Morgan & Morgan's Game-Changing Legal Marketing Tactics | Dan Morgan DSH #754

or something ridiculous.

He was at a game.

The guy actually said a racial comment to Bradley about a bet that he lost.

Bradley looked at the guy and flipped his hat off.

And then two days later, you know, the police were calling saying Bradley's wanted for assault.

The whole civil lawsuit was drafted.

And so I was on the front lines of that for a little bit.

And then I, you know, once we got the civil thing resolved, then I passed it off to the best criminal guy in town.

And then from what I understand, it's all been put to bed now.

All right, guys, got Dan Morgan here from Morgan and Morgan.

Welcome to the show, man.

Hey, thanks for having me.

Yeah, is this your first podcast?

I've done a few podcasts before.

I'm not the first one in person, though.

It's the first, baby.

We're out here in Vegas.

UFC is a client.

Correct.

Yep.

I'm out here in Vegas.

I was filming commercials at the Apex Center.

You know, there was some of the fighters for some content we got coming out.

So, yeah, UFC is, they're not a client, they're a partner.

Yeah.

And you guys have revolutionized the marketing industry on the legal side of things.

Yeah, I mean, we've been really trying to push it ever since, you know, my dad was, he went on TV in 1988.

He was one of the first attorneys to go on TV,

at least in Florida.

There's some people out west that were doing already, which he saw.

So he kind of brought it there.

But ever since then, we've always kind of been trying to push it to do new and exciting things, whether it be sports or influencers and now obviously social media.

You see probably tons of different lawyers on there now

that are in your feed.

So we definitely try to keep things interesting and go where the eyeballs are.

Yeah, you guys even sponsor podcasts I saw.

Oh, lots of podcasts.

Yeah.

Maybe yours soon.

Yeah.

No, it's cool, though, because I don't see any other law firms doing that, honestly.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's kind of me and my team when we kind of were starting to look at where the eyeballs were and really where our people were going.

You know, you can only have so many commercials on TV.

And even now, I was thinking when I'm watching TV, I'm watching TV like this, scrolling and looking.

So even when you're not hitting them there, you can be hitting them here.

Facts.

So, yeah, I mean, it's been, it's definitely where I think everyone's going is more of that social media and podcast.

And when you get the actual readers and the people to do it live in it, like we have like Theo Vaughn and Tim Dylan and, you know, Bobby Lee and these guys that have like kind of cult followings, their fans hear them vouching for us, saying our name, saying how good we are.

They're obviously going to come into the fold as well.

And those guys are great too, you know, personally as well.

So that's how it all kind of started.

I was friends with Theo, wanted to get in the mix to test some podcast sponsorships.

We tested it, saw a huge spike in cases.

And then we're like, let's start doing this with more people.

We did Barstool.

Yeah, so we've been definitely been leaning into that space a lot.

That's huge.

And your onboarding process is insane.

So basically, people just download an app and they can have a lawyer ready, right?

Pretty much.

Yeah, we try to make it as easy as possible.

That's our, you know, that's our slogan.

You know, it's it's easy but yeah essentially you know you can call we have pound law so pound five five two nine from your cell phone you can call that you can sign up but yeah you go online and we i think it's eight clicks or less uh wow we can get you signed up obviously you have to have a case and be verified um you know sometimes you get people that are making up facts and you have to clear clear clear those out but yeah for the most part uh you can get signed up really quick and that's important especially in our cases because say uh you're not representing an insurance company calls you you can sign something real quick and all of a sudden you know you just lost out on everything not realizing what exactly you were signing.

So we definitely try to get the client sign up quick and let the insurance company know, stop talking to our clients.

You got to talk to us now.

Yeah.

And how do you feel about insurance companies overall?

I mean, it's a necessary evil, I guess.

I mean, they're definitely

doing what

needs to be done as far as providing the compensation, things like that.

However, the way they go about it typically aren't, you know, they really nickel and dime and delay, delay, delay,

righteous claims too.

You I think there's times all, there's, there's all the time really where we know, hey, client has 100,000 in medical bills.

There's a $100,000 policy, and the insurance company will be like, all right, we'll offer you $40,000.

Yeah.

You know, and then kind of you're, they're always just, you know, you guys can go negotiate your medical bills, get those low, or they always just deny, deny, deny, and pay as low as possible.

And I read an article that Warren Buffett put out.

You know, he's the owner of Geico, Berkshire Hat.

Oh, he is?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Geico is Warren Buffett.

So that's a lot of where the money comes from.

But yeah, so pretty much his

paper to his executives was pretty much, the longer we

don't pay these claims, we take all that money that should be paid out, we can put that into the market, make the interest on it.

And then if the lawsuit takes three or four years to play out, even though that money is paid,

we can ride the market for four years.

And then once we do pay the client, we at least made 8% on our money.

So it's kind of that game delay as long as possible.

And even now, I have

I had a verdict for 2.6 million, like three years ago.

They appealed it.

They lost the appeal.

They still have the 2.6 million.

And progressives are like, hey, we'll pay you $100,000.

Jeez, even though the verdicts happen and they're still just appealing it, denying it.

And yeah, I mean, eventually, in the OS fees and costs and everything, so you have to keep going through these processes because even when you get a verdict or even when they know they're supposed to pay, they still say no, you know, pretty much make me.

That's crazy.

So you could get a verdict for 10 million and they'll just take like five, 10 years to pay.

Oh, all the time.

Yeah, exactly.

And sometimes you'll get a verdict for 10 million and they'll say, all right, we'll pay you five now.

And you're like, no.

And you're like, all right, well, you know, tell your client to enjoy the three-year appeal process.

They're never going to see it.

Holy crap.

If you have an old client, you know, you could have someone in their 90s.

They don't really have that time.

So you got to just kind of do what you do.

You have clients sometime that know that.

They're like, listen, I know I have this great judgment, but I just want this done today.

I'm getting X amount of my pocket to just get it done.

And the insurance company know that, too.

So they know like, hey, there's a person on the other side of this that really needs that money.

They'll eventually take a 50% discount to get it in their pocket today, especially if they have bills at home and things like that.

front burner issues that they got to handle.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that must be frustrating for you guys because you guys have won some huge settlements.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, we've recovered over, I think now our numbers, somewhere around $24 billion

since inception.

Yeah.

So that's like 30 years.

That's yeah, we did 3 billion last year and we're already over two this year.

That's insane.

Yeah.

Do you ever expect it to get like this?

Like, I mean,

again, my dad started, so it was actually started in 88.

I was born in 89.

So I've seen the rise the whole way from Orlando.

Then we went to Tampa, then Jacksonville, and then Atlanta.

That was our first out-of-state.

So my dad's slogan is grow or die.

So he always wants to be improving and growing and getting bigger.

I don't want to say I didn't see it coming, but it was also pretty humbling and amazing to see it all come into kind of fruition.

Right.

Do you target the major cities?

Is that how the growth works?

Exactly.

Yeah.

So, you know, it started off in Florida and we went to Atlanta.

And then we started going up the East Coast.

Really kind of it's easier to leapfrog to places where people already kind of know you.

So we did a New England area.

We went to Philly, New York, Boston.

kind of DC.

And then about six years ago, we made the big hop across to LA.

Now we're in LA, Vegas, Arizona.

So, yeah, we definitely go to the higher

popular cities.

We also look at the laws of the state.

So, you know, there's certain states that have terrible laws for attorneys as far as caps.

You know, Vegas, for instance, is one of the worst for medical malpractice.

There's really bad caps.

So even if

you die, you're at a certain threshold limit.

You can't recover more than X.

And certain states have that.

For instance, in Florida, if you get hit by a city bus, you're capped at $200,000 no matter what.

In California, if you're hit by a city bus, it's unlimited money.

Holy crap.

There's no caps, and you're suing the state of California.

So there's like, yeah, I'd rather be in a state like California with great plaintiff laws

than a state like, you know, Florida has decent plaintiff laws.

We just got hit with bad tort reform

where they came in and they tried to gut it and really deny rights to our clients and medical bills and things like that, which insurance companies always do and they're going into legislation and fighting for more rights for them, less rights for the people.

But yeah, we look at good, good jurisdictions, good markets.

You know, Chicago's one that's really big.

We're not there yet.

We're probably going to be there soon.

Texas, we've been growing.

Michigan, we opened two years ago.

Detroit has some of the best plaintiff laws in America.

So once we saw they changed those laws, we went up there and been growing.

We have like six attorneys now, I think, or five attorneys in Detroit.

Nice.

Do you have a minimum case value you'll take?

No.

I mean, for the most part, it has to be a valid case, but we don't look at it and say, hey, you know, there's a lot of lawyers that say there's not enough property damage or the client only went to the chiropractor.

Right.

You know, if there's an injury and they were hurt and there was medical bills and it wasn't their fault, we'll definitely take that case.

Got it.

So there's no minimum, wow.

Yeah, there's no minimum.

Sometimes, you know, we can go through the process and the client might have gone to the chiropractor like four or five times.

They're like, hey, I'm not really that hurt anymore.

The insurance company might say $2,000.

We'll say, hey, we're going to turn this case down.

You just call the insurance company and settle it yourself.

In those instances, if it's kind of, you know, juice isn't worth the squeeze or a time value of money thing.

But for the most part, yeah, there's no limits or caps.

are yeah you know there's some firms out there you know i call them the diamond shops where they'll only take a catastrophic catastrophic, you know, leg off type of case.

Like, that's all they do, but they're really good at that, and they have, you know, 60 cases in their inventory, and that's all they do every day are those really high-value ones.

So if they get one great one,

it pays for the year.

You know, we're a kind of a mix of that.

We have obviously...

I think we had a verdict two weeks ago for $25 million.

And we had another, we settle cases for $10K all day in Florida as well.

So there's really no threshold.

Yeah.

And do you do everything in-house or do you outsource a lot of cases?

We do.

So personal injuries all in-house.

So car accidents, slip and falls,

anything done, you know, anything that was you, you were injured is all in-house.

State by state, it varies like medical malpractice.

We're in Florida, we're in Atlanta.

We're not in the, those are the only ones who really do the medical malpractice, and we're in employment law and across the country.

But, you know, for the most part, if we're not, if it's not our niche or our area, we have a crazy network of referral partners.

That's actually what I'm kind of in charge of now is our referral network.

So any case, any state, we can at least, if we can't help you out, we get you to the best people that can.

Got it.

Have you done any big profile of celebrity cases?

I have, I mean, even on, I'm actually a basketball agent as well.

So I've been in that space a little bit.

So I've done some

stuff like

criminal defense stuff for some, like Bradley Beale got an incident in Florida where he like flipped the guy's hat off and the guy tried to sue him from intentional infliction, emotional distress.

It was going after Bradley for like flipping a hat for like $8 million or something ridiculous.

He was at a game.

The guy actually said

a racial comment to Bradley about a bet that he lost.

Bradley looked at the guy and flipped his hat off.

And then two days later, you know, the police were calling saying Bradley's wanted for assault.

The whole civil lawsuit was drafted.

And so I was on the front lines of that for a little bit.

And then I, you know, once we got the civil thing resolved, then I passed it off to the best criminal guy in town.

And then from what I understand, it's all been put to bed now.

But, I mean, yeah, there's been different celebrity stuff.

We were actually involved in the guy.

We represented the guy that got punched by Mike Tyson on the plane.

Oh, I saw that.

So we represented him.

That was a bad one.

Yeah, it was.

But Mike's been good about it.

You know, we're on good terms with him.

We actually sponsor his podcast.

Oh, so yeah, I mean, it's cool to see him like, you know, yeah, he knows it was, he was in the wrong, obviously, and we're working through that.

But yeah, there's been different ones.

50 Cent, we have a case right now.

He threw a mic at a girl's head.

You know, he said the mic wasn't working.

He didn't see her.

He threw it down and it busted over and gave her stitches.

But yeah, we see all types of different cases.

Yeah, if you're a celebrity, you're just going to be targeted no matter what.

I feel like every year is a lawsuit.

Exactly.

I was talking to someone.

I'm not going to say his name, but he's on a TV show right now.

He has some stuff that's coming after him.

And he's like, if I wasn't me this wouldn't be happening I was like he's like not only that but people think I have all this money like they're asking me for billions of dollars and I got you know six figures in my bank account because but they think he's a celebrity they think he's a target he did something stupid that you know wasn't a level to a crime but now they're oh I'm gonna go and just sue this guy and try to get him money back real quick nuts and you could sue people for anything these days pretty much I mean that's what I always tell people like for you know There needs to be a claim people, I get that question a lot in different pockets.

Can you just sue for anything?

I mean, technically, yes.

You know, how long does it stay in the court systems?

It's probably not long if it's, you know, really just has no merit to it at all.

You're going to file a motion to dismiss.

A judge is going to see it and dismiss it.

Yeah.

But for the most part, as long as you have like 500 bucks cash and a computer, you can file a law sentence anywhere.

Yeah.

You can file it yourself.

You don't even need a lawyer.

Yeah.

I mean, for the most part, small claims courts, all that type of stuff.

Yeah, you can definitely go in and

get it going.

Wow.

That's nuts.

Yeah.

Even myself, I'm getting.

involved in legal.

I'm not even a celebrity, but like a couple a year.

Oh, I'm sure.

Yeah.

Or you might say something on a podcast or hey, this or that.

Not next making

defamation or libel or exactly.

I feel like I try to do really good business with people, but just being in public figure, I guess, you know, your target.

Exactly.

Nuts.

Did you follow the Trump case?

I've been watching it.

Yeah.

I feel like it's one that shouldn't have, it's kind of wasted a lot of judicial resources.

But I've been following it.

I mean,

it's kind of is what it was.

It was kind of black letter type stuff, strict liability law, they call it.

It's like there's no like wiggle room.

It's just, did this happen to that, happened to that, happened, then it's done.

But yeah, I've been following, I followed it a little bit, the one, the hush money.

I know you have a few other ones that are are lingering that are a little bit more significant than that one.

So what's the problem with hush money legally?

So I get, so really what it was, it was an NDA, and there really is nothing wrong with NDA.

The problem was

the way that he labeled the money for tax purposes, I guess.

He wrote it off.

Exactly.

And there's another, I guess, felony attached to it as well that since he did it in furtherance of an election, that's where it got it to.

So if he wasn't running for president, none of this would have ever happened.

Wow.

Yeah, for the most part.

That's crazy.

It felt really targeted.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

I mean, it was, you know, and both sides going on.

You've got the Hunter Biden, you know, he just got convicted of the gun charges as well.

So there's definitely tons of stuff.

That was shocking to me.

Yeah.

I mean, that took a while.

The political judicial system is definitely being weaponized right now by both sides.

It's not good to see because, you know, all of a sudden this is going to start happening.

You're going to start suing people left and right and losing merits.

I'm hoping after the next, you know, get through this election, they'll get some more normalcy back in America.

Yeah.

Do you feel like it's pretty fair overall, the system, the legal system?

I think the system's right.

I mean, I was watching Trump in the way.

You know, he was going off on the judge.

I mean, the judge was, in my opinion, he was playing by the book and doing the rules.

And obviously, he was giving some rulings that weren't great to Trump, but there were, you know, rulings that were kind of, again, black letter law.

This is what it is.

And he gave some good rulings to Trump.

But, you know.

So I think the way it played out, it was a good trial state.

Same with the Hunter trial.

You know,

the witnesses were allowed.

The judge made the right rulings on which ones weren't and which ones were.

But yeah, for the most part, I think the system's right.

You're always going to get bad results.

I mean, I've had verdicts where I've had a case that, you know, appeals right now where I thought I should have won

and the jury just doesn't see it your way.

You know, I have a case where, you know, we were asking for around like

somewhere around a million.

The defense said the case is only worth $50,000 and the jury said zero.

So

we had the defense saying to give our client $50,000.

The jury still said nothing.

So it does happen all the time.

You're not always going to get it right.

But I think for the most part, it's probably the best system we got going comparatively anywhere in the world as well.

Yeah, because you could have a black and white case and all it takes is one guy on the jury, right?

Exactly.

Exactly.

And that's crazy to me because personal bias, you know what I mean?

Yeah, and you do a good job in different states like Florida, you do the jury selection with Voyd Dyer.

You go in and you ask a lot of questions, you know, to figure out that bias.

But then other states like Pennsylvania, you get like five minutes of that.

So you really can't figure out like who's who's what.

And you got, you know, sleeping giants are, you know, people that are sleeping saying,

I don't have any bias.

Meaning, like, meanwhile, they're like, I can't wait to get on this jury and either, you know, give this person a bunch of money or make sure this person gets no money.

But, you know, they're like, you know, who doesn't like attorneys?

And they're like, oh, I'm fine.

And you'll go on their Facebook sometimes doing the research and it'll be like, you know, Morgan and Morgan.

I'm in court right now.

I'm about to zip them and things like that.

We've caught juries really doing that before

where they get dismissed, obviously, pretty quickly.

But they'll just sit there, lying, wait, try to get on the jury and then zip you.

Yeah.

That's tough, man.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Wow.

Yeah.

These days you got to be careful what you're posting, too.

Oh, definitely.

Oh, yeah.

People, and then there was someone, I think,

it came up in the Trump trial, actually.

I think they're investigating right now, but I saw someone on a Facebook post or someone said, oh, my cousin's on this jury.

They told me over the weekend they're convicting him, you know, when the trial was still going on.

The judge saw the post and actually told Trump's attorneys about it after the fact.

So I think there's an appeal process going on about that.

Yeah, exactly.

So that was nuts.

Yeah, you definitely, people are watching everything now.

Oh, yeah.

I remember when my car got broken into and I was supposed to get like 50K from lemonade, but I had this one photo on my Twitter, I think, of I did a business transaction in the car.

Yeah.

And that, because of that, I lost the money.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So that was just dumb.

Because I sold, I used to sell sports cards and I had a bunch in my back seat.

Yeah.

And they're saying there's a business car or something.

Yeah.

And they only cover personal.

Oh, geez.

So you got to win real cards.

And then the insurance company, oh, here's a line here.

Here's a line there.

And even if you probably didn't get an attorney involved or anything, did you accept it?

I actually did.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, we ended up getting 5K instead of 50, basically.

But yeah, exactly.

Because even then, they'll be like, no, this is just the law.

And then, say, you didn't get an attorney, you're like, well, I guess that's what they're telling me.

So it is what it is.

And I'll sign off, not knowing that there could be some recourse there but right definitely they'll find you know loopholes all the time uber drivers oh you were driving for personal you're driving for public all right that way we're denying your coverage uber denies your personal denies now there's no coverage on the on either side yeah did you always want to become a lawyer growing up uh i actually didn't my dad says i went to law school under duress uh

yeah but uh um i wanted to be a sports agent i am a basketball agent i worked for mark cubin when i was in law school nice and then from avericks uh well actually yeah i met mark cubin i was at a barack obama fundraiser um i was like with one of the youngest kids there mark was there making he was actually bartending for it i think what yeah exactly he was like a celeb bartender was mark cube and it was at vince carter's house in orlando wow um during all-star like orlando all-star or whatever that was like you know i was still going into law school so like 12 years ago 13 14 years ago but uh yeah mark was there it was whenever barack was going for his re-election and he was like what are you doing here you're the youngest kid in here i was like oh my dad's you know is a bundler he's helping out with the campaign um and he's like i I hate to be this guy, but what are you doing after this?

And I was like, my buddy Marcus Jordan, it's Michael Jordan's son.

He played at UCF at the time.

It's his 21st birthday party tonight.

I'm going to go to his party.

And Mark's like, you mind if I tag along with you?

You know, I'm a 22-year-old kid.

I got Mark Cuban asking to hang out with me in the hometown.

I'm like, yeah, I think we can make that work.

So we went out.

We had a good time.

We started emailing back and forth.

I told him I want to kind of sponge him and just learn his business, his business mind.

So I didn't work for the Mavericks.

I worked for Mark Cuban companies.

So the way like on Shark Tank, you do a deal, then you don't actually sign the deal then it goes to like you know you got to make sure that everything they're saying is true that's what they say you check the books so i was working on that that kind of division doing different deal sourcing and you know the legal work while i was in law school in those companies i had a buddy that i live with uh in college chandler parsons that we were hanging out at the time and he was a free agent during the basketball um during the offseason he had two teams that were interested in him and i was talking to mark on the daily and the mavericks weren't one of them and i was like hey by the way do you think you would you've been interested in chandler he's like yeah we want him really bad

and i I was able to actually get Chandler a few more million dollars than his agent at the time was had on Babel from the other team.

And then that fall and summer, his agent hired me.

So I went out and worked for Dan Fagan.

Okay.

It was called Relativity.

He's since passed away.

So I did that for the first like two years.

And then when I got out, I had job offers from both Mark and from the sports agency.

And then my dad kind of gave me the opportunities.

Like, if you want, you come back.

I know you don't want to do this, but I think it's a better path for money and the way you can kind of grow your brand and still do your sports at the same time.

So I kind of launched a boutique sports agency.

He was kind of doing that a little bit.

Nice.

Have a couple guys overseas, nothing too major.

Do legal work for Anthony Edwards is a legal client of mine.

I was just reviewing contracts for him this morning.

He's probably getting some big ones.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got, he's Chipotle, Bose.

He had a great year, man.

Amazon, Google, like you name them.

He's getting them right now.

It's crazy.

Yeah, it's awesome for him, too.

They're saying he's the future face of NBA, man.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, the way I got Anthony, or the way that he kind of came, he's with Bill Duffy, he's his agent, but his manager, his guy that trained him his whole life, I called me when I was trying to do the basketball thing.

And he was married to my sister's best friend growing up.

She's like, hey, my husband wants to talk to you about he has a basketball kid that he needs some help with.

I called him.

I thought I was going to be like, you know, I do these calls all the time.

You got a kid that thinks he's going to be so good.

I'm like, by the way, what's his name?

He's like, Anthony Edwards.

And I almost like dropped the phone.

It's the number one pick in the draft this year.

Like, yeah,

I think I can help you out with that.

Yeah.

So yeah, it's definitely been fun.

So, no, did I want to be a lawyer at first?

No, I kind of was doing that

lane of sports, business, entrepreneurship I got into the law in about two I think it was after like my second or third my second year had my first trial got like a 300k win and I was like hooked I was like yeah this is what I want to do now yeah I bet that was a huge adrenaline review oh it's the best got a taste of it that's the best feeling is it's like I played sports growing up so like it's definitely the only it's the closest thing you get to that winning and losing comp that competition yeah grinding hard putting the work in seeing the results and like knowing I'm grinding like and then there's a purpose behind it too and then you get the clients hugging you and crying and right making a difference yeah you're changing people's lives.

Oh, it's crazy.

Like the one I'm so mad about right now, that

2.6 verdict, my client is a 52-year-old lady that's a receptionist at

an eyeglass center, making $12 an hour or whatever it is.

And I'm like, she's got all this money.

She should be retired and her life should be done.

But here's, you know, she's still going through it.

So they're just going to keep delaying it.

Delaying it, yeah.

It was a rear end accident, two back surgeries.

They said that, you know, wasn't, the back surgeries weren't caused by the accident.

She never had back problems before, never had an MRI before, you know, and after the accident MRI two herniations back surgery like oh that's not from us but whoa exactly that that that that that that's their mo they'll get a doctor cme doctor that does like a five-minute examination and right like this person was not injured in the accident and they submit that and then they say yeah then they just get so they just pay off the doctor basically i don't want to say they pay them off uh because that would be illegal but they're definitely defense friendly doctors that is crazy Yeah, because I guess if you don't have any proof of before the injury what the back looked like, I guess they're just yeah, I mean, that's that's the best.

I mean, sometimes you do you can have a client you know we I think I think this stat I saw recently is like the average human gets in or the average American gets in like five accidents in their life unfortunately.

Yeah.

That's hot.

It's going down with the driverless cars and all that.

But so there are times where you have a client that's been with you before you can have an MRI and those are great because you can actually show, hey, this is what their spine was five years ago.

There's no herniations in the neck at all.

There's no, you know, there was a bulge here.

Here we are five years later.

And now the neck's all flared up.

The only thing that happened between now and that is, you know, they got hit by a semi three months ago.

And the insurance company will still say, well, that's just degenerative changes.

They're going to get those herniations anyway.

It's not from the semi.

Got it.

So you guys mainly focus on personal injury?

Yeah, I mean, that's the bread and butter.

That's really where, you know, the majority of our lawyers are.

But it's all, you know, workers' compensation, employment law, mass torts, and class actions are really big for us, too.

We had a $1.8 billion settlement

against Porter.

It was a Porter inch gas leak out in California where pretty much these houses were just being pumped with people were getting, you know, gas was going into their house and they're getting headaches and nosebleeds and crazy stuff was going on.

So it was a class action where you pretty much just go get the, you know, the whole neighborhood goes and gets lawyers.

And we worked with a few other law firms on it.

But yeah, class actions, these data breach cases right now are really big.

Google Incognito.

I don't know if you've seen that one.

It's been going on.

No, I didn't see that.

What happened?

So pretty much you have the incognito mode where you think your browser history is not being recorded and all that, but it is the whole thing.

Exactly.

Dude, I use that.

Exactly.

I use Safari's too.

You can be a client.

We can sign you up.

Yeah.

I wonder if Safari does that.

I know the Google one's going on pretty, and the signups are crazy.

Holy crap.

So how did they find out they were tracking on there?

I don't know if it was a whistleblower or really what came out, but yeah, essentially they're still just harvesting all your data and

whatever you're looking at and you're collecting that and still selling it off to companies, even though it's technically on.

It's just a kind of a fake safety thing.

The Brita one really shocked me.

Did you see that one?

What was that one?

So the Brita water filter, they said they used to filter 99% of harmful ingredients.

It was nowhere close to them.

Yeah, it was nothing.

So a class action.

And I used that in college.

Everyone did.

Oh, I think I have two in my fridge right now.

Crazy.

Actually, no, I just got the hydrogen.

You've seen that hydrogen.

Oh, the one that shakes the water?

It was a Gary Brecker thing.

Yeah, Gary Brecka.

Yeah, yeah.

Have you noticed any results from that?

Placebo, maybe, but I've been doing it, but it's been good.

Yeah, it's hard to tell.

Yeah, exactly.

It is, exactly.

But, dude, a lot of these claims, like, Roundup was a big one.

Roundup we're heavy on that one.

Monsanto, yeah, those are still going on.

There's opioid litigation.

We represent a lot of cities and municipalities, the state of Kentucky

against the opioid companies.

Those are still going on.

So whole cities are going off their...

Yeah, essentially it's like, hey, you know, you pushed all these pills into our community.

And now, you know, this city in West Virginia is just a shell of what it was because everyone's doped up and high and unemployed.

So the cities are suing these manufacturers.

They're getting tons of money.

And then...

for hopefully prevention.

So like, all right, what can we do now?

And

there's some issues right now where the, you know, who's in controlling the money and where's it going?

I saw, like, you know, some cop, like a police department bought like eight Camaros with the opioid litigation.

Like, how is this helping the opioid fights and stuff like that?

But yeah, but yeah, these cities are able to go and collect against the opioid companies.

Yeah.

These big pharma companies just build it in their budget, though, legally.

Oh, yeah, they're ready for it.

Yeah, there's so many Ozempic lawsuits right now.

Yeah, we're actually the first one to file the Ozembic lawsuits.

Oh, you are?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, we were a first mover in that space.

Yeah, pretty much like stomach paralysis.

They start taking it and you just, you know, can't go to the bathroom anymore.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

People are taking it to lose weight and then they're

paralyzed.

That's nuts, though.

Oh, yeah, exactly.

And then they like, instead of going to the bathroom, they're like, they have to throw up to get their food out.

And it's just like, yeah, terrible stuff.

I wonder if anyone's gone after the antidepressants, like Xanax or Clonazepam.

I mean, I think, I'm sure they have.

The one that I think might

is the, you know, the

study, like the, the, the ADD medications that people are abusing,

all that type of stuff in college.

And, you know,

the long-term effects, I don't know what it's going to be, but I feel like that

can't be great.

Yeah, well, now there's probably brain scans that are seeing the long-term effects 10, 20 years.

Exactly.

The heart just pumping, you know, your heart's going crazy.

Yeah.

Your 15-year-old kid taking 40 milligrams of Vyavance every morning for 10 years.

I'm sure it was common in law school where you went.

It was.

I always kind of stayed away from it, luckily.

It always gave me bad reactions.

It was always like...

Sane.

I thought I was going to die.

My heart.

I'm just a cold brew guy.

Yeah.

No Western drugs for me, man.

Exactly.

What do you got working on next?

Any upcoming sponsors or anything fun?

Yeah, we got, like I said, we did the UFC thing.

We're out here yesterday doing that.

We got

I'm going to London next week.

We got a horse in the Royal Ascot races, so we have 40 people racing.

Wow.

Yeah, we got into that a few years ago.

My dad's from Kentucky, so he's always been big into the horse racing scene.

So I'm going out there to do that.

I think it's on Wednesday.

Ultimate Grace and the Queen Mary Stakes.

That sounds fun.

Wish us luck, yeah.

And then as far as the law stuff, it's just a lot of the, you know, these newer markets is really been focusing on, you know, growing, on, on growing those markets.

So a lot of, I think right now we're looking at doing deals with some of the,

we've been doing more sports deals.

So hopefully on the horizon, we have one with the Miami Heat that should be getting done here.

Luckily, knock on wood.

We got a couple colleges teams that we've been looking at.

We do the NIL stuff.

So they've got, you know, the football season and all that's going to be coming up here shortly.

So we'll definitely be staying busy with all that.

Yeah.

You guys got to land Caitlin Clark.

Right.

She's hot right now.

We have Juju Watkins, who I argue is better than than Caitlin Clark.

Whoa.

I don't know if you followed her on.

She was a freshman at USC last year, but she's going to be the Michael Jordan of basketball.

We got her early.

The plan is to keep her.

Dang.

I honestly thought WNBA was done for Caitlin Clark.

Like, I thought it was dead.

They've been losing money every year, but she's really changed things up.

Yeah, she juiced it back up.

Now you turn on ESPN every morning.

There's at least like 10, 15 minutes talking about WNBA, where before you'd have to go to ESP and the Ocho

to get any coverage of it.

And the players players do not like her, which is weird to me.

Oh, I know, right?

It's like they're checking her, and it's like, you should be

thanking her for getting more eyeballs.

But that's

with everything in life.

They left her off as soon as you get up to the top.

I mean, the USA basketball is just ridiculous

to leave her off.

You know, that everyone wants to see her.

Even if she's playing five minutes a game, just let her travel the team and let her buy into the program because she's going to hopefully be playing for USA for the next 16 years.

They would have all made more money if they had her on.

It makes no sense.

Oh, definitely.

Endorsements and all that.

It's probably just the other players that were seniors on.

They're probably like, we don't want her on here.

Blah, blah, blah.

It's going to be a distraction.

And so you probably have some, I mean, I'm guessing here, but I'm sure you had some leadership of the older players saying, we don't want her here.

Yeah.

How lucrative is the horse racing?

Was there an ROI on the horses you invested in?

So when we invested in it, the guy we were investing with said, imagine that you're taking this money and lighting it on fire.

Now, luckily, we have actually made some money and broken even and been able to buy more horses and do it.

So we are making ROIs on it.

But pretty much every every time we make money, we put it back into the program.

Got it.

Yeah.

But for you guys, it's probably just more of a networking awareness play, right?

Yeah.

And it's networking.

It was a dream of my dad to be a part of it.

You know, we got the horses named like Ultima D and Ultimate Grace after my mom and my niece and things like that.

So there's all that approach to it too.

But yeah, it was more of like a passion project for my dad.

And then once we got, once my mom fell in love with it, it was game over.

Nice.

I feel that.

Yeah, you probably have to win a race to make money, right?

Exactly.

Yeah.

So like the Ultimate Grace, the race that she wanted, won to get into this race was like, you know, an 80K 80K race.

And once she's racing, it's a 200K race.

Wow.

You kind of keep going up.

She's a two-year-old now.

And then once you get to like a four-year-old, then you're in like the million-dollar races.

Okay.

So that's the prime age of a horse four years old?

Three is, I think the Derby horses are three.

Okay.

Kentucky Derby, yeah, and they run like three, but yeah, three to four is like when you want to be hitting your stride.

Damn, so you got a short window.

Oh, yeah.

But the money is in

the breeding.

So like Ultimate Grace, we had our first horse was Ultima D.

Her baby was Ultimate Grace, but her dad was American Pharaoh, the triple crown winner.

Wow.

So since Ultimate D was a good horse, American Pharaoh's owners reached out to us and said, hey, will you breed Ultimate D with American Pharaoh?

They did, and now we got this horse that's killing it.

So if she does good, then you can start breeding her babies.

So it's like an investment up front, and then you keep breeding.

Like American Pharaoh, luckily, we didn't have to pay for it since they reached out to us.

But to have a child with him, if you're a female horse, is about $750,000.

What?

You could sell the babies for that?

And that's just not even guaranteeing that it's going to keep either.

That's just like the vial of, you know.

So if you were smart, you would just buy the best horse and have a kid every year,

sell them.

Yeah, exactly.

And that's what, I mean, the Sheiks and all that are doing.

If you see, like, they go to, there's, I'm from Florida, so there's Ocala, Florida is like a huge horse place, but they have these giant mansions out there.

These like Sheiks fly in, they buy the best horses, they fly back.

Same with Kentucky, too.

So yeah, they definitely, that's what they do.

It's just waiting, breed this one with that one.

Is it good?

Is it not good?

But it's all about the lineage.

Wow.

So the racing is good.

It helps cover some costs, but you're really just hoping that if he does win the Kentucky Derby, yeah, it's whatever, a million, two million bucks, but you can be making a million bucks, you know, a week.

A week?

I mean, if you if you're a male horse, yeah, you can.

Oh, if you're a male horse.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Like American Pharaoh has days where he's just got like three girls around him.

Holy crap.

He gets massaging.

Yeah, I was thinking from a female point of view, but yeah,

females, exactly.

So the females are more valuable as far as that goes, as far as because it takes longer to carry the horse, whereas the male has kind of can do it more frequently.

But yeah, so you can make more money on the males because the frequency of it, but the women are really who you have to have to make sure the horses are going to be.

Got it.

Wow, that's fascinating.

I got to get out to a horse race one of these days.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Come out.

Yeah.

I've never been.

Keeneland's awesome.

That's the one in Lexington that we always go to, but they're all over.

You got to get to one.

Hell yeah.

Dude, it's been fun.

Where can people find you and potentially hire you guys?

So I'm on Instagram at DanMorgan ESQ.

Forthepeople.com is our website.

You can go there to hire us.

We're also for the people is our Instagram for our company, Instagram as well.

But yeah, pound529.

Like I said, pound law is our cell phone number.

So you can call that from your cell phone.

You hooked up right with us.

Or yeah, you just shoot me a DM.

I'm happy.

I've always, that's my,

I call myself the referral king.

So I love it.

Yeah.

Goal.

We'll link it all below.

Thanks for coming on, Den.

Absolutely.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, thanks for watching, guys.

As always, see you tomorrow.