Gary Brecka and Sage Workinger On Fluoride, EMF, Obesity Rates & Launch Of New Podcast | DSH #174

You know what's it we went so viral, but here's the problem, to be honest with you.

She's out trending me.

If you get the anniversary date, it'll make up for it.

Oh god, he's never gonna get that either.

February 3rd.

5th.

Oh.

What year?

Sean, you're

never coming on this podcast again.

Welcome back, guys.

Digital Social Hour.

I got some returning guests for you guys today.

Gary Brecken, Sage Workinger.

How's it going, guys?

It's going amazing, man.

Thank you for having us back.

Absolutely.

I mean, we went so viral the first time.

We had to run it back.

Crazy.

You know,

we went so viral, but here's the problem, to be honest with you.

She's out trending me

by like a million views.

And And it's really starting to bother me.

It really was.

It was becoming a competition.

And I think I still have the biggest video if we're comparing ours.

You do.

Now, maybe you have more collectively views, but I still have...

There's that one who win like almost 10 million views or something.

Yeah, so I'm making like all these fake accounts and I'm kind of like one starring her show.

Oh, that's good.

That's your mastermind.

Yeah, okay.

You're like Damon underscore 254.

That's me.

Get you on my feet every day.

What's the latest in health hacks since we've last spoke dude there's so many i mean i'm i'm still a huge fan of breathwork red light therapy or natural sunlight grounding um but you know the field of of anti-aging longevity biohacking is growing so fast and now the science is finally catching up yeah meaning we've got real empirical data like real evidence-based um peer-reviewed published you know studies being done on human beings and and i think post-pandemic people are a lot more receptive to wellness and longevity and biohacking because they realize that, you know, a giant farce was just perpetrated on them.

And they realized that, hey, I got to take health into my own hands here.

Right.

So you guys aren't getting as much hate?

Not getting nearly as much.

I still get shadow banned a lot if I talk about seed oils or the vaccine.

I had to stop talking about that.

I just said the V-word.

You just lost a million views right there.

Cut that out.

I had to start censoring it for real.

Yeah.

Yeah, people people can be,

people are angry one way or the other.

And it just, I think a lot of it has to do with what state

are you living in and what are they feeding you?

Yeah.

Because we live in Florida.

And I mean, we live in Naples, Florida.

I think we went on lockdown for like two and a half weeks.

And then everybody was like, okay, that was good.

But we're over it now.

Yeah, Florida did it right.

Yeah.

They were like the only state.

Yeah, we really were.

But we got a lot of

fallout from this.

You know, it really devastated a lot of immune systems because I have a saying that aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort.

And what I mean by that is that people are unwilling, in a lot of cases, to put themselves in a little bit of discomfort in order to

strengthen themselves.

And not all stress is bad for the body, right?

I mean, we know if you don't load a bone, it won't strengthen.

If you don't tear a muscle, it doesn't grow.

If you don't challenge the immune system, it weakens.

And you're seeing the byproduct of a globally weakened immune system now, social distancing, residential quarantining,

you know, masking.

Human beings were really meant to be in the proximity of other human beings and exchange different pathogens and keep a strong immune system.

So now there's all kinds of, I think we're in our eighth variant of Omicron and

monkey box.

I'm like, what the monkey box?

Masks are coming back out.

And the biggest thing that I learned from so many doctors that will actually speak out about it, masks don't work.

Right.

If anything, like what did they, one doctor,

neurosurgeon told told us six viruses can fit in the hole of every one of those blue masks that people were wearing.

And that's like a medical mask.

That's not like the makeshift bandanas that people were starting to wear at one point.

But it also can get through your tear ducts.

So we can all pretend maybe it helps.

Maybe it helps if somebody's sneezing nearby.

But ultimately,

masks were not created to prevent all of that.

Well, we just weren't right off the cliffs.

Sorry, you can cut that part out too.

Yeah, we're starting off strong here.

Yeah, we're starting off strong.

That's going to go viral.

I'm going to get so much fun.

We're going to get censored.

Sean's going to disappear.

Sean's going to hang himself on the bag.

You guys look better every time I see you, which should be the opposite, right?

But you're looking better.

Yeah.

You're feeling more.

Especially with our travel schedule.

It's insane.

This week we're like Miami, Vegas.

Yeah, Miami, Austin, Vegas, LA.

All in a week?

Yes.

Oh, Miami, Austin, Vegas, LA, Dubai, Abu Dhabi.

That's insane.

Yeah.

Abu Abu Dhabi.

Yeah, we're traveling in the Middle East at like probably the worst time possible, but they say it's safe.

That's scary.

And I see you traveling without what's that water bottle saw in your so it's it's a hydrogen water filtration bottle um it's called an echo and essentially what it does is it adds hydrogen to the water okay and i think the best water that you can put in a human body is hydrogen water i mean there's lots of different types of water out there spring water there's distilled water there's there's alkaline water um you know we sold a big marketing myth to the public that alkaline water could make the body alkaline, which is apparently false.

It's, you know, it's buffered in the stomach.

So if you have a choice and you want to drink, you know, the best water, a reverse osmosis filter that then adds hydrogen to the water

is arguably, you know, the best water ounce for ounce you can put in the human body.

There's a whole class of bacteria in our gut called hydrophiles.

And, you know, it increases the absorption of nutrients.

It increases absorption of your supplements.

It actually does have

electrons to donate.

So it can actually change the pH of the environment that it's in.

Wow.

That's crazy, because I drank alkaline water for years, so it had no health benefits.

Well, it's not that it doesn't have any health benefits, it's just that it's not going to make your you're not getting any alkaline benefit.

I mean, the fact that it's probably alkaline that it's alkaline means it was probably filtered, so it doesn't have fluoride, doesn't have chlorine,

you know, very likely doesn't have microplastics and some of the other things that are in pharmaceuticals that are in water.

So from that standpoint, it's excellent.

You know, filtered water is much better than tap water.

In fact, tap water is probably one of the top three things that I think people shouldn't permanently get out of their lives.

Really?

Right.

If they take nothing else from this podcast today,

other than the fact that you should permanently stop drinking tap water, I mean, that will change the trajectory of their life.

My friends get it at restaurants, and I don't want to be that guy, but I got to tell them sometimes.

Yeah, you're like, just get the bottled water, please.

It's the fluoride mainly that's the concern there.

Yeah, it's the fluoride.

I mean, I did a big expose on fluoride, but essentially one of the largest studies ever published recently was

actually extracted from the CDC after a lawsuit.

And

they made public the municipal water

quality study, which essentially, I think they studied 3,500 or 3,600 different municipalities in the United States, and they found a direct inverse correlation between

the increase of fluoride in the water and the decrease in IQ.

Whoa.

Especially in pre-pubescent teens.

That's crazy.

So for children, it's even more devastating because of the developmental cycle of the brain.

You know, the brains are really neuroplastic in those young prepubescent years.

And fluoride's a neurotoxin.

And now they're even challenging the,

you know, the premise that it prevents tooth decay because of the very, very micro-thin layer of protection that it gives to enamel.

But if the trade-off is that you've got to take a neurotoxin to prevent tooth decay,

that's not really a reasonable

trade-off.

So what do you guys use to brush your teeth?

We have a filtration system in the house, so it filters all the water in the house.

Or we'll use, there's under-the-counter filtration systems that you can use.

I mean, brushing your teeth.

You can get a non-fluoride toothpaste, too.

We usually go with some sort of organic version.

Because we're not doing crust or any of that in Colgate anymore.

Right.

I mean, fluorophyte toothpaste are excellent for brushing your teeth, but

the little bit of tap water that you would probably not ingest and spit out to brush your teeth

isn't the risk.

It's the heavy amount of ingestion.

If you look on the back of most toothpaste labels that contain fluoride, right on the label, it says if you swallow it to contact poison control.

And the amount that you swallow is a fraction of the amount of fluoride that you would ingest in a day.

day's worth of you know six glasses of eight six eight ounce glasses of water in a day.

So but they don't tell you to call poison control at the end of the day if you drink tap water.

No,

they tell you to call poison control if you swallow it.

That's scary.

Will normal filters filter out the fluoride?

Yeah, if it's a fluoride filter.

I mean, that's usually the first thing they filter out is fluoride, chlorine.

And then depending on the microns in the filter, you get down to everything else, microplastics.

It takes a very good filter to filter out the pharmaceutical compounds.

But a reverse osmosis, RO filter, is excellent for that.

There are usually four stages to that.

So by the time the water's passed through those four stages, you know, it's pretty, pretty clean.

And I talk about this a lot.

It's, it's, there's so much fear-mongering, I think, out there on social media that you have to be careful just to say, this is going to kick you and that's going to kick you and this is a neurotoxin and that's a carcinogen.

But the truth is, simple changes make demonstrative shifts in the trajectory of your life.

And one of them is getting.

tap water out of your life.

Yeah.

It's so crazy, though, because everyone drank it growing up.

Right.

Literally everyone.

It was normal.

Why would you think it was something that the city provides?

Why would you think that it wasn't okay for you to drink?

There was.

Of course, you think it's okay.

You know, you can't make a direct causal link, right?

Like, we can't directly link, directly link

to autism.

We can link it to autism in certain cases, but the rise in

autism.

But if you look at like the progression of chronic disease, one of them is autism.

You know, in the 60s, one in 5,000 children had autism.

I mean, I was born in 1970.

She was born in 1978.

What's my birthday?

Ooh.

Nine years together, Sean.

And this is.

He's going to get it now, but only because we had this conversation in the car.

And he sent it to someone who

was wrong.

I actually texted him.

We were getting some testing done.

Nine years ago.

I texted them her birth date, and the only thing I got right was the day.

Not the year.

I actually got the month and the year wrong.

So she was born on June 18th, 1978.

Oh my God.

July.

On July.

No, I put June in them.

It was supposed to be July.

You just said June.

Did I say June?

You just said June.

Can we cut that out?

Can we back it up a little bit?

We could cut it.

Oh, dude.

You can make up for it.

The smartest man I've ever met, and also, yeah, the dumbest.

Do you know why?

Because I'm clinically photographic.

Now all I can see is that I've got a lot of time.

I've I've been 0618.

I saw the one that got written down, 0618.

And then it says 2023.

And then I know that's right.

You think?

I think you're more than 2018.

All right.

If you get the anniversary date, it'll make up for it.

Oh, God.

He's never going to get that either.

February 3rd.

5th.

Oh, what year?

Sean, you're brainstorming.

Never coming on this podcast again.

Knew I shouldn't come.

Oh, man.

Knew this was a bad idea.

Moving on.

Moving on to biohacking.

To biohacking.

Let's move on to 5G towers.

Oh, 5G towers.

That's a fun topic, right?

Yeah.

You know, there's a really great website called antennasearch.com.

You can go to antennasearch.com if you're listening to this, and you can put in your zip code, and it will tell you how many 5G towers, Wi-Fi towers, are within a radius of where you are located that could interfere with cellular energy.

You know, if you look at now the study of frequency frequency medicine, I mean, we know that the body is just a giant ball of frequency, right?

Emotional states have direct impact on cellular function.

You know, the surface of our cells communicate with their outside environment through frequency.

And I don't think that the final shoe is dropped on 5G.

And this is another one that I...

tell people, you know, use your phone on speakerphone, get a corded headset.

And now some of these headsets are so powerful with RF frequency going through the brain because they don't just communicate with the phone, they actually communicate with each other.

you know if you've ever used an iphone earpod you know if you take one out it shuts off right i mean it it's not doing that through the communication with the phone it's doing that with the communication through the brain right so they're and and now you can be 300 feet from your phone so the amount of our frequency at that distance is very very very powerful so you know my preference for you know to protect yourself against 5g is just get a quarter headset use your phone on speakerphone as much as possible i mean france just banned the latest version of the iPhone.

I think the iPhone is making some adjustments to that.

Some countries just banned some iPhone models.

I saw it too.

Yeah, France was the first one to ban the latest version of the iPhone because of the amount of EMF frequency coming out of it.

Nuts.

It's mind-numbing.

If you go right into the settings of your phone,

you go to settings, general,

and then there's another drop-down.

I can't recall what it is, but

it will actually show you and warn you not to put the phone to your head.

Oh my God.

It says that it was tested 10 to 12 inches from the body, and they recommend using it 10 to 12 inches.

Well, 10 to 12 inches, you have to be on speakerphone or a recorded headset to do that.

Wow.

So what exactly is it doing, the radiation doing to the body?

So if you think about frequency in general, so there's a concept in physics.

There's a law in physics.

It's called constructive interference.

It says that if two frequencies of equal wavelength meet, the size of the frequency doubles.

And then there's an opposite law in physics that's called destructive interference.

It says if two frequencies of opposite wavelengths meet, they cancel out.

So if you match the frequency of a cell, you can either amplify its activity or you can cancel its activity.

When you start to cancel the activity of a cell, like what's called the ion channel, which is, if you think of a cell as a kind of like a tennis ball and it actually has a membrane that's protecting it, and it's two layers.

It's called a phospholipid bilayer, bi being two.

There's an outside layer and an inside layer.

So things leave the cell and enter the cell through these channels, right?

They're little ports.

They're called ion channels.

And so for something to enter a cell or leave a cell to eliminate waste, repair, detoxify, regenerate, these ion channels have to be functioning perfectly.

Well, 5G frequency matches

the frequency of some of these ion channels.

That's the best way that I can explain it.

So now you're interrupting cellular respiration.

You're interrupting cellular activity, meaning you're impeding that cell's capacity to eliminate waste, repair, detoxify, regenerate, to divide.

And when you do that,

especially in the proximity of where you hold the phone,

then you see things like trigeminal neuralgias in one of the cranial nerves.

You see an increased risk for

all forms of brain cancer.

There's been a parabolic rise

in brain cancer.

Some people directly relate it to cell phone disease.

I didn't know that.

I think in 10 years, we're going to look back

20 years and go, what?

And why did we?

Back to rotary funds with the

landline options.

You don't want to fear monger, but the truth is, if you can use a speakerphone or recorded headset,

you can significantly mitigate your.

And I just bought this anti-EMF chip, too.

Have you seen these?

Yeah, we have.

That's actually a really good one.

That's a a company that,

is that LifeWave?

Yeah, it was like 60 bucks, I think.

Yeah, that's actually one way I read.

I'm not saying the other ones don't work, but I read all of the clinical data on that and the clinical studies, and it's really interesting that scatter technology

really works and it diffuses the

EMF, not only when you're on a call, but all the time.

Yeah, so you said I can sleep next to it now, too.

Yeah, you can sleep next to it now.

I've read too that it has a lot to do with sperm count, that men's sperm count is going lower because it's affecting their fertility.

Because they put it, if you put it in your front pocket pocket,

that it's better to keep it in your back pocket.

Is that also true?

Yeah, well, follicular cells.

And so if you think of the testicle as kind of like a yin and yang symbol,

you know, one side produces sperm,

and those are governed by what's called follicular cells, and then the other side produces luteal cells that produce testosterone.

So the same organ produces testosterone and sperm.

And the spermatogenesis, this production of sperm, and something called meiosis, the division of cells in cells, specifically in the testicles, are highly, highly, highly susceptible to radiation to frequency.

So when we carry them in our pocket, you know, next to our groin, we're actually directing that radiation to our scrotum, which can be have a negative effect on sperm.

What about females?

If we put it near our

interesting.

I don't know that I've actually read a study on that, so I like to quote peer-reviewed data rather than just get my opinion.

That's not smart because otherwise you'll get lambasted for it.

I get lambasted anyway.

What have you guys been seeing with this testosterone epidemic almost?

It's dropping every year.

Have you guys been seeing those results with all the tests you're seeing?

A lot of young guys in their 20s, shockingly.

Yeah, in their 20s?

In their 20s.

Well, again, you think about

the amount of assault that our bodies take on a daily basis, just micro-poisoning,

pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, GMO foods.

I said, if people could do one thing when they leave this podcast, stop drinking tap water.

If they could do two things,

we'll be at six by the end.

But if they could do two things,

my second recommendation would be to stop eating GMO foods.

The science is absolutely crystal clear now.

You know, you look at 2009 when we really started the promulgation of genetically modified foods on a massive scale.

You know, these studies were coming out saying this should be investigated.

There are animal model indications that this can have a negative effect on cellular metabolism and specifically on your DNA.

And by 2013,

the studies were moving into human beings and they were saying, well, they're actually getting worse in human beings.

There's actually some evidence that it has a negative effect on your immune system, on sperm counts in men and women.

And

And then by 2023, I've been pushing some of these studies out.

The evidence is crystal clear that GMO foods are a disaster for human beings because they modified the seed, this genetically modified seed.

They modified the seed to be resistant to

glyphosate.

And glyphosate is

an insecticide.

And they realized when they were spraying the plants that it was also the seed.

And that's not good.

I mean, you want to kick the insects and not the seed.

And so they genetically modified the seed to be resistant to glyphosate.

But when you genetically modify something, very often the body doesn't recognize it, right?

It's like a piece of plastic, it doesn't have an enzyme to break it down.

Largely, the way that our body metabolizes things that enter our body or takes things and gets rid of waste is called a lock and key method, right?

So, for every nutrient, there's an enzyme, and these two kind of meet, like the missing pie slice from a Pac-Man, right?

It fits, and now there's a chemical reaction.

But when you put things into the body that the body doesn't have an enzyme for, it does it doesn't recognize it, it's a non-metabolite, like a genetically modified food.

Then, not only are you not extracting nutrients from it, so you're not actually getting any nutrition, there's evidence now that these genetically modified foods can actually alter the human genome and make us less

and make us resistant to antibiotics.

If you'd like, if you'll remind me, I'll actually put that study link in the podcast

so people can't deny it.

Oh, yeah, because they'll deny it.

We got a lot of hate for that fruit one.

Oh, I know.

I got a lot of hate for that.

I should publish the fruit one.

That was

EWG published that, you know, where they,

that one went really viral.

And, you know, essentially what they did was they put non-organic, I said inorganic, so let me correct that by saying non-organic fruit in a commercial press, and they measured the pesticide level of the juice from the non-organic fruit.

And they realized that the pesticide content was high enough that they could actually take that juice and respray the crop.

Now, whether they did or not, I don't know, but the point is that the amount of pesticide in a non-organic fruit was so high they could respray the crop.

I mean, that's just a fact.

That's scary.

That's why I said

idea there is to just try to eat organic fruits.

Fruits absorb nutrients through their skin.

They draw it into the fruit and then it makes sense that if you liquefy that

that you still get the pesticide content.

You know it's it's like when we blend fruits right you you in some cases you quadruple the glycemic index.

So the difference between eating a banana and blending a banana is it raises your

your

blood sugar at four times the rate.

Oh, if you drink it?

If you drink it if you blow So that's why you always tell me not to add bananas to my shake.

Yeah.

It tastes so good in the shake.

It does, for that matter.

Just drink the shake, eat the berries.

Drink the shake, eat the banana.

But to blend the banana, you're going to skyrocket your sugar.

And a lot of times it's actually, it's not the sugar itself, it's the rate at which it raises your blood sugar.

So the glycemic index is kind of a measure of how fast does this have an effect on blood sugar.

So, you know, a blended banana will raise your blood sugar faster than a teaspoon of straight table sugar.

What about my banana bread?

I'm just kidding.

That's the best.

But I saw a clip, you don't eat white rice because of the high GI, right?

Right.

So you don't eat sushi or anything?

I mean, I eat sashimi.

Sashimi.

And once in a while, I'll have a

piece of rice with it.

But

rice is pretty high on that.

You gave it up to white rice?

Pretty much, yeah.

Unless I know for sure it doesn't have folic acid in it.

Okay.

Because otherwise it'll just keep me up at night.

My brain will just spin out.

Yeah.

So what do do you see keeping people up at night?

A lot of people struggle sleeping.

Is that maybe diet?

Yes, very much diet related.

So if you have an MTHFR gene, which we've talked about before,

you are basically allergic.

You cannot convert folic acid into 5-methylfolate.

So you just have to go to 5-methylfolate.

But the problem is that rice...

breads, pastas, you know, crackers, cookies, all the good stuff, all the carbs, most of them, if they're not organic or imported, have been sprayed with folic acid.

Yeah.

And we call it fortified or enriched.

Yeah.

So cereal, Cheerio's cereal has got, you know, it's, it's enhanced with vitamins and minerals, but not everybody can process those vitamins and cheap minerals.

Yeah.

So I remember when I got my results back and I had that.

Yeah.

I used to get sick a lot, like monthly.

And it was all because I was eating those foods, I think.

I haven't been sick since we last met.

Dude, that's awesome, man.

I love it.

Yeah, it's been nine months, haven't been sick.

That's crazy.

I mean,

it's not at all surprising, but

we're actually writing a book about it right now, all about just people's stories like that.

And I sent out, I'll actually send you a list of questions if you want to participate.

Yeah.

Sent out a list to 50 patients of ours and just said, hey, would you mind sharing your story?

I know you had a great experience with the genetic test and getting on the right protocol and changing your diet.

Would you mind contributing to the story?

And I've been in tears all weekend.

Like,

so she really has.

I really have.

She's showing me these stories and like, oh my gosh, look at that.

Whole new level of guys are changing millions of lives.

It sounds so good.

It does.

Yeah.

And kids, like teaching their kids how to make better food choices.

One story was about a kid who, you know, these twin girls, they go to a soccer game and they're offered pizza and cookies.

And they were like, no, we're good.

The last time we ate pizza and cookies, then we couldn't play the game because they were so like weighed down and their minds couldn't focus and they didn't have any energy.

It sucked the life out of them.

So I love that then the next game that they went to, they were like, no, we'll just get some orange slices.

These are nine-year-olds, like making good decisions.

You don't know better at that age.

You're just eating whatever your parents give you.

Exactly.

You're eating what your parents give you.

I mean, and if you think of a standard American diet, like what do we feed kids before they go off to school?

Pop-tarts, white bagels, cereal.

And,

you know, when you're pulling this stuff off the grocery shelf, if you're unaware, it says, well, this is fortified.

bleached white flour or it's enriched whole grains.

And the terms fortified or enriched just mean

sprayed.

Yeah, they sound great.

You know, if you're a parent and something was fortified and something wasn't, you'd probably pick the fortified or the enriched version because it sounds like maybe they added something really good to it.

But the truth is, it just means it's sprayed with folic acid.

And a lot of children, 44% of them, can't metabolize that.

So it just makes their little minds race.

And then parents are like, why is it a full contact support to get my kid in the car to go to school?

And, you know, then the school's calling home and

meltdown.

Yeah.

Little Johnny can't pay attention.

He doesn't follow directions.

He doesn't complete assignments and he's disruptive.

So they want to bring in the riddle in to kind of solve those issues.

When really, if you strip folic acid out of their diet,

which, by the way, is an entirely man-made chemical.

Let's just be clear.

Folic acid is not a vitamin.

You can't find folic acid anywhere on the surface of the earth, right?

It does not occur naturally in nature.

Contrary to popular belief, folate does, but folic acid doesn't.

And if you just switch up those food sources, so a lot of times it's not just about the fear-mongering of cereal is going to kill you, you, bagels are going to kill you, Pop-Tart's going to kill you.

If you get the organic version of those or the non-fortified, non-enriched versions, why people can go to Italy and have a bowl of pasta or you can walk down the champs-elysées in Paris and eat a baguette and you don't feel like

it's not, well, first of all, it's not laden with seed oils, but it also is not.

sprayed with folic acid.

And,

you know, over there in Europe, they have something called day-old bread.

It's because at the end of the day, it's no longer good.

It starts to harden.

It's 50% off.

I mean, here, you could put a loaf of white bread on the counter and eat it in 30 days.

Wonderful bread.

Of course.

So, I mean, that right there should tell you it's got stuff in it that's very unnatural.

How many meals per day are you guys eating?

Two.

Two.

I usually eat my first meal at noon, my last meal by 6 o'clock.

So you're intermittent fasting?

Nice.

During that time.

And just a quick bout on intermittent fasting.

Intermittent fasting is not for everybody.

It's for people that have, yeah, I mean, some of the worst endocrine disasters we've ever seen are in young females with a very tight feeding window

because it can really affect their menstrual cycle.

And at different times during the month,

you know, they're,

because of their hormonal cycle, their follicular, the ovulation, the luteal,

it's not good for them to intermittent fast.

It actually causes the pituitary to believe that the body is starving and throttle back their metabolism.

And so I tell people that are considering intermittent fasting, if they really want to find out if it's good for them, do a quick blood test.

Look at something called your hemoglobin A1C.

It's a fancy way of saying the three-month average of your blood sugar.

If it's high, then you're a candidate for intermittent fasting, especially if you have high insulin.

If it's very, very low, if you are on average hypoglycemic, meaning you're on average, your hemoglobin A1C is 5.1 or less, you are definitely not a candidate for intermittent fasting.

You'll slow your metabolism way, way, way down.

And for young females, menstruating females, though, it could be an endocrine disaster.

And that's where we recommend people wake up, have a protein shake, even if you're not a morning eater.

Like I'm not a morning eater, but I have to have a protein shake in the morning.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, I'm correct on that.

Yeah.

Okay.

And then I'll have a protein shake and I'll put collagen in my coffee and so at least have like 20, 30 grams of protein in in the morning.

Nice.

And then that gets me to noon or one when I'm kind of more like hungry.

I just don't wake up hungry.

Yeah.

I see a lot of debate about how many grams of protein and the best proteins you should be eating.

Have you seen any studies on this?

Oh, no question.

You know,

I'm going to get a lot of flack for this.

Every clinical study that I have ever read

hands down animal protein beats plant-based protein for performance

that I've read.

And if somebody has a study they'd like me to consider, I'd be more than happy to read it.

I'm not taking an opinion on that.

That's just based on

what I've read.

Whey protein outperforms plant-based proteins in athletic performance.

But the issue, again, is

not whether you're vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, keto, paleo, raw food, what have you.

It's the distance from the food to the table.

It's the quality of the food source.

I mean, some of the sickest clients we've ever had have been raw food vegans.

Some of the sickest clients we've ever had have been meat eats.

Well, I've seen more vegans.

Well, way, way more vegans.

And it's not to attack the vegan lifestyle or attack the vegan diet.

It's that, you know,

vegans can have beer, they can have pasta, they can have rice, they can have bread,

they can have all kinds of things that other diets would omit.

Lots of grains.

And these are places where you find very, very high levels of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, and preservatives.

And folic acid.

And

so.

And so then their guts are all messed up or their brains are spinning out.

Yeah.

And they don't realize why.

The only person I've seen it done right is Brian Johnson.

Yeah.

He's like the only vegan I know that pulled it off.

And if you look at Brian Johnson, I mean,

Brian Johnson's done something that's virtually impossible to do, and he's removed himself from the equation, right?

I mean, so Brian Johnson does not decide what he eats, what he drinks, what he supplements with, when he goes to bed, when he wakes up, nothing.

He has completely removed personal choice from his regimen.

Everything is dictated by data.

Right.

And so

his supplements have to fight for their life to make it into his supplement routine.

111 supplements.

Yeah.

I think that's too many.

It's crazy.

Personally.

Yeah.

I was up to like 40 and I was like, this is too many.

40 is a lot, too.

Yeah.

But see, that's where our argument is that people are supplementing just for the sake of supplementing, not necessarily because those 40 capsules are what you actually need.

So if you get a, you know, a good roadmap by doing the blood and genetics, you really can narrow it down to what your body actually requires.

I'm a big believer in supplementing for deficiency, not just the sake of supplementing.

So if you have a deficiency,

and you know that, then supplementing for deficiency is when real magic happens in the human body.

I mean, human beings, most of us, are not thriving because we're deficient in certain raw materials, not because we have some kind of pathology or disease.

You know, in fact, most people, probably most of the people listening to this podcast, are walking around right now at about 60%

of their true state of normal.

It's like you used to get, you know, sick.

I had a bunch of deficiencies.

Yeah.

And

so

once you fix those deficiencies, now you just take those little anchors off of your stern, you just pull them up, right?

I mean, so now you're not getting sick as often.

And so many people listening to this either have brain fog or weight gain or whatever retention or poor sleep or lack of focus and concentration or poor short-term recall or no waking energy.

And they just chalked it up to a consequence of aging.

They just said

that's a consequence of

aging.

The biggest response I got back is that people thought, oh, well, I'm 40.

I'm in my 40s.

I'm in my 50s.

This is how you're supposed to feel.

Right.

Including one of our friends who's a doctor.

Wow.

He even was like, I thought this was normal.

I figured I was, you know, couldn't focus at work.

I, you know, had like symptoms of ADHD.

I just had brain fog.

I thought it was just because I turned 51.

Yeah.

Look what you guys did to Dana White.

Yeah.

He's six pack now.

Amazing.

Yeah.

And he's on no medication.

Crazy.

He used to be like, what, 30% body fat?

Yeah.

30% body fat.

Very crazy.

It feels amazing.

And it's, it's all, these are real stories from real people.

And I just love it.

I love, you know, hearing back from people that I knew they felt good, but hearing the details of how they feel and how we've really changed their lives with simple stuff.

Yeah.

I mean, it's not expensive.

No, it's not that complicated.

It's not that complicated.

You take a blood test and then fix the deficiency.

You take a blood test and a genetic test and the genetic test you do once in your life.

Right.

Like that is an absolute must.

I mean, because you do that test once in your life and you'll never guess again on what your body's deficient in.

Well, here's a sad story too.

I was communicating with a guy on Instagram and last year he

watched enough of our videos and things and got the gene test done.

Then he was feeling great.

So I didn't really hear from him for a year except for every once in a while he'd pipe up and say he felt good.

And then all of a sudden he was texting me like mad saying he was having two panic attacks a day.

And I was like, okay, this is something that you you knew that you just put in your, started putting it in your body.

Otherwise, this doesn't make any sense.

So I was like, tell me, send me pictures of everything you're taking and tell me what your diet is.

So he sent the diet stuff over.

He was spot on.

He was following all the rules and regulations that we would put in his diet protocol.

But then he sent me photos of his stuff and the multivitamin that we had.

put together for him that was working for a year.

Well, he ran out and got lazy, didn't reorder it.

And he just went to Walmart and he picked up a normal multivitamin from there And it had B12 that he can't have.

He's basically allergic to cyanocobalamin, the synthetic form of B12 that they put in so many multivitamins.

And he was taking that for two weeks, having two

panic attacks a day and suicidal thoughts.

Just from a multivitamin.

From a multivitamin.

The B12 in it was 104,000% of his daily dose of B12.

So I remember on your podcast, the first one I did, I got lamb-basted for some, you know, saying, and then all of a sudden you take all these different things and can add up to 104% or 100% of your daily dose of B12.

His was one 25-milligram B12 capsule, 104,000%.

And he's like, oh my God, I had no idea that that could make such a difference.

And I was like, okay, go back to your notes, go to your paperwork that we talked about.

And, you know, he understood and he immediately threw it in the trash and reordered his supplements.

And then he was fine.

And he just literally said that I helped save his life.

I mean, stuff like that just makes me.

That's incredible.

And there's a lot of people out there taking multivitamins that probably have no idea.

No idea.

Yeah.

Pop and sentimentality.

Are absorbable, and they use the cyanide-based form of B12, and they use, you know, folic acid, which is another.

You'll never convince me that a nutrient that we make in a laboratory, that we synthesize in a laboratory, that you couldn't even find on the surface of the earth before the mid-90s is somehow the key to optimal health.

Yeah.

Right.

Because, you know, chemicals, synthetics, pharmaceuticals are

rarely, if ever, the key to being optimal.

They may be the key to an acute issue that you're facing at that moment, inflammatory issue or what have you.

But they're not the key to longevity.

It's like when you laugh about the random berry that's found in the Amazon.

Oh, the new superfood?

Yeah, the new superfood.

Like the newest thing.

Only one company's patented it.

I remember growing up, they said kale was a superfood, and now they just found out it's not even that good for you.

Oh, no.

There we go.

You know that.

My My daughter's eating.

Kale is

a lot of the vegetables with oxalates in them.

Because, you know, vegetables are trying to protect themselves from predators, too.

I mean, just because they don't have teeth and claws doesn't mean that they actually don't have mechanisms to protect themselves.

And, you know, animals learn over time that if you eat that,

you will not digest it.

And

that's going to be very bad.

You know, the first time Alina ever ate kale, she was four years old, my daughter, and she loved it so much.

She doesn't really like fruit, but she loves vegetables.

She's just a total opposite kid.

And she woofed down a whole thing of kale, like a whole stock of it, and broke out in hives for the first time.

She had never had an allergic reaction to anything.

And they told me it was because it was a superfood and it was like too overwhelming for her little body.

God, that's funny.

It's the best.

So maybe that's just BS, but

she can eat it now.

She's been fine ever since.

I'm like, just don't eat a whole bushel of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I used to dominate those kale chips and I used to think it was healthy.

Yeah.

they're not.

Yeah, they're not.

Yeah, the funny thing is, most of those kale chips are fried in seed oils.

Yeah, if you look at them, they're like, it says palm oil or canola oil or palm kernel oil.

Sunflower oil

all over Instagram for talking about seed oils.

And I never really said that seed oils were bad.

What I said was industrial processed seed oils were bad, right?

If you take a canola plant and you put it in commercial press and it comes out gummy and then you degum it with hexane, which is a known neurotoxin, and then you take that hexane degummed oil and you heat it to 405 degrees,

which turns it rancid, putrefies it.

And then you deodorize that rancid oil with sodium hydroxide, which is a very known, well-known carcinogen.

And then in some cases, take the deodorized rancid cytotoxic seed oil and then bleach it with chlorine.

Yeah.

And then bottle it and then put it on the shelf.

Now that's terrible for you.

Yeah.

And I'd be happy to debate the fact fact-checker that said that seed oils are

on Instagram right now.

It's got a little cloud over it and it says false information.

And then you click CY and it says, fact checkers say, oh, yeah, I've gotten that.

Seed oils are not bad for human beings.

I go, what fact-checker?

Like, where is this person?

Yeah.

I mean, they got money to just throw stuff at you, those big food companies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The funniest one was I got fact-checked for,

I got cited for false information by the CDC site that I took the clip.

You got the clip from, yeah.

Because I was so afraid of it being censored.

I cut it

and then I just pasted it on Instagram.

That's it.

I didn't even write a narrative.

I just cut it and pasted it.

And then it was like, well, false information.

Sage got one higher level than that.

We couldn't even see one of our videos, I think.

Yep.

You have to say, I want to watch this, right?

Yeah.

You have to say you want to watch it.

I think that one had to do with the B12 we were talking about.

Oh, no, no, it was a folic acid one.

It was about breads.

Oh, breads.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was the colour.

She went after white bread.

And yeah, people were mad.

And it's not all bread.

Sourdough bread is great for you.

I mean, again,

if you're listening to this podcast and you've traveled, right, especially to Europe, Italy,

and you've realized, you know, when I'm overseas,

I feel better.

I ate pasta.

I ate

olive oil.

I mean, I went to Italy and I ate in this small restaurant and I had a bowl full of pasta.

I had bread before I had dinner.

I had red wine.

I had.

Sounds amazing.

Sounds amazing.

Yeah, I know.

I wish I could do that here.

You know what I mean?

I had olive oil and I felt freaking amazing.

And then you go and you try to do the same thing here.

You walk out of Buka de Pepe's or you know, olive oil and you can't even get into your car.

Exactly.

Do you think they'll ever fix it?

I see they're banning certain candies now and stuff.

Yeah, Red Food Dying.

In California, I applaud California for that.

Yeah, good job, California.

Yeah, who would have thought Cali would have been the state to do it?

It doesn't surprise me.

Cali does ban a lot of stuff.

Oh, really?

They finally banned something that makes sense.

Okay.

They banned peptides and now

peptides.

And injectable glutamates.

That makes me laugh.

Oh, they are good.

They're great for you.

So why'd they ban peptides?

They banned a huge class of peptides recently for,

not for

safety concerns or not because of reports of actual harm or injury, but because of a quote-unquote lack of safety data.

And,

you know, peptides are amino acid sequences, and the ones under 44 chains are considered extraordinarily safe.

I don't know that there's

incidences of people showing up in the ER because they took a peptide, like a BPC-157 or a growth hormone peptide or any number of other peptides that people use for weight loss, like AOD 9604 or MOTC.

And yet they just came out and banned them, not because of safety concerns, but because of a lack of safety data.

Oh, I've heard great things about them.

Peptides are amazing.

BPC 157 is a healing peptide.

It can seal the inner lining of the gut.

So for somebody that has a lot of gut problems, we usually, that's part of their protocol.

And then it also can help here heal if you've just had surgery or you have a joint issue or muscle tear or um

a number of things yeah and so we have a lot of patients that take bpc 157 including myself including my daughter after she you know injured herself playing lacrosse it's perfectly safe they banned it so they banned those but you could get yeah

and painkillers painkillers opioids

you can definitely get narcotics antipsychotics

those.

And another concerning thing.

You can't matter all your kid.

Yeah, right.

Another concerning thing I've seen you talk about is misdiagnosis.

Yeah.

And it's the third leading cause of death in America.

Yeah, I mean, in 2016, there was a Harvard study done.

I think they actually, I think the study was initially commissioned for

Medicare and Medicaid because they wanted to see, you know, what are the leading causes of mortality?

And, you know, what can we do to curtail some of these diseases?

And they realized that medical error was actually actually the third leading cause of death, or what we call iatrogenic illness.

And it's one thing when you realize, well, modern medicine and medical error are the third leading cause of death, but they're the third leading cause of death in the industry designed to prevent death.

Like if you switch that to any other industry, it'd be laughable.

Right.

I mean, like if you had a, you know, your podcast was the third leading cause of career failure.

You're like, hey, do you guys want to come on and listen to my success?

You know,

you know, two-thirds of the time people go bankrupt immediately after my podcast.

So

I don't think people would be lining up.

Right.

If we applied it to any other industry, if you sold security systems and said, hey, but I'm the third leading cause of home invasion.

But, you know, when you, when you think that modern medicine more people than morbid obesity and diabetes combined,

only cardiovascular disease and cancer,

people than medical error,

then you realize that we're really good at crisis prevention.

We're not very good at bio-optimization.

And I hate to come in and just attack Big Pharma and attack the medical community because 99% of doctors got into medicine to help people and they're doing a great job.

And

Big Pharma actually does a lot of good for us too.

But in the effort to make a profit, you're not in the business of losing clients.

It's not aligned.

So it's very, yeah, it's not aligned.

You know, if you owned an airline,

you wouldn't invest in a marketing marketing campaign to sell fewer seeds.

So you're not likely going to invest in something that's going to cause you to lose a client, which means that you cure their disease, which is why the majority of clinical trials are designed to manage disease.

I mean, if you look at diabetes in the United States alone, it's $110 billion annual industry.

How about cancer?

I know.

that there has to be better cures for cancer, but they're not going to go advertise that.

They've been trying to find a cure for forever.

Yeah, there's definitely cures.

I mean, there's definitely more natural ways to do it, I think.

And I'm not going to speak on it because I don't know those ways, but I just know there's got to be better things out there than just chemo and radiation that just basically almost take you to death before it brings you back alive.

And you got to pay six figures for that.

Oh, at least.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

So you have to follow the protocol because if you don't have the money to go outside of the sequence that's prescribed to you, you have no choice.

So, you know, you can't, you, you, you're not eligible for certain medication until you've taken a sequence of steps.

And that sequence of steps very often can.

And,

and again, it's not to say that oncologists are out there trying to harm the public.

I don't think that that's true at all.

I don't think there's any sinister motive in the medical community, but the way that medicine is designed, it's really not designed to get rid of disease.

It's really designed to manage disease.

Band-aid solutions.

Very good at disease management.

And if you can get somebody to subscribe to the fact that they have a disease, you can get them to subscribe to a lifetime of medication.

I mean, most even antidepressants were originally designed to be prescribed for 90 days or less.

We talk to people all the time that are on them for 15 or 18 years.

Jeez.

I mean, my first question is always, when did you think it was going to kick in?

When did you think it was going to work?

You're 18.

You're like, okay, let's give it another two years and and then things should sort of level out.

Right.

That's scary.

Are there any countries you think have a good health system?

Like they're doing it right?

Well, a lot of countries that actually have.

So if you think about the United States, we're the number one spender worldwide in healthcare.

We spend trillions of dollars more than any other country.

We're ranked

52nd in the world in terms of our quality of care.

We're ranked 50.

39th in the world for life expectancy.

So we know that healthcare spending doesn't correlate to life expectancy and it doesn't correlate to optimal health.

If you look at our rates of obesity, cardiovascular disease, cancer, and what we would call mental illness, ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar autism,

we have skyrocketing rates of these conditions.

I mean, autism in the 60s was one in 5,000 children.

Now it's one in 32 children.

Are you serious?

Oh, yeah.

That's what we were talking about before the birthday thing.

We did not have friends that were autistic.

There was no one in my

schools schools growing up.

In the entire school?

No.

Not in the entire school.

Wow.

And now I remember kids that had Down syndrome, but definitely not autism.

Right.

And hopefully nobody sees this and goes, Sage, why don't you remember so-and-so?

If you're an eighth-grade kid today, you probably have, you know, half a dozen kids with autism.

That's crazy.

Depending on where they are on the spectrum.

And those neuroinflammatory diseases come from all kinds of things.

Now there's whole classrooms, my daughter said, there's just dedicated to kids.

To autism?

That have severe autism.

Oh my gosh.

It's sad.

That's crazy.

There's got to be a better way.

Yeah.

Because at this rate, it's going to be even higher percentages every year.

Well, I mean, if you think about the rate that it had to compound to get there, I mean, first it was one in 5,000, one in 2,500, then one in 1,000, then one in 100, and I think 2016.

It's like one in 32.

You have a 3% chance now, if you have a kid, that they'll be born with autism.

Yeah.

And more in boys than girls.

I'm not sure why that is.

Yeah.

But more in boys than girls.

And I don't know.

I still think a lot of it stems back to, okay, my daughter, she had all her

when she was little.

I did space them out, and I think I told them not to throw in a couple.

Right.

But it is like a third now.

She had a third of what they recommend now.

Wow.

And she's 15.

So 15 years ago, there were

way, way, way less

required.

Now it's up in the 70s.

I don't remember getting that many.

Yeah.

There's 72 now.

There's 72 now.

There's 72.

Oh, All the records.

And she only had

a 72, right?

Just to go to school?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

And sometimes you're mandatory.

And if you look at a lot of these, like tetanus, I don't think that there's been a reported case of tetanus in

an under three-year-old child

that caused

mortality that led to a death

ever.

I mean, most of these tetanus cases and the mortality from tetanus is in the 75 and older community, and one in 1,000 of those result in a death in the actual known cases.

So, in the informed consent, we should say, listen, no child's ever died of this, but we still want you to vaccinate your child before three years old for a condition that has no statistical risk of mortality.

Seems kind of strange to me.

You know, even when that-I thought tetanus was just like you step on a rusty nail.

I mean, well, it is, yeah.

So, why would a baby need a tetanus shelf?

Yeah, give it a child before they're three years old.

Yeah, I don't know anyone that got that.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know any well, well, I do now.

I know parents that whose

kids get these got suckered into one last year, but that was because we lost two homes in a hurricane and we were gutting, and there was just so much gross stuff that we were pulling out of these two houses.

Yeah.

Throwing it on the side of the road.

And I got a little panicked, and they were giving away free tetanus shots.

And I, oh, you got one?

I died.

Oh, no.

So freaked out.

Well, he didn't tell me.

This is, I blame him.

Oh, you didn't give her a heads up?

He didn't.

I wish he would have stopped me.

Yeah, afterwards, that didn't do me any good.

I'm going to die.

I thought I was expecting C charge.

I was.

I was worried.

I was worried that I had the rusty nail or something.

I don't know.

That I had stepped in it.

But now there's supplements you could take to treat the effects of

yeah, nanokinase, bromeline, thimulin, um, and that will actually help to pull that spike protein if you have it out of the, out of the, you know, the lining of the blood vessel.

Yeah.

Because, you know, we used to use a lot of what was called attenuated viruses, which is where you take a

virus and it has a, they call it an envelope, but it has a sort of a capsule around it, right?

It has the DNA inside, and they used to go in and

extract more

DNA so that the envelope of the virus was there, the nucleocapsid protein was there, and you could put that into the body and it would solicit an immune response, but it wouldn't infect you.

And now we've progressed to mRNA,

which are messenger RNA.

And if you think about what messenger RNA is, it's kind of like if you went into the cell and you went into the nucleus of the cell and you found the DNA, which is the boss, right?

It's the CEO.

So the DNA is sitting in there running the show.

And it basically has two functions.

It makes a perfect copy of itself, right?

And that's called replication.

But it also sends instructions into the cell.

So the DNA, the CEO, is sitting in the nucleus of the cell, writing instructions into the cytoplasm of the cell.

And these instructions are called messenger RNA.

And normally a messenger RNA degrades in just a few hours, a few minutes to a few hours.

So if I'm the DNA and you guys are the minions in the cell, I would write you a, I would say, hey, go make this protein, you go throw this nutrient out, you bring this nutrient in, you go make that protein.

So

those mRNA sequences are really important for cellular communication.

What we did when we created an mRNA vaccine was we created one from

We created a synthetic copy of that message.

The problem was we don't exactly know when that degrades, if ever.

So now it's almost like an imposter stole the CEO's notepad and is writing instructions into the cell saying, hey, go make this protein.

And then when you come back to your desk, go make this protein.

You come back, go make this protein.

Go make the protein.

Go make the protein.

And that repeated message to make a spike protein causes a massive rise in the spike protein in the body.

Wow.

And when this gets out of the cytoplasm of the blood, it goes into the endothelial lining of the blood vessel.

And, you know, we like to think that the skin is the largest organ in the body.

I think that the lining of the blood vessel is, because if you look at the surface area of the skin, it's about half a tennis cord.

If you look at the surface area of the endothelial lining of your blood vessel, it's like six tennis cords, right?

I mean, we have 63,000 miles of blood vessel in our body.

What?

So if you get an inflammatory condition in 63,000 miles of blood vessel, now nutrients can't leave the blood and enter the tissue.

Contents from the tissue can't leave the tissue waste and enter the blood.

And once you interrupt that blood-brain barrier, this is where where you start to have this strange myriad of symptoms, right?

Trigeminal neuralges, transverse myelitis, myocarditis, pericarditis.

You get

all kinds of inflammatory conditions.

You get mood numbness.

You get issues with female hormonal patterns.

And this is all because you've interrupted this exchange of nutrients between the blood and the tissue.

And so, you know, stripping this pike protein out is a very, very positive thing.

And I think there actually is a published study on the nanokinase, the bromaline and the thimulin that you can use to absorb these spike proteins and actually drop your urine concentration of spike protein.

So that's good news.

That's scary that it's doing that.

People have no idea about that.

Yeah, yeah, but they're just getting massive brain fog.

They're getting fatigue.

They're getting weight gain.

They're getting water retention.

They're getting strange muscle soreness.

Or they'd be fine for a few days and then just have a day of just crushing fatigue.

They get brain fog like to the point where they just really can't think their way out of the house, not just getting a great idea in the bedroom and walking to the kitchen and kind of wondering what the heck you're doing in the kitchen.

Um, you know, they're processing issues, yeah.

I used to get brain fog and low energy, um, but then I got on the supplements and it all went away pretty much.

Yeah,

non-stop working, yeah,

but I had no idea because that was my normal sense we preach, too.

Yeah, you thought it was normal, yeah.

Why did you think it was normal?

Because I got used to it, so I just thought it was normal to feel like that.

You know, I'd wake up every morning kind of like not ready to go.

Right.

And you know what's crazy is most people,

even most people that are listening to this podcast, they're walking around at about 60% of their true state of normal.

They have no idea how good normal can feel.

Until you find that raw material that's missing from your body and replace it, you have no idea how well things can function.

You know, your gut health,

your short-term recall,

the anxiety that you have, the anxiousness, the sleeplessness.

most people that have sleep issues lay down body tired but they they can't go to sleep because their mind is awake right and they they're laying there thinking about the most innocuous little thoughts and they can't shut their mind off and then they're like what the am i thinking about my grocery list at two in the morning for yeah yeah she's a he's like snoring next to me and i'm just going for but i've got that uh i'll take it back he doesn't snore anymore i don't snore anymore he used to before i started supplementing yeah before he was supplementing and then before i was supplementing too i was just wide awake i would deny anything she would video me.

No, no, I'd just be wide awake, like thinking about stupid stuff.

And taking videotapes of me snoring.

Yes.

Because he was making me.

And then I would blame you that I couldn't fall asleep because of your snoring.

Yeah.

That's relatable.

Have you guys seen that mouth tape?

Yeah, I've used the hostage tape.

I just

forget to put it on, but the couple of times I've done it, I had a positive impact in my HRV.

And I've actually looked up some studies.

It might have been anecdotal, but looked up some studies that it actually has a very positive effect on increasing your HRV, your heart rate variability.

Wow.

If you give it to me, I'm happy to slap it on your mouth.

You only use it when you're sleeping, babe.

You can't give it to me during the day.

Oh, I thought it would help during the day, too.

She loves the sound of hostage tape

for her house.

That's a good name.

What are your lifespan goals?

You want to hit a hundo?

Oh, I'm already way over 100.

Who wants to go to 120?

I have zero desire to go that high.

Yeah, I'm trying to get her on board for 120.

I'm not taking care of you.

Yeah,

I'm not taking care of you for 120.

No, that's so many more years.

I am not going back into the nightclub business.

I mean, I mean, back into...

You worked at the nightclub?

No.

Oh,

I mean, going out into the nightclubs when I'm 110.

Don't put me in that position, babe.

Dude, I'm not.

Oh, you're the nightclub though.

Okay, I see how it is.

I have zero desire to...

I don't know.

My grandmothers lived like a wonderful life.

They passed it 90 91 they were healthy up until then

that seemed good

like maybe 95 100 but okay that's higher than last time we spoke it was

80 before I believe no bigger than 80 at least 90 okay but I don't want to be here's the thing what I saw from them is that they were sad because

even though they were healthy and living longer than than they were living longer than their friends so every day it was like another funeral and that made me sad

And they also got bored.

They were just bored.

They've done studies on that.

When you retire, you kind of fade away.

Well, I mean, if you look at a lot of the blue zone studies and you'll see that sense of purpose,

physical activity and sense of purpose were a big part of these blue zone studies.

You know, in Sardinia, you know,

interestingly in Sardinia, which is, they actually eat a very high carbohydrate diet, there was

a very small area, very concentrated area area of these hyper-centenarians, these centenarians in a very small area of Sardinia.

They were all over Sardinia, but in one particular

area, neighborhood, there was an exceptionally high number of centenarians.

And they found the same link between other blue zones that they had this sense of purpose, even if it was just gardening, even if great-grandma's idea was to just, you know, I mean, our purpose was just to get the vegetables for dinner that night.

They went out into the garden, they got vegetables, they washed them, they prepared them for the family.

Every night, you know, they would,

some of the men were still making belts and belt buckles and shoes and things well into their hundreds.

Wow.

But they were all

fascinating.

Walking at 100?

In Sardinia,

the life expectancy

over age 100 was directly correlated to the slope of the hill.

Really?

Because they walked to church.

Yeah, because they would walk up these 40-degree slopes and they'd go 10 blocks up to the church and then they'd go six blocks down to the market, and then they'd go over to their house.

There were no such thing as elevators in their houses, up and down the steps.

There's also no such thing as

assisted care living facilities.

Oh, assisted care.

Yeah, so like assisted care over there is you take mom and dad back into the house and you care for them until they pass.

Right.

And so they had a real communal sense.

They had a real sense of purpose.

They had a reason that, you know, to be there, they felt like people needed them.

And I found it really fascinating because it's something we inherently know.

But now there's some science behind the fact that that once you feel like you no longer have a purpose,

you know, if you're in an assisted care living facility and you're playing cards with Beverly, who you don't even know, because her family doesn't come visit her, your family doesn't come visit you.

I see those videos on social media.

You're like, yeah, it's like, what's the purpose?

To play bridge and do puzzles until

it decides it's my favorite.

No, I'm definitely going to move my mom in because I don't want her to suffer like that in her final years.

Yeah, I mean, I'm going through that with my parents right now.

You know,

my father's handicapped and perfectly good cognitive function.

My mom had bilateral knee replacements, and I've seen the impact on her cognitive function.

And I've been very public about talking about it.

And I'm actually going to document my journey with her over the next few months because I know so many people who have parents that are suffering from the same thing, and they're going through it right now, and they don't know, well, what can I do to help my parents' cognitive function?

So I'm going to lay out the peptide protocol that I have for her, you know, the...

longevity protocol that I have for her.

And I'm just going to let people watch me go on this journey with my mom.

Amazing.

It's inspiring, man.

Are you digging your heel into me for a reason or is that

trying to

mean you're snapping my life?

I'm so sorry.

Now we'll move over here.

No, don't go away, babe.

This is why I don't want to live to 120 with him.

Is this your guy's first episode together?

Yeah.

Okay.

No.

Well,

I'm the first one we've been interviewed together.

Okay.

Nice.

Building that chemistry up.

Yeah.

You're building the chemistry.

And you guys have your own show now.

I want to end off there.

Yeah, the ultimate human podcast.

I'm excited about it.

Yeah.

I think it's going to be fun.

Because there's going to be a lot of, there will be a lot of episodes with us discussing topics that people want to know about.

We'll, you know, throw it out to the social media world.

Like, what questions do you have for us that we can answer and we'll talk on different topics?

I also want to share a lot of stuff about relationships and family and the things that people can relate to, show

how silly we can be and

how we've made it work for nine years without him knowing my birthday.

And I've got all the redeeming colours.

Maybe I should list some of those.

You're very smart.

There's one.

Yes, you are brilliant.

You make me laugh every day and you bring me coffee every morning.

And that is

probably the main reason that you're still around.

Yeah.

I'll take diamond coffee every day.

But yeah, it drives me crazy.

I mean, just like every couple can be driven crazy by the other.

But at the end of the day, we've like we've really worked hard to get to know one another.

And a lot of things have been improved by us getting our diets right.

Diet supplementation.

It's

crazy.

It's a huge part of our relationship.

And actually, there was a book that we read when we were building our business.

Because, you know, we also built a business.

Like, we did everything you shouldn't do.

We built a house together.

We raised a modern family.

You know, some three, my kids, one of one.

daughter's hers.

The whole family has now just gelled.

You know, we have this amazing modern family.

Her daughter's like a daughter to me, and my kids are like her own.

But, you know, anybody that says that you can build a business with your spouse and separate work from

your private life is completely lying on you.

If you have a bad day at the office, you're having a bad day at home.

Yeah, exactly.

If you have a great day at the office, you're having a great day.

You're a bad day at home.

Yeah, we were, you know, able to navigate that.

And what really worked for us was we found out that

she's an integrator and I'm a visionary.

And when you're a visionary, all you really care about is the vision and like all the cool things that you can do and all the cool, neat ways that we can help people and all the like so many ideas.

The newest test and the newest thing that we should have.

And we can do this and we could do that and we can change the world.

And then you have an integrator that's like very practical.

Like, well, first of all, who's going to buy this equipment?

Second of all, who's going to run it?

And third, you know, how are we going to implement this in our practice?

He never wanted to hear that, though.

He just liked that he had 30 great ideas.

And he would get so mad at me when I'd say, you can pick three.

Negative Nancy.

Three ideas is something I can work with.

You need someone like that, though.

But we read a book called Rocket Fuel.

Okay.

Who is the author of that?

Please don't ask me that.

I haven't heard that one.

Rocket Fuel is great.

It has an orange colour.

It's called Rocket Fuel.

But if you're a couple and you're in business together, this is a great book.

You got to get that.

It really helped me understand that.

All of my great ideas and all of this vision was worthless without somebody to implement it.

And it also helped me understand that if we didn't have all these great ideas in this vision, that I had nothing to implement.

There was nothing, I didn't have a job if he didn't have these great ideas because I wasn't coming up with it on my own.

So

we had to learn to appreciate each other that way instead of being resentful at one another.

And then we really had to learn: who this is my lane, and this is your lane, and please stay out of my lane, and I'll stay out of your lane and respect it.

And we really, that changed our relationship tremendously.

Things took off for the company and for our relationship and for our family and for the level of patient satisfaction in our patient community.

You know, we know that for sure.

That was a great book.

And that combined with us figuring out the methylation piece and getting him on the vitamins to calm him down a little bit, getting on the vitamins to calm me down a little bit.

I mean, it really is like a personality test, and it helped us understand each other in that way as well.

Really, I mean, it's like the tension just came right out of the balloon.

It's amazing.

And we can tell if the other one has not had their vitamins.

She says it to me every day.

She says, every day.

I just hold them out and like take put these in your mouth.

And if I'm not with him, I call.

She calls my assistant.

Put them literally physically, throw them into his mouth.

Looks good, guys.

It's been a blast.

Anything you want to close off with?

Well, you know, we're, we're...

First of all, thank you for having us again.

And we're really happy about the launch of the Ultimate Human podcast.

It actually launches tomorrow with Dana White.

Let's go.

I know.

And,

you know, my heroes are PhDs and researchers and MDs that are in the field of anti-aging and longevity and biohacking.

So that's something that flows

into the ultimate human podcast.

Yeah, a lot of guests that will share their stories.

We'd love to have you on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's share your story.

For sure.

I'd love to have that.

Just the more that we can talk about health and wellness.

And,

you know, I love this concept of building generational health.

Right?

That's cool.

Like it.

I love that.

Talk about it.

Our families and our children.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

Yeah.

All right.

Check out their podcast, guys.

Thanks so much for coming on.

Thank you, bro.

Thank you.

All right.

I'll see you guys next time.

Peace.