Damage of Sugar, Americans Having Pre Diabetes & Rich Lives Longer Than Poor I Calley Means DSH #404

and we have a dirty tank.

We're not going to drug our way out of this problem where today 30% of teens have pre-diabetes.

Jeez.

25% of teens have fatty liver disease.

40% of high school seniors qualify as having a mental health disorder.

There's something happening.

Everything is going up all at once.

Every chronic condition, autism, autoimmune conditions, everything.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to expose big pharma and big food today, aren't we?

We got Callie Means here today.

How's it going, man?

Oh, so good.

So pumped to be here.

Yeah.

So this latest stuff with Ozempic, man, is getting crazy.

How do you feel about it?

You know, a lot of our friends are taking Ozempic.

A lot of people in LA and Vegas.

I'm not really concerned whether somebody wants to pay out of pocket, you know, and test this drug.

What I'm most concerned about is they are trying to push this on kids.

The stock right now, the company Novonordics, is the most valuable company in Europe.

It passed Louis Vuitton, LVMH, as the most valuable company in Europe.

Now, it's not being prescribed for obesity in Europe.

The entire profit projections, 90%, is expected profit coming from the United States.

And that's because they've hired an army of lobbyists.

I used to be a lobbyist for the pharma industry.

They've hired a army of lobbyists to make this the preferred and urgent and first-line medication for any American that is obese or overweight.

That is 50% of teens and 80% of adults.

The moment that's approved, the moment that lobbying is successful and obesity is classified, which they're trying to do as not something we can control by eating.

or exercise as something that's just genetic.

And that sounds ridiculous, but they are paying doctors at Harvard, and this is on 60 Minutes, this is in medical reports, they are saying obesity is not controlled by what we eat.

You can't even make this up.

They're saying that it is controlled by genetic factors and it is a, quote, brain disease.

Wow.

They are arguing and lobbying aggressively in Congress to make this a disease, and then it's open season to prescribe this thing to 50% of teens and 80% of Americans.

And the problem with that, that's a couple, but the big problem and the real war I'm on is that why are people getting obese?

Why are that many people obese?

It's not an ozimpic deficiency.

We've got a dirty tank, and if you have a dirty tank, you don't drug the fish.

We're drugging the fish, and it's not working.

We are rampantly to kids prescribing SSRIs, they're giving away like candy now in schools.

Antidepressants, right?

And not even saying whether that's good or bad.

25% of women in the United States being on an SSRI.

That's a big societal dynamic.

Birth control?

No, SSRI antidepressants.

So SSRIs are the top, the most prescribed drug in the country.

Wow.

It's 20%

of high school senior girls, 25% of...

These are omnipresent.

When you talk to any parent in high school, they're giving these things away.

20% of high school seniors are on Adderall.

Methamphetamine, one molecule away from crystal meth,

a drug that basically was invented by literally the Nazis to make German soldiers more efficient, now given to kids.

Literally methamphetamines.

You've got statins, you've got metformin.

You have these drugs for heart disease, for diabetes, for high blood pressure being given away like crazy to kids.

It's not making anything better.

So adding on Ozimpic,

adding on this as the standard care, injecting a lifetime drug, this is a lifetime drug,

putting that in the arms of 50% of U.S.

teens, 80% of U.S.

adults, which is what the effort is, and why the company is so valuable based on those expectations.

That gets us further away from realizing we have a dirty tank.

We're not going to drug our way out of this problem where today 30% of teens have pre-diabetes.

Jeez.

25% of teens have fatty liver disease.

40% of high school seniors qualify as having a mental health disorder.

There's something happening.

Everything is going up all at once.

Every chronic condition, autism, autoimmune conditions, everything.

And until we understand what is happening, and I believe the answers are very simple, until we stop lunching for drugs,

just siloing diseases one by one, we're going to be in a big problem.

I believe, Sean, it's the most important issue we face in America, seeing seeing behind the curtain at these companies because we have a problem where the largest industry in the country the healthcare industry which is the largest highest employed industry in the country and the fastest growing industry in the country it grows while people it grows by people getting sick that the industry shrinks when a child learns how to eat healthy and exercise and it grows when a child is overweight and given ozimpic and given a statin for high cholesterol and metformin for prediabetes and goes on the treadmill inevitably they're going to be infertile depressed all the things.

That's what's happening.

And my message is that the root cause is very, very simple.

It's that our food is poisoned.

We're becoming more sedentary.

It's basic metabolic habits.

And you actually can incentivize those things.

Doctors can recommend those things.

So that's what I'm trying to unwind here.

And a big part of your philosophy of what's causing all this is sugar, right?

100%.

I used to work for

the food industry and the pharma pharma industry.

Those are my two clients.

And that was very surprising to me.

So I got into D.C.,

did campaigns, you know, was trying to fight the good fight.

And I was shocked to learn when the campaigns were over, whether you're on the right or the left, you're inevitably sitting across the table after the campaign ends consulting for the pharmaceutical industry.

I was working for John McCain back in the day in 2008.

I was with my counterparts in the Obama campaign right after the campaign.

The healthcare industry spends five times more than the oil industry on lobbying public affairs work.

What was surprising to me is I'm working for the pharma companies to get all these drugs prescribed and all these drugs funded.

These drugs that 90% of the profits, 90% of the revenue comes from chronic conditions, from basic lifestyle dietary-related conditions, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, which is extremely related to food, on down.

So that's part one of the day.

Part two of the day is meeting with food companies.

And the objective of food companies is to sell addictive food.

That's it.

And it's particularly to get kids addicted to food.

So I was working with food companies like Coca-Cola to lobby the FTC to make sure that sugar companies could advertise to two-year-olds on TV, on Disney Channel, on Nickelodeon, things like that.

I was working with them to get government funding for sugar.

So I've talked a lot about how actually Coke has rigged the system that food stamps, which the lowest income Americans depend on for food, 10% of all food stamp funding goes directly to sugary drink companies.

There's a 10 trillion, excuse me, me, a $10 billion transfer from the government treasury to Coca-Cola

every single year.

Okay.

That's crazy.

And so

kind of understandably, food companies are trying to get subsidies for their products, trying to get approval for their products.

I was shocked working at a PR company essentially to see lists of Harvard doctors that we paid money to to get studies saying sugar doesn't cause obesity.

Those studies are then fueled and given to regulators and politicians to influence the guidelines.

And today,

as we sit today in America, the USDA, which sets the dietary guidelines for Americans,

says that 10% of a two-year-old's diet can be added sugar, added sugar, which is an addictive drug.

So

that's how it works on the food sides.

The devil's bargain that I put together in retrospect is why isn't the healthcare companies?

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When nine you know 85 to 90% of all of our health care problems, all of our costs, all of our deaths, nine of the top 10 leading causes of death, when they're all obviously manifestly tied to food, I mean, if you cut sugar from the American diet, you would plummet diabetes and heart disease by 80 to 90% tomorrow.

You can do this tomorrow.

It is a metabolic disease.

These are metabolic conditions.

These are foodborne illnesses.

Even with

we had multiples higher death counts and death rates than many other uh developed countries many other developing countries because of our poor metabolic health if you were metabolically healthy meaning you have stable blood sugar stable cholesterol not overweight you didn't die of i didn't even feel it when i got it you didn't die you even if you were old yeah you look at the stats now it's almost 100 percent of deaths that they can trace to

and that data is all problematic to begin with but but it's almost 100 percent had signs of metabolic dysfunction were overweight had high cholesterol, had high blood sugar,

these indicators that are tied to foods.

So the devil's bargain is why isn't the healthcare industry talking about this?

Why, not even are they silent, why when I was working for Coke, did the American Diabetes Association accept money from Coke?

Why did the American Academy of Pediatrics get money from Coke?

These medical groups are actually accepting money from processed food companies.

Every hospital in America you walk into has a soda machine.

There's actually sponsorships and connections between hospitals and medical groups and foods.

So not only are they not, the American Diabetes Association, when diabetes has gone up eight times in a generation, isn't saying we should stop drinking liquid sugar, diabetes water.

They're actually taking money from Coke and recommending small cans of Coke as a good move for diabetics.

So

this is the problem, that we are getting sick for simple reasons.

And we have a medical system that is not only silent, it's actually encouraging us not not to really realize the centrality of our poisoned food system to why we're getting sick.

Because every single institution that touches our health, from a pharmaceutical company to a medical school to a hospital to an insurance company, they make money when we're sicker for longer periods of time and they lose money when we're healthy.

So there's just a massive misalignment.

I say don't look at what they say.

Look at what the outcomes are.

The problem with our healthcare system right now is that it gives a lot of, frankly, good people plausible deniability.

That, you know, I think there are some very evil people, quite frankly, but the vast majority of people that work at medical schools, that are doctors, that are nurses, that work at hospitals, that even research for pharma companies, they're not bad people.

They all have plausible deniability.

Not one person, not one person in the entire ecosystem is incentivized to ask why people are getting sick.

Every single person, right, their job is to create products and services for more and more people getting sick.

I was talking to an obesity doctor at Harvard off the record.

And, you know, I've been on this tear on Ozempic.

You know, again, my main issue is we can't fund this as the first line of defense as a government for obesity without fixing our food system.

Every marginal dollar we do and commit to combat obesity should start with the food.

It doesn't make any sense to poison ourselves and then drug ourselves.

We should just stop poisoning ourselves.

That's my point.

I've had a lot of actual doctors reach out to me, a prominent doctor from Harvard, and she said, Callie, if I could snap my fingers tomorrow and cure childhood

diabetes and obesity, I would.

I got in this.

I became a doctor.

There's easier ways to make money.

I didn't become an obesity doctor to see a bunch of kids sick.

But the fact is, we just built a new obesity center.

It costs $100 million, like huge new complexes.

She has a team.

She just hired 20 new doctors.

She's like, if we don't have increased rates of children coming in here that are obese, I'll have to lay over those people and we'll default on our loan for the new center.

Wow.

That's the dynamic every doctor faces faces where they basically just throw up their hands on asking why all these

children with cardiac heart issues, with diabetes, with obesity, why everything,

they throw up their hands on that and they treat them for life.

Again, this Ozimpic, it's a lifetime injection.

You can never go off it.

Statins, you can never go off of it.

Metformin, you can never, there are all these lifetime managed conditions.

So that's the problem

is that nobody's asking and nobody's incentivized to ask why we're getting sick.

And until we attack that incentive, nothing else matters.

So how did the food system get this bad to begin with?

Yeah, so it actually started with relatively good intentions.

So

there's a big misnomer, I think, around life expectancy.

Okay, Peter Tia wrote this book, and if you actually control for infectious diseases, life expectancy hasn't increased in the past hundred years.

So we did attack life expectancy

and extend life by things like antibiotics, potentially some vaccines, things like that, things that were generally created around World War II.

But

post, so I just want to make that point clear.

We actually were relatively vibrant and healthy, except for imminent things that would kill us right away, like infection.

So it wasn't like this disaster that we always think about 50 to 100 years ago.

We actually did have a whole food, relatively good diet, and our immune systems were pretty strong.

What happened was our diet after World War II went from almost 0% ultra-processed food to today 70%.

It's that simple.

And after World War II, the good intentions came through where we made food shelf stable because we had to feed the world.

Europe was devastated.

We needed to ship food overseas.

So we made food shelf stable, ultra-processed food.

And we had a dynamic where there's three ingredients that became staples of our diet.

So the three ingredients of ultra-processed food, if you look at any label, are added sugar.

And we all talk about sugar, but I don't think we quite understand.

Sugar consumption has gone up 100 times in the past 100 years.

If a child's drinking one can

or a 20 ounce bottle of Coke, they are ingesting as much sugar as they did 100 years ago.

An entire year.

An entire year.

So sugar consumption,

we were able to sneak that into ultra-processed food.

The second thing, the reason it's shelf-stable is refined grains.

So refined grains are essentially an invention of the past 60 years.

And the refining is taking the fiber off.

So you have a whole grain, it does rot, actually.

The fiber has a lot of the nutrition value.

It blunts the glucose impact.

The reason everything's able to stay on the shelf for years is because we take that fiber, that part with all the nutrition off, and it's basically just hidden sugar.

So you look at any processed food, any food on the shelf, you'll see some kind of refined wheat.

That is a new invention, and it's a staple of our diet now.

It's in everything we're eating.

And that's basically no nutrition and basically just going straight to our bloodstream and converting into sugar.

And the third is seed oils.

So seed oils were an invention by John D.

Rockefeller as an industrial byproduct to oil.

It literally was used as oil, as engine lubricant in the 1920s, 1930s.

And John D.

Rockefeller and his acolytes actually determined that they could lobby the government because it's so cheap and actually put it into food.

And now our top source of calories as Americans, if you isolate all the ingredients, the top way we get calories is soybean oil.

You look at,

people that don't even know the term, you look at any food you're eating, it most likely has soybean oil.

Seriously.

And we subsidize that heavily.

So we've taken

this goal to make ultra-processed food, and now that's close to 70% of our diet.

So I think it's actually very simple.

Ultra-processed food is very addictive.

You're able to basically engineer it.

Thousands of scientists from the tobacco industry have actually moved to food in the past 30 years to make our food highly addictive.

You're able to engineer it.

So it's addictive, and then ultra-processed food is much more profitable than just selling broccoli or just good meat.

So it's profitable and it's addictive, and we're just quite simply eating food that we're not biologically evolutionary made to eat.

That's the basis of our diet.

It's just that simple.

In Japan, ultra-processed food consumption is 25% of their diet.

They live seven years longer.

Wow.

That's actually a lot.

That's like 10%.

Here, it's close to 70% of our diet, and we're off the charts on almost every chronic conditions.

And for the most sustained period since 1860, life expectancy is actually going down.

It's actually well before

is declining in America right now.

So, at the rate we're going, we must be one of the sickest countries in the world right now.

I mean, I think the biggest warning flag we possibly have is that our bodies are giving up their evolutionary functions.

Male sperm count is plummeting, you know, more than 50% in the past generation.

I don't know if you've talked to other people about this, but it, but it is, you know, we throw around that statistic, like

it's astounding.

A

70-year-old 40 years ago had a higher sperm count than a 21-year-old today.

You know, you kind of joke about, there's the Alex Jones clip about the water making the frogs, you know, transgenders.

It's actually

the type of chemicals and the type of hormone disrupting things in our food and in our water that is banned in every other country is astounding.

It's astounding.

Our chemicals are being disrupted.

You actually have

seven-year-old girls growing breasts now at an alarming rate.

The New York Times recently wrote a front-page article saying puberty is happening earlier and earlier, specifically in America.

And then the next part of the headline was, nobody knows why.

It's like, we know why.

We have endocrine-disrupting chemicals all over our food.

So I think there's no bigger warning sign than that.

And then you look at women, you know, the big problems with male sperm count, PCOS, which is the leading cause of infertility.

I don't know know if any of your friends, you talk to a lot of women right now who are in childbearing age.

PCOS is rampant.

It's gone up multiples in the past 20 years.

About 25% of women are diagnosed with PCOS, which is a leading cause of infertility.

Miscarriages, gestational diabetes, a lot of complications with...

fertility are just skyrocketing right now.

So our bodies literally, our core evolutionary function, we're less and less able to do.

So I don't know what else could be a bigger warning sign.

This is scary, man, for real.

People in their 20s are infertile.

100%.

100%.

Our bodies are giving up and rebelling against literal procreation.

If you look at any stats on male and female infertility, it's a huge issue.

But again, the medical system, right?

You go to a fertility doctor.

It's like this rite of passage right now.

It's like this modern, amazing thing for a woman to cut open her body and store her eggs or to do this IVF procedures and that's what the system thrusts you in.

I'm not saying IVF is bad.

If you're having trouble conceiving, I think it is a miracle for those people.

But I think the fact that we have a rampant increase in infertility and that if a woman goes to a Harvard educated or Stanford educated where I went, doctors and I know many of them.

and she asks, why am I infertile, they will push her straight to an intervention.

They will push her straight to a surgical intervention.

They will not tell her that PCOS literally is an earlier stage of diabetes.

PCOS isn't related to diabetes.

PCOS is insulin resistance.

It literally is blood sugar dysregulation based on what we're eating.

That's literally what it is.

That's crazy.

And no doctor will say that to a woman.

They will tell her that it's this modern miracle that she can get

her stomach cut open and have artificial birth.

So that's another example of how

I don't think OBG-WANs are bad people.

I think they got in for the right reasons, but they are out of a job if IVF procedures, if fertility procedures don't skyrocket.

They're not telling that woman that actually not only can she probably reverse that problem

by food and metabolic habits, stop eating poison, move a little bit more,

that probably will extend her lifespan on other issues.

My mom had gestational diabetes.

I was born at 12 pounds,

which was a high fives for my mom.

Me being born at a high birth weight actually was a sign my mom had metabolic dysfunction.

It was a sign of her pre-diabetes.

Oh, wow.

No mention of that.

And she goes year after year after year and has health problem after health problem after health problem that everyone has.

Oh, a statin, 50% of people your age have this take it for high blood, high cholesterol, going along the treadmill.

She ends up getting cancer and passes away.

And the cancer doctor says that's unlucky.

I'm so sorry.

It's not unlucky.

These people getting cancer and getting life-threatening conditions, there's so many warning signs, starting probably with the infertility.

So, so the fact that we're not raising those warning signs, the fact that we're not telling women who, or and men who are seeing fertility issues and decreased burn count, that not only is this going to hurt your ability to procreate, but this is actually a warning sign of that you're going to have more problems probably in life, that you're at much higher risk for depression, that you're probably going to die earlier statistically, unless you get your core habits in line.

And there's a, if doctors had those conversations with America, I don't think Americans are trying to be epidemically fat and infertile and depressed.

I don't, I just, I don't think patients are trying to kill themselves.

That's what we're being led to believe.

Yeah.

I think if we had a medical system that explained the truth, that didn't recommend poison to people as it does right now, that

actually had

food and changing our food system as the first line of defense, I think we could change things very quickly.

I think we could.

I just think the cards right now are stacked against us.

100%.

Because like you mentioned earlier, even people at Harvard, they're compromised with their studies.

You don't even know which studies are accurate.

You know what I mean?

100%.

Again,

it was a real wake-up call to me.

And I think this is, we fall for it again and again.

We see a study and we say, oh, it's a peer-reviewed study from Harvard.

I think we have a problem where

a document from an elite university, there's just no higher respect we give to something.

A document.

from Harvard, particularly nutrition study, has no greater weight than a public relations document printed out by a food company.

The food industry tree funds nutrition research 11 times more than the NIH.

The food industry is the bedrock of all nutrition research.

There was 50,000 nutrition studies peer-reviewed, produced in the last two years.

I believe that if you press a button and eliminate all nutrition researchers and all nutrition studies,

they're just not that field anymore.

We'd be much healthier.

The only difference between us and every other animal in the wild is that we have experts telling us what to eat, and humans are the only animals that are systematically fat, that are systematically diabetic.

Humans and animals we've domesticated, you actually have dogs, right?

60% of them qualify as obese, and they do studies on dog mental health.

More than 50% of dogs experience depression, are depressed.

You don't have depressed, fat wolves in the wild.

If an animal is in its natural state, it knows how to move.

It has a pre

dereliction to natural food.

It's in the sun.

But if you put an animal in a windowless box, sedentary, force-feeding them ultra-processed food and subjecting them to chronic stress at all hours, which is basically what we do to kids right now.

Yeah.

They're going to go crazy.

It's not complicated.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Speaking of kids, the school lunches I ate growing growing up were just looking back, it was horrendous.

A big thing, a big initiative at Coke and working for the food companies was round kids.

And again, look at what the results are, not what they say.

With Coca-Cola and with food companies, an explicit goal was to get kids addicted to ultra-processed food early.

There's nothing more profitable in the world, in this country, than a child who is addicted and sick.

Because those habits are gonna, and those trends are gonna carry on for the rest of their lives.

And they're not gonna probably die right away, but there's interventions that will continually have to take place

to

heal or attempt to heal that child.

But it's not healing, it's managing.

So with Coke, a huge, huge initiative, was normalizing ultra-processed food in schools.

There's a top priority of Coca-Cola to have a vending machine in every single school in America.

So over 90%

of

schools have a full sugar soda machine to this day.

You had a lawmaker recently,

last name Shmides, in New Mexico, who put a bill for to ban sugary drink vending machines in New Mexico schools.

It had no chance of passage.

Coca-Cola executives flew in a private jet the next day, went to members of the New Mexico legislature, threw money at them and killed the bill.

If they're literally in any state, federally, even locally, if there's even a whiff of taking Coke out of schools, Coke carpet bombs literally a private plane of executives who go and throw around money and make sure that Coke stays in those schools.

Wow.

There was recently a Wall Street Journal article saying that Lunchable sees their, and Kraft sees at their next great

foray, their big growth trajectory a $20 billion opportunity in schools you won't believe this but lunchables was just classified as a fruit a fruit it is classified as a fruit because there's one rotten slice of apple in the in the lunchables for schools it's classified as a fruit and it qualifies for federal school lunch subsidies, which is one of the largest sources of funding for childhood nutrition.

So

you actually have, when you add it all up, we as a country spend over $100 billion

per year

of government money paying for sugary food to give to kids.

That includes food stamps, as I mentioned, 10%, 10 billion plus goes to soda, but 70% of all food stamps are for altered processed food.

No other country does that.

No other country has their low-income nutrition program subsidize food that's going to make people sick, that's going to make them depressed, and going to cost our healthcare system trillions of dollars downstream.

That's

policy.

But we have a rig system that does that.

So we fund through food stamps, through agriculture subsidies, through federal school lunch programs.

We're writing the check almost guaranteeing that these kids are going to live a suboptimal life.

I didn't even until a couple years ago really wrap my head around what diabetes is.

Diabetes is cells malfunctioning.

Like diabetes is cellular dysregulation.

You know, 20% of your energy is produced in your brain.

If you're pre-diabetic or diabetic, you have a three times higher chance of having a mental health problem because your literal brain, your brain is not getting the correct amount of energy.

Somebody with diabetes has a 99% chance of having at least one other comorbidity, at least one other problem like heart disease or something like that.

It literally means your cells are malfunctioning.

Diabetes is not a is not a finite disease.

It's the underpinnings.

You know, our cells not performing correctly because of food is the underpinning of a lot of other conditions.

And again,

30% of teens have it.

66% of adults have pre-diabetes.

I mean, you know, we're just kind of, we're writing the check.

And this is, again, the devil's barking.

We are funding our destruction with a broken food system.

And then we have a medical system that's complicit.

basically profiting from this and not speaking out.

I know we're being a little bit depressing,

but what gives me hope, honestly, is that you're talking about it.

Everyone from Joe Rogan on down is talking about it.

Tucker is talking about it.

Independent media is talking about it.

Barry Weiss, people on the left and the right who get out of this echo chamber where the bills are paid by the powers that be are talking about this because it's the most important issue people face.

The fact that kids are getting sick and we're all, you know, our parents and

everyone around us is getting a little bit sicker, not at their best.

That's a huge issue.

And this thing can change so quickly.

Like, I'm actually hardened, you know, know, when you look at the polls, whatever you think of them.

Trump and RFK are getting over 70% of the vote in a three-way race.

Biden's getting 28%.

Now, let's not get in, not even getting into the strengths and weaknesses of these candidates.

The American people in a three-way race are going more than 70% to politicians that are aggressively calling out our institutions.

And, you know, obviously with RFK, but increasingly with President Trump, you're hearing very aggressive denunciations of the health care system and what's happening to kids.

Trump's actually made a couple speeches about this.

So you have the American people, I think, on the national level waking up and saying we need some serious changes.

And if the president and the head of the NIH and the heads of medical schools tomorrow said that we need to start shifting medical dollars away from sick care and towards incentivizing a better food system so our kids aren't being poisoned,

I think things would change quickly.

If the USDA said, instead of recommending sugar, said, you know what, parents, we should stop as Americans giving our kids sugar.

No bans.

I don't support any bans.

But if medical leaders say to do something, we do it.

When they said to stop smoking with the Surgeon General's report, smoking rates plummeted.

For better or worse, when Dr.

Fauci told us to get the vaccine, 90% of Americans got one.

We actually listened to medical leaders, and if we had leadership on this issue, which I think we need from the kind of federal level,

from politicians and regulators who aren't in the pocket of these industries.

If they can lead this effort, we will see societal change.

Yeah, I'm excited about it.

I can't wait for the next election, actually.

I haven't said that about any election.

I mean, we're entering 2024.

I'm worried and optimistic.

How are you feeling?

I'm good with Trump RFK, honestly.

If one of those two win it, I'm happy.

I hope it's a peaceful year.

Yeah.

Oh, gosh.

We'll see.

Now, I have a crazy fact here that you sent me.

So the richest American men live 15 years longer than the poorest American men.

I get very, I'm just frankly angry at this point when I see social justice

kind of language used to basically sell and keep kids eating bad food.

I mean, I saw that with Koch, who paid the NAACP,

you know, a civil rights group that's done a lot of good work throughout American history, but now is a pay-for-play organization.

So Coca-Cola paid the NAACP to say that anyone who wanted to stop federal funding for Coca-Cola was racist, that you were taking away choice from lower-income kids.

The biggest social justice issue in this country is nutrition.

The reason

for that stat, the reason a lower-income man dies close to 15 years younger than an upper, which is just hard to wrap your head around,

the chief reason, the primary reason is that they are feeding their body toxic.

things and it's other simple metabolic habits.

You know, obviously lower income people probably have higher rates of chronic stress, you know, worse sleep, potentially more sedentary, but it's all a loop.

So food is primary, but if you could just attack and incentivize better metabolic habits, you know, instead of

getting these folks on Medicaid and a lower-income person on Medicaid who's diabetic by age 25 is going to cost the U.S.

taxpayer over a million dollars

because they don't die.

And that it's such a great source of funds for the medical system.

The government's paying the bill.

Taxpayers Taxpayers are paying that bill.

They're not like not getting their medication.

So it's a beautiful thing for the medical system.

And there's huge efforts to get that lower-income person sick and then get the healthcare system gets those millions of dollars from the government, okay, from Medicaid.

We spend more as a country right now

from the federal treasury to manage diabetes than the federal treasury spends on all defense.

Holy crap.

The line item for diabetes management in the federal budget, when you add it up, is more than all of the Defense Department.

And that's our tax dollars.

It's our tax dollars, and it's happening, again, because we are letting and actually pushing,

often co-opting the same groups who are lecturing us about social justice

are standing by as

lower-income communities,

as communities of color, are getting decimated by metabolic conditions.

The best social justice thing we could do, the best thing we could do for every American, but particularly lower-income Americans, is give, like they do in Sweden, quite frankly, give everyone a card

where they can buy non-poisoned whole natural food for the city.

I'd rather fund that than fund pharma.

I don't support, you know, a lot of people say, well, you know, we don't like these programs.

We don't like, I'm a libertarian.

I'm a, I'm a, you know, grew up as a conservative.

I don't like a nanny state.

I don't like big government, a heavy hand.

But we have a corrupt, broken market right now.

Right now, we're standing by and letting these industries basically completely co-opt our system.

What we have right now in healthcare is worse than socialized healthcare.

We have a kleptocracy.

We have a corporate kleptocracy where our systems are totally owned by industry

and

fueling the fastest growing and largest industry in the country, healthcare, while we're all getting sick and getting worse outcomes.

That's what we have right now because we're ignoring food.

The best thing for our budget, the best thing for American competitives we could do is take the $4 trillion we spend on healthcare and ask a simple question, how can we actually keep people healthy?

Right now, it's how do we manage people that are sick?

95% of that $4 trillion go to managing conditions after people are sick, not curing them.

If we could simply reverse that, And simply, and it's not just preventative healthcare, food and exercise and actually incentivizing these things is actually the best way to reverse things.

Right?

If somebody has heart disease or diabetes or even Alzheimer's, there's landmark studies now that Alzheimer's is being reversed through food interventions.

Really?

Yes, Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes.

It's skyrocketing.

Wow.

And it's because of metabolic dysfunction, it's because of high blood sugar, it's because of this dysregulation in our cells.

You can actually reverse Alzheimer's, kidney disease, a lot of these conditions.

So if we could simply do that, if we could simply ask

what I think most Americans would say is obvious, obvious, but how do we actually steer that money to reversing, to preventing conditions, not just managing people who already have conditions,

you know, a lot of good can happen.

But getting access to that money being put in the right ways will be very difficult because these big food and big pharma are funding it, right?

Yeah, I think there's this trend.

You know, you see with Elon

kind of saying,

go f ⁇ yourself.

I think we need more of that attitude from our leaders.

I think we need more, quite frankly, that attitude of like, I'm not going to be bribed from doing the wrong thing.

I think that that courage can get into

elected leaders, particularly on the presidential level.

The president's the only politician in America that's responsible and accountable to every single person.

I've been working a lot with members of Congress who are good people, but are super tied to their individual interests and susceptible to.

frankly, corruption of this industry.

But if you had a president with a go f ⁇ yourself attitude, if you had, frankly, some leaders at some of these healthcare companies that said, I'm not going to continue profiting and pushing Ozimpic on six-year-olds, which is what's happening right now.

They're about to approve it for six-year-olds.

That's just wrong.

I'm going to speak out and actually put the mantle down that we have to change the incentives of healthcare to actually get people healthier.

And that's got to involve reforming our food system.

And that might cost our profits in the short term.

You just need people

with bigger moral courage.

But yeah, I mean, that could be the president.

That could be the dean of a medical school speaking, like we're speaking clearly about this, who's saying, I don't care if I'm going to reduce my research funding from pharma, which is 50% of most med schools' budget.

Yeah.

You need courage.

We have a lack of moral courage.

We have a moral crisis in the healthcare industry right now.

And I hope podcasts like this can help inspire people to get out of their shells a little bit.

Well, I think what gives me hope,

as I said, whether it's a comedy podcast like Rogan and many others, whether it's

any topic, we're all gravitating.

Anytime you have independent media, anytime you have microphones that aren't paid for by pharma companies, which is all mainstream media

microphones,

you get to this topic and you start unpacking this topic.

Sorry.

You're good.

It's

Can you just throw me that water?

Sorry, guys.

No, you're good.

All right, just take one step.

Anytime you don't have microphones corrupted by and paid for by Pharma, you get to this topic.

The best-selling books in the country right now are on this topic, are on metabolic health, are on, you know, Peter Dia had the best-selling book of the year that touches on this topic.

So, and then, and then I think millions of people are wearing biowearables.

They're actually subverting the doctor's office and getting control of their own data.

So, I do think people are waking up.

Yeah.

Is it true the U.S.

and New Zealand are the only two countries where big pharma is allowed to advertise?

This is the key point about pharmaceutical advertising.

It's not to influence you, these goofy ads.

It's to influence the news itself.

Working for Pharma, I saw this.

We paid for ads, so we had a line into the news producers.

Oh,

this is the key point.

By paying the bills, and let's be clear, 50%

of TV news ad spending is pharmaceutical.

Wow.

50%.

That's crazy.

When you have a paycheck and your microphone is paid for predominantly by one industry, think about the self-censoring you would do.

If your millions of dollars of your paycheck, your mortgage, your child's private school is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry.

That is implicit corruption, right?

You don't even need people telling you what to say.

You know, I've talked to people at NBC and CNN, friends.

I used to work in the swamp, used to work in media, have many friends there.

They said it's a non-starter.

Show me any mainstream news station aggressively covering the largest story in the world, which is that we're all getting sicker, fatter, more depressed, more infertile.

I can say that again.

Yeah, we're getting sicker, fatter, more depressed, more infertile.

And we're not covering that.

We're not covering the biggest story in the world because the bills are paid by these industries.

Wow.

This is why the independent media revolution is so disruptive.

This is why in leaked emails at the NIH between the head of the NIH and Dr.

Fauci,

Joe Rogan was literally called enemy number one.

Really?

A person who's smoking pot at a microphone, talking every day about working out, looking at the sunlight and eating healthy.

And eating bears.

That

is literally, according to Dr.

Fauci in 2020,

21, enemy number one.

Wow.

That is a disruptive message to the pharma-industrial complex.

And think about it.

We used to have a media that exposed government corruption.

Yeah.

Right now, the media is an absolute referee for anyone that dares ask a question

of our particularly pharmaceutical industries.

Look what they're doing to RFK.

They are literally demonetizing and not allowing videos

on major outlets.

It's just this simple.

When one industry is the top funder of technology companies, YouTube ads, Instagram ads, the top funder of media, media ads, the top funder of politicians, number one campaign contributor to individual politicians,

the top funder of schools.

Top fund, pharma is the top funder of research grants.

They are literally paying the bills for every single industry that has influence in our country.

Not even to mention the FDA itself.

The FDA, 75% of its budget, it doesn't come from the government, taxpayers.

It comes from Pharma.

Pharma actually pays the FDA's budget.

Wow.

So you created this system where the bills for every single institution that matters is paid by this industry that makes more money when we're sicker.

Yeah.

And their margins must be insane.

Don't they mark some of these drugs up like crazy?

Yeah, I think in 2021, Pfizer had, I think, one of the highest, if not the highest revenue of any company ever.

Crazy.

You know, you have this

ridiculousness of the drugs costing a lot to develop, but almost all that is marketing cost.

Yeah.

They factor that in.

There hasn't been, you know,

I'd ask anyone

listening to name a chronic disease drug, a drug for a chronic condition, you know, these diabetes, heart disease, cancer, et cetera.

Invit in the past 40 years

really attacked that disease.

Every single disease we're attacking is going up.

We spend worldwide in the history of statins, which is the drug for heart disease.

We've spent a trillion dollars worldwide on statins.

Heart disease rates are exploding.

As I said, SSRIs are the most prescribed drug in the country.

Depression and suicide is skyrocketing.

Every single condition we're treating and paying trillions of dollars for drugs and interventions for, it's going up.

You know, one message I'd give here, and I think because it's like, okay, so should I not listen to my doctor and everything?

You shouldn't pay your doctor much credence on chronic conditions.

If your doctor's talking to you about preventing obesity or diabetes or heart disease or cancer or kidney disease or even managing,

frankly, with a child or you,

their record on that is shameful.

And they just logically don't deserve any benefit.

You should listen to them, but they don't deserve any benefit of doubt.

The medical system is a miracle on acute issues.

If you have a gunshot wound, a burst appendix, a complicated childbirth, an infection, something that's going to kill you right away, we're great at that.

But that's 5% to 10% of all medical spending.

So if you have something that's going to kill you, go to the doctor, listen to them.

But the problem is we've taken that trust.

And really miracles, I think mostly before World War II with the invention of antibiotics and things like that, that the medical system's garnered, and they've asked us to trust them on chronic issues the reason chronic issues are so problematic is

for us it's good for the medical system is because they're recurring revenue there's no incentive for a mental health doctor to get you off of antidepressants because that means you stop coming to them there's no reason for an obesity doctor to get you off ozenbook there's no reason for a cardiologist to get you off statins yeah the second you reverse your condition fully which can only happen through food and lifestyle you're not going to see that doctor anymore yep the accessibility to these drugs is so easy i remember going going to a doctor I never met in college, telling him I had anxiety.

Within two minutes, he gave me Xanax, and I was out the door.

That's happening in schools.

I mean,

mental health professionals at schools are basically Xanax and SSRI pill mills.

Yeah, it's terrible, man.

We'll end off on this.

You recently went to Congress, right?

Yes.

What were you trying to get accomplished there?

Yeah, so

I've been dragged into this fight, you know, just talking about my insight as a lobbyist for these industries.

And it's been really rewarding to engage with members of Congress.

I will say that they are trying to change this.

I'd say these members of Congress on both sides have kids and they see something really bad happening with kids.

What I'm hearing from them is that, frankly, outside leadership is needed and presidential leadership is needed.

What they're telling me is that every single day lobbyists are coming to their office and they're throwing fake studies down.

I call them fake studies.

They're studies studies that are paid for by the food industry saying sugar doesn't cause obesity.

There's literally a study from the NIH recently that says lucky charms is healthier than beef.

I saw that.

It's just again, but it's funny until you talk to these members of Congress and they're like, the NIH is telling me this, like they just have studied it.

The reason these companies fund these studies is to throw them at members of Congress' face.

And they're threatened by the lobbyists.

They're told, if you say that processed food and cereal isn't good for kids, we're going to call you anti-science.

If you do anything to hurt the trucks, loads of money go into drugs and put the mortar to root cause, we're going to call it, we're going to say you're killing old people.

So they're getting threatened with these studies, being threatened that the media and all these entities and medical groups and schools and Harvard, everyone's going to come down on them for being anti-science if they go against.

So that's how the studies relate to them.

And they are basically DMing me and other people you're having on the show and saying, how can we cause more attention to this?

They need to basically reset the culture and I think feel a little bit trapped.

I do think there's some easy things we can do.

I mean, tomorrow the president can outlaw pharmaceutical ads on TV.

That is an executive order that could happen tomorrow.

Wow.

So there's pushing on that.

Now, it looks like next year we're going to have congressional testimonies on Coca-Cola executives, Coca-Cola executives who are

doing fraudulent things with research, I think who are like the cigarette companies knowingly causing harm to kids, who are paying off civil rights groups and rigging our institutions.

I think there's going to be some investigations

into them.

And then I think we're having a lot of talk on schools.

We had that disgraceful

testimonies from the presidents of Harvard and Penn and others, right, saying

they weren't sure whether the genocide of Jews was against the code of conduct.

That actually represents a much deeper issue, which is these schools have totally lost their way.

And schools are basically propped up.

Elite academic institutions are basically propped up with industry money and

are are just completely corrupt enterprises.

And I think tomorrow, tomorrow, the president can say no NIH grants to any researcher with a conflict of interest.

You wouldn't believe this, but right now, the majority of NIH grants go to university professors with a direct conflict of interest of what they're studying.

Wow.

Literally nutrition researchers who have been paid by food companies, not research grants, but bribes, consulting payments, and then pharmaceutical researchers who have been paid direct payments, consulting fees by pharmaceutical companies with interest in what they're studying.

That is the majority of NH grants.

There is no conflict of interest rules for any federal grant right now.

So you could change that tomorrow.

So you actually can chip away at the incentives.

And I will tell you,

it does give me hope that people are waking up to this on Capitol Hill and

trying to push these very simple ideas that can be instituted quickly as much as I can.

I hope we could change this because our kids, you know, growing up in this environment is really scary.

100%.

Yeah.

Well, Callie, it's been a pleasure, man.

Where can people find you?

I'm on the socials at Callie Means, C-A-L-L-E-Y-M-E-N-S, and my company is Trumad, truemed.com.

And we are actually prescribing food and exercise and enable people to spend tax-free money, F-S-H is a dollars on food and exercise, which you actually can do.

And I think that's another part of the solution.

Nice.

You can actually buy food and exercise tax-free with a doctor's note, which we make very seamless.

So that's true med.com.

Yeah.

Didn't know about that.

Yeah, I'll link it in the video.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks, man.

Yeah.

Appreciate it.

Thanks for watching, guys.

See you tomorrow.