Vegas Matt and EJ Morrow On Being the Biggest Slots Players, Gambling and Life in Vegas | DSH #177

So you guys been winning this week or what?

Well, today we lost, what, $1,100, $1,200?

I don't know, it felt like we won.

Yeah.

It was gambling.

I retired in Vegas and all I did was gamble.

And now

we started making a living at it.

That's probably the formula to happiness.

When you get paid for what you actually like to do.

I mean, if you know, if you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life, they say, something like that.

Welcome back to the Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly.

I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis.

What up, what up?

And our guest today, Vegas, Matt and EJ Morrow.

Hey, good.

Matt, EJ, what's up, y'all?

What's going on?

What's up?

The father-son duo.

Man, yeah, we're back.

Cool having him along.

I should have brought him last time in case you asked any intelligent questions that I got to answer.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

So you guys been winning this week or what?

Well, today we lost, what, $1,100, $1,200?

I don't know.

It felt like we won.

Yeah.

It did feel like a win.

We filmed some insanely good content, you know.

But then at the end, we decided we wanted to do like this one short, you know, to put something up today.

And then I lost like $2,000 in about literally 120 seconds.

So you were up 900?

We were up like, yeah, up a little bit, and then we ended up giving it all back.

And then we played this stupid Wheel of Fortune game because people are saying...

You always talk about that one.

Why'd you play it?

Well, I don't know, because it was like the Wheel of Fortune gold spin.

And like, some people are just always saying, like, play this game.

And so I'll be like, all right, let's play that game.

And we were playing 50 bucks a spin and we got down like 3,000 bucks in like, you know,

five minutes.

Five minutes.

That's terrible.

Yeah, it was awful.

Just didn't hit anything.

Yeah.

I forgot to ask this last episode, but what's the most you've lost?

Because we talked about the most you've won.

Yeah.

I mean, at a certain, there's a pain threshold, you know, and with me, I think it's, it's south of 30,000.

20 and change

is about as much brutalization as I can take in one day.

I'm not gambling super crazy.

I think that's one of the reasons that our channel kind of does well.

People can kind of relate, you know, because I'm not like carrying a million dollars in a briefcase, you know, like we're just playing like regular people to some degree.

You know, I mean, we play pretty big.

One time we did a $5,000 spin recently on one spin on a slot.

Is that big on slots?

Yeah.

$5,000?

That's the max, isn't it?

I think that's the biggest slot machine that I'm aware of.

John Daly used to play the same machine.

It's a red, white, and blue machine, $5,000,

one coin.

And if you hit a red, white, and blue, it's $2.55.

$5 million.

$2.5 million.

Whoa.

So

what's the goal daily?

When are you, okay,

we're done?

What's the threshold?

Once we hit like a $250 million megabucks, then

I'm done.

So that's the daily goal?

No, I mean, the goal is just to have fun and really just have fun.

Like, I gambled every day before I started doing this.

And so have fun.

And then that's been my motto actually my whole life.

And I think about it, it's like, how can I get paid to do what I enjoy doing?

Which is gambling.

Yeah.

Like right now, in this stage of my life, it was gambling.

I retired in Vegas and all I do was gamble.

And now

we started making a living at it.

That's probably the formula to happiness when you get paid for what you actually like to do.

I mean, if you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life, they say, something like that.

So when did you get into it, son?

Let's see, 2021.

We were just going to dinner.

I think it was at GVR.

And he hit some sort of big jackpot, and I filmed it.

And we were like, let's post it.

We could call it Vegas Matt.

And then, like, by the end of dinner, it had, I don't want to exaggerate, I think it had, like, 60,000 views by the end of dinner.

And then that's sort of when we realized we might be onto something.

Are you gambling too and play every day, too?

I film and do all.

We're invested in the result either way now.

Gotcha.

I don't need to gamble my own money.

I'm plenty invested, especially when we lose.

He's nice and stressed out, and that's enough for me.

Gotcha.

I hate losing.

I love winning.

That's the fun of gambling, and it's real, and we show our losses, we show our wins.

You know, it's just kind of the daily struggle.

Right.

And that's what we do.

I saw MGM just announce they're going to allow people to film now.

How is that going to change up the game for you guys?

You know, I mean, it's getting to the point now where any casino who doesn't want the streamers to come in is really missing the boat.

Because, I mean, say, what's the most common question you get asked every single day?

Where do you like to play?

What's the best casino to play at?

You know, I'm always plugging the casinos that I play at.

People, I've had people drive two and a half hours to come and see us playing at a casino.

And you don't get paid for that.

I don't get paid for that, you know, yet.

I mean, there'll be, I'm sure there'll be partnerships.

I think the future of this, you know, this streamer, the slot influencer thing is really just getting going.

I mean, Brian Christopher, who was kind of the OG of the thing, he

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like it's his the brian christopher you know smoke free slot room at the plaza and there will be more and more stuff like that um but no we don't get paid to go we just we just go and play it but yeah it's cool that mgm has loosened up yeah and uh as they should and you're on the data side so you guys are getting over 40 million views a month now yeah how are you able to scale because i think last time you were at like five yeah i don't know i think just well posting to more platforms helps we started out on TikTok and then we never really posted anything else and we posted to more and more and more and the algorithms these days just they find the audience for you I think so we post stuff that people like to see and then they find the audience and it grows.

So you're not using any like hashtags or specific strategies you're just posting?

Yeah, no, no specific strategies.

No, like I feel like hashtags are a little bit outdated.

I feel like the algorithms will be able to find your audience without you saying hashtag Las Vegas, hashtag slot machine, hashtag this.

Definitely on TikTok, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, TikTok.

They want you to use a couple.

Not a lot, yeah.

Yeah, I haven't noticed too much of a difference on our videos, whether, but maybe I just need to pay more attention.

I mean, if the, I don't know, this, our formula is, if it's good, it will do well.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, it's pretty simple.

You know, I mean, if, yeah, if you get lucky and you have like a big win, people like to see that.

But, you know, we have this unique thing where we actually kind of put a personality into it and some humor and have fun with it.

And then

we're like developing characters and, we have our little team and so forth.

One of the things that I think is going to be fun is starting to do more and more stuff with like non-gambling like celebrities.

It was so fun gambling with Bryce Hall.

That was a kick.

And other people that like to gamble that are in Vegas, we'll go out and gamble with them.

We made up this concept, I don't know, a couple weeks ago, called

the amazing race of slots, the amazing slot race.

You take a certain amount of money, you go off into the casino, you got to come back at a certain time see who has more money

fun stuff like that

so how do you teach people the correct way how to gamble on slots what is the correct way yeah to gamble on slots oh that's a good question you want to answer that um mathematically like what do you what would you say well no i think there's i think it's more than i would obviously it's mathematically but you don't you can't play every machine like the pretty machines aren't the you can't play all the pretty right you just don't touch those right well there's i mean that's a such a loaded question i mean anybody could you know you could just do a quick Google search, you know, like how to win at slots or something like that.

I mean, I don't think that's enough.

You got to talk to the pro.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, the pros, you know, the ones, the real pros that are actually making money probably aren't going to tell you.

Just like the guys that were in here trading stocks, they're not going to tell you exactly what they're doing.

Like, hey, buy my course.

I mean, I don't sell a course.

I'm not an advantaged slot player.

I play dumb games.

Like, I was playing Wheel of Fortune today.

Probably has like a 10% hold, you know.

But it is math and it is discipline.

it is stuff that most people don't have.

I think the best recommendation I have for the average person playing slots is bankroll management.

If you win, book the win.

I have like the 10 commandments of gambling.

One of them is don't be afraid to book a win.

If you lose more than

what you said you would lose, you know, quit, book the loss.

Don't chase the loss.

It just chases up down the rabbit hole.

So quitting while you're ahead has a lot to do with it.

Playing intelligent machines, like, you know, a game, again, I don't mean to pick on Wheel of Fortune, you know, because I might get a deal someday with whoever makes that machine.

But I mean, it's a fun game.

I think it's the most popular game in the casino.

I use that as an example because it doesn't have a huge payout percentage.

You know, you can look at the payout percentage on machines and they can adjust them slightly, but some have much higher payouts than others, like video poker, boring, you know, game like, you know, jacks are better or bonus poker, you know, you're going to get like 99% of the money back.

So if you put a million dollars through the machine, you're only going to lose $10,000 if you played it an infinite number of times.

If you played Wheel of Fortune a million dollars, you'd probably lose $100,000.

So that math is there, and then it's just a matter of, I don't know, a bunch of other stuff.

Anything you'd like to add?

It's a bunch of other stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any specific formula.

The only thing is be responsible, have fun, and use a player's card.

Right.

Because you're getting a little bit of extra value from a player's card.

What do they give you for using that?

You get points, and then you can also get hotel stays.

So if you're out of town and you want to stay at a specific hotel, you should go to that hotel, get a player's card and gamble there.

Next time they'll send you an offer for a free room, maybe some comp dinners and things like that.

There's just a little bit of extra value you can get from a player's card.

I mean also you know you get invited to things like slot tournaments.

Yeah.

You know, and you just sit there and just go like this, just hit the button real fast and there's a hundred.

Is that what the slot tournaments are?

Yeah,

as fast as you can.

Three minutes, as fast as you can, and then as much as you win, they're silly, but they have them all every weekend.

They're slot tournaments.

And if you play a lot on your player's card, you get invited to slot tournaments.

And I mean, I've won as much as $50,000 extra money on a slot tournament.

What?

Yeah.

Wait, so you go

for three minutes?

Yeah.

Actually, sometimes I was like, I mean, it could be three minutes, could be two minutes, but it's usually three minutes.

In a slot tournament, though, it's not real money, it's play money.

So you're just pressing it, and whoever wins the most play money, then they win first prize.

Generally, they'll pay like top 10 or something of a field of 100.

And you get that prize.

But it's free.

You get invited for free just by using your card.

Like the wind has a really cool suite underneath the Golden Knights, right?

And I mean, I've gotten to go to the Golden Knights, like on the, you know, on the glass, and then at the breaks, go underneath free food and beverage and stuff like that.

I mean, that's an experience, a few thousand-dollar experience.

Why?

Because I used my card when I was playing.

And the wind invited me.

Yeah.

We just ate at the buffet for free.

Yep, that was cool.

You and Ade at the buffet?

At the M Buffet, yeah.

Okay.

Because they play there a lot.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Wait, the M has Buffet?

Yeah, it just opened.

Oh, wow.

You see this dude eat.

He's tall and skinny, but man, he can eat.

Seven plates, not bad.

That was impressive.

That was impressive.

So I went back the next week and I ate nine.

Oh, did you?

Yeah.

So I wanted to get to 10.

But you run out of stuff to eat there because it's kind of like not a lot of options.

Sure.

I mean, that's one thing.

I mean, I noticed looking at this camera, I shouldn't have worn shorts.

I didn't know I was going to have this angle here.

But yeah, you get a lot of free food, you get a lot of free room.

Some famous YouTube streamer reached out to us, you know, and we're going to get them a suite and they're going to,

you know, we're going to do a kind of a, what is that called?

A collaboration or something?

Yeah.

And film some bits, as he called it.

Film some bits together.

And

yes, we're having all kinds of fun with it, man.

It's blowing up.

I mean, I never dreamed that it would get this big.

And that's when, you know, success generally happens.

Like, I own a real estate company in Costa Rica, right?

Yeah.

And now it's like, I met someone the other day.

It was funny.

I was playing poker in Costa Rica just for fun and

like live poker.

And then they're like, oh, man, you own Costa Rica Elite?

You know, and I was thinking about it.

It's like, wow, that's a, you know,

and it just started because I love going to Costa Rica.

I bought one condo, then I bought another, then I bought another, then I brought friends down, then I sold a bunch of condos, and I started a property management company.

And just because I love going to Costa Rica, now I build a big business.

And then I love drinking wine.

And

I started having wine parties one time, and then we built the largest wine club in the world.

Like,

if you could find something you love doing, like drinking, gambling,

drinking and gambling,

find something you love doing, and drooping off

and then get paid to do it.

But I'm the not kidding.

That's been my formula my whole life.

I've done well at almost, like, I mean, I wanted to be a stand-up comedian, you know, and then so I went to Hollywood.

And then, you know, I got around the movie business.

And then

started raising money.

And we made horror movies in the 80s.

And me and my friends, we raised 10 million bucks.

We made four horror movies.

And I got into the movie business, which is what I always wanted to do.

What movies did you make?

There was a company called a movie called Witchboard, which is the most successful one.

It's about a Ouija board.

It was with with Tawny Katane, the girl from the White Snake video.

I don't know if I'm aging myself.

I definitely am.

1987.

Another one called Night of the Demons, which was kind of a formula flick, like, you know, TNA, blood and guts, good special effects.

One of the best special effects guys in the industry actually was on.

That was one of his first films.

And yeah, Night of the Demons.

And then we had one that I don't think anyone ever saw that was a total flop.

And then we had another one called Night Angel.

Nice.

Oh, wow.

What was stand-up like?

I heard that's pretty tough.

It's really hard.

I mean, that's like something that I kind of wish I had done better at and had been more committed to.

But it's tough.

You get up there, I mean, it's scary.

You know, it's easy to be funny when you don't have to be, you know.

But if you have to be funny, they're like, come on, make me laugh.

It's kind of forced.

It's gnarly.

I have mad respect for stand-up comedians.

I watched Howie Mandel.

Like, that dude is one of the best live stand-up guys ever.

And that was kind of my format, just interact with the audience and so forth and just kind of impromptu.

Andrew Schultz does that too.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's really good.

Mitch Hedgberg, though.

That guy was.

Mitch Hedberg was so good.

Oh, yeah.

Anytime you can get in front of a crowd and control the narrative is powerful.

You can make them laugh, make them cry.

You can do whatever you want.

That's big.

Yeah.

Well, we had fun with the gambling channel, like this shirt I'm wearing, like the Sando.

Like we kind of made, you know, like I was gambling and I said, huh, we had like we hit some bonus.

You know, we were in a couple thousand dollars.

We hit the bonus.

We were thinking we're going to make all this money.

And then we get some bonus that's like 80 bucks, you know?

And I'm like, like, that's a sandwich.

And so I just said sandwich.

Now I didn't make that up.

Where did I first see it on?

Narcos.

I saw it on Narcos.

That's the first time I heard the word sandwich, but I kind of started saying it when we get a, you know, that's a sandwich bonus.

And then since you're not supposed to swear on some platforms and whatnot, we changed it to Sando.

And then we branded this.

And now we're selling tons of Sando t-shirts.

You know, people will be at the casinos like, it's such a trip.

Walk through.

They're like, hey, Vegas, Matt.

I hope you don't get a Sando.

But like from just saying sandwich, because I saw it it on Narcos, now it's like a whole industry.

That's what's so cool about social media these days.

I mean, it's just that's dope to see you excited about it because most like older casts, they kind of despise social media.

Like they can't believe

older.

Dude, I'm almost 60, man.

I feel about the same as I did when I was 16, having fun.

You know, it's cool working with my son.

You know, he's the genius of this whole deal.

He's always telling me, I'll be like, yeah, let's do this, you know, sponsorship deal with this.

This guy messaged me and said he'd give us this money.

He's like, no, we aren't doing it.

Like, we haven't done anything.

You know, it's not good for our audience.

You know, we don't, we don't, we're not selling out.

We're just like building the brand, building the plat, building the followers.

And I think it's working out really well because when we're not like constantly saying, you know, send me stars.

Like, he wouldn't even turn those stars on.

What are those?

I don't know.

On Facebook, it's like

it's basically asking for money.

Oh, okay.

One star equals one penny, and your fans can send you stars.

It's like YouTube.

YouTube is like buy super thanks, that sort of thing.

Yeah.

I just i don't know it's we have a brand where we're gambling huge amounts of money and then if we have a thing that says send me

four cents like send me a couple bucks you just made four cents at the beginning of it's weird yeah i'm just waiting for the deal to come along like you know vegas matt the official gambler of like all cruises or all ugm properties or whatever like i mean that that'll

i'm telling you it's it's so fun like anybody watching that wants to you know find something you love doing be consistent that's where most people fail right just like anything you you know let's say i was trying to get in shape you know know it's like let's do a hundred push-ups a day it's really not that difficult right but you got to do it consistently you can't just like make one video a day for a week you got to do it for months and months and months and months and months if you're consistent at things you can you could be mad successful that's what's so cool i mean we have an iphone we invested what a hundred bucks in a mic yeah 300 300 in a yeah we have we have like these wireless mics now and an iphone and we have this business I mean, if I was to value it, it's a multi-million dollar business, and we're just getting started.

Yeah, based off the viewership, it definitely is yeah what are your thoughts on online casinos because there were some influencers that partnered with them recently like a year ago they got a lot of hate would you guys ever go that route i mean that's your department really i would say that um

i get we get the question a lot like are they good and yeah i'd say their return to the player is probably the same but they have like really aggressive affiliate models which i think leads to people who wouldn't normally gamble gambling and it's just weird having that access if you can just open your laptop and go out and gamble.

So, we've kind of stayed away from it because

we just think that it's probably better for us.

I don't know.

I mean, I kind of wonder, like, is it rigged or whatever?

It's just like gambling outside the country.

That's my thing.

Like, in Costa Rica, when I gamble, it just seems to me like they cheat.

You know, like somebody can have control and just stop it.

And when they want to stop it, or for you.

Well, you would know if they do because you play so much here.

You could probably tell in other countries if it's a little off.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, the slot machines

in other countries just do not seem to be as like, I think the U.S., you know, has a decent, does a decent job.

I mean, the gaming control board is a pretty serious.

Like, if you try to get a gaming license, I mean, it's like they call like everybody who lived next to you like 27 years ago and asked about your habits.

I mean,

they take this gambling real seriously.

I don't think anyone's cheating here in the U.S.

That's just my opinion.

I think it's pretty legit.

But as far as like these offshore online casinos, these crypto casinos and stuff, I'm just a little skeptical.

I'm not saying they're not perfect.

I'm not saying that maybe one day someone may create an online casino that is really cool and I may promote it.

So I don't want to say I never, ever, ever.

But I'm a little skeptical is all it is.

And we don't want to sell out.

We're just trying to bring entertainment is our deal.

Gotcha.

And we're having fun with it.

Like I did this before I got paid.

You know what I mean?

So I don't need to sell out to get paid.

Yeah, I like that mindset.

People usually have the other approach where they want money first.

Yeah.

And then it kind of throws off the content because you're more so forcing forcing it.

You're not doing it organically or like, you know, teaching him in a sense, right?

I mean, he's done a good job.

He's a young guy.

What are you, 27?

You don't know your son's age?

What are you that's a 21 purpose?

28.

I mean, he's in touch with, you know, what's what's going on.

He's just done an amazing job.

I mean, like, when some, someone made a post that said, you know, hey, congratulations, Vegas, Matt.

You know, you, number one, blah, blah, blah, did this, that, and the other.

And I'm like, is that true?

You know, and I was like blown away at how meteoric this thing has grown.

A lot of it's because of what he, and it's all so fun working with your kid.

I don't know, you guys have any kids,

not yet.

I mean, it's super cool.

I would do it, yeah.

I mean, why not?

It's like everyone always on their deathbed, they're like, Oh, I wish I'd spent more time with my family, or they pay lip service to, oh, my family's so important.

Then they see him on like Thanksgiving and Christmas, and they get in a fight over, you know, who ate the, you know, all the cornbread or something, you know.

And it's like, but I mean, so actually being with your family all the time to me seems cool.

So this is, this is a blast.

It was like, imagine working with your kid, gambling every day.

What do you do for it for a living?

Sounds fun.

And being in Vegas, I mean, you know, people always say, like, do you like living in Vegas?

I was like, how could you live anywhere else?

I tell people that all the time, but I love Vegas.

People assume the strip is Vegas.

Yeah, but it's so much smaller to Vegas.

But it's like, the strip is awesome.

You know, I mean,

you know, we could go out, we should do this, another podcast.

We could go out to an amazing dinner every single night for 365 nights in a row in Vegas within a 20-minute drive of here.

For sure.

You know, and what other city can you say that?

You know, like,

there's, there's like, you know, five or 10 or 15 good restaurants.

I mean, here there are hundreds of good restaurants.

You know, every, I mean, I'll hear something like, oh man, I went to, you know, the Counting Crows last night.

Oh, were they here?

You know, it's like every night, everyone's here.

You know, I mean, all the best entertainment, all the best shows, all the best concerts, everything is Vegas.

The weather, you know, it's got like too hot, too cold, and a few, you know, and then two parts of just perfect.

You know, the weather, but the weather's nice generally.

It's sunny, sometimes a little too hot, sometimes a little too cold, but weather's amazing.

Lake Mead, I don't know.

I just like the Vegas Tourism Board.

And it's the most fun.

Yeah, they got to pay you for this plug.

You got no state taxes.

Come to Vegas.

No state taxes.

The real estate's getting more spending, but it's nothing like California.

I sold my California house and bought a house that was like 3x the size, you know, here.

So yeah, for cheaper, too.

There's just so much fun.

It's so much fun in in Vegas.

Everyone comes to visit.

You know what I mean?

It's like

all your friends come to Vegas.

You don't have to leave.

You didn't even think you're going to leave.

It's like, no, we're coming there this weekend.

All right.

Anytime I go anywhere else, I'm like, it's like 10 o'clock.

They're like, oh man, too bad you weren't here this weekend.

There was a party.

I'm like, whoa,

you know, like Vegas is like Tuesday night at midnight.

What do you want to do?

I don't know.

Let's go do anything.

Anything we want.

Yeah.

When I take vacations, I find myself missing Vegas.

You're bored.

Every time.

And when I lived in Jersey, I would hate coming back home.

I'd want to stay on the vacation.

But now I love Vegas.

Don't worry.

But we've got to keep this quiet because the traffic's getting a little out of control.

It's getting worse.

I think it's because of the F1 thing.

Yeah, they're changing everything.

I mean, hopefully, it'll be Elon Musk will fix it with this underground thing.

Yeah, they just built like eight more.

Or they got approved for some more.

But I mean, there's this whole underground thing.

But the Raiders, too, they're preparing for the Super Bowl traffic next year, too.

And then we got the A's.

I mean, that's not, is that 100%?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it is.

They're building stadiums.

That's good.

I mean, the Knights are going to obviously win the Stanley Cup.

They're up 12.

I mean, they're going to crush them two games in a row.

We'll see.

And then, you know, we got the Raiders, and we got that.

The Raiders are not the best, but it's an attraction.

It's a draw.

It's a cool stadium.

I mean, it's the people they play.

It's not the Raiders.

Yes.

Oh, that's true.

Like, every time there's a game in Vegas, like, we went to see the Chiefs.

There was like more Chiefs fans than Raiders fans at the game.

That's the reason to come out here and gamble.

Yeah, come, let's go to the game.

It's so awesome.

I don't know how we got on that tangent, but I love Vegas.

I love gambling.

I love the social media thing.

It's a lot of fun.

Now, you come from a family of success.

You could have never worked if you didn't want to your whole life.

Yeah, right.

I don't know if he would have let that fly.

I made him work at a coffee shop when he first got out of coffee.

Oh, for him.

So he keeps you motivated, or do you keep it?

Oh, definitely.

Well, he, I mean, I don't know if he keeps me motivated.

Let's hear about this.

What do I, he definitely

guides me and tells me what I should be doing.

When I dropped out of college, he said, you got to get a job and have no choice.

I wasn't very thrilled about it.

You didn't drop out of college.

You finished early.

Yes,

finished early.

Yeah, no.

I got

on to the club.

Yeah, he didn't drop out of college.

My son's not academically suspended three semesters in a row because I just never went to class.

But he said, get a job.

So I got a job because your friend referred me to a job at Coffee Bean.

And then I worked there until I finally saw an opportunity to become an entrepreneur similar to what he did.

And that was crypto in 2017, like January.

And then

that all got started.

And then we rolled that into this.

It was good times.

I always like to joke that, you know, when you say my influence, no one's entirely worthless.

You can always serve as a bad example.

That's a fact.

Interesting.

So, but it's true because, like, they say your kids are like the opposite of their parents, right?

Really?

Yeah, so I'm more like my grandfather.

He's more like you.

Yeah.

Well, no, he's the opposite of me.

Like, you know, because I love drinking.

He doesn't drink.

You know, I'm like a degenerate gambler.

He doesn't even gamble with his own money.

He only gambles with my money.

He's like,

he only gambles with my money.

But he's like, he's got none of my bad habits.

And that's all because because of the bad example that I set as to what not to do.

This is an excellent parenting strategy.

So lead by example.

Yes, no one is entirely worthless.

You can always serve as a bad example.

Right.

What's next for you guys?

That's a good question.

I mean, I don't know how big this thing can get.

I think you guys need to do a show, actual show.

I would watch that.

Yeah, I think you guys, the actual show.

We talked about that.

The clips and stuff is cool, but I think you guys need to format a show.

Yeah, bring a celebrity every episode and gamble with them.

Yeah.

Well, then, you know, I'm sure like Netflix or who should we do it with?

They could reach out to us after the Sean Kelly podcast.

VH1 will possibly pick it up.

VH1 will pick it up.

Maybe kick.

Kick.

Let's go.

Kick.

They just signed a bunch of people, right?

Yeah,

what's the other one?

Rumble, probably.

Rumble.

Rumble probably.

It's got to be kind of edgy because Twitch wouldn't touch gambling, I don't think.

Yeah, you guys, I think you guys need to formulate a show, figure out a treatment that'll be

based around you guys' lifestyle and life of a gambler.

Like, you really gamble every day.

We'd gamble every day.

I think it's interesting, especially slots.

I mean, I think,

what would you say the percentage is of how many people actually play slots?

It's higher than any other game.

Yeah, I mean, that's all the casino revenue.

It's the most popular.

Right.

Yeah, for sure.

So you guys would actually draw more people in because you actually win, you have a formula.

Who actually has a formula to slots?

Like, that's like rare, bro.

Very few.

I mean, but people love slots.

I mean, it's mind-blowing, you know, walking through the casinos and how many people have seen our stuff and enjoy it.

And again, we don't play like a million, bazillion dollars.

We just kind of show, I think that's why people can relate.

It's like, so that's a regular dude, like a regular 59-year-old retired guy that gambles every single day.

There's a lot of people that live in Vegas.

You see them at, you know, at GVR and M there every night, you know, drinking their free Justin Cabernet and playing, you know, money.

And they're like, wow, how do you do this every single day?

How do you, do you win?

Do you lose?

You know, and we win some, we lose some.

And And

it's just kind of like documenting the journey.

But yeah, for sure, we could do a show.

So as far as where it goes, I don't know.

I'm really stoked we're about to get our, what did we get?

100,000 silver playbooks on YouTube?

Yeah, our silver playbook.

We're getting 85,000 today on YouTube, and we're gaining about a thousand subscribers a day.

Next month.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So we'll hit that and then just keep building it.

And then I look forward to traveling around the world.

Like I'm going on a cruise from Venice, Italy, and I'm just going to be gambling on the cruise.

Wow.

Are you going to film that?

Yeah, but he says I do a crappy job of filming.

Like I went to Monte Carlo.

You're not going?

Yeah, I haven't been invited on that one.

I mean, I told mom you should go, but then I don't know.

And then

you got to hang out with mom, too.

Yeah.

So,

but I went all the way to Monte Carlo, and I was like, I thought I was doing such a good job of like filming myself.

It's terrible.

And then he's like, I'm like, when are you posting the Monte Carlo video?

You know, like, I flew all the way there and filmed the whole time.

He's like, it's complete and utter s ⁇ .

You can't post it.

He goes, if you post a video, you know, then people are going to not watch it and then it infects the next videos.

I'm like, post that.

So that's, I mean, that's how we talk to each other.

Very gentle.

Yeah.

He said, very gentle.

At least you're honest.

But Monte Carlo is really cool, though.

If you ever have a chance, like, to, you know, we talk about gambling outside the country, like, you know, some of the Central American third-world casinos, it's the small ones.

I'm not, I'm, I'm a little suspect, but but Monte Carlo, everyone should go there once.

That one's good.

Oh, my God.

It is so cool.

Like, Monaco is an amazing country, beautiful.

Like, I think everyone drives a Bugatti.

You know, it's that kind of place.

I think Andrew Tate would live there.

But it's like, it's like a beautiful country.

And then this casino, you got to get dressed up to go into it.

You got to have your passport, pay like 40 euros to get in.

Very fancy.

I like snuck my camera in.

I'm playing huff and puff.

You know, you guys go, you got to, you flew all the way there.

You got a crappy 30-second huff and puff video.

But anyway, go.

You live and you learn.

Yeah.

Any closing comments, guys?

Well, I have one.

I think that you might have said, like, we win gambling.

I think think it's important for people to realize that we don't win.

We lose like everybody else.

We try to be intelligent, like, using your players' card.

But I think anybody who's out here saying that they win all the time gambling is just promoting a bad message and teaching people that it's possible when it may be for a very, very tiny percentage of the population.

But generally, you should expect that you're going to lose and just have fun.

Gotcha.

I mean, that's very good advice.

And half the people, I mean, almost all the people that I've seen talking about how they they win at gambling are,

there are factual misrepresentations in what they're saying.

Right.

And most, and the people who actually win at gambling aren't going on podcasts talking about how to do it.

Right.

You know, and that's that's the thing.

It's just gambling is just recreation.

Have fun with it.

And if you get a big win, book it.

Quit while you're ahead.

100%.

That's the real deal.

Wayne.

Gamble to win.

Have fun.

Gamble responsibly, guys.

Thanks for tuning in.

Digital Social Hour.

See you next time.

Peace.

See ya.

Thanks.

Nice.