Avoid This Sauna Mistake: The Key to Detoxing Right | Brian Richards DSH #690

Levels are can be reduced to like 50%

in the next day.

And you can imagine, and that's no big deal.

Like you can recover from that, right?

But if you're doing that every night, you know, you're gaming or watching TV late into the night, you're having this

cumulative stress on your body that causes the free radicals, cause what's called oxidative stress.

So it causes aging basically in the body.

Just from gaming.

Wow.

All right, guys, we got a sauna expert here today, Brian Richards.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks for having me, brother.

I can't wait to hear about your sauna journey and how you started a sauna company.

Yeah,

it's been 11 years now.

So I got into this because of my own health problems.

When I was done with my college career,

I was dealing with some things like insomnia and mind racing.

I had what's called adrenal fatigue.

So I was just kind of low energy and

irascible, you know, and irritable.

And

I would lay in bed and it would take a long time to fall asleep.

And my sleep quality wasn't that good.

So

my mother's actually a general practitioner, physician.

So I grew up with my mom was doing all this natural stuff and my dad is a retired radiologist.

So I grew up with kind of both sides of the spectrum,

supplements and vitamins and things like that.

And then like

allopathic care.

And I was, it took me a while to appreciate how amazing my mom is and what she was doing.

She's prescribing vitamins, you know, in the 80s in Montana where I grew up.

So, anyway,

she was like, Brian, you're probably just toxic.

You probably just need to detox a little bit and you should get a sauna.

And so, this, I ended up going online and researching, you know, and I'm sure you've talked about it, you're a sauna enthusiast yourself, like all these amazing benefits of sauna.

Sauna increases your health span, so the years of your life that you're healthy.

It reduces your risk of dying of all things, non-trauma-related, and it reduces your risk of like dementia and brain problems.

So, I was blown away by all this research.

And then, at the end of my research,

I found what's called the electric light bath.

So, this is an invention

that dates back to 1891, right after light bulbs were invented.

This guy, Dr.

Kellogg in Battle Creek, Michigan, he's actually the brother of the guy that invented the cornflakes.

Oh, Kellogg's?

Yeah, so his brother invented the cornflakes because they thought that male libido, out-of-control male libido, is a societal problem.

So they so they invented this like cereal to lower male libido, right?

So it's a sad story, really, because it's worked.

And now we have the opposite problem, you know, now.

So anyway, this was his brother.

He was a really cool guy.

He had a clinic in Battle Creek, Michigan.

So he basically saw these bulbs.

He didn't know anything about mitochondria or red light therapy, you know, what we know nowadays about the light therapy systems in the bodies.

He just noted that there's something special about the light, that it heats up the body more effectively than a traditional sauna.

And there's something else with the light that has this healing effect.

So he built this big cabinet with all these light bulbs in it.

And you would stand inside and sweat and you would do a sauna.

And he tested this on like 50,000 patients with chronic illness in the early 20th century and wrote a book called Light Therapeutics in 1905.

Wow.

So 1905, this guy is talking about light therapy, you know, way before modern light therapy.

And this is actually a time when there was a group of doctors who were using electric light bulbs for healing.

They were contemporaries of Tesla.

So this is right at the beginning of the 20th century.

Got it.

So they're doing all this amazing stuff, having amazing results.

And then it's just an interesting story that all of this disappeared.

You know, it all was lost in time.

You have the Flexner report that was published at the end of the...

1800s, which was the big push for like petroleum-based healthcare, you know, petroleum-based drugs, and the rise of the AMA and the FDA.

And so this stuff disappears, but you can read this book online.

So I found this book and I found a modern doctor's rendition of it.

And I was like, cool, I'll build my own.

I'm a tinker.

I'm a builder.

I've always been like that.

And so anyway, long story short, I built my own, used it right before bed, boom, slept amazing.

And then the next day, the same thing.

Like I used it right before bed, slept again amazingly.

My insomnia at that point was like not an issue anymore.

And this is just light?

What is this?

This is a sauna that uses electric light bulbs, big 250 watt electric light bulbs.

Like you have one of our portable lights.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's our saunas is basically four of those or up to seven of those, but the standard setup is four of those

that are heating the body.

Got it.

And so you're doing a sauna like any other sauna, and that's what I was doing.

I was staying in there until,

well, if you look at the sauna research, like what is it, how do you get these health span benefits?

It doesn't matter what kind of sauna you use.

It doesn't matter what heating methodology you use.

You need to raise core temperature three degrees and sweat out a pound of water.

The sauna doesn't have to be 200 degrees.

It doesn't, you can use a sauna suit.

You can use a hot tub or a bathtub.

Anytime you're doing this, you want to sweat out a pound of water and raise core temperature three degrees.

So what's really interesting about the electric light bath, like what we do at Sauna Space, is that effect is really fast because you're using light to heat the body.

You're not using the air.

So you sit in

in this little sauna, and our sauna looks like a tent and it has four bulbs on this electrical board.

And you just sit in front of it and you rotate every few minutes to get a lot of light therapy all over your body.

And you sweat.

It takes about 25 or 30 minutes.

There's no preheating or anything.

So it's like the fastest sauna session on earth.

So anyway, I used this and

I was just so blown away by it that I continued to use it for six months.

And at the end of that, that's when I realized, wow, everything that all the issues, I also had acne on my torso so it was like right where my kidneys are so all of that went away my skin was looking great and then i also realized that i didn't even know before you know when the car's dirty you splash some more mud on it you don't notice so this was the case when i was done at six or after six months of sauna use i realized that i had gotten rid of brain fog that i wasn't even really aware of

And so my cognitive function was amazing, like really through the roof, my patience, my energy levels, my mood, like these qualitative things, you know, that are, that are priceless.

They all got better.

It was this big transformation.

So, so that's the story.

I was like, where is the electric light bath?

Why, you know, where is the modern product anyway?

So, that got me on the journey of creating my own company, Sauna Space, about 11 years ago now.

And

just a singular obsession.

I poured my

heart and soul into this thing for over a decade and developed the design that you see nowadays that deals with safety and EMF shielding and making sure it's all organic and it's all handmade in the US.

Incredible.

And in the beginning, I didn't know anything about the science or EMFs or anything like that.

But along the way, I've had to figure it out because people are asking, like, especially they're skeptical of the sauna concept.

Like, oh, I thought saunas are the Finnish saunas or the infrared saunas that everybody knows of, the, the, the far-infrared saunas.

And here I am with this electric light bath that uses near-infrared light and it uses this incandescent bulb.

So the technology is different, the spectrum is different, and all of that's pushed me to learn and research a lot about the science.

It's incredible.

The science of light therapy and sauna therapy is really, it's, you know,

there's like seven or eight thousand light therapy studies now in the literature, and there's there's thousands of sauna studies.

So it's sauna is probably one of the best known.

or one of the most researched natural therapies out there.

Incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it's pretty affordable too.

Yeah, yeah.

You can really, uh, you can really go

bonanza with your sauna.

Like some of the saunas are like huge, right?

They're like $20,000.

But at the end of the day, the results you're trying to achieve are that sweat response, basically.

So

what we do, what's really cool, again, about what we do is the sweat response is so fast.

And when you're in there, you're doing light therapy too.

So you're getting the stacked effect.

It also has a grounding mat in it.

And our Faraday sauna

has like a silver-based liner system that blocks out man-made EMF like Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and cell phone signals.

Wow.

So when you're in this, you're in a very

like like super-powered healing space that's really, you know, you're protected from all these man-made stressors, but you're you're enveloped in this

really natural experience that our ancestors used to have.

You know, our ancestors got a lot of sunlight every day.

And the sun, if you look at the sun spectrum, most people think it's the benefit from the sun is in the ultraviolet.

You know, it's vultured, it's vitamin D production that promotes.

And there's a lot of visible light.

Obviously, that's our primary source of light in nature.

But the majority of the sun's emission is actually near-infrared.

It's in the unseen wavelengths of infrared, in the high-energy infrared.

And that's where you get your light therapy benefit and you get your radiant heat benefit.

It's actually like over 70% of the power you absorb from the sun is in this near-infrared band.

So when we're talking about the Sun and its benefit, it's all about the near-infrared.

So our technology, the incandescent light bulb, mimics

how nature makes light by using incandescent.

That's why we call it the incandescent bulb.

The Sun is also an incandescent light source.

This is light that's broad spectrum and it has like a natural

sort of shape of the spectrum, a natural power cord, a natural distribution of wavelengths that has light therapy and heat therapy together.

Right.

So, would you recommend having these

incandescent light bulbs in the house as well?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's really unfortunate that the incandescent bulbs,

not all of them have been banned, but all of the high-wattage ones have been banned.

And so, what they've done is for like the

they're trying to make things more energy efficient and reduce like the electrical bill.

But in doing that and pushing everybody to LEDs and fluorescence, two things happen.

One is they've removed the healing spectrum of

man-made lighting devices, which is this near-infrared component I'm talking about.

And what they left is blue.

So all these lights in the studio here, and all the lights we have at home, all the screens we have, it's all LED, right?

It's all blue light.

And blue light is

very high-energy light.

It's actually damaging to the body.

It's right next to ultraviolet light on the spectrum.

So ultraviolet light is ionizing, so it directly damages our DNA.

So that's not good.

But blue light, even though it's not ionizing, is right next to ultraviolet light

on the electromagnetic spectrum.

And we know nowadays, research indicates that that's why we call it high-energy visible light.

That's why people wear blue blockers, you know,

when they game and they work at the computer.

It's because blue light causes free radical formation in the cells of the body.

It causes damage.

I mean, if you get a lot of blue light, like after dark as a man, your testosterone levels can be reduced to like 50%

in the next day.

And you can imagine, and that's no big deal.

Like, you can recover from that, right?

But if you're doing that every night, you know, you're gaming or watching TV late into the night, you're having this

cumulative stress on your body that causes the free radicals, cause what's called oxidative stress.

So it causes aging basically in the body.

Just from gaming, wow.

Just while TV, phones, screens, and also in the morning when you wake up, you know, if your first thing you do is you grab the phone and you look at it, you're signaling uh it's a stress signal for your body your body's supposed to wake up and see the sunrise yeah and and the sunrise is mostly near infrared and red that's why it looks red you know in the beginning and instead if we if we give ourselves blue it totally messes up like all the programming for the day yeah it's it's it's and that's kind of our modern lifestyle our modern habit even if you're not grabbing the phone like most people first thing they do is go wake up go to the bathroom yep turn on the bathroom light with all that led

and and it turns turns out it's quite destructive to our health the fact that we've with our modern indoor lighting we've removed the near infrared that's healthy and we've really increased our exposure to blue because in nature when we got blue we got it from the sun we got a little bit of blue and we got a ton of the healing near infrared yeah so the best time of day for sunlight is right in the morning uh

well The sun is good at all times, but definitely you can program your body

to

handle the blue and the ultraviolet better if you get that early morning sun.

So our ancestors watched the sunrise and they watched the sunset.

A near-infrared light also has what's called a photoprotective effect.

So it actually protects you from the damage of ultraviolet light.

It's really cool.

So you can build a sun callus by getting early morning light.

And then when you're out in midday,

your cells and your body can better withstand the ultraviolet and blue light and you get you get less sunburn.

Do you think certain saunas can offset the damage of EMF and Wi-Fi?

Because everyone has their phone in their pockets.

They got Wi-Fi at home.

Yeah, that's such a great question.

It turns out, yeah,

this is researched by a guy named Dr.

Martin Paul.

It's pretty old research now.

And yes,

the research indicates that when you do sauna in these two different kind of complicated biological pathways, sauna reverses the oxidative stress effect of EMF.

So especially in our sauna, it's really special because it's EMF shielded and you're going to have the grounding mats.

You have this really transformative healing experience.

But any sauna, if you stay in it, is kind of acting like an electromagnetic detox, as it were.

So,

when you get EMFs all day long, the man-made EMFs, anyway, they cause oxidative stress.

They cause aging in the cells and they can actually damage your DNA slowly.

Like you have a cell phone in your pocket for three days.

It's equivalent to x-raying your gonads.

What?

Yeah.

I'm just taking it out right now.

Yeah.

God damn.

I even have this chip, though.

I don't know if these are legit, but I have an EMF blocker.

I think those can help, but ultimately it's like

it's just this electro, it's this thing that's like cumulative.

You know, it's like a little bit of poison all

day long, all the time, and it slowly wears you out.

So, what we want to do is find ways to, yeah, like take it out of your pocket, put it in airplane mode, reduce your exposure.

But the exposure you do have, you know, what do you do?

So, sauna turns out to be one of the one of the only known thing that's been documented to reverse that damage.

Right.

Yeah.

And is that in regular saunas or the saunas with that?

So in any sauna, you get

you get muscle, you get vascular shear stress.

So the sauna, the heat,

like causes new blood vessels to form and it causes the blood vessels that you have to like strengthen and widen and get stronger and more more effective.

And then it also increases what's called tetrahydrobiopterin, BH4, and that competes with proxy nitrite.

So that's the thing that EMFs cause the production of in the body.

So in these two different complicated ways, basically, any sauna, if you sit in there, sweat out a pound of water, raise core temperature three degrees, on top of all the benefits of sauna and the detox and all that, you get that EMF stress reversal.

Good to know.

I saw this one clip on Instagram.

This guy was saying infrared saunas penetrate your body deeper than regular saunas.

What do you think about that?

He said it basically detoxes you better.

Yeah, so

you got gotta,

it's kind of confusing, I would say.

Any sauna and any heat therapy will detox you if you achieve those outcomes I keep mentioning.

You know, if you if you increase core temperature three degrees and you sweat out a pound of water, what's happening is the cells are heated up for a period of time and they start to produce heat shock proteins.

Heat shock proteins help cell detox and they help with

like optimization your proteins in your body.

It like fixes your your protein function.

So it's it has a a rejuvenation effect.

You're having that anytime you heat up the cell.

The question is,

how are we heating up the body?

And if we look at how infrared light heats up the body, not all infrared is the same.

What I've been saying is that near-infrared light is the majority of what you get from the sun.

And it's near-infrared light that penetrates the most deeply.

It's actually about 950 nanometers.

Near-infrared light has been shown to penetrate

like four, five, even six inches into the body.

Wow.

So near-infrared light also is the only wavelength that penetrates bone tissue.

So if we want to heal the brain, get this light therapy to the brain, we need to use near-infrared light.

And that has to do with the optical window of the human body.

So the human body has lots of blood in it, which is hemoglobin, and has lots of melanin and lots of water.

So our bodies are full of this stuff.

Water begins to absorb light in the infrared spectrum.

So it doesn't absorb near-infrared very well because that's at the beginning of water's absorption.

But once you get into mid-infrared and far-infrared, you have 100% absorption of the light, of the photons by water.

So I'm talking about far-infrared as in far-infrared saunas.

So most of the saunas out there have these long tube emitters that are called far-infrared emitters, or they have these black like panels.

They're called far-infrared carbon emitter panels.

So those are all emitting this long wavelength, low-energy infrared called far-infrared.

And that's 100% absorbed by water.

And since you have water all in your body, the far-infrared wavelengths are not penetrating deeply.

And you can see

this is very clearly documented in the literature.

But near-infrared does penetrate deeply.

So

far-infrared wavelengths are penetrating very shallowly, and they're basically heating you from the outside in.

That's why these far-infrared saunas, you have to preheat them like an hour.

And then you have to get in an hour, just like a regular sauna, like a traditional sauna.

With a near-infrared sauna using like an electric light bath, because we're using predominantly near-infrared light to heat heat the body uh the heat the heating effect is radiant so it's instead of being conductive the air heating you from the outside in like a far infrared sauna with near-infrared sauna the light itself is going four or five inches into your body and heating you from within so it's a long it's a long-winded way of answering your question uh the the answer is not all infrared's the same far infrared's not going in deep so it's kind of just heating you up like a regular sauna it's mostly using the air to heat you up but if you use near-infrared light in an electric light bath, yes, the penetration is much deeper and the detox effect is much faster.

Got it.

But in all of these, even if you get in a hot tub, if you stay in there long enough, you're getting a detox effect because you raise that core temperature of the body, the heat shock proteins get produced and you sweat.

Yeah, I set my hot tub at 104, so I think I am achieving that three-degree increase.

Oh, yeah.

If you stay in there long enough, definitely.

That's good to know.

You have some drawbacks of the hot tub.

It's like usually the chemicals, the chlorine tubes.

Yeah, I'm learning about that now.

The bromine, you know, the things that disinfect.

So sauna presents itself as maybe a better way to detox.

And then within the sauna world, you know, what we do is just so fast because you sit in a sauna space sauna, and as soon as you sit in there and turn the lights on, the heat is being delivered to four or five inches, and you're heating with the body from within.

Instant, yeah.

Instant.

So the sweat effect is way faster.

The sauna session is 25, 30 minutes.

We actually have our seven bulb system.

We call it our supersauna.

So you add in another three bulbs to make seven bulbs.

And that session is only like 14 minutes.

Wow.

14 minutes, you're done.

So sign me up for people, you know, like everybody needs to use sauna.

If you look at the research, it's like this health span extension stuff, this, this, uh, and this reduction in dementia.

The research indicates that you need to achieve that sauna session outcome like three times a week.

Oh, that's it?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

At least one day a week, but three times a week.

Like, it's proportional.

So the more you do sauna sauna per week, the more your reduction of all-cause mortality is.

Wow.

That's impressive.

But if you're talking about a one-hour preheat and a one-hour sauna session, that's a six-hour week investment versus what we do.

It's, you know, it's 15 to 25 minutes per session.

It's, you know, it's something that everybody has the time for.

I've talked about it at all.

I'm glad you mentioned the lose a pound thing because sometimes I feel like I'm not in the sauna enough, but I notice the temperature is way higher.

But I'm actually still probably losing a pound, even though it's 15 minutes.

Yeah, and you can always measure that.

You can weigh yourself before and after if you want to be like left-brain about it.

But ultimately, the sauna is ormetic stress therapy.

So

that's this concept where just like exercise and cold plunge and everything else, there's a maximum benefit point you get after a certain duration, where if you don't do enough, you don't get that maximum benefit.

If you go too long, you get declining benefit and you actually you might have too much stress on the body.

Just like you don't want to do too much sauna.

You You don't want to do too much light therapy or too much cold plunge.

So every person needs to hit that

optimal stress, you know, that optimal benefit point.

And it's different for every person.

It's going to be different for every day.

Yeah.

It's not even about like getting in there and having to be 220 degrees and like having this sort of torture chamber session.

It's all about getting in there and understanding, reconnecting with yourself and your intuition and

feeling like, how, how much do I need today?

It'll change day to day, and you definitely don't want to do too much.

But if you're not in there, if you're not sweating at all, you're not really achieving the benefits

that you're going for.

You need to sweat at least a little bit.

And so usually what it is, is you get in there and you start sweating strongly.

You know, the sweat starts dripping down.

You know, you want to do that for at least like five minutes once you really start beating up sweat.

I'm at the point now, if I don't hit the sauna once a week, I feel off that week.

Yeah, you feel it, huh?

You feel it in the brain yeah every

brain body i mean i it's it's such a good stress reliever too after a long day of work just hopping on the sauna feel great after it is it is and and for it's uh we get out of our bodies nowadays you know we're really the modern lifestyle you know we're stressed out all day long and we're detached from ourselves and it's such a great way to like passively without doing something you know like in in health and in wellness too like we keep there's a lot of focus on doing things like taking supplements you know some guys are taking 100 supplements a day 150 or 150 you know uh and and some people are just trying to work out like crazy and and doing all these all these things you know that you're doing doing doing for benefits and that's

uh i think it's more important to just be you know we have this unlimited power we have this divinely created uh tool our human body this inner engineering that's that's brilliant and in the sauna we get to just be you just sit there and do nothing and you have all this awesome awesome stuff that's going on.

And I think particularly the benefits to the nervous system and the mind.

Like,

if you're anxious or you're jacked up, it calms you down.

If you're low energy and you're lethargic and you're kind of like depressed, it boosts you.

For sure.

It's very different from a lot of other

therapies out there.

How do you feel about steam rooms?

Because I'm seeing some concerning things about some of the ones that use top water in their rooms.

You know, it's another way to heat the body.

i think i think if if

if that's all you're if that's the only thing you're doing and that's that's way better than doing nothing you know uh this this idea of detoxing become it's become so essential nowadays we do live in a very strange world nowadays where we have so much toxin exposure and the human body is designed to use the the d the the sweating is the fourth detox system so we breathe out a lot of toxins that's our number one actually oh wow is breathing yeah you you breathe in oxygen and you breathe out carbon dioxide.

So you actually, when you lose weight, your number one means of losing weight is actually breathing, breathing out.

So, you know, you wake up in the morning and you know, you have like maybe that film on your, on your tongue, that's like you've been

detoxing.

You've been exhaling toxins throughout the night.

So we breathe,

we have the urine and we have the bowels.

And

those are the three main systems.

But the fourth main one is the sweating.

It's the detox via sweating.

But that's the one that we don't activate in the modern lifestyle because we're not sweating enough.

And look, you know, where we are, we're all air-conditioned all the time, hiding away from the sun.

So

it's the most powerful way to detox the body is to cleanse the body from the inside out using heat passively in a sauna.

And

really any way that you do it is good.

I would say that the steam sauna is

a little bit more stressful.

For some people, the air is really hot.

And when the air is humid, you know, you feel the heat more so everybody needs to detox but people who have health issues or they're uh you know they have some health compromises or for whatever reason um they can't handle a steam sauna and they can't handle even a traditional sauna that's at 200 degrees they need they need a gentle safe way to heat up the body slowly and and work their way into it and that's what what we do is uh is so cool because the air is not like super hot it's the light that heats you you don't need the air to be hot So it's, it's a much more gentler way to to do sauna and to detox.

But I don't think steam's so bad.

It's, it's, there's definitely an issue with the tap water.

It's the same thing with like a hot tub.

Yeah, yeah.

Tap water, you know, if you, if you take a shower, I think I heard this from Ben Greenfield, like if you, if you do like 10 or 15 minutes in a tap water shower that's hot, you absorb more chlorine than drinking a glass of tap water.

Crazy.

So,

you know, everything's like devils in the details with like, you know, all these different ways that you want to detox.

Like, what's the best way?

You got to think about it.

Definitely.

Steam sauna is cool, but I would say it's not the most effective way.

Agreed.

What's the hottest sauna you've been in?

I went to a Russian bath once and I almost almost passed out there, man.

It's like 220, I think.

I was in, yeah, I was in a sweat lodge once.

It was super hot.

It was probably 210, 250.

Crazy.

Yeah, I lost like two minutes.

Yeah, they're really intense.

And some of those traditional ways of doing sweat lodge sauna are like, they stay in there like an hour and then they go out and they cycle they do cold therapy and they go back in so it's it's it's really it's really transformative it's really intense but just nowadays with how

um

how sick people are it's not something that everybody can handle right out the gates hot cold therapy well just these intense saunas that are just so like you know people a lot of people with autoimmune issues they have what's called body temperature, like thermoregulatory problems.

So

their body can't control, like it's too hot and too cold, and they're not like resilient.

They're not

adaptable to the temperature changes.

So they just can't handle regular sauna.

It's just too much for them.

You got to build up tolerance, right?

Yeah, start with like five minutes and then work their way.

Yeah, yeah, go real easy.

Yeah, a lot of folks who have those type of issues, like fiber mouse and other things who use our products, they start out with one or two bulbs.

So our panels, our saunas have different, you know, multiple switches on them.

So like

I've, I've had customers who start out with using even just a portable light on their belly for like months before they even get in the sauna.

Wow.

And they slowly build up their rheumatic stress.

They slowly shift their homeostasis.

And then, yeah, they get it back to where they can handle regular sauna.

Do you do

that?

That's cool.

Do you do the cold stuff at all, or you just do sauna?

I do.

I don't enjoy the cold as much as the heat.

You know, no, uh, no surprise there, but it is really, it's really beneficial too.

Okay.

One of the most

amazing, like

the feelings of Cloud9 of Zen flow state and cognitive function is starting out with a cold plunge and then doing my sauna afterwards.

You need more time to do that.

It's like a big time investment.

But yeah, if you have it, it's amazing to combine hot and cold together.

Love it.

Anything upcoming for Sauna Space?

Any new products or anything?

You know, it's always, there's always something on the front burner and the back burner.

Right now

we're doing a big rebrand that's launching this fall.

So that's like the biggest thing we have going on

as far as the brand identity.

But in the product space, yeah, we've got a new towel system that's coming out.

It's a custom Sana Space towel system.

It's organic.

Our sauna's a trapezoidal shape, so it's a little bit different looking and the stool.

So we have a custom towel system that fits it perfectly.

Nice.

So we got that going on.

We're working on our own desk arm.

The portable light that you have.

Yep.

It has bolt anchors in the back so it can mount to like a monitor arm.

You know, like those desk arms that clamp to the desk.

So we have our own coming out

probably in the fall, actually, at this point.

So some new accessories coming out.

I love it.

Yeah, the towel stuff, that brings up.

a weird interesting conversation.

So when you sweat, apparently your clothing, have you looked into this?

Your clothing can leach into it?

Oh, yeah yeah i mean that's why you see me wearing linens here uh uh ideally you want to be wearing high frequency fabric but at the least uh you don't want to be wearing plastic and certainly not in the sauna and polyester too you can't wear nylon polyester those are all you know plastic plastic textiles and it's hard to avoid that stuff it's hard to find like good clothes yeah and like if you look at the workout wear like gym gym shorts and stuff that there there is no such thing as colour you know it's all synthetic so yeah when you when you heat it when you heat that material up and you sweat, you do absorb those microplastics in your body.

Oh gosh.

Like polyester, you know, having polyester in your home, like in your curtains is no problem.

But

when you're wearing a polyester t-shirt and you're working out at the gym, you absorb the

monomers, you know, the little pieces of that material, and they're actually estrogenic.

So they act as estrogen.

So it's an exogenous estrogen.

That's not good for men.

Well, it's not good for women either.

It has this hormonal effect on the body that, yeah,

you definitely don't want to be wearing the sauna, but really anytime you're sweating or anything.

I'm in some basketball league, so they make us wear polyester jerseys.

I wonder if there's a workaround to that, but

sauna.

A lot of boxers or polyester.

Yeah, maybe you can wear an undershirt.

That might be helpful.

Yeah, you mean

cotton or linen?

Cotton, linen, wool.

If you think of natural fabrics, there's bamboo fabrics out there.

They're pretty good.

I actually just switched toilet paper to bamboo toilet paper.

Oh, yeah, me too.

Crazy how even your toilet paper can be.

Well, yeah, I watched a thing on Instagram about how you absorb a lot of chemicals.

Yep.

A lot of forever chemicals in the toilet paper.

I had no idea.

That was the last switch I probably needed to make because I had switched toothpaste, I switched deodorant, everything.

I didn't even think about toilet paper.

Yeah, and so with clothes,

if it's not all your clothes, you know, at least your underwear.

Yeah.

You know, switch that to natural fabrics.

But in the fabric world, linen is actually the most like fabrics have frequencies.

So

linen is the highest frequency.

It's like 5,000 hertz.

Cotton is like probably a thousand hertz or something.

Wow.

And silk's a little less, like 70 hertz.

But if you look at polyester and stuff like that, it's like very low frequency, you know, 20 hertz or something.

And, and, and, and we all have frequency, right?

Everything in the universe vibrates.

So a healthy human is at least 70 hertz or maybe more.

But if you're wearing something that is lower frequency, it's bringing you down.

It's literally vibing you down.

That's insane.

Yeah, and you look at an unhealthy human, the frequency gets lower and lower and lower.

That correlates to development of disease and dysfunction in the body.

I'm going to start buying some linen, man.

Yeah, it's a process, but I started switching over a couple of years ago, and it's well worth it.

It's well worth it.

It feels good.

Yeah, I wonder why it's so high.

Is it the way it's made or something?

How does that work?

I don't know.

But, But, you know, I just got back from a trip from Egypt.

Yeah.

And they wrap the mummies in linen.

Interesting.

And in hospitals, up until, you know, the rise of like the petrochemicals and DuPont and nylon and plastic and stuff, all of the hospital sheets were all linen.

Everything was linen.

Another high-frequency fabric is hemp.

Okay.

Hemp's pretty high too.

And hemp, you know, back in the day, hemp was, you know, all the sailboats, sails, and all the ropes and all the clothing, you know, everything was hemp.

So

yeah, all that stuff is, it's still available.

You can get it, but yeah, it's.

They make it harder and more expensive.

They do.

I'm going to Egypt in October with Billy Carson.

Anything you recommend us doing?

Wow.

Yeah.

So much I recommend doing.

So definitely get down to Luxor.

So Luxor was the original religious capital of Egypt back in the day, all the way up until Alexander the Great, actually.

And some of the most impressive, amazing stuff is in Luxor.

Of course, you're going to go see the great pyramids you know giza but the luxur temple and karnak and there's this place south of luxur called dendera that was one of the coolest places actually we went at the end they have this i have it on my phone there's we we went into the dendera temple and into like the secret tunnel

like a kind of a crypt kind of area underneath the temple and there's a there's a hieroglyphic sculpture of a lamp it's called the dendera lamp and it's literally this dude holding this, what looks like an Edison light bulb with a snake in it, with a cable going into it.

It's fascinating.

Whoa, so they had electricity back all the way back then?

Well,

how did they carve all those carvings in the crypts and stuff in the dark, you know, without fire?

They couldn't use fire because it would have eaten up all the oxygen in those areas.

So how are they lighting?

you know, the areas for the workers for days and weeks and months on end.

So

there's this thing that's like unmistakably a lamp.

And and it's got like this guy standing in front of it looks like a lizard alien and he's holding these knives up like danger there's radiation you know coming out of it and there's this other uh carving that has like cables going into these things that look like transformers and they're shooting uh light into this ball that has lightning bolts in it looks like electricity like it's unmistakable interesting yeah that was yeah so you got to get down to luxury and just explore all that stuff there's so much there that's so much older yeah you thought.

It's definitely our closest connection to Atlantis.

Yeah, I can't wait.

They've done studies on highest frequency places in the world, and Egypt is number one, I believe.

And all the stuff there is, the classic archaeology says it's like 7,000 years old, but there's clearly things that are over 20,000 years old.

And it's not just the Sphinx.

There's all this pink granite down in the pyramids.

And another place I'd recommend you go is Saqqara.

Saqqara is like a, well, they call it a tomb.

It's right.

It's in the Giza Plateau.

Yeah.

And they have these things that are like boxes of granite and diorite, really hard stone.

They're perfectly cut things that are longer than this table and wider than it and taller than a human.

And they're like 140 tons.

They're perfectly cut, perfectly made.

And they all have these lids that are like 30-ton lids.

And they're sitting all in these little enclaves, these little nooks.

where there's no way a human put it in there.

Like it's, it's, it would take like 600 men men to put it in this, this little nook that only like 50 guys could fit in.

So, like, how did they get into where they were at?

How are they made?

And the creepiest thing about it is they're all, all of them have the lids, almost all of them have the lids, like, like open.

So, they're not coffins, dude.

They're, they look like something crawl out of them.

Wow, that's crazy.

Yeah, so that's in that's Saqqara.

So, check that out.

Yeah, I'm excited, man.

Should be a little spiritual awakening for me.

It really is.

You know, there's a piece of Egypt, I think, think, in all of us.

It's, you know, all the major religions kind of originate.

You know, all the myths and the legends kind of originate in Egypt.

And

all the things that were there, you know,

the Egyptians and the ancient Egyptians, even in the old empire, they just moved into things that were already there.

Those pyramids and all, they built their own stuff, certainly like Karnak and other stuff.

But there's some other stuff there that's super old.

That's definitely antediluvian.

Wow.

That's interesting.

So, yeah, you're going to have so much fun when you go there yeah brian it's been fun anything else you want to promote or close off with man uh no yeah if everybody has uh any questions you know our website sauna.space uh we we're all we're based in missouri so it's our products are handcrafted in the usa and we have in-house customer support so you call us up and and chat and email with us and And again, a lot of information and science on the website, sauna.space, and also on Instagram or handle Sonospace.

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