by that decision.

So I'm going to keep my

hammer in my pants for now.

I guess you could blur your face or you know, not really would be so easy to just know.

Yeah, there's not many people with your ability.

That's the thing with the issue with being a little person is I couldn't rob a bank.

Why?

Because even if I put on a mask, like the shape, like the silhouette of us, it's quite obvious what it is.

That's how I feel today.

And dude, there's like you could just say, how many little people flew into that city today or like are from that city and then there's like what like 40 of us and then dude after that it's pretty sad to find out yeah well you're in toronto so maybe there is 40 yeah yeah yeah so i can't rub a bank on top of that like let's be honest our legs aren't that uh large right so running away was not really an option have you ever ran a mile uh yeah uh in four hours

it was a great four hours i was exhausted how old were you when you met your first little person that's a really good question i was three years old oh yeah so before you no clue i was even like small at that point i was like

that guy's small too the hell am i can you remember this uh yeah not really like vividly but then when i was eight years old that's when i like really made close friends with another little person who grew up half an hour from me yeah and then we played a lot of hockey we watched a lot of uh hockey We did, I was really into wrestling for some reason, like the fake one or whatever.

And then we really connected.

It's so good good for little people to grow up with another little person friend.

That's why those conventions that happen every year are so crucial.

Yeah.

And especially bringing your little person kid to those events at a young age.

Super crucial.

Yeah, I love that, dude.

Well, John, it's been a blast.

Anything else you want to close off with?

Any predictions for tonight's game?

Well, first, I want to tell the audience, Dude, if you're struggling to accept who you are, if you have any issues with your life physically or mentally, accept who you are.

No matter what, you are who you are.

You can't really change it just keep on moving on we're all unique in our own ways if everybody was the same in this world this world would be a boring place and that's why it's so exciting because everyone is different in their own way accept who you are and love everybody because guess what hate literally brings you nowhere well actually there are like a lot of celebrities like from just hating but besides that hate will bring you nowhere in life um also sean It was such a pleasure.

Thank you so much for having me on.

You are one of the hardest working people I've ever not met because this is the first time actually physically meeting you, but I've been following you for so long.

So thank you so much for having me on.

My prediction for tonight's game is:

I truly

think

that Ashley Nassera is going to win this thing.

Whoa.

Yeah.

She's smart.

I love Ashley Nassera.

She is such a great person.

But she's also from Jersey, so she has that like,

you're from there as well, right?

That like super grinding mindset.

I just feel like she's in it to win it.

Okay, and she uh, she's a good trash talker, too.

Super nice girl, but she's also a good trash talker.

Ashley Nasara is my prediction to win this thing.

I'll keep an eye on her.

I'll see you at the final table, though, right?

Dude, yes, you will.

I promise you.

Love you.

Sorry, I had to like hop off the chair.

I know you have a long reach, but I definitely know.

We made it happen.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you guys.