Why We Quit Our Jobs: The Real Story Behind Our Success | The Makeshift Project DSH #713

She has known these people for like eight plus years.

I mentioned in that clip that I was like, oh, my girlfriend slept in a bed with other people

and people are roasting me, calling me things that should I don't think I am.

I don't identify as.

Because I said it's not cheating.

I was like, no, it's fine.

Like, what do I care?

Nothing's going to happen.

And yeah, the comments weren't so friendly.

This person was hosting like eight people.

There's not enough bedrooms.

It's like, I'm going to sleep on the couch.

And like.

All right, guys, back on the digital social hour.

We got Makeshift Project here today.

Brian and Zach.

We're in New York in your hometown, guys.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah.

Or thanks for coming on, I guess.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah.

And we're Jersey.

We are Jersey.

We are Jersey.

We get categorized into the New York social media influencers, which is fine by us.

We represent New York.

We represent New York, New York, New York and New Jersey.

Feel that.

I'll take New York content creator.

I'll take it.

Yeah, I'll take it.

New Jersey doesn't have as much of a ring to it.

Doesn't have that audience, right?

Yeah, I grew up in Jersey, too.

Did you?

Yeah.

Where?

Bridgewater.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So people say central Jersey doesn't exist, but what do you guys think?

It definitely exists.

Thank you.

Of course it does.

Thank you.

Because everyone gives me shit.

Well, pork roll, you're pork roll.

I'm pork roll.

You're pork roll.

Yeah, we're all pork roll here.

Thank you.

Even though he lives in Jersey City now.

I like Jersey City, too.

I lived there for a few months.

Jersey City's nice.

Where at?

Liberty Towers.

Okay.

I still say pork roll when I order there, though.

Yeah, that makes sense.

A lot of the menus up here still say pork roll.

So therefore, it's like, I think we're winning the war.

Absolutely.

That's what I'm saying.

We're winning the war.

So you guys film in New York, though, or Jersey?

We film in Jersey and Central Jersey in my parents' basement.

Wow.

Humble beginnings.

It's very makeshift.

That's why it's called, yeah, it's makeshift.

Humble beginnings and humble current current times.

Well, you guys just left your job though, so that's the next step, I feel like.

We did.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's been a ride.

It's been a ride.

If we ever do get a professional studio somewhere, I think I want like that makeshift feel in it still.

Like I still want to feel like I'm in the basement.

I do too.

Like, kind of like this feel.

Like, I like the background with your interests and everything like that.

I just don't want it to look too professional.

I want to look like we still put it together and crafted it.

I completely agree.

Respect.

So you guys will never go Hollywood then?

No, I don't think so.

I wouldn't.

We're not built like that.

Even when the money starts coming in?

We'll take the money,

but

we'll keep it humble.

We'll keep it makeshift.

How scary was that decision to both quit?

So

I think over time it got less and less scary.

We started the channel probably, what, three and a half years ago now?

And I think it was always a dream to go full-time.

And then then over the years, we started getting some more followers, getting more views, getting more money, which really helped us.

And then over the past probably year, we took the going full-time serious.

And then the money, we got some more money and more views and more followers and started stacking up.

And every month it became a little more and more realistic as time went on.

And we finally hit a point.

where we both were like, all right, we can do this.

We can satisfy our bank accounts, and we have enough followers, and we feel comfortable going full-time rather than working two jobs.

And we made sure, like, six months out, like we said, because I was waiting for my bonus at work.

Hopefully, my prior.

No, but you know, so once that timeline was set for like March or April,

doing everything that we can six months prior to be able to like schedule and make sure that we are getting sponsorships, we're maximizing revenue on platforms, and we have an opportunity to go full-time and feel comfortable doing it, we kind of took all the steps steps to do so so yeah it um it worked out i love that and i can't i can't believe it's just you two we were talking earlier i mean you guys have gotten billions of views just you two no editors or anything yeah no editors um i edit so the editing flow kind of works like i edit all the short form content which is now we try to do six short form videos a day we started out with one video a day back three and a half years ago then we made it three videos a day then we made it four then five and then when we went full time we're we're trying to do six we've had a ton of events and stuff

that we've that have hurt like the amount of videos a day, but we really do try to keep up six videos a day.

And then Zach edits all the long form videos pretty much, like the podcast, the tier list, the drafts, stuff like that.

And then I'll edit the vlogs whenever we shoot vlogs or outside of the studio stuff.

But we have a nice flow going.

Yeah.

I love it.

And it's such simple editing.

It's nothing crazy, but it's pulling massive numbers.

Yeah, it's nothing crazy at all.

I like to think of it as like very dumbed down content.

Not that the content's dumb, but it's very like easy to watch.

It's like very easily ingestible, and the edits are like very self-explanatory.

You watch the first two seconds, you know exactly what you're getting.

Absolutely.

Do you guys ever read the comments?

Because some of them are hilarious.

Some of them are hilarious.

I just saw the video where you took off your hat.

Oh, that's good.

And the top comment was like, I didn't know he was bald this whole time.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, man.

We got...

I don't even want to bring it back up again.

Instagram one.

Do you think it's cheating if your significant other sleeps in a bed with someone else?

Sleeps in a bed with someone else.

Now, now, there's context.

I edited this video for short form.

I've only edited like 10 short form videos ever.

And I edited it.

I don't know why you voluntarily keep bringing this up.

This is like...

It's the conversation.

I don't know.

No, go for it.

It's going to be very clippable.

She's known these people for like eight plus years.

And I mentioned in that clip that I was like, oh, my girlfriend slept in a bed with other people.

And people are roasting me, calling me things that should,

i don't think i am i don't identify as okay um because i said it's not cheating i'm like no it's fine like what do i care nothing's gonna happen and uh yeah the comments weren't so friendly there's context i mean my girlfriend of eight years has a gay best friend so i wouldn't mind that but i don't know your situation yeah that's a little different than all i think it's a little different if the guy's straight then that's kind of weird to me they like they went out to hawaii There's so much context.

They went out to Hawaii and like the

person was hosting like eight people.

There's not enough bedrooms.

It's like they sleep on the the couch and like, I don't know.

I just got, but yeah, so we do go through the comments sometimes.

We used to go through the contents way, the comments way more than we do now.

Now we get a ton of comments.

Not that we didn't get a lot of comments before, but I think in the beginning we were way more like

sensible to the comments and like we read everything and took everything to heart.

But now it's kind of just like, I don't think I've read comments other than that video because they were hilarious and the bald comments.

Other than that, I don't really read comments.

And we, yeah, we laugh at them because, you know, it's, it's, it's it's funny to me and it's like my brother was trying to get into tick tock a little bit and he posted like his first video and did like a top five like piano intros yeah and like got

not even towards him but towards people not agreeing with the list and he got like offended by the content and i'm like you just can't look into that and stuff at all you need to just look past it and like just laugh at it and joke about it and like sometimes lean into it so like i brought it up on this podcast like i brought it up on our last podcast and we dropped again like it's fine you know it's it's something that we find funny and um no matter how much people attack us for it, or if they agree, disagree, it's all good stuff.

Yeah, lists are hard.

No one's ever going to agree with your list, you know, that's your list.

Controversy.

And all of the lists that we find are online from different sources.

So it's very rarely our personal lists, but it's all online on all these different websites.

So it's not our list.

It's all credible sources.

Credible

with quotation marks.

You have been doing a list of top five states, right?

Yes.

Did you finish that one yet?

I know it's like about a week.

We haven't haven't yet.

We're on the top 20.

15?

Yeah,

there was 20 states left, and now we're removing another

Thursday.

And then following, we haven't shot the last.

So we got 15 left.

We got three more podcasts till it's end.

Okay.

Did you do top five cities?

No, we didn't.

I think we, top five cities to live in, we've done.

Oh, yeah.

Which that video did really well on Instagram.

It's actually funny because like YouTube, Instagram, pretty different different audience than our TikTok.

Our TikTok's like 70% US, and like we're actually pretty international on those other two platforms.

Oh, wow.

Like about 50-50.

And so anything with like states, like geography, a lot of food content does really well on Instagram and YouTube.

And you know, TikTok will usually kick also, but like that's content that we see do really well on

those other platforms.

I feel that what was the first video series that really took off?

Do you guys remember?

So, well,

if we go back way to the beginning, our first video ever, well, was our first video ever was an intro video.

Our second video ever was a bracket video, which was like the classic brackets of, and we did it with video games.

So, I think the first video, what was the matchup?

It was Fortnite versus Portal.

Yeah.

Both great games.

Yeah.

Both great games.

Which you would think Fortnite would clear in that one, but people were angry about Portal.

Really?

Yes.

The cake is a lie, right?

That's surprising.

But yeah, that's a controversy.

Yeah, and that video did really well.

It got like 200,000, 300,000 views in like the first couple of days.

And we were like, wow, this is insane.

We gained like 5,000, maybe 10,000 followers after a week or two.

And then we went along and finished the bracket.

So that was the first thing.

And then there was a bunch of different series that really clicked for us.

The Who Am I?

We were guessing people's net worths that that did really well because a couple people that we actually guessed the net worths of, won't mention names, commented on our videos and were like pissed off because the net worths were inaccurate.

But it's like, we're not saying your net worth.

We don't know your net worth.

We're just getting it from you.

I just want to say the name.

Say the names.

Lil Baby.

Oh, he was pissed?

Yeah.

He was like a baby.

He was a way more than 5 million or whatever.

Tana Mogelo.

Yeah, yeah.

What was hers?

It was like at like 5 million, and she was like, okay.

Oh, she makes way more than that.

Yeah, I'm sure she's.

She got some insiders on that one.

I'm sure she does.

I'm sure she does.

Her OF pulls that a year.

Yeah.

I'm sure it does.

I'm sure it probably pulls it in less than a year.

But yeah, there's a bunch of different series that did really well.

And we always try to adapt and make new series.

Every time we do a new series, it does really well because it's just unseen content before.

But yeah, we try to make new series like every probably week that we shoot.

Wow, every week there's a new series?

A new style of video, I would say.

A new different.

Yeah, every podcaster, too.

And it could be like we'll have a conversation here or with one of our friends and something will come out and it'll be like...

Okay, wait, I can actually twist that into an idea.

Like my mind is always in that process of like, would this make good content?

And our podcast is really just two guys who've known each other since first grade hanging out.

Wow.

So, when we, you know, either talking to each other or talking with our friends or family and stuff, like, I was down visiting my family or I saw my family this past weekend at a wedding, got like three content ideas.

It's like you're talking to them, they come up with something, they give you ideas as well.

And, like, you just always have to be in that mode.

Like, let me write this down, and it can make good content.

So, got it.

I think our podcast is the epitome of two guys that were friends for life and just said, and said, what we talk about could be a podcast, which is every group of guy friends you've ever met they said we can start a podcast and we just went along and tried it and we actually it actually ended up working out but I think that pretty much anybody can do it it's we're not special here we just are consistent and we edit well and we have grown our I guess talents with speaking a little bit over the years but yeah I think it's pretty generic yeah and we we failed at a few things before in the past I mean like I had a golf Instagram channel

you were trying a t-shirt line or trick shots and we're like trying to do all different type of stuff separately.

So when we decided, and he texted me about it, he was like, let's do this.

Like, what happened to it?

Why didn't we run with this?

And I was like, I don't have time.

I'm trying to do this, this.

I was always kind of bouncing around.

And

four hours later, I texted him after saying no.

I was like, okay, let's do it.

We filmed the next first video that week, posted it, 500,000 views.

I was like, oh, wow.

I'm like, I guess we got to keep doing this.

This is a good idea.

Worked out.

Yeah.

So something that almost didn't happen or it wouldn't have been me.

i'm happy i that's nice on board you guys must be one of the most viewed tick tock accounts i that's a great compliment no for real because two billion just on youtube i don't know how much you have on tick tock i wish they counted it same like youtube we had someone pull last year and i think it was pretty similar numbers which

was great it's definitely more on tick tock though yeah because we've been doing it longer on tick tock and our following has been higher for longer than youtube but youtube has kicked up i mean youtube is pretty consistent as well so is and now instagram's trying to chug chug along and catch up.

But we'll see where that goes.

What's your favorite platform?

I like YouTube.

I like YouTube because it's like it's there's so many different things you can do with it, like the long form.

We really want to get into more long form videos, and we have started doing that.

We did some basketball videos.

We're going to start doing golf videos, but I think we're going to double down on basketball videos.

We want to get outside the studio and do challenges between me and Zach or me and Zach versus another two others, whether it be a podcast or two influencers or just two guys on the street.

We do want to get outside of the studio, but I think YouTube is the best because you can really do anything you want on there and anything could succeed if you do it right.

Agreed.

I'm on the same page.

Speaking of basketball, who do you guys have winning the playoffs?

Who do you have?

That's a crazy question.

Who do you actually have?

I mean, everybody's saying the Celtics.

Who do you have?

Say who you have.

What?

Who do you have?

Beat Knicks.

The New York Knicks.

Thank you.

No.

I mean, well,

I don't actually think they're going to win.

They're like a 5% chance of winning.

I'm saying the Celtics, but I always like...

The last few years, I feel like everybody said the Celtics.

No, I think the Celtics are winning the NBA championship.

They're too good.

They're too good.

They do have a cakewalk.

They have a cakewalk, and then they'll probably play.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

The Knicks advance.

It's not going to be a cakewalk.

To be fair, the Knicks are injured.

They're hurt.

They're hurt.

Don't get them started.

We talked about it on the podcast yesterday.

He almost ranted for 10 minutes about it.

If they were healthy, I think it'd be a good series.

Yeah, I completely agree.

Which makes me excited for next year.

If they resign OG,

they should.

A one more guy.

They need a bench player.

Do you think they're better with Julius?

I said no.

I say no.

I say they're not better, but they could be the same team, but I don't think they're better, but they could be worse.

I think they're the same.

That's where I put them at.

I don't think they're worse because when he's playing well, the team...

Keyword.

Yeah, he's streaky.

Yeah, I mean, he started the season off horribly.

And everybody was out on him, want him, traded.

I feel like whenever that stirs up, he plays well for a long period of time.

So middle of the season, I mean, he was cooking up.

And once I got OG'd, they had the three of them there for a few games, and they didn't lose.

So do I think they'd be better?

I mean, probably a little bit worse defensively, but

offensively, I think having an extra guy, I mean, you talk about having an extra score.

Random could be some sort of form of that.

So

I'm going to take a sweatshirt off.

It is getting hot in here.

Yeah.

I was sweating on the way here, man.

Oh, look at that.

Oh, what is that?

Oh, he's been working out.

The new merch, the new merch.

Oh, I like that.

Who designed that?

Me.

Wow.

You guys really are guerrilla marketers.

That's everything.

Bootstrapping.

I like that.

We don't like sharing money with other people.

No, we've had some opportunities in terms of the investment front and like look and see and trying to scale and grow it and definitely want to use our own revenue rather than sourcing from someone else to be able to hire people and get it editors, et cetera.

um but we're open to everything i mean the thing we said from the first video was that let's see where this goes and we'll figure it out yeah um we kind of do that from like a business perspective too it's like we listen to every every every opportunity we have we hear them out yeah and we have a general direction of where we want to go and there's a few different paths but um definitely want to you know evaluate everything in the moment rather than just say like okay this is the direct path right yeah so similar to mr b strategy yeah because he's been offered crazy money but he won't take it yeah and we haven't been offered the same money

I wish.

But he did comment on your last video.

He did comment on our last video.

Oh, that was big.

Said he never took an IQ test.

Listen, we would love to do a video with Mr.

Beast.

You guys should all take an IQ test.

We should.

That's what my comment back to him was.

Like, come on the pod and we could take one together.

I think it'd do great numbers.

Yeah.

Well, obviously.

For him, I think it would do pretty good numbers.

Who do you think would get the highest IQ out of you three?

Probably him.

Probably.

And then between me and you, who do you got?

Ooh.

Probably.

See, you were smarter in high school, but you really don't have a lot of common sense sometimes.

Sometimes.

Sometimes.

Sometimes I have, and I figure it out.

I mean, I run the business.

I feel like I'm the business guy.

I agree.

And I think, yes.

If I'm more school smart, you're more common sense smart.

I think so.

So, school smart, I got the IQ test.

If that's accurate, then yeah.

I don't even know what IQ is.

Yeah, I would wonder if school smart translates to IQ test.

Yeah, I wonder.

Because school smart is like just memorization, right?

Yeah.

It's not really practical.

What are the questions on an IQ test?

I also don't know how accurate IQ tests are.

Are they accurate?

We were testing.

To some degree.

So as it goes up, your income generally goes up until the genius level.

Then it dips because geniuses get in their own head too much.

Interesting.

So you want to be like kind of gifted, but not genius if you want to make the most money.

Interesting.

I think about a lot of things.

I overthink a lot.

Maybe I'm everybody.

See, I always say that you can't say you're a genius if you say you're a genius or not a genius.

Fair.

I agree.

Well, he might be, but.

He might be, but if my theory's correct, then he's not a genius.

Oh, God.

Some people think he got cloned.

Have you guys talked about cloning ever?

No, no.

Really?

What's this cloning theory?

I had the founder of The Matrix on my podcast.

She wrote the book 30 years ago.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Oh, that was the clip.

You have that pinned on your.

Oh, that was Billy Carson.

Oh, a different one.

Yeah, different guy.

He's cool, too.

No, she said a lot of celebrities are cloned.

That's crazy.

Yeah, she said Shaquille O'Neal, Kanye, a few other big ones.

Why does she say them?

There's like compilation videos of weird eye twitches and earthings, and she just said it.

So what's the theory behind it?

So why are they cloning?

They spoke out against certain people and they clone them to silence them.

Clone them to silence them.

Yeah.

This is mind-blowing.

I got to dive deeper into this.

Yeah, well, your dad will have a field day.

Oh, my dad's going to eat eat this up.

What does your dad do?

He owns his own business, but he's nothing close to this kind of stuff.

Like, totally different.

He owns an equestrian business.

Oh, yeah.

He's just into conspiracies?

He loves conspiracies.

So does my mom.

They love diving deep into it.

My dad wants to have my dad wants us to do an episode with him and his guy friends while they're having happy hour in my basement.

I think it's an episode.

I think it would be great.

I will say, because my friend cloned his dog, I'd think it's possible to clone a human.

Yeah.

Yeah, you could clone, like, they've done, done like uh what was the they used to do like lambs am I yeah that's where they started because they were like testing to make sure they could do it and then they cloned their dog yep he right before the dog died they took a piece of meat out sent it to some country paid 50 grand same dog acts the same way everything personality is the same yeah personality is the same you think that like brains like am i gonna if i get cloned am i gonna know i'm cloned Like is it still simple?

Is it still me?

Yeah.

Or is it just like a different version of myself?

That's trippy.

You think it's me?

That was a deep thought there, Zach.

Wow.

So you think the dog knows it got cloned?

No, let's get an IQ test.

That was pretty good.

I like that thought.

I wouldn't clone my dog, would you guys?

Nope, because I don't have a dog.

I don't have a dog either, but

if I would have, I wouldn't.

Yeah, I feel like it's there for the moment.

Yeah.

10 years, whatever.

It ruins the appeal.

It's like you develop a relationship with somebody and then you, the reason why you love that dog is because you're not going to be with that dog forever.

Right.

Now here's the real question.

Now you got me thinking.

You ready?

Ready.

I get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Okay.

You cloning me?

Oh,

the podcast would be.

Your business?

For business.

Can I use it as a business write-off?

You could write it off for the business.

I was more so concerned about your friend.

Like, this is your friend.

No, but like,

is the clone going to be you?

Like, I don't know.

I don't know.

It would be exactly him, yes.

You would also be.

Sure.

Wow, he'd do it.

Well, if you're watching this, clone me up.

Can you clone me back with hair?

Can we get some like like

some sort of?

Because then they would know it's not you.

You could get hair surgery.

I can.

Turkey, right?

I'm doing

one of the sprays.

Yeah.

And it's coming back a little bit.

I love his honesty.

That's a good friend right there.

I'm working a little bit.

It's like, you know what?

This is never going to come.

I'll do it.

Oh, gosh.

I'll do it.

Here, I still got the mic.

This isn't going to come back.

That's not going to happen.

This is my family hairline.

Unless you get hair surgery.

Unless unless i get hair surgery but the back

oh the back's not bad and it's because when i do it shorter it's better but as it grows out like i can't grow it out this length i'll look like a fool big mike from uh impulsive got that surgery yes i was i remember watching that when he got it and he said he he went to turkey right and did it yeah and it looks pretty good yeah it looks great on him yeah it's solid you know what i feel like i got a good bald head it's a great content opportunity

no i'm not not for content opportunities.

Go to Turkey and get a hair transplant.

They would comp your whole plan, by the way.

I've been offered stem cells.

I've been offered all sorts of treatment.

Free hair transplants, act.

Now we're free.

Yeah.

I know that.

You guys are in a position to get whatever you want for free.

I don't know if you know that.

Hair transplant.

For free.

Send me the contact.

I got it.

Think about it.

Are we going to Turkey?

If you want to go to Columbia for stem cells, I got you.

I am Colombian.

Oh, yeah?

I got family in Colombia.

Oh, might as well.

We can check this out.

Yeah.

Medellín.

That's where it is.

I actually know.

Yeah.

Now we're here.

Now we're talking here.

Because my mom's uncles, they're also doctors down in Columbia.

Medellín.

Okay.

Maybe they know who you're talking.

Maybe.

Maybe it is them.

Yeah, maybe it's my uncle.

It might be your uncle that I know, yeah, that I'm contractually obliged to.

Who's better at basketball?

So this is a complicated question because we play two different, totally different games.

Zach is more of the hustle type rebounder in the paint player.

he can play outside the paint and you can bring up the ball you're like a stretch four pascal siaco pascal siaco that's my comp yeah i got a mid-range game the three-pointer can be there yes down low post moves when i'm playing often i get people who are slower than me but taller than me i could get around because i'm decently quick but people who are quicker than me usually a little bit shorter and i i could go over got it i feel good down low yeah yeah you are pretty tall yeah my game's a little bit slower my game's a a little bit slower, but more technical.

And I'm lights out from mid-range.

Mid-range is my game.

My little fadeaway mid-range shot.

I shoot the three occasionally.

DeMar DeRosa.

That's my new comp for you.

I don't hate that at all.

We used to say Luka Doncic, because...

But I don't have the three.

I have a three-point shot, but it's not as good as Luca.

But I play similar to how slow Luca plays.

I play like that.

But I like DeMar DeRosa.

Like not the most athletic, quick,

beat someone off the dribble.

I mean, I'm not necessarily.

I'm not fast I'm quick craft okay

but in a one-on-one setting have you ever have you guys ever played we haven't you're gonna have to tune in for it yeah we got to film that we're gonna do it

we might do it this week if not in two weeks okay

do you ever you ever film basketball content I do but I'm not good enough to post it do you like so do you got just how many cameras you got what's going on uh we got two cameras two cameras yeah that makes sense we'll get people to come and film it but yeah I'm looking forward to it yes we played in he used to host a tournament in his driveway every year oh yeah Wow.

And guess who the champion was?

It was you.

Five out of six years.

One-on-one tournament?

Two-on-two.

Okay.

Two-on-two.

I know.

Two on two.

The rule was one player could play high school.

The other player couldn't be a high school player.

So we were the high school players on our team.

And then we teamed up with two other people.

Got it.

AJ got bullied by Vick.

He got bullied.

Yeah.

That's how I started in the driveway, man.

That's where it starts.

Oh, yeah.

That's where it still is.

Yeah.

That's where it still is.

I think anyone can, like, if anyone came to my driveway, I think I could beat them one-on-one.

You don't have a driveway.

Well, yeah, I don't have a driveway anymore.

But

you know, it's like something about the home setting.

Yeah.

Like, if we host that tournament at my house, maybe it's a different story.

I'd see my hoop.

I'd be legendary.

No one's ever done a driveway basketball video.

Well, it's going to happen.

It's 100%.

Bring back the tournament from high school.

What other sports do you guys play?

I play basketball and football.

I did basketball, baseball.

No, pickleball?

I really want to get into pickleball.

I love.

So I started playing tennis, not seriously, just casually with my girlfriend um but i would love to play pickleball okay i would love to get into it my family down they live in florida so they're playing pickleball like every night now um

so when i go down there i play and then sometimes occasionally up here in like hoboken i'll i'll get something going but i'm not an avid player but and then big golfer oh yeah we just we just came back from a golf trip oh yeah um yeah it was it's so much fun he got me into golf two years ago and i've been playing ever since he's been golfing for a while wow since i was like 13.

no he's definitely better than me at golf.

That's probably the most useful sport to be good in business.

That's what, and I'm happy I started at a young age.

My biggest regret in life is I didn't pick up a golf club when I was like five.

Whoa.

That's your biggest regret in all of life.

Ever.

No, because it's just frustrating.

That is a privileged answer.

But what it is, it's a frustrating sport, but also like when you play well, it's so satisfying.

I feel that.

And they'll make the comparison to bring it back to the content of the business world, right?

So you post some videos, you've reached some viral, 15, 20 million views on a video, you feel great, fantastic.

Once you start dipping down from that, you want to chase that higher up, right?

So you want to be like, I've seen the peak of the mountain.

I'm coming down a little bit.

I want to reach the next peak.

Same thing with golf.

So it's like when I shoot a great score, it's like, yes, I'm really happy in that moment.

And then once I start pulling back, like the better you get, the more frustrating it gets.

So that's why it's a dick game because you just want to chase the best version of yourself that you've been.

Right.

It's like Fortnite when you get a 20-kill game, you just want it again.

I've never won a solo game.

What?

I know.

That's another content idea.

At least I'm honest about it.

I could lie and just say I have.

Okay.

Well, play with me and we'll win duos.

Deal.

Yeah.

I'm top 5,000 in the world.

Really?

Yeah.

Which is decent, actually.

It sounds not that good now that I said it.

No, that sounds amazing.

There's like millions and millions of players.

Yeah.

All right, we're playing.

Your builds?

I do no build.

No build?

Fuck that, dude.

Those kids are sweaty.

Try hard.

That's crazy.

That's crazy to have you.

My brother's

computer.

What do you guys play on?

i play on xbox okay but my brother's a big gamer he plays six siege now six siege rainbow six siege oh i've heard of that yeah it's what like jinxy plays and all them yeah what do you think of live streaming is that something you guys would ever consider yeah we would love to get into live streaming we want to start getting into like some gaming or some challenges live stream kind of like jersey jerry at barstool how he did like the uh hole in one challenge like not stopping a live stream until he hits a hole in one on a simulator stuff like that i think would be like our audience would eat that up um

we would love to get into that kind of stuff gaming challenges and then 2v2 or or reacting to things live stream would be I think it'd be great I want to bowl a 300 on a live stream whoa so you're nice at bowling

like a 190 200 hour damn yeah which

I've I've gotten decently close set like seven straight strikes to start a game and then spared and then had like another turkey But if we do a live stream, you just reset it.

Like say, like once I don't have it, reset the game.

Right.

12 straight strikes.

Yeah, you just reset the game.

Have you ever done it off like a 300?

No.

Okay.

My highest is 271.

That is crazy.

And then we got to do a whole-in-one challenge.

Oh, yeah.

But we would love to do a whole-in-one challenge on a live stream until we hit hole-in-one on a real par 3.

Like, not on a simulator.

If we could, like, pay or like get, we shout out a golf course or something.

How about the win?

The win in Las Vegas.

Yeah.

They'll listen.

I could set that up.

Actually, I ought to know because people pay a lot.

They might be pissed at you guys.

Shut down one.

Well, that's the big thing.

It's like, like, I think people would be open to it, but to shut down the course.

Yeah, because that course brings in really so much money.

Did you guys see the barstool free throw live thing?

Yes.

That was cool.

Yeah, that was cool.

77 free throws in a row.

We want to do stuff like that, like the barstool stuff.

We need to outsource a little bit to get some help for that kind of stuff.

Do they still have their office out here?

Yeah, they do.

Oh, they do?

Yeah.

I think it's still the same office.

They redid the Chicago one, but I think they still have

the same office.

Yeah.

You guys got to collab with them.

I know.

I know.

I know.

We're collabing with John Boy today, John Boy Media.

And then

we're doing some stuff with Gary Vee.

And then

we're trying to make our way around the New York influencers, around the New York companies.

Over time, we're doing stuff with them.

Nice.

So we'll get to Barstool eventually.

You had KFC on recently.

I did, yeah.

That was a fun one.

That was in Vegas.

In Vegas, yeah.

He came for the Super Bowl.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome.

I can't.

Can't justify that price point.

$10,000.

I love live sports.

Actually, no, I don't like live football, to be honest.

Really?

No.

I like the tailgate telegraph.

I'm with you.

I'm like, yeah, if I could just go to the tailgate, I don't have to go to the game.

Right.

If I can go to the tailgate and teleport back to my couch for the game,

that's the optimal setup.

Because the stadium, you can't see shit.

Yeah, it's tough.

If you have enough superpower, which would it be?

Superpower?

Ooh.

I think it's teleportation.

I would probably agree because for business, that'd be amazing.

Yeah, it would be amazing.

It'd be the best.

Yeah, because you could film podcasts everywhere.

Yeah, you could just go.

You could film probably

24 podcasts in a day.

The most I've done is 11 or 12.

Insane.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Definitely don't recommend that.

I don't blame you.

I was yawning the last two guests.

I couldn't even post those episodes.

I felt terrible.

That's tough.

Yeah.

The most we've done in a day is two.

But yours are long, right?

Like two hours each?

Not two hours.

I think when we did that, it was like an hour or 10.

Yeah, I'm going to eat.

I filmed for like an hour, hour, 10, and then usually cut it down on the edit to like

to an hour, 50 minutes.

minutes yeah that's how

yeah mine are like 30 minutes yeah but i only talk like 20 of the episode so

that's why i can do eight straight usually to do it yeah i don't blame you yeah i don't blame you what are your guys future plans for this thing where do you want to see it

I think we have a different, like a bunch of different routes we could go.

And we're thinking about doing the, so one thing that we've always thought about is the barstool model,

where we create this kind of spider web, as I like to call it, where we're makeshift as the center, and then we we branch off and there's a bunch of different podcasts underneath of us.

We sign influencers.

We sign our friends that want to get involved.

We have the business department, blah, blah, blah.

Similar to Barstool, Overtime, House of Highlights, John Boyd, stuff like that.

And then there's other parts of us where we want to just go, me and Zach, just to the moon

and keep it kind of like a Mr.

Beast type thing where it's like, we create this massive following under just the makeshift project.

Do all these videos outside of the studio and inside of the studio have great guests on have great collabs and have like a few people by our sides um that really help us build it up but i don't know everything's tbd right now yeah um right now we're just focused on building the audience creating great merch creating great content um and and collabing with great people that we that we

feel are the same have the same beliefs as us if that makes sense i will say that first option is tough even though barstool made it work they're actually not profitable Really?

Yeah.

So you guys got to be willing to take financial hits to make that model work.

Yeah.

I mean, that's a long-term thing.

I think right now we're definitely focused on option two.

Like that is the goal right now.

I think the goal is to get to the 10 million subscriber mark.

Put the little rocket on the shop.

Oh, I love it.

We're going to the moon.

You're at a million now, right?

We're at 1.2 on

YouTube.

Yeah.

Did you get the plaque yet?

The million one?

Yeah, I did, yeah.

I still haven't gotten mine.

Really?

I got a strike.

Yeah.

What'd you get a strike for?

Dude, they took down the whole video.

It was this guy that drinks his own piss.

Oh, Jesus.

And they just took down the whole thing, got a strike.

And you have to wait like a year to get the plaque after you get it.

That's crazy.

I don't even have my 100K one yet.

Really?

Yeah, because you got to wait a year.

And we went from 100 to a mill in like six months.

That makes sense.

Damn.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Bummer.

Don't have that guy on again, I guess.

No, and it got a lot of views on Instagram and TikTok.

And he drank it on the podcast.

Dude, he not only drank his own pee.

Oh, he drank my producer's pee.

And it was this girl that did a lot of drugs the night before, and her pee was super dark.

Like she was dehydrated.

He drank the whole thing and then put the pee on his face.

Oh, God.

That's crazy.

Is that the craziest podcast that we've ever filmed?

It's got to be one of them.

I've had a lot of crazy ones, though.

Yeah.

That's up there.

How many episodes have you filmed?

750.

Wow.

That's very amazing.

Approaching 1,000.

Damn.

I saw you guys are approaching 100, which is

big milestone.

I think 0.1% of podcasts get to 100.

Yeah, I was looking at that.

And same thing with like subscriber counts.

It's like, it's to get to a million followers or a million subscribers on YouTube is like an incredible feat.

It's like one in 708,000 people or something.

Yeah.

I was on social blade.

Just being at a million, you're in the top 1,500 in the world, which is crazy.

It's very impressive.

Kudos to all of us.

Yeah.

We did it.

Look it up.

You guys are just starting, I feel like, to be honest.

Yeah, we are just starting.

That's what the hope is.

And that's like doing more stuff like this.

And thanks so much for having us on and everything.

Hopefully, it expands our brand.

And you talk about that vision in terms of where we want to go.

It's like it's Brian and Zach, but also makeshift.

So turning people from just viewers to fans and then also building a community around it, I think is really the direction we want to go.

I feel like we're somewhere probably at that second stage, but that community aspect, it's like, well, are you a makeshifter or whatever we want to call it?

Yeah.

Ooh, makeshift.

I like that.

That's off the dome.

Yeah, you got to take a high IQ here.

Yeah, you have to stay.

Add in the R.

It's pretty easy, bro.

Anything else you guys want to close off with?

That was fun.

Yeah.

No, I think we're good.

No, I mean,

we have the new merch.

We got a lot more videos that we got going.

And long form, trying to build the long form out, and then the shorts are always going to be there.

Stay tuned for Brian vs.

Zach 1v1 in basketball.

Oh, stay tuned.

We'll link it below.

Thanks for coming on, guys.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, I'm Don.

Do it.