Dark Side of Fame, Battles with Mental Health & Dangers of Social Media I Abby Rao DSH #442

You really find out your real friends.

So I'm actually thankful all that bad shit happened to me.

I lost a ton of money, whatever, because I found out my true friends.

And now that I'm on the come up again, I'm going to be with them.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

We really do go through things for a reason.

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All right, guys, we are here on the digital social hour.

Abby Rayo is in the building today.

How's it going?

Hello, good.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

2024 just started.

Any exciting plans coming up for you?

You know, life.

Haven't really written anything on my vision board yet.

No, but

family, um, a few exciting things that I'm working on that, like, I'm not fully ready to talk about yet, but um,

just thankful to be alive, you know.

Sounds like a little bit of self-reflection this year.

Oh, always.

Yeah, that's important.

As humans, just wrapped up in the LA scene in business, you get so wrapped up and barely take any time for yourself sometimes, you know?

100%.

Yeah, I think family is everything at the end of the day.

And I think LA definitely is

easy to get wrapped in and lost in.

And that's something that I've really tried to make sure that I don't do.

Yeah.

So how long have you been in LA?

Five years now.

Okay.

So you getting getting your circle and everything established and yes, it's extremely small, but

yes, I have, I would say,

four

real friends.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's pretty cool because I try to keep my best friends on one hand.

It's like a rule I have.

Oh, really?

Just because like

I used to have so many friends, you know what I mean?

And it just wasn't authentic.

I feel like you, you should have a few key friends, and that's really all you need, in my opinion.

Yeah, I don't, I don't know why, but I've never really been the type to have like a large group of friends.

I feel like I can't really

connect in a big crowd, or I've never like felt comfortable even growing up.

Uh, I'm more of like a one-on-one.

So, I think I'd rather have like very few, very deep relationships than kind of just like

small talk.

Yeah.

You know.

Growing up, so where were you at before LA?

Louisiana.

Wow.

That's a big change.

Very big, yes.

I've never been there, but I've heard the food is good.

Oh,

it's unlike anywhere.

It really is.

It's very, very special.

The food in New Orleans, the warmth there, just people are very, very warm in the south.

And I obviously love California.

It's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

But Louisiana, not quite as beautiful, but the people are very beautiful.

That makes sense.

What prompted the move out here?

Was it business related?

It just kind of happened.

It was God.

I never

planned it.

It just kind of all happened.

And

life led me here.

Wow.

So it wasn't like I'm moving here.

No, it was, it was, I kind of felt, I've talked about it a little bit before, but I kind of felt like something was about to happen before it happened.

But I used to be a cosmetologist.

And so I was at work one day.

And the only way that I could describe it looking back is I started to feel like I was about to not be there anymore, which didn't make any sense because I was just now a year into my career, super happy, loved it.

But I had this weird feeling like something was about to happen.

And I told my best friend one day after work and then she was like, you're scaring me.

I was like, I'm scared.

Cause I had this feeling and I was like, I don't know if it's good or bad, but something's happening.

And like two weeks later, I got invited to this event out here and didn't really connect the two.

I happened to have that weekend off.

I went.

And then just the people I met, the way things happened, it just, I started kind of blowing up on the internet overnight.

And a girl that I met out here

was like, I'm moving out here.

You're coming with me.

Like, we're doing it.

And I just knew in my soul I had to just go.

And I just left everything.

I was 21.

So I was like, okay, if it doesn't work out, just come back home.

Yeah.

And then my whole life changed.

So, wow.

So you followed your gut instinct.

Yes.

It was a very weird,

yes, gut instinct, kind of like feeling it before it happened type of thing.

No, I'm super spiritual.

So I'm into that type of stuff.

Sometimes you got to just go with it and you don't know what's going to happen.

But here you are now.

So.

Yeah, it was the scariest, scariest, most terrifying thing I've ever done.

I feel like when I first came here, I didn't even sleep right for like three months.

I still had that knot, those knots in my stomach because it was just

coming to LA,

it's very hard at first because it's just a lot, especially if you're from a small town or a more normal.

area.

I say normal, but normal is different for everybody, but

it's just a lot going on.

And so I think you either push through or you kind of just go back home with your tail tucked between your legs.

Yeah.

You see a lot of people that happens too.

They come here.

It's not what they thought.

And they go home within a year or two.

I've seen that for sure.

And no fault on them.

It's just it's psychologically like not.

I think I had an easier

path, I guess, because really LA is so about who you know and how many followers you have.

And I kind of got lucky in that sense.

So I think,

you know, because of followers and because of the path that I've had and just being lucky,

you know, the right time, the right place, the right people, the right moment, I never really had to deal with feeling kind of not cool enough.

I kind of was just in the crowd because I had the numbers.

But seeing the way that other people got treated definitely was like, damn, this place is crazy.

Well, out here, followers are social currency.

It's one of the first questions you get asked at an event, at a party.

So when you you don't have that following, people just ignore you, right?

It reminds me of that Black Mirror episode.

I've seen the social currency one?

Yes.

It's literally like that.

Wow.

Exactly like that.

I'm sure you've experienced that too.

So I grew up in Jersey.

No one gave a s ⁇ , honestly.

How many followers you have?

Really?

Oh, but I mean, how long have you been in kind of like this scene?

Oh, yeah.

So I moved to L.A.

from Jersey, but it was during the pandemic.

So I didn't really go to events.

I didn't get to experience it.

Now I'm in Vegas.

People kind of care out there, but I didn't get the full experience you're talking about for sure.

But I hear about it.

It's pretty nuts to me.

I mean, I don't care about anyone I work with, how many followers they have.

Some people I work with don't even have social media.

Yeah,

they're probably happier.

Probably.

I've had podcast guests on that are billionaires without social media.

Yeah, no, no.

And I don't mean to sound ungrateful.

I'm very, very, very grateful.

But I think that there's a balance.

Definitely, definitely a balance.

I think it can be...

psychologically damaging.

I think it's a great way for people to connect and things to

really great, fun information to be spread, you know, very easily and very inspiring, loving, funny things.

But I think it can also be very damaging, especially how it's escalated just even since I started.

Right.

And I've seen you say on another podcast, you know, a crazy fan broke in your house.

That's crazy.

I mean, that doesn't come to just normal people.

It was a stalker, right?

Oh, yeah.

It was, it was, um,

when I lived with an ex that I was dating, and um, it was kind of a famous house.

And yeah, that was a really big wake-up call for me.

I just couldn't believe that

the person like knew my name and was trying to get into the house and get in and knew where my room was.

Like, I just was like, wait, I'm being like watched.

Like, it's just, that was kind of a weird realization for me and scary.

But I, I'm very spiritual as well.

And I'm big on energy.

And I kind of just feel like I have a protective energy around me.

So I don't invite that kind of

hecticness.

But that situation was definitely like, okay, you need to like be careful, be aware of your surroundings.

It was extremely scary.

That's important.

Yeah.

I actually have a spiritual coach and she always talks about putting up that shield because you never know who's going to try to like penetrate your life, use you in the wrong way.

Yeah.

Well, it's just also so many eyes, you know?

Excuse me.

So many eyes and just so much energy going towards you.

And all that energy is not necessarily good.

So, that was something that also kind of freaked me out

with the whole situation, just the psychology of it all.

I was just like, I couldn't.

It's like you see the numbers on a screen, but it doesn't, for me, it doesn't really correlate.

I feel that when you were blowing up, what was that feeling like?

Just gaining tons of followers every single day.

Um, I would say I had like two

high points.

The first one, um,

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I was dating someone, and I think I was kind of like in

also

happening really fast.

Didn't really think about

my, what I wanted to do or say.

I was just kind of looking up to a person and kind of like,

it was like a rush.

It was like,

it's, it's an indescribable feeling.

I think I went from being a cosmetologist, working with people one-on-one,

having that feeling at the end of the day of like, I made a difference and I made someone happy or connecting with people to my life just changed so drastically.

to where people were showing up, knowing where I lived, all this stuff.

And

I was, of course, excited.

And, you know,

every human you know to say you don't like that attention would be a lie i mean

it's a it's it's a rush yeah it's natural but it's also kind of like i started to feel sad i don't know if it was a mixture of like why me i i don't deserve this or um

i started to feel like i was part of what was wrong with the world

you know interesting because i was scared to or i didn't know how to make content of being me.

It was kind of like this persona of me.

And then it was like, it all happened.

And then I looked at it and I was like, wait, this isn't me.

It kind of feels icky, you know?

So odd.

But I think over time,

it got better.

Yeah, I feel that everything's just happening so fast.

You're in the mix of things just going along with it.

But before you know it, six months in and you're like, wait, where's my own personal brand?

You know what I mean?

Right.

Yeah.

And I think, you know, that rush feels good.

But then just like everything, it's kind of like if you have a brand new car, you're all excited.

And then six months later, it's just you just get in your car.

It's, it's a car.

Yeah.

So humans, you know, you get used to things and then that rush and that excitement ends.

And then you're kind of like, I think I was left with, where's my meaning?

Where's my sense of like true purpose?

And after

I really dealt with that, I just started going

and putting my focus more onto my family again.

And that helped a lot.

Yeah, same with me, honestly, because when I got so wrapped up in business, I neglected family and friends.

And the past year or two, I've really made an effort to call my mom every day.

I used to not even call her once every four months, honestly.

That's so important.

And it's not like,

I feel like in this world,

when you do go through something like that, it feels maybe a little isolating or a little bit like

hard to talk to the people in your life

at least at a certain point because you feel like maybe oh they can't relate or i don't want to burden them with my things that are going on in my life because you know they're going to be like oh really oh

sorry for you you know were they supportive when you moved out to la oh yes very blessed yes very blessed my my parents were very very supportive nice that's that's important i think there's sometimes a divide there when parents don't support support their kids' dreams or aspirations.

My parents are really young.

So I think maybe that has something to do with it, their generation.

Right.

You know,

luckily, I have to say my grandparents are also very supportive.

Nice.

But my parents are 45 and I'm 26.

That is crazy.

So they had you at 19?

My mom got pregnant at 17 and had me at 18.

Wow.

That is crazy.

Yeah.

Her and my dad were together since they were 12 years old.

They were a boyfriend and girlfriend.

Yeah.

Sixth grade, sixth grade.

That's, that's young.

Super young.

And obviously I was unplanned, but thank God my mom kept me.

And that took a lot of courage.

And I'm glad that she did.

And

yeah, I can't imagine myself having kids at 18.

I was a degenerate drinker.

Absolutely not.

Yeah.

I don't do any of that anymore.

Yeah, it's really weird.

I have a

one of my sisters is eight

and we are the exact same age difference.

So she was born when I was 18, I think, or she's going to be nine this year, something like that.

And it's just weird to think that when she was born, I was the age that my mom was when I was born.

And I was like, I can't imagine this being my child.

I can't imagine having a child right now.

I mean, any life that she could have

had or built, it just in that moment, she knew what the decision she'd made.

And she just said, there's no other decision in her mind.

And she just had me.

And that's, I really, especially as I've gotten older and understand more about life, it's just like, I see the sacrifice.

Her and my father, you know.

Wow, that's powerful.

Is your sister using social media yet?

Because I know kids that age are actually using it, which is crazy to me.

Yeah.

So I have two little sisters that are eight and 13.

And then my mom and my stepdad have

My brother Seth, who's 18.

And then I have a another brother who we were raised together, but we're we're the same age so they have social media the two little sisters eight year old absolutely not she's completely shielded from all of that nice no not allowed to see tick tock um

she the only thing that she has is she has snapchat but she only is friends with her family got it and she just uses it to talk to us that makes sense um but the 13 year old

just

got an instagram

but it's ran by by my stepmom.

So like she has it logged in on her phone and she can see everything.

And they're very, very, very good kids.

So yeah, I think I started Instagram in high school.

I was probably 15, 16, but the kids these days are starting at six.

So yeah, that's wild.

It's nuts.

That's wild.

And I've had like extensive talks with them and with Emily because she's older, but

I've had talks with her and she has a really good head on her shoulder.

She's a really, really good kid.

So cool.

I think as long as you have that communication open

you know, because also like her friends have it, you at some point you don't want your kids to feel like weird or isolated, you know.

So I think it's kind of like as the times change, there's, I think, for every parent, every child is different.

So it's kind of like it's up to their discretion and what their heart feels is right.

You know, if they told you they wanted to be an influencer like yourself, what would your advice be?

Obviously, I believe anything is possible.

I think you can do anything you want to do, but

you can't really

say, oh, I want to be an influencer.

Cause it's, it's, especially now, it's so

saturated.

Doesn't mean it won't happen for you.

It's just, I've always told them no matter what you want to do, you have to make sure you have some sort of education.

Doesn't mean you have to go to a university necessarily, you know, unless you want to be a lawyer, which my stepmom's a lawyer.

So I'm like, if you you want to be a lawyer, like mom, then you, that would require school, but getting a trade and something that you're really good at and harnessing that and just furthering that is number one.

And then on the side, if you want to do something fun, like whether it's makeup or,

you know, if you, they wanted to be an influencer or YouTube, that's something you could do on the side.

And then if it takes off, then run with it.

But you can't really, my advice to them as my siblings would be not to solely focus on that, you know?

Absolutely.

It sounds like, despite your millions of followers, you really value privacy in your life.

Yeah, I do.

I think it's

scary because just,

you know, going through times on the internet where

when everybody really loves you and like you're at those high points, it feels really, really good.

But times where I've been at a low point publicly

really psychologically kind of was like, okay, I have to make sure that

I don't value this so much or put so much of myself in it that I forget me or who I am.

And so I think like I definitely in the past couple years have put a lot of boundaries up.

And, you know, as time goes on, maybe some of those will come down.

But as far as my family and like my siblings or like one day when I have children, I,

you know, things change, but I don't see myself ever sharing them on social media ever.

Wow.

Yeah.

I keep my date.

People don't even know.

I have a girlfriend.

I've had a girlfriend for six years, but I keep it super private.

Like, no photos of her.

If we have kids, same thing.

I'm not posting.

I really value that part of our lives, honestly.

And she's very private.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know how.

I mean, I think whenever I'm married, I don't think that's necessarily something I would hide because, especially, it's like if I'm married, I'm going to, I'm going to be proud of that.

Yeah.

But I don't know that I would want to expose mainly my children to that right um just because thinking about and I'm not trying to judge any influencers or any people that do share their children that's their discretion and their choice but the way I think is like the world is so beautiful but also very cruel and I'm really big on energy and I just couldn't imagine my

angel baby like coming into this world and then posting a photo and like someone saying something about them or just picking them apart or looking at them or look at this bait.

Like it's just when you're, it's different when you, you're kind of like, you know, have a different career and you're in a normal town and it's just Facebook with all your family than when you have like millions of followers.

And also it's kind of like, they don't follow me to see my baby.

Right.

Nor do they need to see my baby.

Yeah.

You know, there's so much negativity on social media.

It's a game you got to play though, if you're a content creator and you just got to figure out ways to kind of block it out.

You know what I

Yes, definitely.

That's been a journey, but I think I'm definitely at a better place now because psychologically, like I said, it's, it's definitely,

it plays with the

mind.

It used to get to me heavy, but also you mentioned being, you know, being at a low point.

I had one recently.

You really find out your real friends.

So I'm actually thankful all that bad shit happened to me.

I lost a ton of money, whatever, because I found out my true friends.

And now that I'm on the come up again, I'm going to be with them.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

It's almost, it's crazy.

Well, I'm glad that you're okay and like moving past that because I really am a firm believer that we really do go through things for a reason.

And, you know, life, you can't really appreciate the good without experiencing the bad.

How would you ever really appreciate the good in life?

Absolutely.

Firm believer in that.

I mean, you can't just only experience good things.

Like as much as that sounds good, you won't, like you said, you won't appreciate it without some bad things as well.

Or be able to connect with other people that have been through hard things yeah that's one thing that i'm so grateful for when i think about things that i've been through in my life and in my childhood um

i feel like the times in life when i've been able to connect with other people that have gone through similar things or maybe help somebody um it's a lot easier to be there for someone when you can actually relate

you know and and you know what maybe something like that feels like it's a lot easier to be there for somebody yeah i saw you on brian Goldstein's podcast.

That's a friend of mine talking about your rough childhood, actually, which is crazy because you don't realize how much trauma you have until later.

And my parents got divorced.

I just thought that was normal, honestly, not having a dad growing up, father figure.

But it's important to go back and, you know, address those traumas rather than ignore it because it really compiles up.

100%.

How old are you, by the way?

I'm 26.

Oh, we're the same age.

Oh, nice.

Okay.

I'm an Aquarius.

Oh, nice.

I'm a cancer.

Oh, my fiancé is a cancer.

Aww.

Yeah, so we get along for sure.

Awesome.

Yeah, Aquariuses are incredible.

I love them.

Good.

I'm big into that stuff.

I know it's crazy me saying this now because I was so skeptical growing up.

Really?

Of zodiac signs, of horoscopes, of numerology, all that stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think there's something there to it because I think it's interesting, like where we were and where the planets were.

You know,

what's the word I'm looking for?

Not accordance, but like when when we were born, where they were.

But obviously God is number one.

I think if there's a mix between the two, I think as long as you keep God number one in me personally,

I think that looking into all those things are super fun.

And I think there has to be some truth to it because I'm such a cancer.

Like I'm so emotional and deep and like.

sappy and yeah i mean it's not a coincidence at this point i'll be at random dinners and i'll just read people's zodiac signs or whatever online and they'll be like, that's so accurate.

And it's happened like 20, 30 times.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Literally random people I've never met before.

Oh, wow.

So I feel like it's not a coincidence at this point.

No, I'm with you.

Yeah.

And it's actually getting in touch with my spiritual side has helped a lot with my mental health too.

I used to have terrible anxiety, even depression.

I saw you dealt with similar things.

Has that helped you in your journey as well?

I think I've had ups and downs with it.

I think, honestly, recently I've been going through a really, really, really difficult time.

But I'm starting to kind of come out of it and

pull myself back up again.

I think, you know, like I said, life has highs and lows.

And I think

this year feels good for me.

But...

Yeah, I think a big thing for me as well, which I've never, ever, ever talked about is

smoking

really was something that since I was younger,

I started doing, I think, to escape from how I was feeling and some of my emotions.

And I think I started at like 13 or 14 years old.

Yeah.

And

never really was a big drinker, but always was just kind of a stoner at heart.

Yeah.

But I think smoking anything at the end of the day is toxic to your body.

I mean, it's going to constrict your blood vessels.

It's putting soot into your lungs.

It's just not good for you.

And

also

I noticed.

So I had stopped smoking weed for good.

And I stopped for like a year, year and a half.

And I felt way better, more clear.

And then I kind of just got back into it.

And

recently I actually quit again

like two weeks ago.

Nice.

Yeah.

So because I was having a talk with my stepmom, we're really close.

And we were just talking about weed.

And she's like, no, I'm not like, cause I'm very open with my family, very, very open.

And she was just like, I just remember you telling me that when you stopped, you just felt so much more like clear-minded and happy and like less.

like your mood felt more stable.

And I had forgotten that I said that.

I was like, yeah, I did say that and i think when i started again i kind of was like oh i'm just gonna do this for a little and then i can always like stop but i had that conversation with myself recently i was like abby you got to get back on your again and start putting your health first and you know it's a commitment you know i'll agree and i know we'll probably get some hate for this because a lot of people smoke weed but for me it caused more anxiety to be honest like i didn't even know what anxiety was but i used to smoke a lot in high school and just have anxiety attacks i just thought it was being high but it would literally be like a panic attack and it was because of weed.

Yeah.

And I think just everybody's brain is different also.

You know, it affects people differently.

And I think at the end of the day, also weed is not how it was years ago.

Right.

It's way stronger now.

Oh my God.

So it's like, that's what also started happening to me was I was like, dude, this is not even what I eat.

This is not when I was like 15 smoking weed, like some little like

weed, like a little, no.

And then you'd just be like happy watching T.

Like, I just feel like it was not near as strong.

Now it's like you take one hit of something and you're like, you're stoned.

It's gone.

And it's like, that's not cool.

No, it's really like 40% THC now.

I remember I took a hit of medical weed once when I was in Jersey.

I ended up in the hospital.

I mean, it's like way too strong now.

Yeah, I think that's something that, you know, I think weed recreationally, obviously alcohol is legal.

It's not like the worst thing in the world.

If I had a choice between getting plastered or getting stoned, I'd probably choose getting stoned.

But everything in moderation, you know, I think if you make that a daily part of your life or a huge component, that's not good.

It's not good because you wake up the next morning and you feel a little groggy as well.

Oh, definitely.

I noticed that big time.

Yeah.

Big time.

Wow.

I didn't know we talked so much about weed.

That's funny looking back.

I used to be a huge stoner, like massive, like three to five times a day.

Oh,

yeah.

It was bad.

I mean, there's nothing to do in cold Jersey.

I feel that.

I feel that.

I was more of like every night type of thing.

Damn.

Yeah.

I'm not saying I've never smoked during the day, but mostly it would be kind of like my wind down thing at night.

Yeah.

You know, but

another thing that I kind of like,

I worked with this brain doctor, Dr.

Amon, and I learned so, so, so much from him.

And

he did a study with, I think it was, don't quote me on this, but something like 1,200 marijuana users' brains in correlation with Alzheimer's.

Wow.

And

yeah,

My grandfather passed away from Alzheimer's probably like,

it wasn't that long ago.

Definitely,

I don't want to spitball, but maybe like a couple months ago, four months ago, five months ago.

And it's just kind of like, even if there's a chance that I'm predisposed to that, it's kind of like, why would I do things all the time that it's like going to make that chance worse?

Right.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's scary.

I didn't know there was a correlation between and Alzheimer's.

Yeah, there is.

And I mean, think about it.

If it's anything, anything that's damaging your brain or anything that's constricting your blood vessels is going to do that.

So I think, like, you know, the stoners out there, I'm not trying to say like you're going to die, but just keep in mind that everything in moderation I think is good.

It's good to know.

I actually have the Alzheimer's gene.

I took a 23andMe test.

So that's, that's good to know.

Thank you.

What else did you learn on that brain scan?

I learned that

it was really emotional for me because I think like in my childhood I had a lot of

really

just hectic family issues,

unfortunately, and went through a lot of

traumatic events growing up.

My life was not good.

I felt unsafe pretty much my whole childhood.

And so he taught me that like during those years, your brain is developing.

And so I wondered why I felt the way I did.

And so when I saw my brain scan, it actually showed all the trauma in my brain.

And so I had this thing called the diamond pattern, which kind of like the anxiety portion, the worry, like

emotional brain, it was all lit up way more than it should be.

So it kind of made sense as to why like sometimes my emotions or sometimes my anxiety or my worry, like I struggled a lot with negative thoughts or like

being in a car was like hard for me.

I would just constantly think like,

you're going to wreck and die.

I would envision horrible things happening.

And I would be like, why?

Like, why can't I just be normal?

And so it took me just really

putting my health first and also like retraining my brain of like

pushing those thoughts out and understanding that like, okay, is this true?

Or is this just my brain doing this?

It's just my brain.

So, um, but I think it was very validating, but also I'm committed to just undoing those things.

I think that anything, what he taught me is that anything in your brain that has gone wrong or is unhealthy, you can fix as long as you treat your brain right and, you know, do some.

I know hyperbaric oxygen therapy is really, really good.

Nice.

Making sure you're getting your omegas is extremely, extremely important because that's like the food for your brain.

Fish oils.

Yes, your EPA and DHAs.

And then lion's lion's mane is also extremely important for your brain.

It's really, yes, it's proven in studies to connect neurological pathways, like rebuild them.

So it can't, you know, I'm not sure.

I don't want to quote this, but it can't cure Alzheimer's, let's say, for an example.

But let's say you're starting to kind of have memory issues.

If you start taking lion's mane, like it will definitely halt the process.

Or if you have brain fog or like anything neurological, it's proven

to help.

So I think that's really important to take.

That's great to know.

Now I want to get a brain scan.

I'm curious what my results would be.

It sounds like it was really valuable to learn that about your brain.

It was so valuable, very healing.

And then I also learned about this thing called CPTSD.

And so I have that.

And

that was kind of interesting to learn, but also very validating.

You know, I guess to feel like, okay, those things did happen and

it's nothing wrong with me.

It was something that kind of happened to me.

And so that made me feel like, okay, well, I'm in control of my life now.

So I can do the things to undo those patterns.

And so I'm committed to that.

I had a little lull with the little moment, but

back on track.

Getting back on track.

Love it, Abby.

It's been a pleasure.

Anything you want to close off with?

No, that's pretty much it.

I had a great conversation with you.

It was very nice meeting you.

Appreciate it.

That was a very valuable conversation.

Thanks so much for coming.

Thank you for having me.

Yeah.

Thanks for watching, guys, as always, and I'll see you tomorrow.