The REAL Reason You’re Always Tired – It’s Not What You Think! | Justin Roethlingshoefer DSH #522

When you think about your health holistically, mind or body doesn't know the difference between mental, physical, spiritual, or emotional stress.

When we understand that concept, to truly have health in a holistic standpoint, you have to take all four of those domains into consideration.

It's just like you put a bowl of fruit on the table, you got a beautiful bunch of apples, nectarines, pears,

and then you throw a rotten tomato inside or a rotten banana inside.

It's not 24 hours later that everything else is rotten too.

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We are here with Justin Rothling Chauffeur.

What a name.

I know it's a long one, but you did a good job.

Not bad, right?

I had to literally spell out Rothling and then show and then fur.

On one of my speaking reels, the way that they kind of introduced me, I had them put in like 10 different ways my name, and it just gets butchered over and over and over and over again.

And then I finish with, my name's Justin Rothling Schoffer.

That's so funny.

Yeah, it's funny.

What do you usually speak about?

It's all health, wellness, performance, preventative health.

How do you actually take ownership of that?

Like, what does that look like?

What does that mean?

And that's just been a big passion and a movement that I've been all over and very bullish on for, I would say, probably the last 15, 20 years.

Nice.

Would you say health, a big part of it, is mindset?

I mean, mindset's a part of it.

When you think about your health holistically,

mind or body doesn't know the difference between mental, physical, spiritual, or emotional stress.

And

when we understand that concept, to truly have health in a holistic standpoint, you have to take all four of those domains into consideration.

Because

if you have three of the four, it's just like you put a bowl of fruit on the table.

You got a beautiful bunch of apples, nectarines, pears, and then you throw a rotten tomato inside or a rotten banana inside.

It's not 24 hours later that everything else is rotten too.

And so it's the same thing with our health.

We have to look at every aspect to make sure that those things can all run sequentially.

Wow.

You just named four different stresses.

So when I think of stress, I think of just physical.

But you mentioned emotional, spiritual, and another one.

Yeah.

So mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual.

Right.

And so when it's, it's a great thought here because when you think about going for a run, when you think about getting a workout in, when you think about

not getting the sleep that you need, these are like the physical stressors that people would typically consider stressful.

But we're sitting here filming a podcast right now.

You're thinking about questions.

We're meeting for the first time.

There's mental and emotional stress there that your body has to deal with.

You just move studios.

And so knowing, hey, I'm building up my own studio, there's spiritual and emotional stressors here that your body's also having to combat with.

And so every single thing in our environment, every single thing in our ecosystem, everything we experience falls into a mental, emotional, physical, or spiritual stress that our body has to adapt to in order to make sure that we can stay and function at a high level.

Right.

And I'm assuming you had some battles with stress, anxiety in the past?

So, I mean, to be honest with you, it was,

I wouldn't say stress and anxiety, but for me, my journey kind of came through from Canada at 11, down to the States on a hockey scholarship at 18.

Went and got my two undergraduate degrees, went and got my master's degree, went and got my,

did some doctoral research in heart rate variability and sleep, and then stepped into the NHL and the NCAA as a health and performance director.

And

fast forward 10 years, so living that lifestyle, fast-paced, high-pressure situations,

managing the health, wellness, performance of the best athletes in the world.

You're now all of a sudden 10 years later, and I'm waking up with brain fog.

I'm waking up with energy lulls.

I'm not sleeping well.

And this has never been the case for me.

And

went to go to all the docs, all the different specialists that you should go see, your functional medicine specialist, the traditional naturopaths.

Everybody threw what they could at me.

They threw supplements.

They threw

protocols.

They told me that they didn't didn't know what was wrong because I was healthy, but I was like, there's nothing right within my body right now.

I know something's wrong.

And ultimately, anything that's being thrown at it isn't actually helping.

Nothing's changing.

It was at that point that I went and got a colonoscopy and endoscopy, found

four polyps the size of my thumb, all precancerous in my colon, and an ulcer the size of a quarter in my stomach, also precancerous.

Dang.

And the surgeon that did it ended up saying, hey, man, like, if you hadn't come in, if we hadn't done this, if you hadn't been proactive enough to like keep pursuing, you wouldn't have seen your 35th birthday.

Whoa.

And that was like the big eye-opener for me, realizing that the way that I was...

treating these players in the NHL and creating customized solutions, end-of-one solutions,

allowing data to drive the decisions in which we were starting to apply for them was not just an athlete issue, but it was a human issue.

And we needed to start understanding our bodies utilizing data, utilizing information that gave us an insight as to how our body was functioning, not trying to fit into a box of what the world tells us of this diet or this exercise plan or this sleep routine or this stress management process is the best because it's all individualized because we all have different stressors, we all have different experiences, we all have different ways in which we're dealing with them and we all have different deficiencies.

And once we identify what those are, that's what can propel our path.

Right.

That's a crazy story.

Do you think that burnout kind of led to stress, which then manifested into disease?

Totally.

I say the path is chronic stressors lead to chronic deficiencies, chronic deficiencies at the cellular level, which lead to chronic symptoms, chronic symptoms that we consider normal, brain fog, headaches, weight gain that's unexplained, inability to sleep, energy loss.

And the longer we stay in those symptoms, the faster the window closes that throws us into that chronic illness bucket.

Yeah, because it's very easy to get in the habit of saying that's normal when you have constipation, when you have headaches, stuff like that, but it's not, right?

Totally.

It's like the dashboard of our car for our body, where the symptoms are the yellow flashing lights, check oil, check engine, change wind shield wiper fluid.

Like that's what it is for our car, but we just ignore it.

And a lot of people get upset or dog on the medical system.

And I actually say the medical system does exactly what it was designed to do, fix things that were broken and make money.

And these two things, it does really well.

But we as humans want it to be proactive, want it to prevent illness, want it to maintain our health.

But that's not what it was designed to do.

Maintain our health and be proactive is our job.

But the thing about us is that we haven't taken the time, nor have we been educated on what to actually look at.

And so what happens is we fall into four buckets.

We either start guessing what to do.

Oh, I think this is what I need to do.

Number two, we start copying what others are doing.

Number three, we start just complying what some influencer told us or what some practitioner told us and put us into a blanket, generalized solution.

But what we should actually be doing is customizing, customizing the direction we need to go so that we can look at data, look at information, and truly step into this.

Because our mission as a company is to redeem the health of the world through educating, empowering, and equipping people to take ownership of their health.

And by 2030, our goal is to take the leading cause of death in the United States, which is chronic illness,

and it's at 71%.

Wow.

71%.

71% of deaths in the United States are chronic illness.

94%,

which are preventable through lifestyle, habit, and behavior change.

And so our goal is by 2030 to drop that number below 50%.

And so continuing to attack this with a very personalized, with a very unique, customized approach has really been

what we've been so bullish on.

That's great.

Yeah, data is so important because I think people, when they're young, they assume they're healthy, right?

So I was 25 when I took my first blood test and I thought it'd be amazing.

And the results, I had a lot of deficiencies at 25 years old.

And I feel like that's common.

It's, I mean, it's, it's very common.

And I'll even take that a step forward is the blood testing you probably got done was the blood testing that you would typically get done through your medical provider or some of these other companies that are testing blood serum,

which is not looking at what's actually in the cell.

Wow.

And so when we look at what's in the serum, you can actually have high levels of vitamin D, high levels of vitamin A, high levels of iron.

But when you look in the cell of what's actually available for the cell to use, you can be deficient in those.

I've seen thousands of people's

cellular testing by now.

And what we end up seeing is people who have been deemed healthy.

There's nothing broken yet,

have maybe a slight deficiency here, some things a little bit elevated, but there's nothing really that jumps out.

And you all of a sudden do your cellular testing.

You look at 85 different vitamins, minerals, and amino acids.

And there's 10, 12, 14 different deficiencies.

Wow.

So your body is starving for vitamins, starting for nutrients, starving for the building blocks, the foundational building blocks of what make your body go.

It's starving.

And it's not going to ultimately just keel over and die.

It's going to continue to adapt.

It's going to steal something from one area of the body that makes you deficient in it more because it's relying more on it.

Or there's going to be some type of symptom that all of a sudden pops up like, man, I've got brain fog that I've never had before.

Or I'm having memory issues like I've never had before.

Or I'm having some like level of anxiety that I've never had before.

I'm not able to sleep.

And I've always been a great sleeper.

These things start to come up not because we're getting older, not because you're...

Building a great business, not because you're leading all these people, not because you've just become a mom or a dad, not because you're all of a sudden entering into a different season of life.

It's because you've got certain deficiencies that your body is saying, hey, I need you to figure this out.

But we haven't realized what that is yet.

Yeah, it's very easy to say that excuse of I'm getting older.

You hear that every day, probably.

All the time.

All the time.

And

it's the typical answer that you're going to get from a doc or a medical provider when they either, A, don't know what to do because they've only been trained in one thing, to look at what's broken and fix it.

But also two, it's an easy excuse because, oh, as we age, things slowly deteriorate.

And yes, that is true.

But the exponential speed at which that happens doesn't have to be in

which we're currently experiencing.

Right.

You mentioned nutrients earlier.

There's a lot of studies on the soil now and how it's actually being deprived of nutrients.

And our food sources are all lower than they were in years past.

Are you seeing these studies?

100%.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

the thing when you talk about

our food ecosystem, our food ecosystem has become depleted over the past, let's call it 25, 30 years.

And so the quality of our food, although

even if you go to, I mean, at one point, organic food was simply just called food.

But even though we're starting to see that the nutrients in the soil are not as great, even though we're starting to see the nutrient density of certain foods are not as great, what we're also starting to see is that our body's ability to break down food into its raw compounds, vitamins, minerals, and amino acids, and the ability to to absorb those into the cell and use them is also becoming diminished.

And that's where we're starting to notice a lot of these deficiencies.

So you can now imagine, like, Sean, if you like, think about it for a second.

If chronic stress creates chronic deficiencies

and chronic deficiencies create chronic symptoms, and now we stack on top that our food sources that are supposed to be solving for or supporting nutrient deficiencies are not there.

And then stack on top that ultimately the supplementation that we're supposed to be taking

that should be actually curated to us and personalized for us is now just general.

We're not doing anything to combat the cellular deficiencies part, which is why we're starting to see such a heavy increase in symptoms that our country and our world and our people are starting to experience.

And we're telling them that it's normal to experience these.

That's why we're seeing this heavy decay of our health holistically and why we're starting to see this rise of chronic illness.

Like, Sean, since 2014, we peaked in 2014 as the average life, for the average lifespan of a human being, it was like 79.4.

It was the peak of the average lifespan.

And since then, we've sequentially dropped to where today the average lifespan of a male is 73.2.

Damn, that's low.

Incredibly low.

And for a female, 77.4.

Wow.

So if you think about this,

it wasn't that caused the downward trend.

It was happening before, all the way like a decade ago.

We started to see this downward trend and chronic illness has just taken over.

It's this silent

epidemic that we're really not talking about or trying to find a solution.

And

it's not going to be a blanket approach.

It's not going to be just

let's just exercise more.

It's not going to be let's just go on paleo or keto or Mediterranean or change our stress mechanisms.

It is going to come down to a personalized end of one approach.

It's when we change the conversation for all the health experts out there, for all the influencers out there to stop arguing about whether keto is better or whether pay-do-ho is better or whether eating all vegetables or eating all meat is better.

But getting to the concept of what Sean needs versus what Justin needs is unique and different.

And when we understand that and allow data to drive direction, it's not based off emotion.

It's not based off opinions, it's not based off any of those things other than data to help drive us where we're going to go, that's when we're going to start to see changes.

Yeah, numbers don't lie, right?

People do.

Because think about it.

For every,

and I've had people probably over the last month, each one of these scenarios has happened 20 or 30 times where somebody goes, hey.

My chiropractor just recommended me to get this supplement.

Well, all of a sudden I look on their website and they're an affiliate of this supplement.

Well, lo and behold, they're getting paid on the back end.

For sure.

There's a ulterior motive as to why I'm going to put that into

your regimen.

Well, you've all of a sudden got this

doc that's wanting to prescribe you a certain medication.

Well, they're getting paid on the back end of it.

There's always an ulterior motive as to why somebody is pushing a certain agenda unless they've done cellular testing and understand your deficiencies, unless they've they've taken a deep look into how your body's handling and adaptating or adapting to stress through biometric data things like sleep quality things like heart rate variability things like vo2 max to understand what your body needs and then you curate the solution but why won't we do that because it takes more time it takes more effort it takes more systemization and it takes more margin out of what it is that you're doing.

Right.

It all comes down to money at the end of the day, right?

Money, time, and effort.

Yeah.

And speaking of money, there's this belief that in order to be healthy these days, you need to make solid money.

Are you a believer in that?

Again, I love the question because on our mission of where we're trying to go in redeeming the health of the world, we realize that there's this massive gap between the wealthy and the haves and the people who are struggling and what you would call the have-nots.

And insurance and the traditional medical system, which we talked about, is not set up to be proactive or preventable in your health.

And so what we were doing is we realized, hey, if we only are providing solutions that require a large out-of-pocket service, this is going to be very difficult.

And so, Sean, we're really excited the fact that we have become the only health coaching.

testing and custom supplementation company in the world that accepts HSA and FSA dollars to help pay for your proactive measures.

Wow.

And so that's like, it is a huge breakthrough.

And we're reaching people that traditionally would not have access to this while also

still being able to serve those that do have the disposable income, that are very educated and proactive and trying to find individualized solutions.

And so

we're trying to

shorten that gap that exists in America as well.

That's big time, man.

It's awesome.

There's this also this movement about testosterone right now and how it's dropping what are you seeing there with all these recent studies so

here's here's the unique part and this is this again goes back to um

i think something i'm very

contrarian on is the use of trt the use of hormone therapy in in men it's turned into a billion dollar business wow Are you interested in coming on the digital social hour podcast as a guest?

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And if you actually look at it, there's probably about 85% of people using testosterone or hormone replacement therapy right now that actually don't need it.

Because why do we go down this road, right?

Testosterone drops because stress is high.

Testosterone drops because we don't eat well.

Testosterone drops because we have cellular deficiencies.

Testosterone drops because we don't sleep well.

Testosterone drops because we're not active or

lifting weights or exercising.

When you start to look at the lifestyle habits and behaviors that are affecting this, what happens?

You go to the doctor

and they say, hey, let's run a blood panel.

Again, the serum panel.

They see testosterone is low.

They're like, oh, Sean, we can fix that

because something's broken.

But we're not going to be preventable and actually ask you questions about how you're eating, how you're sleeping, how you're

managing stress, what your HRV is, what your cellular deficiencies are.

We're not going to ask you any of this.

We're just going to fix it with testosterone or hormone replacement therapy.

And so what we're doing is we're actually giving you an end of the road product.

We're giving you a tip of the pyramid solution.

Because when I give you a hormone in your body, there's actually a whole bunch of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, cofactors, and enzymatic compounds that interact together to create testosterone as an end result product.

So what do you think if all of a sudden I start giving you testosterone as an end result product, your body goes, oh, I no longer have to make any of these anymore.

I no longer have to be as efficient with any of these anymore.

I no longer have to run any of these other compound integrations anymore.

And that's why we have to ultimately start staying on testosterone for a longer period of time.

And it starts to create this cycle, this engine of, okay, let's come back to testosterone as the solution, but we haven't really looked after the deficiencies that are still there.

We haven't made sure your body's adapting to stress.

We haven't made sure that you're sleeping better.

We haven't made sure that we're doing the things that will actually create longevity for you.

All we've done is given you a blanket, run of the mill, general solution.

Yeah, that's a hot one right now.

And Ozempic is a hot one right now.

And I mean,

we can talk.

We can do shows just on TRT and just on Ozempic themselves.

But again, it comes back to the same concept is if you look at Ozempic and a lot of the people that are on it, yes, they're seeing drastic weight loss, but they're actually not any healthier internally because no deficiencies have been reversed.

Cholesterol and

blood glucose hasn't been regulated.

They're not sleeping any better.

They haven't changed any of these lifestyle factors.

So all that's happened is they've ultimately starved their body.

And if you look at a lot of people, they're calling it now Ozempic face, where you have, oops, where you actually have

this sinking, the sunken cheeks and the sunken eyes, and your body is actually less holistically healthy than you were prior.

And if we were just to help people understand how to take ownership of their health, if we were just able to help people understand where their deficiencies were, we could at least start by getting you to be more energetic, more mentally clear, more focused, sleeping better, feeling better.

But it starts with knowing your data.

It starts with knowing your information.

It starts with having a care enough to understand a little bit more about this thing that God's given you and be able to steward it in a way that, quite frankly, allows you to have a greater capacity, allows you to be more fulfilled, allows you to operate at a higher standard.

But it requires us knowing and being educated on that side.

Where could people take that blood test you were talking about?

Yeah, I mean, we're one of the few people that do it.

I want to take one.

Yeah, ownittesting.com is where you can find it.

Is it in Vegas or do you have to go?

no so again we're we're a hundred percent completely virtual so we'll send you um we'll send you the cellular uh test kit we'll send a mobile phlebotomist right to your home to your office to your boat to your plane literally wherever uh we'll get the blood draw done um and once the blood draw is done they'll spin it a certain way and so we get the actually the white blood cells um in the leukocytes in which we can actually start to see what amino acids, what vitamins, what minerals are present.

And then once we identify identify where your deficiencies are, then we actually custom formulate and custom compound a single supplement for you

based upon these deficiencies so that we can start to reverse them while at the same time custom curating your nutritional programming based upon what we see your deficiencies are as well.

So it's no longer our opinion as to what diet's best.

It's no longer our opinion as what supplement's best.

It's literally built for you from a single supplement as well as your

nutrition plan.

And then we bring you back every three to six months.

We redo that cellular panel, identify what changed in your life, identify what impacts it made, identify where we still have certain deficiencies.

And then we reformulate and we adjust the nutrition protocols.

And this is literally that N of one solution.

We don't have templates.

We don't have PDFs that are just algorithmically created and sending to you.

We don't have a distribution center sending out shoeboxes of five or six supplements supplements to you.

It's, hey, we're going to custom formulate.

We're going to custom build based off of Sean's deficiencies in this season of life, based off what his stressors are.

Because as certain stressors leave, as certain stressors come, as you travel, as you do certain things, as you get to a certain age, as you engage maybe in you want to run a marathon, you want to start lifting more, there's going to be different deficiencies that are created because of the stressors that you're putting on it in a different way.

And so when we start to understand those, that's when we can truly custom formulate

in a unique factor.

I love that all in one pill because Brian Johnson and Dave Asprey, they take 150 pills a day.

I mean,

and here's the funny thing.

Here's why I love what Brian talks about.

Brian is obviously way far on one side of the spectrum, right?

But what Brian does is he uses data to drive his direction.

And the downside of what Blueprint has done on

that side is that everybody's trying to get on the Brian Johnson protocol.

I tried.

I was taking 40 pills at one point.

But also, Sean, your body isn't deficient and isn't needing what Brian's body's needing.

No, my body was in pain taking those.

And so, and so here's the, like, that's the wild thing is Brian has literally created Brian's personalized solution, his N of one solution that's working for him.

But it won't work for me.

It won't work for you.

So, what we have to do is we don't have to go to that extreme, but let's understand our deficiencies.

Let's get really clear on what they are.

Let's create a custom formulated supplement for you.

So, it's A, sustainable, B, easy to travel with, B, we can be consistent with, or C, we can be consistent with it.

And then D, we can continue to retest so it can continue to drive our direction.

Right.

And when we have this end of one solution, you can do what Brian has done for himself, but now we can ultimately do it for Sean.

And Sean can do it in a way that now empowers you to ultimately experience life at a whole different level and be so proactive.

the exact same goal as what Brian Johnson is creating.

And so that's what I, that's what we call true ownership of your health.

Taking ownership, understanding, pulling your head out of the sand, and not being okay with just being there, not being okay just guessing with what to do, not being okay just copying what somebody else is doing, not being okay just complying with some random influencer or somebody who doesn't know you, but truly customizing your journey, customizing your experience so that you can, again, feel what it actually feels like.

to be healthy.

I love that.

So you mentioned HRV a few times now.

I've had on a lot of health experts on the show.

They've They've never mentioned that.

So why do you place so much importance on HRV?

Man, HRV is the most universal, holistic metric of how your body is adapting to stress and strain.

And it's helping us understand how we are ultimately

operating when it comes to our body.

So heart rate variability, HRV is what the

three-letter acronym, I guess you could say.

And as I was doing all my postgraduate research, I was kept trying to explain HRV to people.

And

I would go down these deep rabbit holes, and people would be like glazed over, and they'd be like, I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.

So, the best definition that I've been able to come up with is: it is the universal language to how your body is communicating to you how it's adapting to stress and strain based upon the habits and behaviors that you're engaging in consistently.

So, think about this for a second: mental, physical, spiritual, emotional stress, your body doesn't know the difference.

Real or perceived, your body doesn't know the difference.

Positive or negative, your body doesn't know the difference.

Past, present, or future, your body doesn't know the difference.

All of these stressors, your body has the exact same reaction.

I need to keep Sean alive.

And so I'm going to release epinephrine, norepinephrine, adrenaline, and cortisol.

Because I need to make sure that...

Sean can be alive.

And so if we actually look at like the core compound of what HRV is, is it's measuring the time differences between successive beats in milliseconds.

And so when Sean is not adapting well to stress and strain, maybe he was late getting here today.

He didn't sleep very well last night.

He's been stressed about setting up this new studio.

He's got five podcasts to do today.

He's been really busy preparing for them.

He got a workout in this morning.

He hasn't really eaten anything today.

Maybe he's had a couple swigs of water, but he's a little bit dehydrated.

His body's like, oh my gosh, I'm overwhelmed with stressors.

I need to make sure that Sean stays alive.

I'm going to start to regulate these beats out a little bit more.

So maybe it's 790 milliseconds, 787 milliseconds, 745 milliseconds.

And if we look at the difference between those time beats, the difference is very small, maybe eight second difference, eight millisecond difference, nine millisecond difference.

And so we see a very low HRV, very low HRV number.

Conversely, myself, I'm adapting really well to stress and strain.

I got up this morning.

I went and got my workout in.

I went and sat in the sauna.

I got a little hot tub.

I came back.

I grabbed a little breakfast.

I went and got some work done.

I did some breath work exercises.

I've been traveling with my buddy back and forth between some different

podcasts.

And all of a sudden, my body's like, hey, man, I'm good.

So 800 milliseconds, 945 milliseconds, 642 milliseconds.

And so the time difference between them becomes like 150, 200.

And so it creates a higher HRV.

Interesting.

And so if you're looking at what HRV is,

the higher your HRV number,

the greater you're adapting to stress and strain based upon the habits and behaviors that you're engaging in consistently.

If your HRV number is lower, it means your body is not adapting as well to stress and strain.

And thus it's an alert or a warning sign of, hey, I need you to start changing some of the habits and behaviors in your life.

I need you to give me a little bit more rest.

I need you to give me a little bit more recovery because there's two things, right?

There's stress and overreaching.

And then there's this recovery bucket.

And there needs to be a rhythm between these two in order to operate at a high level, in order to be in what I call the ownership window, where we feel like we've got this great energy.

We've got this great mental clarity.

We're adapting really well.

And it doesn't take very much for us to actually get out of rhythm and start over stressing, overreaching, and doing this consistently and living here and not spending enough time in some of these regeneration

behaviors that takes us into that burnout state, that takes us further down that road of chronic stress to chronic deficiencies, to chronic symptoms that ultimately lead us into that chronic illness.

Wow.

I'm really excited to test mine out.

I think mine's decently high but we'll see there there's been periods of my life where it was definitely really low though and and that's the cool part about it is um a lot of people think they look at hrv in the in differences in the day it's not really going to do much for you because you have to look at it over the course of a week and over the course of a month and you start to understand your trend are you trending upwards Meaning, are you trending with greater capacity?

Are you body adapting really well to what this season of life is providing?

Or are you trending downwards?

Is that, hey, I'm not adapting well to stress and strain.

I'm not actually opening up

my habits and behaviors that are helping me.

And again, this is why we can sit here and we can start to say, hey, Sean, you could do, you should do more breath work.

You should do more meditation.

You should get more massages.

You should train a little bit differently.

You should eat differently.

Well, let's actually let the data tell us what we're doing.

And as we start to do breath work in the morning, do we see an increase in HRV or do we see a drop?

Do we do more red light?

Do we do more cryotherapy?

Do we do more sauna and cold immersion?

Do we do a lot of these biohacks that people are saying that are the best?

But are we personally seeing an increase in HRV, an increase in capacity?

Is the data telling us what we're doing is working?

Or is it not?

And are we just overthinking this for you?

And instead, just getting back to a better diet.

a better exercise routine, a better sleep cycle at night, and eliminating cellular deficiencies is going to have a bigger impact on us because we actually have data to drive our direction.

Absolutely.

So people watching this that want to test their HRV, what do they need?

Yeah, so it's any wearable device.

And here's the thing I will say, and I talk a lot about this often, is every wearable device will give you an algorithm.

Throw those out the window.

You're going to see recovery scores, regeneration scores,

strain scores, sleep scores.

Throw them out the window because each wearable device company has had to create proprietary information in order to make it something that gives them value.

It's actually not hoping to empower and educate the end user.

So if we can understand HRV, so in whether you're going with whoop, whether you're going with Aura, whether you're going with Fitbit, whether you're going with Garmin, whether you're going with Polar, whether you're going with whatever device you're using, look for the raw HRV score and look at your trend over the course of a week or over the course of a month.

And that's where you can start to say, hey, you know what?

If I actually look at where my score started to dip, you probably had

a poor night's sleep that night, or you probably went out drinking that night, or you probably had some big emotional event in your day that was more taxing and tolling on you.

That ultimately, you didn't have an action or behavior that counteracted it.

And that's, I think, something that really starts to drive the way, it drives the way that I live because it has helped me create frameworks and protocols that are customized to me.

I know that when I travel, I have to, have to stay on the same schedule that I have out east and stay on the Eastern time zone if I'm not in a city for greater than 48 hours.

And so this morning was up at 3.30.

Again, people are like, oh my gosh, but

I went to bed at seven last night.

I just stayed on the Eastern time zone and got everything done because, again, it's going to allow me to be most mentally clear.

It's going to allow me to be most energetic while I go on my podcast tour down here in Vegas.

And that is, that's what's important.

People want to perform well, but yet they're not willing to do the process of what it takes in order to get there.

And a lot of it comes back to ownership.

How can we understand what our body needs?

How can we understand what our body requires?

How can we understand what it's asking for so that we can literally just step in and read the handbook and,

hey, we know what we're deficient in?

Let's build a custom supplement for you so that we can start to reverse that.

Let's build a personalized nutrition playbook so that we can now start to be a little bit more focused on certain things.

Let's understand HRV so we know, hey, am I moving in the right direction?

Are the right habits that I'm engaging in actually giving me more capacity or are they not?

Justin, I love that, man.

It's been such fun episode.

Anything you want to promote or close off with?

I mean, for people that want to get started, like I would give you

two real directions here.

Number one is my new book dropping in April, The Power of Ownership.

It talks all about this.

So you can literally go through this.

You've got a toolbox so that you can now actually start pulling and make it personalized to you so that you can pick that up at thepowerofownershipbook.com.

You can go and get your testing done at ownitesting.com and start your journey and really be able to get into this new way of living.

Understand what it feels like to actually feel well, understand what it's like to take ownership of your health so that you feel convicted, you feel confident, you feel like you've got clarity on where you're supposed to go and ultimately realize realize life in a different way.

Love it.

I'm going to try it out, guys.

Stay tuned on my Instagram.

I'll post it before and after after results.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Appreciate you.

Yeah.

Thanks for watching, guys.

See you next time.