Uncovering the Dark Side of the Music Industry with Charleston White | Digital Social Hour #75

So you don't work with the police at all.

You're not a paid informant or anything like that.

No.

I wish I could be.

I swear to God, I wish I could.

Nah, man, they say I'm a FBI.

Yeah, you see that a lot.

Are you do you not like Asians?

And that's where all this come from.

And I can't call them a racist name.

Okay.

You ain't no n.

But you gonna talk to me like, man, y'all mad.

Hey, and I feel like, man, how you doing?

So you wasn't mad at all Asian you, man.

I don't know.

I'm mad at ASUs.

I'm good, guys.

So, so, so

welcome to the Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly.

Here are my co-host Wayne Lewis.

What up, what up?

You're our guest today, Charleston White.

What's up, what did you do?

Festival

talker.

Yeah, I thought I was being kidnapped and attacked last time, so I ran out, ran out the parking lot, but I was in the wrong place.

So I'm glad to be in the right place.

Yeah, right.

I would never set you up, man.

I got you.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't know.

You get all kinds of warnings.

He got in security with him.

Yo, he rode with security, y'all.

Yeah.

I know right now.

He hosted.

And so, so, you know, everybody tell me, man, when you go to the west coast, they're going to get you.

Don't go to LA.

Don't go to Vegas.

I mean, but you got to understand why, though, I do.

You done talked a lot about Nip.

I do.

and And then all that i do

uh uh i've i've actually had some people try to get me to uh uh you know sit down uh with nip's brother but he ain't have it he don't want to have it and i understand uh but but for the most part those who understand the the message uh in the in the unorthodox way that i'm trying to relay it yeah they also get it too right uh because it I didn't get it until I went to Nip's funeral.

You know what I'm saying?

Because prior to Nipsey's funeral,

most people really didn't know much about him other than his videos, his music.

And then that was his fans who loved his music.

Outside of his fans, we had very little knowledge in depth of who he was as a man.

And so

I went to the funeral saying, man, well, who is this guy?

Why is everybody in my city, in my state, celebrating him?

So when I went to try to find out who Nipsey Hussle was, I found out about a guy by the name of Irbis.

and so throughout that whole funeral

90% to 95% what I heard was a guy by the name of Irmus right so I walked away with a whole different

perspective yeah so did you have you ever apologized for yeah I yeah I came out of character and made it known that I've never spoke ill and will of the man and I want to uplift the name Irmis homie if we stay stuck on Nip then Nip will never go in the history books he'll stay attached to the hip-hop culture

I've met people from his country and from his land.

They honor his name because his name has a meaning.

So, are you apologizing?

Is this an apology?

Yeah, on the word.

Wait, what does his name mean?

It means of God, right?

Yeah, or

something having to do with God.

He's Eritrean.

Yeah, Etrian

from the nationality from that country.

So

those people have a lot of pride

in who he is and what he represented outside of rap and rolling 60s.

If we get stuck on Nip, we get stuck on the 60s.

Because Nip overall was ultimately rolling 60s.

But you're basically saying Nip didn't define the actual character who he was.

Nip was a character,

but you actually learning about the personality itself.

He read about astrology.

Oh, he was super smart.

But we don't know that.

So that's why he was able to deliver the type of message he was given in his lyrics

and even his community work.

So after the funeral,

I went to the funeral with the 60s.

So I rode back in the Sprinter van with the 60s.

So I got to meet

the founders and the leaders and some of the ones who

started

that game.

And one in particular was by a guy by the name of Psych, Raymond Washington's best friend.

So he was the godfather of Raymond Washington's daughter,

Ray Ray.

So he gave me a ride back to where I was staying in LA.

So I was standing in the Denver lane off of Imperial in Vermont.

That's where I was standing at the time when I had moved back to Texas and came back to the funeral.

So he had told me a story and a scenario about

when Iramis was 12 years old before he got into the game.

And he asked one of the big homies, big homie, why you gangbang.

And he said that he gangbanged.

He told Nip that he gangbanged because he was born to.

And he said this 11, 12-year-old kid named Irmus,

who grew up to be Nipsey, said, Big homie, when I grow up, I'm going to take care of the hood.

And that was the 11 and 12-year-old kid who grew up and took care of the hood.

So I got to learn something different outside his music.

After that, I started listening to his music.

You see what I'm saying?

So I got to learn him backwards.

So in your case, you're basically saying that

the character, not the man.

You were misunderstood.

Well,

I'm trying to.

Are you default?

You're commonly misunderstood?

Oh, actually.

Well, let me just stick to this.

Imagery is what controls us in the culture now, whether it's a gangster image.

And so

Nip didn't have a gangster image.

What he was associated with and how he died represents gangsterism.

What's the perception that But if we uplift him as a man, homie, the man is what was able for him to bring the Mexicans,

the blacks, the Crips,

all that came together, homie.

After the funeral in the neighborhood.

Yeah, so it wasn't a gangster Nip that did it.

It was the man.

It was his person.

So I'm saying, okay, homie, at some point, we can say f ⁇ C Nut.

That was my little gang name because it's the character.

We can say

uh

the rapper and not the man i got you the man is who we want to associate with and not the rapper and what's happening now we're getting stuck on the rapper and we never get to know who he is as a man as a father as a son uh and ultimately uh we box them in to never be able to come out their character so they got to stay gangsta all the time right And so I was trying to attack the character in the image that's portrayed into the culture.

Not the actual person itself.

Not the actual person itself.

It was risky

because but why not just say that versus allowing it to just kind of linger and

get someone's backlash because it takes away from the power of it

anytime you come out and explain it, explain what you're doing.

That's a sign of weakness.

Let it be effective.

No, because sometimes you have to explain so people can have a better understanding of

how they articulate the assumptions.

It's not for everybody to understand.

Those who understand it understood it already.

Yeah, but most people don't.

But I'm not for everybody.

What?

The majority?

Well, I'm not trying to say the world.

I only have my words are for those that hear.

And those that have, those that have ears will hear.

Everybody's not going to hear.

Everybody's just blind, period.

They're not going to get it no matter what.

I'm only here for those that can get it.

You can't please everybody.

That's where I'm at with it.

So it's like when an author writes a book.

He cannot write a book with the listeners in mind.

He just got to write the book according to how he want to tell the story.

Whoever don't get it, just don't get it.

So, why do you feel like most of the

culture or rap industry

beef with you or they don't like you?

Is it because of your delivery?

Because you're so truthful.

I hadn't seen it, homie, because everywhere I meet the rappers, I get love.

Wow.

Like Andrew Tate.

From Kevin Gates.

Home, I get love.

So is it just an online thing?

It's just an online thing.

So they don't like you online, but in person, it's what's up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's respect yeah so what what what person hates you online but loves you in person

i've never i've never had no nobody directly

uh other other than those who love gang banging uh other other than those who support black people other than that i don't have no problem with nothing in life uh only hire security when i'm on the road uh so so so the people who with me can have a peace of mind but uh i flew here by myself i fly around the country mostly by myself uh it's only online that the backlash is because you got,

you got, my analytical data

is from

18 down to 65 up.

That's a wide range.

So that means you got kids on there trolling.

But in person, I get all the love.

Yeah, so it's

the internet is confusing, deceptive, and misleading.

It'll make you think the world hates people when they really don't like people.

It'll make you think it loves people when it really don't love nobody.

It's just likes and shares.

So I figured out how to play on the internet because most people on the internet, to me, is dumb and stupid.

That's why you don't see business people and intellectual people on the internet commenting, liking, and sharing.

I play

on the fact that these are the

most uninformed people.

So you're like the ultimate troll.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I wake up and I get off to it.

Oh, I get off to it, man.

I ain't even got to get a like or a sheriff.

It's just 10 bucks to troll.

So the thing with you on WAC 100, what was that?

Yeah, yeah, that's real.

So y'all don't with each other.

Nah, nah, I hate WAC 100 with every fiber and bean of my body.

Yeah, yeah, I hate everything about WAC 100.

I hate the way he looks.

I think he's a horribly ugly man.

I think he's probably the most cowardice guy in the industry

because he hides behind on power.

At some point, as a man, my word just got to be my word.

It ain't no power.

It's not enforced by own God.

I ain't got to swear on nothing.

I just said it because I'm a man.

Because at the end of the day, a man is only as good as his word.

So when I listen to WAC 100, I say, well, what does he bring?

On Clubhouse everyday arguing.

So

I made a statement one time, and this is how I got his attention.

That

do a lot of research, homie.

And so when you look at

some of the research on these rappers,

homie, they got some allegations in court cases on them that says, yeah, they may be good rappers, but they're not good men.

They're not good people.

And the game is in particular.

He's lost

some publishing rights for some he'd done to some kids, a girl that was supposed to be under age.

Those are court documents and court cases on the game.

The game, you can Google it right now.

Wow.

So, so, so, so, when I said that, uh, WAC 100 tried to attack me, and then he lied and said I was a preacher.

Let me just say this, man.

Like

a pastor?

Yeah, a pastor.

Like a man.

Yeah, a man that had been in prison for 30 years.

Who let the mother be in prison for 30 years and come pastor a church?

What congregation he gonna have?

So

he just be saying some shit, homie.

Then one minute, I got he got paperwork on me.

at this point.

Well, is there paperwork out there?

Let me just say this: do you work directly with the police?

No, let me just say this, homie.

They done showed y'all paperwork on everybody.

Yeah, there is.

They've got documents on Tupac.

So let me just say this.

At this point, wouldn't they have paperwork on me?

Wouldn't it be a saying, look, right here, this Charleston?

Man, I done disrespected and said something about everything.

If I was a punk, wouldn't the punk been told, say, wouldn't, hey, listen, me and him, if I was buying crack, the sell me, the n that answer the door gonna say, hey, you know, it be coming over here.

Or the who sell me the go tell his girl, man.

Be smoking this.

She go to the beauty shop and say it.

If a was sticking a deal though,

at this point where I'm at, won't nobody hold my secret.

That's a fact, that's a fact.

Come on.

So you've never snitched on a listen.

Listen to me, homie.

Why hadn't nobody even showed my arrest record?

Think about this.

Nobody had even pulled up my arrest record to show what I've been arrested for, but they showing mug shots.

Why won't nobody even show my arrest record?

Home, I ain't been in trouble with the law.

I caught a case as a kid in 1991 at the age of 14.

I went into a juvenile system.

So you came out at I ain't nobody.

I went in at 14.

I came out at 21.

So why did they keep you that long?

If you didn't do nothing, because

so you

nobody.

Listen, if me and you go, if all three of us go somewhere and nobody, when we come out together, kill somebody according to the law.

I got you.

No, I ain't no law say y'all done this.

If one person go in and rob and come out and get in the car and we drive off, y'all robbed.

But let's look at this.

When one in the gang kills somebody, don't the whole gang claim that we like they done this?

Yeah, everybody.

Yeah, we slid on them.

Woo, woo, woo.

So come on now.

So take responsibility when the law comes.

That's what you be saying.

No, that ain't what what I've been saying that's that's that's that's what's that's what happened homie right if you participate in something you're just as guilty as an accomplice

and in Texas they don't have no accomplice they don't you don't ain't no accessory all y'all did it in Texas wow

everybody charged with capital

that was there

everybody everybody that knows if you're there before the crime and you go and you're there after the crime,

you didn't committed that crime.

So I got out at 21.

My record was sealed.

I don't have no felony convictions.

My juvenile record was sealed.

So there's no history of this crime being committed.

So

when you say paperwork, I get out at 21.

I haven't been in no trouble as an adult.

Little weed case, girl, little pistol case girl.

Yeah, homicide.

So you don't work with the police at all.

You're not a paid informant or anything like that.

No.

I wish I could be.

I swear to God, I wish I could be.

So those rumors and speculations,

those aren't true.

No, man, they say I'm an FBI agent.

Yeah, you see that a lot.

Yeah.

Well,

most niggas who are FBI agents

are

confidential informants so if I was an FBI agent and I worked with the police, how good could I be being identified as working with the police?

How good can a police be?

Hey, Hey, y'all he the police?

How can I get anybody?

Yeah.

Well, because you brag about getting people locked up.

Oh, well, I brag about getting people locked up as a law-abiding citizen who's being threatened by gangsters online.

So you're basically like, it's f ⁇ me, f ⁇ you.

No, it's not f ⁇ me, f ⁇ you.

If you threaten me, why would it's not f ⁇ you?

You threaten me.

I don't know you.

Why are you online threatening me because I'm talking?

Why are you online threatening me asking for my location wanting to harm me I don't know you

you don't know me you know what I look like I don't know what you look like but you type in threats why wouldn't I say hey this guy's threatening me

I'm a law-abiding citizen if you think I'm the police why are you threatening me So if I'm really the police, why are all these guys threatening me?

Why are all these guys making videos about if they really believe i'm the police well boosty said he stayed away from me like no i ain't with that oh

well

if i'm really the police why even talk about it why even say i'm staying away from it if they really believe i'm the police yeah think about that

so that's what i'm trying to teach kids homie these bull

the rappers you're talking about because why would they if they really think i'm the police why would they bring my name up why would they even why would they even come toward me yeah I don't with the police so we turn away from the police if I don't watch gay and I'm not watching gay

it's just if so if you don't with the police why you online watching them

you don't with the police so if they really believe I'm the police how can I have a billion views on tick tock I'm surpassing me and say cheese TV alone they're got a billion views so they really think I'm the police how can I how can I garner this much attention They can't believe I'm the police.

That's just the narrative that motherfuckers hide behind in this culture because everybody's playing street.

If I'm not a street person, why do I give a fuck about a snitch or the police?

Why do I give a f ⁇ about snitching if I'm not a street person?

I go to work every day.

Why wouldn't I like a snitch?

If mother breaking my house, I want somebody.

Hey, who told me who told me mother broke my house?

I'm about to tell.

When my mama gets shot or killed, I want somebody to tell.

So you mean to tell me don't want nobody to tell at all?

It don't make no sense, right?

Yeah, it doesn't have to be.

You mean to tell me don't believe the police is good in no situations?

Right.

Come on, man.

We got to kill that shit, man.

So that's what I showed up to do.

I showed up to be the Robin Hood for good or law-abiding citizen.

Neighborhood crime watching.

Kids tell.

Tell if you see something in school.

Yeah, man.

That no, no, it's all right to tell.

If four motherfuckers riding in the car and you can't fight and you scared to go to jail, tell

Tell to get out of jail.

Stop wasting money.

Tell to get out of jail.

It's a new day.

It's a new motherfucking day.

Oh, man.

Tell her to get out of jail.

Yeah, that's my motto.

Put that on a shirt.

Tell her to get out of jail.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Do you think any of these rappers are snitching or their informants?

Yeah, I think a lot of them are.

Really?

Can Can you name a few?

I think all of them.

I think all of them are.

All of them?

Because, for one, they're snitching in their lyrics.

That's a fact.

Yeah, that's true.

That's a number one fact.

But sometimes.

There's no buts.

But lyrics are lyrics to me.

No, no, no, no.

Lyrics aren't lyrics.

Lyrics used to be lyrics when we had studio gangsters.

Easy E and Ice Cube Nim was studio gangsters.

Those was lyrics.

Tupac was the first one to start trying to live in after lyrics with the hit em up.

That's when they started.

When Tupac started going with the hit em up and going, that's when started living out.

That's when they start trying to really live according to what they were saying.

Prior to that, it was studio gangsters.

That's why Tupac now was shaming MC Hammer for being a pop core.

So now we making rappers have to live up to their lyrics.

Now,

these niggas is rapping real because if they were just rapping lyrics, we wouldn't have never knew about Smoking Tuca.

Is that what you feel about Dirk?

You feel like that Dirk says is real?

Uh, we wouldn't have never knew about Smoking Tuca.

If it wasn't real, the FBI would have never been able to saw FBG ducks

if they weren't real lyrics.

Wow, so they're snitching on themselves.

If they wasn't real lyrics, then we wouldn't know about some of the things that King Vaughn was about and what he was talking about.

He made a whole song by somebody.

He

uh, five of the witnesses came up dead in his case.

That's the only way he got out of jail.

The one kid that's fighting the case right now.

Come on, homie.

I talked to one of the victim's aunts, homie, years, years prior to the case.

Do you think he's guilty?

I know he's guilty.

Science says he's guilty.

Science.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

They're definitely pulling out some.

Yeah, signs says he's guilty.

Logic and reason says he's guilty.

Two of your friends show up dead and you don't have no explanation.

You can't get no identification of nothing?

And you a shooter?

You a cue of

how you say in your lyric, you don't see nothing?

And don't nobody come up dead for it?

Yeah, nah, homie.

I'm part of the culture.

I'm from the culture.

I once lived in the culture.

I once submerged myself in this culture and believed in my heart that what they said in those lyrics is what we should live by as if it was biblical terms.

Yeah, I was a kid that was in.

I used to live by those words only to realize we was tricked.

We're being tricked, homie, and played on with them rap lyrics, listening and believing

from the way we,

the way we get high and do we don't know what to use and to them start telling us.

We didn't know about purpose sites to they start rapping about

we didn't know we didn't know what this opioid was till they introduced us to it.

Now they got us on fentanyl.

Kodak Black said, I knew the perk.

They got the babies on on it because we grown.

We have logic and reason.

We have a developed brain.

But we're not listening to this with an undeveloped brain.

Our babies are.

Me and you ain't shooting and right now.

The babies are.

When me and you were growing up, 10 and 12-year-old wasn't drilling.

10 and 12-year-old now.

They don't the fentanyl.

They popping the pill.

Even though I know it's fake,

I still ate it.

They the gremlins now.

So they telling us what the deal is.

How can we ignore it?

So I can't ignore it.

I've been working with kids for too long.

So what I did, I came and hold up a mirror to the court.

You assuk my d, you crack lie.

So that's how they talk to one another.

And if you don't talk like that, don't nobody listen to you.

Wow.

So you think the messaging in hip-hop is damaging?

Yeah, very damaging.

No, it is.

Yeah, very damaging.

It's programming.

It's almost propaganda

like the Germans use.

It's the same propaganda that Hitler used to create this fear

and this hatred toward the Jews.

It's almost the exact same thing in the cartoons and the messaging, except we're doing it to one another.

We can't blame the music industry, right?

Because they don't write the lyrics.

They don't.

Do you feel like they're pushing homosexuality on kids, too?

Yeah.

I think children are being fed what adults are fed.

There was a time in this country when everybody knew on Saturday mornings that there would be no advertising played during the commercial times when children was watching T V.

The minds and the ears and the eyes of children were off limits to advertisers.

Now

because of social media and technology, advertisers have full access to our children's minds.

Television has full access to their souls, their minds, their will, and their emotions.

We can't censor what our kids see anymore.

So I don't think they're just pushing homosexuality.

I just think they're pushing

adult reality, life off on children and leaving it for them to have to process and filter everything.

Or to the adults.

And because if you're poor, it's hard to filter what your children see.

Yeah.

I could.

Yeah, their innocence is being taken away at a young age.

Yeah, yeah.

As early as they can start to understand stop,

don't,

yes, and no.

Because what's one of the first things we give a child once they start walking and stop sticking in the plug?

We give them a phone to look at.

And they start hitting the phone, hitting the phone, hitting the phone.

Well, it's convenient for a single mother because it keeps the kid busy.

It keeps him out of trouble.

It keeps us more time for us to look at our phones.

When they get through looking at the phone, what do they pick up?

A fing joystick.

Now they're on the game.

So they never,

and from what I see,

they interacting with adults on the phone, and then you look up, they got them goddamn headphones on arguing with another grown m shooting bullets on the call of duty across the world.

So

I heard TK Kirkland say this morning,

social media have now allowed children to sit at the table with adults and have a conversation.

That's why the respect is gone as far as the authority goes.

They talk back to the teachers, police officers.

Because they'll get online with me, believing I'm a 53, 60-year-old man, and so

out of me.

Say some of the most horrible things.

I'm saying, man, you think I'm old.

And they say they'll kick your ass, but you think I'm old.

And you'll kick.

So that means you'll kick your uncle's.

That means if you catch the drunk uncle at the family reunion talking, you'll kick his, even though you know he's 60-something years old.

So that's the generation of young guys we got today.

The old dope fiend in the neighborhood, you give him a pass.

The old drunk on the corner saying, you, I'll you up, even if he swing at you, you give him a pass.

He's old, man.

Come on, homie.

The old woman coming, you give passes.

This is the generation, they ain't giving pass to nobody.

So

at some point,

we have to define what's right and what's wrong to this new era and new generation.

We think

okay

because we say

you don't but the culture do because if we didn't we wouldn't say free to look if we didn't think it was okay there was there would be no way King Vaughn would have a mural in Chicago when there's documentation from the government and state and local authorities that killed over five or six people.

So if he was still alive, he'd have been in jail anyway.

This is what I'm saying.

He has a mural.

And this culture celebrates him.

Our children love him.

Those are seeds who think

is okay.

And nobody in this culture have ever came out and denounced and spoke out against him.

You have celebrities who go take pictures

alongside of that mural.

Play basketball with the kids.

So I'm saying, come on, homie, we embrace in this.

So

once did I once put together an event with Tuca's mother FBG duck's mother and and I called the event

change me so I got Tuca's mother FBG duck's mother I got Lil Snoop's mother

man who else mom was there and Mo 3's mom

also I got a criminal a criminal court judge who who oversees all the juvenile murder cases in Tarran County.

Then I got the head prosecutor of the homicide division of Dallas County who oversees all the young cases.

And I got them on stage

and then I went and got four guys who committed when they was children.

And I wanted to recreate what a trial would look like in the form of a town hall meeting.

And I called

Change Me.

And I posed a question

for the panelists.

What does

look like today in the black community?

So I want to hear what the prosecutor says it look like, what the judge says says it look like what these mothers who have buried their kids says look like and then what

say it look like after they done done time and now they reform right so the question is what what does it look like in the black community when every time a n ⁇ get

you got his people saying free my free the

free wife no he done kill somebody

boosie going to this trial On the other side, you got the victim's family saying, long live my family.

Where do we stand at?

You know, he done killed somebody.

No, homie, let him go pay his dues.

Won't we pay homage to the victims?

You ain't seen now, rapper pay homage to no victim of a crime yet, homie.

But soon as a rapper get, they get all this love.

Soon as a rapper catch a case and kill somebody, they get all this support.

So I'm saying, homie, what about these mothers?

What about the,

I spoke in with Doby's mother.

Homie, she's suffering and struggling.

I spoke in with two.

Two dudes from Dallas, right?

No, no.

Doby is the one out of Alabama, the T I had with the patch on.

That's Mo 3 from Dallas.

I spoke

with Soldier Slim's family.

How about Dolph?

You spoke with his people?

No, no.

I went to Memphis the day of the funeral and spoke at Sherwood

Elementary School the day after the funeral.

And saw how somber it was.

The children are the victims.

Because what it looked like, homie,

is

just as prestigious as NBA players in the black community.

Wow.

They're praised.

It's crazy.

They're admired and they're honored.

And the industry honors them as well, homie.

So even.

They promote them.

They allow them to pay.

Why do they do that?

Just because the...

The black community itself, bro, we have no leadership.

So a leader is anyone who takes on that role.

So usually

they're scary.

You know what I'm saying?

We got bosses.

People respect them.

So what a leader does, a leader.

In certain neighborhoods, is what he's saying.

Homie, listen.

I come from an era where when gang banging came, the old in the neighborhood, what?

Nigga a gang.

That's old cow.

Won't nobody say that today?

Won't nobody stand up and say gang members are cowards.

Go look at every gang member that's telling the story.

He at a park.

He don't own nothing.

His woman helped him get his credit together.

He didn't, he don't know, he don't own no sheets in the house.

He can't fix nothing, but we honor these.

OG so-and-so, man.

So,

so when you hear WAC 100 and all these guys uplifting this own Pairu, they make it seem as this is

as if Pyru, as if Crip, as if blood, as if GD and BD is something honorable and it's not.

They ain't shot a gun at a white Klansman.

They ain't ain't headbutted no white

bandito.

When they go to jail, they get along with one another so the Mexican don't run over.

So the same enthusiasm that y'all use in jail to get along and eat from each other bowls and spreads, why y'all can't do that at home?

So the Crip's been around and blood's been around 50 years.

Rap music been around just as long.

When you look at it, they have caused just as much destruction and detriment as slavery and the Ku Klux Klan.

They running side to side with each other, trying to see who go win.

And right now, gangbanging surpassed slavery.

He's speaking facts, yeah.

South I like.

Yeah, because they have a huge influence.

You got to understand.

He's saying that it was just as detrimental as slavery because it's the influence and it's the constant influence.

Every time you turn on a song, anytime you go to a hood, it's being pushed up on you.

So that in turn pushes some of the kids into criminal activity, gets them incarcerated.

So it's kind of slavery in itself, but this is in a programming, more sophisticated way.

So now, what do you hear Ice Cube saying?

Ice Cube is saying now these guys who own these record labels also now have some ownership in prisons.

We thought that was a myth at one point in time.

And they have life insurance on the rappers.

Come on.

Wow.

They own the prisons, though?

They have some kind of stake in them, and they have life insurance on their artists.

It's like they're taking over every single

well, yeah, because it's a domino effect.

But it's not.

When they look at it, they see our

tragedy

and our detriment.

It's a profit for them.

It's a number.

Yes, it's a profit.

Now, we know

at this point in history and in time, black people know everything.

We know every goddamn thing.

We know we the first Jews.

We can tell you about Jesus' feet was black.

We know everything except how to build together.

We know everything except how to manufacture something, how to create something strictly for us, how to produce something.

Right?

We argue and debate everything.

We know everything.

We know how the white man tricked us back when this.

We know, okay, so we know all these tricks and traps.

Why we can't avoid them now?

We live in an information age where, okay, our ancestors didn't know.

We say they didn't know this.

So we got all this knowledge.

We got all this information.

Why can't we build like the people before us who could build with very little information?

The slaves built Wall Street 1920,

Slocum, Texas, Rosewood,

Detroit, Michigan.

Man, you can go to Atlanta, LA, watch what them people did in the fifth.

Why we can't recreate that with all this knowledge and information that we have now and nothing can be hidden because we live in an information age.

We live in an information age where at this point in time, we can find out about anything.

We can learn how to do anything.

Why we can't come together and do it since we know so much.

It's the culture of the music.

The music,

at one point in time, was a musician.

You don't believe it's the divide, though?

You don't believe that black people can't work together because we don't want to work together?

I believe we would never work together.

Yeah, because we don't want to work together.

I believe we don't want to work together.

Yeah, we don't want to work together.

So it's not the fact that we can't do it.

It's because we don't want to do it.

I think it starts in the home.

I think how you work together is based on how you work together within your home.

Black people no longer sit down at the table and eat together for one.

There used to be a time in America,

particularly in southern black homes, where you had supper time

and everybody tried to make it home by suppertime.

And if you didn't make it home by supper time, you had a reason why you wasn't at the dinner table to eat with your family.

Making it home by supper time and sitting down eating with your family allowed you to bond and repair.

As a father, as a mother, you can look at your son, boy, why your eye red?

what's wrong with you you can look at your daughter hey what's that on your neck what's bro you so you so now you get to examine as well as hey mom can you pass me the peas now y'all breaking bread with each other hey can you share me the macaroni hey can you pass me the bread

psychologically homie that that that that instills something

uh so you begin to feel guilty when you miss supper time which oh mom i'm sorry i got to do this now homie we get our plates we put in the microwave you go that way I go that way, I go on the road.

Or we go to a restaurant,

we're not engaging.

We're looking down at the phones.

Yeah, we're not engaging.

Going to a restaurant used to be a treat, a family treat,

not a family trip,

which you did regularly, right?

That's how you build and bond with the family, cooking and eating at home.

That's why the elders always brought everybody together at some point in time.

That's why when we all eat together as a family, it seemed like it'd be the best time of the life.

Man, we got to do this again, everybody.

Oh, we got to do it.

Yeah, so

we've gotten away from that culture, right?

Now, this subculture, which was the hip-hop culture, is what 40-50 years old.

It's our primary culture, homie.

There's no more LL Cool J's.

There's no more

who make music just for the ladies.

There's no more public enemies.

The conscience,

everything is gangster.

Gangster.

So that's the complete culture drill and

drugs.

It's drilling trap.

And then there's, I mean, there's drill, trap, and then there's Drake, J.

Cole, and Kendrick, which I feel like there's, they're set apart.

Then there's La Russell, too.

I f ⁇ with La Russell.

I've never even heard his music.

La Russell?

Yeah.

He's the dude bass out of the bay.

He's independent.

Oh.

What's in the ears of the youth?

Because that's how you check the temperature of a country.

You check the temperature of the country by engaging the youth and what they listening to and what they saying.

Well, most of them listening to Dirk, young boy.

That's pretty much.

That's all I'd be pretty much hearing.

Dirt, young boy.

I hear King Vaughn.

I don't really hear King Vaughn no more.

Yeah, I see it every day.

Yeah,

every day, all day

in the comments.

Do you feel like Thug is going to get out?

Nah.

Like he's done?

No, I don't think he's done.

But you don't feel like he's getting out?

95% of people return back to the community, but I believe he's going to prison.

They've caused so much damage and destruction between those two entities,

Thug and YFN Lucy, a little crew.

How much a lot of people died behind that and what they was doing?

I don't think Gunnar snitched.

Well,

when they asked Gunnar, was he a part of a gang and was YSL a gang?

And he said, yeah, then he snitched.

Do you feel like that's snitching?

Yeah.

He is a part of it, though.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I feel like they're snitching.

Oh, if

so, he was supposed to say no?

He wasn't supposed to talk period.

Oh, he's supposed to say nothing.

He's supposed to go to trial.

And you feel like he would have got out anyway?

I don't feel like what he should have done.

I don't feel like none of them would have got out because everybody's snitching, homie.

There's no solid crews.

The mafia broke.

Sammy the Bull won the colas.

They people Sammy the Bull.

And he individual

people.

These guys are snitching in lyrics.

How do you think they're all arrested?

They got over 300 phone conversations.

Yeah, but they couldn't use none of them.

Oh, well, no matter if they could use it.

That's how they made the rest.

And even if they can't use it, they still got at least 10 or 12 of them to plea bargain 10 year probation, 5-year probation.

Because they know they're going to violate.

Not only that, by them saying I'm guilty with this, it also says he's guilty.

Remember, this is a state RICO.

It can always go over to the Feds if it don't go right with the state.

And the Feds got a 98%.

It can always go over to the state.

Because the state might funk.

Well, the Fed will come in and we go get it right if y'all want.

They did it with Boosie.

Boosie got off.

Boosie didn't get out boosie was pleading guilty that day and they and the feds say okay drop it we're gonna pick it up they don't just no the feds tell the state to drop it so they can pick it up because you can't double jail oh okay i see what you're saying you can't double jeopardy now so the state said but if you know what he did boosie was going to go plead guilty

he wasn't gonna fight that

And when you look at,

when you look at the level, homie, and the extent that they went to make an arrest for a pistol case at a rapper it's more to it than that well it's not more to it than that if we were smart we'll know that these is dumb they've been telling us about the rap police for how long forever they've been telling us the feds watching rap pole either they bullshitting us or they some stupid ass

they've been telling us the rap police watch the fed watching okay

You with real gang members.

You in a real gang neighborhood.

Man, you supposed to be a boss or a king.

Why are you moving down here with these peasants like this?

Man, I got higher security, man, with a real company.

I see.

And then out of LA.

So, you know what you got to do in California to get your gun license to be able to meet the requirements to have what they have?

And they boxers.

Them ball with Crawford.

Wow.

Box.

So, no, man, I wouldn't got professional.

I ain't getting no totem gun playing security.

Yeah.

Leaving the gun out the bag.

So, who's your top five rappers?

That's all.

Young Jeezy, my top five.

My top five is Tupac.

Okay.

Okay.

That's my, you see what I got on my shirt.

Never ignore getting goals accomplished.

Okay.

Tupac,

Pimp C,

T.

I,

Jeezy.

Lil Boosie used to be one.

I shed out Lil Boosie.

I'm

fuck with each other more.

Well, Lil Boosie,

he lost his mystique when he started getting on the internet.

Yeah, he lost his mystique.

He should have stayed off the internet.

He ain't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now he lost his mystique.

And then

Kanye.

Kanye.

But nah, man, Andre 3000.

Are you forgotten?

That's a good idea.

Yeah, with Andre 3000.

But doesn't Tupac contradict your statement of promoting violence?

Well, I don't promote violence.

I promote self-defense.

Tupac broke my heart, homie.

Tupac is the reason uh, my mind started shifting away from gang banging.

Uh,

because as a kid, you're just trying to find an identity, homie,

14, 15, 16.

Uh, your uncle a pimp, you think he wants to be a pimp because he indoctrinating you.

Uh, then, you know, you got the dancing part of the culture, MC Hammer, Big Daddy Kane.

So we dancing at one point in time, we go from dancing to all of a sudden the poli.

Man, that was a big shift.

So now you got colors, you So as a kid, you're adapting to the culture.

Right?

You don't have no traditions to keep you.

Black people don't have no traditions to keep us grounded in our values and our morals and our principles.

Right?

Why do you think that is?

Because we're not upholding the traditions of our elders.

Dr.

King said, let's go join them.

And in the process of going to go join them, we abandon us.

We used to know how how to grow our own food.

Too many today don't know how to go put no seed in the ground and grow fucking thing.

We used to know how to fish.

We used to know how to hunt.

If the car broke down, we used to fix the carburetor.

We used to fix the alternator.

Don't even know how to fix their bikes now.

Little boys' bikes get on flat, that motherfucker just quit riding.

He don't even know how to fix the tube no more.

We used to know how to take the motherfucking towel, get the glue, put fire in the hole, put it in.

We don't know how to do that no more.

We used to know how to hook up our own stereo system.

Put on our own tent.

We're not skilled with our hands no more.

We think we know how to shoot guns.

That's why we got the Draco.

We don't know how to shoot.

We don't go to the gun range.

We don't hunt.

We don't do nothing, homie.

What tradition do we have other than watching our mamas get dressed and go to work?

Learning how to cook.

Because mama done left us at home by ourselves.

So we don't have none.

So while we're at home sitting in the house learning how to cook, we're turning on the television.

And the television telling us what we should become.

We're putting on our our headphones.

The headphones is propagating and glorifying what we ought to be.

And so when we come outside, we see the

like him look like the guy on television got all the girls.

Look like the guy across the street getting up going to work dirty every day.

They laughing at him.

So that's why, homie.

So the culture.

went from us dancing on stage.

Big Daddy Kane was the coolest, smoothest dancing rapper we had.

MC Hammer Kane they start shaming him for wanting to go pop

they start dissing him for wanting to go pop

so as a kid with your young and impressionable mind you're you're you're forming these

these

opinions and thoughts about what you want to be with this undeveloped brain you don't even have logic and reason why you listening to this

that's why they have those three monkeys that has see no evil, hear no evil, spook no evil.

Those are supposed to be the babies.

So as parents, we supposed to be saying, man, what you listening to?

Man, let me hear that.

What are the you listening to?

And then try to help them understand.

Do you think he's really doing this?

So

nobody's breaking down.

And it's like debriefing a who've been held hostage somewhere.

Nobody's debriefing these kids on this shit.

And we know it's bullshit.

We know that's being rapped to these kids and us is bullshit.

And nobody's attacking it.

That's why you attack it.

Well, those are my convictions.

Now, I didn't plan to do it.

That wasn't my plan.

I just came to the internet talking about my neighborhood.

The bulldog cripping blood in my neighborhood.

And the other crib heard me online saying it and felt, well, man, you can't say that about crippling.

I don't even know y'all.

I'm talking to these in my city.

And so

I started with my local rappers.

The Goye-Yos and the Bugatti Casinos and the Mo3.

I was on Trapboard and them Friday when they were doing all with Mo3 and them.

So I started with my local rappers before I started.

So

it's just, man, I didn't plan this.

Those were just my convictions from working in the community and seeing what's destroying.

And as a black man,

that lives amongst other black people with black children

And got white friends

The problems ain't with our white counterparts.

It ain't with our Mexican counterpart

We causing more trouble than anything in America black people nothing Yeah, just for nothing and it's not in your neighborhood.

It's just amongst us

When we get in your neighborhood, we act like we can mine like a mother yo.

Are you

do you not like Asians?

I don't like Asians that say

oh, you don't like Asians that say

Asian.

And that's where all this come from.

The Asians don't mind calling me.

And I can't call them a racist name.

Okay.

You ain't no.

But you're going to talk to me like me, y'all mad

today.

And I feel like, man, how you doing?

So you wasn't mad at all Asian.

I don't know.

I'm mad at Asian.

I'm good, guys.

So then when I find out they got Asian crips that kill black people, I said, oh,

you can't go join no Asian gang and Asian.

Homie, I grew up with, I'm, I'm, I'm Dr.

King's dream.

Homie, I started going to school with whites, Asians, and Mexicans in the 80s.

The Civil Rights Legislation Act was in 1964.

So in the 70s, black people really didn't go to school with that, that segregation mark hadn't really started happening to the 80s.

So I'm the first generation of integration.

I don't come from a hateful household.

The judge who I had on my panel, Judge Alex Kim, all the black people in Terran County, swear to God, he racist.

Homie, that's my partner.

Judge Alex Kim

sat on that panel with those black mothers on that change me event.

And they thought he was racist because he sat there.

He was a judge.

He can't get any emotional.

So when people say, I hate Asian, no, man, I hate that talking Asian online.

There's always some kind of misunderstanding

narrative

when it comes to you.

So what's the beef with you and Jay Prince about?

Or is that?

Oh, there's no beef homie.

Jay Prince have never said one word.

Yeah, yeah, no, ain't no beef with it, homie.

So the internet painted that too.

Yeah, the internet painted that.

And I didn't have no event in Houston, homie.

Yeah, because they were saying that you had an event in the poll.

I got invited to speak at a youth mentoring summit

with this lady called Miss Papp.

And she has an organization called Parents Against Predators.

So I was scheduled to speak.

So it's right after Quavo's takeoff.

Was it takeoffs?

Offices, takeoffs deaths.

Yeah.

So it right after takeoff death.

That was a crazy thing.

Yeah.

So this was right off takeoff death.

So because the internet, right?

So when I posted the event, there's a lot of people on the internet that done call the FBI on me and say, hey, man, he people and he's threatening.

So they make a lot of calls, homie.

So they was calling the city of the city of Houston mayor's office and was saying all type of things about me.

He's going to cause this.

So all the thing the mayor's office knows, man, we got a bunch of calls.

Man, this guy bringing some bad, bringing a bad look.

So rather than bringing a bad look to the event,

I withdrawn.

But the city of Houston said, hey, man, maybe he shouldn't come if he's going to, but they don't know.

I'm just getting people from the internet calling because we got the information posted.

So you don't have no beef with Jay Prince.

No, no, no.

I ain't got no beef with nobody, homie.

I've never robbed robbed nobody.

I've never shot at nobody.

I've never broken nobody's house.

I ain't jumped on nobody's sister.

Yeah, but you talk a lot.

But it's some people, a lot of people.

And I ain't got, and who am I talking to?

The internet?

Yeah, but your platform is bigger than a lot of people.

But who am I talking to?

So this is what I want to know.

Who's sitting around in their feelings as a man listening to another man, worried about what another man is?

You know how sensitive the world is.

Come die about it, is what I say.

Yeah, yeah, if you got a problem with what I say, come hit me in my mouth.

Other than that, you ain't really got no problem.

Because how can you have a problem with what a man's saying online that you don't know?

For one, if you got a woman,

number two, if you got to feed kids, if you got to pay bills.

Only people mad at me is broke

online, weak

in their feelings.

People who ain't got nothing else better to do in life but to listen to what another man's saying because I don't send out invitation to be heard.

You can't find one video where I say, hey, y'all like, share, subscribe.

I don't never never do that.

I don't post my cash apps.

Hey, y'all hit my cash out.

I just get online and talk without a script.

And all of my conversation is based off what's written in the comments.

Yeah.

You better not come to New York.

Oh,

New York.

Oh, he's this New York.

Man, you better

King Von behind you.

Fuck King Von.

So that's all my that's all my conversation is.

They say you never get hate from people doing better than you.

It's always from below.

Yeah, well, T.I.

T.K.

from all over.

Yeah, yeah.

T.I., T.I., they tried to shut me down.

They made Funny Marco take the video down.

They made Revolt on Big Facts take it down.

T.I.

did this?

Yeah, yeah.

Since he's in your top five?

Yeah, he's still in my top five.

And I still wear a coup clothing.

So, wait, so T.I.

don't with you.

I don't know who don't with me.

You know who don't with you.

I don't know him, homie.

Oh, you don't know T.I.?

I don't know T.I.

Oh.

How am I?

I ain't no celebrity.

Nah, I know.

I just, I mean, I figured out.

Y'all have some kind of relationship.

Nah, I don't know know none of these.

Soldier boy, none of them.

He just got mace for nothing.

So how y'all be running into each other?

I'm out in public.

I'm a normal guy that's still a part of the culture.

I still listen to rap music even though I know they bullshit.

I'm grown with an adult brain that can process this music.

I listen to Luther Van Dross even though he might be gay.

I listen to Freddie Jackson even though he might be gay.

I still can rhyme.

Yeah, so I can decipher.

Yeah, yeah, nah, man.

So I'm still a part of the culture.

I still love the culture.

I still love my people.

Even though I hate some of my people in their actions,

I can still embrace it.

So I'm going to see these people.

I'm going to bump into them, homie.

Me and Kevin Gage,

what, Fredo Bain?

Man, I done seen all of them, homie.

What's the one out of DC?

T Grizzly?

T Grizzly from Detroit.

What's the one out of

one be going?

T-Rail.

T-Rail out of...

I don't know him.

Man, I don't know.

I thought it was a nice thing.

Fat Trail?

Fat Trail.

That's his name.

Fat Trail from Detroit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I done been in this.

Yeah, man, Fat Trail.

How many?

I see them all.

What's next for you, and what are you trying to promote, man?

Man, well, you know, I'm Live Nation Comedy Tour now.

Oh, you on Live Nation?

Yeah, I'm on Twitch.

We got a show tomorrow, right?

Yeah, tonight.

Tonight and tomorrow.

Mandalay Bay, man, House of Blue.

House of Blues.

I'm hosting TK Kirkland's Grown Folks Talking To A Man, sponsored by Live Nation.

56 cities, four countries.

So your summer's over.

You working?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

From October to now, October BT weekend in Atlanta was my first comedy show.

I sold out

at the Uptown Comedy Corner.

I've done 30 shows since then.

I've sold out 28 shows.

I just came off doing five shows

in Jacksonville.

Then three days,

show in Tampa,

two shows in Orlando.

Now I'm here to do a show in Vegas tonight.

I'll be in San Diego tomorrow.

So I got the podcast.

I got my own podcast, the game-related podcast.

And then they just sent a contract this morning, man, for me to fight Fly Soldier with the Island Boys.

Let's go.

So that could be a celebrity.

I'm going to watch that one for sure.

He thinks he can kick my.

So, how much is a purse?

I don't know.

I'll tell y'all, Cameron.

Okay,

okay.

That's a big one.

Wayne, that's what's up.

Hey, this interview was

different.

I was expecting a different, just a different point of view, but now I got your, I got an understanding of you.

Let me just say this homie.

You're not really a villain.

Nah, how many times is it?

So, so listen, when I came to the internet, I had been working with children for over 10 years by way of a non-profit that I had created

with formerly incarcerated guys by the name of my organization called Hyped About Hype.

And HYPE was an acronym for helping young people excel.

So I created youth development programs, youth engagement programs,

anti-gang cognitive interventions,

all type of

16-week curriculum for the Texas State Juvenile Justice Department.

My organization was highly recommended to all 254 counties throughout the state of Texas.

I've done trainings for the United States Department of Homeland Security Human Trafficking Division or North Texas Crime Commission at Eastfield Police Training Academy in Mesquite, Texas, by way of special agent Keith Owens.

And that's because he met me while I was studying to become a lawyer at Texas Wesleyan University.

So I was a pre-law student in Texas.

Most people don't even know.

I don't know.

So I was 80%.

This is the first time you're saying this.

No, I say it all the time.

For real?

Yeah.

And if you Google it, homie, you just got to get past the bull first.

So most of the time, when you Google something, don't pick up everything on the first page.

Go to the second page.

So

not only that, man,

I've worked with a national organization called Campaign Fair Sentencing for Youth out of Washington, D.C.

And I became a part of an organization called ICAN, which is Incarcerated Children's Advocacy Network.

And we worked on different laws and legislation in America.

And ultimately, we got juvenile life without parole abolished in this country in 2016.

Up until then, only three countries had that law, North Korea, Sudan, and America.

And so we got that abolished, homie.

So we had to, I went to the Supreme Court.

I've been on the front page of the American Bar Association Journal.

So I showed up to the internet with all of that background and experience.

And I had just dropped out of college.

You know, I was two semesters away from applying to law school.

So I showed up, a frustrated community activist.

Who was a single father at the time as well.

My baby mama had just went to jail.

She had been on the run.

So my life had transitioned to

wrong choices in life, just got me to the point, homie, where I just said, man, I don't want to do wrong no more.

I just want to, I want to do right and I want to be right.

I just want to be a good person.

And so when I showed up to the internet, that was my mindset.

So the internet was ugly.

I wasn't.

I came trying to uplift, but what I saw is too much negativity pushed pushed in the algorithms for

a guy like Eric Thomas message to be heard every morning.

You know what I'm saying?

So I actually worked in LA at Diamond Dale Adolescent group home.

So I was working with the kids that was coming out of Youth Authority, going back into the hoods, homie.

I worked at nighttime.

They love me.

And in the mornings, I woke them up listening to Eric Thomas with the positive message.

So I brought something new to the juvenile aspect in LA before

I came to the internet.

But I didn't come to the internet to do that, right?

I wanted to monetize how can I get paid?

Well, I'm not a struggling community activist begging for financial help.

Yeah, that doesn't pay the bills.

No, no.

So, and then when I realized that content creation can make you rich, I started studying how to become more effective on the internet.

And that's where the shock jock and the satire

comedy come in.

So that's why you'll see a switch in me playing a villain.

That makes sense.

I saw what worked.

Gotcha.

Yeah, that makes sense.

All right, guys.

Thanks for watching.

See you next time.

Peace.