The $32K Tax Credit Your CPA Didn’t Tell You About! | Christopher Gitre DSH #580

To employ, you can take sick leave, you call in sick, but for the IRS program with the SCTC, for the first time, the IRS is saying, well, if you're self-employed, we're going to give you those same rights.

So you can call in sick with us.

And so now what we're doing is we're encouraging all of our clients to get every day that they were affected by COVID, get that information to us, and we will get your tax credit up to $32,000.

That's huge.

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All right, guys, we got Chris Gietray on today, previous winner of my poker tournament.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Absolute pleasure.

I didn't know you could play like that.

I've been practicing actually, you know, sometimes, you know, make a decision to be a professional poker player.

Now, not everyone can do it, right?

Yeah.

But I tried it out.

So when I was at your tournament, I used those skills, you know, up to them.

Yeah.

So you wanted to be pro growing up?

Well, you know, like we used to go out to the casino when we were 18, you know, drive out there down in Southern California.

Yeah.

And so I always took like a love loving to poker.

And then you get the chance, you got a little bit of a bank roll.

This is before I started my business.

You know, it's like you go out there and you try it out.

You study online.

You look at all the hand histories and find out how you can be better.

And you go play every day.

And honestly, that really helped me when you play poker kind of for the first time in a serious aspect, you start to realize that, you know, $1,000 isn't that much money, you know, because if you're in that early stage of being an entrepreneur,

one of the big keys is to unlock your ability to realize that money, you know, $1,000 isn't very much money.

$10,000 in the scheme of things is not very much money.

And there's people above my level that think, oh, a million dollars isn't very much money.

Right.

And, you know, so when you play poker and you're having thousand dollar pots, $5,000 pots, when you start to grow, you start, and those, that money swings back and forth between players of the tables.

You start to realize that, you know, this isn't, this isn't really that big a deal, this money.

And then you can use it to your advantage because you no longer have this, you know, kind of attachment to it, this, this necessity of needing it, you know, sort of thing.

Interesting.

Yeah, you probably played into some huge hands.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, the biggest hand i ever played my my favorite thing about playing poker was playing the world series of poker yeah so when you get out there and you're you sit next to the top guys like chance cornuth and and jungle man dan cates you actually can go play with those guys by playing the world series of poker and that's like that was so freaking exciting yeah you beat dan in my game too yeah i mean

you beat a good feel man there was cord garcia was there right there was a couple pros there that had world series bracelets that you beat yeah you know you know broken clock right twice a thing.

Yeah.

The humbleness.

I love it, dude.

Poker is also great for networking.

Oh, you know, it's actually interesting because some of my, two of my key top employees, you know, sometimes I go to the Red Rock.

You know, that's where Dana White goes and Elk Boys and all that.

Yeah.

It's a great casino.

And sometimes, you know, I go there and, you know, some of my partners in my business say, well, we want you to stay home.

Don't go to the casino.

We don't go once in a while.

But I got to kind of get back at them because I met a key figure in my business, a guy named Billy at the Red Rock.

I met him playing high-stakes poker.

Wow.

And he ended up bringing on some of my best employees through introductions.

Dance.

Yeah.

So then at that, you know, at the meetings, you can tell your partner and say, you know,

there's some, you know, really wealthy people there, right?

Yeah, as long as you're balancing it, right?

If you're not betting your whole bank account on it, then why not go for like a weekend once a month and just network and stuff, have fun.

Yeah, exactly.

Absolutely fun.

I want to dive into the relief consultants, why you started it and how you've scaled it to this level, man, because you're killing it.

Yeah, man.

So the relief consultants is interesting because personally as an entrepreneur, I was a little down and out before I started the company.

This is actually the beginning of COVID.

So it was like March, April 2020.

And I actually, interestingly enough, had secured money, I guess, investment from an investor for this idea actually involving poker.

So we were going to launch this new company, but that's when COVID hit and the World Series of Poker got canceled that year.

So I was sitting there and I was like, well, I had this investment secured.

And the investor called me and said, hey, I got to hold off because of the market conditions, which was a big blow, you know?

And so I, you know, really, you know, you sit in there after that point.

You're like, what am I going to do?

Cause I had just, you know, worked so hard to get this.

And then you come up with an idea.

Right.

And so during COVID, they came out with all the stimulus programs.

Yep.

And when I first looked at it, there was this guy on YouTube, Meet Kevin.

Classic.

Yeah, great, fun personality.

He's finance.

I used to watch his stock videos.

Yeah, yeah.

So on YouTube, you see him on there, and he's talking about every single stimulus program out there online.

And this is during the start of the pandemic.

And

at that point, it's like, well, everyone's not going to get what they should get.

There's so many programs out there and people are not going to know what they should get, how much.

So we started the relief consultants.

And our job was to basically, we became experts in the stimulus package, the CARES Act.

We ran down every single line of that bill.

And then we were able to help out Americans with getting what they deserve during COVID.

And we've transitioned, you know, obviously COVID's over.

Yeah.

Right.

So

now we're, our main focus is helping Americans get money that they deserve.

Nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

People don't even know about these programs, man.

You'd be surprised.

There is a program out there called the SETC actually that really

5% of people that could get it got it.

Wow.

And this is like $32,000 if you're self-employed.

Yeah.

So this is a program that you could, this is a program that if your CPA, you know, did it right, they should have claimed it on your 2020 and 21 taxes.

But no one really did it.

And we don't know why.

We can only kind of attribute it to the CPA issue where a lot of these CPAs have so many clients that they can't really focus individually.

And they're older school, too.

A lot of them aren't on top of the trends and stuff.

So when there's kind of new money out there, they don't get it for their clients.

Dude, I had a bag mine to file it.

He didn't even know about it.

And he's got hundreds of clients.

How'd that go?

I had to use a new account, to be honest, because he just didn't know how to do it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So at this point, we're here to pick up all the slack of all the accountants.

So to date, we've done about $80 million in submissions for our clients.

Wow.

Yeah.

So it's always great to get money back for someone.

And when you have a program that's so clearly designed for self-employed individuals who had to deal with COVID during the pandemic, if they got sick, if their kids' schools got shut down, then at that point, they couldn't work, right?

So the IRS is actually willing to pay those people money every single day they couldn't work.

And that's this program.

Yeah.

You know, so typically if you're like a W-2 employee, you can take sick leave, you call in sick.

But for the IRS program with the SCTC,

for the first time, the IRS is saying, well, if you're self-employed, we're going to give you those same rights.

So you can call in sick with us.

And so now what we're doing is we're encouraging all of our clients to get every day that they were affected by COVID, get that information to us, and we will get your tax credit up to $32,000.

That's huge.

And before that, you were doing ERC, right?

Yeah, ERC, big program, controversial controversial program.

Very.

And although it's a very real credit, and so

there are a lot of businesses who qualify for that credit that same situation had no freaking idea.

So many, dude.

Yeah.

And it kind of makes you wonder, like, where were the CPAs?

Because this was a program that's been out for, you know, the ERC and the SETC have been out for four years.

Yeah.

But you see many, many people not getting it till now.

Yeah, it's, it's an antiquated system.

I think they need to figure out a way to integrate all the accountants and just have a blast, like an email blast or something.

It's from the government.

The government's responsibility, I think, is also to tell the citizens about the programs.

Yeah.

You know, what's interesting is, remember that CARES Act, remember that $600 stimulus check?

Yeah.

You heard about it all the time.

It's actually because the Treasury Department was required to run a massive media campaign about that.

Wow.

That was in the bill.

It was a law.

I didn't know that.

But they weren't required to do that for the other programs.

Weird, eh?

So it's like, well, government, if you're going to give money out and you're going to help the American citizens, why don't just actually run some ad campaigns about that so we can all be informed.

But they don't do that.

And so that's why we're here, the relief consultants.

Yeah.

And there was a lot of fraud in the ERC space too.

There was.

And honestly, I go back to, you know, when you have a program that's, you know, actually they allocated $80 billion for the ERC, but they ended up paying out 500 billion.

Holy crap.

Right.

So what happened there?

You know,

little 7X.

That's crazy.

$500 billion.

They're just printing money, man.

And I feel like there'll always be a new like thing, like whether it's a loan or a program, so your company can pivot and keep scaling.

That's the great thing is every single year there's new programs out there.

There's new grants.

And so what we do is we kind of, we, we basically gather all that information and blast out to our clients on a monthly basis so they can be informed and they can tell their friends like, hey, there's a new credit out there.

There's a new grant.

And that's, you know, the good part is you get to tell other people about it and help your help your neighbors.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Cause now I'm finding out even SBA loans, the interest is super low.

You could get a million dollars.

Yeah.

SBA loans are the best type of loan.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Because you got what, 30 years to pay those off?

Something crazy?

You got a decent interest rate and a long time.

Yeah.

Right.

Just like you said.

And there's so many other options out there, these MCA loans.

They may be helpful for some businesses, but they're going to charge 40% plus.

I took one once from Shopify.

It was terrible.

And you had to pay it back every time you did a transaction?

Yeah, Shopify and PayPal.

Those are probably two of the biggest MCA ones.

Yeah.

And it's a big cost for businesses, you know?

So 30%, because you're looking to try to get 10% on your your loan.

Now, of course, the MCA is a fixed cost, but

you always hate to see businesses struggle because they take poor terms for their loans.

And so that's what we're here to do.

That's what we're here.

We basically help people get that money.

They don't have to even pay back.

Absolutely.

You've had an interesting journey finding a CTO.

I'd love to dive into that.

Yes.

I mean, you were in the crypto space with Chibi Dinos.

Yeah.

So I was also creating a platform to help influencers raise money.

We called it Creatorverse.

And we had a really strong idea.

We had some interest from backing from venture capitalists.

And it came time to bring on the CTO.

We actually brought on two

and we paid them very well, like over five figures a month for a salary, but they could also take time off whenever they wanted, you know, full-time PTO, all that.

And turns out, after six months of paying, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars invested later, the guys didn't really even know how to code.

What?

And they delivered nothing.

They didn't know how to code?

They didn't do anything.

And basically, our suspicion is that they couldn't because they didn't know how to.

They basically didn't do anything.

Wow.

Yeah.

How'd you find them?

So,

you know, one, I just, you know, use Google and I found the top searching LinkedIn page.

And I thought, you know, this guy might be, he knows what he's doing.

He's got SEO on his LinkedIn

and no buedo.

Wow.

No bueno.

What a scam.

That is crazy.

Yeah.

Making a fake LinkedIn and then charging 10K a month for coding.

Yep.

And we knew he was dealing with like four or five other companies.

No way.

At the same time.

Damn.

So did you get that money back eventually?

Oh, no.

He's just gone.

He put everything in writing that

he's going to pay us back, blah, blah, blah.

But at the end of the day, it's tough to prove those things in court.

And we know that the court process takes years.

Yeah.

You probably spend 100K even fighting it in court.

Yep.

On legal.

Yep.

And the guy, you know, that kind of guy, you can probably think he probably doesn't have much money anymore if he's scamming like that because everyone needed a CTO during.

crypto run.

Right.

Yeah.

And so it's tough to kind of know who's good.

If you don't know how to, if you're a CEO, if you're an entrepreneur, you're trying to make something new and you're not tech savvy, there's really kind of very few ways to know unless you kind of have that network of developers who can like run a test on them.

But there's no way to know if the CTO is going to be good or developer knows what they're doing.

Right.

It's a very complex skill.

It is.

So did you end up finding a good one after that?

Yeah, that's the good part is we actually went out, reached out about the story.

And because of that,

a different developer wanted to work with us.

You had heard what happened.

And that was about two and a half years ago.

And this guy's guy's with me to this day wow and this is and if uh you know if you ever meet uh if you ever meet travis you know he's incredible works with david shinkle who is just crushing it on the marketing side yep and uh you'll know that you know this guy travis is really good if you anything tech related you need you can just holler our way beast yeah it's always good to have a techie on standby so many fuck-ups with websites and whatever you know absolutely yeah that's an important hire what other hires you say were really important for you to scale this thing man it's all about the consultants for my business.

So we help our clients get that money back and we give that personal touch.

So every single client of ours has a direct one-to-one consultant that's assigned to their case.

And, you know, when you have people that are, their whole life is revolved on getting others money, they care and they have to care.

If they don't care about it and it's not something that's exciting for them, then it's not going to work out as a consultant for our business.

Right.

And so, you know, when you hire a lot of people, once in a while, you get a really strong consultant, a really strong person in general when you hire.

I think the whole hiring process is extremely difficult.

It is, dude.

It's not easy.

You've gotten through a lot of people.

Yeah.

Because

it's just hard to align, I think, when you and I are so mission-driven and it's hard to find people like that.

What do you do to kind of get your guys aligned with your strategies?

Bonuses, I noticed.

Because if you just give a salary, I mean, they're going to do the minimal work.

So if you give them incentives, you know what I mean?

Like if you do this, I'll give you like an extra 20% or take you out to a nice dinner, whatever it is, whatever level you're at.

That helps a lot, I noticed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think the incentive-based life is one we all want to live because then you actually can care about your day-to-day life.

Yeah.

So I've always been shied away from the W-2 job without any promise of equity or something like that, even just straight W-2.

Same.

It wouldn't be fulfilling.

It's hard to, you know, what's your goals there?

I mean, you know,

climb the corporate ladder.

I mean, that's, that sounds like.

No fun, right?

Yeah, that's our, that's a different era, man.

That's much like our grandparents did that stuff.

They stayed at the same company for like their whole life.

But now it's like new company every few years.

You got like one set of people who just jump jobs like two years, every two years, from tech company to tech company, it seems, right?

And then you have another set of people like who are entrepreneurs who just want to be, you know, entrepreneurs their whole life, like you, like myself.

And obviously there's this different makeup between those two.

But, you know, there's nothing.

I honestly.

you know, it's, it's, the entrepreneurial life is so great.

I love it, dude.

I know it's way more riskier and the odds are not in your favor.

I think 95% of businesses fail after 10 years, but it's just, it's fun knowing you could wake up and do whatever you want.

Yeah, because you're like a sports guy, I feel like, as well.

You play basketball and all that.

It's like a sport.

For sure.

Yeah.

24-7.

Yeah.

Mark Cuban says that.

Yeah.

And you just got to try to improve every day and bring your best to the table and do whatever it takes to

get to your best, you know, to bring the best to the table every day.

And so.

It's not an easy task, you know, and I think entrepreneurs need to do that.

There's no days off for an entrepreneur.

No, I used to to work literally seven days a week, probably the first five years.

Yeah.

No vacation for five years.

And then like, we may not pay off immediately, but if you, if you're doing it right and you're hitting the right sweet spot, and then after that time, a year or two, it's just going to start piling in.

Yep.

And I think both you and I see what it looks like to pile in on a daily basis.

You're seeing 10K deposits, you know, 20K deposits a day.

Yeah.

And that's obviously, there's people on that large level from me.

I, you know, I know people are doing, you know, 30, 40 million a year in sales.

So that's obviously amazing.

But just seeing cash come into your account every day from the work you've done is just so freaking motivating.

Absolutely.

Yeah, the first few years were really hard, man.

That first 100K, super hard.

Would you start?

Where would you start?

E-commerce.

So the margins are thin and you're on your own.

You don't know much.

And I didn't have a mentor personally.

So it took three years, get that first 100K profit.

What was like the breaking point, the switch for you?

So I love e-commerce.

It had a lot of great things.

Like I learned how to run ads.

I learned branding, how to grow a following, but just the margins.

So switching the more high ticket offer,

like consulting or whatever, like stuff you're doing, affiliate stuff with high margin.

I think that was the big switch for me.

Yeah, those high tickets prices are so great.

Yeah.

I don't do anything low ticket anymore.

It's not worth it.

Yeah.

Because then you're dealing with tens of thousands of customers for a low ticket.

I hate the customers.

Yeah.

I'd rather just deal with 30 customers a month, charge a job for energies for a few dozen.

Yeah.

And then really, you know, provide a lot of value for each one, right?

Because then you have time freedom too.

Yeah.

Like that's, that's super important to me.

Location freedom and time freedom.

I want to be able to live wherever I want and do whatever I want, whenever.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, also working.

It's like you can vacation as an entrepreneur, right?

But you also have your laptop with you.

Yeah, for sure.

You're never really fully in vacation mode when you're an entrepreneur.

Yeah.

Because you get that one email.

You're like, babe,

I got to work for like an hour.

There's always fires.

People don't talk about it.

Yeah.

But I mean, payment processing holds, people scamming you.

Yeah.

People trying to bring you down.

You ever had a girlfriend work with, work for you?

We, I work with my fiancé, but I know what you're meaning.

It's, it's, uh, it's a game.

It's tough.

Well, actually, one of the first people I hired, you know, back in 2020 for the company, you know, I was starting out and she saw something to me, I guess, because a couple of weeks later, we started dating.

And she's been one of my top consultants.

She's brought in like a couple million dollars in sales the last few years.

Great numbers for one consultant.

Yeah, we started dating like basically, fairly quickly after, you know, it was, it was during COVID, right?

So it's like, what else we're going to work?

And, and, you know, we met up because you can't meet up with anyone else, right?

So only a few people.

And, um, you know, it's actually really nice when you're, if you're working very closely, like in a, for a leadership position.

And actually, I think Hermozi and his wife do that.

Yeah, they crush it.

And it's, it's actually nice to be able to have those conversations about what's going on from a client to client basis.

You know, some client doesn't want to pay.

You have that conversation at the dinner table.

I'm like, that's my love language right there.

So,

yeah, I'd always recommend that for entrepreneurs, you know, to trust, you know, to potentially trust their, you know, their significant others to work for them.

It may work out, but it may not.

I feel like it usually doesn't.

You got to really establish boundaries.

Yeah.

I didn't really establish the boundaries.

We just talked about work all day long, honestly.

I used to do that, but it got to the point where we were work 99% and personal 1%.

So I had to adjust those ratios.

Yeah.

And that's why we moved out to Vegas because there's so much freaking cool stuff out here.

So much.

I love it here, man.

You're from L.A., right?

No, I lived there for five months.

I hated it.

Okay.

I'm from Jersey.

Okay, Jersey.

That's where our guys are from, actually.

Oh, yeah.

I got to maybe meet them.

Some of our other consultants.

Yeah, Jersey's got good people, man.

We left Southern California at the end of 21.

Same.

And I'm from there.

I was born in San Diego, California, and I just can't believe what's happening over there.

Dude, I went to San Diego last month or last year in December.

Yeah.

I didn't feel safe.

Oh, yeah, downtown?

Yeah, I stayed downtown.

There was more homeless people walking around than normal people.

Right.

That's smart.

Yeah.

And they were all on some intense drug.

Like you could see it.

It was crazy.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I've been on them.

Yeah.

When you're around those kind of people for a long time, it actually makes you just kind of desensitized, which I think is not good for, you know, that whole situation.

So now you're on here now, you know, in Vegas.

Yeah, there's obviously a few homeless people here.

But for the most part, especially like in the Summerlin areas, which is where I'm using, it's just really nice.

Super nice.

Summerlin, Henderson.

You don't see many homeless in either, those two.

And you just think about it, like, what's the solution for that?

Like, I've sat there, like, what could you possibly do?

Yeah, because you were actually homeless, right?

Well, I mean, it wasn't like them.

You know, you're talking about the car.

You got this car.

Yeah.

So there's like, so that's actually a really, really key point for me.

It's like, so, um, you know, it's like you can be at your lowest point in your life, but if you can, if you can focus and get your stuff together.

I mean, when I was really low, don't get me wrong.

I had a live, I was living in my car, right?

And you see YouTubers living in their car these days, you know, so it's doable.

Yeah.

But it's definitely not that.

It's obviously unsafe.

Right.

You know, so you sleep in a parking lot.

And there was like three to five weeks I had to do that.

Yeah.

Right.

And that was before I started my business.

But it was, it was really honestly that, that bottom moment that you,

you know, have to, you can actually draw back on that.

As an entrepreneur,

you know, when you are not in your successful place, and you, but and actually, let's say you are, and you can get your kind of your head warped a little bit about,

okay, I'm successful.

I don't remember what it's like to be super hungry.

But if you had those really rough experiences, you know, you can, you can draw from those and help you get back into that hungry mindset, mind state as an entrepreneur.

Absolutely.

I think it's important to have low moments like that.

Because if you're just always at a mediocre level, you're never going to have that to draw back on, like you're saying, right?

Yeah.

And I think, you know, Gary Vee talks about it, like

people that from the rough, the rough upbringings, you know, some of those people have um a drive that you just can't get anywhere else yeah immigrant mentality yeah um and i appreciate the agreements immigrants even though even though what's going on at the border is pretty rough you know yeah that's a whole nother podcast

that's the political yeah now when you were in your car for three to five weeks did you feel a sense of shame not wanting to tell your parents or your friends that you were in that situation yeah yeah i didn't tell anyone wow yeah No, I really, I mean, maybe, I think I had to ask a friend actually who helped me get out of it for some money.

Yeah.

A couple hundred bucks to get a room here.

And, you know, you could rent a room for 400 bucks.

In Vegas?

Yeah, I think most places.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And in most cities, you can rent, you know.

Like 400 a month or so?

Yeah, I think you could.

Yeah, probably on Airbnb.

And that reminded me, that was actually 2019.

Oh, wow.

And that was Craigslist.

Craigslist.

No one would use Craigslist anymore.

Maybe it ended up in a trailer somewhere.

Yeah.

So, you know,

once you kind of scrounge up a little bit of money, you know,

you just got to get that starting point, you know, if you get that rent.

And then from there if you i had a laptop you can leverage what you got to keep growing and

man it's just about keep grinding until you find a good idea and then you just invest in that idea crazy man from there to nearly doing 100 million in revenue five years later is unreal dude i just love the fact that you know entrepreneurship could bring you to those kind of heights you know yeah absolutely do you have any goals missions you're trying to really get at this year next year so we want to help our clients do another hundred million dollars this year um and we want to we want to keep growing that as well.

I got to tell you, actually, so there's a lawsuit I actually just got settled with.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

Gitrie versus Ewing.

Ewing?

Ewing, yeah.

So this guy, actually, we called him to inform him about ERC.

Someone actually told us, hey, this person's interested about ERC.

You should give him a call.

One of my guys, Tyler, gave him a call.

He acted like he wanted to work with us and do business with us.

However, the next day, I got an email from the guy saying, you've just been served a federal lawsuit.

Whoa.

Yeah.

For what?

It turns out his number had been on the do not call list.

And he sued us for a million dollars from that one phone call.

No.

Yes.

For being on the do-not-call list?

The one phone call.

Dude, I could have sued so many companies for that.

I'm on that list.

And that is what we want to actually offer our clients in the next few years is we want to offer a streamlined process to sue the telemarketer violations.

Oh, to sue him?

To sue the people who are cold calling and

spam calling all the Americans.

Because he was probably so fed up.

He's gotten spammed and he just took it out on you guys.

That guy, guy, Ewing, he is a serial litigator.

So that's all he does for his whole life.

I've run into a few people like that.

All he does is sue for those telemarketer violations and he sues for a million dollars and he settles for 15k and he just needs to get 10 done a year to live.

And he lives in San Diego, actually.

Yeah.

To afford to live in that city, you need to make $150K.

So he does 10 a year.

I can never make money like that, dude.

That's what he does.

So

I got.

Yeah, go ahead.

Well, I mean, maybe some people here have, and you guys have like experienced this, but like you get spam calls if you're an entrepreneur every day, right?

Yeah.

I get like 10 a day.

Same.

And I'm on the DNC list too.

And they're annoying.

I haven't really, I mean, I haven't done my phone blocking yet.

So what I'm trying to say is like, I, I, I get a lot of calls from my clients and from referrals and I don't know their numbers.

So when I get a spam call from a random number, I have to answer it.

So I have to answer these guys every single time.

That's annoying.

Yeah.

If I don't have the number saved, I literally don't answer.

Yeah.

Okay.

But I see the voicemail and it's always like a spam.

But yeah, just be nice.

I got hit with the TCPA when I was in college, dude.

Oh.

Yeah.

So I'm familiar with this.

What was the, what happened with it?

Dude, I mean, other than me having panic attacks every day,

I had to settle.

But if I didn't settle and it went to court, it would have been $500 for every text sent.

Yep.

And I sent, I think, thousands.

So I would have been bankrupt.

So you settled?

Yeah.

If I didn't settle, it would settle the whole company and my finances would have been a wreck.

And that was from a Shopify app that was based in India that would text people when they abandoned their cart.

They weren't compliant with TCPA.

Wow.

So learned my lesson from that, man.

Yep.

Yep.

And so, well, that leads the question is, do you think that

people should be sued if they do the RoboDAOs 20 times a day?

for one person?

Like, you know, that sort of thing.

If they're on the DNC list,

I could see a case for it right but if not it's just business yeah yep because i get i run lead ads on facebook but the thing is i don't know if those numbers are on the dnc list so do you have to manually check there's a way i'm happy to share it with you it's a website where you can cross-reference your lead list it'll automatically tell you and kick out the dncs it'll also point out the serial litigators there's like a list of 700 of them across the country i need that does the dnc also apply to techs yeah oh shit i got it definitely wrong yeah we'll talk after this yeah those serial litigators, man.

I think I ran into one with my case.

Do you think it's a moral thing to do, like, let's say, like, as a business, to help a lot of other people, like Americans who are dealing with that, to actually help them sue the companies easily?

Like

to provide a service.

Sue which companies?

The telemarketers.

If they're on the DNC.

Yeah, I think it would help, right?

Because,

I mean, it's not ethical.

It's not ethical?

If you're calling people on the DNC list.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I agree with that.

Is that what you're doing?

We are building that process up to start offering that because those are $15,000 settlements.

So if I can get any person, I can basically our goal is to say, hey, you're getting spam calls?

Yes or no?

They say yes.

Okay.

We're going to get you on the DNC.

You got to be on there for 31 days.

And if they call you after that, let me assume.

Call us back in 31 days.

And when the

person calls you, you get this information from them.

And then we will facilitate the lawsuit and you'll get a check in like five months.

Interesting.

And you do that over and over again.

Sounds pretty streamlined, right?

But I've got a lot of push, I've got some pushback about like,

you know, it's not ethical.

Like it's like you're hurting the cold, you're hurting those small businesses that are doing the cold calling.

I could see it from both points of views.

Because they're just trying to, you know, do business.

They're just trying to just make money.

Yeah, it depends how they're getting the leads, I'd say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that's where it comes down to.

But if they're running ads, spending their own dollars on the leads, I think they deserve to call them.

Oh, yeah.

As long as they have the proper disclosures.

Like when I run leads, I'm pretty sure it says this number will be texted.

And there's a checkbox and they agree to it.

Yep.

So they know they're going to be contacted.

But what's happening is that there's these lists of leads that get in some industries, they get spread around.

Yeah, that's where.

And then like everyone, you start getting calls from like 30 people.

You're like, how the heck did that happen?

Yeah.

That's where it's annoying because I know what you mean.

I've signed up for like car insurance and I'll get called from like 20 different companies.

I'm like, damn.

It's so I guess it's illegal if you're on the DNC though.

Yeah.

Interesting.

So if you're yeah, sorry, go ahead.

No, go ahead.

Well, 20 companies are calling you, 15K.

Was that 300,000 if we get all 20?

Keep me posted, man.

I'll fill out applications all day and see who contacts me.

Yeah.

That's funny.

Anything you're working on next?

Yeah, I mean, that's that, what I'm working on next, I think, is just actually that.

Okay.

That's like, well, because right now SCTC, that's the self-employment tax credit.

That ends next year, right?

That ends in 2025.

Okay.

So there's like a shelf life.

So yeah, we always got to have the next thing in the chamber.

Yeah.

But right now, it's all in on SCTC.

We just, we're bringing on consultants in at tens at a time.

So we're bringing out 10 consultant groups.

We teach them up.

We teach them how to make a lot of money from this.

You know, they work for us and they make, you know, multiple six figures if they're doing a good job.

Great job for someone who wants to, you know, really grind.

And then, you know, basically just getting the word out to everyone, hey, if you're self-employed during COVID, you could qualify up to $32,220 and no one knows about it and no one got it.

Yeah, we're going to put the link in the description.

I think that'll help a lot of people, man.

Anything else you want to close off with?

No, just thanks for bringing me on, Sean.

Absolutely love what you're doing for the city of Las Vegas and the entrepreneurs around here, man.

Thanks, man.

Means a lot.

Thanks for coming on.

Thanks, Sean.

Thanks for watching, guys, as always.

See you next time.