Legal Battle with Prime? I Tom Bosworth DSH #456

you were the youngest lawyer to get an eight-figure settlement in Pennsylvania?

Eight-figure verdict, which would be just the jury verdict, but this was an in-court jury verdict.

What happened in that case?

She was basically blown off by her doctor, basically gaslighting her.

She lost her job.

And ironically, she actually worked for the same health system that she ended up having to sue.

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All right, guys, we got a catastrophic injury and death lawyer here today, Tom Bosworth, one of the best in the game.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks for having me, man.

Yeah, you've accomplished a lot at your age.

Yeah, it's been an interesting couple years.

Yeah, because

I feel like for lawyers, they don't really peak until late, but you've had some huge settlements already at 35.

Yeah, I never thought,

actually never thought I'd be a lawyer.

Oh, yeah.

Like my dad was a cop, and my mom was a waitress.

So

I didn't think law schools would let me in.

I didn't think I was up to snuff.

So I'm grateful for all the successes.

Yeah, that's a big change.

Did you want to be a cop growing up?

No way.

My little brother's a cop, so like he followed in my dad's footsteps.

And I love my dad and my brother, but I get ragged on a lot during Thanksgiving for being a lawyer.

But I never want to be a cop.

I would watch cops and be like, can they do that?

like yeah cops pretty stressful but so is being a lawyer yeah for sure there's both different types of stresses i guess definitely and you're dealing with one right now right

a couple i guess i could i could list a lot for you for sure yeah and it's do you try to separate like the personal side from the the legal cases it's hard because

i think old school lawyers would disagree with me, but I actually think that you need to be emotionally invested in your client's case.

Not overly, but like if you're not emotionally invested, I don't think you can be the best advocate.

And if you don't actually care, I don't think you can be the best advocate.

So, but there's a balance there, right?

Like, cause if I go home and I'm like consumed and I'm like with my kids and my wife, that's not good either.

So it's always like a delicate balance.

But I think to with

remove the emotion is bad.

Yeah.

I kind of agree.

Cause as a consumer point of view, I've hired tons of lawyers.

And when I can see that they're just doing it for money mainly and they're just treating it logically, it almost feels kind of weird

if they're not emotional, a little emotionally invested.

Because a lot's on the line in some of these cases.

Exactly.

Like your whole livelihood if you're getting sued for a big amount or something.

Yeah.

And all the people that I represent, like they've either lost someone who died who they love, whether that's their child or their mom or whatever, or they've had a stroke or they're paralyzed, like really big stuff.

So if I'm like going in there, like

hello,

like, you know, emotionless, it's not, it's not great.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So you were the youngest lawyer to get an eight-figure settlement in Pennsylvania?

Eight-figure verdict, which would be just the jury verdict as opposed to settlements out of court

agreement, but this was an in-court jury verdict.

But yeah.

What happened in that case?

A woman in her 50s had a spinal mass in her spine that was growing over many years.

And she was basically blown off by her doctor, her primary care doctor.

She was going to him and he was

basically gaslighting her and saying like, oh, well, you're overweight.

You work a lot.

Like, cause she was having back pain and like eventually numbness and tingling in her legs, which is like spinal cord 101 problem.

Like needed an MRI, needed a CAT scan.

He never sent her for one.

He never sent her to a specialist to look at her spine or anything.

He just kind of wrote it off until eventually she like, her legs gave out.

Wow.

And she ended up on her own in a neurologist's office who took one look at her and was like, holy smokes, like we need an MRI.

They found the mask, they operated, but unfortunately by then, she couldn't walk without a walker.

Her ability to go to the bathroom was affected.

Her ability to live alone, everything.

She lost her job.

Ironically, she actually worked for the same health system that she ended up having to sue.

She was a lab tech for that same health system.

After?

No, before for her whole career.

So she would be the person, like, if you go get your blood drawn or you do a urine test, like she would be the person who would transport that like from the hospital where you are to the lab to like test it, right?

So she worked for that company.

That is crazy.

Yeah.

Wow.

And then they like fired her because she couldn't work anymore.

Which tech, which they were correct, she couldn't work anymore.

But then in court, and this is what gets me about like insurance companies and defense lawyers is that in court, they then like changed their tune and hired a bunch of paid experts to come in and say like, oh, she's really not disabled.

She really can work.

And when they had hired, they had fired her.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

That must have dragged on for a while, right?

Because the fact you went to court probably took years to get that.

Like three or four.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

I feel like the system's very long.

It is.

If you go the full way.

It is.

And the defense lawyers that get paid by the hour, they like love that because whether they win or lose, they get paid.

Right.

So I only get paid if I win.

But yeah, it's really overwhelming for people going through the process because they're like

For better or worse, they're like a cog in the system and they kind of suffer those those consequences of having to wait.

Yeah, yeah, I like I like your way better because I've paid the hourly.

I paid the retainer model.

It just adds up, dude.

Yeah, it does for real.

Yeah, and sometimes they're like, you're like, wait, I just like called you.

And they have like a kind of a normal convo.

Yeah, I don't love that.

Yeah, it's insane.

I feel like your model's more aligned with the consumer.

It is, no doubt, but it's also like we get the most stigma, like the ambulance chaser

label, like the insurance industry, the corporate industry has done a really good job at like demonizing victim lawyers, but nobody even knows or seems to care.

Like you've had personal experience, but like hourly rate lawyers on the other side where, you know, someone's ruined someone's life and they're negligent and the lawyer knows it and everyone knows it, but they're like, I don't care.

I'm going to drag it out because i get paid by the hour for real i got hit with 400k bill this guy was 515 hours so the whole year was 400k yeah that sucks i mean that's insane yeah it is and they just keep piling it up yeah exactly um

so let's see

248 000 followers on tick tock as a lawyer that's pretty high yeah was that something you planned to do a lot of social media marketing to acquire clients not even close oh really i was in vacation and um my wife was like who's way more tech savvy than me?

Like, I wish she was here because she would make fun of me about how little I know how to do online.

But she's like, you should do TikToks.

Like, I had a TikTok account, but I never got any views.

I didn't do law videos.

I was like, nobody wants to hear a lawyer.

But I did a video on medical malpractice and it got like 40,000 views.

I was like, holy crap.

So I just started doing them.

And

I do them.

I love the ability to spread information and awareness in a way.

Like I think TikTok does that really well, in a way that reaches a ton of people.

So I've gotten clients from it, but I didn't like

wake up one day, like, oh, all right, I'm gonna like push social media.

Like, I just did it, and it happened.

Nice.

Yeah.

So, how common is medical malpractice?

Way more common than people realize.

There's a study that was done

that said it's basically like the third leading cause of death in the country.

Johns Hopkins did a study on this.

So people think of it as rare, and I think the the health industry wants us to think of it as rare, but it's not at all.

It happened to me when I was in like fifth grade.

Really?

Yeah.

I went to get my ears checked, and she,

I don't know what she was doing in my ear, but it ended up bleeding.

And then I got an ear infection all from just a regular visit.

Yeah.

And I didn't even know what to do because at the time.

I was one of those people who just like blindly trusted the doctor before I got into this field.

Like I would be the person that's like, well, they said this, so it's okay.

And like now I realize like you have to be your own advocate and you kind of have to be savvy and understand that how the system works because it is a system and it is a business right and one of your tips for people is not to go to the ER alone right if you can avoid it now obviously like I don't want people to be like lying on the ground at their apartment

not calling the ambulance so they can get someone but ideally you want someone there because you want a witness and you want somebody who's there I have not every case just about every case I have

the doctors or the nurses or whoever's on the other side

either dispute that something happened or go so far as to say that something in the medical records didn't happen.

Craziness that is easy to kind of rebut when there's someone else there.

But they defend these cases not based on what actually happened a lot of times, but what they think they can get away with.

Absolutely.

And some of these prices, man, I mean, I just went to the ER with my friend.

She had a panic attack.

$12,000.

Yeah.

Isn't that crazy?

It's criminal.

I mean, that's insane for two hours of, I don't know, they did like a couple scans and stuff, but nothing intense.

It's disgusting.

Yeah.

I think it's a product of like politicians sucking.

Yeah.

Meaning like not holding corporations accountable because like the only reason they can charge that much is because they're allowed to.

Right.

And it's just, yeah, it's out of control.

We asked for an itemized bill and they're making us mail a letter like this crazy process that's going to take three weeks just to get the itemized bill.

Dude, you should fight it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It seems just for the principle of it, but like they get away with it.

Yeah.

And I think from their vantage point, they're like, oh, well, even if they fight this, like maybe we'll settle it for $10,000, but that should never cost that much.

That's the reality.

I might fight it just out of principle.

Yeah.

You know,

you also recommend people not to use baby powder, which a lot of people do, right?

A lot of people use it for their babies.

For sure.

Yeah, there's been

in the Johnson Johnson

cases involving,

technically, it's called telk powder.

I mean, the brand name is baby powder, but they found asbestos fibers in

some of the Johnson Johnson product.

A friend of mine, a colleague, Mark Lanier, who's a really well-known civil trial lawyer, got a multi-billion dollar verdict against Johnson Johnson.

I think he was the first lawyer to

expose the asbestos in the telc powder.

Prior Prior to then, there had been litigation, but there hadn't been a focus on the asbestos, and it can actually cause ovarian cancer.

Jeez.

Yeah, so women that, mostly women, I shouldn't, that have used it since they were little kids and babies have been really exposing themselves to this carcinogen, which, you know, doesn't mean that every person that's used it is going to get this, but there's definitely a causative link.

Yeah.

Isn't it crazy how products we used on a daily basis growing up are now, we're finding out they cause cancer and all this stuff, health issues.

Yeah, like even like toothpaste and like deodorant floss, floss, everything, everything we use growing up every day.

It's nuts, it really is actually.

Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of money for lawyers, though.

Yeah,

I'd rather the world be safe, but

it is true, yeah.

Now, now with Roundup, too.

I mean, that was a daily thing on the lawn when I was growing up.

Yeah, that's

crazy.

They, monsanto the all-loving monsanto made made roundup and it's interesting because they've been fighting these cases in court for years

and the main ingredient that is

is alleged to be bad is glyphosate which is

but so Monsanto took glyphosate out of Roundup, remarketed it without glyphosate, put it back on the shelf.

But then they go into courtrooms and say there's nothing wrong with glyphosate.

So there's this tension between, in these big corporate cases, there's this tension between what is real and in reality and then what the companies actually do in a courtroom.

It's really interesting.

I think most people assume like they're playing by the rules and they're not.

They're just like manipulating evidence or trying to manipulate evidence to

get an outcome.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Oh, so they removed it completely, but in court, they're saying it's fine.

Exactly.

Wow, I didn't even know about that.

Yeah, I had a doctor on

Lane Kilpatrick.

He said glyphosate in 60% of rain now.

Yeah, it's everywhere.

It's crazy.

Like PC, I don't know if you know about like PCBs, polychlorinated biphenyls, another Monsano product.

Thanks, Monsano.

But they're like in baby's blood.

And like, I actually am involved in a case in my hometown in Massachusetts, which was one of the biggest PCB Superfund sites in the world where I represent a bunch of kids who have cancer

who

people don't believe me when I say this, but their playground in this elementary school was built with PCB-drenched soil that General Electric, the company, sold to the town back in 1950 to build the elementary school, but they used soil from their plant that had been drenched in PCBs.

And PCBs have been banned since 1979 in the United States from all use.

So think about the things that we already consume that are terrible, that are illegal.

Like even, even our country

said in 1979, like, we're not doing this anymore.

Wow.

But they're, but they're, they don't biodegrade.

So they're, they're just permanently like in the environment.

That is crazy.

So kids were playing on that playground for 70 years.

There's the school's still open.

And it's still there.

People are still playing on it right now.

If you look, yeah, if you look at the playground, like a picture of it, there's in the background, you can see the landfill, the PCB landfill, like the mountain.

It's right up against the home plate backstop of the baseball field.

God, it's terrible.

And these kids are just playing on it, not even knowing, and now they have cancer.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

That's terrible, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, if our country banned it, that's next level.

But it's like a small town I grew up in, right?

So it didn't get

as much exposure as it ever should have.

And I was like, this is messed up.

Yeah.

Super messed up.

So a lot of this just comes down to big companies looking to make margin and not really care about side effects.

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That seems to be like most of these cases.

Yeah.

And the companies, people don't realize how sinister it gets because a lot of the companies actually,

they literally bake into their financial calculations the litigation risk.

So it's not even like an oopsie-daisy, like, oh man, this, like, what a shoe, they're like aware of it and know it's going to either hurt or kill people.

Um, the most famous case is the GM ignition switch case, which was a products liability case where certain General Motors cars were defective.

The ignition switch was defective and was causing all these unintended crashes.

GM like knew about it, like, and they wrote this internal memo basically calculating how many people are going to die, how many people are going to get hurt, and how much are we going to have to pay out.

Wow.

And then the conclusion was something like, and I'm paraphrasing, but the conclusion was like,

eh.

Like, it's like they looked at their numbers and they're like, well, we're going to make a lot of money.

And that case came out through civil jury trials, which is why civil jury trials are really important.

One of the reasons.

But,

you know, that's something that, like, as a member of the public, like at least me, I would never think that would even exist.

Yep.

But that's real.

That's super sinister.

I thought it was, they just didn't know and they weren't aware.

But the fact that they're building it in advance, they're pretty aware of the health risks.

Definitely.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

That is scary, man.

So I'm here to lighten the mood.

Yeah.

No, this is important to get out, though, because people don't even know about this.

No.

For real.

They just see the lawsuit and think it was an accident, but it was all planned.

Yeah.

Wow, you were just baked into their numbers.

Yeah, exactly.

Staffed up, man.

So you started your own firm two years ago?

A year and six months ago.

Nice.

Yeah.

What was that process like?

Was it tough transitioning into that?

Yeah,

it was an unexpected transition for me,

but it's like the greatest thing in the world.

I love it so much.

I don't know about you, but.

No, I love it.

I like being my own boss.

Yeah.

I think it's good to get experience working for someone else or mentored, but

nothing beats your own.

I mean, no.

No.

You're just in control.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a good feeling.

Also, everything falls on you, though.

That's true.

The risk is higher, higher, much higher.

But you had that safety net from working for X amount of years beforehand.

So, right, exactly.

I think that's a smart way to do it.

Some people dive into it right after college, and they're already in debt, and it's tough.

I also think our generation is more

willing to take on that risk.

Like the old school mentality was like, you get a job, and you like my parents and like my grandparents, like they're like, you get a job, you never leave.

Don't leave your job.

That's crazy.

I grew up in like a blue-collar household, so it was like, you know, you get a job, don't screw it up.

But I think we're in a totally different age now, especially younger people.

Absolutely.

You also told people not to use self-drive on their Teslas.

Yeah, man.

And I'm going to get Elon coming after me for this, but

I don't proclaim to be a software engineer or necessarily an expert, but

there have been software engineers at Tesla who have come out and talked about sort of this

tension between where the technology's at and what the leadership of the company is telling the public about it.

Like, you know, in every innovation and every technological advance,

you want to push things like that, which I respect and understand.

But at the same time, there has to be consideration of safety.

So I think even within the company, there's been kind of a

sort of a sticking point between, is this developed enough?

Is this reliable enough?

Is it safe enough?

Versus, let's get it out on the street.

And I think you've seen some of the effects of that with some of the the crashes that have occurred with the technology um but i i

probably get called a hypocrite for this but i i do on balance still think tesla as a company is doing a tremendous amount for safety yeah like if you look at the overarching numbers and what they're doing i do think they're and environmentally too I have one.

I'm a little scared.

I'm seeing these conspiracy theories about kill switches.

Have you seen those?

No, what's that?

They'll be able to shut your car off from like a distance.

That's freaky.

So you're just driving 80 miles per hour and they just shut it off.

Like the company?

Like just in general with electric vehicles, like a hacker can get in and just shut your car off.

That's terrifying and it also seems possible.

I'm not like an expert, but that's freaky.

I mean, hackers are good these days.

Yeah.

You ever deal with any cases like involving hackers?

No.

Thank God.

Well, sometimes these hospitals get hacked and all your data gets leaked.

That's terrifying.

Yeah.

It happens to law firms too.

Oh, yeah.

Which is terrible for like a client, right?

Because like your most personal and sensitive information, your health records, all that.

Yeah.

And a lot of these hospitals seem kind of outdated with the way they store and keep information.

For sure.

And that's probably why there's a lot of misdiagnosis and stuff because a lot of it's handwritten still.

The doctors have terrible handwriting.

Yeah.

Do you see that a lot?

Yeah.

I'm like going through records.

Like,

what is that?

And then you have to take their testimony and you're like, What does that say?

I've even had some of them like, I don't even know.

I'm like, you wrote it.

At least they're honest.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I mean, I could barely read my own sometimes.

Same.

I mean, when I'm in a rush.

Oh, dude, you should see me during trial.

I write, like, in big letters with a Sharpie

on a notepad, but, like, you wouldn't be able to read it if I paid you.

It's not good.

Do you raise your voice in trial?

Are you very animated?

Sometimes, but not all the time.

Like, I think you're, you have, you have to be authentic.

Not that you're not there to persuade and you're not, you're like representing one side, right?

But

jurors are human beings, and human beings have really good meters,

excuse me, but they have really good ability to look at someone, I think, and say, like, are they being authentic?

Do they mean what they say?

Are they being sincere?

And I think if you can't do that in a courtroom, you're in, you're in deep trouble.

Right.

So some lawyers brag about their record.

They're like, I've never lost a case.

Is that something you care about, your winning record?

I care about it, but any lawyer who's like the top creme de la creme trial lawyer, like they've lost cases.

Oh, yeah.

They don't talk about them as much.

Like I've, I've just lost my first trial

a couple months ago.

And so, but I found that like in the field, it's like taboo to talk about your losses, which I think is stupid.

I mean, like, the best trial lawyers in the world lose cases.

And if they're being honest, and I've talked to them all, they're like, yeah, if you're trying not enough cases, you're going to lose some of them.

And you're going to win some cases that you should have lost.

And you're going to lose some that you should have won.

but the important part is knowing

frankly if in my field the insurance company the defendants have to know you can go in there in the courtroom and cause damage and get a big verdict like otherwise they're not going to change or or

yeah do you ever see these companies change at all after big verdicts um

Only after like repeat blows.

Okay.

Like I think there's always this like initial, when there's a big verdict, there's usually an initial denial phase by the company of like, we're still right and we're going to appeal.

But over time, like, and you see this with Roundup, I think they've kind of racked up some big verdicts.

In an ideal society, you, you, you want to see them change.

Do they actually?

I think sometimes, but I also think a lot of times they, they're like, well, it's just the cost of doing business.

But you hear that all the time, these big companies.

And I still see Roundup in every store I go to.

I don't think they stopped selling that.

Yeah, no, they didn't.

Crazy.

I don't know if you want to touch on the prime stuff, but that's how I found out about you.

That prime video you made.

What's Prime?

No.

Yeah, no, that's been a wild, wild roller coaster for sure.

Yeah.

What compelled you to make that video?

Were you really passionate about it?

So I was contacted, and a lot of people, I think this got lost in translation, but a lot, I was contacted by a father of a young boy who's 10, who's actually was just hospitalized.

He has leukemia.

And so he was drinking a lot of prime.

And the dad didn't come to me saying, like, oh, I know prime caused it, but he had already seen the class action lawsuit, which I didn't even file, but which alleged there were forever chemicals, which they're just, forever chemicals are just nasty.

And so, you know, this is my, this is what I do for a living.

So it really wasn't anything other than

another case I was going to investigate and still am investigating.

More will be revealed on that front.

But I did the video because I did think it was a matter of public importance.

I, as we sit here today, think it's a matter of public importance.

Whether or not the allegations are true or not, I think it's something people ought to know, right?

And there's been a lot of blowback, like, oh, you can say anything in a lawsuit.

Like, yes and no.

Like, you can't say anything.

Like, if you say things that are unsupported by evidence or false, there's specific rules in the law that allow the defendant, in this case, Logan Paul or Prime.

to file a sanctions motion against whatever lawyer filed it.

So there's ways for defendants, if they really believe the allegations are way out of left field, to address that.

As far as I can tell, Logan Paul's never done that.

Prime's never done that.

So it begs the question, you know, where does the truth lie?

And I think that's why we have court cases.

It will play itself out.

But I don't regret talking about it.

And I don't, you know, despite getting a...

a

very, very aggressive letter from a corporate law firm, a corporate law firm, might I say, who represents chemical companies and big corporations involved in all sorts of toxic lawsuits, also representing Prime.

So that was interesting.

But I deal with those people all the time.

Yeah.

I used to be so scared of season dissists when I was younger.

Like, for real.

I'm still young.

What are you talking about?

When I was in my teenage years doing e-commerce, I would get some.

Would you really?

Yeah, and they used to scare the s ⁇ out of me.

Just like people just send them on Shopify if you have similar products.

You'd my wife did e-commerce.

Yeah, so she might have even got one, right?

And yeah but now they're just like whatever i mean there's there's levels to it if if you get a demand and then you get you know like a lawsuit well what's funny is i don't know funny but i've got all these people commenting on my video like i think they're like 17 18 year old kids yeah and i was i was 17 and 18 too so no no hate but like they're like you're done bro like like no like i'm good and like you you're gonna be like without a lawyer i'm like i have multiple lawyers in different states so I'm not.

You probably went to law school with so many lawyers.

I mean, they'll just help you out.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

But there is honestly,

there's an irony here, in my opinion, with like Logan Paul made his name, for lack of a better way of putting it, like on social media, like doing videos, like being an influencer, right?

Yeah.

And my video that sparked this whole thing, which got 16 million views,

was speaking publicly about a a public document a lawsuit and trying to raise awareness and about it

and

you know logan paul didn't like that very much but i just think there's a little irony like i used the mechanism and

medium that social media that he's adept at yeah so it's just an interesting

thing that video blew up and that was before you took it down it probably would have got even more views which is crazy but honestly dude, there's forever chemicals.

I'm not saying it's in Prime, but there's forever chemicals in tap water.

Like, it's pretty common that it's in stuff.

Absolutely.

People don't know that.

Yeah, and like what bugged me about the whole like controversy following my videos wasn't like the personal attacks of me.

It wasn't the comments.

It was the fact that like...

Less people like cared about like what forever chemicals are and how prevalent they are and whether companies are doing anything about it.

Like that hasn't been focused on.

Which I know like in the social media world, like I can't control like what catches people's attention, but as a like a as a trial lawyer who cares about this stuff, I'm like, guys, like

focus on

the drama.

They don't even care about

forever chemicals, which they should.

Exactly.

Because that damages your health a lot.

For sure.

Yeah.

And it's in a lot of tap water.

Yeah, that's what's crazy, too.

And I think like Logan Paul's video referenced, oh, well, we have these technologies, like filtration systems.

And if that's true, that's awesome, right yeah i think that should be the standard for any beverage company for sure given that we know it's in tap water right if you like you can only claim ignorance for so long and blame the tap water um granted you didn't put it there but if you're going to sell products to people you got to do something about it yeah one question i had with logan's was like

Did you install?

This is my lawyer brain.

Did you install that before or after you got sued?

Because I do see a lot of times where there's big lawsuits involving chemical exposure or allegations and the defendant does a bunch of stuff they could have done or should have done before the fact

in response.

That's true.

Yeah.

That's something a lawyer would notice.

How many people are part of that class action?

Did they publicize that number yet?

So by virtue of it being a class action, it covers

like it automatically covers anybody who fits within the definition of the the class in the lawsuit.

So the lawyer actually gets to define the class in the lawsuit.

So the way I didn't and I don't know what it is off the top of my head here, but usually it's defined by like any person aged blank through blank who drank prime or drank this.

They can define it any way they want really.

But

so it's definitely a lot of people.

Got it.

Did that lawyer who filed it reach out to you after your video?

No.

Oh, he didn't?

I sent the videos to him.

Uh-huh.

Because I wanted him to be aware that they had been made because,

you know, those are statements being made by a defendant in a lawsuit.

Logan Paul, well, Logan Paul's not a defendant, Prime Hydration is, but one of the heads of the company is making public statements that are directly relevant to that lawsuit.

Interesting.

I wonder if this is the first lawsuit against a drink.

Like, Gatorade's huge, there's other big drinks.

It's a good question.

This is the first one I've seen, at least.

Yeah, and I think,

yeah, there's all sorts of dyes in certain drinks.

Oh, my gosh.

Red dyes.

I don't know if you've heard about all that.

Yeah, Red Dye 5.

Yeah.

Yeah.

yeah i mean it's banned everywhere else but not here and that's just lobbying right just paying off the right people yeah yeah yeah so big food and western medicine all in bed they really are scary well one of the the um

uh

gary brecca who no i'm not but he did a video on like the the

recommended diet for someone with diabetes and i'm not an expert on this but it was like all like bad food.

I was like, what?

For diabetes?

Yeah, it was like orange juice, drink a glass of orange juice and eat the, like a bagel.

I forget exactly, but it just struck me as like not what someone who's diabetic should be eating.

Interesting.

Yeah, he is very polarizing.

But I've done his health tests and his blood tests and his gene tests, and I've seen results personally.

Are you big on like Eastern or do you lean more towards Western?

Like if I get stabbed, I'm going to go to the hospital.

But I think we've got it backwards in this country.

I mean, I think we've totally got it backwards.

We focus on

treating treating a disease when the process that brought that disease about

was like reversible or avoidable.

We don't talk about that enough.

I think it's shifting, like I think you and I talked about before we got on here.

But like, I'm very much about trying to prevent

the problem.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Tom, it's been fun, man.

Anything you want to promote or close off with?

No, no.

Your law firm?

Bosworth Law is my law firm.

So I'm on TikTok, Tommy the Lawyer, and I have a real old school webpage.

Got it.

We'll link it below.

You take cases in PA, right?

Yep.

And I get asked to represent people like across the country.

So I do take cases on nationwide.

I have to affiliate with

whoever is in that particular state, like a lawyer, but I'm able to do that too.

Cool.

We'll link below.

Thanks for coming on, man.

That was fun.

Thanks, man.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thanks for watching, guys.

As always, see you tomorrow.