The Shocking Truth About Casino Bans: Insider Reveals All! I Joey Merlino & Lil Snuff DSH #504

They told him, well, let you out right now.

Just

tell them, Joe, we really know.

The guy didn't know me.

Didn't even know?

I see him in jail.

I met him for 10 minutes.

Oh, and he told on you?

No.

He wouldn't.

If he would have, he could have lied like everybody else does.

Yeah.

And the guy said, I'm not doing that.

I don't know the guy.

Holy crazy.

That is crazy.

He could have walked right out the door.

He did 20 years.

Yeah, I don't know if I do that for someone I don't know.

It's a wild situation.

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All right, guys, got some fellow podcasters here.

We got Joey and Lil Snuff.

Thanks for coming on, guys.

Absolutely.

Thanks for having us.

You guys are in Boca now, right?

Yeah, we're in Boca and Philly.

Okay.

But we're in Vegas now with you.

Yeah.

A lot of traveling.

Which hotel are you at where you're not banned?

The wind.

Yeah, you're not banned from there yet?

Thank God.

Probably after the show, we'll do it.

Why do they ban you?

Just win for money?

Vegas really, no.

Vegas really don't ban me.

It's f ⁇ ing Atlantic City, Florida, Philly.

They ban me.

Damn.

I don't know why.

If I owned the casino, I would have me and all my friends in.

They could do whatever they want.

And at the end of the year, I give them 20% of the money back.

They lost.

Yeah.

We lose.

Yeah, there's not many people that win long time.

No, it's impossible.

Yeah.

And I like how honest you guys are about sports betting, too.

Yeah.

It's very difficult to win.

We always say it.

It's difficult.

You know, that's just what it is.

It's hard.

Yeah, we were talking earlier.

You said there's really no edge right i only edge that i ever see is like when you have a better line yeah well that's what our guy yeah i mean that's they know what they're doing they bet all on the dogs but

they're gonna get the money if you follow them but if you bet an underdog you only got to win 44 of the time if you bet a favor you got to win 55 of the time maybe more than that so that's why you bet the underdog that's really your edge but it's it's hard but like we gotta have the right line example there was this one guy on tick tock he bet the uh underdog in all the march madness games did you see that yeah and and he won.

Yeah, he made money.

Yeah.

The first round, I think.

First two rounds.

I think he bet $100 on every underdog money line.

He won $14,000.

Somewhere in that range, he did.

Yeah.

Pretty crazy.

But the baseball, you got to bet on the dog.

Yeah, you have to.

What's the name bet they said last night?

Portnell?

Portnell.

UConn.

Oh, yeah.

He bet on UConn.

$2.6 million last night.

He won.

God bless him.

He fires in.

He does.

They looked unbeatable this March Madness.

They're good.

They're very good.

They covered 11 in a row versus last year.

Two, the only back-to-back they went.

First time in like 20 years.

Damn.

Yeah.

Going back to back these days is impossible.

It's hard.

It's very hard.

I can't remember any other than this one.

No, it's very, very hard.

Well, the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

If they go through a three-peat this year, that would be insane.

You think they'll do it?

They'd meet that team.

I mean, they got a shot.

They really do have a shot.

They get every call.

It's amazing.

Yeah, some people think the NFL is kind of rigged, actually.

I think it is.

You think so?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a script.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Steve Stevens said it was.

I'm telling you, it's the things we see is crazy.

I don't throw a flag, then they get in the huddle.

Now, you threw a flag, you see the penalty.

Then they get in the huddle and they pick.

There was no flag on the play.

Yeah.

It's like, it's weird how certain things are.

Yeah.

There's a game.

I bet I lost it.

Minnesota and Kansas City.

There were three flags on the play.

Minnesota's going for the win.

He throws the ball in the corner of the end zone.

The quarterback got fucking killed.

Yeah, his head got taken off.

I mean, they almost killed him.

It was rough and the passer.

They didn't throw that.

Pass interference in the end zone.

Yeah.

They threw that.

They threw the pass interference.

And then the guy they threw the pass interference on went nuts and took his helmet off.

So once you take your helmet off on the playing field, it's automatic 15-yard penalty.

Oh, wow.

Automatic.

I didn't know that.

Yeah.

What do you think the ref tells them?

Put your helmet back on.

That fuck, put your helmet back on.

Then they got in a huddle.

They said there's no foul on the play there.

No foul.

Three penalties.

Damn.

That's f ⁇ ed.

See, that's what money says.

You know what I mean?

It's impossible.

I could see it.

The money in sports betting is so much that it's like.

There's billions now.

Yeah.

It's more than the NFL makes.

Yeah, there's all these prop bets.

There were years ago when you bet.

You bet the game and the total.

You know, when I was younger, you bet the over and under.

We didn't have no internet.

We didn't even know what the f ⁇ ing weather was till the game came on TV.

Put a f ⁇ ing game.

Wow, it's no in here.

What the f ⁇ ?

Now, my generation can bet anything.

Now you got f ⁇ ing prop bets, first quarter, second quarter, first half.

No, it's not.

Gatorade color.

Yeah, Gatorade color.

How long a song is, National Lambs.

I saw that one.

That one's crazy.

Yeah.

You can bet if a guy's going to streak during the Super Bowl, how about that?

Oh, yeah.

The guy in Vegas, he hit that.

Yeah, he hit it.

He ran on the field.

He ran on the field.

He bet on his own streak.

He's been on his own streak.

That's insane.

You should have done it at the soccer game.

I should have did that.

Yeah.

Nice.

Would you guys ever consider it streaking for the right amount of money?

For the right amount of money, I'll streak right now.

You seriously?

Yeah, absolutely.

How much?

I run right on the field.

100,000.

I would say, yeah, 100,000 I run right on the field, guaranteed.

Damn.

Yeah, I would do that.

Try to get banned, though.

I'll be banned anyway, so what's the difference?

It's going to happen one way or another.

I love that.

How did you guys meet?

Because that's the most Googled question about your name when you search Lil Snuff.

So I would say I was a baby, of course, but he grew up with my father and my grandfather knew his father.

Yeah, I know his whole family.

Okay.

He's younger than me.

He's 30 years younger than me.

Yeah, I know his grandfather's father.

Our family's, you know, South Philly, tight-knit.

Nice.

Everybody knows everybody.

So he's like your mentor almost?

Yeah, I mean, I knew him my whole life.

He was a kid.

He was a rotten f ⁇ dude.

He was out balls.

But I always like to break balls and, you know, f ⁇ around, but I always wanted to be near the action of like just seeing cards or, you know, hanging around in the hangouts and things like that.

So I always knew him and then when the podcast came around it just kind of it just worked that's cool whose idea was it oh we got to basically approach by it right oh yeah well i was i wanted to do one you know for the people in jail like to be the voice yeah and then i got to get a sidekick you know

and i picked him nice so the people in jail you're you're saying they don't get their voice heard well they're voiceless you know what i mean there's listen like i've been saying there's a million people in jail they're all not innocent but there's a lot of innocent people in jail.

Really?

Because everyone says they're innocent.

Yeah, everybody says they're innocent.

But there's guys that are innocent.

My friend Joe Marone, he's a lawyer.

He got four guys out in the last year.

One guy, 47 years straight, was innocent.

Damn.

Pitcher being in jail, 47 years.

Scary crime.

McHill, 47 years straight, was on death row and everything.

Innocent.

They let him out.

It was like Ford.

137 years, 140 years, 130 years.

We got Marty Tesetta.

Yeah, 30 years.

33.

33 years.

33 years.

Damn.

He's going to get out, though.

They should let him out.

There's a lot of stuff in that case.

It's sickening.

It's pretty crazy.

That's sad.

Yeah, if you piss off the wrong person, right?

Look what's happening to Tate right now.

Who's that?

Andrew Tate.

Oh, yeah.

Where the f ⁇ did they got him somewhere, right?

He's got re-arrested again, right?

Yeah.

Correct.

Yeah.

He's pissed off the wrong person.

He's done, man.

He's done.

Where did he get arrested at?

In Romania.

In Romania.

Sex trafficking, right?

They're charging him with.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

You have to.

Bold head of guy.

I heard the case.

Like, I heard his name.

I seen it on the news or something.

I mean, he's the most viral person.

He's the most Google man in the world right now.

That's crazy.

Really?

Andrew Tate.

What is he?

I don't even know.

He started some type of service in his house.

I mean, him and his brother.

They have like 50 people working for them just to get their stuff out there.

And then they got hit with sex trafficking and everything else.

Such a gross.

Yeah.

I feel like if they want you in there, they'll find anything, right?

Anything on you.

If they search through your texts or emails, they're going to find something you did.

It's wild.

It's crazy.

It's a crazy situation.

It's actually scary.

Yeah, it's scary.

For real.

And that's why with the podcast, like Joey says, it's a voice to have out there because nobody talks about that.

People are in jail that are innocent.

You don't know until it happens to you.

Yeah.

Until you live it.

Yeah.

And you saw what your father went through, right?

Yeah.

Five years.

So you live it.

You know what I mean?

Like I meet people like.

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Like last night.

Ro.

Yeah.

Her boyfriend was in jail.

Like, she's like, I always thought the cops were right.

You know, I never even had a cop talk to a cop.

You know, I'm not saying that, right?

I'm talking about the FBI and shit.

She said, I see how crooked these are.

Yeah.

It's pretty scary.

You don't know until you live it.

Yeah, when there's a human element involved, greed.

Yeah.

You know, they're going to abuse their power.

Yeah.

It's pretty scary, man.

A lot of things could happen.

The guy we did the interview with last night who's good friends with Joey, 213 years he was facing.

Hold on, he got 200.

So he got 213 years.

212, I think it was.

Yeah.

Same thing.

And what did he get out though and how many?

The 20, 21 years, I think.

Right or right.

And he was innocent?

He got out?

No, he got out on a second chance, sack, but they fed him.

I mean, they just wanted to, they told him, I'll let you out right now.

Just

tell him Joey Merlino.

Wow.

The guy didn't know me.

Didn't even know me?

I seen him in jail.

I met him for 10 minutes.

Oh, and he told on you?

No.

He wouldn't.

If he would have, he could have lied like everybody else does.

Yeah.

And the guy said, I'm not doing that.

I don't know the guy.

Holy crap.

That's crazy.

That is crazy.

He could have walked right out the door.

He did 20 years.

Yeah, I don't know if I do that for someone I don't know.

It's a wild situation.

Yeah.

That is crazy.

Yeah.

Wow.

And you did 14 years, right?

Yeah.

That's awesome.

I like them sneakers.

What are they?

Custom, man.

Some previous guest made them.

Nice.

Yeah.

I'll have them make you guys some.

Yeah, they're nice.

Nice.

I see you guys are big in the shoes, too.

Travis Scott's.

Hell yeah.

And I feel like also if you don't have the money to fight it, too, you're just going to go to jail.

That's what it is.

You don't have the resources.

They give you a public defender.

A public defender don't give a f ⁇ .

Yeah.

He gets paid.

No, he gets paid.

No matter what, he gets his $1,500 an hour.

90% of the lawyers don't give a f ⁇ .

They go home at night to sleep.

They don't give a f ⁇ .

Right.

You know what what I mean?

So they get whatever they get an hour.

They milk the case.

You know, they just make it like, you know, drag, oh, yeah, we're going to win.

We're going to win.

We're going to win.

Then you get buried.

You get sentenced.

You go to f ⁇ ing jail.

They mail you to f ⁇ ing Texas.

And then the guy goes home.

He's in a palm eating.

Yeah.

Not worried about you.

We got a friend.

We just did a speech with his name's Yaya.

27 years.

He was young.

He didn't have no money.

Public definitely.

They told him to waive your jury rights.

So there's no jury.

Just it's up to the judge.

Yeah.

27 years.

Life without parole.

They gave him life without parole.

Holy crap.

He just got out.

A kid.

these guys are, you know, they're 18, 17, 18.

They charge them as adults.

They don't know nothing about.

They didn't go to school.

Yeah.

No, it's that.

And a lot of these guys, I don't know the exact percentage, but when they get out, they go back in, right?

Yeah.

Well, it's a revolver indoor.

Yeah.

And they want that.

It's all money.

It's all about money.

Right.

Because they get paid per prisoner, right?

Yeah.

If there wasn't crime, there'd be.

Just picture.

If there was no crime ever, no crime, there'd be no police.

There'd be no judges.

Yeah.

Lawyers.

We'd be lawyers.

Jewers.

Prison guards.

Yeah.

Correctional officers.

Yeah.

Prosecutors.

I mean, people are.

$20 million business.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's a revolving door.

Look at Meek Mills.

He was a kid.

He got caught with

whatever the f ⁇ it was, a gun.

Yeah.

They gave him 11 years he was on probation.

He kept on putting him back in jail, putting him back in jail, putting him back in.

Instead of trying to help a f ⁇ ing guy, you know, help a guy that comes out.

Like I said yesterday on the show.

How many kids are on,

like they're

drug users?

They're not drug dealers.

And

they need help.

Like they need to go to rehab, not f ⁇ ing jail.

Right.

And they send them to jail.

Get them done, 15 years.

Instead of helping them.

Yeah, because you're so young at that age.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, you're a kid.

Crazy.

Yeah.

You guys have been following the Diddy stuff?

I've seen it on the paper.

You know, I don't believe nothing I read, but

yeah, but I don't know what the f ⁇ is going on with him.

Yeah, it's scary.

That's scary.

So glad to Lee, I don't know what's happening.

Similar to Tate, I feel like he pissed off the wrong person.

Yeah.

When you have that much money and you're involved with so many different things, somebody just wants to take you down, no matter what.

Yeah.

They said he makes Epstein look like a

yeah the way they're making it seem they said he makes epstein look like a choir boy yeah i mean they're but that's a sick thing epstein epstein whatever the name is the islands can't forgive that no you can't i mean he's he was it's crazy nobody

nobody got locked up on the case except that the poor girl i mean she was no good neither i mean she got life right no she got 20 years but how nobody else they was

everybody was in the building they still haven't released the names right yeah there's three names they won't release release.

If that was me that had everybody's name, they would have locked my whole family up.

My dogs would be locked up.

For real.

Like Biden's son, same thing.

I know.

Yeah, 100%.

My whole family would have got locked up.

He's having a ball.

He don't care.

You don't give a fuck.

He don't care.

No, I mean, that's funny.

Father's the president.

System's rigged, man.

No, it's rigged.

I don't give a fuck what anybody says.

Yeah, it's really rigged.

I mean,

if Trump did a quarter, if Trump's son did a quarter with Biden's son, did forget about it.

Yeah.

Look what New York's doing to Trump right now.

He just had to pay $25 million.

Wild.

No, it's more than that.

More than that?

Well, it was

almost $500 million.

Just for bond, I'm saying.

Just for bond.

It was $25 million.

What the fuck is he going?

He's a president.

Where is he going on?

To the golf course.

That's it.

That's all.

We're very good to him.

They sued him.

It was $400 million.

Now you had to pay $175 million.

Nuts.

Nuts.

I saw you post a photo with him.

You're backing him this election.

I can't vote.

I'm not allowed to vote.

You can't vote.

I'm a felon.

I can't vote and can't have a gun.

Damn.

Yeah, once you're a felon, you're done.

I didn't know that.

Wow.

But you still have to.

Some states, felons are allowed to vote.

I got to look up Florida.

I got to see.

Okay.

But you still like him?

Yeah, I mean, I want him as I think he was one of our best presidents ever.

Yeah.

He's not a politician.

You know what I mean?

He's not a politician.

Business was good for us.

He's a business guy.

Business was good for everything.

Stock market, interest rates.

Gas is higher than Hunter.

I went to fill my gas thing up last week in Florida.

I was low.

I was like, On E.

It's $130.

Holy crap.

Used to be like $20, $40 growing up.

It used to be $70 when Trump was in.

Like $75.

Yeah.

$30 and $30.

It doubled in four years.

Yeah.

That is insane.

The economy's messed up.

I'm not a fan of it.

No, I'm not.

Same here.

No, it's up.

Yeah.

If he wins again, dude, I don't know what's going to happen.

And people get me, like, you're allowed to have an opinion.

Yeah.

You're allowed to say who you like.

Like, what's the big deal?

Listen, the guy.

If you look at the guy,

the guy's got dementia.

I forget about if you like him or not.

The guy's f ⁇ ed up.

He can't talk.

Yeah.

He don't know where he's going.

They got to show him which way to walk.

And that's what's crazy.

You know what I mean?

Like, they should get him help.

Like, so people don't make fun of him, even though.

Like, you know, the media's killing them.

Yeah.

But they don't care.

Countries are probably watching it.

What?

Putin's laughing his balls off.

China.

Yeah, they love it.

Oh, man.

You started a cheese steak business this year?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm opening it.

We're just starting to construct, you know, starting to...

We got to get the place.

So probably

open middle August.

Nice.

You know, it needs a lot of work.

Yeah.

I'm going to try it out.

I'm going to go ahead and get it.

You better come.

She stakes her high up on my sandwich list.

You better come to the grand opening.

Yeah.

Yeah.

August.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

September.

Right before the Eagles start.

Yeah.

It will be done.

Right before football.

Okay.

Well, the best cheese steak in Philly.

Oh, yeah.

You guys Eagles fans?

Yeah.

Yeah, Eagles fans.

All right.

I'm whoever I bet.

There you go.

That's what I was going to say.

If I bet against the Eagles, I hate them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's all about where the buddies goes, who we like, who we're betting, player parlays, props.

Yes, you keep it objective.

You don't let your emotions get it.

Nobody really bets teams anymore.

This water is good.

What is this?

Solid, man.

Yeah.

It's glass water.

They put oxygen and hydrogen in it.

I'll get it.

Oh, you got it.

I got one.

It's amazing.

Yeah.

I'll put you guys in touch with the founder.

This is good.

Yeah.

I'll have them sponsor.

Drink us in the casino.

You never go to sleep.

You play dice all night.

That's what they do.

What's your game?

Right now.

He played anything.

Yeah, I'll play anything.

I like blackjack.

Blackjack.

I like backracking.

But blackjack can't win.

They cheat and everything.

Yeah, I would say Baccarat right now.

I like Baccarat.

Baccarat.

Yeah, apparently the deck shufflers, they cheat or something.

Everybody.

Automatic ones.

Yeah.

Crazy.

They have everything.

Just put it in a thing, and

they have every egg.

They can do whatever they want.

Yeah, now I'm hearing with roulette, they can kind of control the roulette, too.

Well, somebody just got caught somewhere at Rivers Casino, not in Philly, it was somewhere.

I think Pittsburgh, maybe.

The dealer had a zapper on the wheel.

It was going out of turn.

And they were hitting it four spots and they knew how to do it.

Wow.

And they just got caught doing it.

They cheat.

Years ago, when resorts open, I'm like in the 80s, early 80s.

You know, the money wheel.

Yeah, yeah,

they know how to turn it where they could put it right in that, like, in, you know, three, like.

Three or three.

Yeah, like, like, right in the end.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You don't say that they cheat to be a hater or just say, well, of course, we lose all the time.

It's impossible that everyone loses and they always win.

Right.

That's the, that's the issue.

Like, that's impossible.

If we're with 10 guys and all 10 lose, come on.

I mean, it's crazy.

And the odds should be close to 50-50.

But they ain't.

They ain't, yeah.

No.

No, they're not.

Baccaratus.

I mean.

Yeah, baccaras, but.

Well, you got to play the juice, though.

You got to pay the 5%.

They have every edge.

They got every edge.

They're even making sense in the casino to make you stay there's no windows nothing

clock

you're never tired in there neither never

pump oxygen or something they put something

they make you as comfortable as possible for sure that's why you guys like sports betting right because it's more controlled yeah yeah and it's and at least you have a little bit of time to root it in you know you enjoy it you're with your friends you're with your family you're eating and it's fun to do it we should try stock stocks will ruin the whole stock market well at least at least last you bet the game in three hours it's over i know at least the stock you got unless the company blows up or goes bankrupt.

Stops are crypto.

We should get in there.

Some people think stocks are right, too.

Yeah.

Yeah, they say that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But look at the people on the inside.

They're making all the money.

Six companies own 80% of the stock market of the volume.

Listen, Warren Buffett, all he's got to do is go on TV and say,

I like this water is going to be the best water.

The fucking thing.

It's planned.

Like, if we do that, it's insider trading.

You're locked up.

Facts.

No, I mean, they control it.

Yeah.

God bless me.

What can See Pelosi's worth?

Oh, that's $250,000 a year, but she's worth $40 million.

Crazy.

Yeah,

how the fk you make $40 million.

Give me that job.

There you go.

There's a side of trading.

There's a site called Pelosi's Trades, and you can just copy her trades.

I would.

Yeah.

Well, they have the, what do you call it?

The husband's a lobbyist.

It's all, you know, I own a pharmaceutical company.

I own, I got this poll coming up, I agree.

Nobody knows what it is.

I tell you, Sean, go buy this stock.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's going to get FDA approved.

Once it gets approved, it's over with.

You're a multi-millionaire.

When did you guys start realizing everything was rigged in this country

i've been saying it yeah i would say since i started gambling yeah yeah okay yeah i

just started realizing it like in the past few years right when i was growing up i had no idea all this corruption no corrupt crazy a lot of corruption for sure because you think it's the land of the free and then you see all this programming and it's really not you got no

no freedom of speech can't say anything i can't talk about certain things on the show no it gets deleted well that's why we had to go over to patreon oh yeah you're not on youtube anyway We're on there with a little clips.

But they, they, they, they be, they hate this, damn, yeah.

Every video got striked, we couldn't get monetized.

They would have, like, I would post a video, it would have an age restriction.

Meanwhile, nothing was in there.

That we gave away $100,000, had a turkey giveaway, we had dinner for the homeless.

The video got taken down.

What?

Yeah, they gave up.

That's crazy.

That's why we went over to Patreon because we had a and they had a girl on the YouTube killing animals life.

They left out.

That was fine.

What?

Dude, I get those on my Instagram.

I see humans dying on my Instagram.

And it's fine every day.

It's insane.

And they normalize it.

You say f ⁇ ing, it's it when it's right out.

And they got these rats going on saying they killed 19 people.

I killed this.

I did that.

They love them.

They leave them on.

Yeah.

There's a lot of those guys that are going viral right now.

Yeah.

No,

they push what they want you to see.

Yeah.

That's what it's all about.

Well, like

what they did with Trump.

Yeah.

With a sunlight.

No news station except Fox talked about it.

The laptop.

They knew about it two years before.

It's crazy.

Like you said, yeah.

They made him a villain.

It's hard to even believe who's a villain now because they say Putin's a villain.

Yeah.

And who actually knows?

Yeah.

Who knows?

Could be just media programming.

What if he's like a good dude?

I know.

Well, they tried to blame Putin for that, for the, when it came out about the, not the laptop, but the election.

In the office?

No, what do you have?

It's not a laptop.

The thing he sent.

Yeah, his laptop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they said it was a Russian, the Russians were doing it.

Yeah.

Get the f out of here.

And that guy, Barr, knew.

That's the only mistake Trump made.

He put him in the United States.

He put Barr in there.

He was the U.S.

Attorney.

He knew a year before.

He said he didn't want to interfere with the election.

Yeah.

If I was Trump's son, they would have f ⁇ ing hung him.

It's crazy.

Double standards, man.

Yeah, double standards.

So, snuff, you're sober for eight years now?

Eight years sober and clean.

You went to rehab four times?

I went to rehab four times.

First time I ever went to rehab, Joey got me in.

I got dropped off to him at his restaurant.

I got to eat, and then they shipped me away in Florida.

I went to rehab twice in Florida and twice in PA.

Okay.

And then the last time I went was September 11th, 2016.

and I stayed sober ever since.

Nice, man.

Yeah.

So you really were a troublemaker.

Oh, yeah.

I was.

Yeah.

He was a rotten.

Once you get hooked, like it's, it's hard.

You have to go through a program.

You got to do step work.

You know, you got to get a sponsor.

All that stuff's true.

You know,

yeah, it works.

You know, it works if you want it to work.

That's what I always tell people.

You know, if you want to get sober, you're going to get sober.

If you don't, you ain't getting sober for you, you, your mother, your father, you got to do it for yourself.

And then it works.

Was it alcohol mainly?

No, it was actually pills.

Oh, yeah.

I don't ever see you drink, right?

No, I never drank.

Really?

It was just never that.

But I don't drink.

I don't smoke.

I don't do anything.

Pills are so easy to get.

Yeah, it was.

And back then, it was easier.

It was all oxy.

So that's what I was doing.

Yeah.

Now they lace those, man.

Now it's all.

If anybody wanted to get high now, I think it's crazy because it's got fentanyl in it.

You just die instantly.

Yeah.

It's not worth it.

Yeah, it's not even real buying.

No.

No, but people want that.

They want that high.

They want a chance to die.

That's what they chase.

Really?

It's crazy.

That'd be nuts.

Yeah.

When you're in addiction like that, dude, there's no stopping you.

You just got to go get help.

That's it.

Yeah.

So that's what we try.

We try and spread that message all the time.

It's a good message, man.

There's a lot of people addicted right now.

Yeah.

Ton.

Ton.

Addiction is major, especially in the United States.

They said it's worse right now than it's ever been.

Ever.

There's a lot of worse right now.

Yeah.

Mental health.

Yeah.

Mental health.

Health in general is terrible.

It's terrible.

And, you know, if you need help or anything, you're struggling, always reach out.

You just got to tell somebody you need help.

You don't have to be embarrassed about it because everybody's going through something.

You know what I mean?

And that's just what you have to do.

Yeah.

That's the first step, right?

Admitting.

Admitting you got to be stopping.

People struggle.

100%.

And I didn't want to admit it.

At first, I was a young kid.

I'm like, I could beat this on my own.

Yeah.

You know, when you get sober at 24 years old, everybody's going out, partying, clubs, and I knew I had a problem.

I couldn't do it.

So you don't ever crave drinking or partying now?

Nah, eight years now.

It's just, it's so far gone.

Because I know if I ever had a drink or did anything again, like, none of this would happen.

I wouldn't be here for sure.

Love it.

But he comes out with a sweet drink.

I don't know how he like nothing.

He has a good time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I go, like, I know my max.

Like, I'm in bed.

He'll tell you like 11:30.

He loses 11:30.

We're out till 2:30 in the morning.

But he hangs.

He hangs.

I leave my wife.

I mean, it's hard.

It's got to be hard.

You got 10 people drinking, laughing.

Yeah.

But he has fun, but you can't drink.

I enjoy it otherwise.

I like, you know, hanging out, breaking balls.

Like, it doesn't bother me at all.

I feel that.

Yeah.

Damn, so you're still partying till two, man?

Yeah, he loves it.

He's a machine.

I don't know how he does it.

And he wakes up fresh as a day.

It's genetics, man.

Yeah.

Those Italians, I mean, listen.

It could live to 100 and drink

pasta and pizza.

Like, it's nothing.

Yeah, I eat pasta in Jersey, and I feel like now.

Yeah, we had a nice lunch yesterday.

What nationality are you?

I'm half Irish, half Chinese.

All right.

That's a nice mix.

Yeah, I got the best of both.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, Chinese.

You're 12 for Chinese.

I know.

6'6, man.

I could hoop.

Yeah, you could hoop.

Can you hoop?

Yeah, yeah.

You can play.

Well, he says I can't play, but I just.

This guy told me the other day we did a live that he said he could chew 40% from three points.

I'm going to make four.

We're going to do it.

That's what Carrie shoots at.

You want to shoot that.

Listen.

I can.

I'll bring you guys a lifetime tonight if you want to.

Wife Find Fitness?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good gym.

They got one in Boca.

Yeah, Yeah, I got some guest passes.

If you guys want to film it tonight, we'll see how we make it out at the win tonight.

How about you pulling up without the win tonight?

5k?

Well, no,

I'm getting buried, so tonight my bankroll's low.

Okay.

I don't even know how to do it.

He's on fumes right now.

I was playing a poker machine when he came down to get me to school.

I feel like the machines are rigged, though.

Yeah, they're rigged.

They say, they tell you they're rigged.

Yeah.

Those are so old.

You know what's crazy, though?

When you're here in Vegas, though, it's fun.

You know what I mean?

It's just fun to do it.

You got to do it.

Like we were by the pool this morning.

I mean, it's just, it's a great pool.

It's It's nice.

Yeah.

But the machines, that's what they want the.

Listen, the casino don't want a guy to come in and win two, three million.

No.

They don't.

They'll ban you if you win too much.

Yeah.

They want the old lady coming in with the slot machine.

Just bringing their check.

Look what they did to that Kim Mickey.

Banned.

Banned.

Done.

Everywhere.

I mean, he won 20, 30 million.

Done.

He said that he had to how to win in Baccarat.

As soon as he started winning and exposing them, they banned him from everything.

How the f ⁇ do you have a plan?

No, he just, he's good at it.

He says he does have a little edge.

He never said it yet because he's coming out with a book.

Yeah.

And they just don't like to hear that and they want him out.

There's an edge, man.

Phil Ivy out an edge.

He got banned too.

From where we are, from Atlantic City.

Brigada.

Yeah.

My lawyer represented him.

Oh, Ed Jacobs.

He had to give.

He had to give all of it back.

Yeah.

In London, he got the money.

But in the Bergatta, he had to give it back.

I think it was full $14 million or something.

Damn.

He didn't do nothing wrong, though.

Yeah.

Like my lawyer said, he did it.

He's seen it before the casinos.

Yeah.

Right.

And they appreciate it.

Ain't like he went in there and marked the cards.

You know what I mean?

And then you did something.

Yeah.

He just seen, it was the cut of the cards.

Exactly.

He's seen.

He's seen it before they've seen it.

But he asked them, I want an Asian dealer.

I want this deck of cards.

I want to sit at this table.

They said yes to everything.

Once he won, they made it a big deal.

Besides that, though, he's one of the smartest gamblers in the world.

He would have won regardless.

They're sore losers.

Really?

I love watching him play poker.

Yeah, he's going to poker.

I think he's the goat in poker.

He is the goat, for sure.

He really is.

You guys play poker a lot?

No, I stink.

Yeah.

Go broke in three hands.

Yeah,

it's too long.

I don't have the patience.

I don't have the patience.

Yeah, it's a slow game.

Them guys sit there for hours.

Don't play him.

Yeah.

I can't do that.

I can't.

Ivy, Grinder.

Grinder.

Phil Helmuthi.

They're all legit.

They're the goats.

Cornflakes.

Yeah, they're good poker players.

We're just not into the poker.

I'll fill it up.

Any upcoming guests you guys have that you're pumped about?

We got Pete Rose.

Tomorrow?

Yeah, Pete Rose tomorrow.

That's going to be pretty cool.

When I go back to Phil, I'm going to get Iverson.

Alan Iverson.

That'd be a good one.

The goat.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's good, Iverson.

Yeah, we got him a long time.

Wallow and Gilly.

Wallow and Guillaume.

That's a great one.

They film out here.

Million dollars worth of game.

They're all over it.

It's hard to get with them, but we just seen them.

They reached out and they're like, yeah, let's do it.

Yeah.

So you film in Philly mainly or in Boca?

Boca.

Both.

Okay.

I mean, Philly, but mainly.

I mean, Boca mainly.

But we go to Philly, which is the go.

McDave Boulevard, our friend Drew.

He owns a studio out there.

He makes our business.

He's got a real nice studio.

And then I use a lot of people.

We're all going to a restaurant, a saloon, or whatever, a restaurant.

Yeah, we like to switch it up.

It's fun to go places and do it.

You know what I mean?

People want it in their restaurant, advertise them.

We like to help small businesses out.

So if they're struggling, we'll do it right in there for them.

Yeah, I'm the same way.

When I travel to New York City, I love filming.

Absolutely.

Meet people in that city.

It's one of the best networking things.

It really is.

And you meet people that you never thought you would meet before.

That's true.

That's cool.

Yeah, this would have never happened.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Social media is powerful.

Yeah.

It's cool to see you guys adapt to it, too.

It's the older generation.

And he's good at it.

He loves it.

Yeah.

I ain't go with TikTok.

No, it's like he doesn't like the TikTok, but Instagram, he's very good at.

Yeah, Yeah, Instagram.

Yeah, Instagram.

Yeah, Instagram.

TikTok, I can't.

X.

You know, we do it all.

And, like, we put this together.

Like, literally, this was like, he called me on a Monday.

He's like, fly to Boca on Tuesday.

We're filming a podcast.

And I was like, all right.

That was it.

We had no script.

No plan.

No, nothing.

Damn.

And we got.

We got no writer.

Like everybody is.

No producer?

Nothing.

Everybody.

Who's your producer?

Who's your writer?

F ⁇ me.

It's us.

We talk.

Wow.

We don't have nothing written down.

We don't prep questions or not.

Nothing.

Damn.

It's all natural.

When it's real and the truth, it's easy.

Yeah, the truth's easy.

Like, when I'm talking about cases and informants and rats, it's easy to tell the truth.

You don't need nothing.

Yeah.

They had us dead after episode three, and then it just exploded.

And then now

we're 32.

Somebody told us, I told them about it last night that they text me.

Whoever your writer is, they got some funny jokes.

They're funny.

I ain't no f ⁇ ing writer.

It's me.

Yeah, it's us.

I'm just talking off the cuff.

Yeah, that's it.

That's funny.

Well, your stance on rats is pretty clear.

Yeah, that's funny.

Absolutely.

Just say it for my audience.

Yeah, they're all no good.

They're lying.

They'll do anything.

Anything to get out of jail.

Yeah.

What's your

most forget about money?

Your freedom, right?

It's the most.

It's the most important thing, right?

Yeah.

So when they know they're done, they ain't never seeing daylight again.

They'll do anything, say anything.

Yeah.

Did you see a lot of them when you were in prison?

Yeah.

I had a lot of them testify against me.

People I didn't even know, like, really, just lied.

I don't

lied.

Wow.

Try to get me a fucking life sentence, death penalty, like, and my friends.

Holy crap.

I mean, thank God that we didn't do it.

And the jury seen that we didn't do it.

And we got to quit it.

But no, it's f ⁇ ed up.

Yeah, that's messed up.

Because they want to reduce their sentence, right?

Yeah, but they all got out.

I got their sons out.

Pete the Crumb.

I got his kid out.

I didn't even know him.

He had 14 years.

I let him right out.

Yeah.

Wow.

And this is.

Ralph and his son-in-law right out.

They got him out.

A guy who killed, how many people did he say he killed?

He said he don't remember.

My lawyer said, How many people did you kill?

He said, 25, 28, 30.

You don't mind you?

I don't know.

Over 25, he said.

Those are Sammy the Bull numbers, right?

You worse than Sammy the Bull serial killer.

Oh, well, that makes sense, though.

Yeah.

Damn.

He got out.

Yeah.

What were Sammy's numbers?

Like, 19.

19.

He killed a 16-year-old innocent kid.

Holy

16-year-old innocent kids.

I thought they didn't go after innocent kids.

No.

It was something.

He got beat up in a bar.

It was a mistaken identity.

And he shot the kid, killed him.

Oh,

he got three years for 18 murders.

Yeah, he did three years.

18 murders.

He's got ratted, though, right?

Oh, yeah.

Five.

He got five years, the good time.

Probably hit.

We obviously did three.

He probably didn't even do three.

Yeah.

What the f is that?

18.

You get more for drunk driving.

Yeah.

You're fucking nuts.

What do you think of the Michael Francis got?

He's not a rat.

He's not a rat?

Yeah, he's a rat.

Oh, he is?

Yeah.

I exposed him on the podcast.

He goes about telling everybody he ain't.

He is 1,000%.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I got his 302s.

I showed him on the 2000s.

He showed the 302s.

He's a 302.

Talking to the FBI and telling them everything.

Oh,

yeah.

I found him.

He rattled like over five people.

Damn, because he always prided himself on not ratting.

God, no, he's a rat.

Wow.

He's no good.

He's crazy.

So, yeah, his dad wanted to kill him.

No, his father was friendly with him at the end.

It ain't even his father.

Yeah, it's not his dad.

It's not his dad?

No, it's not his dad.

What?

Satan?

No, nobody knows.

No.

It's not his father.

That's his whole story.

Yeah, no, it ain't even his real father.

Oh, he was adopted?

No, I don't know what the f ⁇ .

Something happened.

His mother went with somebody else, I guess.

He doesn't even know who the f ⁇ father is.

Holy crap.

But see, nobody understands the real story because they just go on the internet and they just tell all this stuff.

He's watched him for years.

Yeah, everybody watched him.

He's found God, the church.

Get the f out.

He's a scammer, too.

He robbed more churches than anybody.

Churches?

I thought he robbed gas stations

he has to you right that's what he yeah that's what he got that's what he got drunk how do you rob a church it's what he does he scams he goes around he preaches yeah he proves people they pay him to pay him to go to church well that whole industry is a scam of church in general is he a pastor now too i think he's a

yeah probably i just don't like how you give 10 of your money to the church and then they spend it on houses and bars

they're living in mansion pastors doing good they got private jets everything yeah i don't like that at all man nope they're weaponizing religion but it should be something that calls you absolutely you know i agree with that for sure.

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You're here, Joey, expose these rats.

We'll link it below.

And when you come to Philly for the cheesesteak, we'll do a podcast up there.

Let's do it.

We'll invite you over.

We'll get you set up and all.

I love all for you.

Awesome.

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We appreciate you having us.

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