Unlock Success: Avoid These Common Entrepreneurial Traps | Jen Cohen DSH #768

Have you ever used a therisage one?

It's a company that makes these mats.

I really love the company because they're very high quality.

It's you've got to be very careful

where you are sourcing a lot of these things.

My husband broke his back in his neck 10 months ago.

Yeah.

And he lied on that mat every single day for an hour.

He healed in record time.

You would never know in a million years that he had a broken neck.

That's all.

Yeah, it's insane.

All right, guys, got Jen Cohen on today, fellow podcaster, one of the biggest in the game.

Yeah, well, listen, you're not doing too bad yourself.

Yeah, I'm trying to keep up with you, Sean, really.

Yeah, it's a new era with these clips.

Oh, my God.

Your clips, though, your content creation is like next level.

I love it.

And I see why now.

This is a great space.

You have to be because everyone's attention span is so short that full podcasts are hard to promote these days.

It's so hard.

Like,

I just said before we started that I need some tips from from you in terms of like technology because you are like supposed to be the whiz in technology.

That's how I made my money.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Crypto though, right?

Crypto.

You ever get into crypto?

Not really, but a little.

Everything I have done, I just lost my money.

So yeah.

So I'm like, you know what?

I've learned to kind of not dabble in things I know nothing about.

That's how I get myself in trouble.

Yeah.

Right.

I went against my better judgment because I got basically pressured slash bullied into doing it.

And I kind of, I lost whatever I damn, what'd you buy?

Which coin?

I don't even remember.

I think I gave it to a financial advisor to do some stuff for me.

I don't know if it was crypt, it was definitely like Bitcoin, all that.

Like, I don't even understand the entire umbrella of all this stuff.

I know I lost a lot of money, though.

Whatever I put in, I lost.

It's good advice, though, in general, because every time I've dabbled, invested in restaurants, Forex, weird stuff, I've lost it too.

Well, that's the thing, right?

Like, you should be kind of like, I feel like a lot of times people put their energy, their money, their effort into areas they know nothing about.

And that's when they, when they get really killed.

So like one of my big, one of my big strategies or philosophies in life is to stick to what I know and do it really well.

And that way, I mean, you just, you kind of just, you up the game for your possibility of like not losing your shirt.

And that's what I do.

Right.

So how did you find out what you were really good at?

I think a lot of trial and error.

How does anybody find out, right?

I think it's kind of trial and error and self-awareness.

I think it's super important for people to have a little bit of self-awareness, actually, a lot of self-awareness,

and then kind of lean into what you're really good at as opposed to just what you, what your passion is.

I think that's a big mistake.

And for you, it's fitness and podcasting, right?

Yeah, you know what?

Fitness was actually the opposite.

Fitness to me was my passion.

It was a hobby.

And I did lean into it.

And I got to, I learned a lot about it.

But like anything, I actually ended up burning out in fitness.

Oh, wow.

So like anything, right?

Like you can burn out in anything.

And so what I did was I pivot, I learned early on how to pivot and change.

So I knew what I was good at through fitness.

It taught me a lot of life lessons that I was able to apply to whatever I wanted.

So it taught me a lot of what it meant to be disciplined about patience, about practice, all of these major like foundational life skills that really works in any area of your life and no matter what you do, right?

So if you want to be successful in anything, you have to have discipline.

You have to be patient.

You have to have strong work ethic.

Yeah.

Like in the fitness space as well, like it's consistency over time, right?

Like anything that you want to be good at requires consistency over time.

A lot of people, my generation, struggle with the patience.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

First of all, you're 27, right?

Yeah.

Your generation, the attention span is becoming less and less.

Like you would say, I was like, I have an attention span of a gnat.

I don't even know what's smaller than a gnat at this point, but

I believe this is a major problem what's happening in our society now.

The people, people don't want to work.

Their work ethic is really becoming stifled by boundaries and all of these other type of,

I don't know, colloquialism.

I think like, I don't know if it's more on the woke side.

I don't know where you stand with all this.

I'm pretty woke, i'd say you are pretty woke yeah okay well then you probably are a big person that believes in a lot of boundaries and balance and all of these things but like if you want to build anything does balance even actually exist don't you need to work hard and there's no such thing as like watching a clock and leaving at 5 p.m i don't know if that's possible yeah i don't believe in balance yeah you know like when i travel somewhere i'll i'll still work usually to be honest well you have i mean it depends like if you're trying to build something right right?

And if you're trying to like, if you have an ambitious goal that you're trying to get to, it's really hard to be balanced.

And listen, I'm telling you, I'm a mom of two kids.

I'm married.

I had all the things.

And people always say balance, balance, balance.

You know, there's going to be times in life where you're going to be like leaning in really hard in one area and kind of like sucking in another area.

100%.

Right.

That's just like that.

I believe that is actually honesty and like a truthism for the world right like I don't think you can have balance you can have you and I don't believe this whole idea of you can have it you can have it all yeah like right now you can have it all at different segments and increments of your life but depending on what you're really prioritizing is where your energy is going to go yeah I think it's important to communicate with your kids also because sometimes they feel neglected 100 that's a very good point exactly so there's a difference sean between balance and guilt, right?

Because

the imbalance of life can then really spawn on a lot of guilt as a parent, right?

Because if you are building something or there's times in my life anywhere, anyway, when I have to travel a lot and do certain things, because life is also about momentum, right?

Like, you know, something in motion stays in motion.

So if you're somebody who is an opportunist in a good way, I think being an opportunist is not necessarily a negative connotation.

It's always a negative thing towards that.

But I think if you are someone who is an opportunist and takes advantage of opportunity and seizes those opportunities, you've got to ride that wave of momentum, which then can take you away from home, away from your kids for a longer period of time than you want.

Then guilt becomes a thing.

So a really big thing is, I believe you're right, which is having conversation, being upfront, honest, having conversations, and talking to your kids.

Right.

Really important.

I used to feel a ton of guilt the first few years of my relationship, actually, from working too much.

Really?

What?

Do you have kids?

No, but fiancé, we're getting married next year.

Okay.

But with my fiancé, I just felt so guilty because I work seven days a week the first five years.

Really?

Yeah.

And what do you do now?

What is your schedule?

Now I work like five a week, but just communicating that I was doing this for us, it was, you know, it's tough dating an entrepreneur.

It is tough dating an entrepreneur.

I think dating

a real entrepreneur, because there's no such thing as a clock, right?

Like it's around the clock.

Every problem is yours.

Every victory is yours.

Everything belongs.

You eat what you kill.

You kill what you eat.

It's really difficult.

That's why a lot of times like entrepreneurs date other entrepreneurs, right?

And then you both like are doing the grind, which is, by the way, not the greatest thing for other reasons, right?

Nice to have like some, like, you know, to have like some kind of ebb and flow in the relationship.

Yeah, that was our biggest argument, though, for years.

I can imagine.

Because I felt like I was doing it for us, but she wanted physical time, you know, action.

So what did you do?

What was it?

What was a compromise eventually?

Once I built up a safety net financially, then I could take some more time off.

So what does she do?

What is your she helps with the podcast now?

Oh, she does?

Yeah, but originally she was in med school.

She's going to become a doctor.

And now she's not doing that?

She didn't do it.

She didn't like it.

Oh, she didn't like it.

Okay.

It wasn't because of your schedule or your business.

Okay.

Plus the debt and the time.

She would have had to dedicate 10 years

of her prime years to pursuing that path.

But she didn't like the, did she not like just the schedule or did she not like what she was learning?

Did she not think the actual curriculum was for her?

Yeah, I think both because we're very holistic, actually.

And what they teach in med school is not that.

No, it's East.

It's Western.

It's a very different thing.

And it's crazy because I grew up like really respecting doctors and like trusting all their advice, but now I'm complete opposite.

Really?

I'm totally Eastern and holistic now.

So give me an example.

Like I won't, like I used to be on Xanax.

Right.

I would never take that again.

So how did you wean yourself off?

And what are you taking instead?

Well, that was terrible.

I actually had a seizure coming off of that and almost died.

So I was on that for two months in college.

Literally, the doctor gave it to me the first day I met him.

I said I had anxiety and that's how easy it was.

Totally.

But now I just fix my deficiencies.

So I'll get a blood test every year, fix my deficiencies, and I don't need any antidepressants or anxiety medication.

Well, first of all, the best antidepressant on the planet is, I'm sure you've heard this before, it's exercise, right?

Like changing your, it's the best way to change your mood in two seconds, right?

Sweating, changing your environment, getting your endorphins going.

Best thing you can do.

Did you, do you exercise?

Yeah, so that's probably a big part of the reason I had it because I wasn't at the time.

But now I sauna three times a week, play basketball twice a week.

Wow, so you did a whole lifestyle shift.

Yeah, I haven't had a panic attack since like maybe four years ago.

I used to get them all the time.

See, what's so horrible to me, and I hear this all the time, is

the first thing doctors go to is how can I band-aid this problem?

Like, oh, like, and also there's no way to actually even like check to see if someone's even legitimately

has depression or has clinically whatever anxiety.

It's just like someone can just walk in and be like, hey, I have ADD.

And then the doctor will just prescribe Adderall or whatever it is, right?

Yeah.

And then by the way, kids are like selling it to other students because it's like a whole business.

It's a huge market.

But I think that there's such,

I don't know, I find that to be just not just horrible in terms of like getting kids at an early age addicted to something like that, like, but it's just so irresponsible in every way.

Like you are fine now.

Like you said, you just changed your lifestyle and now you're what?

A better, you're fine.

I'm way healthier.

I feel feel better i'm not relying on medication see what's so gross is the doctor didn't even give you that as an alternative to start with they should have said you know what i mean like danny didn't say any side effects when i was getting it

isn't that crazy yeah he just gave me it and what i mean he probably also gave you like a big like quite a big dose it was pretty big and you have to take more and more as you get yeah yeah so i was up to like a big amount within a couple months.

Were you taking anything else or is that the only thing you were taking?

Danny gave me clonozepam.

Really?

I think he started on that and Xanax.

Yeah, I was taking both.

It was crazy.

Weren't you just like a walking zombie?

Dude, I had no emotion.

I literally blacked out for a month.

I don't remember a month of college.

Wow.

Yeah.

And was your are your friend?

Were your friends on the same type of cocktail?

They were mostly on Adderall because they were studying, but I didn't care about school, so I wasn't on Adderall.

Did you do well in school at all?

Hell no.

No, I was busy working.

See, see, that's it.

You're basically

confirming my hypothesis in life, which is, you know, academics can only really only get you so far if you want to be like a doctor, like your fiancé or a lawyer.

But like real life gets you way like being super bold and kind of having grit and tenacity will get you way further every time.

Absolutely.

Have you talked to your kids about this?

Because their friends probably want to go to college, right?

Absolutely.

Listen, don't get me wrong.

Do I think college has a lot of great benefits?

It does.

And do I want my kids to go to college?

Absolutely.

The socialization you get

from college,

it's unbeatable.

Your network, how you learn to think in different ways.

But I think if you can give it a one, two punch with tenacity, grit, boldness,

all those things, then

now we're talking, right?

But if you're only somebody who's solely studying the academics, yes, like I said, if you want to be an accountant, a doctor, a lawyer, all the power to you.

That's the path.

But if you want to be an entrepreneur, if you want to have all these other different ancillary careers, by the way, you have to learn all these other foundational life skills.

And the problem is school does not teach you those things.

Like school should be teaching, I believe, should be teaching how to be, how to like do your finances, how to socialize, how to negotiate, things that actually are helpful in real life.

But

our school system is so archaic and old, and we're just doing what we've always done.

And it has not kept up with the times, right?

Like, we are not living the same way we lived 50 years ago.

No.

Right?

Not even 30 years ago.

In fact, not even like 15 years ago.

That was before the iPhone, yeah.

Before the iPhone, before, like, you know, what social media started in what, 2015-ish?

Yeah, I was in high school, yeah, 14, 15.

Right.

And that has been one of the biggest juggernauts of our time.

Life is not the same ever since.

And by the way, for good and a lot of bad, right?

A lot of bad.

So all these life skills that we learned when I was small,

we're not getting that.

We're not playing outside as much.

We're not socializing as much.

We're not dating as much.

We're not having sex as much.

Everything that was kind of helping us basically mold and become like a productive adult has now declined in every area because of social media.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The sex stuff is crazy.

I think like a third of guys are virgins, 25.

People are like, guys are just not, guys are not having, like, they're not, no one, I guess, guys, girls are not having sex anymore.

It's unbelievable.

People would rather, guys would rather watch porn or, and because porn has now like reframed and shifted the neurotransmitters in your brain.

having actual sex with someone else, a partner, is actually boring and not that stimulating Wow.

A lot of times for a guy's because they're so used to like next level crazy shit that they're saying, right?

Yeah.

On porn hub.

Pornhub is like ruined, ruined dating for the masses.

Dang.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

I cut porn a few years ago.

You what?

I cut it out.

Well, were you like addicted to porn?

Depends on what you mean by addicted, but okay, what was your hourly consumption daily?

I'd say two to three a week in my high school, college days, two to three times a week.

How many, like hourly?

How many hours?

No, like

the videos are like 10 minutes.

So you would do how many

videos would you watch?

Just one.

Okay.

But you would do it like consistently, it's basically.

Yeah, two to three times a week.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, I mean, this is my point.

I mean, I think that there's this to me is

you have to figure out ways to kind of even set timers or clocks or whatever to limit the amount of time that you are scrolling on social media, watching Pornhub, all of these things, because you're becoming some not you, but men, women, people are becoming like zombies in real life and unable to communicate and connect and have like light, like have an actual life in real time.

Everything is just how many likes, how many, how many comments, how much engagement, and that you're comparing yourself to all these other

other, like, I don't even know what you would call it.

People, I guess.

Not people, but like, no one that you even actually look, no one that you're really looking at is even who they think they're looking at, right?

Yeah, you're putting on a show on your Instagram for sure.

Yeah, you know, have you, do you know, Chris, do you, do you know the whole Chris Rock thing about, you know, it's like your sales rep that's out there representing you when you go on a date?

Like you put your best foot forward, you're putting your sales rep on.

It's the same thing with like social media.

You're just putting the highlights of who you are, your life.

No one's putting the shit on social media.

Like They're not.

And if they are, if they are, it's because it's really good for the algorithm.

Either you're a total train wreck or you're living a beautiful life with a beautiful plane in a beautiful island.

It's like, there's like the pet, there's just, there's two sides to it, right?

And then everything in between is kind of like,

no one cares.

What do you think of Twitter announcing that porn's allowed on the platform?

I can't believe it.

Can you believe it?

I was surprised.

I mean, are you surprised?

Elon Musk is like out of control.

I think he wants more users.

So I think he's willing to test different things.

He just hid likes too.

Did you see that?

No, I didn't see that.

So now when you go on someone's tweet, it still says the likes, but you can't click on it and see who liked it.

So the number of likes and engagement has gone up a lot.

So he's basically using the Instagram model, the TikTok, like he's basically turning Twitter into Instagram.

Yeah, Instagram, you could hide likes, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can do all that stuff.

Listen, it like what it plummeted when he took over, right?

And he's going to do whatever he can.

He's smart, though, obviously.

He's going to figure it out and he's going to probably like surpass even what Instagram is doing.

That's my take.

That's what I think is going to happen.

Maybe not right now, but soon.

The full podcast on Twitter get millions of views, actually.

Really?

Yeah.

People are posting their full episodes there and it's pretty insane.

The whole episode?

Yeah.

All the political episodes get 10.

I mean, Tucker's getting so many views.

It's crazy.

Well, how, wait, so how long are you able to do that on Twitter?

There's no limit.

So Instagram limits you to like a minute 30, right?

Yeah.

So on Twitter, you could post the whole thing.

Like Logan Paul just interviewed Donald Trump, posted the whole episode on Twitter.

Already had 5 million views this morning.

Really?

Yeah, that's more than it's YouTube.

Holy, that's crazy.

Yeah, so I'm going to start doing that and see what happens.

By the way, I just learned something from you right now.

This is why I wanted to

come see you and do your podcast.

Yeah, you got to be on top of stuff.

Listen, it's much easier when you're 27 with no kids and this is what your job is.

Like you, it's easier for a 27-year-old brain to consume and understand and know all of what's happening versus someone like me who does have the kids and has all these things and and not like

on top of it like that that's why i need to befriend people like you i love it how old were you when you had the kids how old was i i was like 33.

oh so you waited yeah is that waiting i guess so i guess it depends because

yeah i guess that's true i didn't want to have i was too busy in my 20s you do you want to have kids now yeah that's i was gonna ask you like what age do you recommend people typically?

I would say wait till you're like in your 30s.

Okay.

Because you want to live, you want to try to get as much accomplished as possible in your 20s, I would think.

Listen, there's two different traits.

There's actually different rules of thought here.

Some would like to be like a young mom, young dad, and then like when you then basically have your kids when you're when your kids are older, you're a young parent, right?

However, I do believe that you kind of like not stunt, but a lot of the things that you, a lot of the experiences that you get from your 20s, even in your early 30s, then kind of just don't,

you're kind of unable to

have them, right?

Because you have responsibility, you've got kids.

So I would say, if I were you, what I wanted to do is I wanted to kind of be as crazy and as selfish and

do as much as I can at that age because it gives you a lot of

ammunition for later on to do other things in your 30s and 40s.

There's both ways of looking at it.

Apparently you've made your decision though.

You want to do that.

I was thinking 30.

30 is a good age.

Yeah, because like you said, 20s, good time to travel, network, build a valuable community.

Yeah, building a community, travel, networking, and just, and like we were saying earlier,

the imbalance of what happens when you're building something is out,

a lot of hours.

And you don't have that same kind of like,

your,

I guess your energy energy is so much bigger and better when you're younger than when you're older.

Yeah, that's something I'm trying to prepare for now.

I'm getting all these health tests done.

Yeah.

Sound very preventative.

Good.

You have to be.

You have to be, yeah.

It's also, it's not just eating properly.

It's also, it's also, of course, eating, lifestyle, sleep is massive.

What else are you doing?

The sauna, you said?

Infrared sauna.

I started doing PEMF mats for radiation.

How often are you doing that?

Two to three times a week.

Have you ever used a therisage one?

No.

It's very good.

What is that?

It's great.

They have one of these mats.

It's a company that makes these mats, but it's a very good.

I really love the company because they're very high quality.

It's actually, you've got to be very careful

where you are sourcing a lot of these things.

Like red light is very important to have a proper, a good source.

So I just like this company.

They call it Therasage.

And I know

I trust the people behind it.

I know the quality is exceptional.

I use their mat.

It's very great.

Okay, I'll look into that.

My husband broke his back and his neck.

Holy crap.

Yeah, 10 months ago.

Yeah.

And he lied on that mat every single day for an hour.

And I like he he's he healed in record time.

Dang.

Yeah.

And is like back to it.

You would never know in a million years that he had a broken neck or

his back.

And like, yeah, it's insane.

It's insane.

I'm definitely going to buy one for the house.

I'm saying not only the mat, but like, it's, he actually caught caught himself.

They put him on when he

his injuries for the neck and back were

he it's amazing that he walked away alive.

Like almost, not even almost, nobody walks away alive from the accident he had.

Nobody.

In fact, do you know, do you remember Christopher Reeves, you know, Superman?

Was that the guy?

Did he jump off this?

No, he fell off a, he fell off a horse.

Oh.

And he became, uh, he, he became paralyzed.

Okay.

And now has to like, he's like talking from a

he's became paralyzed.

Um, and the accident my husband had was like 10 times as bad.

Whoa, yeah, so nobody walks away from this accident.

Holy crap, so he was paralyzed.

My husband was not paralyzed, he walked away from the accident.

Not only did he walk away from the accident, he walked himself into the emergency room and he took his bike, he flipped over the handlebars,

uh, broke his C, it cracked his C actually broke his C1 and all of all his um all his back muscles.

and uh then instead of getting airlifted out of the out of the park that he was in or the mountains that he was in he then hiked nine miles by himself with a bike on him and walked himself into the hospital and yeah insane like and then the first hospital didn't have the machine that that they that he needed so they went to another emergency room fucking nuts he walked yeah walked walked himself in and the and the point that i'm yeah it's insane to me.

But

he got himself, the second he got out of the hospital, you know, they gave him crazy pain meds.

He took himself off the pain meds and only did holistic stuff to heal himself.

He used like tuning forks for sound, you know, tuning forks.

I've heard of them.

Yeah, for sound.

He did like Reiki healing.

He did this.

He lied on that.

He did this PMF mat.

He did this red light.

Therasaz also has an amazing red light.

It's called a tri-light.

It's great.

And he healed himself in record time.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Yeah, I could see that.

Yeah, I'm doing that.

I'm doing oxygen therapy.

I just started that.

Where are you doing like the hype?

The hyperbole?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's good.

Yeah.

Do you find a difference?

I just started.

The reason I'm doing it is because I got a brain scan with Dr.

Amon.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

Did you like what happened?

What did he say?

So I had autism, ADHD.

I had

traumatic brain injury in the front and back of my head and childhood trauma.

So he said the oxygen therapy helps with the TBI.

So, wait a second.

Dr.

Amon said that you have autism in your brain?

It wasn't him, it was Dr.

Stephen Storage.

They can't diagnose you, but he said based off what he saw, there was a really good chance.

Plus, I have a family history of it.

Really?

What did they see that would connect that to autism?

It was specific parts of my brain that were,

there was something on the scan that indicated it.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

And so, what did they say to do besides the hyperbaric chamber?

Hit workout three to four times a week.

Okay.

Sauna.

There's detoxification.

Yeah.

Okay.

There's this one thing.

I think it's called a muse.

You wear it.

It's a neurofeedback machine.

I know what that is.

You say to do that, and then a couple supplements for the brain.

Which ones did he give you?

It was on his site.

I bought them both and I've been taking them.

I feel better, though.

Have you ever heard of NAD?

Yes.

I take that.

I take NAD.

Yeah.

Which one do you take?

I don't know.

It's in like a pill.

I don't know what brand it is.

Okay.

NR is what you should be taking.

NR.

NR.

Okay.

Because NAD, like again, like anything else, don't be just because something has the name that you're familiar with doesn't mean it's actually the best grade of something.

It's the best source of something.

It's just as important not just to over supplement.

That's the first thing.

People are over supplementing, which sounds to me that you're actually supplementing what you're deficient in and what you actually need, which is so important.

But the other thing is to know where the sources of those supplementation or supplements are coming from.

Yeah, I'll look into NR.

Yeah.

Does that help with the brain health?

Yeah, it helps with energy recovery.

And the only people that make NR is a company called TrueNIGEN.

Oh, I've heard of them.

I have some of their products, I think.

Well, that's like the reason why they're so good is that's all they make is true, is this NR.

They're actually coming out in August with an NRIV, which is going to be, it's basically pharmaceutical grade.

Like, you know, you can go get an NAD, NAD IV, right?

If you know about this, yeah yeah okay they're coming up with this one called nr which is a highly potent pharmaceutical grade

no like kind of like kind of no

it's not it's it's not um what do you call it a lot of these things are watered down so it's basically just a potent nr that's exciting it is i think no i really think you could reverse age these days well you can definitely extend it yeah yeah well i got a test on my biological age what is it 21 yeah but you're 27.

i mean like what are you going to get down to?

Like four?

I mean, it's not that impressive, you know?

Like, if I, it's for someone like me, it's impressive.

You know, Dave Asprey and Sinclair are 20 years under their chronological age.

Have you seen the, have you seen the actual documentation that proves that?

I don't know if they publicized it, but Brian Johnson has publicized it, and he's aging at 0.64 every year, just announced.

I know.

That guy, though, is doing crazy shit.

Like, I would think just in its

stress of just doing that, routine and regiment would just give me like agita.

And I would die off of just like the ageda and anxiety of just keeping up with it.

Like to me, this is the problem.

Like we're becoming so obsessed with like tracking everything and doing everything that we are, we don't even need to be doing this amount of

work to be healthy.

I mean, I think the basics truthfully are the things that work the most.

And then you can only, you're like adding a 0.000001%

maybe by doing all these other accoutrements.

But we drive ourselves crazy, bat chick crazy by just trying to do what everything, all these influencers and what all these other like longevity experts are telling us to do.

That the stress of that is actually making us more sick physically and mentally.

Yeah, there's levels to it.

So I sent my blood results to nine different doctors because I wanted to get different opinions.

Okay.

And one of them told me to do urine therapy.

Oh, is that when you're drinking your own urine?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a big one, also.

Have you done it?

I didn't try it, but there's some really interesting studies on it, actually.

Really?

What is the site?

In what world are you going to do that?

If I live in India, probably, because a lot of Indian people do it.

Can I tell you something?

A lot of like Western civilization people, I bet you Brian Johnson is drinking his own urine.

He might have tried it.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did it.

I'm sure David Dave Asprey is doing it.

He just made a video about it.

Yeah.

He just made a video about it.

How do you remember all this?

I don't know.

Are you watching social media all day, all night?

I only watch it to find guests.

But you're retaining everything that a lot of the stuff that you see.

Yeah, I am.

I've had on 850 guests.

I remember everyone's name.

Are you serious?

Yeah, every single person.

So what I find so interesting is

this may be an age thing or maybe you're on a supplement or I should go see Dr.

Eamon.

But like, the truth is, like, I see something and because of my retention from just too much information, in in one ear, out the other.

And you're actually retaining so much of what you're seeing.

Whatever I focus on, I'd say I can retain pretty well.

So let's get back to this urine for a second.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you saw that he made a video on it.

Okay, great.

Is that something like all these things that we're talking about, right?

All of these.

like all of all of these different therapies or whatever urine therapy whatever you want to call it unless you do anything all the time consistently, what will it actually do for you?

Are you planning on drinking your own pee on a weekly basis?

I haven't, I have, that one hasn't sold me yet, but I am doing the PMF, oxygen, and red light every week.

But that's easy to implement.

So to me, that's what I was saying earlier.

Like to me, to lie on a mat for whatever, as you're working or when you go to bed, that's like, there's like, there's, there's, the lift on that is so easy, right?

Red light, same thing.

Sauna, it's, it feels good.

it's great for detoxification, it's all the things.

Now we're getting into an area like the urine therapy that is just like, really, like, do you really need to drink your pea?

Yeah, to be healthy, yeah.

You know, like, that's a tough one.

You know what they're doing now?

Like, if you go to Europe, okay,

you will never see what you see on the Western, in the Western, like, Western world, right?

Like, you're not going to see it.

Like, if you go to Europe, you're not going to see a meditation studio on every corner,

a CrossFit on every corner, a sauna room, assault room.

Like, you just like have the basics of living your life, right?

Like, all of these things are so Western people.

Like, these are things, by the way, I think that we should be doing, we should be living healthfully and

doing basic habits daily, regardless of it being a service.

The West has just made all of these things like a service, providing service for people to make money.

And it's become like

a money grab, right?

It hasn't,

these are not things that are absolutely necessary and vital to someone's health.

It's just a way to make money.

That's why it's become a trillion-dollar industry.

I mean, I can't stress this enough.

Like, you do not have to drink pea and sit in a salt room and do all of these things to live your best life and to live to 150.

I promise you.

And I will also say, you know, irony and like, you know, God has a funny way of of

laughing, but someone like a Brian Johnson, who wants to live to 150, he'll probably drop dead at like 70 or 55 because he's trying so hard.

Like, look at the people who, you know, basically smoke crack and smoke three packs of cigarettes a day and they're living till 100.

Right.

Right.

Like, we don't know what, we don't know what we don't know.

The best things I, if I can just give you what I think we should do, we should get a genetic test to see what, like, to see where our baseline is, right?

And then from there, you'll also find your deficiencies, your not whatever, and then supplement on those deficiencies.

And then also, like, use common sense.

Common sense isn't that common, I know, but if we like eat well and clean, as clean as we can with the 80-20 rule and exercise four to five times a week with cardio, yes, I'm sorry to tell people, cardio is good, and strength training, you know, I think you're like 90% there.

You know, then you can add in your sauna and your cold plunge and you know all these other accoutrements agreed those are not going to keep you healthy if you're not doing all the other things that are important yeah people are focusing on the wrong things for sure and the number one thing the biggest epidemic in the world is loneliness

right that's the number one epidemic so you could be doing all these other things to be healthy but yet be alone and have no relationships no friendships and guess what that's the worst thing you can do for your health.

I agree because I've been lonely.

And I'm interviewing Brian next month, and I'm actually going to ask him about that because he sleeps alone on purpose.

Brian Johnson does.

Yeah, because it affects his sleep scores if he sleeps with someone.

You know, it's funny that you just mentioned that because, again, he's tracking everything.

I'm telling you, he's going to die of the anxiety of just

tracking everything.

But human touch is way higher

on the level of wellness in terms of your personal satiation, your mental health, your emotional health, than having

an hour less or more of sleep.

I'd rather sleep with someone and have like and get all those other

endorphins and

everything else that comes from that than being alone and living that way.

Wouldn't it you?

Yeah, I know he's getting 100 sleep scores and like, yeah, he's gotten that four months straight, but at what cost, right?

Yeah, at what cost?

Like, is he even having sex?

Like, I don't know.

I bet you he's not having sex.

I'm going to ask him.

I mean, that's probably going to be my first question to start off things.

Listen,

I think this also, you've had, what, 850 guests on this podcast?

Yeah.

I've had, what, 600?

I've had a lot as well.

And I think that

when you really meet people in person versus what you see online or what you think they are, there's usually

a disconnect.

Yeah, right.

Agreed.

A main discussion, a major disconnect.

I felt that way with Grant Cardone.

Yeah.

And what way did you felt in that that way?

Well, he gets a lot of hate.

Yeah.

I heard he's a nice guy.

So nice.

I was like shocked.

So that's funny that you, yeah, because I hear from everybody who actually met him or knows him that he's actually a really like decent, nice person and very friendly and very kind.

Right.

But yeah, people think it's a douchebag.

Basically,

that's why I'm so careful with like going into an interview, trying not to have personal bias of what I've seen online.

And a lot of times the people that you think are going to be these amazing and nice and kind and humble and are like the complete opposite of that.

That's happened a few times.

Right?

It happens all the time.

That's why like I never take anything really at what I take it what I don't take whatever I see online at value.

You know, it's always with a grain of salt.

But like I was saying, a lot of these people who are over the top with trying to be healthy and live forever, I meet them in person and I'm like, actually, I feel sorry for them.

Because their life is so,

it's so myopic and so tunnel vision and they're forgetting all the fundamentals of what actually what makes people happy like at the end of the day you know what success is success is if you're happy are you happy like are you happy at the end do you like doing what you're doing are you happy doing it with the people you're doing it with right like if you don't even have those things and you're just like on this mission to you know to to go on that sauna for 30 minutes and work out for an hour and a half and do all these and like you're like a robot, you're like missing what the meaning of life is anyway.

Right.

In that way, I think there is something called balance.

Absolutely.

Right.

I think there's where you find balance or kind of having the wherewithal and the self-awareness to know personal relationships are really important and actually should be superseded and prioritized.

over a lot of these other things, you know?

Super important.

When I was depressed, I had no one to talk to.

I was alone, like alone pretty much and i had no relationships and so when when did you meet your fiancé we met right after that honestly and then i started making friends but yeah even though i was making money i was alone so i was actually depressed with money yeah well that's exactly well just because someone has money doesn't mean that that's going to bring happiness it's just someone who's it's money all money does is exacerbate whoever you are anyway right so if you are somebody who's prone to loneliness and depression and you now you have money you're probably going to be the same person just with a bigger bank.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, for sure.

That doesn't really bring, that doesn't really bring happiness.

Yeah, I'm glad I learned that early because a lot of people learn that one late.

I know.

You seem to be learning a lot of lessons early on.

Like you have to be, you seem to be like a,

you seem to have like a, like an old soul a little bit.

Yeah, I think I do.

I take something from every guest too and I implement it right away in my life.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

What are you going to take from this?

Probably the PEMF mat.

I'm going to buy that when I get home.

Good.

You should.

Yeah.

You should definitely buy it.

That's the only thing that you took from that.

No, no, no, no.

Having kids at 30s, I'm going to double down on that too.

Okay, double down on that too.

Okay.

And I won't drink my urine.

Oh, okay, good.

Yeah.

Well, listen, you could try drinking your urine.

I can promise you it's not going to be as good as having like a, I don't know, a cold brew.

Right.

Yeah, I agree.

All right.

That was a fun episode.

Anything you want to promote or close off with?

Yes, I do.

I want to promote my book, Bigger, Better, Bolder.

And that's basically all.

Cool.

What's the book about?

It's about being bold.

It's about asking for what you want in life and

not just taking what you get.

See,

the whole thing I talk about is this chase what you want, don't just take what you get.

Because most people acquiesce to what's in front of them and just accept good enough.

And so I did a TED Talk that went viral about this idea.

It's called the 10% Target.

And the idea is that you make 10 attempts at whatever you want most.

And one of two things happen.

Either you get that thing, that opportunity or another opportunity will present itself that you never even knew existed because you went down that path and in the process of doing this you also get much more comfortable with failure which then helps build your resilience

so yeah so that's that's basically what the book is it's about really teaching people how to really ask for what they want and to build the courage and the breath the the get to become brave enough to put themselves out there and not let their self-doubt stand in the way.

Brilliant.

We'll link the Amazon below.

Thanks so much for coming on.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for watching, guys.

See you tomorrow.