Climbing the Vegas Sphere Going on Tucker Carlson & Climbing Skyscrapers I Maison DesChamps DSH #360

when you're climbing, you try not to think of falling.

The goal really is to shut your brain off.

Perceive danger, and there's actual danger.

You're absolutely terrified, even though you're not in any danger.

Fear is the same either way.

It feels exactly the same and it has the same effect where it doesn't help you.

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All right, guys, Mason Deshaw here coming fresh off the spear.

Just came out of jail, right?

Yeah, I was in jail for, I don't know, like a day and a half, two days.

And

yeah, it's pretty rough in there, but I'm happy to be out.

And my friends just got released 10 minutes ago.

Oh, he was in there too?

We had four of us in jail.

Oh, I thought only you climbed it.

Exactly.

I'm the only one that climbed it.

They arrested a a fifth for handing out pamphlets.

What?

Yeah, yeah.

What's the charge on that, though?

Conspiracy to destroy property and

felony destruction of property is what they charged all of us with.

Felony.

So you're facing some jail time potentially.

Yeah, you know,

none of the charges that they have on me are actually going to stick because they're claiming that I damaged over $100,000 of property, but I didn't break a single thing.

Right, and you got it all on video, too.

All on video.

GoPro.

And

I started climbing, and the plan was to climb down, right?

Because I knew there wasn't a hatch, and I knew there wasn't like any kind of roof access.

And I got to the top, and they had two workers there, a police officer, and a representative from the building.

Oh, they were at the top?

Yeah, they're always waiting for me.

It's always funny.

Oh, how'd they get up there, though?

On the inside, so it's actually really cool on the inside.

There's

like a sub-dome.

So the inside dome is actually smaller than the outside.

There's like an exoskeleton, and you can see all the framework of all their steel work that they did on the inside.

And really neat.

But there's a set of stairs that takes you, you know, you're maybe like five feet from the lights that are on the top, from the very top.

And so you can take off a couple bolts on the rails and pull one of those off.

Oh, God.

And so they invited me inside, right?

They said, come inside.

And I said, I don't want to come inside.

So if I do it, it's because you're inviting me.

And they said, yep.

So they let me in and they bolted it back up and they said that taking those two bolts off cost $100,000.

Damn.

Oh, so if they didn't invite you, it would have been trespassing, right?

No.

No?

So that's the funny thing with what I do, is that climbing skyscrapers, believe it or not, don't do it, by the way.

But climbing skyscrapers is not actually illegal.

It's not trespassing?

I should say in most states.

Okay.

No, because the way trespassing works is they have to trespass you, in which case you get 15 minutes to leave or you can leave at your own safety.

So, if you're 500 feet up a building and they tell you to leave,

unless they have a sign that says no climbing or skyscraper or that's a random sign of.

Yeah,

then you're kind of good to go.

So, how many people like you willing to climb a skyscraper?

Yeah, they just kind of never thought to make the law.

So, what's the highest building you've climbed?

Oh, man, the highest one I've done so far is the Salesforce Tower in San Francisco.

And, you know, height, it kind of plays a factor into the hardness, but not entirely.

Like, obviously, if the building's taller, there is more climbing that needs to be done.

Yeah.

You got to have more strength.

But what really makes the biggest difference is, are there rests?

So, like, the Salesforce, yeah, it was 1,070 feet, but every 10 feet or so, every 15 feet, there was a big fat rest that I could sit and get my muscle back.

Yeah.

Whereas buildings like the Accenture Tower in Chicago,

there was a 500-foot section of like no rest at all.

Damn.

Yeah, you got to be locked in.

Yeah, and actually two weeks before I climbed that, I ended up snapping a tendon in my hand.

Jeez.

And I did it because the charity I raised money for, obviously we raise money for pregnant women.

We pay their rent and everything, let them live.

They need money really badly.

So I just said, you know what?

I got to do it.

And I started climbing, and the building was so sharp, my hands just started gushing blood, right?

Jeez.

And luckily, it was so sharp that it made my hands go numb.

So I couldn't feel them.

Oh my god.

Couldn't feel the blood.

Why was it so sharp?

What was the material on it?

It's all metal.

And that's the thing with climbing the buildings.

Like a lot of people think I do it for fun.

I actually hate it.

Really?

Oh, it's horrible.

You don't wear gloves?

No, you tape it up, but the tape kind of falls off and it only does so much.

Yeah.

But you just do it for awareness.

For the awareness, like the pro-life movement, and then raising the money to help the women.

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And when you're done doing that, you get to go home, you get to go to the bar, have a beer, and then sleep in your own bed.

But when you're done climbing a building, you're all cut up.

You go sit in jail.

And then when you get out of jail, you got to go on podcasts and TV shows and worry about saying something dumb because you've been up for two days straight.

Yeah, you've been up for two days.

You went on Tucker Carlson, too, I saw.

That was nuts.

Yeah, that was super cool, dude.

The charity, again, like these charities, they just have no money because it's so hard to raise it in this movement.

And my boss called me and he's like, dude, anything you can, he's trying to get me to climb a building.

But without saying that, he's like, dude, anything that you can do to raise money, do it.

He doesn't want to get arrested for

they cannot pay me to climb buildings and they don't really.

But he's like, anything you can do to raise money, do it.

And I had no ideas.

I was injured and couldn't climb.

And so I just prayed about it.

And I came up with this like

bootleg marketing strategy.

And I realized that whoever these large accounts are following on Instagram, that's like their Rolodex.

So I just started going through all these conservative accounts and following whoever they were following.

And they started

following me back.

And one of them happened to be Tucker's producer.

And so on Instagram?

Yeah, that next Monday, I was on Tucker and we raised a lot of money.

How much did you raise?

Oh, gosh.

I don't remember, but I mean, like thousands of dollars.

It was a lot of fun.

That's awesome, man.

Super cool.

Now, when you get arrested, I saw you were dealing with a case in Phoenix that you said is not going so well.

Yeah, so I don't know if I can talk about that.

I can try to do my best.

Basically, Phoenix is a little different because

when I climbed that building, there was a fence around it.

And I was unaware that

when you hop a fence, it can bump it up to second-degree trespassing.

Okay.

And had I known that, like, I'm not trying to break the law, if I'm being honest.

I probably wouldn't have done it because it's kind of like with James O'Keefe, he's a buddy of mine.

He told me that we don't have to break the law, right?

There's no reason to.

I could have climbed any other building and accomplished the same thing, but I was unaware of the law.

And so

we're working on that.

Monday, we're going to know what's going on with that.

I didn't know that.

That's good to know.

I actually got arrested for trespassing when I was in high school.

Really?

Yeah.

What were you doing?

So in Jersey, where I grew up, it's called prom weekend.

So after prom, we all go to the beach and get drunk for two days.

And I guess I wasn't supposed to be at the house without a wristband.

Really?

So yeah, they arrested me.

Did they give you your 15 minutes to leave?

He said, get out.

And then I came back, I guess.

Okay, yeah.

They got you.

Good.

They got me.

How long did you sit in jail for?

It was only a few hours, but it felt like forever, honestly.

Yeah.

It was terrible.

I was the only one there, luckily.

I'm sure your arrest had been...

Man, like, honestly,

I prefer to go with other people.

Oh, you do?

Yeah, absolutely.

Like, solitary confinement is horrible.

But

as a Christian, right, I read the book of Acts and it's about the Apostle Paul.

Everywhere he goes, he's mopped, he's beaten and thrown in jail, and he uses the jail to preach the gospel.

And so when I go to jail, when they throw me in the big rooms,

for normal people, if you look like me,

you could maybe beat up.

You're a target, yeah.

But with what I do, they all just want to hear stories.

People respect it, right?

Yeah, yeah.

They think it's awesome.

The guys in there probably even saw you on the news in the jail.

Yeah, yeah, and the guards are coming up, they want autographs.

No way, yeah, it's hilarious.

I mean, no one's ever gonna do it again, so that's that's definitely an iconic thing, yeah.

But we're able to share the gospel in jail, which is really neat.

Yeah, so that's the story behind the hat.

Yeah, the story man in the hat, and this guy, he's a big supporter, the guy that makes the hat, so I told him I wear it around for him.

And it's

starts a lot of conversations.

Absolutely.

How'd you get close with James O'Keefe?

Okay, so James is a hero of mine.

I say that, like, soldiers recognize other soldiers.

In politics, there's so many people who are just good at talking.

Yeah.

And they don't have,

they don't have any actions to go with their worth.

Facts.

And here's James.

He's not only putting in the work, but he's also really good at giving speeches.

He talks about fear.

He talks about death.

He said, you're going to have to kill me if you want to stop me.

And that's the same way I feel.

And so I had the opportunity in Arizona a couple days before he was on your show to meet him.

I went to one of his classes that he teaches how to do the undercover journalism.

And I just said, Hey, dude, if you want to go rock climbing, like hit me up.

I'm living in Vegas.

He took you up on rock climbing?

Yeah, I took him out.

And that's dope.

So that's what that was funny.

I don't think he cares if I tell this, but James has zero fears, right?

Except for heights.

I think I'm the first person to ever inflict fear into James O'Keefe.

Like he told me, like, dude, I'm scared of heights.

I want to beat my fear.

And a lot of people say that.

But

it's one of those things that the more you do it, you get over it.

If I go to the top of a building and I look down, I'll get vertigo.

I'll start shaking, you know.

But climbing is a little different because you ease into it.

You start on the ground and it just progressively

you go up and you're not scared of it.

But James is the only person that I've ever seen who is physically scared of heights.

Wow, so he was like shaking a little bit.

Oh, yeah.

But I ended up, he was teaching me his,

what did he call it?

His ethics of deceit, right?

He said, we do not tell lies.

So he asked me, Mason, if I climb halfway up this, can I go down?

And I said, yes, you could.

And he gets halfway up and he says, can I go down now?

I said, well, you could, but.

I don't know if I want to let you down.

And to his credit, he ended up beating his fears and getting to the top.

And

I think he could beat it.

Were you free climbing or were you?

Well, yeah.

So free climbing just means that you are climbing with your hands and feet.

Yeah.

But that can also mean with a rope, right?

And so we're all roped in.

I free solo

sparsely.

Too risky, right?

Yeah.

I say, like, in climbing, there's only two reasons why people do dangerous things.

I call them the two isms.

Yeah.

It's narcissism and autism.

And if you're too far on either side of the spectrum, you die.

So that Alex Honnell documentary that blew up and was really cool, honestly, do you rank him on those isms?

I do.

He's got performance-enhancing autism.

Autism?

Yeah, dude.

Yeah, because I was going to say, he didn't give me narcissism vibes.

No, Alex is actually a great guy.

I've had the pleasure of meeting him.

My climbing mentor, Brad Gobright, was his climbing partner for a lot of years.

Oh, nice.

Brad died in 2019.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, he was rappelling.

Oh,

yeah, so they were rappelling down the mountain down in Mexico.

They climbed, I think it's, I'm going to butcher this name, but it's El Cinderoso Luminoso, I think is the route, very famous route.

Get to the top, everything's good.

They start coming down,

and if you don't tie knots on the end of your rope, you just repel right off your rope.

And so Brad fell 200 feet, hit the ledge, bounced off.

Damn.

His partner, get this, fell 200 feet, hit the ledge, stuck the ledge.

I think he broke a rib or an ankle, but like an angel must have pinned him down on the ledge because he lived 200 feet.

200-foot drop?

Yeah.

How do you survive that?

That's like, how many stories is that?

Oh, man.

I don't know.

It's like 20 stories.

20 stories, yeah.

There's all these weird cases of guys falling just an extreme amount of distance.

There was a pilot in World War II, I think, fell out of his plane, jumped out, no parachute, and he rolled an ankle.

What?

Yeah, yeah.

Hit a bunch of trees on the way down, just landed perfect.

that's and survived i've always thought about like this is such a random thought but if my plane was about to crash what i would try to land on yeah you know what i mean hopefully like a pillow factory or something i don't know like water they say trees um like what what area would you aim for if you had to choose yeah yeah aim for the the empty bouncy house yeah they say trees actually i think that's what i looked up but i don't know i think either way you're

yeah

yeah it's uh yeah when you're climbing you try not to think of falling Uh, like the goal really is to shut your brain off.

I tell people there's perceived danger and there's actual danger, right?

There's these times where you're absolutely terrified, even though you're not in any danger.

And there's times where you're in actual danger.

But the thing about it is, is that the fear is the same either way.

It feels exactly the same, and it has the same effect where it doesn't help you.

It just hurts.

Interesting.

So when you're climbing, your goal is to shut your brain off as much as possible and just focus on what you're doing right then and there.

Right.

What got you started in this?

Oh man.

So I mean I was a climber.

I grew up hunting and fishing and then in high school we moved from Michigan to LA.

Oh that's a big change.

Yeah.

So I didn't fit in.

You just are redneck.

You just strike me as an LA.

Yeah.

So the last day of school I threw everything in my car and I moved to Yosemite and was living in the boulders up there.

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But as far as the pro-life stuff, man, like my buddy, he just got out of jail, actually.

They found this box outside of an abortion clinic in DC,

and they brought it home and they opened it.

And inside of the box were five full-term babies

that were just ripped to shreds.

And so,

yeah it's uh called the justice for the five

and I saw this photo of this baby she sat in a Ziploc container she had a smashed skull and one eye left open and I just thought like if I don't do something about this like what kind of man am I right

and there was this guy Alon Robert as far as the building stuff goes he I stole the idea from him Back in 2008, he climbed the New York Times building to protest climate change.

And he's done stuff all over the world.

I mean, he's 60 years years old and he's still climbing buildings.

Wow.

He, before he was even climbing buildings, he was one of the greatest rock climbers of all time.

I mean, on the topic of Alex Honold, in 1991 or 1992, Alan came out to America, drove to Yosemite to try to free solo El Cap.

Jeez.

But the route that Alex had climbed didn't exist yet.

No one had found it.

There was the nose and then the salathay wall, and those were both too hard.

He said he did the great roof, which is one of the hard pitches on the nose, and he got up to changing corners, which is the next hard pitch, and he said it was just too hard to solo.

So how do you get down if you're stuck?

You can repel.

So there's all sorts of bolts.

And like

the first time you climb L Cap, it feels like you're going off into space.

You climbed it?

Many times, yeah, with Brad.

And that was the thing that made me good because the first time, like I said, it's like you're going to space.

You're living in a whole new world.

Yeah.

And the one route is called Sea of Dreams because it's literally just this sea of rock that you have to navigate.

But when you really start climbing it and you learn that you can climb it in a day and you can navigate between routes,

it really dumbs it down.

And one time I was with Brad, it was three in the morning and it started to rain, so we had to bail.

Yeah.

Oh, the rain makes it harder.

Yeah, and we would have got down in two hours, but he got his rope stuck.

Oh, gosh.

And so there's this pitch.

It's called the monster off with.

And it's like three in the morning.

He has to climb back up this really physical pitch.

I'm at the belay.

I'm like half belaying him.

I'm falling asleep.

You know, I don't, I'm like

snoring at the anchor just

while he's heroing up to get the rope.

But yeah, we got down in a couple hours.

Yeah.

So these big ones take, it's like a full day like

expedition, pretty much.

Well, so that route, the last people to do it.

No, I mean, there might have been someone in between, but as far as I know, the last people to do it took 12 days.

12 days?

Yeah.

Holy crap.

This is all Brad's skill.

This isn't any of my glory, but he did it in 16 and a half hours.

What?

Yeah, we got to the top.

We got to like a couple pitches from the top, and we slept on this ledge for a couple hours to wait for the photographer.

He never showed up, so the photographer took us to the other side.

Yeah, we did find it for no reason.

Yeah, I think we would have had the speed record if we wouldn't have waited.

Oh, so that would have been in the Guinness Record book.

Yeah, again, that was all him.

I was just his belay singer.

You were just there?

That's still nuts, though.

The fact that you witnessed that.

Yeah, dude, I was just a 19-year-old kid.

That's crazy.

I didn't know how to say no.

Like, looking back, some of the stuff we were doing, I'm like, okay.

Pretty risky.

That was a little sketchy, but...

Well, you're probably just such a fan at the time.

You're like, yeah, I want to be there.

Exactly, dude.

If I messed up, I was always embarrassed.

Yeah.

And I was just so scared of being embarrassed.

I just, I didn't want to say no.

I just...

was a yes man.

Right.

And that's good and bad, I'd say.

I think it's important to try out new things, but

you don't want to always be a yes man.

I mean, no one wants character building.

No one wants five yes men around them.

It's toxic.

That's how all the pro athletes go broke because they have so many yes men around them.

Yeah, I bet.

Yeah, I'm lucky.

I don't have any money, so I don't have to deal with that.

That being said, what role does money play in your life?

Like, is it something you think about a lot?

Because you seem to be very mission-driven.

Mission-driven entirely, man.

I mean, my money belongs to God.

And everywhere I go,

I just get provided for.

When I climbed in Chicago in October, I went to Chicago with $40, two jars of peanut butter, and a sleeping bag.

Wow.

And so climbers, we have this term we use, and it's hilarious because people who don't climb, they think it's a bad term, but for climbers, it's a badge of honor.

It's called a dirt bag.

Dirt bag.

Yeah.

And so Brad was known as one of the kings of the dirt bags.

That's who I learned from him.

I lived out in my car for two years just climbing.

every day.

What does it mean, though, to be called that?

So it just means that you live in poverty almost intentionally, but mainly so that you can, instead of working, you can just rock climb.

And that was never my intention to do that for my whole life.

It was just something to do while I was in college.

And

it taught me a lot of skills that helped me now as an activist where you don't make any money.

And so when I went to Chicago, like I said, I was planning as soon as my hotel ran out to take a train out of the city and sleep on the streets.

I ended up going to this speaking event and I spoke and one of the parents who was there, this teen event, they really liked my speech.

So they invited me to this guy's house and then we get there and it's like an 18,000 square foot mansion.

Damn.

And he's really into woodworking stuff and architecture.

And I'm a finished carpenter by trade.

And so we hit it off.

And rather than sleeping on the sidewalk, I ended up sleeping in his house.

And then he kind of taught me how to fundraise.

And so I left with a bunch of money to make a documentary.

Wow.

Yeah, that is fascinating, man.

Yeah, guys like you and James O'Keefe, who are just activists and don't really care about making money for yourselves always interest me.

It's dude,

it's a God thing because

everywhere I go, he provides.

I was in Michigan for Christmas, and I'm on a run.

I have zero dollars in the bank account, right?

I run it down to the ground.

Yeah, total mission-driven.

And I'm on this run, and someone recognizes me, and they give me 200 bucks, and they didn't know I needed that money, but I really did.

Wow.

And yeah, dude, everywhere I go, God just

takes care of me.

And as long as that happens, I can keep going.

And even if it doesn't, though, it's like, dude, with what's going on right now, I can starve.

I could care less.

They're going to have to kill me if they want me to stop.

Damn, man.

That's deep.

Not a lot of people these days, you see that.

And that's the whole point of what I do.

It's like, to try to get people to believe the words they say.

I tell people if they believe abortion is murder, which not everybody does, but if you believe that, you have to act like it if you're pro-life it's for one reason yeah and so you're saying babies are being murdered go do something about it and then not only that but like to be a christian

that means that you have this eternal life so what does all this other stuff matter on earth like what like if they want to jail me oh well we saved a life we saved the baby if they want to take my money that's fine i don't need it no i'll live i'll just go rock climb

that's insane someone like you can't be canceled unless yeah they kill you honestly Yeah, they can't really cancel me.

I'm already canceled, so it's like, eh.

The media always reports the articles so negatively, too.

I noticed, dude, yeah, and it's one of those things, like in the Bible, there's a verse, and it says, What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?

And if I cared for a second what the media thought of me, I wouldn't be doing this, but but

I don't really, it doesn't, it doesn't bother me.

Um, in fact, how we save the most babies, uh, there was this Reddit thread,

and it was like the number one Reddit thread for like a week after I climbed the chase tower in Phoenix, just trashing me, right?

And we went on there and we were like, Yeah, this pro-life Spider-Man guy, what an idiot.

Here he's raising money for pregnant women so they don't need to get abortions.

Yeah, I think the charity's called letthemlive.org.

How dumb.

And all these women started calling in to cancel their abortions.

No way.

We just fed the hate.

Reverse psychology.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

So you've saved thousands of lives, man.

That's awesome.

I don't know about thousands, but

hundreds.

We're at probably somewhere over 20 right now.

Well, that's just directly.

Think about the kids that those people will have eventually.

You know what I mean?

It's like spider.

There was one time that we probably could say we saved a lot.

So Walgreens, they wanted to sell the abortion pill everywhere.

It was illegal.

Wow.

And they were going to just let the courts take care of it.

Let the lawyers take care of it.

Just get it out there.

So we found out about this shareholders meeting that they were having in Newport Beach.

It's this huge, fancy country club.

It's called the Pelican Hill Resort.

And it's like $1,500 a night.

So we found someone to buy the hotel room for us.

And I didn't even get to stay in there.

It was expensive.

I was really upset.

$1,500 a night.

I was so happy that.

They must have given you back massages.

I don't know.

I didn't get to stay because we were at the bar the night before.

And we were drinking.

You got too drunk.

No, we overheard the security.

They were talking about how they know there's pro-lifers there and how they're going to start the meeting early and shut the doors.

So my buddy was like, hey, what if you guys just went in tonight and just slept in there?

Yeah.

So we ended up doing that.

We went into the closet behind the stage and we slept in there for like nine hours.

That's hilarious.

And we could see the stage right out of the little crack in the door.

And we waited for them to, you know, run the show for like 20 minutes.

And we went out and we patted the CEO on the back.

And

I don't know, have you ever shot a deer?

No, I haven't.

Can't relate to that.

So, when you shoot a deer, they jump like 10 feet in the air.

Okay.

I think this guy thought I was going to kill him or something.

Dude, did he recognize you or something?

No, but the fear of God was inflicted in his eyes.

He about fell off the stage when I patted him on the back.

Oh man.

They had, they tackled us.

They tackled you?

Yeah, the security tackled us.

And when they had to get us out of there, right?

Did you get to say anything first, at least?

Oh, yeah.

But here's the thing: they had to get us out.

So when they got us out, they opened the unlocked doors and we had a bunch of people waiting on the other side to storm in.

So they stormed in.

Yeah, we shut down the meeting and

Walgreens actually announced that they weren't going to sell the abortion pill in those red states because of the protest.

No way.

Yeah.

So like I said, you saved thousands, if not tens of thousands.

Yeah, and what keeps me going is meeting these babies.

I've got to meet a few.

Yeah.

And I can't help but think that when you die, you're going to get to heaven and you're going to sit at this table of saints and you're gonna get to meet these babies one day and all of the work and all of the sacrifice it'll be worth it yeah i love that dude you're so purpose driven i'm i'm at the stage of my life now where i'm diving into purpose stuff i used to i'm not gonna lie just care about money a lot yeah a lot of entrepreneurs are like that but now i only do stuff with intention that's awesome man yeah it's been a great shift i feel i wake up every morning so fulfilled now and uh i feel feel like with the podcast i'm spreading just amazing messaging that's good.

Are you a Christian?

I'm not.

I would say I'm spiritual.

I would say I do believe in God, even though maybe not the version you're thinking of, if that makes sense.

Yeah, well, what I say, like

a lot of the American church is, it's watered down.

And I don't blame people for being mad at Christians because I'm mad at them too.

When you read the Bible, too, like most atheist criticism of Christians are in the Bible.

We're criticizing ourselves.

And it talks about like the weeds among the wheat, the wolves in sheep's clothing, all these TV preachers asking for your money.

And you want to get to heaven, send your money.

Like the Bible warns of that.

And yeah, so I don't blame a lot of people for being mad at it.

It's tough to find a really good church that has all the incentive to lie because when there's money involved, I mean, there's going to be human nature involved.

My big thing I recommend to people is just find a church that reads the Bible because that's our direction.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's tough, though when you see all these like these church owners or whatever just using money to buy their own houses and cars.

Kenneth Copeland, you ever see that guy?

No, he did that.

He bought private jets and all sorts of things.

Crazy, dude.

Yeah, I'm like, if you're a preacher and you're flying in a private jet, I don't think you're getting to heaven.

Maybe you will.

I don't know.

I don't think so.

So you don't agree with the 10% thing where you got to donate.

Oh, so the tithe.

Yeah, I do.

But it should be out of

your own heart, right?

It shouldn't be this guy saying that that's what you have to do to get to heaven.

I don't believe that we're saved by any of our works.

We're saved by our faith alone.

So if you have no money and

you can't give anything, that's fine by me.

And if you want to give, that's fine.

You're not going to be

rewarded here on earth like these guys like to

say like most of the time, which is funny because the more I've sacrificed, I've seemed to be rewarded.

But the Bible actually says the opposite.

It says when you sign up for this, your life's going to to be a lot harder.

Interesting.

You're going to be persecuted.

People are going to hate you because they hate what you stand for.

And so that's what I signed up for.

I just been, I guess, blessed.

Wow.

I do believe in karma.

I do believe in energy like that.

I don't.

You don't?

No.

How calm.

Let's dive into this.

Yeah.

So, I mean, like, the book of Job,

it kind of goes over that, right?

Like, I'm going to butcher this.

I'm not, I'm an evangelist more than I am like a

theologian, but the book of Job, like basically, Satan makes this deal with God and it's like, hey, this guy, he's not really going to pray.

He only praises you because you bless him.

What if you took his blessings away, right?

Then will he still praise you?

And God

agrees to do it knowing that Job would still praise him.

And he took all of Job's family away.

He struck him, I think, with leprosy.

punished him for

nothing.

But one of the themes of it was have praise even in your suffering.

And then also, just because we're good people, just because we do good works does not mean that we're going to have good things happen to us.

I think the key thing is expecting good things when you do good things.

I think that's the wrong mindset.

I think you should just do good things and maybe good things will happen.

But it's also what you choose to focus on, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, like,

I really like the book of James.

It talks about like

faith,

having faith and doing works with it.

And it says, a man who has faith and doesn't do any works, is it like a man who looks at himself in the mirror and then immediately forgets who he was when he walks away?

I'm paraphrasing that.

No, I get it.

That makes sense.

I don't know.

I just look at like.

My friends who gave a lot, they just seem to receive a lot back.

I think that's part of that might be like human nature too.

Like, because conviction, it is contagious yeah and like like james for instance yeah look at james you see what he does and you can't help but like have that energy around you and i'm really thankful for all my friends like james and then my buddy aj hurley just got out of jail nice

yeah shout out to a jerry he didn't snitch on you yeah no no dude snitches get stitches

but uh

yeah uh having good people around you it's just it's such a blessing and uh it's contagious you see what what aj does and finding those babies and i mean he he's facing a lot of jail time for other charges damn and he keeps going and he's he's fearless with it and being around that it rubs off on you absolutely mason it's been fun man anything you want to promote or close off with yeah if you guys would like to donate and help pregnant women go to letthemlive.org if you want to follow me on instagram prolife.spider-man perfect you heard it here guys thanks for coming on brother thank you so much man yeah thanks for watching guys as always see you next time.