Social Media: The Truth No One Tells You | Shubham Goel DSH #716

Are you crypto?

I am.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

You're getting it now.

It's pretty tough.

That's a making that serious moment.

I heard about Bitcoin before it got big, so it's like one of those things where, oh, my God, I did kind of know about it.

Yeah.

Every town had that one Bitcoin nerd or whatever.

The ones I feel bad for are the ones that actually had a lot of it and couldn't access it.

I feel so bad.

If they could access it now, it'd be worth hundreds of millions.

They'd be set for life.

Crazy, dude.

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All right, guys, we got Shubam here coming off another circle appearance, right?

Yeah, man.

It's great to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Absolutely, man.

Is this one of your first podcasts?

No, I've done a few around the years, but I'm stoked to be here, man.

This is sick.

We're in Vegas, so I'm excited.

You in Vegas a lot?

No, I want to come more, though.

I love the town.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a rare take.

Most people don't like it here because they lose money.

No, I like it.

You know, you guys have great shows here.

The ambiance is electrics.

I like it.

Yeah, I can't beat the shows.

I'm with you on that.

Yeah, like the circus shows are incredible.

Yeah.

Which ones have you seen?

The Cirque de Sale, the Oak.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I saw that one.

I saw another one.

Yo, some of those scare me, though.

Oh, really?

I saw saw one where they were jumping like 40 feet into the smallest pool of water.

Yeah.

And I got a little nervous.

Did you see that one, dude?

Maybe.

I don't remember.

I mean, I saw someone jump in like a fountain, but.

Crazy, man.

Well, what you been up to?

Did you get a master's degree recently?

Yeah, I don't know.

I've been finishing it up.

So I've been studying in England.

So at Oxford, I've been doing like a part-time master's.

And yeah, it's been super fun.

So hopefully next year I'm done.

Oxford, man.

That's the top of the top.

Yeah, I loved Harry Potter, and they filmed a lot there.

So that was like a, I was stoked to me.

I'm stoked to go with that.

Harry Potter is the best.

What's your favorite Harry Potter movie?

Oh, I love them all, but the fourth one.

I'm the same.

Goblet of Fire.

Really?

I knew that.

We're already on the same page.

That's my favorite.

100%.

It's a rare take, though.

People don't have that one at their top usually.

Yeah, I know.

I'm glad you have it, though.

Yeah, but that was the first one where it was like, it got real.

Yeah.

Like, I think that was the first Big Death, and it just felt coming real.

Yeah, darkness started coming.

Yeah, dude.

I haven't watched any of the newer ones or whatever, but.

Oh, like the Fantastic Beast one?

Yeah.

have you seen those?

Yeah, I saw them.

They were good.

I liked them, but yeah, they're good.

I feel like you just can't beat the original.

The Harry Potter's incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah, 100%.

So you were on season one of the circle and season five?

Yeah, I was on season one and five.

Yeah.

Which one did you like more?

Oh, they were both so fun.

I look at it as one continuation.

Okay.

Both so fun.

Season one, incredible.

People five is great.

So both are good.

Nice.

And you were an interesting person because you were anti-social media before going on, right?

Yeah, Social Medusa.

And why were you so against it?

Well, my thing was, I thought, you know, with social media, it was very addicting, especially for the youth, and that can have like negative effects on their, you know, mental health.

And if you look at studies, I think we're in a loneliness pandemic right now in an epidemic.

So I think social media plays a part to that.

And I also thought sometimes it can create like a false sense of reality as you see people like their lives, but it might not feel real.

So it's like a comparison contest that makes people feel bad.

Having said that,

after the circle, I see some good stuff with it.

Like, I think it's sick you can express yourself or connect with new friends.

So I look at it as good and bad now.

Okay.

Yeah, I think it's good and bad.

Yeah.

But overall, what's your take?

Like net positive or net negative overall?

Ooh, good question.

Net, I'm not sure yet.

Okay.

We'll see.

Time will tell.

I think it's really what you choose to focus on.

I agree.

It's what you make of it.

Yeah, because some people are mindlessly scrolling.

Some people are learning a lot through podcasts and interviews.

So I think for me, it's positive mainly.

I do think personally, though, I will say I think social media has gotten better over the last couple of years.

I like that the algorithm has become democratized, where even if people, someone doesn't have a lot of followers, it's the content that pushes out in a way.

So I think it's more democratized.

It's also desensitizing because on my Instagram, I see death of animals.

I see death of people like every day.

So it does kind of desensitize you to certain things as well.

So you got to keep an eye on that.

Yeah.

I think it's good and bad, like you said.

Yeah.

But I just try not to scroll too often to catch 22.

I know.

Because I have to find interesting guests, but I also can't get wrapped up in TikTok feeds.

I know, I know, because the timekeeper just go like all day.

You're like in the morning and then it's night.

No, it's super addicking, man.

Did you run for governor?

Oh, I did.

Yeah, a long time ago.

Oh, where was that at?

California.

It was, I think, the 2018 election.

I thought it would be like a good experience to run and it'd be sick.

Yeah.

My last name was Goyle, so I had like my slogan was the gold rush.

What was your big takeaway from doing that?

What did you learn?

Oh, super fun.

I think

a lot of people do want to help.

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So that it can be done and that people can buy into it.

Because if it's feasible, then it's easier to get people on board.

I feel that.

Did you have to engage in any debates when you were running?

I did, yeah.

They were super fun.

I got to like talk to all these people and learned a lot.

I can't see you like going at someone.

You're so nice.

Like Like I lose.

Yeah, no, it was it was more positive.

I had to like, because I was, um, I didn't have much financial support because I didn't, I didn't raise money for this campaign.

Oh, self-funded.

But so I had to like, I like tried to sneak into a debate in San Jose and I got in.

So that was fun.

And I was just like, but yeah.

Yeah, because you need money to play at that level, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Honestly, like, for some of the races, you need like upwards of hundreds of a lot of millions of dollars.

What?

Yeah.

And that's at a state level.

That's not even federal.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a pretty compelling candidate.

But, you know, there are, there are different ways.

Like, you don't always need money, right?

Because the right candidate can push through that.

But it depends.

What were the biggest changes you were advocating for at that time?

Yeah, that's a great question.

I think one of the things was there's a board of regents that govern the nine UC campuses.

So I was thinking

instead of the governor electing those regents, also the students could vote for them themselves.

Because it's like they're kind of representing the students.

So it'd be good to have like a combination of elected by the governor, but also appointed by people.

and then another thing i was i was actually uh another thing was like really focusing on um bridging like silicon valley more into the government so like i was thinking about like opening these funds where we reroute money to like give silicon valley companies like um contracts to work on certain stuff whether it's like farm irrigation or like um i thought like healthcare we could like use some of their ai databases and put that into our healthcare system but that'd be more efficient yeah for sure because you know silicon valley is so incredible it's like it's a powerhouse Well, how is it these days?

Because a lot of these tech companies got wrecked, right?

With the valuations.

Yeah.

The whole, oh my God, the world has changed so much these last few years.

Yeah.

I think,

yeah, man, I think the pandemic and everything has had such a adverse effect on so many people.

Yeah, I heard it's rough out there now.

Like a lot of homeless and hopefully that changes.

Yeah, I always love California.

It's like, you know, I have such a soft spot because I grew up there.

But

yeah, I don't know.

So where are you at now?

So I'm half the time in NorCal, half-time in SoCal.

Oh, wow.

Cali boy for life.

Best of both, huh?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

What's your,

what do you like more, NorthCal or South Cal?

Oh, good question.

I think, you know, if I'm trying to have fun and kick it, SoCal.

But if the fam, bam, NorCal.

Okay.

Yeah.

What do you do for fun?

Oh, I love to metal detect.

Metal detect.

Yeah, that's been sick.

That's a cool answer.

Go on like that.

What's the coolest thing you found metal detecting?

A lot of rusty nails.

And are those valuable?

No, just have antiseptic soap when you touch it.

No, I found a chest.

I found a little chest, a jewel chest.

It wasn't worth much, but I thought that was super cool.

That is cool.

I used to see those people at the beach because I grew up in Jersey.

Oh, so they would walk around with metal detectors, see if anything washed up.

Nice.

That's I always wanted to do it, but it seems kind of like a lot of work to dig up.

Yeah, no, it's not too bad.

Not too bad.

Sometimes things are so deep, it's like, oh my God.

Yeah.

But yeah, it's fun.

There's just one YouTuber I watch who goes in rivers and metal detectors.

Oh, I saw that.

That's cool.

So cool.

He'll find like guns.

Yeah.

He's actually helped solve some murders.

I saw that and then or maybe it was i saw one where it was a magnet fishing or something it might have been that yeah yeah that's super no he's literally solved like murders because they find the weapons yeah so it's pretty interesting that's cool he finds a lot of iphones too wow i love iphones yeah you do so you're not an android guy No, I like Androids, but I love iPhones, you know.

Wow, I've never heard someone like both.

Usually it's one or the other.

No, I think it's cool.

Like, you know, someone like, if you're texting someone, it turns green.

I'm like, oh, that's cool.

It's different.

I hate that, dude.

You actually like that feeling?

Yeah, because it's like, oh, is it network issues or is it because I'm an Android?

Hell no.

Trust issues for me.

It's green.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel that.

Yeah, yeah.

What else do you do other than metal detecting?

I love to play tennis and ultimate frisbee and bike.

And yeah, man, just kick it.

Pickleball.

Walk.

I do like the idea of pickleball.

I think it's cool that so many people have gotten more into like racket sports.

Yeah.

So I like pickleball.

It's fun.

And, you know, they always got like cool restaurants nearby.

And yeah, are you a pickleballer?

A little bit.

Tennis is very taxing on the body.

yeah no i feel that you know that's why pickleball is cool yeah pickleball is more casual you can have conversation tennis you got to scream across the net to talk to the person yeah i saw spot for tennis but i understand pickleball i played tennis growing up when i was younger but now i don't want to be sore the next day when i'm playing sports damn i should have brought some paddles we could have played it on this table i mean dude i'm down how long you in town tomorrow morning oh next time i'll bring you to lifetime we'll play oh yeah i'd be Down it man.

So what are you majoring in at Oxford?

It's it's a master's in software engineering.

So, a lot of the classes have been in security.

I took one on neural networks and security.

So, it's been fun.

Now, what's the engineering space looking like with AI coming in to take jobs?

Are you scared of that?

No, I think it's exciting.

I think it'll just complement the jobs right now.

Especially in my field, I use it

in my day-to-day.

I think jobs will replace some, but it'll also open up new ones.

Okay.

What are you using it for right now?

Oh,

I use it like I use GPT sometimes.

So, like, when I'm writing like product, so I'm a product manager at a software company, and we build software for the federal government.

Wow.

So,

I will use GPT just sometimes if I want like formatting things, like from an AI standpoint, if I'm like, oh, I want to format this, or if I'm writing like a user story for like, which is just like a feature that we want to build,

I'll run it through there just to make sure I'm running through all the cases, the edge cases.

Got it, got it.

I was on your LinkedIn.

So you interned at the United Nations?

Oh, yeah, that was hella fun.

Yeah.

What goes on there?

That was super fun.

So I was interning on the United Nations, the peacekeeping team.

So we were working on like peacekeeping missions.

Yeah, and it's so cool.

The New York office is so cool because they have like all these iconic rooms and buildings and all these cool people from all the different places in the world.

Interesting.

So peacekeeping mission.

What does that look like?

Are you sending in people to rescue people?

Yeah, it's essentially like people who are there like working on initiatives that help build peace.

So whether that's like setting up infrastructure or like giving aid there or like establishing like

just like, it's like positive infrastructure and support.

So they're all across, I think there's like 12 plus across the world and stuff.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So you believe in world peace?

Yeah, I do.

I strive for it.

If only, right?

I know, man.

I know, I know.

War brings in a lot of money.

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

Yeah.

Economies start booming after war.

So from a business point of view, I get it.

But morally, it's messed up.

That's true.

There's a lot of it going on right now.

I know, man.

I know.

It's sad.

Yeah.

Working out the UN must be stressful right now.

Yeah, I just, I haven't, I think I did it a year ago, but the thing was, every time it's very intense because I think a lot of it's reactionary, right, to what's happening in the world.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, you're right.

But it's very cool because the work they do is so cool.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

What are you aiming for tonight in poker?

You want to win this this thing i just don't want to be last okay so um you know just play tight then yeah someone was telling me just fold shoe fold if you just fold every hand you won't get last because someone's gonna go all in within the first five hands really yeah because we have nine people at every table yeah yeah yeah so this is my first tournament poker tournament i'm just hoping it's not my last okay so i don't play so bad you're right because if i fold every hand yeah i will survive yeah i mean for a certain degree but i deplete every time though you deplete every big blind and small blind but you would last maybe should i fold and just take the cash and run no joke i'm joking 50 grand a lot i'm joking oh it's 50 to win yeah i think 50k or is it 25

i didn't even know 25 this is huge could be life-changing money man yo i should have watched more youtube videos yeah no for college students that's big time money right that's huge okay so i'm gonna yeah full oh yeah i play yeah i'll play like fiscally smart okay after you uh graduate what's the plan you got one more year right yeah yeah it's part-time so it like complements the work i do but um right now, I'm like in government tech, so I want to stay in there.

So, yeah, man, everything's been rocking.

So just kicking it up.

You're a big supporter of the government?

Yeah,

I think right now

software is such a good enabler to improve processes and efficiencies within the government that can help so many people.

So

I think tech is such a great way that the government can.

be utilized.

Where do you think the U.S.

ranks in terms of tech infrastructure compared to other countries?

That's a great question.

I'm not sure.

I don't know a lot about the tech space.

I think the tech companies here are really, honestly, top tier.

Like, I think they are, I don't know, I would say top five at least in the world.

China's got to be up there.

China's up there for sure.

Yeah.

Because our banking system is pretty outdated, I'd say, just from a consumer point of view.

Yeah.

Like, to send a wire, it takes like five days international.

Yeah.

You know, there's things that can be crypto.

Oh, yeah.

You big on crypto?

I think crypto's fun, like, the idea of it.

I don't know.

To be honest, I don't understand crypto.

There was one.

Yeah, I mean, it's fun, though.

I think it's cool.

It's new.

So, are you crypto?

I am.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

But a lot of it's timing.

Yeah.

If you're getting it now, it's pretty tough.

I'd say

serious money.

The thing is, I was hot, like, I heard about Bitcoin before it got big.

So it's like one of those things where, oh, my God, I did kind of know about it.

Yeah.

I'm like, I should have.

Every town had that one Bitcoin nerd or whatever mining it back then that got bullied and now they're multi-millionaire.

the ones i feel bad for are the ones that actually had a lot of it and couldn't access it though

i feel so bad much love yeah because if they could access it now it'd be worth hundreds of millions i know they'd be set for life crazy dude yeah you still talk to anyone from the circle yeah we're all still super close i'm actually gonna see a lot of them i'm to see joey tomorrow oaks yeah we have like this thing tomorrow in la so yeah we're all still super close for season six of the circle they're throwing a rap party so a lot of us are going to be there nice it's really cool the community's dope yeah joey won your season yeah He did, yeah.

I remember that.

I was cheering for him because he was from Jersey.

Yeah, Joey's great.

But you were my second choice if it makes you feel better.

Oh, thanks, man.

Because you were like the underdog.

You know, you were anti-social media.

You probably had a lot of haters.

Nope.

I mean, people were super nice.

I think it comes with its territory.

A lot of it, you know, a lot of it was more towards like my strategy, like strategies.

Yeah.

Oh, you shouldn't have blocked this person.

It was bad for your game.

But, you know, it comes with the territory.

Yeah.

What was your strategy going into the game?

Season one, I just felt like, you know what?

I just want to be myself

and just try to make friendships and genuine friendships.

Because I feel like, imagine we're playing the game.

Yeah, if I feel like you're my homie and like we have a natural bond, then I feel like the strategy would just naturally come off that.

Because if we vibe and we hang out, we have a good rapport.

That's much stronger than me coming in the first second and be like, dude, let's work together and take them all out.

Right.

Because the friendship will dictate the strategy.

So that's kind of what I tried to be and just be myself.

Interesting.

Hopefully.

Did you run into anyone that was undercover last season?

Oh, like catfishes?

Yeah, catfishes.

Yeah, one of my closest people, Rebecca, my sister, was actually my brother, Sieber.

Oh, shit.

I found that out at the end, but he was great.

Yeah, he was great.

So, no, no animosity for it.

No, I thought it was super funny.

I thought it was funny how, like, I'm, I called myself like Sharky Shibal and the catfish hunter.

And my closest person, one of my closest people, was a catfish.

I thought it was super funny.

He's great.

And then, what was your strategy for season five?

Yo, season five was wild.

You know, I came in late, and I knew the game, I love the game so much.

I knew coming late, my chances of winning could be tough because I come in late.

I see that the originals have such a tight bond and they're so close.

And I'm thinking, you know, if I get close with them, the best I'm going to get is fourth or fifth.

So the only way I'm going to win is I'm doing the math and I'm like, yo, there's five newbies and four originals.

So I said, viva la revolución.

The newbies should stick together.

All five of us could theoretically take the final five and one of us would win.

Wow.

Instead of one of us sucking up to the originals and we would get one spot in the fifth and you get fifth place.

Right.

So that was my pitch.

It was close, but it didn't work.

And then I got

it.

So how does it work when you come in late?

Is that planned or you don't know what the order is?

You don't know.

So I came in late, but it was super fun.

Got it.

Because they add people like halfway through the season, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They add people all throughout the game.

Got it.

Any other plans for shows you want to go on?

Hey, more the merrier.

Would you ever go on Survivor?

Oh, I love Survivor.

Yeah.

That's my favorite reality show.

Are you watching this season?

Not this one.

I watched the last one.

Oh, the last one was.

My boy Austin got betrayed.

Oh, my God.

He was so close to winning, dude.

He folded.

He simped.

Oh, for D?

D was a great winner.

I was like, Austin, my man.

He was so close.

Nah, he simped, man.

Did he.

Oh, you're right.

Oh, yeah.

He was so close.

Because he got votes in the final.

He got three votes.

Yeah, it was five to three, I think.

It was close.

Sorry for people who are spoiling it.

I know.

I think, yeah, I love Austin.

Austin played an incredible game.

He was so close to winning.

Survivor, and Amazing Race.

I would go on both of those.

Oh, you could kill both.

You should.

Survivor, I'm a little worried just because it's 40 days.

No, it got reduced now.

Oh, it got reduced.

It's like 20-something.

Okay, that's more doable.

You should do it.

Because 40 days, you're going to lose probably 20 pounds.

I know.

And you're going to lose a lot of business if you have a job.

So, yeah,

big brother.

Big brother's like 90 days under what?

90 days.

Damn.

Would you go on Naked and Afraid?

I would watch that.

Hey, yeah.

That was great.

I don't think I'd go on that one either.

Yeah, I don't know.

Is Is the circle planning a season next season?

Well, I think season six is coming out.

I would assume so.

Okay.

Yeah.

Great show.

That was cool, man, because the first season, people don't know what to expect, and now it's on season six.

Pretty crazy.

No, it's so cool to see, man, to see this wonderful game.

What about that dating show?

What's it called?

No, Perfect Match.

Is that the show?

Where they're all at the house?

Is that the one where all the people on the shows come in dating?

No, no.

The one I'm thinking of, it's a bunch of hot people.

Too hot to handle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

That one's so funny.

Would you go on that?

Would I I go on that one?

I'd consider it.

Okay.

Yeah, I'd consider it.

That'd be cool.

Yeah, Chase is on it.

And Chase is doing the poker.

Oh, yeah.

He'll be there tonight.

Yeah.

So, um, you dating right now, though, or no, no, solo, YOLO.

Yes, by choice, or just like, yeah, just, I don't know, I guess.

No, not really choice.

It's just, you know, it doesn't happen.

Okay.

I'm in a relationship.

Oh, so.

You're not on the apps?

No, not really.

Here and there, I'll go, you know, if I'm bored and stuff.

Do your parents want you you to date an Indian girl?

No, they're super open.

They're open to like, yeah.

I had some Indian friends growing up.

And they were very strict on that.

Oh, really?

I think it's an Asian thing.

My mom wanted me to date Asian

for the longest.

But we're branching out, man.

We're going to have an interesting baby if we have one.

You're engaged?

Yeah.

Oh, sick.

How long have you guys been engaged for?

Almost a year now.

Wow.

How did you guys meet?

Tinder, dude.

Oh, sick.

Yeah.

Met on the apps.

Wow.

Super like or regular like?

Regular.

I did pay for the premium, but I don't know if that was worth it.

Oh, yeah.

It all worked out.

It all worked out.

Sick, man.

What's her name?

Her name, Arielle.

She's probably watching this.

Oh, wow.

I love Little Mermaid.

Well, that's her name.

That's sick.

That's sick.

Is that your favorite Disney movie?

One of them.

I love Pinocchio and Peter Pan.

Pinocchio is classic.

That's sick.

Is Shrek Disney?

Or is that Pixar?

I don't know.

Dreamworks.

Oh, Dreamworks.

I love Shrek.

Okay, Shrek's a classic.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that might be my favorite.

But then they made like four and five, and like, they might even be working on a six.

I don't even know.

Really?

Yeah, I didn't watch them.

Remember playing the Shrek game?

It was fire.

Yeah.

That was fire.

Are you a big gamer?

Yeah.

What do you play right now?

I grew up on like Halo Call of Duty.

Now I play like a Fortnite and 4 Honor.

Okay.

I play Fortnite.

Really?

Yeah, we might have to.

I'm down.

Lock it in.

Yeah.

I play zero build, though.

Oh, so no build?

Yeah.

Oh, interesting.

You play build?

Yeah, but I'm a terrible builder.

I just, I do the arena.

I like the game mode they took away where when you kill people, you get health back.

Oh, yeah.

I I don't think it's there anymore.

I remember that one.

But yeah, Fortnite's sick.

I'm down.

Let's lock it.

Yeah.

I didn't take you for a first-person shooter type of game.

Yeah, I am.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Old man.

What do you got coming up next?

And where can people find you?

Yeah, I've just been kicking it.

You can find me maybe on the street.

I'll see like what's up.

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