How a $600 Course Turned Into $9M Business! | Matt Shields DSH #692

It's interesting how we get attracted to complete opposites of the spectrum.

People will get really involved in one thing and they'll almost feel like they overdo it to where they have to go to the complete other end of the spectrum.

And I think that's kind of what happened to me with surfing: dude, I was working so much.

What if I just surfed the rest of my life?

I went down that extreme and then I realized that's not what I'm here to do.

So, and then it kind of balances out.

All right, guys, Matt Shields from North Carolina, right?

Yes, sir.

Charlotte, Charlotte, 704.

Born and raised?

No, I actually was born in Texas.

Okay.

Moved to Maryland and then came down to Charlotte about 11 years ago.

And that's been your favorite?

It probably has, dude.

I mean, I prefer Costa Rica, like if I could pick anywhere in the world.

But I only lived there for a few months, so Charlotte's cool, man.

I've heard great things about Costa Rica, actually.

Dude, have you ever been?

No, my friends go for stem cells and health stuff.

Really?

Yeah.

Stem cells and like ayahuasca?

I don't know about that.

Maybe.

It's a good duo right there, man.

Some stem cells, some DMT.

That's what you get in costa rica is that what you were doing out there nah man surfing i became a beach fum dude i was working so hard and then i surfed for the first time and i was just like this is all i ever want to do so that's a polar opposite mindset yeah it's it's interesting how we get attracted to complete opposites of the spectrum right like um you know brett malinowski yes yeah so brett brett was telling me about this how people will get really involved in one thing and they'll almost feel like they overdo it to where they have to go to the complete other end of the spectrum like the aggressive billionaire ends up donating all this money to charity because it's almost like this weird guilt we feel.

And I think that's kind of what happened to me with surfing is like, dude, I was working so much and then I was like, surf for the first time ever.

And I was like, what if I just surf the rest of my life?

And then

I went down that extreme and then I realized that's not what I'm here to do.

So, and then it kind of balances out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When I deviate from business, I get an itch to go back to it usually.

I don't know.

I just love business and just podcasting and networking.

Yeah.

I think I'll always do it for the rest of my life what do you do to separate from business like what's your escape what's your go-to uh right now it's fortnight in basketball yeah and i love saunas if i get opportunities to go in saunas i love that yeah um so anything health related i'm always down to do dude but uh did you play basketball growing up yeah i wasn't nice i wasn't good though like relative to like college level athletes but i was decent yeah you know dude i grew up pooping as well it was like before i found business i put everything into basketball dude so you were nice i mean i wasn't that nice, but I was like maybe D2.

Okay.

You know?

We got to run tonight if you want to play.

I'm down.

At lifetime.

I'm so game.

Yeah, 7 p.m.

100%.

We'll film that.

We'll bring the videographer.

That'll be awesome.

I'll be so.

How tall are you?

I'm 6'6.

6'6 ⁇ .

Really?

I thought you were like 6'10, dude.

I wish.

Actually, I don't know about that.

I have this debate with my friends.

I think anything past like 6'4

is pretty risky.

How so?

So actually, anything past, I think it's 6'2, you lose a year of life on average.

So you're trading lifespan for height.

So if you're like eight feet tall, you're going to lose like 20 years.

That's crazy.

Statistically.

And you get so much attention, dude.

We were at the airport yesterday.

We saw this seven foot four guy, tallest dude I've ever seen in person.

And I've been going to basketball tournaments my whole life, but this dude was massive.

And everybody in the airport's pointing at him, looking at him.

Just like the poor guy couldn't even walk because everyone's just like.

There's pros and cons.

Yeah.

When I go to short countries, like I went to Bolivia, I went to China, and I was already the tallest in like middle school in China.

So you get looked at.

Yeah, I believe it, man.

Yeah.

But in sports, it's mainly useful, I'd say, in most sports because you got the wingspan.

So like I was good at tennis.

I'm playing pickleball now.

Nice.

So it comes in handy, but on airplanes.

Oh, yeah.

Tennis is fun, man.

It's hard on your knees and joints.

Yeah, screws up my shoulder, bro.

Yeah, your shoulder.

It's fun.

Yeah, it's a vigorous sport.

Is that your favorite sport right now?

Nah, man, I probably still, I would probably go surfing and then basketball.

Okay.

I have not hooped as much as I should be, but I've been talking to like, you know, Eddie Malouf, Joel, and something like that.

Eddie, I haven't played with him.

I was talking shit to him.

I was like, dude,

we got to run some one-on-one.

And he was like, bro.

And then he just posted me up.

We were just at a networking event.

He posted me up.

And he was like, bro, you can't get around me.

And I was like, damn, he's got it right.

He's a little sniper.

Did you see what happened to his brother?

I did, bro.

Bro.

What in the world?

That is nuts.

Did you watch the podcast on it that he made?

That was a good podcast.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Dude, we were at the bank setting up an account and we started talking about it.

And then the banker is like, oh, do you guys know barbecue?

Which is who Eddie's brother was there to see.

And

what was it?

Haiti, right?

Yeah, Haiti.

Barbecue, apparently, cannibal like eats people.

Really?

The banker randomly tells us about that.

We're like, dude, that's who our friend's brother just like went to see and got kidnapped for.

Wow.

So it's just like, it was a crazy coincidence.

Oh, so you knew about it when it was going on?

Yeah, I knew about it when it was going on a little bit.

And somebody just like randomly brought up it to us.

And then we told him, like, yeah, that's our friend's brother.

Crazy.

crazy shit.

I didn't know he was a cannibal.

That's scary.

Yeah, a cannibal was like bombing places and like barbecuing people.

Oh, that's how we got the nickname.

That's why they call him barbecue.

That makes sense.

Wow.

I don't think I'd ever go to Haiti, man.

It's the witchcraft capital of the world.

Really?

It's Dominican Republic and Haiti.

Wow.

The most witchcraft in the world is in those two countries.

I think I've been a Dominican when I was younger, but I don't know how it is now.

Dude, it's sketchy.

You see some crazy, crazy stuff.

Wow.

You been?

I've been to DR.

i haven't been to haiti but i have friends who have and yeah man it's uh yeah that's wild a lot of darkness you travel a lot yeah yeah i was just in south africa um with iman and those guys we were shooting some content iman uh godzi yep nice and then we yeah we were in peru not too long ago carson and i were doing some stuff there so i love traveling man i feel like making money a great benefit from making money on your laptop is just being able to go around the world meet people see different cultures get different experiences.

It's so

cliche at this point, but like, man, it's so fun.

Yeah, fast.

So fun.

People always ask me, and I'm sure they ask you what you spend your money on the most.

And for me, it's traveling and food.

100%.

Those are the two.

Yeah, those are my favorite things.

I probably spend six figures a year on those.

On travel and food both or like separate easier?

Probably.

It's a lot of money on food.

Probably just travel.

Yeah.

Probably both.

I do go hard on food, though, because I'm eating pretty nice in Vegas.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are you like biohacked out, like organic everything?

No seed oils.

I wish I could say that.

I don't eat fast food, but I mean most restaurants use seed oils, unfortunately.

So it's kind of hard.

And I feel like a dick asking them not to sometimes.

So I just suck it up.

Do you know Paul Saladino, Carnivore MD?

They'll go and they'll ask like, what oils do you use in the food?

Yeah.

And most of the time, they don't even know.

Yeah.

They have no idea.

It's pretty bad.

It's crazy.

Yeah, because canola oil is so cheap.

So most restaurants just use that.

Do you know like what's the actual problem with the seed oil?

Like what is the medical challenge to seed oil?

Like, because I just know everybody says seed oils are bad, seed oils are bad.

Yeah.

But that's kind of become an echo chamber.

I don't like seed oils, but I also don't even know like what's actually wrong with them.

Have you

know it's highly processed?

It's used in non-foods.

So it's basically like agents and other objects and they're putting it into food.

Yeah.

It's highly processed.

I try to eat as natural as possible.

Yeah.

And sickened by that.

I tested my biological age last month and I'm 21.

Really?

Yeah.

So I'm doing decent, man.

Dude, that's sick.

You got to be the next, what's that guy, Brian Johnson?

Yeah.

No, he's extreme, bro.

He's 20 years younger than his age.

Dude, those thumbnails, like, like, drinks his son's blood or crazy stuff.

Like, vampire shit, man.

Yeah.

I think he's going to inspire a lot of people.

Yeah.

Which I like.

Yeah.

He's a smart dude.

Like, when you watch him, he invented, what was it?

Inmo or?

Yeah, one of those.

Cash app or one of those?

Yeah, one of those payment apps.

Like, he's a genius, dude.

But he's just so extreme on it.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's polarizing.

And you've studied a lot of these billionaires, right?

I've studied a decent amount, man.

Decent amount.

Not as many as I probably should.

But yeah, I've studied a decent amount of billionaires and just his, you know, Charlie Munger says that there's billion-dollar answers in a $50 history book.

So I try to take that to heart.

In a simple history book, in a simple biography, you can find answers that are worth a billion dollars.

Like you can go and research what was Elon thinking when he started PayPal?

What was Steve Jobs thinking when he started Apple?

What was he thinking when he left Apple?

Right.

Most people don't know he actually got fired from Apple, his own company.

So you can kind of go and research because success leaves clues, right?

And wisdom is prevention.

So if you study other people's wisdom, you can prevent the problems that they faced because that's what their wisdom is.

It's prevention for you, not having to run into those same problems.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of studying, dude.

I like to say there's two things I spend my time doing, studying information and then applying it.

And I try to just spend as much time as I can doing those two things.

Then every now and then, you know, I'll surf or play some basketball.

I love it.

But usually studying information and applying it.

And are you doing biographies, YouTube videos?

What's the platform?

So I was like a big reader.

I was like, read a book a week, go crazy, 2x audible, like, you know, douchey founder stuff.

And then I found this podcast called The Founders Podcast.

I don't know if you've ever heard of this podcast.

So basically, this guy goes and he reads biographies every single week and he breaks them down into incredible like book reports.

And so he does Charlie Munger, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos, all the biggest entrepreneurs who have ever walked the earth.

Right.

And so he just puts them in these podcasts, breaks down the most important takeaways in like an hour-long segment, and then you just listen to it.

And so I don't really read anymore.

I don't really study entrepreneurs on like audio books or, you know, anything like that.

I just go listen to this podcast, gives me everything I need.

And then I kind of write some notes, take a look at it.

That's awesome.

It's so much more efficient, dude.

I'm going to check that out because I try to listen to books, but my attention span is shot from shorts and TikToks.

It's so bad.

I think the average attention span is three seconds now.

Really?

Last study I read.

It's crazy.

It's like the same as a squirrel or something.

It's less, dude.

It's less than a goldfish now.

That's why.

I mean, think about it.

When you're on TikTok, this is a good segue because you deleted Instagram, right?

I delete Instagram.

Every now and then I'll go on to posts, but I unfollowed everybody.

So if you go to my Instagram, it's like I follow two accounts.

I follow like the Bible account.

So all I see is scripture.

When I go on to the, to Instagram, that's a good like protection for me.

Right.

But no, I unfollowed everybody.

I unfollowed my best friend.

I unfollowed my mom.

I unfollowed everybody because it's just, it's such a distraction from what actually matters.

I don't need to see what people are doing with their life.

I need to be focused on mine.

And the reality is, like, even if this was a clip and people are watching it right now, most people are avoiding something in their life just by watching this.

Right.

And that's what I realized is I'm going to social media to escape, whether it's for a minute or an hour, I'm just wasting my time there.

And so there was nothing productive happening but i figured if i could hack the algorithm to only put valuable content in front of me then social media can no longer become an escape but a form of education right so that's why i just follow like the bible app or the bible account and then like one other account that only posts things that actually make me better right so if i can kind of optimize my social media there it's no longer as toxic as it used to be 100 i agree with that completely you can customize your instagram you could say i'm not interested on videos yeah so i don't get any half half-naked girls on mine.

I just get health stuff, business stuff.

For me, I have to use it because I'm looking for viral guests.

That's how I found you.

So I get it.

But from your point of view, there's really no point.

I mean, scrolling for hours.

Yeah, so bad, man.

And same thing with YouTube.

Like, once you watch five good videos, it will all just, your whole algorithm, your whole recommendation page will just be content in that category.

Right.

So all it takes is like, like five reels that are positive, watch five YouTube videos that are positive, and then your entire feed is going to become that positive stuff.

Yeah.

Then you just need to be disciplined and not go back to, you know, freaking, I don't know, Addison Ray or whatever people.

I don't know.

I haven't been on, I don't know who people watch anymore, but whatever, whoever's out there dancing.

Yeah, I like YouTube.

My feed is solid on YouTube.

Yeah.

I got some really good stuff.

You got some Matt Shields content on there, bro?

You have come up on my YouTube, actually.

Yeah.

It's mainly like interesting podcasts I listen to.

I like Lex Friedman,

Joe Rogan.

I just heard Tucker on Joe Rogan.

That was a great episode.

Did you see that one?

I haven't.

I've seen it pop up.

I need to watch it.

What was your biggest takeaway?

He exposed government agencies for planting child porn on people's computers.

What?

Yeah, so if you go against the government, that's a possibility.

What?

That that could happen to you.

They planted it?

Allegedly.

People are scared to speak up because allegedly that could happen.

That's crazy, man.

Yeah.

That's a crazy world.

Very crazy.

Yeah.

I don't think I'd ever want to get into politics.

Too dangerous.

Yeah.

A lot of people end up dead or just puppets.

You You interviewed Tucker, right?

Not yet.

He said he's going to come on.

Yeah, shout out to Tucker.

That's awesome, man.

I'll interview them, but I won't ever dive into that space.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's too racist.

What's your big goal with this, dude?

What's like your end goal?

You have so much influence now.

Yeah, similar to Rogan, I guess, just inspire, educate, have fun, change people's perspectives.

Because I think people get fed a lot of the same information growing up.

I look back at my life.

I was pretty brainwashed.

I watched the traditional news outlets, went to public school, and I wish I had access to alternative information growing up.

Yeah.

dude i'm the same way i think one of the best things that ever happened to me i dropped out of ninth grade so i left high school after ninth grade wow that's young yeah and i went to youtube university ever since like i've not i i took math one in ninth grade and that was it i've never gone past like algebra one never gone past english one i just went to YouTube university.

Everything I've ever learned was on YouTube or podcasts or books.

And, you know, we've done all right.

I'm sure it could be more successful, but I've been able to do all right in business and in life just by getting outside of those

zones of just echo chambers, right?

Which is what school is.

It's a programming center for you to become what they want you to be.

I believe John D.

Rockefeller was one of the, obviously he was the most wealthy person in the world.

And I believe he funded the general education board, not the public education system, but the public education board with like $30 million or something.

That was just like stupid amounts of money back when he was alive.

And he said he doesn't want a nation of thinkers.

He wants a nation of workers.

And he's the guy who funded the general education board.

So if you go to school, their job is to make you a worker, not a thinker.

That's why I never jailed in school is I would think outside the box.

I would challenge my teachers.

I would ask them questions.

And it always just led to me getting detention or getting kicked out or whatever because I didn't want to be a worker.

I wanted to think for myself.

I wanted to come up with my own ideas.

And then eventually I came in ninth grade.

I was just like, dude, I can't do this.

So I just dropped out.

Wow.

You need your parents' signature that early, right?

I do.

But so you can't, you technically have to go to high school.

So what I did, complete finesse, Sean, I found this thing called Pin Foster Online, which is like an online school.

And it's basically a scam.

It's basically a scam.

I went on Pin Foster and my senior year, I finished two full semesters in three days.

What?

The whole school year I finished in three days.

It was seven hours of work.

I called them up after and I'm like, guys, am I done?

Or like, is there more work for me to do?

And they're like, oh, no, you, you graduated.

We'll send you a diploma.

They sent me a diploma.

Technically, I graduated, but really it was just finesse.

That's awesome.

And then I started, I bought a course on how to make money online, started a business.

And a few years later, you know, we were running a multi-seven-figure business all from our laptops.

And that's SMMA, right?

That's SMMA.

And did you buy, I'm assuming it was Ty Lopez's course?

It wasn't.

Oh, it wasn't.

It wasn't.

No, it wasn't Ty's.

It wasn't Iman.

Shout out to those guys, though.

It was a guy named Billy Wilson.

Okay.

Who's like an OG?

He doesn't make content anymore.

But I bought his course it was like 600 bucks I went to my mom I was like mom help me buy this course she was like no go to college went to my dad he was like I'll give you 200 bucks came back to my mom I was like dad's giving me 200 bucks you sure you don't want to get in on this my mom gave me 100 bucks I put up the other 300 which I made like selling shoes on eBay yeah bought this course for 600 bucks and I was just like this I need to make this work Like I was desperate, man.

There's no other option.

I have to make this work.

So I went all in.

I was 17 years old, working 70 hours a a week just like sweating my ass off grinding dude trying to figure out how to become successful and i turned that 600 course into now um you know we've done almost nine million online wow and till this day that's the only course that i've actually gone through was that 600 estimate course crazy crazy you were all in i was all in no other option there's newton's first law to me is a really interesting law for success and obviously science but an object at rest stays at rest unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

So I find a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of people, they're at rest in their life.

They can't seem to break through certain plateaus, and it's because they haven't been acted upon by an unbalanced force.

For me, buying that course, even though it was only 600 bucks, it was an unbalancing force of pressure to where I had to get into motion.

I had to figure out how to make something work.

As JFK said, right, you have to throw your hat over the wall.

So the only way you can come home is by climbing the wall, getting your hat, and going back.

Most people are scared to throw their hats over over the wall.

They're scared to take that risk.

They're scared to put an unbalancing force in their life.

But I did that with buying the course and it forced me to go to a new level, become a new person.

Yeah, that's brilliant.

I never translated that law to business, but that makes so much sense because 70% of rich people's kids lose their money and then 90% by the third generation lose that.

So, because it's too easy.

Dude, it's that cliche quote: hard men create easy times, easy times create weak men.

Or it's strong men.

Strong men create easy times, easy times create weak men, weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men.

So true.

It's facts, yeah.

So true.

Yeah, it's going to be tough you and I having kids because they're going to come into money and they won't have that edge that we have.

So what do you do?

Like, what's your plan?

Yeah, I've been studying it, honestly.

I don't even have kids yet, but I'm planning it.

I've been watching Patrick Bett David, the way he raises it with the book system.

I think that's

his kids have to read a certain amount of pages to get rewarded.

to uh i think get their ipad and play games on it yeah so they're reading like a book a week or something crazy Really?

Yeah.

I think that's the founders podcast, bro.

Yeah, I got listen to that one.

Do they talk about raising kids on that?

No, I mean, I'm sure somewhere on there they do.

But dude, that's interesting.

So they have to read in order to earn the reward, basically.

So he's just training them to be disciplined.

Yeah.

Which everybody could use because even like non-rich kids have iPads and iPhones and all that.

I didn't have a phone till high school, dude.

Really?

Yeah.

Like an iPhone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did you grow up in Vegas?

I grew up in Jersey.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

It was a rich town.

So I had that against me.

Looking back, it was crazy because every kid in my high school, their parents bought them a car as soon as they turned 16, but mine didn't.

Really?

And I hated it.

But back then, you know, with that mindset, it makes sense.

Now, looking back, it was great that my mom did that.

How so?

What did it do for you?

Just humbled me, taught me to work for everything I want.

I think if she gave me a car, I would have been a little spoiled.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, it gives you perspective, man.

There's something powerful about that.

My business partner I was telling you about, where he went to school in Jersey, it's called like the billionaire school i don't know if you've heard of that it's like a high school where like three billionaires have came out of really yeah it's public i think it is public wow yeah something in the water there man something dude something it's it's like uh it's a very it's an indian town so it's like i guess indians are more likely to be billionaires and i don't know i don't know if that's true so indians actually they've done studies on indians and they save the most money Really?

Yeah, so they're the highest savings.

Even more than like Jewish people?

Yeah.

Really?

On average,

in the U.S., at least.

I got to check that study, but yeah, Indians.

So you study a lot of stuff, dude.

I like studies, and you got to see who's doing the study, who's funding the study.

Because there's a study for everything good and bad.

There's always two studies, you know?

How do you, so what's like your advice to somebody?

Because there's so much crap on the internet of, oh, this study showed blah, blah, blah.

And it's just BS.

So how do you discern that?

How do you actually investigate a study to find it?

There's a site Lane Norton showed me.

It aggregates all the studies and then it'll show ratios of how many were positive, how many were negative to this ingredient.

Interesting.

But I just trust the experts at this point.

I don't trust any mainstream websites.

Like if it's Huffington Post, if it's, I don't know, Fox, you know, I don't read it.

Yeah.

I just can't believe it, dude.

Yeah, I feel you.

That conventional, that's why I just don't watch the news.

Yeah.

I mean, look at who funds the news.

It's big pharma.

It's all these big companies.

Yeah.

So they're going to program whatever message they want to get across to the masses.

Yeah.

Scary, man.

Scary.

That's why I was watching a Hermosi video yesterday, I think, where he was talking about online education and just online marketing and everything and how powerful that's going to be because everybody's starting to have their own platform, right?

Like you have your own podcast.

I have my own podcast.

There's so many people of their own forms of distributing content and information that these big systems, Foxing and et cetera, they're starting to decline.

I think it's by like 4% a year or something like that.

That's crazy.

And all these other platforms obviously are shooting up.

Yeah, Rogan just told us to to Tucker: alternative media is getting more views than traditional now.

All the podcasts and YouTubers, it's crazy, so we're overtaking traditional media, dude.

What so?

Here's where my concern goes: is like you're going to have everybody gets a chance to have a platform, so you're going to have a ton of people who shouldn't have platforms in the first place, which I guess already is the case with you know, Fox and CNN to some extent.

Um,

what do you think is going to happen in 10 years from now when every kid with a mic and a phone is popping off and posting viral TikToks, which already is kind of happening.

Yeah, you're seeing it now.

Yeah, but what do you think 10 years from now is going to look like?

I think just success will speak, dude, in the business space at least and the health space.

I think people are going to go to the experts.

You kind of see it now.

Like all the top shows, if you look at the hosts, they have some sort of experience or knowledge.

It's not just some random guy for the most part.

Yeah, that's true.

So I think people will gravitate over time, but there's so many podcasts right now.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

Almost everyone you know probably has one or has been a guest on one.

Yeah, dude, that's why, like, I was having fun with the podcast, and some of them were doing well, but it's just so much competition, man.

Yeah, yeah, you got to do it for the right reasons.

Why, why do you do this?

Uh, just inspire, educate.

Money is one part of it.

I mean, it does do well financially, but that's not the main reason.

For most people, it is, and they're relying on the podcast as their source of income.

Yeah, so that's where it gets a little dangerous, I think.

How do you make money from this?

Just sponsors, views,

opportunities that come from working with guests afterwards.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, Damon John was a guest.

He spoke at my event.

Nice.

He sold three Mastermind spots at 30K each.

Wow.

So he made 100 grand in 10 minutes.

So just like opportunities like that.

There was a stem cell guy that came on.

I'm offering stem cell options to my guests now.

Really?

We got to talk about that, bro.

My shoulder's like, yeah, messed up.

Oh, I got you.

I'll put you in touch.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That'd be huge.

You'll have to fly out, but he'll put you up in a nice hotel and everything.

Yeah.

Colombia.

Colombia, like Medellin?

Yeah.

Shoot, okay.

You been there?

I have.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool place.

Crazy place.

You dating right now?

Nah, not really, man.

I'm waiting until.

So I used to date around and all that stuff, but dude, it hit me after one week.

I just, I, I don't even want to say what I did.

It was terrible.

At least the way I look at it now.

It's probably normal to what most men, how most men operate in society today, but I was just not being a person I wanted to be.

And I went too far one week, just was like sleeping around with different women.

And after that, I was just like disgusted with myself.

Wow.

I was like, what am I doing?

Like, I don't care about, I didn't have any love for any of these women.

I'm just giving my seed of life, my life force inside of me to random strangers, which you're giving them power over you, right?

You're letting in a, in a weird way, you're becoming subservient to the woman because she's controlling your force of life.

So I was just in, it was just a weird spot.

I was like, man, what am I doing?

Like, why am I, why am I doing this?

And I realized, like, I don't want to interact with someone like that unless i actually have love for them so i'm waiting until i find somebody i actually i actually care about i actually love and then uh dude i'd like to wait till marriage wow honestly to do it again it's tough i don't know if i'll be able to but that's a rare thing these days man yeah my buddy carson is is big on it so he's he's been putting that like into my mind like he really wants to wait and he's disciplined on it so i'm like dude i should too and i love that and it's a it's unfortunate that guys get made fun of for like being virgins these days um but it's powerful to hold that in man i i do think there's a spiritual connection when you have sex there is it is dude the uh so in the bible there's a spirit called jazebel the jezebel spirit is like the lust spirit and jezebel was essentially like a domineering woman who uh certain men in the old testament would you know give their life force to jazzabel and then she would essentially have power over them so that's that's what i was trying to allude to earlier is when you interact with a woman in that way you start craving to have sex with her.

She now has this control over you because she needs you to behave a certain way in order for you to get sex.

So you're becoming subservient to them in the sense of, you know, they control you.

I've seen so many of my buddies, this happens to them

where

they can't come back to their woman if she disrespects them.

They can't,

they have no control over the relationship.

They're constantly being berated and controlled and just manipulated, but they want the sex sex so bad.

They're so controlled by the sex that they just let it happen.

And they're not even in love.

They're just in lust.

And it's so dangerous.

And it's all over the place, man.

Yeah, they call it simping.

Simping.

But no, for real.

That's the modern Jazzebel spirit.

It's the simp spirit, bro.

You see it everywhere.

And yeah, they need to do psychological studies on why it is because it is bad.

Like, guys will do the most.

I've heard, so I've heard this said that men,

the reason that that men get so addicted to sex and multiple sexual partners is because they have no other way of expressing intimacy and the most intimate thing you can do is have sex with someone so men chase sex because deep down they're just craving intimacy like they just want to be intimate with someone they want to have a conversation with someone they want to actually get to know someone But in our society, men can't do that, right?

It's not, you don't talk about your feelings.

You don't express your emotions.

You're weird or weak if you do that.

So instead, we compensate and we react react by just becoming addicted to sex yeah because that's the only way we can get any form of intimacy out of ourselves right and a lot of guys sleep around because they think it's the cool thing to do too with their friend groups and everything we got to change that bro it's not cool it's it's lame bro yeah it's lame like the cool thing being being a good father being in love with one woman being loyal, having high character, raising a good family, that is the cool thing.

Yeah.

We got to bring that back into the world, though, man.

Yeah, I'm fortunate, man.

I've only slept with one girl.

Really?

And that's, that's, and for someone in my position, that's so rare.

And that's like unheard of, honestly.

For sure.

To have millions, to have followers.

But I'm so happy I did it.

But like growing up, I got made fun of and stuff.

Yeah.

But I just held through it.

Why don't you go sleep around?

Like, what's stopping you?

Well, at first, I just couldn't.

Like, I had no game.

But I'd say like once I started making money and got followers, like I definitely could have.

I just never wanted to spend time on it, dude.

Like, it's a full-time thing.

I see my single friends chasing girls 40 40 hours a week.

Like, for real.

They're going on dates.

They're texting them all day.

Like, it's literally a full-time job.

Bro, it is.

And, like,

they got no money, but they have these bodies.

They're focused on their body count, not their bank account.

That's the problem, bro.

And now, within the past year, add on that spirituality component that I'm learning about, the energy transfers of sex.

There's no way I'd ever do it.

It's your highest form of energy that you're exchanging with somebody.

They have a part of you.

It does.

And I believe you can inherit traumas too through sex.

Do you ever feel heavy after like sleeping with someone

i definitely i definitely dude i yeah yeah i've had some some yeah so like i believe you're like inheriting their their traumas so what have you been learning spiritually um dude i went through a weird atheist phase growing up i was christian went to church and didn't like it yeah and um i feel like this happens to a lot of kids yeah uh they don't like it and then i just didn't believe in god for like years and then um

sought sought purpose like i seeked purpose and meaning in life and just i've had on a few guests matteus de stefano billy carson robert edward grant just exploring possibilities of life after death and all this stuff and i've i've gone through some weird encounters really i've done past life regression therapy i've um had ghost hunters on the show just getting perspectives and i'm definitely a believer in spirituality That's interesting, man.

I was an atheist too, but I grew up atheist.

Like, my family didn't go to church.

We didn't believe in God.

We didn't talk about the Bible.

You know, my mom was kind of agnostic.

She had been burnt by the church.

My dad was an atheist.

And similar to you, dude, exactly what you just said, I started seeking purpose.

And what I realized, if there's no God, the word purpose by definition is the reason for which something exists or is created.

So to have purpose, there needs to be a reason we were created.

And so what I realized, if there is no God, there's no reason for us being here.

There's no reason for our creation.

So without God, we cannot have ultimate purpose.

And when that hit me, I became kind of a nihilist because I wanted to believe in God, but I didn't.

And so I realized without God, there's no purpose.

So I guess nothing matters.

There is no reason for us being here.

I went really deep down this dark path of nihilism.

And one day I just kind of denounced God.

I was like, God, I've been seeking you for five years.

I don't think you're there.

It's been five years and nothing's happened.

If you're there, like, cool, show me.

But I'm going to just go live my life, be a good person.

Whatever happens, happens.

The next day, something happened to me that just like made my head hurt.

It was crazy.

And then the next day, another thing happened.

I got a text from somebody I hadn't talked to in three years who said, Hey, God put you on my heart today.

Is everything okay?

Wow.

And then thing after thing after thing shone, and I just kept seeking.

And he kept revealing himself to me.

And then one day, eventually, I read the Bible.

And I'd read the book of Matthew, the Gospel of Matthew, which I'd read three times before.

But this time, these guys had said a prayer for me at my church.

I was going to church, seeking what's up there.

And they said, God, like, make this book come alive to Matthew.

Like, open, open his eyes to what this book really is.

I go home that night, just fired up to read the Bible.

It was super weird.

I was like, I can't wait to go home and read the Bible.

The weirdest thing.

I go home and I pick it up, and it's like it was a different book.

And I just, I read it all night.

I read like the whole gospel of Matthew, just going, going, going.

And ever since then, I haven't been able to put it down.

Crazy.

yeah, man.

It's it's

it's everything, yeah, it's everything.

Yeah, you can really find almost like a connection, right?

With like a higher power, yeah.

A big thing I'm a believer in is that God doesn't want religion, he wants relationship.

Everybody talks about religion, and religion is probably what turned you away from the church to some extent, yeah, especially modern-day religion, yeah, where there's money involved.

I'm not a fan of that, oh, dude, it kept me away for so long, kept me away for so long because all I saw, I see these mega church pastors in these mega mansions

with 12,000 square foot houses and private jets and all these nice cars.

And I'm like, why would I go support that?

But that's not God.

And that's what people have to keep in mind.

It's like religion is not God.

What's so funny is the thing that Jesus condemned more than anything, the sin that he condemned was religious hypocrisy.

More than anything else, he preached against the Pharisees and the scribes, the most religious people in the world.

He was crucified by the most religious people in the world.

So, you know, the Bible says in James chapter 1, verse 27, it says, religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this.

Care for orphans and widows in their distress and keep yourself unstained by the world.

That's religion in the Bible's terminology is to care for people who need it and to not be like the world.

Wow.

So people get this wrong a lot.

It's not about religion.

It's about relationship with God.

That's what he wants.

So,

yeah, man, that's been probably the biggest thing in the last year of my life is just looking into that.

I love why we're here.

Yeah, I love that you're open about it because it is a divisive topic these days.

Yeah,

it is for a lot of reasons.

So

you were in church, you've got kind of turned away, you've come back.

Are you into like philosophy or like Buddhism or Christianity?

Like, where's your mind go with spirituality?

Yeah, I don't know if I tie myself to one.

I do like the reincarnation aspect.

I'm a believer in that.

I do think we've had past lives, and I think we'll have future lives.

I know that's probably against your belief, but

I do believe in that, man.

Is that come from like Buddhism or is that separate from anything?

I don't know what it's tied to.

I know it is a big part of Buddhism, but so in past life therapy, they kind of bring it out of you.

They speak to your subconscious mind.

Really?

Yeah, it's pretty fascinating.

What is past life therapy?

So there's different forms.

So one I did was past life regression therapy.

So you're lying down on a bed um she puts you in a meditative state almost like hypnosis okay so she brings your subconscious mind forward and that's what's talking to her and then she'll walk you through some of your past lives wow yeah it's pretty nuts and when that happens are you like does it you feel it you're like oh man i i was X Y and Z thing in a past life or yeah, some people see it.

There's visual learners.

There's people that learn by touch.

So they have to explain through touch.

And then there's one other one, I think audio.

But yeah, I explored like seven of my past lives allegedly.

I mean, there's no like physical proof.

I like proof.

I like numbers.

I like data.

So this is more out of the box for me typically.

But yeah,

that's crazy, man.

It is interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because I used to have heart pain all the time.

And

I'm trying to remember.

Okay.

So in the life, I had a heart attack.

I was a really stressed out businessman and I died of a heart attack.

And so in this life, I would get like chest pain.

I would get like heart palpitations all the time.

As soon as we cleared that energy, dude, I haven't had it a single time, really.

And I used to have it all the time.

Dang, yeah.

So, she said a lot of physical pain in the body is caused from stress in previous lives.

Interesting, dude.

Maybe I was like a powerlifter in a past life

and shoulder, bro.

If you want to try her out, she lives here.

I'd be open to talking to her.

I probably wouldn't do it.

Um, it's interesting, man.

I was very into Buddhism, yeah, very into stoicism and Buddhism.

And obviously, reincarnation is a key principle of Buddhism.

You reincarnate until you achieve nirvana which is enlightenment but yeah it's i don't know it's it's tough i think

the fact that there's something out there is is

that belief in itself is better than the idea that we're here for nothing agree we're here for no reason yeah um and then we just have to keep seeking like the bible says seeking you shall find asking you shall receive and i tried to follow that and uh yeah if you seek you'll find man so do you believe in afterlife or do you think this is just there's a crazy book called Imagine Heaven by John Burke, I believe.

It's a crazy book about he studied over a thousand near-death experiences.

These people who died, whether it was they drowned or they had a car accident, whatever happened, they died, they were gone for 30 seconds, some even 30 minutes.

And they eventually were brought back.

And they describe what they saw in their time spent in the next realm.

And it's incredible what these people saw.

They all describe very, very similar experiences.

And they describe, I think one of the most fascinating things is they describe encountering a being of light and love.

There was this being of light and love that just the second they saw it or felt it, it was just, they felt love, this crazy, indescribable love.

And it was just so bright, but not bright like it's hard to look at, that like that light, bright, just like glowing.

Yeah.

But all you wanted to do was look at it.

And so many people from different cultures, different backgrounds, different areas all describe encountering the same thing.

And so to me, that was really fascinating.

And the Bible says, God is a God of light.

So, it gave me a lot of faith that, like, heaven's real, man.

Heaven's real.

And there is something after this, this life.

And there's doctors who believe that we now have medical evidence to support the idea that

there is a life after death.

Wow.

That's exciting.

It's so exciting, dude.

I used to be so scared of death.

And now I'm like, bro, if it happens, like, I'm excited.

What's next?

I used to fear it, man.

Yeah.

For real, daily.

Same.

As a kid.

Yeah, for no reason.

I was super young.

Did you have like anxiety anxiety and OCD and kind of like death?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'd say so.

As a kid, I used to think about it a lot.

Same, man.

Yeah, but I've accepted it more and more.

I'd say I'm almost fully at peace with it.

There's still some stuff I want to do on this earth while I can, but for the most part, I think I'm doing a lot better than I was.

Yeah, that's cool to hear.

Dude, I was the same way.

It's cool to come to that spot of like, man, if I die, I die.

Yeah.

Like, that's a really powerful place to be.

Like, if it was Seneca, the Stoic philosopher, who said, we have one chain that holds us back, and it's our love for life.

And I find that to be a really profound quote, that our love for life is the one thing that holds us back.

Ironic, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Loving the feeling of living.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

People get wrapped up in it, man.

They do.

Yeah.

They do.

Dude, it's been an interesting episode.

It's been all, yeah.

We didn't talk about SMMA at all, which I'm so glad.

It's funny, man.

Anything else you want to close off with or promote, though?

Serve others, man.

Serve others.

I think that's what we're here for.

Whether you're

an atheist or a theist or whatever you believe in,

if everybody in the world served everybody else but themselves, it'd be a way different planet.

So, I'll leave people with that thought.

What would the world look like if everybody was serving someone other than themselves?

Love it, man.

We'll link your YouTube below.

Thanks so much for coming on, dude.

That was fun.

Yeah, thanks for watching, guys.

See you tomorrow.