Derek Bonner Ran The San Francisco Night Light Scene | Digital Social Hour #129

You get you get scanned when you walk in.

If it's a gang member, it tells the doorman it is, but it says don't talk don't stop him.

And then he walks in and then, you know, 15 minutes later, the game task force comes with like 18 guys in combat gear almost.

Wow.

And they walk up to the guy with the computer and they're like, oh, this is you.

Pay your bill and get the f ⁇ out.

Like 30,000 escorts in Vegas.

There's that many?

Yeah.

Jeez.

I know they chill in the casinos at night, right?

They chill in the casinos at night, but you know, it's one of those things.

It's like, you know, when I first was here,

I couldn't tell the difference between normal.

Yeah, yeah, I hear that story all the time.

Oh, man.

And so I would just always assume every girl was in escort.

So.

Welcome back to the Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly.

I'm here with my guest today, Derek Vonner.

How's it going, man?

It's going going well, man.

Going well.

Yeah, so you're pretty low-key, so you're going to have to tell people exactly what you do and how you got started.

Yeah, you know, there's a reason for that.

Obviously,

I used to be in the nightlife industry

starting in maybe 1999.

And then

I moved to San Francisco and ran five different nightclubs.

And what happened was it was right about the time that Facebook

came together.

And so one of the reasons that I've kept myself low-key was because, you know, the first meeting with Peter Thiel and

who else was there?

Zuckerberg.

It was Sean Parker.

Okay.

And I think Sean Fanning was there originally.

Wow.

It's kind of interesting.

So that was at a nightclub I ran.

They met at your club?

That's insane.

Yeah, they got a table.

It was pretty wild.

I mean, we had like Derek Jeter when, you know, it was close enough to 9-11 where he had Secret Service with him.

Wow.

But yeah,

it was pretty interesting.

And it was actually Sean Parker that got me on Facebook originally.

He convinced me to do it.

That's nuts.

Yeah.

And then

it was one of those things where right at that time, everybody was sharing every personal detail, everything you could possibly imagine about, you know, know their lives.

It's not quite like that now, I don't think.

I mean, people share intimate information about on social media, but not really the same way, right?

And I watched you know several situations that where there was litigations and things that happened where you know

Facebook exposed them for a timeline, I mean, like anything else on the internet.

Yeah, they got a lot of information on people, man.

No doubt about it.

Yeah, and then you know, I got involved, I stopped doing operations around 2010.

And I got involved with just more consulting on

hospitality businesses that were going through conflict.

Right.

And so,

you know, it's interesting because when 2008 happened, I went from never having a business dispute to, you know, being in multiple litigations going through just,

you know, the legal system, which is, I'm sure you've you've experienced a little bit yourself which is crazy and broken and yeah it's all pay-to-play yeah it doesn't work at all and then when we finally get to to court on these projects the judge is like oh

had no idea how to award damages for a hospitality business because there's so many factors on what can go wrong you know especially a nightclub i mean a nightclub by the time we get to court they've already had they've had a bad operator they've had shootings they've had yeah everything else you can imagine so

it was pretty interesting.

But what happened was I started consulting on other nightclubs,

people that were going in through partnership disputes, or maybe they had a shooting outside or a shooting inside.

And I had such a good relationship with the police and the city that they actually asked me to help a couple different times.

And that's actually what got me out of that business and

changed my perspective a lot but um i i started i went to a hearing because there was a club in san francisco there was a an assassination like somebody got shot twice in the head with a silencer like

yeah it was like a gang hit wow and

the the head of the entertainment commission at the time called me and asked me if i could help them reopen make sure they have cameras make sure they have like some procedures in place and then right before I go to this hearing because it's a public hearing I'd already spoken to the to the police at that point.

We'd already come up with some plan.

And right before I go to this hearing, she's like, hey, can you find an ID scanning company?

So

I go online, I find a company that I think is cool.

It looked really good to me.

I contacted them.

They sent me the information.

And I

walk into this hearing.

And

as part of my presentation,

I presented the ID scanning company.

So what happened was the entire city of San Francisco went nuts.

The media went nuts.

I walk out of this thing and there's five, six reporters calling me.

There's people like blowing up my phone, blowing up my assistant's phone, blowing up our company.

Like

it is absolutely crazy.

And none of the articles, none of the news coverage is good.

It's terrible.

It's like big brothers coming to San Francisco and like everyone's blaming me.

Like I'm like my career is over.

I'm screwed.

Like what do I do now?

But you know, a couple minutes later, I got a call from the developers and they're like, hey, we're going to come down.

We've never had press like this.

Wow.

And

we ended up working out a deal with them and me and a partner went in and started developing this with them.

it became legislation in Alberta, Canada.

And now that company is the biggest ID scanning company in the world.

Amazing.

But what was interesting about that was just watching, you know, I don't think people realize the amount of information

that's in your ID.

I mean, it's not just your name and address.

It's DMV records.

It's all kinds of

stuff.

So, you know, when you walk into a casino here and they're scanning your ID, or you scan your ID in a normal place, like, you really don't know what they're taking off of that.

And Canada is really strict.

Each province has different rules.

The server has to be in

a high-secure facility where you get weighed in and weighed out when you walk out, has bank encryption.

You're only allowed to keep very limited data, and then you can keep it for in one province it's 24 hours, one it's a month.

And

but

privacy people are

definitely the most intense, Right.

And I think that was a big portion of why I stayed off of social media.

I stopped doing any kind of interviews or anything at that point because, man, after

they just.

I'm breaking your cherry, man.

Yeah, it's been a while.

You said the ID scanner, this fascinated me, has saved some people's lives, especially the gang people, right?

Could you explain how?

Yeah, it's really interesting.

You know, the reason that

this became such a big thing in Canada, I mean, we don't have the same issues that Canada has.

You know, Canada has a massive gang problem.

And, you know, people always, every time I tell people this, they're like, oh, Canada has gangs.

But Canada has

really intense gangs.

I mean, they have a gang called the United Nations.

They have every ethnic gang in the world pretty much is there.

The Hells Angels are huge.

They run Canada.

Wow.

Even now, I think it's just, it's different.

They don't come out in colors.

They own all the buildings downtown.

Wow.

No.

So it's...

But what would happen is

if you're a known gang member, you're not allowed in a bar in Canada.

So

these guys would come in in colors or come dressed down, and the doorman wouldn't alert the men.

They would leave and then drive by and shoot them.

And

then there was a bunch of other incidents where people would be killed inside of nightclubs.

And because of the technolog, the security technology at the time,

you have surveillance cameras, but it's low light, there's flashing lights.

And then, how do you identify the person?

Like, they just see a guy in a dark, in dark clothes, like, stab somebody.

And then, how do you find out what happens?

They never find them.

So,

in Alberta,

once this ID scanner went in,

it almost eliminated that kind of violence.

And

it's kind of crazy how it happens.

You get scanned when you walk in.

If it's a gang member, it tells the doorman it is, but it says don't stop him.

And then he walks in, and then

15 minutes later, the game task force comes with like 18 guys in combat gear almost.

Wow.

And they walk up to the guy with the computer and they're like, oh, this is you.

Pay your bill and get the f out.

Just for being part of a gang?

Yeah, being part of a gang.

Like, you also can't leave the country.

When you're part of a gang?

Yeah, so if you're a known gang member in Canada, you can't leave the country.

Really?

Yeah, it's pretty bizarre.

Wow, I didn't know that.

I mean,

from my perspective, I think that,

you know, I mean, obviously they have different rights, but I don't think you could do that in America at this point.

It's like being a felon in America, right?

You can't leave.

Yeah, but I mean, you know,

they don't let you go in a bar.

Right.

Wow.

Back to your events, though.

You were able to collect millions of email addresses.

Yeah, yeah.

So, over the years, we've collected just an enormous amount.

You showed me it.

It was something mind-boggling.

I think you were like the biggest client on Eventbrite at one point.

So, walk me through that whole come up.

Well, you know, it was

when

Eventbrite started, and again, this this is around the 2008, 2009 times, maybe a little bit before.

But being in San Francisco, that's right where all that stuff started.

And

they were spending tons and tons of money on marketing.

And

we just jumped on board.

Right timing.

Yeah, right timing.

And we obviously were doing a lot of events.

So

it just worked out.

Yeah.

What were some of the craziest things that have happened at your venues?

Oh, man.

You know,

I think

the hardest part about being in that industry is you have to watch a lot of violence.

And people get drunk, they act crazy.

I mean, there was a period in San Francisco where I was on first name basis with probably every Russian gangster in the city.

And

it wasn't by choice.

It was by default.

They would come to the club all the time, and I had to maintain a relationship with them so they didn't.

Because they spend big, so you want to keep them as a customer.

Yeah, but they spent big, but

they'd also get in fights, really violent fights.

And so if I didn't have a relationship with them, they didn't respect us.

So.

You know, it was one of those things where I definitely had a bulletproof vest in my bag

for days that I wasn't comfortable going home.

But, you know, I just, I watched a lot of violence.

And, I mean, even after I stepped out of that industry, I couldn't even watch UFC fights for a long time.

Really?

Why?

Well, I just, I watched these kids get stomped on the ground, and you couldn't stop them once they get across the street.

We can't step in.

So you had PTSD almost.

Oh, man.

And every time, even now, when I see the guy and he's knocked out and the guy's punching him,

I got to get up and leave.

I hate watching that.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's traumatizing.

And, you know, it was one of those things.

no matter what would happen, I would walk outside, and

whoever they were throwing out would walk over to me and punch me in the face,

and all the security would all laugh at me because it just happens.

It was always girls, but it was like the funniest, it didn't matter if there was police there, it was a running joke.

Oh, yeah, it didn't matter, it didn't matter.

You ever have to get in a physical fight with a guy, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it happened all the time.

I can't even picture you, like, doing that.

You know, it was always always in defense of other people.

Right.

So it wasn't, I was never the aggressor.

I just, I hate watching people get hurt.

And it was one of those things, like, even though I was running that club,

I would go in to the fight because I had, you know, eight security making sure I was safe.

Okay.

So when I went in, it was like

I would try to negotiate with people while they're fighting, which is kind of crazy.

Yeah.

But it it worked a lot of the times and sometimes it didn't.

Wow.

How are people sneaking weapons in these clubs?

I mean the the thing is

it's really hard to to uh

to get all the guns.

I mean we weren't really using metal detectors.

We were patting down at some point but most of the places were were you know we were relying on the clientele to be a little bit more high end.

And obviously that's that's changed over the years.

Right.

But I mean everybody puts metal detectors in but man y I mean they they sneak it in with their in their girl's purse.

You know, a lot of the times, like, they want the guys for guns, but

they don't think that the girl's bringing in the guns.

That's the majority of the time that that comes in.

It's with the girl.

You said you had Drake pull up one night, right?

Oh, yeah.

We did an event with Drake at San Francisco City Hall, and

it was completely crazy.

I mean, it was...

It was after a concert.

There was about 3,000 people there.

And the sheriff's department in San Francisco was doing security.

So

I knew we were in trouble right off the bat because when he walks in, they they frisked him.

The own mayor?

Yeah, so that didn't that didn't go over well.

And then

he he goes to the section and they kick out all of these tables.

Like these all these tables are spending like ten thousand, twenty thousand dollars to sit next to Drake and the sheriff's Department kicks out all the tables and they're standing around him like,

man, the manager comes over and he's like, man,

we're not into this.

This is terrible.

We don't feel safe with all the police.

So he left.

And then

the San Francisco Sheriff's Department lines up outside in riot gear.

Jesus.

Like, they got guys walking around

with like battlefield gear on with AR-15s.

And it's like, it's like, bruh.

Just because Drake left, he got pissed?

Well, I mean, no, but they were doing it to start with.

That was part of the problem.

I mean,

they were expecting a riot or something, and they created this situation.

That's insane.

What other celebrities pulled up and it just got wild?

I mean, I think that was the wildest.

I mean, there's been a lot.

I was actually, i did uh probably i did a show with lady gaga in 2008 whoa that's her peak it well i mean she she hadn't blown up at that oh that's before peak yeah it was it was right before she blew up and uh she performed with two other people on us on a subwoofer on a what on a subwoofer on a speaker oh and she was she was absolutely fantastic i mean

the funnier part it was i mean i got so much uh flack for booking her everyone like laughed at me And then two months later, she's like, she's the biggest thing on the planet.

You texted all those guys.

Yeah, you still laughed at them?

That's funny.

Steve Aoki used to be a DJ right when he started.

He used to be a resident DJ for me.

Oh, nice.

Walk me through the residency model because I know that's big in Vegas.

Is it big in other cities?

It is.

I mean, it's just somebody that you book monthly.

You know, when I started...

When I started working with Steve,

he was famous already, but he wasn't famous for being a DJ.

And that was another guy that, like, you know, there was a lot of

DJs that kind of talked about him, really.

But man, Steve was the best guy.

Like, he was the nicest guy, he was really good.

He, you know, wow, yeah, I can't imagine talking about him.

He just seems like such a nice guy.

They didn't think he was a real DJ at the time.

Oh, okay.

So they were jealous.

They were jealous.

That's absolutely what it was.

It was jealousy.

Yeah, 100%.

But yeah, it was cool.

DJ A.M.

used to to play for us a lot.

Who else?

DJ Premier, that was pretty interesting.

Grandmaster Flash.

I've had a couple really, really interesting conversations with him.

He's really, really intense.

And in the same breath, he's like, right.

Right.

So I want to talk about something insane.

You are the only person that I know that has been able to beat the Vegas reward system.

Yeah, so...

I got to hear this.

When I moved to Vegas, I didn't really gamble at all.

And then

one of these times, I actually got a flat tire.

I just bought a new car.

I clipped a curb on the way into Cosmo to go to a meeting.

My tire was flat, and I was in the second level.

And of course, there's no spare spare tire.

Oh, you were inside the parking garage.

Inside the parking garage.

You couldn't even leave.

I couldn't even leave.

So the tow truck guy comes and he's like, oh, we need a flatbed, but we can't bring a flat bed in.

And so

I got pissed, walked away.

My phone dies, and so I start playing blackjack.

And

I end up making, you know, $7,500 out of $200.

And, you know, it just started me gambling a little bit.

Yeah.

And then

maybe like a year, year and a half later, I went through this terrible breakup.

And

I started gambling on

December 31st.

And I went into this bender where I ended up spending about $30,000.

But, you know, in that 24 hours, I went up and down, you know, $400,000 or $500,000.

Not at one time.

I mean, it was obviously,

I mean, I was gambling for 24 hours.

Yeah, yeah.

But what happened was

because of that and because the reward system resets every year,

I was in the top 20 gamblers at Caesars Entertainment for

maybe a few hours or

January 1st.

Yeah.

And

in the same breath,

I got

the the highest gambling card at Caesars, but because it was, I got it the night

on the 31st, and then I got more points on the first, I got it for two years.

Whoa.

Yeah, so in 2019,

they gave me almost 300 comp hotel rooms.

That's insane.

And those are like 300 a night.

Oh, yeah.

And it wasn't, it didn't just stop there.

It was so much stuff.

I mean, they were calling me about

concerts, like the first, one of the first people to get calls about tickets.

Yeah.

Oh, is that a new thing?

Because, yeah, they give out the Vegas Golden Knights tickets, not a football one.

At the time, like, I mean, this is 2018.

This is pre-COVID.

They just started.

Yeah, it was pretty wild.

And, you know,

for this next year, I mean, I got so many benefits, and then I just barely, I would barely play at all.

And I probably spent like $2,000 or $3,000 after.

Wow.

because it lasts a year, right?

Well, it would last it was I had two years because

I because right when they reset,

it all goes to zero on the 31st.

So on the 31st this year, you're going to go back and play again?

Well, so that's that's the thing.

You know, it worked.

I went through a whole year.

Eventually, they got a little mad and kicked me out.

Because you're not gambling enough.

Yeah, I wasn't gambling at all.

Yeah.

And I was still getting comp rooms and free everything.

Man, the comp rooms alone, I mean, there's so many conferences here that you're just saving so much oh man and it was it was cool too is they had they had these lounges they're called diamond lounges I don't I don't think they have them anymore but they they would open at like noon or

two o'clock and they would stay open till midnight wow and I could bring four people in there

it was a open premium bar they serve dinner they serve food twice signed me up for that oh yeah it was great I mean I instantly moved all of my meetings there and then you know I met a bunch of really big investors because they're big gamblers.

Wow.

Yeah, they kind of go hand in hand, big gamblers and people with a lot of money that invest

Yeah, so you know, I ah after after this happened I I kind of realized you know, I met a I met a bunch of people that that were actually living in the casinos and they were they were living off of their points.

Just taking advantage, yeah.

Yeah, and and one one of the ways that they did it was uh they would give their their they would get a bunch of copies of their card and they would give them to all their friends.

So they're when their friends come into town, they're gambling and they're accumulating points for them and then they're getting to yeah, because they don't ID you when you show the card, right?

I mean, I think the only time that you could get in trouble for that is if you win.

And cash out.

Yeah.

I mean, it was a little different for me because I was at a level with Caesars where when I put my card in, a host would come over and shake my hand.

Wow.

You were on a first name basis with them.

It was pretty weird at first.

Yeah, that's...

Did you have your own host you could text to?

You know, I did initially, but I never took advantage of that.

Yeah.

And it wasn't until

when COVID happened, the shutdown happened, I lived

at Vera, Aria.

And

it was very, very crazy because the whole strip shut down, all the casinos shut down.

And the thing about Vegas is Vegas isn't designed to have the casino shut down not at all the security structure is is designed for each of the casinos to police their area or the police will be inside of the casinos right so when the casinos are shut down the police are in the street so for for the police to get from the street to the sidewalk is like a 15 minute

really yeah I mean they they have to they have to drive around all those barriers wow Oh, because they shut down even the entrances, you're saying,

right?

Because a lot of the times you got to drive through those to get somewhere, you know.

Yeah, so

it was like being out here with Mad Max.

It was crazy.

There was like bicyclers going up.

It was dead.

I remember looking out and seeing just nothing.

I mean, even for me,

I used to jog down the strip, and there was a point where I stopped because it was too dangerous.

Too scary.

Man.

Yeah.

And then, but what, but, you know, what happened after that is I started going to, you know the only things that opened were casinos.

So again, I I started I started gambling again.

Gambling again.

And you know, the same thing happened.

Yeah.

And you know, I I currently have a

you know one of the highest player

cards at at Cosmopolitan.

Yeah.

And you know, Cosmo has a really valuable card.

It it's probably the best high value card honestly with what they did.

Well, it it's it's it's it's really cool man because

the other casinos tier match it.

Oh, smart.

So, and right after I got that card, I got a platinum card with MGM.

I have an Ace card with Resorts World.

Even the Wind matched it at one point.

Wow.

Yeah, I used to have the Wind Black.

That thing was sexy, man.

Yeah, and then, you know,

it also is attached to the Marriott.

So you get a high-level Marriott card.

And then I would go and

through MGM, I got a high-level Hyatt card.

Sick.

So, you are just status matching everywhere.

Oh, man.

And what got even better about that was all of those groups have

different rewards that they're attached to.

So, MGM has a deal with Southwest and obviously Hyatt, and you can transfer your points.

I didn't even know that.

Yeah, so when you get an MGM room,

if you have your Southwest account attached, you get points for that.

Dude, I wish I knew that because I've gotten so many MGM and Cosmo rooms.

Oh, man, I've cleaned up on that.

It's crazy.

Dick.

So now you're flying for free, too, on top of it.

Flying for free.

I mean, you know, Cosmopolitan gives a ton of good benefits.

Wow.

You know,

all of these places, all of these cards, now it's free parking, free valet.

Yeah.

The valet is clutch.

Yeah, which

doesn't seem like a lot, but it's...

No, it's a lot next week because that walk from Cosmo a lot, dude, it's a long walk

to the restaurants.

You're one of the best networkers I know.

You just came back from Dubai.

You were with the craziest people in the crypto space.

How did you get so good at networking?

Well, I think that, you know.

I think necessity, but

I think, you know, being in the nightclub industry for so long, I think that's all I was really doing.

And it's at some point, you know,

after a certain amount of time, you know, I wasn't really doing any of the operational stuff.

I was just hanging out with the VIPs and making sure they would come back and building relationships.

And again, I mean,

we were meeting people like, you know, Peter Thiel and

so your advice to people would be put yourself in a situation where high-level people are going to, basically.

Yeah, and you know, nightlife and that type of stuff is, is a, is a good place to network as long as you're just not there to drink and party.

That's where people mess up, I think.

They, they get drunk and then.

Yeah, they don't realize

who they're next to.

You got people coming in that you couldn't get a meeting with.

Yeah, because if they're buying a table, they're spending 5, 10K.

They got money.

For sure.

I mean, every time you go out is a great networking opportunity.

Yeah.

And it's like, you know, obviously

there's a lot of other ones now.

And as, you know,

in 2008, in those times, I mean, it was a little bit different.

And

when we moved to

Vegas, I mean, Vegas is the best place to do that, though.

So many clubs here, man.

There's so many clubs, and

everyone comes out and they go to the same places.

Yeah.

They always end up at Excess.

They end up at Marquee.

Now it's Zouk.

Yeah, Zouk, one of the Tau Group places.

Yeah.

Which I guess is everything now.

Yeah.

So what's your strategy?

Say you pull up to a club.

Like, are you just going up to tables?

How do you approach things?

I mean, I mean, that's the thing.

I usually only go in

now when I'm with somebody that wants to go out.

But

in the beginning, it was just

get your foot in the door at one table and then you start networking with all the other tables.

Nice.

I like that.

Yeah, I don't go out to clubs, but that's one thing I would consider doing.

I mean, there's some good people there.

Yeah, it's hard for me now to do that.

I much prefer networking events and

any kind of business or crypto related events.

But, I mean, I think the other key is you got to travel.

Yeah.

I mean,

you can't just sit in one place.

You can't not move.

You got to have movement.

Absolutely.

You're not doing anything.

How do you balance dating with your lifestyle?

Because you travel almost more than anyone I know, I think, and you're super successful as well.

So do you get a lot of interesting people coming your way?

Well, you know,

dating is really hard.

And I think that

living in Vegas and dating is extremely hard.

You know, I don't think people realize this, but there's like 30,000 escorts in Vegas.

There's that many?

Yeah.

Jeez.

I know they chill in the casinos at night, right?

They chill in the casinos at night, but you know, it's one of those things.

It's like

at some point, it's, you know, when I first was here,

I couldn't tell the difference between normal.

Yeah, yeah, I hear that story all the time.

Oh, man.

And so I would just always assume every girl was an escort, so I wouldn't talk to them.

I've heard stories of their hooking up in the casino.

They go upstairs, 500 bucks.

What?

I I mean, I don't know.

I think it's just Vegas is also, I mean, it's changed in the past few years.

Since you moved here, especially,

it's a little different because there's more of a community.

Yeah, it was very transient for a while.

So it was one of those things.

It's really hard to date here.

And, you know, moving to Miami, Miami is the same thing.

That might be even tougher, man.

It's more materialistic.

The girls all speak Spanish.

Yeah.

No.

Everyone has problems, I guess.

But yeah, you know, dating is really tough, man.

You have to decide.

I mean,

I know some people have a good relationship balance with work, but

I'm not really that good at it.

I've really had to sacrifice a lot of relationships for the movement.

Right.

So you don't think there's a balance?

It's just all in.

No, there is a balance.

I think the best thing to do is to find one really solid girl that can hold you down and and be at your house when you come home and you know support you uh emotionally and and you know I yeah, I attribute a lot of my success to that.

I was lucky and found that early, you know?

Yeah, man, it's it's it's one of those things.

I I think I when I went into this gambling spree, it was because I lost one of those.

And the cause of that was you just working too much, basically.

Yeah, it was me working too much.

That's always what it is with entrepreneurs, I noticed.

We choose to work and then we don't want to balance the timeout with them.

Well, and now it's terrible because

I just,

my tolerance is so small that I just,

I mean, any little thing, I'm not.

Yeah, they say it gets tougher the older you get, right?

Oh, yeah, it's definitely the dating pool.

They start getting worried in the 30s about having kids.

Well, that's the problem.

Now, now everyone wants to have kids.

They want to rush.

And, like, to be fair, like, I'm not ready for that.

So

I don't want to deceive somebody and pretend like I'm

going to do that.

We just had someone come on.

He was, I think, 61.

You just had a kid.

Yeah,

I'm on that path right now.

I was like, I haven't heard of that late, but to each their own, you know?

Now, you know, I mean,

I have some really amazing...

girls in my life that are friends, but, you know,

like I said, dating is really difficult.

And

I think once you realize that that isn't the focus, you're able to build more genuine relationships.

Absolutely.

So you believe guys and girls can be friends?

Yeah, I mean, they can.

I mean, obviously, I think there's always some sort of sexual tension or some,

you know,

something could happen at any point.

So

I'm just saying, like,

there is, there is,

I don't know if I would feel really comfortable with my

wife having a bunch of guys that are her friends that I didn't know.

Right.

Yeah, there's a limit for sure.

It's just human instinct, right?

Yeah.

But I think, yeah, well, that's exactly it.

It's human instinct.

Yeah.

But, I mean, yeah, I think guys and girls can be friends.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with you, though.

My girl, nah, she can't have like 10 guy friends.

No, for sure not.

She has a gay guy friend, which I'm cool with.

Yeah, I mean,

I have a couple people in my life that

I look at as brothers and I'm comfortable with them.

Right.

Yeah, that's different for sure.

What's next for you, man?

Well, you know, it's funny because we actually developed something that was kind of

a play on this Casino Rewards system.

Let's hear it.

It's a blockchain-based rewards program.

that is

it's kind of a mixture between American the concierge you get with American American Express and then

the casino rewards program from the Cosmo.

But it's blockchain-based.

Our development company is probably

the world leader in financial security when it comes to currency.

They make the security features for currency in 80 countries.

It's a German company.

It's been quite an experience.

You know, ironically, I met them at CES last year nice so I I wasn't even thinking I was gonna come to CES and yeah I I ran into them there and and they've completely changed my life when it conferences man that one was overwhelming though I didn't know where the hell to go like I think I even met no we did but you know the thing is like most of it wasn't good yeah

yeah like the the the actual conference wasn't good but just yeah man I met I met two or three relationships out of that.

That are that's all it takes.

Oh, man, meet one or two guys every conference, change your life.

And that's the justification for going out and doing that stuff.

You know, I showed up every day, I wore a suit every day, even when I was tired, even when I didn't want to, even when I didn't, you know, I met them on the last day.

Wow, I couldn't walk for a week afterwards because it was so spread out.

Yeah, we walked like three miles that day, I think, for sure.

Take the Tesla loop, yeah.

That was a good day, man.

Uh, where can people find you?

Um, well, you could you could check out our new project, It's

key2.io.

Like I said,

it's the key to each city.

So

it's a membership rewards program that

is

your actual key to each city.

We're going to launch during Formula One in Vegas in November.

Obviously, Vegas, we're doing New York, San Francisco, LA, Miami.

And then after that, it's London, Dubai, Abu Dhabi,

Paris, Geneva, and you know, South America.

Love it, man.

Thanks for watching, guys, Digital Social Hour.

I'll see you next time.