The Dark Side of Nostalgia: Baywatch's Impact on Us | Matthew Felker & Jeremy Jackson DSH #781

In order to be seen as a commodity or worth worthy and worth something.

You're trying to people please, basically.

Oh, yeah.

You're still doing that.

I mean, you go actually out of your way.

I actually get upset with you sometimes because you actually do too much for people, people that aren't really worth your time.

But he is really willing to do every and anything you ask, but you need to be more sort of structured on who you give your time to, I think.

All right, guys, Baywatch is back.

We got Jeremy Jackson and Matt Felker here today.

Thanks for for coming on, gentlemen.

Thank you.

Thanks for having us.

Thanks for coming.

Appreciate it.

How'd the new series go?

I know it took a while to get

long.

We started in 2019.

Five years, dude.

Damn.

Pre-pandemic.

Jeremy was our first interview.

And

he really brought it.

He was actually the...

We filmed about 10, 15 people, like back-to-back to back-to-back.

And everyone's interviews were really bad.

Really?

And we watched playback, and my wife, actually, who's about 12 years younger than me, she's pretty funny.

She's like, this is fucking terrible.

And I got super, got super offended by it.

But Jeremy actually

was good.

He was the only one that was like kind of off the cuff and open and had some stuff to say.

He had his, I mean, the

panty sniffer comment that was like three minutes.

Was that our first interview?

That was literally three minutes out of the gate.

I mean, this is one of my catchphrases is you are only as sick as your secrets.

You know?

So just let it all out.

Just let it all out, dude.

If you can't take me at my worst, you can't have me at my best.

I failed.

But how, remember I told you, I literally clipped it.

I go, that's going to go viral.

That's going to go viral.

Five years ago, I go, that's the one.

You're not going to use it.

I go, absolutely not.

But I think it got to take it out of context because everyone's like, ooh, he's so fucking gross.

What's wrong with him?

What a pervert.

He was fucking 12.

Yeah.

He's 12 years old.

Like, if you're 12 years old and you have Pamela Anderson running around you like half naked all day long, you're probably going to smell her swimsuit or do something with the swimsuit.

When you were like a little, you're like, when you're a little kid, you like going's, you want to see what your parents are doing.

You just like, explain to being a little kid on a set.

An ounce of

prevention is better than a pound of cure.

I'd rather be 44 years old today looking back and go, I'm so grateful I went into every trailer, sifted through everybody's stuff, looked at all the girls' Playboy magazines naked while I smelled their panties, dude.

Like I was ragingly hormonal.

They would all flirt with me.

They would like show me their tit and like a little bit of beaver.

Wow.

And I'm like 12, 13, 14, 15, going like, hey, please, you know?

Yeah.

So I was like, are you just running to the trailer room?

I'm going to go get the goods, man.

And you're a kid.

You want to know what's going on, you know?

Sneaking David Hasloff's trailer.

What's he hiding?

What's he doing?

You know,

I thought it was normal for everybody to have diarrhea every day.

He's always had diarrhea in his toilet.

You know, luckily he's sober now, like me, so probably is having nice hard shits.

Finally.

Is good.

But yeah, dude, I just went in and sniffed around, went through their covers, went through their clothes, you know, and looking back, I'm glad I did it.

You know?

You explored, yeah.

But what is that?

I mean, we kind of explored in the documentary, but we had so much shit to go through, we didn't really go into it.

Like just going through puberty as a kid on a show with what were like the most beautiful women in the world at the time, or at least we were.

Because it was the hottest show at the time.

Yeah, and those were literally hand-picked, like the most beautiful women.

Like, what is being 11, 12 years old, you're getting your first little puppy.

Like,

what is that like?

I mean, you know, it

brands into your, you know, cellular matrix, what it is to be cool, what is hot.

I actually like chicks with hair in their armpits and supernatural that don't make up.

But does it?

My style now is totally twisted because what was hot back then is just like normal.

But it's like, you know, think about like just society.

Like, you know, we're in this zone where the Kardashian body, J-Lo, that kind of thing is like what's beautiful to society type thing and the baywatch era was kind of what was beauty to society right does that fuck you up as an adult like what you're choosing in partners or what you're

for years it warped me i i chased an illusion i chased a fantasy trying to recreate in my private life uh personal life what was uh seen as necessary and or normal to be successful.

You got to have abs, you got to be super tan, and you got to have a blonde chick with big boobs.

Were the bolt-ons a necessity in dating?

I actually,

it's weird because I just kept attracting that.

It isn't even what I liked really, but I just attracted that and only that, hence my ex-wife, you know.

And

the outside.

The outside world is a projection of your inside world, right?

So inside, I believe that you must have this thing and be this thing and do this stuff in order to be seen as a commodity or worth, worthy, and worth something.

Right.

Right.

So I just kept trying to regenerate that.

And that's a self-defeating prophecy.

That's a dead-end road, you know?

Does that answer your question?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're trying to people please, basically.

Oh, yeah.

You're still doing that.

I think it's human nature.

We all are in some ways.

To survive,

you know, fit in.

I mean, you go actually out of your way.

I actually get get upset with you sometimes because you actually do too much for people, people that aren't really worth your time.

And I feel like you over, you always, I mean, this guy would do anything for you.

Like, hey, Jeremy, we need you.

We're doing the premiere.

Oh, I'm going to be in Costa Rica.

I'll just fly back tomorrow.

I'll pay for it.

Don't worry.

I'll be there.

I'd say, no, no, Jeremy, let them pay for it.

Let them do it.

But he is really willing to do every and anything you ask, but you need to be more.

sort of structured on who you give your time to I think I mean you give it to me all day long you're very helpful yeah but Everyone else.

But also, you know, thank you.

Thank you for that.

I appreciate you.

And I do that for you out of respect because, I mean, this guy came out of his own pocket, $4 million.

Wow.

He had a project that he believed in.

He had a vision.

He had passion.

And nobody else saw it.

I think Jeremy's the only person that actually believed I've got it.

I mean, I used to get calls from, when I was trying to deal with David Hassoff, I used to get calls from his publicist who kind of runs them, this woman, Judy.

Every time I would call her.

Oh, you're still doing that little Baywatch project.

How's that going?

Are you ever going to finish it?

And I always just get belittled every time.

And it was just like, wow, I don't think anyone thinks we're going to finish this.

And it's partially because let alone be on Hulu with record-breaking views of 30 million.

It's been a lot of numbers.

Wow.

I think the difference is the people in the documentary space now are big filmmakers.

Like five, ten years ago, you could do like what I did.

Netflix would buy it.

They were acquiring a lot of stuff.

It's just, I mean, it's like Skydance now.

It's doing the documentaries.

Like the deal they did before me was Ridley Scott.

And then Ron Howard's doing the one right after him.

These are like, how do you compete with that?

And even, I don't, I don't think

I'm like a bad barometer for filmmakers.

What I did was nearly impossible.

And I got lucky on top of it.

Wow.

I got one deal and I took it.

I called CAA.

They're like,

don't walk, run.

Like, nobody's getting deals right now.

You need to take that deal.

And I mean, I've been in LA for

24 years.

I've done a lot of things that are failures, but I've also made a lot of relationships with people and I used every single relationship on this product.

The reason we got a distribution deal, so not only did I, we were supposed to start as a 90-minute movie.

And we're going to go to like Sundance, Telluride, you know, cute little film.

Maybe we'll get picked up.

Maybe we'll get distribution.

And we just started filming so much.

I'm like, there's no way we're doing 90 minutes.

We're going to do at least four, maybe six episodes, whatever.

So

what your budget is, which is you have to, even to do a 90-minute documentary on it, you're seven figures.

You cannot even, you're not even in the playing field.

Maybe vice or any of these like bullshit that's like $150,000, whatever.

But those are like one-off specials.

It's like a controlled studio.

You're not doing locations.

You're not traveling.

It's very quick in and out.

And so we had one budget, and now we have four episodes.

So now that's four times your budget.

So

it's sort of like you really believe in yourself.

It's like, well, fuck it.

I'm, you know, I'm betting on myself.

And if I fail and if I lose, it's on me.

And, but just with our deal, so the only reason we got the deal is because this

No one, we talked about this off camera.

No one gets paid usually for documentaries.

It's used as promotional purposes.

Some streamers, I think Netflix allows small pay.

Normally they structure it as the producer, not as the actual talent.

But HBO, ABC News Studios, Hulu, they won't acquire something if you pay the talent.

And why is that?

It's not objective journalism.

And it also comes from non-union to union.

So the actual pay is different.

Then you have to be part of the guild and all that kind of stuff.

So it becomes a totally different product.

And then it's actually seen as almost reality TV where you can, hey, Jeremy, here's $10,000 to show up on camera.

It's a hyper documentary.

I know you don't have any problem with David Hassel, but can you talk shit about David Hassel?

Because I really need this right here because you're paying the talent.

But I had done a documentary with a filmmaker friend of mine called The American Meme on Netflix about social media.

And I was kind of like anti-social media.

I didn't have social media for years.

And I was sort of the antithesis of it,

along with like people that really leaned into it, like the Fat Jew and DJ Cowan, I think Haley Bieber and stuff was in it.

And this woman from ABC News Studios had seen it.

And she called me during the pandemic.

She's like, hey, I saw you in this, in this thing.

Would you be willing to do like a 2020 special?

Just same kind of premise.

You're kind of good in that space.

Talk about pop culture, whatever.

I said, sure.

And at the time, I started filming Bay Watch.

We were paused for COVID.

So we didn't really know what to do or how to like remote shoot yet type thing.

But I had, we bought all the cameras.

We owned cameras.

We own lighting.

We own sound.

So I did her interview remote, shot it on red cameras and just sent her a hard drive.

Like, you know, it's a $5,000 shoot, just free of charge.

Just sent it to her.

Like, here you go.

Ended up using it.

Did this 2020.

She's like, how did you do that?

I'm like, I'm doing this like Baywatch thing.

It's like, you know, taking forever to have all the equipment.

And she kind of like put that in her head.

Well, fast forward four years later, the strike starts.

She's like, hey, we got a spot for August 28th.

We need content for.

Where are you at with that?

I'm like, I got four episodes.

Here you go.

And she watched it and she's like, this looks really expensive.

We don't think we can afford this with just ABC News Studios.

Let me try to walk it up the chain chain to hulu which has a bigger budget yeah they're all owned by disney so disney plus has the biggest budget hulu's got the second abc news studios is the smallest got it they own esp on that kind of thing too so they walked it up the food chain they got us more money i still took a loss um

but it didn't matter i didn't if anyone goes into the documentary film space thinking they're gonna make a bunch of money you're in the wrong fucking space you're just there's there is no money left anymore the only way there's money left is if you skim off the product and you put it in your pockets and we put all the money on the screen

i mean the theme song was fifty thousand dollars a use front and back holy crap um

and i read some review on reddit some some dickhead is like i can't believe they didn't use the real song and they re-sung it i'm like yeah dude that's like three million dollars

who re-sung it uh scott grimes and debbie gibson so we got scott who does all the voices for family guy and seth mcfarland who has this incredible voice and he can do any voice possible So he sang it for us.

He brought in Debbie Gibson.

You're way too young to know who she is.

I'm almost too young to know who she is.

I'm the 80s new kids.

She was like the

Britney Spears, Christine Aguilera of the 80s type thing.

So anyways, it fit in our timeframe type thing.

So all these people came

and did favors because they believed in the product.

Jeremy got us location.

I think they believe in you, bro.

Nice.

I don't know.

I don't know what that.

I think as the ball got rolling, I feel they believed in me a little bit, but I think everyone was like, who's this fucking clown?

The fucking guy was in Britney Spears video.

What is this guy?

Yeah.

You had a chip on your shoulder.

Yeah.

And I think for, for me, it was, it wasn't only,

I think everyone that comes to Hollywood has got a chip on their shoulder.

I mean, everyone, unless you're like a kid actor, like you were, if you're moving from like the Midwest or out east or whatever, I feel any person that comes in entertainment industry is there to prove something.

And normally it's like you're trying to prove you're a little better than your hometown or whatever.

I got to a point where I felt that I'd been overlooked in a lot of areas because I had my 15 minutes of fame and stupid shit.

And I was like, fuck it.

No one's going to give me an opportunity to direct anything.

Too pretty for that.

How do you, how do you, how do you, how are you going to

get anyone to give you a shot?

You got to pay for it.

You got to do it yourself.

So, you know, most people spend their lives running around chasing financing and money and, oh, give me this.

And here's my pitch and here's that.

And it's, you know, it's people trying to make money.

Right.

But when you're doing something and money is your last

focus on your mind and you're like, you know what, the money will come if the product's good.

And I mean,

I overspent.

That was the problem.

But if I had known how to do this, I mean, you make a lot of errors the first time you do it.

I've never done this before.

I mean, I've been a producer on things, but I've never done everything.

Like I licensed the music.

I, you know, I figured out the legal, the fair use laws.

And that's, and I'll let you talk in a second.

I'll shut the fuck up.

No, no, I'm loving this.

I'm loving it.

I'm loving this, man.

What kids don't know, even my age, your age,

and younger specifically, they see like TikTok and Instagram where you can use really fucking expensive music for nothing.

It edits for you on AI.

So you just put it in and it's like, you have this beautiful edit.

Yeah.

That all costs a fuck ton of money when you're playing playing on a streamer.

Like you can, oh, you like that song, that you know, Billie Ioster song?

That's $600,000 a year.

Wow.

So they don't really understand like, oh,

I wonder why they didn't have this song or this music.

It's like, you can't afford it.

You know, every single clip that you use that you don't own, if it doesn't follow in a fair use law, you have to pay for it.

Like E, we're trying to get E clips from back in the day.

They were like $15,000 for 30 seconds.

Like, that's just like, so you have your film costs.

Every time we run a camera, depending on if we're in LA, Hawaii, whatever, it's five minimum, all the way up to like $30,000 for Carmen because we had her stylist, we had her lighting, because she wouldn't do it otherwise.

So we're not paying the talent, but we're paying to make them look the way they want to look.

You know, and I got really close to everyone that it was really important to me that they like the story I was was telling.

And I didn't give a fuck if you were the biggest star on the show or the littlest star on the show.

It was whose story was the most interesting.

And, you know, Pamela Anderson, I got some flack.

I read some of the reviews.

I read all the reviews.

Actually,

I read the bad ones because I think they're funny.

Because I laugh at critics because what is a critic?

It's a failed creative.

You can critique me when you've done what I've done.

Better, worse, whatever.

If you make the shittiest movie in the world, I have respect for you.

But if you're here, oh, why didn't he do this?

Why didn't he do more of Pamela Anderson?

You should have done this.

Because I couldn't.

It wasn't physically possible.

That's why.

There's parameters.

Sure, if you have an endless budget, you can fucking pay for anything.

Get any music you want.

I mean, Megan Ellison, billionaire, Larry Ellison's daughter, she makes great fucking product, but she's a fucking billionaire and she loses money on every single thing.

The entertainment industry now is like a museum.

It's rich people donating art and the stuff you see on Netflix that you're like, oh, that looks like a homework movie.

That's a piece of shit.

Because that's the in-house stuff.

And the good stuff is literally just product being donated by rich people.

And that's what this entertainment, the entertainment industry has become because there's no money left.

Wow.

Interesting.

There's no money left.

Like you guys, what were you guys getting paid per episode on Baywatch?

100K?

No, pennies, dude.

But Cast of Friends was making a million dollars an episode.

We were making like $3,500.

Wow.

Is that just timing?

Because you were before that show, right?

It's, you know, it's syndication.

Explain the difference of syndication and network.

Like, that's a lot of, like, I read a comment.

Pamela's son, Brandon, was like, oh, my mom got fucking ripped off and she makes this, that, and the other.

The reality is that show was not set up to pay these actors.

Friends was on an advertising model.

It's NBC.

It's a huge show.

They're getting huge advertising dollars to

have advertising during that show.

And that money's going back in the actors' pockets because we can afford a million dollars an episode because you guys are selling huge ad revenue.

It's like YouTube.

Like if you have a gazillion followers on YouTube, you're getting more money because

your channel is getting more views type thing.

Whereas the syndication model, it's these little tiny territories that there's no money.

There's no ad revenue.

They were trying to take money from brands to build advertising within the show.

Like, hey, give me Oakley's sunglasses and then we put it in there.

And I mean, these guys, you know, say what you want about Burkins Schwartz,

those guys are pretty crafty fuckers, like way ahead of their time in like branding and cross-promoting before, you know, that word was even a thing.

So, but, you know, licensing deals.

Yeah, I mean, you guys, there was money to be made, but there wasn't money technically for the actors.

And did they kind of screw you guys?

Sure, they could have paid you guys more, but they were smart enough to realize they didn't allow anyone to become a big star.

And they kept you in your place.

Whereas, I want to negotiate.

I want more money.

I'm a star on the show.

Like, no, that's cool.

We'll find another hot blonde.

It's all good.

You know, that's cool.

You know, this is where we're paying you $9,000.

Like, that's what you're getting.

Oh, you want 50?

Oh, I got there's another girl with big boobs and this blonde, and we can just put her in and name her the same character, and it's all good.

And that's where I think social media has changed the game for actors because if you build up a brand now, you can negotiate your pay.

Because you see these Netflix stars signing like a million dollars a year deals.

Well, it's brilliant because

it's like a proof.

It's proof of the product.

Like, hey, I got, you know, like your Instagram.

You have 12 million viewers.

There is proof that you have interest in your product.

So if you're going to go negotiate a deal, like, I mean, here are my numbers.

Here's my stats.

You can see exactly what kind of audience I draw.

You guys really didn't have any of that kind of stuff.

Right.

You had no leverage.

Yeah.

And, you know, when you're 15-year-old kid making 15 grand a week, you think it's pretty sweet back then.

At that age, it's good.

It felt cool.

No, I mean, for a kid actor, you put that shit away.

I mean,

did you put it away or did you?

I didn't put it up my nose.

Where else did you put it?

Where else did you put it?

I put it in my lungs.

I put it in my nose.

I got a lot stolen.

Stolen?

Plenty of hookers.

Yeah.

So many $100,000 deals, lawyers, rehabs.

It goes quick, man.

When did you start to kind of lose control?

I mean, you said it was kind of the end of Baywatch.

You really got fucked up.

Yeah.

End of Baywatch is where I really started partying hard, but, you know, I had a single mom.

I'm from Orange County.

I'm a beach kid, you know, with a single mom and a dad that's in and out of prison

and, you know, on housing, low-income housing and food stamps and stuff like that, getting free cheese and rice, standing in line at the church because my mom's too embarrassed to go in there and admit how poor we are.

So, you know, coming out of that.

Buying my mom

her first not broken down car, you know, being able to give that to my grandma and buy my mom a brand new 4runner back in the day was a big deal, but she's taking me to all these freaking auditions.

You know, it didn't seem, I don't feel like she stole anything from me.

It was really hand-to-mouth, you know, never, never had a whole bunch of money stacked away.

And when we did, then, you know, I'd get in trouble and it'd be a couple hundred thousand dollars to a lawyer and a rehab to stay out of trouble because I was partying so hard, so so early on.

Mom.

But I think your mom was a good mom.

I mean, I think, you know, it's funny when his mom has never done an interview before.

Oh, yeah.

And it was really, it was actually hard to talk a lot of these people into doing interviews because they didn't want to do them because you're not paying them.

They're like, you know, we just get massacred in the press all the time.

Why do we want to be in the spotlight again?

This is like counterproductive for us.

But she made comments, I think, off-camera or stuff that we just ended up not using that she said, even if you weren't a kid actor, you would have done what you did.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

It wouldn't have mattered.

No, the Hollywood, that's one, one of the main questions I get.

It's like, oh, you know, you were probably just around so much bad influence or something.

I was like,

dude, no, I was seeking that.

I was dying for that.

I was gravitating towards that.

The entertainment industry just provided me more money and more power to utilize.

you know, by being recognized to sneak into the club.

And I had $1,000 to pay the bouncer when I was 14 to get into the club, you know, so it just gave me more opportunities to dig a deeper hole faster.

It was not the entertainment industry that was a bad influence on me.

I would have been in gangs.

I'd probably be in prison for the rest of my life if I wasn't on TV and didn't have the money to get out of the trouble that I was getting myself into.

Wow.

Yeah, for sure.

So you think it was just in you?

Oh, yeah.

I could go on, you know, forever on this topic.

There's something that exists in the amygdala of about 9% of the world's population.

It's a mutation of the brain, which we can call a mental defect.

Any retarded?

No, no.

It's actually called the warrior gene by science.

They breed this into mice to make mice harder working, more dedicated, and harder to kill.

And they put a thousand mice in a cage with booze, toys, food, and shelter.

And out of the thousand, about nine to ten percent of them, lots of them try the booze.

Most of them.

But about nine percent will stay at the vodka and drink until they die.

And so what they do is they grab that nine percent before they die and they breed them.

And now you got a a 26% out of the next thousand.

And then they grab those 26% before they kill themselves with the booze and they breed them.

And now you got a 50%.

And they just keep doing it until you got 100%.

Now you got 1,000 baby mice, never tasted booze in their life.

And they're all just around booze, ignoring the shelter, ignoring the food, ignoring the toys.

And they're going to kill themselves.

They take those mice, they breed those mice, they take that offspring, and they never expose them to booze.

And those mice are 10 times more expensive for research purposes than the research community.

I mean, this is genetics.

So I think you have that gene.

I definitely definitely have that gene.

I was mixing household chemicals with a towel under the door when I was a year old.

I stuck something in every electric socket of my house.

I wanted outside power to make me feel different.

Oh, you're porgyless.

Oh, man.

Can you imagine?

Probably worrying about you every night.

Oh, God.

Jeremy put his penis in the light socket again.

It was a tear.

No, I would stick my penis outside of the screen door to have the neighborhood kids suck on.

Do not image that.

Do not

go ahead, man.

um but it was electric oxides and it was household chemicals and nobody ever showed me that what what I was told is be don't do that, it's dangerous.

It's be careful, this is not for you.

So my little mind decided that there's something that people know that I don't know, and that something that they know that they're not telling me about is my answer to feeling a part of this world because I don't interiorly feel like I'm a part of this world.

I have an internal searing going on.

I'm restless, I'm irritable.

I'm discontent.

And it seems as if there's a secret that I must find.

So I just got real busy doing anything and everything, especially if you told me it was dangerous, naughty, wrong, then I thought you were keeping a secret from me.

So I needed to go do it right away.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Tell Jeremy not to do it and he'll do it.

Yeah.

So yeah, I got the warrior gene, but they call it the warrior gene because

through studying some of our civilizations and different,

you know, smaller groups of people, Irish, fighting Irish.

You ever heard about an Irish joking holding his liquor and a priest and Irishman walk into a bar, yada, yada?

It's socially acceptable that Irish people are crazy when they drink.

Well, it turns out for 100 years when England tried to have a genocide and kill all of Ireland, the ones that were the most likely to survive were the ones that were most likely to have this warrior gene because they will do anything.

Your peripheral vision in the eye of chaos, in the eye of certain death, or when somebody else or your life is in danger, your peripheral vision expands.

Your sense of smell, hearing, and an innate knowing of what to do becomes very clear and concise.

So you're more likely to survive.

And then they have babies, so their babies are more likely to have this genetic predisposition to

drink.

Wow.

Same with the Native American community.

Oklahoma is in dire straits right now.

You go over there, half of the people are all drug addicted

and drinking themselves to death.

Same thing, conquistadors, cowboys, we've been trying to smoke the red man for a really long time.

Turns out the ones that that are most likely to survive, their children are more likely to have this warrior gene, which they call it the warrior gene, because we think it's a God-given protective mechanism to protect the procreation of mankind or something to do with evolution, that at least 9% of any small bespoke community, whether it's way out in the Andes or, you know, the Aborigines in Australia or whatever, that when a bear comes into the camp, at least 9% of them are going to run at the bear rather than away.

When there's scarcity of food or water, at least 9% of them will go to any extent to make sure their people survive.

And that's really what drug addiction is.

How do you control your mind, man?

It is a superpower.

Yeah, I'm just trying to follow you and it's just like,

drug addiction is actually a superpower.

It's not a curse.

You just need to learn how to wield it in the right direction.

How did you figure out how to sort of control your

head?

And manage it.

I mean, I think it probably took you 40-something years to do it.

Yeah, it did.

It took me a long time.

But it doesn't really matter how long it takes.

Once you have that liberation, once you crack through the firmament of your own constructs, it's fucking worth every stitch of pain that you ever went through.

And I would say it's by self-forgetting that I found.

Ego death.

What?

Yeah.

Because I know you had an ayahuasca journey, right?

Well, I've participated in, I've held space, I've been a facilitator in both Ibogaine and ayahuasca journeys.

I've done a lot of DMT myself.

However, I've never done the ayahuasca,

but I did a breath work at an ayahuasca ceremony with the president of the international committee representing Spain.

He flew in.

We were outdoors in Punta Domita, Mexico.

We had a surgeon,

a guy curing cancer down there holistically.

We had a double MIT PhD guy there, multi-millionaires, this kind of really, really powerful group of dudes.

And I asked the guy if I could just do breath work.

And I just, I laid there and I thought I had been breathing for 45 minutes.

When I sat up to take what I thought was a break, it had been four and a half hours.

And I had gone into every realm of awakening that anybody else had.

It was insane.

Like I tapped into

grandma through breathwork.

Crazy.

I might as well have done it.

So you were hallucinating on breathwork?

All the time.

That's normal.

Wow.

Losing complete concept of your physical self and of time.

By the way, you know, the icaros that they sing and they play they have this rattle or and a flute and every time the music stopped I had to stop breathing and I would hold my breath

and anytime I tried to breathe faster than the cadence I couldn't I had to I was I was locked in dude I was and I played around with it I was like oh I want to go deeper right I want to go deeper and I couldn't I

was in flow with this dude now the next day I realized there's no possible way the shaman stopped playing for only two or three minutes.

In four and a half hours, he might have left the room for 20 minutes.

I have no clue, but I know that I held my breath anytime the music wasn't playing.

I could have been holding my breath for 10 minutes, 20 minutes, or 30 minutes.

I don't know because I had no concept of time or of physical flesh vessel.

I was like totally astro projected for a long,

long time.

That's impressive.

It was incredible.

It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life.

And that's why the power of breath work for me

is so beautiful.

It's such medicine.

The medicine is inside.

I run a company in Orange County.

We have four.

Tell them what you do now for a living and sort of how you've kind of left entertainment away.

And you don't really give a shit about it.

And if it comes, it comes.

It's so cool, man, because as soon as I really didn't care anymore, as soon as I didn't have

some like hail Mary,

you know, saving grace idea, you know, that glimmer of hope that some movie or some TV show or some reality show would give me another couple hundred grand real quick.

And if I had that other hundred grand real quick, then I could do what I want to do and enjoy it.

And blah, blah, blah, blah.

As soon as I really didn't care anymore, like it came to me and I was like, oh God, I just got out.

But it was in a very, very different paradigm.

I was working with this dude's heart, with this dude's vision.

By the way, what you said about

putting that project together uh facing the uncertainty forces coming against you having a vision um

everyone tried to fuck with me for years he said he's like he's not really into the spiritual shit but you you heard every bit of spiritual journey applicable to any human experience any undertaking in life you just you A to B.

It was fun.

It was full Buddhism.

You were open to anything, attached to nothing.

It was quantum leaping from where you were at to where you went with no effort, not caring.

Like, it was so beautiful.

Everything you said was super freaking spiritual.

And if you would take a recipe, you know, after we filmed you, like the first day, when I remember when I got in the car and I was talking to you about going to jail and stuff like that, and we're filming in the back of the car.

So initially, Fremantle is the company that owns Baywatch.

Yeah.

And they're the distributor in the UK.

And they kind of became a big production company because of Baywatch type thing.

And now they have all these like big shows, but Bayowatch is really kind of what put them on the map.

And

I did a real like ballsy move and I just did a like a 10-page release in the Hollywood Reporter with all the actors, their quotes, and I'm doing a Baywatch documentary.

And then everyone that like owns the show, they're like, who the fuck is this guy?

Like, how the fuck does he think he's going to do this?

He never talked to us.

He never called us.

I'm like, oh, fuck it.

I'm doing it.

And they called me right away.

Like, the two creators called me.

They got my number.

They like literally called me within two hours of the trade release.

And then Fremantle, the head, like the CEO of Fremantle UK, like called me, like, not like a lackey, like, the dude.

And he's like, oh, well, um, how are you doing?

So I'm like, I'm, it's, we're finance.

We're, we're good to go.

It's like, oh, well, like, we'd be really interested in this.

This would be really great.

So they're like, I'm like, well, this is fucking great.

You know, we'll give you full access to our archives and whatever you need.

And this is so great for the brand and this, that, and the other.

And then

because

many of the actors don't like the creators or don't not like them, feel like they're owed money when they do, you know, a licensing deal with Amazon or Hulu or whatever.

But theoretically, they don't owe them anything.

Contractually, no one's going to just give you money.

Oh, I just made a million dollar deal.

Oh, Jeremy, I'm sending you a $40,000 check just because I love you.

Like, it doesn't work that way.

So I had to balance the creators against some of our higher talent because they didn't like them.

So the creators now are nervous thinking I'm doing, this is like the beginning of Me Too.

And you have a show like Baywatch, which people just assume like that's going to play in there.

And they think I'm doing this like Ronin Pharaoh expose going to take everybody down, like Nickelodeon, like the Nickelodeon thing.

Never my intention.

And I assured them that, but they didn't believe me.

So they emailed us right after I finished.

Jeremy, and they're like, we have no interest in this documentary.

We will not help this in any way, shape, or form.

This is five years ago.

Wow.

First day of filming.

My co-producer, who put in some money to Ari Shofit, he looks at me.

He goes, dude, he goes, maybe we should just like eat the money on this shoot and just say, fuck it.

And I go, no,

thumb the fuck off.

Let's go.

And we just did that continually.

And then they would come back and they'd want to see it.

And then there was a third creator that didn't participate that I just assumed he didn't just want to participate because not everyone does, you know?

Like he's an older guy, like, you know, doesn't want to participate.

No big deal.

We got Michael and Doug, who were awesome, and the two other creators that gave us like great archives were like really behind the project

Turns out two years into this thing

This fucking guy is pitching his own thing behind my back trying to compete with me like just working in the shadows have no idea

Now here's some spirituality for you So a friend of mine Kyle Newman who's a pretty established director like big NYU film school stud, he calls me up one day and he was very helpful He you know helped me with like all my friends helped me even people that weren't credited, they all helped me.

Like, this wasn't just like I was able to navigate.

Like, I was asking a lot from a lot of people.

And he goes, dude, my friend just told me he's doing a Baywatch documentary.

And

this is about a year and a half ago.

And he said he'd done a Baywatch documentary.

I'm like, oh, you do my friend Matt's?

He's like, no.

He's like, well, my buddy Matt just interviewed like 38 of them and he spent a bunch of his own money.

Like, you should maybe call him before you try to start this.

So these guys call me and they're like, you know, how much money did you spend?

Like, because no one knew I had the ability to finance it.

Like, I just, I don't live flashy.

I don't, I don't, you know,

no one would know I had a pot to piss on.

And they're like, well, how much you spend?

I told them much I spent.

They're like, really?

And I sent him the trailer.

I sent him the breakdown.

I sent him that we licensed the song.

I sent them everyone's involved.

They're like, oh, well, we were told this project wasn't real.

So this guy is going around telling everyone this project's not real while he's trying to pitch it.

He ends up stealing your breakdown.

Right.

Email verbatim.

So he got one of the actors, they're like still friendly, sent my email over

and then they sent it back to me from a different production company.

They didn't even change anything.

They just signed their fucking name on it.

It was literally my internal email explaining what the project was and it was about the 90s and this and that and the other.

I was like, wow.

So I sent this guy the trailer.

I sent him a,

this was a friend of a friend too.

I mean, he didn't know what he was doing, but it was fucking personal.

I had followed these guys.

Mike Newman is really sick with Parkinson's.

It meant a lot to him.

And this guy was trying to derail it.

And I wasn't worried about another project.

I was worried about a piece of shit that would have been made that would dilute our project.

That was my concern.

So I'm like, I got to be first to market.

We're fucking around with this too long.

I really pushed it forward.

And I sent this guy an email.

And I just told him, I go, look, I go, this is really personal.

I spent birthdays with these people.

I spent holidays with these people.

If you you try to do this, I will go out of my fucking way to make sure no one talks to you.

Have a good day.

That was it.

Then the people that bought my product, they sent me the breakdown from this guy being like, this isn't your project.

It looks really like kind of bad.

And I go, that's not fucking me.

Saw it was the guy.

So then he gets upset.

silently.

And after while our acquisition is happening with Disney,

we start the acquisition, we talk to Fremantle, they know what the project is.

They saw it, they had the ability to buy it.

They didn't want it, they only wanted to commit to international and not domestic.

And you don't want to break the territories up.

It's just a bad deal.

Everyone wants all world.

And

they knew what the project was.

So this third creator, obviously, he saw it because they probably sent it to him.

And he's like, oh, well, I heard it's just not that good.

And, you know, it's not really good for our brand.

And so while I was in acquisitions, they had a deal with Fremantle to give us

four minutes of Baywatch clips that we're going to pay for.

Like a lot of money, like a couple hundred thousand dollars.

Like not like chump chains.

It goes in their pockets.

And we got an email

like at the 11th hour at like three o'clock in the morning.

We're no longer going to license any clips to you.

This fucking guy lobbied Fremantle to not license me clips to try to blow my deal up at the end.

Wow.

Everyone tried to drop bullshit on me, but guess what happened?

I had all their fucking home videos.

This guy goes to Florida and he's like, I got 11 years of home videos.

And it's all the behind the scenes of the episodes.

Why do we want to see some lame Baywatch episode of like some slow-motion bullshit that's remastered and, you know, looks like it was filmed yesterday, but it's got like a bag phone instead of a regular cell phone?

I mean, you can't even tell if it's new or old because of how it's remastered.

And we finally got everyone to realize that we don't need these clips.

We have fair use.

We can use much less, and we can get away with this.

So, Jeremy came, then David Chokichi gave me like 10 years, then Nicole came, Gina came, and we just fucking trump carted them.

Wow.

And it was just like they, they tried to stop me until

six weeks ago.

So, even after a release, they were still trying to stop you?

Three weeks before the release.

My deal was not signed.

I worked unpaid, delivering this thing for seven months just solely with ABC News and Hulu.

And they didn't sign my deal till the very end.

Business Affairs was trying to tell the ABC News studios, by no means do this deal.

This is going to happen.

Don't do this.

Don't do that.

And

literally at the 11th hour, we signed the deal.

Holy crap.

Five years ago, I would have told you and lived by the Credo, you can't polish a turd.

You know?

But this guy did the impossible yeah the problem is that most people that were involved in baywatch

they only see the turd you know they're trying to resell the turd

matt turned it into treasure like literally he got he got into the the heart of of people and the story he made baywatch

not just the pretty bullshit but helping people realize that there are humans too who are hurt, who are stuck, who have moved on, who are half in and half out, who are sick and dying, who are battling cancer, who are helping other people in the addiction world.

Like it's, it's just,

nobody else could have done it.

I never, I never really thought, I mean, I grew up on Bayowatch.

I mean, I'm probably like most people, you wouldn't watch a full episode.

You kind of just have it on the back.

You look at like, oh, that's what I'm supposed to look at as a guy.

And that's, you know, the girl I'm supposed to date type thing.

But it was very influential.

I mean, I was a real life guard and it probably was 80% because of the show

because it looked cool.

Like, fuck, I'm going to go to the beach.

I'm going to get tan.

I'm going to be ripped.

I'm going to, you know, be with hot girls.

Like, I'm going to live in California.

I mean, I live in Malibu.

Yeah.

I mean, I came from Wisconsin.

I mean, there's probably a reason I live where I live.

And I, you know, I'll be lame enough to admit it probably was this guy.

My older brother's friends used to call me fucking Hobie, which was his character.

I'm like, jump a little hobie.

What's going on, Mix?

I was like a little Wisconsin because they wanted to be California.

And we're all like the surf gear, even though we couldn't surf because we're in fucking Wisconsin.

Did they hit you up when they made that movie a few years ago with Zach Geoffron?

They did.

Oh, they did?

Yeah.

I did a FaceTime

kind of pre-check-in interview in the back seat of a car, probably been out for two weeks, smoking meth pretty regularly.

See, probably didn't get the job.

Pretty sure I had just stabbed a knife-wielding gunman, and I was on the run for like attempted murder.

And I was like,

Yeah, I can pull it together, no problem.

They never called called me back.

Holy crap.

That's crazy.

You know,

everything that exists on the face of this planet to make supercars and computers existed when Cavemen were here, but they didn't have a conscious awareness of it.

The opportunities are abundant and infinite and endless.

The opportunity came to me.

I wasn't ready.

I wasn't ready.

I wasn't aware.

Wow.

So stay ready, man.

So then you went to rehab from there, right?

Celebrity rehab.

Yeah, celebrity rehab was a was quite an adventure.

Did you get kicked out right away?

What's What's that?

No, no, no.

You know, they had offered me the show a million times, and, you know, I was clean and sober for over 10 years

during that time.

And I was like, no, no, no.

And then they called me, and I was like, I mean,

15 years ago, okay?

Ashwagandha,

cordyceps, freaking holy basil.

All that shit that's like super popular.

All the stuff that I'm injecting, IGF, BPC, TB500.

I'm taking copper peptide.

I'm taking human growth hormone.

I'm injecting procaine solution, gerovital, serovital, all of these anti-aging, biohacking stuff.

I'm on B12.

I mean, I'm sticking, you know, L-carnitine and glutathione.

I'm doing, just doing like 11 injections a day.

And I'm like, I'm sober, but if you come over to my house and see what I do, like, I look like I'm out of control.

And they're like, no, no, no, no, no.

You got to be like on drugs.

I'm like, just come spend a day with me.

Watch.

They come over to my house and I got kilos of human growth hormone and all these different injectable peptides.

And they're like, whoa,

okay, you can do the show.

So I went on the show

for steroid abuse.

You can come.

Right?

And I'm saying these words and all these, you know, things I'm taking to them.

It sounds like I'm on illicit TRT.

Yeah, but the irony is like Rogan and all those guys, they're all like

15 years ago.

Injecting TRT, you know.

I mean, every actor.

Now, if you're not doing it, you're lame.

Every actor over 35 that's in a Marvel movie or Jack is on growth hormone and testosterone and 100% on TRT.

15 years ago, I walked in to the set of celebrity rehab with my water purification system

and they said, what's going on?

And I said, oh, dude,

tap water like fucks with your sexuality.

Like it calcifies your pineal gland and it creates a lot of sexual deviancy and all kinds of free thinking issues.

And it's basically one of the hugest problems in our world today.

And I got slammed in the media.

Jeremy Jackson says drinking tap water makes you gay.

And I was like trying to explain that it it perverts

your normal.

No,

it's, you know, there's the frog stuff, Maphrodites, fish, and frogs, and all this stuff about hormones in the water and birth control in the top water.

Why do you think everyone misquotes you, too?

I find it funny how everyone.

It actually makes me mad because I really know these people really, really well now.

And I know how hesitant all of them were to go on camera because they just get fucked with me all the time.

They take

even the fucking panty sniffing thing.

I think I'm just ahead of the curve.

That's pretty normal to me i'm like he's 12.

12 i would do people you should go to prison you're a rapist yeah what a fucking pervert we're normalizing those

limitations is up i'm gonna come arrest you myself

okay yeah the funny is jeremy and i read all the bad stuff which most people don't i actually kind of i love it i think it's kind of i think it's kind of funny um but yeah all you guys get misquoted or or like the girls always get like you know all the girls i mean they're in their 50s some are even older like alexandra i think just turned 60.

And these are still really beautiful women.

And they get them coming out of the grocery store in sweatpants.

They're like, oh, look what happened to so-and-so.

She looks terrible.

It's like,

you look like ass, too.

When you go to the, you know, it's like, and it's an unflattering photo.

And it's like, I don't care how good looking you are.

You can have an unflattering photo.

But the

tabloid media chooses who's going to be.

like the villain and who's going to be the prince or princess type thing.

It's whatever.

And they've chosen, for whatever reason, I feel it's like anyone that's gotten too much fame or validation for looking a certain way, they love to kick them off.

They did to Britney Spears.

I mean, it's like you build them up and then you kick them off.

For millions of years, you sacrifice the virgin to the volcano.

You put Jesus up on the cross, you build these people up in your own mind, you praise them and worship them, they're perfect, they're purity, and then let's smoke them.

You know, and that's how the entertainment industry used to be.

It's not that so much like that.

Well, no, it's different.

The media has been like bullied into saying, oh, you can't say that anymore.

But now it's the consumer that's the fucking asshole.

It's the

dude in his fucking basement.

Oh, Jeremy Jack, fuck him.

He looks terrible.

He's on fucking steroids.

Fuck him.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Fucking pervert.

His girlfriend's homeless.

It's all his fucking fault.

It used to chew me up.

Now it doesn't bother me.

Yeah, it used to bother me.

Now it's funny, like you said.

What can they say bad about you?

Mainly the guests I have on, but.

Yeah.

You had the Hoctui girl on.

I had her on.

I saw that.

I mean, Jeremy, you had to be on 11 years.

Yeah.

You had to be on TV for 11 years.

I had to struggle for five years.

She got to just spit on a penis and get on.

Yep.

Not even, she probably didn't even really, she probably doesn't even really do it.

She just said it.

Yeah, it's probably not, it's probably not even.

It's probably dry hand dry.

It's probably just.

Wait, is she of age?

She's old enough, right?

She is, right?

She has to be.

Okay, good.

Then I feel really good.

Then I'd be the fucking puppy.

So we won't get canceled.

No, okay, good.

It's all teeth.

I've been with the Haktua girl.

Yeah.

I'm kidding.

I'm just the technique, teeth.

These child stars, man, it could go either way.

Did you see what happened with Amanda Bynes?

Oh, man.

You know, I feel bad for her.

I used to see her at Equinox all the time, like in West Hollywood, and she was so cute and so fit and just so fucking talented.

And you just, you know, Britney Spears, same thing.

I mean, I saw, I mean, I did the video with her in, I think, 2004 or 2005.

I had a girlfriend that ended up being in rehab with her when she shaved her head.

So I was in promises watching my girlfriend at the time with Britney Spears.

So I was seeing the shaved head, the wig, all that kind of stuff.

And it's

fucking sad.

It's wild.

And

I think it's just, it's pressure from, I don't think you've ever had a proper nervous breakdown, you personally.

Maybe just no one was there to film it.

No, but I just, I think it's the pressure.

It's just like nervous breakdown.

Nerves don't break down, people break down.

Well, I think it's just they've

had just such traumatic energy.

It's just, if you're a kid, I mean, you know the pressure.

Yeah.

But imagine the pressure like of a Britney Spears or Manda Byzanta's pretty big guilty.

That's not too dissimilar from like Michael Jackson, you know?

I mean, what, Corey, isn't Corey Feldman doing the whole Michael Jackson thing right now?

You know, when

you are have to be this product or you have to be this package and the product and the package is dependent upon your livelihood and you can't do it enough.

You just want to become a different person.

And, you know, most of these really good entertainers, most of these highly gifted, highly talented people are doing it to win approval because inside they really hate themselves.

And if they get enough accolades outside themselves, they might like themselves more on the inside, which is of course an illusion and a fantasy.

It doesn't work.

But when you can't get enough, when that dwanes and dwindles and wanes, then you just want to emasculate yourself.

you know when you realize like a michael jackson sue everybody loves him bowing at his feet and he still wasn't happy because there's a couple people who talk bad about you you just it's it's a it's self-harm it's self-harm and self-soothing all at the same time you want to just become a different person on the outside and amanda bindes really made herself a different person she didn't no physically yes did you see the recent surgery crazy yeah it's like they almost don't want to be that person anymore and it doesn't doesn't matter what it is or like even if

you know, quote-unquote make themselves worse or a worse version of themselves to whatever the public wants because they get wrapped up in that childhood identity, right?

Absolutely.

I think

you want to get rid of your childhood identity forever.

Totally.

I mean, potentially, that's what my whole drug addiction, you know, running around with criminals and doing crime and just trying to sell drugs.

You want to be a bad street.

I wanted to just be the furthest thing away from a Hollywood pretty beach boy I possibly could.

You know, running around in the San Fernando Valley stealing cars is pretty far from that.

Did you get caught?

Not really, a couple times.

Statute of limitations.

I'd be under the jail if they caught me for all the stuff I've done.

Guys, it's been a blast.

Closing thoughts and where can people watch the show?

We're on Hulu

internationally starting September 19th.

And we've been on Hulu domestically since September 28th.

And then Disney Plus in every country that you don't have Hulu.

Boom.

There you go.

Closing thought.

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