Evolution vs. Creation: Who's Right? | Harry Paul Davies & Gavin Mayo DSH #704

Do you really think that you can like I just pulled up pictures of viruses they do not exist they are not

they are not something that you can see under a microscope viruses exist it is something within your body to clean your body obviously it's a thing but it's not something you look at under a microscope it's not something you can contract it's not something you should be scared of killing bacteria killing virus equals killing yourself see viruses under microscopes all right so find me one and show me

All right guys, first ever debate on the show.

We got Gavin Mayo versus Harry Paul Davis here today.

Give you guys some context.

They are friends, but they disagree on a lot.

So I think it'll be fun today.

I think it will be.

Agree.

For me.

Let's start off this thing with health because you guys have totally different viewpoints.

You eat McDonald's every day or.

Well, I mean, for reference, on the way here, I bought two slices of pizza from 7-Eleven, a white monster, and a banana breast.

It was delicious.

Well, yeah,

they taste great.

I'm not saying that you can't do that.

But you're more on the nutritional side, right?

Well, I'm more on the side of, again, like I do things that aren't good for me.

I smoke cigars.

I smoke shisha i drink alcohol sometimes i don't think there's anything wrong with anybody doing that everyone does their own i'm just here to argue the facts of things so whether i do it or not doesn't really matter we're just here to talk about yeah like you can say that pizza is not good for you i think we'd all agree with that so

depends what we are in disagreement with i don't think eating pizza is bad well i don't think it's good for you but i don't think it's a bad thing like everyone does it whatever i've had pizza before in terms of longevity though do you think that will impact your health in the long term no I don't don't massively think so because I'm generally healthy I go to the gym every day I mean maybe when I get older potentially but for now I don't see I don't see the the issue being as huge where I'd stop I'd stop doing it and I'd I'd change diet yeah but you think you're healthy how do you know I am I if we go because you feel good if we go to if we go to let's say a pharmacist tomorrow and we do one of those machines which measures you know muscle muscle mass index etc etc I don't believe in any of that though

How can you not believe in that?

There's a clear thing.

But there's a

clear line between the amount of fat on your body, the amount of muscle on your body.

Do you think fat is a bad thing?

Oh, Jesus Christ.

Okay,

explain to me why, in your opinion, Gavin, that you think that fat is not a bad thing.

How do you soak up industrial toxins in today's day and age?

Would you agree that the hair quality is terrible and a lot of things we do are terrible for us?

How do you

feel like all of this?

I feel like all of this industrial toxin, heavy metals and vaccines, I feel like it's one big psyop.

I genuinely believe that.

I think it's a psyop too, in the wrong way.

Well, I think the opposite way.

Let's do vaccines because I feel like that's definitely something that we massively disagree on.

Now, for reference, I didn't have the vaccine, but that's more so because I don't like needles.

I'm not a needle fan.

But you weren't afraid you were going to get sick.

No, I wasn't afraid of a vaccine.

No, because you must be vaccinated from when you were a child.

You have to have been.

Yeah, of course.

That's why I've been trying to fix my health but a lot of people i have cousins that weren't that feel differently but let me ask you this would you drink ether liquid mercury formaldehyde would you drink those no

so why would you inject it into your body because of the amount if it's very if it's if it's a very very tiny amount so the reason you're getting a vaccine is to prevent you getting a a disease right

vaccines do work the reason that's to cure you of a disease that you've never even gotten before it's just fear-mongering that's not the case at all measles mummzverella in the uk massive, massive epidemic.

They introduced a vaccine, measles, muzzrabella gone.

It's known.

You can't know.

You can't argue back to every single point who told you that.

Because then, nothing.

I mean, you can't argue that injecting liquid mercury into your body is in what you're doing.

In that case, I could say to you, well, I don't believe liquid mercury is in vaccines.

Let's just talk about this.

What is a vaccine and why are they created?

Right.

Vaccines are.

Do you think they're there to create a creative?

Vaccines go back to 1796.

Edward Jenner, okay, realized that the milkmaids that got cowpox did not.

I know it all matters.

Of course,

so therefore,

you accept that's a thing.

Yeah, you accept that happened or not?

Yeah, of course, but it doesn't mean he's right.

It doesn't matter how the vaccine was created.

I'm saying, is a vaccine healthy for you?

That's all we have to talk about.

Yes.

Is a vaccine healthy for you?

So why would you not drink?

liquid mercury from aldehyde, ether, all the stuff in vaccines, but you would inject it in your body, whether it's in 0.0001 milligram, tilogram, filogram, whatever it is, versus

your argument you make to me, okay, where's the proof that liquid mercury is in vaccines?

What do you mean?

It's known.

I just, I can name it.

You just said that I can't use points that are known either.

So,

it's not a thing where it's like, oh, measles is an epidemic.

That's just someone's opinion.

So, you believe that

you believe vaccines as a whole should not exist.

Nobody should be vaccinated when they're born.

We should just be left.

100%.

That's ridiculous.

There's nothing more toxic that you can inject in your human body than vaccines.

Autism is caused by vaccines.

Disease is caused by vaccines.

Why did you not get the COVID vaccine if you're so nervous about it?

I'm not nervous about it.

I just don't, I don't like needles.

Oh, you just don't like needles.

So a lot of people, they got it because what is the most profitable thing in the world?

Making someone get something that they don't need and fearing them into it.

If I told a person on the street right now, listen, if you do not drink this formaldehyde, mercury, and ether, you're going to die.

They might, oh, okay, okay, okay, give it to me.

But if I tell them, hey, drink this, drink this liquid mercury, they might be like, I'm good.

But if you fear people into doing something so you and then you make them pay you for it that's all it is it's the same thing with rabies rabies doesn't exist it's all vaccines it's money to give to these vaccine companies it's a hundred billion dollar a year industry for rabies vaccines for dogs and cats you are forced i don't even have an animal but i know and my girlfriend has an animal and all this stuff you are forced to get your dogs and cats vaccinated in the U.S.

Why would they do that?

If you look down a microscope now, okay, at the rabies virus, okay, you look down, you see it there.

You don't believe that.

It's not a virus.

You cannot catch a virus.

It's not alive.

It's the same thing if I put whatever,

trigonosis, parasite, or they exist.

You cannot catch a virus.

No, you cannot.

Have you ever seen a virus?

Oh, they're all AI generic.

No, no, no.

AI generic.

You've never seen one under a microscope.

You've seen bacteria under a microscope.

You can still have a virus.

A virus is not alive.

There is no.

What about that?

I can Google right now.

Let's just check here.

Let's Google this right now.

So you believe you can't.

Viruses don't exist, in your opinion.

Virus.

Picture of a virus.

Picture.

That's weird.

Do any of these look like something that you see under a microscope?

This is all AI-generated.

What the fuck is this?

Type in.

What is this?

Type in under a microscope.

That probably is from a microscope.

No.

You don't believe that you can catch viruses.

No, I don't.

They're not alive.

There's not even really a combat to that because it's such a problem.

People think that bacteria and viruses equals bad.

Bacteria and viruses equals good in my eyes.

It is good for your body.

It is the soap to clean your body.

When you throw up in a petri dish and you take it to a lab, there's going to be heavy metals, toxins, industrial chemicals in that throw-up.

When you get sick, it is not bad.

You are not catching something.

You cannot catch a cold.

You cannot catch the flu.

You cannot catch this disease.

It is not.

How would you explain?

How would you explain?

Let's say the person next to you has a cold next week you have a cold way as

two trees leaves fall off one tree at the same time as the other you could argue the same thing when everyone was sick with covid why was every single person in the world not sick at the same time oh because i guess because i call

it you can transmit a disease so if it was true for one why would not be true with all my girlfriend had covid and i didn't catch covid and i was kissing her So why did I not catch COVID?

Because it's not the same with every person.

It only transmits sometimes.

That's common minds, though, Galaxy.

I don't believe that you can catch a virus.

I don't believe you can catch bacteria.

I don't believe they're bad for you.

That's the whole point that I'm making is this whole thing is constructed, whether they're doing it for profit or they're doing it just because they're wrong.

Because remember, germ theory wasn't a thing until, I don't know, maybe 200 years ago.

When you look under a microscope and you see, let's say, bacteria.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

I'm just saying it's not harmful.

And I'm not saying that it is not in your body.

Let's take salmonella, for example.

I eat raw chicken.

Everyone's like, but salmonella, you might die.

You have salmonella in your gut right now.

If you throw up in a petri dish, we can do the little science thing.

We can go to a lab and you will have salmonella in that throw up somewhere along the lines.

Whether it's a lot or a little, salmonella is a good thing.

It helps your body, helps digest things.

It's not a bad thing.

And when you get sick and you have diarrhea, that's not bad.

That is your body's way of soaping and detoxing and cleaning the body out.

The more sick you get and the more often you get sick means you're probably unhealthy and you need to detox more often.

People didn't get sick thousands of years ago.

Let's just say Black Death, for example, this big disease that happened.

Do you know why Black Death happened?

Not because they caught it, because people started heating their house with coal.

That's it.

What?

Industrial chemicals, and then people started to detox because of it and they called it a disease.

It's all just one giant.

But this is

the problem we have here, right?

Okay, so that what you've just said there is an opinion.

My opinion on the black death would be yeah, we both have opinions on it.

I'm just thinking about it logically.

My opinion on the black death would be it was a disease caused by fleas that were on rats, on cats, and dogs, and then everybody got the disease.

The problem that we've got with this debate as a whole is that, I mean, I could say anything.

I could say the black death was caused by, I don't know, a magical wizard.

But that's not what we're talking about.

We're just talking about logic.

We're just arguing logic and reason.

But the logic is that.

He really thinks that you can.

I just pulled up pictures of viruses.

They do not exist.

They are not something that you can see under a microscope.

Viruses exist.

It is something within your body to clean your body.

Obviously, it's a thing, but it's not something you look at under a microscope.

It's not something you can contract.

It's not something you should be scared of.

Killing bacteria, killing virus equals killing yourself.

You can see viruses under microscopes.

All right.

So find me one and show me.

Those pictures you just showed there.

3D images of virus.

Let's go.

Go on.

Let's resort to Google if we're going to be doing that.

I mean, we don't have to resort to Google, but these.

Is this look like it's under a microscope?

Let's see.

Virus under microscope.

This definitely is under.

Electron microscope.

Thank you.

I mean, you can check up.

This doesn't necessarily prove or disprove my point or your point.

There we go.

I'm just saying.

Okay, not AI generated.

Virus under an electron microscope.

Is that a virus?

Or is that just a picture coming up on Google?

But

this is a pointless debate.

That could be a bacteria.

I don't know the specific one.

And is that something that's harmful?

That's the point I'm making.

And that's what I'm talking about.

You're saying viruses are harmful and you need to be taking a vaccine.

There's nothing more toxic for you than injecting something into your body that you do not need.

It's all for profit.

That's my first point.

And my second point is you do not have to fear viruses.

You don't have to fear bacteria.

Go play in the mud.

Let your kids cough on each other and get sick, whatever.

It's good for them.

Those are my two points.

So what do you disagree with those two points?

I disagree on the fact that certain diseases require vaccines because they are especially dangerous, okay?

And that is a fact.

I link back to what I said before, measles measles in the UK.

Is it a fact?

Or is that just what I'm telling you?

Measles in the UK killed millions of children.

That's a known fact.

I know people.

Well, so does cancer.

It kills millions of people.

Cancer comes from industrial toxins.

So does every disease.

It is all caused by the body detoxing.

If you have an inability to discard those dead cells, they will accumulate.

You will get sick and you will die.

So millions of kids are dying in the UK of measles.

Measles vaccine.

Now they're immune to measles.

Now it's not a thing anymore.

And they're not dying anymore.

So

logic is a little bit different.

It's the same thing as black death.

It can move on to another disease.

Now they're saying that whatever.

The flu could just be black death.

Logic would dictate that the virus, because we're both logical, your logic would dictate that the virus, okay, is no longer a thing because everyone's vaccinated against it.

Okay.

And that now...

Who said it's no longer a thing?

Doctors with vaccines, they say it's cured now.

Thank you for the vaccine.

Now you're cured.

You're just, you're going off of just common knowledge from the medical industry.

That's all you're going off of.

I'm telling you that I disagree with everything within the medical industry.

So again, it goes back to the point.

But you don't have to

back it up.

This is what I just told you a fact.

Would you drink liquid mercury, ether, and detergent?

That's what's in a vaccine.

That is a fact.

If you want to go find out,

I will bet you

that's a good idea.

What's in a vaccine?

A vaccine by design, okay, as it was created hundreds of years ago, it's a very small amount of disease.

I know, I know, I know how vaccines were.

Going on about liquid mercury curing autism, it's just bollocks.

Okay, is liquid mercury and vaccines yes or no?

I don't know.

Okay, I do know, and it's a yes.

If you think no, then we're not ever going to agree.

It is not healthy.

On to the next point.

What was the other point that you disagree with that I'm wrong about?

That bacteria and viruses are dangerous.

I don't believe they're dangerous.

So we can go off and talk on all these different topics and go off on a tangent of different things.

Vaccines are dangerous.

That's my stance.

Bacteria and viruses are not dangerous.

That's my stance.

So what do you disagree?

We're already

vaccines we're not going to agree.

Let's go one of the most dangerous: the Ebola virus, right?

Okay, literally causing people to start fucking bleeding from their eyes and shit.

You mean one person that caught the Ebola virus in the US and made everyone freak out about some crazy disease coming and killing you?

It was in Africa.

There's no disputing that.

Maybe.

Same thing as AIDS.

Which is still in the US and in Africa.

Or do you believe in AIDS?

I believe AIDS was created by the government to kill gay people.

Oh, my God.

On to the next topic.

It's hard to have an argument about it is hard, but it sounds like I'm saying crazy stuff.

But again, this is all

a lot of your thinking is just based off of common knowledge and the medical industry that I just disagree with.

And we can go and

go around the rosy for hours.

Yeah, but do you really believe in the whole science thing and the stuff?

I don't believe in that stuff.

You think that me saying I don't believe in science is crazy, but all this science crap, they say science tells you that a vaccine vaccine is good for you.

I don't believe that.

And I think

it's the same thing with science.

They can say that cigarettes are good for you, like they did in the 1930s.

And then 30 years later, it comes out it's actually bad for you.

It's the same thing happening right now with the COVID vaccine.

It's all the same.

The same ingredients are in the COVID vaccine.

Actually, pre-2000 vaccines had even more liquid mercury.

So if you're taking the COVID vaccine, you're taking the same vaccines you had pre-2000.

It's all the same.

All vaccines are bad.

I would hope you would agree on that.

And most people in the audience would.

I don't think that's anything too crazy.

And viruses and bacteria, I don't think, are dangerous.

So if you disagree with that, I guess on to the next point.

We probably won't make much weigh on there.

Do you want to conclude or do you want to go on to the next one?

Yeah, I believe that, look, okay, what you're saying about the COVID vaccine, et cetera, it's isolated cases.

Okay, somebody took the COVID vaccine, they got ill.

But you could settle that with anything.

You could say somebody ate raw meat and then they became one.

Oh, but you're going to say that's a good thing, of course.

Well, it's not necessarily isolated cases.

It's the fact that they injected themselves with toxic elements that if I went to you on the street instead of drink it, you would never do it.

But people are injecting their body, whether it's 0.001 grams or 0.1 grams.

It's all toxic.

There is nothing, it is so hard to get mercury out of the human body.

Now, that's what I've been doing the past two years: actually removing all these heavy metals that I got vaccinated as a child and through different foods and just whatever, just growing up, chlorine.

So, how is your heavy metal content at the moment?

How do you test it?

Do you blood tests or what?

I don't, I don't need to blood test it.

It's you just know from getting sick, you know from

feeling better.

I mean, in the first couple of months I died, I felt terrible, but you just have to trust the process and you have to look at other people's results within the community.

And that's all it is.

We don't.

Yeah, but you're not basing it on anything.

You're basing it on

how I feel.

Exactly.

And how other people have done it.

And how other people have been curious.

Your mercury content could be extremely high.

No, you don't know because you never tested for it, no?

Am I right in saying that?

You've never tested for your heavy metal mercury content.

I don't believe in blood tests.

Okay.

None of this stuff is crazy.

If you believe that, yeah, every single time you get a blood test, all this stuff, it's going to tell you your chronological age and your test tossed and all this, your blood constantly changes.

It constantly changes.

You cannot test it in a smart manner and make any sense of it.

It's all crap.

It's all just, everything's for profit at the end of the day.

Right, on to the next point.

So I have 9-11 here, but you guys actually agree on that one.

Oh, yeah, we both agree on 9-11.

So what's your stance, just so people watching this can know it?

It was just a terrorist attack.

So nothing malicious?

No.

Okay.

Same thing with the whole Netanyahu stuff happening now.

No government would risk

fucking up their reputation and causing a potential civil war over killing.

You really think George Bush is sitting there like, oh, yep, let's kill all these people in a tower.

Ridiculous.

People are just retarded.

Okay.

Any other conspiracies you guys actually believe in, though?

I believe in a ton of conspiracies.

I mean, people call them conspiracies, but actually, to be honest, I think 99% of conspiracies on the internet are retarded.

But, yeah, I mean, I believe in different things that I wouldn't, people don't really call conspiracies.

But yeah, for the most part, I mean, what are common conspiracies that I would argue was wrong?

Trying to think.

What's conspiracy?

I don't know what people talk about.

Holocaust not being real?

I don't think the Holocaust isn't necessarily real.

It definitely happened, but.

Oh, we're not going to talk about this too much.

No, no, no.

Skip idea.

That's a deep one.

Yeah, what are some common ones?

We talked about Flat Earth.

I mean, that's one.

Yeah, that's boring.

Government programming.

Yeah, so I don't think there's people sitting in a room around a table like, oh, yeah, let's create COVID and make them submissive.

And there's not some person that runs the world.

Everyone's like, oh, the Rothschilds run the world.

The Rothschilds don't run anything.

They just own a few wineries in France, and everyone thinks they're running the world and puppet stringing.

The people that run the world is this.

Ken Griffin.

He writes all the options, puts, and call contracts.

And Larry Fink.

Those two people run the world.

That's simple.

And the feds.

That's it.

Not George Soros?

George Soros, one of them.

Those people are the top of the top people.

But they're not Illuminati.

They don't sit there and they're not Illuminati.

They're not fucking with people.

They're just the richest people in the world and they get anything they want.

Larry Fink wants to tax Bitcoin at 80%.

Done.

They can do what they want when they want.

But they're not sitting there like fucking with the population.

Religion, where do you guys stand there?

I'm not religious whatsoever.

Don't know about you.

I'm religious in a different way than a lot of people would think.

I grew up super strict Catholic, but I do believe there is some God somewhere along the line.

And as a logical person, it would be stupid to not believe in God.

The only logical thing would be to believe in it and follow his teachings because you have everything to lose by not believing it, but

everything to gain by believing in it.

So let's just say God doesn't exist and you did all of his teachings and there's nothing to lose.

But let's say God does exist and you don't do his teachings and you have everything to lose.

So you might as well just follow his teachings.

See, I disagree on that, obviously, because in the industry, I mean, it's probably is, as you would say, as everyone loves to quote on Twitter against God's teachings.

So, I mean, I mean, I'm not saying you have to go to church and like, like, dress up in a pope outfit, but you, if you're just a good person and don't ever commit a moral sin, then probably will go to heaven if there's a heaven and that's all you need to do in life.

People get too much into this whole like religion thing, especially these like Palestinian israel catholics it's just all like they're just all so annoying some of them are cult like in my opinion yeah it's just yeah it's just a cult like anything else so would you label yourself as atheist i'd say so i don't feel overly strongly i mean in my opinion people can believe what they want of course it's a fucking free country at the end of the day and i guess the the teachings of religion are generally a good thing you know okay treat others as you would like to be treated you know be be a generally good person be an upstanding citizen personally i don't believe that there is a god but i mean i'm not going to go around telling people not to follow it because of my own personal beliefs.

At the end of the day, the teachings are there, and I guess they're a good way to live your life.

So if you want to live like that, and you'll probably change your mind.

I'll probably change my mind, and everyone will probably change their mind throughout time.

I mean, some people don't believe in God till they're 50, so people look too much into it, have your own faith.

As long as you just do good, it doesn't matter if you believe in them.

The religion argument's kind of boring, to be fair.

Yeah.

Makes sense.

Let's talk dating because you're both in your 20s, young 20s, both self-made millionaires.

Do you guys have similar views with dating?

You go first.

Well, what's your view on dating?

I don't obviously don't have a girlfriend right now.

I mean, it would be good to find.

We do actually have a fairly, because we were discussing this in car yesterday.

I mean, yeah, if I'm going to find somebody to date kind of long term, it would be ideal if that person had never been with anyone else, whatever.

But I do believe that the whole red pill space of, oh, I can only marry a Virg, it's becoming ridiculous.

And what you also find is nowadays that they don't.

They don't even believe that, though.

Well, the guys that do believe that now, because they've been preached about it by certain figures on the internet, you're going to have 90% of guys eventually, oh, I'll only marry a Virgin.

There's supply and demand i mean basically all these red pill guys on twitter and all the tight suit guys that talk about the brotherhood and smoke cigars they're all losers for the most part and all their girlfriends are fucking ugly so

the issue is these people are coming from a place of they have no experience or they have ugly wives or whatever it is i mean whatever let's just put looks out the window i mean a lot of these guys are it's it's like those those memes where it's like yeah when the bitches show up at the party they're like

a lot of those guys are like that they like to talk a big game and then you know you're like, well, that girl's hot.

Go talk to her.

And they're like, oh, so, yeah, I mean, as far as dating and everything, I think the whole just going around and fucking a bunch of chicks is kind of retarded.

There's no point.

Why would you fuck a bunch of fours?

And you should mainly just be trying to find someone to raise your kids.

And you should try to have as many kids as possible, whether that's with 10 women or one woman or whatever, people each their own.

But yeah, you should have as many children as possible because when you die, no one will care about you except for your family.

It's more from a time perspective, really.

If you're spending all of your time going around sleeping with different women, whatever, whatever, it's just

exactly, but you're not going to be as focused on your business.

Yeah, but if you're rich, who cares?

I know guys that just come from rich families that just, they're just, there's nothing to worry about and they'll just fuck like 100 chicks a year and go to Russia and go to Brazil and just, that's their life.

It's like a hobby.

Same thing as like if your hobby is racing cars or gambling, like it's just what they do.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, but I would say a lot of these guys, they try to act so cool, like, oh, your girlfriend should be a virgin.

But there probably is some truth to it that as a a guy, you shouldn't go around and have like a 30 body count, 50 body count.

Like you should only probably have a body count with people that are, you know, real and that you actually love and whatever.

I don't believe in what you said about the

DNA remaining, though.

That was a wild statement.

How's that wild?

Because, right, we're going to have to go back to the whole scientific element, right?

Let's take IVF, right?

You know what those, obviously.

So you have an egg, okay?

You have the sperm.

It's not natural.

One sperm fertilizes the egg.

There you go.

You have the child.

There's absolutely no anything to back up what you're saying about DNA being.

No, no, it's a known thing.

People talk about it all the time.

I know people talk about it, but there's nothing to back it up.

I mean,

one sort of backup that it isn't true.

Because you can look at it under a microscope.

You can see it with your own eyes.

So, again, you're going back to the whole science argument and doctors telling you this and that.

It's just if a guy sprays his DNA inside of a woman, it will stay within the mucous membranes.

It's the same thing if you

sprayed some shit in your body.

It's going to stay there, if it's meant to stay there.

Your body's not going to reject it, especially one of the one things that give you life.

It's not going to reject that sperm.

It's going to stay in your body.

You can watch it happen.

If we went to an IVF.

I mean, just ask your mom, say, hey, mom, like, how many guys you dated, what'd they look like?

And then look at your dad and be like, hmm, like, why does he have black, high, and blue hairs?

And I have

different features.

But that's so situational because you could look exactly like your parents.

It's just an interesting theory.

I mean, obviously, it's the same thing as flat Earth.

It's not something we can know 100% for sure, but I do believe that

what is it, telegamy?

It's called telogamy.

You can look it up, do your own research, and maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

But a lot of these things that I think it's kind of hard to even debate about people.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, that's one of those subjective things, right?

Now, one of you does believe in evolution, and the other one doesn't.

So that's something we can debate, though.

Oh, you believe that we came from monkeys?

Yeah.

And that dinosaurs and all this stuff exists.

Yeah.

Well, you told me last time.

how many years do you think humans have been around for?

I don't know, maybe five, 10,000 years.

We can't really debate this, though, because you think one thing I think.

There's no way of proving either way.

When was evolution introduced into society?

Well, in the area of Charles Darwin, so around the 1800s.

No, 1959, there was zero evolution talked about in schools.

Then the space race was not.

We're talking about talking about in schools.

But the book was written in the school.

We're just talking about general.

No one 100 years ago thought we came from monkeys.

Charles Darwin was one person, and he was known for being a nutcase.

Now, if you look at what it was actually introduced into society, 1959 during the space race, obviously, if you want people to be on board with the space race, then you want to take religion out of things.

And this is also when people started having premarital sex and drugs started coming in.

Where do you believe humans came from?

Well, if you look in nature, it's very common and a lot of patterns are very common.

So there's probably a common creator.

So humans probably came from whether it's you believe it's God or something.

It's kind of a weird question to answer, but I don't believe that we started off as this microscopic thing, and then we grew into a tadpole, and then we were in the ocean, and then we were a shark, and then we became a monkey, and then

somebody, someone, someone could argue that's more logical than there being a so-called creator.

That's more logical

because it makes more sense than there being a creator, in my opinion.

I don't, I don't believe that.

Scientific arguments are a bad bang.

I don't believe that we're traveling thousands of miles through space.

That's just something that just doesn't make sense to me.

I think humans have been around, yeah, for 5,000, 10,000 years.

Trusting.

What about the ancient civilizations that they teach about?

That's fine.

They're like Egypt, 5,000 years.

Maybe when Jesus was born, you can go back and you can see coins made then, all that stuff.

And again, you can look at fossils and all that stuff, but is that from?

10 million years ago, 70 million years ago, 100.

Oh, yeah, this fossil was from 60.25 million years ago.

Think about it.

how can you actually know that exists and the first dinosaur ever sold in auction was sold for a million dollars so it's probably one of those things just started as profit just like anything else that i'm arguing do you believe dinosaurs existed yeah okay so you got a different i believe giants existed and then they talk about that within the bible as well so those bones that you find

i see in like giant humans what's yeah

okay

100

interesting i also believe humans used to live to 900 plus years old

that's a hot take I mean, it's not really.

I mean, Noah in the Bible,

they talk about it in the Bible.

Noah lived to be 900 plus years old, and they say life expectancy is going up, but it's actually going down.

You can go to obituaries.

Again, I think I post this on Twitter.

You can go on Google right now, go into obituaries.

Again, I don't like to use Google as a source, but go into obituaries from London in the 1500s and see people that live to 200, 300 years old.

Now, today, no one's going to do that because of all the industrial toxins and the 5G and just terrible world as far as health-wise but if you lived in a society with none of that stuff existing and you ate completely healthy humans could probably live to a couple hundred years old maybe 500 plus thousand plus whatever it is just like animals in the ocean with no toxicity live to the greenland shark 500 years old apparently whether they can measure that or not but yeah i believe now there's microplastics

is going down yeah now there's microplastic in the ocean which you don't believe in right microplastics no i don't believe that's a thing i think it is what do you think microplastics like plastic in the ocean Like plastic water bottles?

Yeah, obviously plastic in the ocean.

Yeah, but

I believe microplastics are a thing.

I just feel that drinking from a plastic bottle isn't a okay.

So what is water?

Crazy.

Let's talk science.

What's water?

H2O.

No, it's a solvent.

So what does a solvent do?

It leaches.

And what would plastic sitting in a bottle do over time?

It would leech.

I agree.

No, no, I agree.

Microplastics.

Don't get me wrong, but I feel like the effects of drinking the microplastics, whatever.

So you don't feel like drinking plastic is in any way every single day for, let's just say, your whole entire life, 50 years, 60 years, is going to be harmful to you in any what way?

Not particularly, no.

But it's the same

thing.

It's the same argument of you saying that humans

in a thousand years or vaccines.

It's personal.

Yeah, I mean, I can't change your mind on that.

Same thing with vaccines.

Like, I would say that's unhealthy.

I would say plastics are unhealthy, but I guess that's just opinion.

That's one of those things.

You'd have to have a health scare for it to kick in, I think.

Maybe.

Yeah, man.

When you're 40 or something, you'll probably probably like your doctor will tell you I have gallbladder cancer and you'll call me up and be like, I don't want to go to the hospital and get chemo in me.

I don't think that'll happen.

No, anything's possible.

You guys talk about politics at all, or you stay away from it?

Don't think we ever really have.

I don't know enough about U.S.

politics.

I'm not.

I'm not.

I just hate

all groups of people, Democrats, conservatives, liberals.

They're all just idiots.

Right-wing.

But yeah, I'm right-wing.

Like, I love Trump.

That's all I really like.

I don't like really any other Republicans.

Like Trump, for him to win the election, I think some things are going to have to happen.

But yeah,

Trump's a beast.

That's all I know.

We'll end off with how we ended yours, Gavin.

Arm gets chopped off.

What are you guys doing?

Probably going to a hospital and getting my arm stitched up or reattached, if that's a logical option.

Probably the worst thing you could do.

Of course, Gavin, what would you do?

I'll douse it in alcohol, kill all the bacteria that's there to make the wound better.

Sterilize the wound, yeah.

It's generally.

Again, let me just come back to the idea of is bacteria bad for you?

That bacteria is what's going to be.

It's really, it's an argument of science against what you believe.

Oh, what you're believing in is not science.

What you're believing in is medical industry.

So, what would you do if the arm gets chopped off?

I would put butter, honey, and raw meat on it.

So, you would take a steak or whatever, and you would strap it to your chopped-off arm.

Yeah.

Okay.

I feel like this is a good thing.

I mean, that's the best way to heal it.

How would putting alcohol on it and them giving you a bunch of drugs heal it?

How would putting raw meat on it heal it?

Overall, meat's natural.

Why would you, it's just like ingesting anything and using stuff in your hair and all this.

I would never, if you can't eat it, don't put it on your body.

So

that's all I would do.

Butter, honey, they have a bunch of enzymes and bacteria to rebuild the skin.

And I've seen it happen with other people.

And that's basically what I would do.

So, Harry, would you say you are pro-Western medicine?

Yes, I'd say generally, medicine is a positive thing.

Oh, God.

I think medicine is what's killing everyone, and it's all for profit.

There's nothing more profitable than telling people that you need to take a pill to cure something that doesn't exist, and that's how I believe these companies are making billions of dollars.

Joking as I, if you caught a terrible disease, let's say you caught, I don't know,

well, sir, you don't believe it exists, but let's say you become very, very unwell i would do exactly what i'm doing now and go even harder with the diet right so you would fix it holistically rather you would take a pill for it okay so let's say i have cancer say somehow a doctor figured out a cancer and i go in and they say okay you need to do chemo what is chemo do you know what chemo does yeah kills kills cancer cells but it also kills every other cell around it So again, this goes back to the argument.

Cancer is not a bad thing.

It is a soap to clip your body.

What is cancer in the medical sense?

If you want to talk medical, an inability to discard dead cells.

When you can no longer discard those dead cells, they accumulate into a tumor and you get disease and you die if it gets too much.

If I had cancer, I would

allow my body to discard dead cells, eat the best foods possible, and cure myself just like 300 plus other people did before this man created the diet and that I follow.

And I have a friend in real life that cured himself of cancer.

There's 300 plus people as well.

I'm not saying that, but what about the millions of people that have also been cured of cancer within

Maybe they didn't have it that bad to begin with.

Everyone has cancer inside them right now.

Cancer cells is in everyone.

So maybe the doctor just fearing them, making them trying to get them to do chemo, telling them they have cancer, even though they feel fine.

They go and they do the chemo and then they come out and they're like, yep, you're good now.

Hey, they never even had it bad to begin with.

Going to a medical institute and doing chemo is the worst possible thing you can do if you have cancer.

I mean, I know multiple people that have cured themselves from the diet, all with 100% success rate.

Well, what if they didn't have cancer?

Because if that's the argument you're making, and they felt terrible and they could barely walk and they were looking for air and could barely eat.

So

we'll finish on this.

So, your point is: if you have cancer, you feel terrible, you're in a really bad way, the solution is to drink raw milk, eat raw meat,

lather yourself in butter, et cetera, et cetera.

100%.

Cool.

If you just eat healthy, you will no longer accumulate dead cells and you will be fine.

It's 100% success rate.

100% success rate.

Well, I would love, this is actually, I mean, this is why I want to do someday.

I want to open up my own village and my own clinics.

And to be honest, I don't even want to talk about this on air because who knows, like, I hope this doesn't go viral.

Like, you understand how profitable the cancer institutes are and all these medical institutes.

If I did even start a clinic and actually was curing people and made it public, then I don't know.

You know, the guy that I follow the diet from was killed.

He fell off his balcony, which just doesn't happen.

Who falls off their balcony and dies?

They broke into his house, vaccinated him twice.

And he's not the type of guy to lie about it.

He's a very honorable guy.

He was curing people for 30 years.

And he's also not like one of those, he wasn't like selling anything.

He wrote in his books, he talked about countless scenarios.

They tried to cut his brakes on his car.

They broke into his house and vaccinated him.

He fell, he finally died when he fell off his balcony.

He was curing people of cancer, and he was going going against pharmaceutical companies like crazy.

He was going against the government with the raw milk ban.

He was going crazy.

So to be honest, yeah, I mean, I would love to do it someday, get 100 people round up and show that I could cure every single person with cancer if they actually follow what I do.

And they do it down with the Gerson Institute, even though I don't agree with what they do.

There's a Gerson Institute, I think, in Mexico.

They just eat a bunch of fruits and vegetables like freaks.

But it is better than going into some

bullshit chemotherapy.

So there already are institutes that help people more than if you were to to get chemo.

If you take 100 people and you had them get chemo, a lot of them would die.

Some of them sure cured, which just means maybe the cancer went away and it would have went away on its own anyways.

And you take 100 people and you do it my way, all 100 people would survive on my end.

I would love to do like some type of bet or like something would be sick.

I would put

money on it.

Hit a Mr.

Beast.

But it's hard.

It's kind of hard.

It's one of those things that's hard to do because it counts on the person too.

Someone could just be too far gone and they just don't listen.

Like this guy, Arginus, that was curing people of cancer.

A few did slip away and died because they didn't listen, they weren't eating, or they said, Oh, you know, screw the diet.

They started getting chemo, and then they did die, and they didn't listen.

But if you follow everything completely, like, I have multiple people, and I have one really good friend of mine that we met through the diet, and he literally doctor said he was going to die, had three months to live.

All he did was eat raw meat, raw milk, had like three different types of bone cancer.

Now he's cured, completely fine.

He's even more autistic than me on the diet.

And yeah, I guess I would follow what I see in the world and what things around me then trust some doctor that's just like surgery.

They want to always operate on you.

They make money.

The doctor doesn't care about you.

They want money.

Now, maybe some doctors are doing it to help or they think they're helping.

My sister's a doctor.

She's a moron and she's vegan.

But I got her to start drinking raw milk and she feels better.

Small mercies.

How do you feel about dentists?

Because we know Gavin's not a fan of dentists.

I mean, I've always like a doctor.

I've never had any dental issue.

I mean, I've got veneers now, admittedly.

I don't know how you feel about them, but I mean, I've always brushed my teeth, my teeth.

I mean, I've never had a cavity or anything at all.

So, you'd agree that dentists are bullshit?

Do you even go to the dentist?

I've been, like, I think, yeah, a couple of times for checkups, but I mean, if you generally keep your teeth clean, you won't get cavities.

I would agree with that, yeah.

I mean, I don't need to brush my teeth to keep them clean.

I just don't have to eat

shit foods and don't have to ruin my enamel and my teeth.

If you don't have a lack of fat, you cannot get a cavity.

It's impossible for me to get a cavity.

And I have perfect teeth, and I've never got braces or anything.

And I'm beautiful.

Well, we'll end it there then.

It's hard to end.

And on a better note than that, guys, thanks for coming on.

That was first debate.

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