CBlez On Running a $10M Sports Card Company, Getting Scammed & Most Expensive Sports Card | DSH #172

Sports card legend C Blaz.

It's a pretty lucrative industry from what I've heard.

Who's your goat, NBA?

My goat is not Jordan.

Whoa.

It's LeBron.

For me, it's just I gotta see it with my own two eyes.

I'm 27.

I didn't really see Jordan in his prime, and I just don't know how you could do better than LeBron.

Welcome back to the show, guys.

Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly, here with an awesome guest today, sports card legend C.

Blez.

What's going on?

I'm happy to be here.

Thanks for having me on, Sean.

I'm excited for today.

Man, I can't wait to dive into sports cards.

It's a pretty lucrative industry, from what I've heard.

The hobby, there's a lot of money to be made in the hobby if you know what you're doing, of course.

And I think it's the most fun industry in the world.

Yeah.

I love sports cards.

I love everything about it.

Yeah, you get to open up packs of sports cards all day and make money doing it.

Yeah.

Honestly, I've been doing sports cards my whole life, and it's a family thing.

My brothers have been in it, and we're kind of just living out what we did as kids, as adults.

And you can't ask for anything more than that.

Yeah.

What was that breaking point for you where you decided this is a business?

Like, how did you make that first million?

So,

honestly, I was, my brothers started a breaking company called blaz sports cards in 2016 i was still in college i was in penns i was in penn state

and

i was always in the hobby they were always in the hobby and the industry wasn't that hot back in 2016 it's not like it is today

but we were growing a little bit as the months went on and i just knew that I was always going to come right in, even if the business wasn't like so big like it is today.

We were small at the time, but I knew that I could provide good value to the company just because I've been in sports cards my whole life.

So I didn't even like look for jobs really.

I kind of knew that I was going to go into cards.

And yeah, I just, once 2017 hit, they actually moved the business from New York to Vegas.

I came out here and I just pretty much been working with my brothers the whole, the whole time.

It's been like seven years.

And we've been growing ever since.

And if you asked how I made my first million, back in 2017, 2018,

all the cards were so underpriced because you look at it, the hype wasn't there.

Gary Vee, he was talking about cards.

He was bringing the hype with him.

So pretty much in 2017, 2018, 2019, I bought as many cards as I possibly could.

It was a quantity game.

I wasn't really looking at the high-end stuff.

I was looking to buy like Prism base cards, grade them.

I would buy the cards for like anywhere from 10 to 25 bucks, grade them for 10, and then try to sell them for, let's say, like 70, 80.

Wow.

But the thing was, the industry was peaking every day.

So the cards were actually going up.

So basically, it's like, oh, I was going to sell them for 70, 80, and then I was getting the cards back, and all of a sudden they're worth 250.

And then a week later, all of a sudden they're worth 350.

And it just kept on going and going and going.

So I kind of, I didn't know this was going to happen, but i kind of had a good feeling that a lot of people were going to come into the industry so i i bought as many cards as i could specifically luka doncichic

because he was the third pick he came in and a lot of people didn't know much about him because he was in europe yeah but he was he was the mvp of the league and i had a hunch that he was going to be maybe not as good as he is now, but I thought he was going to be one of the best players in the league.

So I bought all the Luka cards I could.

I graded them all.

And honestly, I made millions with Luka Doncic by himself.

Jeez.

Because if you had the right cards, they went up 30x

in

about a year.

It wasn't that long of a timeframe.

So all the Luka cards, I bought them and I did a quantity game as many as I could.

And I made a few million just in Luka Doncic.

So you bought them before he even played a single game?

I mean, if you remember his rookie year, he wasn't that great.

He was like, he wasn't what he is today.

I bought them like throughout the rookie year.

Okay.

Yeah.

Wow.

And he went off his second year, right?

His second year, he came out of the gate averaging like 30, 10, and 10.

Yeah, I remember that.

That was crazy.

And it was like right out of the gate.

And everyone was just going crazy about him.

And he also, like, as he played well, the industry kept getting more hype because we don't see young players play that well like so often.

Right.

And he kind of started the trend.

And now a lot of young players are superstars at a young age.

But he was like fueling the hobby to get bigger.

So how much does a major sporting event, like if you win the championship, affect the price of sports cards?

It used to be massive, but now everyone thinks if you win a championship, it's going to go up.

So it actually goes down now.

Really?

Yeah, it's insane.

Oh, wow.

It basically, it's all supply and demand just with anything in life.

It's like when they win the championship in the modern day, like today, everyone's thinking, oh, I want to sell him when he wins the championship, but that you actually want to sell him a month before when the hype's at peak

because that's when people are buying to speculate if they will win the championship or not.

Once they actually win, no one's selling.

I mean, no one's buying at that time because they think he's hot.

Everyone's selling and then it makes the market go down.

Wow, that's interesting.

But two, three years ago, no one like they didn't really know.

If it, like, the public didn't know if they win or what happens, what makes the car goes up.

So it actually did go up like two, three years ago.

But now it's going to flip-flop again.

Winning championships in two, three years will probably make your card values go up once everyone thinks it doesn't.

But right now they think it does.

So it's actually bad.

Interesting.

Now you did 50 mil last year.

Your business has done $100 million in sales in the past three years.

Can you explain your business model for people that don't know what sports breaking is?

So we take a box, let's say Prism, Tops Chrome, and we sell it in a different way where we divide it up by the team.

So every league pretty much has 30 teams.

So we'll price each team.

Let's say it's baseball.

The Yankees will be 100.

The Angels will be 50, depending on what you could get out of that specific box.

So basically 30 people are pooling their money together to get whatever comes out of the box.

And then usually there's like 100 or 200 cards in a box.

Whatever team comes out, We take the cards.

We divide it up.

Who bought each team?

We ship them out.

And then the customer is free to do whatever they want from there.

And what's the most expensive card you've pulled on stream?

Honestly, a lot of the times we pull cards and then they go up tremendously over time because a lot of this business is driven off rookies.

And when you pull a big rookie card, it's their first year.

So usually it's like you got to wait until they become superstars.

But I pulled a Kobe logo man card from the last time he was ever in the highest end product called Flawless.

It was a 101 Logo Man autograph.

I pulled it in 2018.

And the guy sold it for $50,000 at the time.

And it's probably worth like $2,3 million today.

What?

Yeah.

One card is worth $2 million?

Yeah, and it's a modern card.

A lot of the times you see cards selling for $5 million, it's like from the 50s, the 40s, the old baseball stuff.

It's rare you see like a card from like 2019 going for millions.

Wait, there's cards that sell for over 5 million, you said?

Yes.

A Mickey Mantle, not even a PSA 10.

It was an SGC 9.

I think it just sold for like 12.5 million.

Holy crap.

So people got to look through their attics and find those cards.

That's the thing.

A lot of the cards were like thrown away, but that's actually why the cards are worth so much because the supply is low.

But if you're out there at home and thinking, oh, I might have some cards, it's definitely worth it to look through your stuff and see what you have.

Because you might have something you don't know is worth it.

Bro, every time I see those Pokemon card prices, I get so mad.

I used to have all those cards, those Charizards and stuff.

You had first edition?

I might have.

I don't know.

That's like where the real money is.

Right.

I definitely had the holographic Charizard and Bulbasaur or whatever, all those cards.

And they're like over 100 G's now.

Pokemon's massive now.

Yeah.

It's come up a lot in the last couple of years.

So what's the most expensive card you personally have owned?

For me, the most expensive card I've owned.

I flipped a card for like a 40k profit.

It was a Luca 101 rookie card from Mosaic.

But honestly, like, I think I lost a lot because I bought the card for 20,000.

I sold it for like 69,000.

After fees, I made 40.

But this was like in 2020.

And Luca wasn't what he was like today, obviously.

So I honestly think I could have sold the card for like two

or three hundred thousand, but I sold it for 70, which I'm happy with, obviously.

But sometimes you got to look at like opportunity costs.

It's like if I held on to the card for another year, I probably would have made another 50 to 100,000.

So I didn't actually technically lose money, but I didn't make as much as I could have.

Wow.

Now, I know you're one of the biggest sports card companies in the world.

What impact has social media had on your business?

Social media is massive.

It's massive.

If you look at a lot of people in cards, social media is something that they didn't really do four or five years ago.

The industry was dead with social.

So to me, that means there's so much opportunity.

And I've been doing a lot of social media stuff since 2017, 2018.

And it's been amazing.

You pick up customers.

You just get, you stay relevant.

Staying relevant is the most important thing, especially in the modern day, because if you don't do it, someone else will.

And then you're going to lose market cap on those people because

you post every day on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, whatever.

People want to see that stuff.

They want to be engaged.

It's not just,

it's about the stories, the drama.

People love that stuff.

They don't just want to see the cards being opened.

They want the stories that go with it.

Nice.

I noticed a few years ago when I was in the space, there seemed to be a divide with the older people and the people using social media.

Is there still a divide?

Yeah, there definitely is.

They don't like it, right?

They don't like the way the new industry is heading.

The older people, I mean, I'm an old school guy at heart.

I'm young, but I align with the young people and the old people because I've been in the hobby for 20 years.

But the old people,

they don't like the brash, loud,

they just don't understand social media as much, I would say.

And they think that it's like

kids running around and it's bad for the hobby and all this stuff, but it's actually good because you want any when you're getting more eyeballs on something,

they might not buy today, but you're in their head.

And then eventually it's like they're going to make a purchase with you.

And then if they like the experience, they're going to stay with you.

And a lot of that's driven through social media.

Yeah, I remember when the Jordan documentary came out, his cards skyrocketed.

And that was through social media, basically.

Exactly.

It's like card shows too, like the nationals coming up, card shows.

People want to see hype on social media or else they're probably, they're less likely to go.

It's the same thing with anything in life.

It's like the content is, I wouldn't say it's the most important thing, but it's definitely up there in terms of the most important.

Yeah.

So what goes down at these card shows?

Because I see them in Vegas and Atlantic City, I think.

Yeah, last year was Atlantic City.

Yeah, like what actually goes down?

It depends on the show, but a lot of the time there's just a ton of deal making.

It's like, if you want to go into a show and spend 50, 100,000 and just buy a ton of stuff, you can easily.

But a lot of people are buying them to make products themselves.

When you were in, I don't think a lot of people were doing repack products.

No, they'll buy a ton of singles.

They'll package it up and sell it on their channel, just like the singles.

But that's what a lot of people are doing at shows.

They're going to buy those cards.

And then a lot of the shows is just hanging out with people that like are in the hobby, like your friends.

You just want to hang out.

The national coming up, I'm just...

I'm not going to do that many deals.

I'm going to mostly just like hang out.

There's business meetings because everyone's going to be there that's like on the business side of it.

So yeah, I mean, the show, the Mint Collective, that's one of the biggest.

They have it.

It's in Vegas here.

That one's like the national.

It's more about like meeting people,

networking, stuff like that.

It's just, you could, you could kind of make the show whatever experience you want, depending on what you're in the mood to do.

Like recently, I haven't been doing much like flipping because it's become more difficult.

I'm more holding.

So it's like there's less reason for me to go to a show right now because I'm not flipping as much.

I'm more just like holding stuff.

Right.

Now I've been scammed before in the card space.

So I'm curious if you've been scammed because I know it's like a small world and you have a good name.

So I'm wondering if anyone's dumb enough to have tried to scam you.

I've definitely been scammed a bunch.

The thing with me is...

In 2018, 2019, I was buying so much quantity that I didn't even know if I got scammed.

Like I could have been scammed like 20, 30 times.

But like, you know, when you buy a card on eBay, it's like you check to see who it came from, you leave feedback, all this stuff.

I would buy, open all my mail and not even like check.

It's like, oh, I bought 50 cards.

I might have bought like 70 cards, but like, I don't even know I got scammed because I just, it was like whatever I had.

I was just wrong.

Cause I knew the money was so good.

Right.

That's the thing.

It was like,

it was so easy.

So it's like, even if I got scammed for 10, 20% back in the day, I was making 200, 300%.

So I just looked at it.

It's a waste of time to even check and leave feedback.

It was a waste of time for me because I knew if I was spending time buying more cards, I was actually making way more money.

So back in the day, I didn't really check.

But in terms of recent scams,

I mean,

people think that it's way more common than it is.

I would say it does happen in the card space, but it happens in any space.

I honestly thought that people would be scamming less in the modern day because I thought with social media and stuff, it'd be harder.

But it seems like the scams have been ramping up.

I think because of the economy and the recession.

That's a good point.

Yeah.

I mean, I got scammed, but it was definitely my fault.

Like I fronted some guys some cases and stuff and he just never paid me.

So

I put blame on myself.

You were big in the wax game, right?

Huge in the wax game.

That was my game.

Just wax.

You could do really well in wax.

You can.

If you got the connections, you could just make 5%, 10% a case and just drop ship them, flip them.

That's the thing.

Yeah, you don't even really have to hold on to it.

If you know a good source, that you could get wax, ship it to the other person, make a quick 5%.

You just got to sell volume at that point.

Yeah, that's what I was doing.

All right.

So let's get into some goat debate here.

Who's your goat?

NBA.

My goat is not Jordan.

Whoa.

It's LeBron.

Ooh, you're going to get some hate for me.

First, I say what Brandon Miller said.

It's my goat's Paul George.

It's Paul George.

I saw that clip.

Why do you have LeBron over MJ?

For me, it's just, I got to see it with my own two eyes.

I'm 27.

I didn't really see Jordan in his prime, and I just don't know how you could be better than LeBron.

I get the instinct fact of it, but LeBron's, he's the best athlete.

He's 6'8, 250.

He improved his shooting throughout his career.

And I think, I don't know, there's multiple ways to play a good brand of basketball.

I don't think he does it the same as the Warriors used to do it, but the way that he, him by himself, I just think that

you can't really be better than him.

Yeah.

Do you think he'll catch up to rings with Jordan?

He needs two more.

Two more at a time.

No.

Yeah, he's getting old.

But this is my argument.

I think Jordan played in a soft era in terms of talent.

Look at the talent that was in the league.

I think it was like Drexler, Hakeem,

Bird, Magic.

I honestly don't know who played at the exact timing, timing, but all I do know is LeBron played against Golden State every single year, and that was the best team of all time.

So when you're playing against the Warriors, I think they play, what, like three, four times?

Four times, I think, yeah.

It's the same thing with James Harden.

People say James Harden's not a winner, but look who he had to play.

When you're playing against Golden State every year,

look at the lines on the finals when the Cavs played Golden State.

I think one of them, Golden State was like minus 700.

It's like LeBron ended up winning one out of the four, or they might have played three.

But I just think you look at guys like Durant, Giannis, Kyrie,

Steph,

all these guys, I think like the seventh or eighth best player in the league today would be like the second best player in the league back in the day.

Wow.

Like Jokic and Bede.

People think, oh, the league's soft today.

They wouldn't be able to survive.

But I think it's the opposite.

I think the league back in the day just didn't have as much talent.

And when you don't have as much talent, you have to make the game ugly.

You got to play rugged.

You can't like, you can't play how the Warriors play because you don't have the talent to do it.

So I think LeBron's playing against a tougher field, and that's why I think he's better because he almost has the same resume in terms of championships.

He's got the most points.

So I think it's, he just played against tougher competition.

That's why I think he's better.

I agree, man.

I mean, we'll get some hate for this, but it just seems like when you watch the game today compared to the 80s or 90s, it's like they don't look as athletic almost.

Exactly, yeah.

Every four-man in the league can shoot the three.

Every five could shoot a mid-range jumper today.

Back in the day, it was back down to the post and just try to get a hook shot or whatever.

Yeah, for sure.

It's weird.

So why do guys like Mike Trout, Michael Rubin, and Steve Aoki follow you?

Honestly, they want the hobby expertise.

I'm looked at as a guy who is towards the top of the hobby.

I don't really like to brag or whatever, but I post a lot about sports cards.

I also do some sports betting stuff, but I like to spread the knowledge.

I like to educate people because my philosophy at the core is if everybody knows more about sports cards, they're going to make more educated purchases and they're going to stick around.

I don't like when people get burned because people come in.

A guy like Mike Trout, for example, if he's going to come in and spend $400 or $500,000, I want him to get good value.

I want him to to learn.

I want him to not lose a lot of his money.

So when I post these card videos, they're perfect for a guy like him to understand, oh, you might want to do this, you might not want to do this, because if you do this, you're going to lose a lot.

So a lot of the bigger people out there, they're trying to learn about cards and there's not that much knowledge.

A lot of the people are just putting out content to sell.

I put out content to educate, to entertain.

So it's a little bit different.

I'm talking specifically in sports cards.

Most people, they just, they want to sell their boxes.

They want to sell their cards.

For me, I do that with Blaz, but personally, I'm just more looking to educate and show people that you can actually make money in sports cards.

You could do well if you know what you're doing.

Yeah.

Cause a lot of people will probably just try to offload stuff on them and they get a terrible deal.

Well, the thing is not that many people are educated.

It's tough to learn.

Yeah.

Like the, I'm sure you know this.

When you come in, it's like there's no handbook of like rules of what to do in sports cards.

You have to like learn yourself.

It was tough.

Yeah.

Made a lot of, took a lot of L's at first, for sure.

That's the thing.

Most people take L's.

That's actually normal.

But I'm trying to save people from taking those original L's by telling them

just what it is.

Yeah.

What other celebrities and athletes have you seen in the space?

Honestly, there's a ton.

There's, I went live with a ton of guys, two or three.

Giannis is in there.

Yeah.

LeBron's in there.

Giannis posted something showing a lot of his 101 cards.

So he's the one buying those?

I think he just keeps them.

Because Panini sends him the cards to have signed, and they have to send him back.

And he doesn't send them back?

I think Giannis, he keeps some of his bigger cards.

It's actually so funny.

That shouldn't be allowed.

It's not.

Honestly, I think he posted it, and then like four or five hours later, he took it down because I don't think he's allowed to do it.

Yeah, because people are opening these packs expecting a chance at least to get it.

And you couldn't even pull his 101.

It's so funny.

But other than that, you got guys like LeBron.

He's actually said in an interview that he has one of his cards confirmed.

There's a lot of like mid-level baseball guys who collect.

Carlos Rodon, he collects.

Seth Curry, I went live with him.

He collects.

There's a ton.

Honestly, it's hard to to just think of them all.

That's cool.

It's cool to see that the actual athletes are getting into it.

And I think in the future, they're going to get more into it because

Fanatics is coming into the industry and they're tight with the leagues.

So I think that there's a chance that this becomes even bigger.

Wow.

It's not a chance.

It should happen.

Yeah.

So you think Fanatics is going to do more damage than Panini did?

They're going to do it a different way.

I think that they're going to try and, with Panini, it was more about like the products, like Prism, Flawless National Treasures.

It's like they knew they had that.

So let's just

pump that out.

With Fanatics, I think they're going to take more of the approach of getting the athletes involved, changing the landscape of card shows potentially.

And I think that overall,

it's going to be great.

Yeah, I wouldn't bet against Fanatics.

I mean, they just dominate every industry they touch.

That's the thing.

It's like

they're doing sports betting.

They're doing sports straight up.

They're pretty much the biggest in the whole sports landscape.

Yeah, they're massive.

One of the things I like about you is you post your sports bets, but even when you're wrong, you keep it up.

Yeah, that's the thing.

I'm very real with everything.

Most people,

my sports picks, if I lose, I lose.

I got to tell the truth.

Bro, I read the comments and it's so funny.

The comments.

Because a lot of people, they don't want me to post betting content because they're so deep in the cards.

And they're like, oh, like, please, like, please, we beg you, like, more cards.

And it's like, I'm not done with cards.

I've been in cards for 20 straight years and I'm not going anywhere.

But it's like, sometimes I want to do sports betting too.

So it's like, yeah, the comments are insane.

No, they're too funny, man.

What's your win percentage?

Are you profitable on sports betting?

In my lifetime, I'm not up, but in the last like two, three years, I've been winning.

Okay.

So at least you're honest.

Yeah, but I'm

kind of learned.

I learned things not to do.

I sharpened up in certain spots.

And yeah, I'm down overall.

But in the last few years, it's been good.

What's your best sport to bet on?

NFL.

NFL.

Yeah.

Now, do you believe any sports leagues or teams are rigged?

Because I see theories online.

That's the best question.

I think it's all rigged.

All of it?

Not all of it, but I think...

I think with sports betting getting so mainstream these days, there's no choice but to be a little bit rigged.

And by that, I mean,

I don't know if it's Vegas or the leagues, but I think certain outcomes are better than others.

So I think that when you look at sports betting, for example, when there's billions of dollars on a game, it's like you would think that someone's making a phone call somewhere.

Especially in football and basketball when it's like so subjective, a lot of the calls, like pass interference or a foul call or a travel,

you could call it or you could not call it.

So I think that when there's a lot of money on a certain side, I think it's the refs getting a call from someone.

Maybe not during the game, but I think maybe pre-game, they're like, oh, you want to favor it one way?

It's like if you look at the NBA playoffs, when the Celtics were down 3-0,

the NBA doesn't want the Celtics to lose that next game.

Look at the outcome that happened and how good that was for the league.

It went to seven.

So it's like you get three more, you get four more full games to sell whatever they're going to sell.

They're making millions of dollars.

It's like, why wouldn't the NBA want the Celtics at that point?

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, so they don't like sweeps.

And I saw you bet when they were down 3-0.

You bet on them to win it all, right?

I bet on Miami hard every game.

I bet on them after game three.

I doubled down.

I triple down.

I quadruple down.

And I thought the series had a chance to go six or seven.

But I knew the Heat weren't going to win because it was 150-0.

A team has never come back from 3-0 in the final or in any round yeah they've come back from 3-1 LeBron did it against Golden State but a team's never come back from 3-0 so I knew I was going to win that so I just kept betting it but

the overarching factor of the NBA wanting it to go more games did kind of hurt me but I don't know I think that especially in football too it's like we can't see if there's a holding or a pass interference every time.

Yeah.

And it's or roughing the passer.

Why does it feel like in the fourth quarter when a team's down they're getting more roughing the passers more penalties that's true they like to make those games close that's that's what they're going for yeah it's like wwe they admit that it's staged and people love it and they admit it but

i think there's a chance especially football and basketball i think there's a chance that before the game refs are getting calls oh we want to lean a certain way and give them give them some calls yeah i think it's possible when there's that much money on the line i mean you you said billions on certain games.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's billions, but sports betting is a billion-dollar industry.

And over the past like two, three years, it's gotten way bigger.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I know that you could take like a random 50, 60-year-old guy or woman, and there's a chance that they're betting on sports.

It's probably like a 20, 30% chance as opposed to like two, three years ago.

A person like that, a person like that would hate it.

They wouldn't be sports betting.

But now if you go to the sports book, you're going to see, you could see anyone.

For sure.

What sports do you think are overrated to watch in person and you'd rather watch at home on the couch?

I think the best sport at home is probably football.

Also, because there's so much going on at once, it's like, I don't really want to watch one game.

I want to watch like red zone and see more of the games.

Yeah.

So I like to watch football at home, but I think hockey is the best in person.

For sure.

Like going to the Knights games, have you been?

They're insane.

It's lit, bro.

And I don't even like watching it at home.

Yeah.

Hockey, like, it's my fourth favorite, but going to the game is amazing.

Yeah.

Yeah, for real.

Like, I went to a Rangers game when I lived in Jersey, and it was like the best time I've had.

Yeah,

it's great.

But

you're from Jersey?

Yeah.

Oh, nice.

You too?

I'm from New York.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

East Coasters got to stick together, man.

For sure, yeah.

No hate to West Coasters, but they'd be acting different.

Like their mentality is different.

How long have you been in Vegas?

Two and a half years.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

What about you?

Seven.

I'm like a West Coaster now.

Yeah, you pretty much are.

Are you going to stay here forever?

I think I'm always going to have like a home base here.

Vegas is great.

It's cheap here.

A lot of people are moving here.

Yeah.

And the lifestyle, you have everything here.

Like I'm in Summerlin where it's like quiet.

It feels like it's like the suburbs.

And then you got the whole strip.

You got all the action.

You got all sports teams coming.

Basketball is coming.

You got the sphere

the sphere is sphere is wild have you done any content there no but i saw they did a basketball on it the other day yeah this that's like things like that are so good for vegas yeah i love stuff like that yeah vegas you never run out of stuff to do man that's the beauty yeah in jersey you get bored it's just not much to do honestly

at least you were in new york where you had manhattan like jersey was nothing no i agree Especially when it gets like late at night.

It's like Vegas is a 24-hour city.

Yeah.

You could always find something to do here.

You and Night All?

I'm like both.

It depends.

Is that possible?

Like recently I've been a morning person, but usually I'm a night person.

I didn't know you could be both, but do you sleep like four hours sometimes?

Yeah.

Like I'm like a binger.

Like sometimes I'll like

sometimes I'll just like stay up all night and sometimes I'll just like be up in the morning.

You're wired.

Yeah.

Nah, I need my beauty sleep, man.

I get grumpy.

I don't get sleep.

What do you sleep like?

Seven, eight hours?

That's pretty solid.

Yeah, I'm pretty tall, so I feel like my body needs a little extra time to recover.

I don't know.

It could be a weird.

What are you, 6'7?

6'6.

Yeah, with the fro.

Should be in the league.

I know.

We got a hoop, bro.

Yeah, we do.

You nice or?

Probably not like you, but I'm decent.

I'm decent.

What are you working on next, man?

And where can people find you?

You could find me on every social media, see Blaz, Blaz Sports Cards on everything.

I'm just trying to grow the hobby, just trying to break with Blaz.

And sports cards is my number one thing, but I'm also looking for opportunities if anything arises to do anything big.

I'm more of, I chase passion over money.

So

if I, if I really am into something, if I fall in love with something, I'm going to put my life into it.

And so far, my life's been sports cards and sports.

And that's what I want.

But If opportunities come up where I see some passion that I could carry out and do well with it, I'm going to chase my passion.

Absolutely.

Love that, man.

Well, thanks for watching, guys.

It was a great episode.

I'll see you next time.

Peace.