Red Flags: Love Bombing & Toxic Relationships EXPOSED! | Annie Lobert DSH #577

Was waking up the next day, like within the next couple weeks.

He was living with me.

Wow.

He moved in, like, boom.

If a guy moves in with you, ladies, listen, and says, I want to marry you right away, red flags, red flags, and buys you jewelry and just love bombs you, hello.

It's a big sign of a cult for one.

But number two, it's a sign of a potential toxic psycho relationship.

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Ladies and gentlemen, former call girl and founder of Hookers for Jesus, Annie Loebert here today.

How's it going?

Good, Sean.

How's it going with you?

Good to see you.

I mean, you've got a crazy story.

One of the craziest I've ever seen, I think.

Woo, well, you know, it can always get crazier.

Yeah.

So you were a call girl for how long?

I was a call girl for 11 years on the Las Vegas trip.

And if we don't know what that means, I was basically an escort for undercover escort agencies that were proposing themselves as a stripogram.

Stripogram.

Yep.

We would come into the room and tell the client, aka trick buyer, and if someone's offended too bad, take it.

They are buyers of sex and buyers of people.

So we take our clothes off for the fee.

for $150 to $200.

Then we say to them, if you want anything else, you got to tip above and beyond that.

Starts at $500 and goes up up from there.

I have a menu for you.

If you like full service, it'll be 2,000.

Damn.

If you want the full hour, I can make that happen.

But it's up to you how long you can last.

You get one shot, and that's it.

Wow.

Not to be so verbal and frank, but yes, that's how we used to propose to the men that were purchasing us.

So we met a lot of different types of people.

And I'm telling you, it was

a complete roller coaster ride my life.

When I first got into it, I loved it.

I was addicted to the money, addicted to the jewels, the fast money, the cars, the people I was meeting.

I mean, who wouldn't want to meet movie stars?

Right.

NBA stars, football stars,

judges.

Judges.

Wow.

Who wouldn't want to meet political heroes and political zeros?

Because it's all on the list.

In fact, I'm thinking about writing that in my next book.

You're going to have to name drop some people.

If I do, Sean, here's what's scary.

I might get killed.

I'm not kidding you.

Did you sign an NDA?

No, you never signed an NDA.

You just do it.

And here's the thing.

With the escort services back then, this is in 1988, 87.

So back then, there was no social media.

There was no like internet.

Think about it.

Internet started popping in 93, 94.

AOL online came on, and there were no escort service advertisements anywhere except for the yellow pages, After Dark magazines, and any type of newspaper that offered personal ads for sex.

And they never would normally say for sex.

It would say, hey, meet up with me.

I'm a horny cheerleader from college, and I'm barely 18, and I just want to meet up with you.

And men would call the ads, obviously, and they would offer money.

So escort servicing is something that is considered high class because you're not walking on the street.

You're not walking on the the carpet.

The carpet is the casino floor, basically, and a hotel floor.

Escorting is a separate type of way to sell yourself.

But if you just break it down, whether you're walking on the street, whether you're a gold digger, right?

That's the highest class type of escort, lying about you're searching for a man that's a multi-billionaire or zillionaire and you're going to marry him and then dump him, or you're going to marry him and then just have all the relationships that you want, cheat on him and use all his money.

It's the same thing.

You're selling your

and it's for sale and you can be bought.

Yeah.

And see, true love waits.

True love's not for sale.

Right.

And that being said, did you find a marriage?

I did.

I'm married to Os Fox from the band Striper.

Dang.

How did that happen?

That happened on MySpace, believe it or not.

I was too young for that one, but I've heard of MySpace.

Yeah.

What I did was I called myself ex-hooker Annie Lobert and I put my story on.

There was about 17 pages.

It was pretty intense.

It was the start of this book that I wrote, actually.

This turned into the book.

And he contacted me through my friend Heather Veach and Kevin Max from DC Talk.

You know the band's DC Talk?

Heard of it.

He was friends with them, and he was in town recreating the album.

Murder by Pride with Striper.

And he met with Kevin, and Kevin brought Heather along.

And then Heather had a MySpace, and he went to her MySpace.

I was her top friend.

He clicked on my story, and the rest is history.

Wow.

He contacted me and said, hey, I could really support what you do.

Our band goes into clubs.

We play, we sing about Jesus, and I can really relate to your story as far as reaching people that are not knowing who Jesus is and that are lost, that are on drugs, that are overdosing, that are selling their body, whatever that looks like,

stripping.

And I was like very intrigued by this conversation that got started on MySpace.

But at the same time, I was thinking, what is this guy's angle?

Is he trying to get me in bed?

So I told him up front, I had a ring that said true love waits.

And I said, you see this right here?

You're not getting anything from me.

In fact, you're not going to get, yeah, nothing, not a, unless there's something on the table that I'm interested in, which is called marriage.

So I let him know up front before we got very serious with each other.

And he loved that about, I think that it turned him on, actually, to know that a woman of my caliber from my past with my body count, like we all know, a girl that's an escort doesn't have a low body count.

Let's keep that real, facts, right?

So he did not care about that part of my life.

That was over to him.

Most guys care about body counts.

They do.

But if you are a believer in God, and if you claim to be, let's just say, a Christian,

is that even biblical, Sean?

What part of that?

Is it biblical to

allow the past to get in the way of a relationship?

The last time I checked, Jesus forgave us for everything.

And if we're new creatures in Christ, that means that our past is gone.

And it's in the sea of forgetfulness.

I get that.

My husband really believes it.

And he challenges men out there that if you want to say who you really are and you claim that you're a man of God, then you would overlook that part.

Now, he's not saying to marry someone like that, but if that comes to the table and if you do fall in love with someone that happens to be from the sex industry,

you shouldn't let that stop you from having a good relationship with someone.

That should not be the precursor to yeah, I don't think it should be the precursor, but there are studies on women with high body counts and marriage and divorce rates.

Yes.

And they are related.

Right.

And I've been married 15 years.

This year will be 16.

Wow.

And we've probably had, I can count on one hand, five fights.

That's it?

Yeah.

Damn.

That's only one every three years.

Come up right now and ask him.

That's a good fight.

Very, very, I mean, we're talking serious fights where we were like, ah, and then right before we went to bed, we always make up.

So we make sure that we go to bed happy.

That's cool.

But my husband is a wonderful person, and he has been through hell himself.

And he's from Whittier, California, and he's Hispanic and very talented, been playing guitar since he was six.

He used to tag with his cousins.

Tag?

Yeah.

He was going to possibly be a gang member.

Oh.

And his dad got him a guitar and started working at his shop after school and got him out of that life, basically, helped him and guided him.

And my husband loves the guitar and he likes to write and sing.

So it was something for him that was basically a savior thing.

Nice.

Without him even probably realizing it.

Yeah, it's awesome.

But his dad saw what was happening.

And I think his mom did too with his cousins.

That's powerful.

It's cool to see you, you know, have those traumas, but unite together and have a beautiful relationship.

Definitely, definitely.

And how does someone like me, by the way, you know, get into this type of business?

Yeah.

You mentioned the first few years.

You loved it, right?

The money was good.

You were meeting great people.

What was that?

The first year.

This was before my trafficker so the the old name is called pimp now we all know about pimp my ride pimp this oh that's pimp baby that's pimp whatever but to be honest with you a pimp is a person that controls someone and turns them into a slave whether it be labor trafficking sex trafficking organ trafficking it is slavery and I did not have a pimp in the beginning I was against pimp Sean I'm from Minnesota in fact my neighborhood is exactly the area where all that stuff happened with George Floyd.

Wow.

That's my backyard.

That's crazy.

That's where I come from.

The first target in the entire world was on Minnehaha Avenue.

And my house was four or five blocks away from there.

I grew up in that neighborhood.

I actually moved away from Minnesota when I was 12 to Wisconsin, graduated from high school, came back when I was 18, got a job right away, and then got another two jobs.

I could not afford college.

Now I'm so glad I didn't go because I didn't waste my time or my money.

But my parents didn't have money for college.

My dad, it's an unfortunate story, spent all the money on antiques.

He had an antique addiction and never even helped me get my first car.

Like I was basically had a terrible relationship with my own father.

And then I was abused sexually when I was a little girl by a neighbor.

So I never really felt confident about my own sexuality and also the way I looked.

I never thought I was pretty.

But when I started blossoming as a teen, boys started looking at me.

So before going into this job when I was 18, normal, we call it a square job at IDS Financial, I had a precursor of sexual abuse

in high school.

Never realized that I was when I was 14.

I look back now and I realize that guy was 23 and he me.

Jeez.

Like, oops.

And so when I got my other two jobs, I was working three jobs.

Totally like.

blasted out in talk about overtime and talk about burnout.

I could not handle working all those hours.

So my girlfriend and I were clubbing.

Like we would just go out to the clubs.

I had a fake ID, drinking age.

I just turned 21 and I was super hyper and excited to meet a guy.

I wanted to get married, Sean.

This was my ultimate goal.

At 18?

Yeah, I wanted to be in love and I wanted a family and I wanted someone to love me and take care of me, but I also wanted to be my own entrepreneur and I wanted to be a businesswoman.

Back then, that was not heard of, was the 80s.

Right, right.

So we went to this club one night and these guys bought us drinks and we didn't know, but they were undercover pimps.

And my girlfriend starts dating one of them.

The other guy, I wasn't, I didn't think he was very good looking.

So she literally takes off and then comes back a couple weeks later.

And I'm going to show you this ring right here.

You see this ring?

The white one?

Yeah.

The ring she had on was about this big,

but it was round.

And she told me, look what he gave me.

And I'm like, that's fake.

No, she got it tested.

100% real.

The ring was worth about 30 grand.

Damn.

And by the way, because the clarity of the diamond, it was a ring in the 80s.

So the 80s money, if you think about the 80s, if you get handed $1,000, it's $2,000 in today's economy.

Probably more, honestly.

Maybe $2,500 by now because of our inflation, unfortunately.

And I told her, get it tested.

And she did.

And it was like, dude, get that ring and keep that.

I mean, that guy is like, to me, he's not good looking, like, take off.

And I was already on this binge of, I'm going to get revenge on men.

I had this mentality, get the money and dip and dive.

So

you could say I had this.

What I try to tell people is before you get trafficked, before you get pimped,

the devil traffics your heart first.

He breaks your heart with a situation, with trauma.

I was raised in trauma, complex trauma.

And so my heart was already broken.

So when this guy was giving all this attention to my girlfriend and she pulls up with a Mercedes drop top dipped in gold pearl with white leather seats, a 500 SL, I was like, girl, she's like, yeah, this is my new car.

And I'm like, this is no way, no way.

I had never seen a car like that in real life, like touching it and getting inside of it, smelling the leather.

She goes to Hawaii and calls me up and says, girl, I'm on the beach.

I'm in a yellow drop-top Corvette.

I'm on a cell phone.

Well, back then, we knew how big cell phones were, about as big as this bottle.

And she's calling me.

I hear the waves in the background.

I'm like, woo.

But you know what?

Y'all going to have to get the book because I'm not going to tell the whole story here.

The bottom line is this.

I flew to Hawaii and I was

getting ready to quit my three jobs because I was so tired and thinking, I got to find a different job.

And she said, I have the dream job for you.

You're going to make so much money.

Girl, it's $500 minimum an hour.

And I was like, no way.

She's like, you're going to see.

And so the first night that I worked, I got a fake ID.

It said Foul New York on it.

I was 21, right?

and drinking age cripples because I wanted to make sure I could get in the clubs, right?

So I had a different fake ID, but it was my girlfriend's and it wasn't legit.

It was from Sweden because it was something that they used to look at and look at me and look at the, like, this girl's in Swedish.

Right.

Obviously, I don't have an accent.

I can't really.

Joe goes, me de edo.

I make it speak a little Swedish, but

I ended up the first night working.

We met these two Japanese guys.

I got paid 500 bucks and I didn't even have sex.

My clothes off.

That's it.

And I was instantly married to the sex industry.

Okay.

That's $1,000 or $1,200 in today's money.

And for me to just take my clothes off for less than five minutes, like, hi, that's great money.

Like, that's thousands of dollars an hour.

Who would say no to that?

I wasn't scared.

And I was like, wee, you know, I got like two weeks in Hawaii of my vacation time, spent it there, stacked my money, went back.

And these pimps were trying to get at me, by the way, at the clubs.

They were trying to talk to me.

I mean, we're talking pimps with like snakeskin outfits on, purple and green,

crocodile shoes, Rolex watches.

They're wearing sunglasses at night.

There's that famous song by Corey.

I wear my sunglasses at night.

Well, these guys literally did.

And I went back to Minnesota.

I quit all three of my jobs, started working in the escort services there.

Well, you know, Vegas and Minnesota have a huge money difference, right?

Right.

So the men in Minnesota don't have a lot of money, but I would take only the calls that were more high-end.

Unfortunately, twice I almost got killed with a machete and a shotgun.

I quit, and I started working the escort, sorry, the strip club.

And in fact, this table reminds me of the strip club because the tables I would work on were long.

You would dance for each, each patron that would come in.

And this guy came in one night, a couple months into it, and he was really good looking.

He put like about 400 bucks in front of him.

And I went swoop right over to him and started dancing just for him.

And because stripping and escorting are two totally different things, but they're the same at the same time because the money in escorting is way better.

Stripping is like questionable.

And I started getting to know this guy.

He bought me a drink.

He took me out, took me dancing, told me he loved me.

And I'm going to tell you, Sean, I fell in love with this guy fast, hard, and free.

And by the time I was waking up the next day, like within the next couple of weeks, he was living with me.

Wow.

He moved in, like, boom.

If a guy moves in with you, ladies, listen, and says, I want to marry you right away, red flags, red flags.

and buys you jewelry and just love bombs you, hello.

It's a big sign of a cult for one.

But number two, it's a sign of a potential toxic psycho relationship.

A person that will stalk you.

Right.

Someone that wants to control you, manipulate you, and possibly coerce you and traffic you.

So that's what he did.

I moved to Las Vegas

forced, by the way, because I was just going to visit for a couple months and I got the big bright idea.

My boyfriend that I didn't know that was a trafficker or a pimp was doing drug dealing and I was helping him.

Yes, I used to be a drug dealer.

And I didn't like it.

I was like, we're going to get busted.

We're going to get in trouble.

I don't like helping you.

This is non-ethical.

I don't do drugs.

I'm against drugs.

And I said, let's go to Vegas.

My girlfriend's there with her boyfriend and they have a house there.

And her boyfriend had houses all over the country.

It's called circuit pimping.

And we flew to Vegas.

The first night I worked was the beatdown of my life.

I couldn't even see out of my eyes.

Like I came home.

I made a bunch of money.

I went to the Golden Nugget.

I went to the Mirage.

I literally got home.

I had in my purse.

And my girlfriend, she didn't even know what was going on.

She goes, Oh, Fallon made a bunch of money.

And I said, Yeah, I sure did.

It's mine too.

And he was like, Break yourself.

I was like, What?

I'm not breaking anything to you.

Like, I already knew who Two Short was.

Like, he was just up and coming.

And I was listening to rap music back then.

Yeah.

Which, by the way,

there was hardly any Caucasians listening to rap back then.

Okay.

Grandmaster Flash was in my back pocket, but so was Too Short.

Wow.

And in fact, yeah, I could probably rap his entire album.

That's impressive.

I know you're getting into rap.

We'll talk about that later.

I was going to actually talk to you about that, but the main point of this, what I'm telling you, is the fact that I was against pimps.

I thought they were the scum of the earth.

Right.

Like, don't step on me and don't come to me.

Don't come at me.

I'm not going to give you a dime.

This is my money.

I'm in charge of my life.

But nope, that night he took me by the hair and started to slam my head into the cupboards and then pull me out to the back.

And they had a cement porch.

And she had two doberman pinchers, beautiful dogs.

And they had, I mean, you can imagine what the backyard looked like because two big Doberman pinchers.

And you don't clean up the yard.

Duh.

He started rubbing my face into the feces, kicking me.

And I'll just say it because you can always bleep this out.

And this was in the book, and they took it out because it was a Christian publisher.

This is pimping.

What time do you think it is, you punk fake ass?

It's pimpin'.

You're gonna pay me.

You hear me right now?

Because if you don't pay me, you're gonna die six feet under.

That's what's gonna happen to you.

You punk white b,

you cracker.

That's what it was.

So that's, and I'm looking at this guy, and I'm laying there getting beat down.

And I've got blood coming out of my ears, out of my nose, my eyes, my skin's getting cut.

He's punching me repeatedly.

I mean, I'm seeing stars.

I had never gotten punched before that hard.

I mean, ooh.

The cost.

I mean, it was,

I was in shock.

Like, and I literally, Sean, I felt like I was going to die that night.

Wow.

And I knew that there was no going back.

I don't mean to start crying right now, but let me tell you something.

Ladies, if a man puts his hand on you and I saw my daddy do this to my mom and I never thought I would let a man do this to me, but I was repeating my mom's life right before my own eyes.

And he took me to the room and he locked me in my girlfriend's room.

And she would try to call the cops.

But her pimp took her to the back and locked her back in her room.

Oh, my God.

And tied her up.

Wouldn't let her use the phone.

And

he's telling me, you're going to work for me.

And this is what's really sick.

Sick, sick, sick.

I loved him.

Oh, after all that, you still loved him?

I loved him.

But I knew I had to go, Sean.

I started planning my leaving that day

because how long I stayed with him?

Five years.

Five years after that incident you stayed with him?

Whoa.

And he beat me down in between that.

I had girls come into our home, girls that were my age, girls that were under 18, and I helped them escape.

By the way, I'm proud to say that I had a call in my life way back then.

But I was working these escort services in Las Vegas.

I was the top blonde at the time.

I got plastic surgery on my boobs, and that was it.

Wow, like I'm working for this guy, and he's taking every single dollar, and he's telling me he's investing the money.

So, I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna try the lifestyle, I'm gonna see if this pimpo lifestyle works out.

You know, maybe it's true, maybe it is my uh, you know, I'm gonna get married, we're gonna graduate out of this crazy street lifestyle.

I'm gonna be, you know, on top of the hill with a bunch of money, we're gonna have our own business.

I love jewelry, start my own jewelry business.

Nope,

it was abusive, it was coercive, it was

manipulating and brainwashing more than anything.

And I always believed when he told me, I'll never hit you again if you just stay in pocket and you listen to me.

And that's what the pimps do.

They brainwash you and they use this coercion and isolation, keep you away from your family.

They don't let you have your own bank account.

They make sure that you don't have keys to anything.

They have your ID.

You know, not all pimps operate like this.

Some pimps trust their girls, but they try to show that in the beginning just to trick them.

It's basically a whole like cult mentality of love-bombing the girl, and that's what he did to me.

Wow, he loved bombing back in Minnesota.

He had probably multiple girls under him, right?

Absolutely.

In fact, one of the girls was working a square job at one of the restaurants I used to go to when I, before I went to the strip club, I drove through the drive-thru.

She told me, Girl, you used to go into the drive-thru.

She goes, I was 14 and I knew that you were my wife-in-law.

Damn.

And a wife-in-law is someone that pays that's also paying the pimp and you're in the same family, aka folks, aka stable.

I have a glossary of terms I can teach people if they ever want a training.

So just hit me up.

Yeah, I haven't heard of that one.

Wife-in-law.

Oh, yeah.

Wifeies.

We call each other wifeies and sisters.

So after five years, how did you escape?

Was it a specific moment?

I escaped several times.

They kidnapped me back.

Jeez.

And then I went back on my last time on my own.

And then I escaped after three weeks.

My wife-in-law, thank God, bless her heart.

I told her, please, you stay.

And I'm going to leave, but you cannot tell them where I'm going.

I'm stashing money right now, and I trusted her.

You know what's what's great about her is she's doing great right now.

Nice.

She

had a long road to walk herself.

The abuse that she had endured.

Oh my gosh.

I love her.

We're still in touch with each other.

Let me tell you that that would be a nice fairy tale ending, right?

Wouldn't it?

Yeah.

But no.

I met a guy at the Sharks nightclub.

Used to be a really popular nightclub or in Harmon.

It's torn down now, but it was a club where all the pimps went.

And I met a guy that was working at a show in the Las Vegas trip.

And I thought he was so good looking.

I was like, oh my gosh, he's so good looking.

And he's really hot.

And he's like smiling at me.

And I was lonely.

And I, you know, when you're working as an escort, working in the sex industry, it's really hard not to have a relationship because you're so alone because you feel like nobody will love you.

And that's what the pimps tell you.

You will never be loved.

No one's going to ever love you like me.

You're just a hoe.

You're going to always be a slut.

In everyone's eyes, you're nothing.

And you were confirming that by talking about body counts.

It's true.

Men judge by the body count.

So, of course, he's not mentioning body counts back then it wasn't a word, but we were just considered sluts,

whatever.

You know, you're just a whore.

Look at you.

And so I believed him like nobody would ever love me.

But somehow I thought, there's going to be true love out there.

One day I'm going to find my true love.

And I taught this guy how to be a fake pimp.

Because all the pimps, his friends and people that didn't know me from California and other states were after me now because they heard that I had left him.

And so the word in the street is Fallon's free.

Fallon's renegading.

That's what they call it.

She's free.

And so I taught him how to take money at the nightclub when I purposely knew pimps were waiting around the bar.

There's like a bar, and all the pimps are sitting around it.

And I'm sitting on this end.

I call my friend over, come over here.

He's getting off work.

I'm coming off a call.

I tell him, meet me there.

I got a big stack of cash to hand in front of you.

The other pimps are going to think you're my pimp.

So they thought I chose up and they left me alone.

Oh, wow.

And then I proceeded to move in with this man.

He was a square at first, but nope.

Once he found out what I was doing, he got really hip to the money and the whole game.

And he learned it.

And he started living off of me.

And he started abusing me.

And he started strangling.

He liked to asphyxiate.

And then he put bars on the windows of the house.

I couldn't get out.

He would lock me up.

I had cancer, lost all my hair.

I had Hodgkin's lymphoma.

And he used to be like, yeah, Fallon, you punk,

you punk cancer.

You're just a cancer.

Look at you.

Look at yourself in the mirror.

Like, and he would make me feel like I was nothing.

And when I look back at my pictures of myself back then, I was absolutely stunningly drop dead gorgeous still.

Even with cancer.

Yeah.

Wow.

And I don't know why I believed him, but I was so crushed.

So that was 10 years

in the sex industry with two pimps.

Okay.

Yeah.

I finally got away from

the day I got away from him.

My brother showed up with a shotgun.

Did he know this was happening?

Yes.

I told him.

And he was like, uh-uh.

And he came down from Minnesota and he brought his dually

and he got his shotgun and he showed up at the house and he said, with the gun, she's leaving today.

And I got a moving truck and my furniture was all cut up because he used a knife and sliced it up anyway, but I still wanted wanted to try to take it.

You know, when you leave a pimp, you leave with nothing.

So just facts, okay?

And I left that night.

And

I believe that if I wouldn't have left, I probably would have eventually died.

Wow.

Completely.

I mean, he would have probably killed me because he kept asphyxiating me.

So do my other pimp.

There's something about pimps and asphyxiation.

They like to asphyxiate their victims.

But they like to feel dominant.

While they're finging you, yes.

They want to feel dominant, I think.

And so

unfortunately, this person shot himself in the the head.

Wow.

Believe it or not.

He had a 57 Magnum hollow point bullet gun.

While your brother was there picking you up, he shot himself.

Oh, later.

He did this later.

I found this out a couple years ago.

Damn.

He's still alive.

Wait, what?

He's still alive.

Even from a headshot?

Yes.

I don't know where he's at or how it's how his mental health is, but he used to call me.

When I first got married, he would call me.

He'd be like, remember when I used to call you cancer?

Yeah.

I mean, still getting stalked, like, dude, really?

Yeah.

And I honestly thought I was worth nothing back then.

I had a guy that used to call the escort service, and he actually helped me get out of it.

I got my own apartment.

I hid the money and stuff from my second pimp.

And I eventually moved in with him, learned how to run a car automotive business and paint cars, repair cars.

We started doing work with Japan, and I learned how to speak a little bit more Japanese.

And, you know, konichi wa, ohaya, kazai mas,

yoroshiku wina kaishimasu.

So anyway, I'm pretty good at Japanese.

I have a really good accent.

So our business failed and we lost everything almost overnight.

And I was completely devastated.

And you know, Sean, before I left the industry, on the like 10th or 11th year that before I left, I started doing

wow.

So I quit in 1999.

I didn't start doing again until we lost our business.

And that was in 2003, January.

So for eight months, I did

every day.

Almost every single day.

Got to the point where I was smoking it.

you could smoke yes you can rack it up cook it coke it chop it up put it in a pipe and smoke it and i got so addicted to it and i started working on the strip again except this time i was renegading by myself no pimp my pimp was

yeah so all the money you made you just put it towards top and uh sitting at a casino playing blackjack you had a gambling addiction too all that wow and just thinking i gotta get the money back when you leave a pimp you leave with nothing so you try to get the money back and you try to create a reputation of yourself that you actually made it out out.

You made it out alive.

And also, you have a business to show for it.

Like you really did something great with your life.

That's like the ho-talk and the way we expect to get out of the game.

It's called the game.

And if your reputation is that you left alone and you left broke, you're a dumb ho.

This is what they say in the street.

But if you leave an entrepreneur and successful, you made it out the game.

The percentage of them that graduate, I have no idea what that is, but it's very small.

But I do know this.

People that get out of the sex industry that are trafficked, 1% make it out.

Damn, that is so low.

It's like being in the mafia.

mafia.

Yes.

That's exactly what it's like.

And

I want to give people hope out there.

There is hope.

I mean, obviously I'm sitting here in this chair and I'm looking cute and I got my hair done and I'm married now and I run my own nonprofit and I've been doing this work.

This year is my 20th year.

So it's kind of a celebration.

I started going out to the strip.

This is really interesting.

And giving people my business card.

And I knew.

Because when I overdosed that night, August 2nd, 2003, that I had a history with Jesus when I was a little girl.

And I never forgot who he was, but I didn't know who he was except for that moment when I overdosed.

Because at that moment, I was having a heart attack.

I literally begged him to save my life.

I don't want to die like this.

Please, Jesus, help me.

And I literally, that night, it changed everything in my life.

I felt this peace enter me that, oh my gosh, I can't describe it.

No drug can get this peace or give you this

feeling of all love

and acceptance it's like a mother's love and a father's love and a sexual love and then a friend love all rolled into one agape love it's everything

it's it's supernatural basically

and i was like i have to tell the girls about this i got to tell them about jesus i have to tell them they can get out of these crazy relationships and they can get away from their pimps.

All my friends had pimps.

Maybe one didn't out of the hundred I knew.

All of them.

Okay.

so I got my card and I made this little story and I called the organization hookers for Jesus.

I will teach you how to fish for people.

So basically it's

we are fishing for people that are drowning in the dark waters of sex trafficking.

We're actually doing a name change right now.

We're going into the name pink chair.

There's another reason for that, but we are still hookers of Jesus for our outreach.

And here's what the card said.

Would you like me to read it to you?

Please.

Because I'm pretty sure when the girls got it, they were like, what is this girl doing?

So you're just handing these out?

Just like when I I saw a girl that was working.

I'm like, I know she's working, so I'm going to give her my card.

I am a former stripper and prostitute escort from Las Vegas who was human sex trafficked.

AKA pimped for over 11 years.

The sex industry promised things that I was longing for.

Money, sex, fortune, love.

But the longer I chased it, the more depressed and lonely I actually became.

I was in denial of the severe abuse.

I became so desperate for love that I started to do drugs, drink, and eventually attempted.

The day I hit rock bottom, and all that was around me faded into complete darkness and death, and I prayed to God to rescue me from myself, and he did.

I found out that God loved me no matter what I had done to destroy my life.

I am now fully restored from my painful past and want to help women see that they don't have to sell their bodies to be loved.

They can be rescued, redeemed, and fully restored.

Because if he could do it for me, he can do it for anyone.

And yeah, then I would just put the website, hookergee's.net, and then the number 702-883-5155 still our same number.

People reach out to you and you hand it over.

Yes.

Wow.

Sean, yes.

And I would meet them for coffee to eat, help them get maybe baby diapers for their children.

Yeah.

And maybe help them pay the rent, give them grocery assistance, whatever they needed, maybe get them a lawyer for their court case for, you know, obviously solicitation.

And you set up safe houses.

Yes.

Well, I didn't have safe houses in the very beginning.

I started bringing into my own house, which is really dumb.

I don't recommend that to anyone, but I founded Hookers for Jesus, and then I started Destiny House in 2007.

And that's our first house for safe.

It's a safe house for victims of trafficking, and it's a free program.

It's up to two years.

And then we have a second house called Dream House that we just opened last year, actually the year before last.

And it's for people that graduate the first program.

The first program is very 24-7 because they're getting stabilized from their trauma.

So just a lot of healing, self-care, and then going into learning how to take care of yourself, and then school,

and then graduating that, and then getting a job, and maybe becoming an entrepreneur or anything they want to do.

It's in the books.

Like, we have scholarships for them.

They can go to college if they want to, they can get a good career under their belt.

And then, when they move into Dreamhouse, they live by themselves and they're like roommates with each other, and they just kind of try to live their life on their own.

And if they have any hiccups or bumps, we're there for them.

We're case management, we're there to give them a ride, be there, whatever they need.

And it's four years long and it's absolutely free.

And by the way, it's lifetime as well.

Yeah.

We stay in contact with all of our people that we've helped.

And I couldn't even tell you the number of people that I know that's reached out to us and we've helped just with

just safety planning, getting away from their pimps, their traffickers.

So this is still happening, this sex trafficking right now.

Absolutely.

100% in our backyards, yes.

Wow.

Do you think it's as big as it was in the past?

It's bigger.

It's bigger.

Why?

Internet.

Right, more access.

More access, more sites, more people.

Unfortunately, our children have cell phones.

Right.

Our smartphones, right?

And that is a way how traffickers get a hold of kids.

It's disgusting.

That's crazy.

One last question before we wrap up.

Do you believe prostitution should become legal?

It's legal in certain cities and countries.

What do you think about those?

Absolutely not.

And I don't even believe in the Nordic model.

But if that's a lesser of two evils, the Nordic model is different than full D crem.

Full D crem is the pimps become legal, the brothels become legal, and sex for sale becomes legal.

Okay, no charges.

The Nordic model is where you only arrest the Johns, the buyers, the tricks, right?

And the pimps.

But then the people that are selling themselves don't get arrested.

Now, it's proven though that if you legalize prostitution in any city, even Nevada, that we have a higher rate of sex trafficking per capita.

It attracts sex for sale.

It makes makes the numbers go up.

Wow.

Exponentially.

And actually, in Germany, this is happening.

Okay.

And so they called Germany the legal like brothel city.

Yeah.

And it's weird because I have German blood in me and Dutch blood in me.

And I'm French too, but and half Polish, by the way, I'm proud of that.

Got a lot of people.

Half Polish.

Yeah, my mom's family escaped communism.

Wow.

That's crazy.

In 1899.

So, but that's why I'm against communism 100%.

No way.

That's a whole other podcast.

Oh my gosh.

We can do that later.

Yeah.

Because I'm going to talk about that too.

But yeah, I started, you know, helping women and I found my niche.

Like, this is what I want to do.

And also my other niche is educating people on this, helping them see the truth, helping them see the light.

Webcams, perfect opportunity for a pimp.

Yeah, that's like a gateway right there.

Can I say the sites?

We already know what they are.

Yeah, yeah.

OnlyFans is the biggest one.

Perfect opportunity for pimps to pick up their workers.

Right.

Yeah, I've had a bunch of OnlyFans girls on and they say pimps are messaging them daily, threatening to them all the time.

All the time.

And guess what?

They will eventually, if that girl gets sad enough and alone enough, because you do get tired of taking off your clothes, you start aging, it adds up.

The money, the clothing, the jewelry, the lifestyle will catch up with you.

It's too fast.

When you're young, getting that kind of money, not being directed how to spend that and how to invest it,

you'll lose it.

Blow through it overnight.

You already know.

You're a young opprewer.

You know this.

So

that's a niche itself, helping them realize, hey, this is only for a very limited time.

There's guys kind of hitting at your door or even women.

Women are pimps too.

Okay.

Trans are pimps too.

All of them.

Yeah.

The higher percentage is men, unfortunately.

But

I try to tell everyone that is in the sex industry or they got into it, you need to get out as fast as you can because it is a slippery slope of quicksand.

Once you get in, it is so hard to get out.

That money is so good, Sean.

I mean, and it's addicting.

It's fast.

And people, they can just, you know, buy their breasts.

They can buy their nose.

They can buy.

And I have no plastic surgery on my face whatsoever.

Wow.

So I've, you know, I've been tempted to get it.

You know, I'm not against Botox at all.

So

the thing is, people can change their face.

They can keep themselves looking young.

And we all know that's a whole nother podcast.

But here's the reality.

You are aging.

Men.

physically and DNA designed to be attracted to young females that can create babies because that is our survival.

That is part of the way God designed us.

So, what are you going to do when you get old?

Where's your niche now, girl?

You're aging out.

Another girl's going to replace you.

That's another thing with the sex industry, is that you're always going to get replaced by the big and better or little model that's going to come along, unfortunately.

And the younger one, yeah.

Yes.

And that's what's sad is there's a lot of trafficking that happens.

People forget about our agency and what we do.

We're survivor-founded, survivor-led.

So I have other survivors that work with us.

And it's a very good way to reach the people that are in the sex industry because when you don't know and what it's like to be trafficked, what it's like to be pimped, what it's like to be ruled and controlled and manipulated and totally brainwashed, it's really hard to explain it to somebody.

Even if they get trained, they get a lot of people.

That's why you wrote the book.

Right.

And it's Fallen.

This is my old name.

Yeah.

So that's what I used to call myself, Fallen.

Yeah, we got to wrap up.

Anything else you want to promote or close off with?

I know you're going to.

Yeah, I mean, I want people to really learn about this.

So go to our website.

My book's on the website.

I will give you a personal private message and a prophetic one too.

Nice.

And I don't push religion on people, but let me tell you something.

Jesus is amazing.

And I got to tell you, if it wasn't for Jesus, I would not be here right now.

Powerful.

And

I'm telling you, God knows and loves every single person.

that is in the sex industry.

And he's not mad at you.

He never has been.

He loves you right where you're at.

And he will do miracles for you if you just pray to him and surrender to him.

Trust me.

He did it for me.

Come on, somebody.

You know, and I'm married, happy, and, you know, trying to expand what we're doing.

I'd love houses everywhere if we could.

And we also have three mini apartments, and we're trying to get some repaired.

So that's a notice I could give people is two of our apartments got waterlogged through the crazy monsoon rains we had in Vegas and We're losing beds because of that.

So we always are in need of donations.

For some reason, we have a nonprofit.

I get my books audited every year.

I don't like it when people say you can't trust nonprofits.

You can trust us.

Every dollar that we get is accounted for.

And we're always in need of donors.

So, if you guys want to join us, volunteer, hook, you know, call me and go to our website, pinkchair.org or hookasfrages.net.

It goes to the same place.

We'll link it below.

Thanks so much for joining.

Thanks, Sean.

Yeah, thanks for watching, guys.

As always, that was a powerful episode, and I'll see you tomorrow.