The High Stakes Life of Banned Professional Gambler Mikki Mase : Digital Social Hour #11

All right, welcome back to the Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly, along with my co-host, Ari Gold.

What's cracking?

And our guest today, Mickey Mace.

How we doing?

I'm good, Sean.

What brings you to Vegas?

So I'm going to play Tournament at the Wynn tomorrow.

Then I'm going to play Tournament PokerGo on Sunday.

Okay.

Nice.

But actually, it's a problem because I'm banned from both Aria and the Wynn.

So I've been battling with them over the phone all week to see if they'll permit me to come and play the tournament.

And we haven't got a straight answer from anybody yet.

So I'm just going to pull up after this.

I'm going to go see them both.

So if you're banned from Aria, you can't go into the PokerGo studios?

Well, this is the thing.

Because it is operated through.

It's ARIA.

Like, if you want to play in the game, you have to play with Aria chips.

You have to cash in and cash out with Aria.

I've been in the studios.

i've been there i vibed out i've been on camera whatever sure but they don't have like first of all everybody in the poker community like loves to have me you know what i'm saying like i'm like it's a small tight knit community for those that don't know i mean there's probably what a hundred a hundred mainstream guys that everybody really you know knows and within that community you can kind of go into a room and just you know oh that's fucking Phil Ivey or oh that's you know whoever but you know within that it's the same you know certain athletes you know you have a list b list and c list and I feel like you're definitely in that a list category yeah you know so when I go in this poker go studio it's like that you know we just homies vibing.

But as far as like actually playing, I haven't been able to play yet because I can't buy in or cash out.

Like I'm not able to.

Interesting.

I can't even walk into any of the MGM properties, particularly ARA.

For some reason, security at ARIA is so fast on me, like I don't even have like, I can't even do a walkthrough.

So you'll get grabbed if you walk in.

Oh, 100%.

I post videos all the time.

Well, I used to post videos.

You go on my TikTok, you'll see videos of ARA security escorting me and anybody I'm without.

One time I was with Roddy Rich, Lil Baby, Kifa, and Ben Kicks.

We all came together and we were playing at one of the MGMs and they tried to throw all of us out because they were with me.

It was a real big ordeal.

I want to know how this started.

How did you get?

How did this persona start?

Where did all the gambling come into play?

How did you get to this level?

Talk us through the journey.

Yeah,

I've been gambling.

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So, so I've been around gambling my whole life.

Like, my whole family is basically just like gamblers.

That's what they like to do, you know?

And so when I was young, it was like kind of family time.

Like, you know, when the family was together, it's like, what are we going to do?

We don't really play board games.

They're like, let's play.

You're going to play blackjack.

Yeah, you know,

pretty much.

But, you know, we'd play with like pocket change, like pennies, dimes, nickels.

Right, right, right.

And so that's how I learned.

I don't know, maybe somewhere around the age of five, I started started to learn.

And then, uh, a lot of my life, I was like with my grandparents and raised by my grandparents, and they were like lifelong high-stakes gamblers.

So, I basically grew up in like New York City card rooms, like you know, I was around like these really iconic people, but I was so young.

I was a child, like, uh, you know, I was young.

You didn't really understand where you're at and what you're doing, yeah, yeah, I didn't understand who I was around, I didn't really understand, but these people who now, as an adult, I realized were like caring for me, right?

Like, we would have all our meals in the card rooms.

If I was ever ever bored, somebody's very like iconic people.

But again, as a kid, I was just like, oh, that's, you know, Uncle So-and-so, or that's the friend, whatever.

And they'd be like, hey, do you want to, you know, go to Barnes and Nobles and grab some magazines?

I'll come sit with you.

Little did I know like who these people were.

And only when I got older did I realize, right?

But yeah, I grew up in like New York City card rooms.

Damn.

All right.

So what was the transition like?

I mean, obviously going from New York to Vegas, how is that kind of, how's that transition process going?

Well, I actually ruined my life first.

All right, explain.

Yeah,

I made like an incredible extended period of only the most poor decisions I can make.

You know, I was partying and I had like zero,

like zero like regard for consequence.

And I was just out of control.

Living in your 20s, bro.

It's all good.

Younger than that, actually.

You know, I was like, I was like an early teen and teenager and just, but living, the thing is, all the people around me were in their 20s, living like 20-year-olds.

so here i am 13 and 14 living like i'm 20

yeah you know and so i actually um made a pit stop down in florida and that's where i straightened my life out at and i started a new life i started working i started as a day laborer worked my way up i used a phrase in my in one of my first ever big interviews and i said that i leveraged my way up until being like you know

a fairly successful like business person.

But it was interesting how many people were not receptive to the term of leverage.

So I think a better way to put it is I just forcefully requested promotions.

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And I got it.

And at some point, I had acquired enough knowledge, like

working that I started some of my own smaller companies and they built up they built up pretty quickly

And then when I stopped working I was like I need something new like I've never between you know being like a troubled kid and then and then I worked really long days and really long hours.

I never really enjoyed anything.

I never like lived no time to actually be a kid and shoot the shit.

Yeah, so I was like, you know, at whatever age I was and I and I stopped business.

I sold some business.

Some of the other businesses I gave away, but it's an interesting concept because some of them are like not, um, without me, they don't make money.

Like, there was nothing to sell.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

You were the business.

Yeah, I was the business.

So when I, it's tough when people get to know the owner, and that's, that's really the whole personal relationship.

And I, I, I honestly experienced something like that with one of my first businesses that I sold.

And I soon realized that that, that level of transition really takes a, uh, you know, a skilled person to not only hand off the baton, but teach that next person how to handle the clients, how to handle each account, how to really, you know, connect with people.

And I feel like, especially in businesses with guys like you and I, and especially Sean, it's more, the business itself is more tied to the personal relationship and the connection than it is even the business.

You know, you could charge the same price as the competitor, but if somebody vibes with you and they want to fuck with you, they're going to, regardless.

That's exactly right.

So I made a comment in an interview how I sold some businesses and I gave others away.

And they're like, oh, if you're so successful, you never give a business away.

The thing is that there was nothing to, I'm not going to, let's say me and you had that relationship, right?

That you would take my business over Sean's because me and you were better friends.

You preferred me.

How do I sell your phone number?

Like to the guy who wants to step in line?

Like, it doesn't work that way.

Right.

I can't tell you, hey, some guy offered me a bag, so I need you to keep doing business with that guy.

Keep fucking with that guy, even though it's not me.

Yeah, I can't do that.

So like this concept of giving away, what it really was, it was like handing over a Rolodex.

Like, here's the blueprint.

Do what you do.

Figure it out.

Yeah, figure it out.

100%.

Yeah.

So I did that.

And I stepped away from like making money.

And the thing is, at this point, I had acquired, you know, some money.

And I was like, I just want to live, man.

Like, I want to basically be a kid.

So what was the allure to Vegas?

Like, from Florida?

Well, it wasn't.

It wasn't.

So I actually, I moved to L.A.

Oh, fuck.

Yeah, I moved to L.A.

And that has its obvious allure.

Its own toxicity and its own.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then when I moved to L.A.,

I always loved gambling.

probably more money than is for my own good at this point.

I have all the time in the world.

And so like once a week, I I was taking a trip to Vegas.

And, like, pretty quickly, you know, it's all relative, like the amounts you're gambling, like, what, what's a lot, what's a little.

It's all relative.

So, I was gambling with what I thought was not a lot when I was first coming to Vegas.

And I'd been desensitized.

I'd been gambling since I was a kid and growing up in the card rooms.

So, for the amounts I was gambling, Vegas started going crazy.

They were like, let me give you a jet.

Let me give you this.

Let me give you that.

I'm like, didn't understand why.

Like, all right.

I'm like, all right, whatever.

And then slowly I started realizing what was happening.

And I said, you know, this is actually a very profitable endeavor so far.

But I didn't enter Vegas thinking like, I'm going to be a profitable gambler.

I was like, I'm just going to gamble.

He's going to blow time.

Yeah, I'm going to have fun.

I'm going to party.

I'm going to win some.

I'm going to lose some.

But it turns out that I won more than I lost.

I feel like, but see, listen, and for as long as I've been in Vegas, it's almost like nine years now.

I feel like it's always the guys that come to Vegas that don't give a fuck about making money that make money.

And it's always the assholes that come to Vegas, like, I got my last $100,000 and I'm going to fucking win it.

And then they come back and they're like, I lost the house.

I lost the car.

car

I think that's a huge aspect maybe it is a moment imagine this imagine it's your last hundred thousand you're gonna play like it's your last hundred thousand yeah you know but if it's like

if you're gonna spend that hundred anyway you got another hundred million in the back it's like yeah you're gonna play like more comfortably more like in your comfort zone and in your space and you're gonna respond more comfortably to to high critical and high high stress situations yeah i get that all right so what do you think i i'd like to hear what your take is on somebody kind of figuring out that groove or understanding their own comfort zone.

Because obviously, like we just said, you know, there's different limits to playing and obviously different price ranges fit different people.

Is there a trick or is there a certain

mindset that you put yourself in before you hit the tables where you're like, all right.

Fucking meditate for four minutes or I mean, talk me through what you do before you hit the streets.

Well, first,

I want to speak on the first part you said.

And the way I could, the advice I'd give somebody else is

don't go to Vegas thinking you're going to win.

The truth is, honestly, you know, the casinos are so nice because everybody loses.

There's only a few people in history that have been an actual winner in Vegas, and the few of us that exist have all gotten famous from it.

Over time.

Yeah.

Not like a one-time winner.

Not like one winner.

We're talking a consistent winner.

Yeah, there's only been a few lifetime winners.

And the few of us, including myself, got famous from it, which means it's an absolute rarity.

It's a very unique characteristic.

You're calling yourself part of the 1% because you are, essentially.

Which is why we got this recognition, you know, like, Sean, you know, despite how long we've known each other, what have you, like, you didn't invite me on here because I'm so good looking, right?

You know what I mean?

I've got.

Depends on who you ask.

I don't know.

I don't know, bro.

Careful.

A face only a mother could love.

Hey, man.

I don't know.

For me, it's that shiny ass tooth.

I'm just like bedazzled.

I've been waiting for these diamonds.

I got these diamonds 10 years ago.

What?

Yeah, because, so I know the woman who created the tooth gems, right?

Her name's Susie.

Fuck out.

Her name's Susie.

Shout out Tooth Candy, right?

So I was one of her test subjects when she was first trying to formulate how to do it.

So they're like drilled in your teeth.

No, no, these are bonded on like braces, like the blue UV light and all that.

Okay.

But now when you get them, they like last like three to six months or something.

I got mine 10 years ago.

She was going through like different testings to see like which glues and which this and which bond.

This motherfucker never came off.

Let's talk about the tats.

So how old were you when you got your first tattoo and why are you against them now?

I got two at the same time for my first tattoo.

I was like

15 or 16.

I was like straight out of like juvenile prison.

I was like, I think I was like two months out.

I was like two months home.

And I got

a tattoo that goes shoulder to shoulder and then I got something on my stomach.

Okay.

Yeah.

And why are you against them now and you're now removing them?

So I know what it's like to have no tattoos.

I know it's like to have some.

I know it's like to have a lot.

I know what it's like to have ones that are uncoverable.

I know what it's like to have your hands and neck.

I know what it's like to have your face.

I know what it's like to be tattooed from the top of my head down to the bottom of my toes.

I'm sure the stigma gets annoying as fuck.

Yeah, I have watched directly the result of the progress of being tattooed and the way my life is affected.

Sure.

Only has a negative impact.

Having tattoos is only a liability and it is a 0% asset.

In what way?

Explain.

Okay, there's a lot of ways.

The first is standard judgment.

Right.

100%.

Yeah.

Now, I knew before I got my face tattooed that I was going to be judged for having face tattoos.

But the state of mind I was in then, I was young, right?

I had like this perspective on reality that is not real today.

I have certain, let's say certain tattoos, right?

That at the time was something I was really into and I really loved.

We're talking 15 years later, I don't even watch that show.

Why the fuck did I do that?

Yeah,

I don't even like that show.

You know, like if you're, if you're into Pokemon cards, let's say, and you get a Pokemon tattoo, and then 15 years from now, you're like, Pokemon, where the fuck was I thinking?

Yeah.

That you're stuck in a Pokemon tattoo forever.

Then you get other people that are like, no, I thought about this for two years and, you know, it's my my grandmother who passed away.

I think that's a little different scenario than getting, you know, like fucking, you know, East Side on your cheek or something like that.

And again, this is nothing against you.

And then attack.

I have, listen, I have

a great stigma of friends that are completely tattooed.

And they all have the same, you know, the same kind of stigmas that are attached to them.

And it's unfortunate because ironically, some of the people that have the most tattoos are from the same scenario that come from just, you know, harsh backgrounds or made dumb mistakes when they were younger.

And now, you know, they're running Fortune 500 businesses and they're getting looked up and down like they're fucking crazy because, you know, they've got skull and bones or, you know, whatever it is.

And I feel like that, that, you know, early judgment is pretty contradictory of how our society looks on people and looks on things, you know, really quickly.

And when they say don't judge a book by its cover, it's almost impossible when, you know, the cover's got all these colors and stuff and you're like well fuck let me you know let me find out what's behind this book

you know it's interesting what you just said that fortune 500 company uh guys who run those companies have hand tattoos yeah so there's a huge stigma that people with those tattoos can't do that and i was one of those guys i had worked on wall for a long time you couldn't though yeah you know it's it's only i think i feel like it's only become normalized in the past five ten years if anything even the word normalized i don't know is exactly accurate because you're right you're right

people like me and i did work on wall street and i I had face tattoos.

The challenges I had are maybe the closest you can relate to.

Somebody who also wants to run a Fortune 500 company, if they have hand tattoos, it's the same as a guy who never had a college education.

So it's not impossible, but they have the same hurdles.

But why would I want to add those hurdles?

To create issues, right?

I don't have, I already have my own issues.

Right.

I didn't have to add ones that people will give me more hard times about.

Sure.

And especially ones that don't know you and they're kind of just predetermining and pre-judging off just the looks.

It's kind of shady.

Yeah.

Let's dive into a fun topic.

Talk to me.

Cryptocurrency.

So, Mickey, I've known you for years before your social media fame.

Yeah.

I know what you've done.

I know who you know.

I know you started a top three meme coin.

Yes.

I know you did.

And

I don't know if we're going to drop the name, but I want to hear the story.

Well, I know that you know I did because I hired your firm to do its marketing.

And the plot thickens.

I um and so one of the first possible I think no jumper the first interview I did for no jumper I've done a few and I think that first one might have been my first interview ever it was like I barely had social media and I know Adam outside of social media like I know him like through BMX right so when he invited me on his show I almost thought it was just like one friend to another.

I've never watched No Jumper.

I was so distant from social media, I didn't really know what was going on.

And I thought it was like one friend to another.

Like, you know, like, we know we met at like a BMX, come on, and shoot the shit, yeah, like,

so I went on and we were just talking, and I even told him not to ask me so many questions, but I was not PR trained, like, right, just literally was two buddies your first fucking podcast.

How are you gonna know?

Yeah, exactly.

So, when I told him, I said, Hey, out of these topics you know about me, only one.

And he told me which one he was gonna pick, and I said, Cool.

And it definitely was not that.

And so, when that got brought up, there was like uh

a little bit of flack, and then um, I've never talked about it again.

And

the way that it started

was a really long time ago.

I was at an airport and I was flying commercial.

And when I used to fly commercial, I would consciously be the very last person aboard because one of my biggest pet peeves in life is waiting in line.

And I don't want to stand on this plane.

You already have a fucking assigned seat.

What does it matter?

Yeah, literally.

Yeah, I don't want to be like pushed up against strangers.

I'm wearing my badge.

I'm good.

So I'm sitting in the thing, and there was a kid about my age sitting like kind of right next to me.

And it looked like he was doing the same thing.

And he was wearing a brand new AP.

And this was a really long time ago when, like, if you had an AP, like, you were early.

You were early to the game.

Yeah.

I just says to the kid, I says, nice watch.

And he says, thanks.

We're flying from Miami to Vegas, right?

And he goes, thanks.

I just flew here to get it.

I said, oh, you live in Vegas?

He goes, yeah.

So, oh, I live in Miami.

And we start talking.

He goes, take my number because if you ever need a watch guy in Miami, I got you.

It's okay, cool.

Me and this guy kept in contact for a little while, and we ended up becoming like best friends for like the next two years.

And anytime he's South, he's with me.

Anytime I'm West, I'm with him.

And we just vibed out.

And

I don't know.

I mean, you know who he is.

You know what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

And

he ended up,

should I say it?

Is this who I think it is?

No, maybe.

Should we say the company?

Yeah, I think who gives a fuck?

We can edit it later.

Who gives a shit?

I think you should say it.

All right, I'll just say it.

All right.

So he was one of the founders of CoinMarket Cop, which sold to Binance for 400 something million.

Yeah.

And so he was my best friend, is my best friend, you know?

And

he had came to me one time and he said, hey, like, I want to work on a project.

And I said,

let's do it.

Run it.

Yeah, I said, let's do it.

And yeah, we created.

Some things.

One of them that I created was

the number three meme coin in the history of cryptocurrency, and I had like kind of referenced that in an interview, and um,

there's been so many like gray conversations like that.

There's been a lot of uncertainty, even like we're having now, like, you know, what do we address, what don't we address, what benefits does it have to address?

Like, you know,

our boy, right, he wants uh discretion, he likes anonymity, yeah, sure.

He would like his privacy, and he's entitled to it, as a lot of other people are.

There's also been like an endless amount of dead bodies showing up of crypto millionaires and billionaires.

Yeah, you know, they all die around the same time, they all die from very mysterious reasons, their bodies wash up, and very they all happen to end up in Tulum somewhere, exactly, you know.

And uh, so there's like a lot of fear: like, what do we talk about, what don't we talk about, and uh, and even what benefit does it have?

Right.

So, um, yeah, I did create that coin, and I hired you and your firm to do the marketing, man.

I love that.

That last bull run was nuts, bro.

You know, I have...

What about we, man?

Yeah, I have a feeling that we're going to have something like that again right after this next crash.

I just have a feeling everything's going to bottom out.

And again, this is all speculation, but for me, I've been stacking fucking gold and silver like it's my job lately.

So I feel that.

You know, crypto's cool, but hard assets.

That's where it's at.

I got some gold watches.

That's the best part about gold is that you can literally buy it in so many different things.

Like you can buy gold watches that will retain their value.

If you get a Rolex that's completely fucking stock and you don't, you know, tamper with it, you put it in boxing papers and you leave it like that, you're already making double your money.

The problem is that if you choose to sell it and you have an account with Rolex, you're probably,

you're pretty much going to be fucking up your account.

So it's a double-edged sword, but you know, it is what it is.

What about you?

What's your watch collection looking like?

Most of my watches are in a safety deposit box in New Jersey.

I like that.

There was like a factory or we flooded out.

What are we doing with it?

I have a little bit of everything.

I also have a small collection of vintage watches and pocket watches.

Tell me more.

Tell me more.

I have some brigades, some Automas.

Yeah,

I have a couple of things.

Hey, I just bought an old Seleni Rolex, dude.

Yeah,

I'm in love.

Yeah.

Good, bro.

I think I

smoked a little too much weed.

Let's get back to the the gambling.

So you gamble with all these A-list celebrities.

I want to walk through a couple of them.

What was it like gambling with Lil Baby?

Gambling with Baby is always cool.

He's like always just like down with the get-down.

He's like no hassle, no hard.

Baby just wants to be one of the guys.

He's just hanging out and you wouldn't know that he's Lil Baby if

you didn't know shit about social media and you had no clue about who the guy was.

I think he goes into the category of guys that are really down to earth like we were talking about earlier with Post and Luda.

And, you know, I definitely feel like when you get to a certain level of fame, there is nothing more

priceless than just having that privacy with your homies or just being able to go into a grocery store and grab a fucking carton of milk without somebody harassing you for a picture.

Dude, I saw a post on Impractical Jokers the other day.

Yeah.

I'm like, how the fuck do you not recognize this guy?

There's some people, man.

Like, they're really like.

A post is so like.

Well, I'm, I agree with you.

I also agree with the fact that there are people that just do not keep up with social media do not listen to music do not like they're just in their own world man something interesting i learned about

so when i when i was in business i was kind of anti-social media and i was completely anonymous and like all of this i had no idea like i told you like i didn't know what no jumper was and i was friends with adam right so like there are people that like never even considered it and then once i entered the space like looking back I'm like, wow, I'm still learning every day.

Like, no matter what level of fame I might be at, whatever, I'm still still learning every day like oh that's who this is that's you know like see but i feel like that's a that's a true a true like sign and testament to your friendship because all right i'll put it in perspective here if i have a friend that i know owns a restaurant i'm not i'm not about to be going in there every fucking day asking for a free meal that's what a dickhead would do yeah if you're a real friend you're a real friend extra

Took the words out of my mouth.

You're going to go in.

You're going to show support.

You're going to bring in other people.

You're going to have other clients and whatever.

You're you're going to support that because you know homies got to pay bills it's the same thing with you know people in the music industry or people that are doing podcasts or that have relevancy and for you to say that you didn't even know about his podcast that just means that you're you were every time you're with him you were kicking it with him you weren't like hey what are you working on hey how can i how da da da da da asking a million questions about you know what they got going on it was probably more or less the conversations of How are you?

You good?

You know, you okay?

Life's good.

All right, cool.

Damn, that girl's got a fat ass, you know, or like,

we can, yeah, we connect over BMX, me and Adam, and then whoever else it was, like, whoever else I ran into or like befriended was just because we were like like-minded.

We had the same interests.

It's the same friend group.

Yeah.

What was it like?

Oh, go ahead.

No, I was going to say, anytime that I've ever had an encounter where it was not because we were compatible or had similar traits, and it was because somebody wanted something, none of those lasted.

No.

There's not one of those guys or girls in my life that came in with like a motive.

Interior motives always, you know, present themselves in funny ways.

And I feel like, you know, no matter how long you keep somebody around, that will always present itself in the most inopportune way.

There's, there's never been like a subtle, classy way for somebody to ask you for something like that's just out of their means or like outside the boundaries of what's comfortable.

It's always just obnoxiously gaudy or at a wrong time.

And you're, you know, hopefully that makes most people be like, you know what, that's that.

That ain't the kind of guys I want to have around me.

Yeah, fucks.

What was it like gambling with Logan Paul?

Logan Paul's cool, man.

Actually, you know what?

That was one of my cooler experiences.

It's forming the friendship I have with him.

So

being like an outsider to social media at the time, right?

When I had became friends with him, it was also with Mike Malak and Ryan Garcia.

I got a call from another one of the guys that was hired to market for the coin, right?

And he calls me and I answer and I'm like, hey, what's up?

And he goes, hey, I got someone else on the line.

His name is Mike.

I was like, if you're calling me for it, it's probably something solid, you know?

Puts it through and he goes, hey, what's up my name's mike i'm like what's up he goes hey i i like to film a lot of videos and stuff i do youtube and i want to come to vegas and and i think from what i've heard that you sound like the guy in vegas you know we could have a good time together you know i'll take care of everything i'm like okay run it yeah so me and this guy named mike had formed a friendship over the phone well it turns out it was mike malac and i never asked like even if he told me what his last name wouldn't have known i didn't know

right yeah so we formed this friendship like over like a year or something on the phone just like vibing you you know, just me knowing each other.

Yeah, then he says, hey, like, I think we are, we're all gonna come out to Vegas.

Can we film some gambling?

And I said, sure.

And I ended up winning a million dollars on camera for Logan, Mike, and Ryan.

Right.

And the thing was, that was the first time I met Logan.

And he was by far the quietest guy in the room.

So when I found out like Logan Paul is coming, in my head, I'm like, oh, it's probably going to be like, maybe like a little goofy or egomaniac.

He'll be loud.

But, you know, something.

I had this like image in my head.

The image he portrays online.

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

He is the quietest, most humble, like, nicest guy.

Like, he don't even want to be on camera.

No, the only time he's on camera is like when he kind of has to.

Who the fuck wants attention when all they get 24/7 is attention?

Yeah, bro.

It's like saying, I'll give you pizza unlimited, unlimited pizza non-stop.

And the one day off that you get, you think you're going to go get fucking pizza?

No, you're going to go smack a McChicken or something, bro.

Like, yeah,

that's exactly what goes back to what we talked about when we were first sitting down when

all eyes are on you there is nothing more priceless than having your privacy or having the ability to just hang out with the boys and be one of the guys instead of being that guy you're just one of the guys and it it's it's a crazy trade-off because I feel like people don't really understand that the price of fame really comes with a lot of

dude, a lot of baggage.

It's a lot of, it's difficult.

And

again, I feel like tapping back onto the tattoo topic for you, I feel like that just makes you instantly more recognizable.

So like for issues at the casino or, you know, for running into people, it's almost unavoidable.

Like talk us through.

I want to dive into the whole casino aspect.

And I mean, if you're cool with it, I want to know, you know, tell us some of the signs that you can tell that when the casinos are kind of tipping the sides more towards the house.

All right.

So there's a lot of ways you can tell.

The first is you can just go online and pull up like a probability chart for gambling.

Like these are public information And you'll get a rough idea, the realistic probability of how many hands in a row you're going to win and how many you're going to lose.

And if you can, this, I don't know, so readily available, but you can, if you're any good with math, you can take the time and do it.

You can also create the mathematics behind what hands are likely to win for how long.

Like, for example, this is crazy.

If you're dealt, imagine, pretend for this,

like, let's say you created like a software that would tell you this, right?

And you dealt yourself in blackjack in 18, 10 hands in a row, and then said dealer, you know, random hands.

And

you'll figure out how many times realistically they should win and how many times they should lose.

And then you can say, when you're playing in real time at a casino, if you're dealt 18, let's say five times in a shoe, and you've lost all five, but you already know from testing the theory

that you were only supposed to lose two of those.

That you're in a mathematical improbability, not impossibility, but you can go further.

You can deal yourself an 18, you know, as many times times as you want in the software, and you can give the dealer a 16 every one of those times, and it'll tell you how many times you're going to win.

Probably like 90%, you'll win 18 versus the dealer 16.

But then you go play real, and you'll see that a dealer's got a 16.

Two, three, ace.

You're like, what the fuck?

Where are these coming from?

Every time.

Where are these coming from?

They're true mathematical improbabilities.

Some are verging on the border of impossibilities.

Is there a way to tip the improbabilities in your favor?

There are some tricks you can do.

Okay.

Nothing will hold water if you cannot be aware that this is happening.

Interesting.

If you don't even have the understanding of what's happening in front of your face to your money, then there's nothing you can do to protect from it or change from it because you don't even know what's happening.

Damn.

I didn't smoke enough weed for this one today.

What's it like when you get banned?

Do you get a letter in the mail from the casino?

Do they come to your mind?

No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.

Talk us through how you get banned and then go through the process of how that's the answer is almost the same.

Every single time has been different because of the reason I'm getting banned.

Okay, so people.

What bullshit did they tell you?

How about that?

That's exactly there we go.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I want to hear the real shit.

I've heard every story.

Tell me.

I've heard everybody.

We don't even have to call all the casinos out.

I don't want to name names, but I'm fuck sued, bro.

This is for pure

educational purposes.

I'm genuinely fascinated by this because, again, we've talked outside and

you know from my understandings there there's always a level of

You know a facade that the casinos have to put up and I and I get that but I feel like the second that they know that you know

that they know that you know what's going on It's over.

It's a different game.

Right.

When you are doing something questionable or questionably unethical or immoral to the casino, you know what you're doing.

And if the casino catches you, they tell you to leave.

If you're counting cards, they'll either cap your limit, they'll cap your bets, you have to flat bet, or they tell you to leave.

This is like an obvious one, right?

If you're cheating, you go to prison for five years, of course.

Obvious, you know, if you're abusing comps, they'll stop comping you or just tell you they can't go right, exactly.

What happened with me was really unique because out of the four people that have ever been in my scenario, none of them happened from the method that I did it, right?

So you have the standard stories like Phil and Kelly and I forget the other guy.

And, you know, they were

pushing some boundaries and winning by creating a loophole, basically, right?

But their loophole was identified and explained.

It was not a secret.

But mine has always remained private.

You know, I've never shared the information.

So they couldn't understand

how I was getting away with it.

Okay.

So a lot of casinos had a lot of opinions.

You know, and they have full teams that are trying to decipher what you've got going on.

Yeah.

And so when they couldn't,

some of them said, he's just lucky.

Keep him around because eventually the luck's going to run out.

Other ones said, we don't even care.

We need to stop the hemorrhaging.

Get him out now.

So they all independently barred me at different times and they all gave me a different reason.

I'll tell you some of the reasons.

The Cosmo, before MGM bought it, banned me because they said I touched the forks in the Talon Club high limit cafe.

Not a joke.

Not a joke.

I'm sorry.

Say that one more time.

In the Talon club,

the super high limit on the second floor.

Very familiar.

There's a lounge in there where you can eat.

Right by the elevator, you make it right.

It's in the corner.

My favorite.

My favorite.

In the cafe, they have like buffet-style food.

Yeah.

And they have the fork spread out on a tray, and you take the fork and help yourself.

They said I touched more forks than I needed.

They said I only needed one fork and I touched more than one fork.

This is not a joke.

Park MGM was an interesting one.

I was with another small group of professional poker players.

We caught them cheating red-handed.

I had an executive come down and I said to the executive space, I caught you cheating.

Here's the proof.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

You caught the casino cheating.

I catch them a lot.

So a lot of the reasons for my bans was catch exposing.

I've never heard of somebody be like, nah, nah, nah, I wasn't cheating.

They were cheating.

And then I got kicked out because they were cheating.

Yes.

Tell me, tell me.

All right.

I want to hear this now.

Tell me how they were cheating.

This was like my first big X.

I caught you.

Yeah, I caught you moment.

They had at Park MGM, they changed the felt, they changed the tables, they changed the shoe machine, they changed the shuffler, and they changed the monitor.

Full new setups in the baccarat room, right?

In the Nomad portion.

Sure.

Not that they have to inform the players that they changed anything, but I just didn't know.

I was not informed.

So I show up to play, and I'm with some poker player friends, and we sit down, and I'm confused.

There's like data, I've never seen this thing.

I might have played more baccarat than almost any other baccarat player.

I played probably more locations, hands, I've seen it all, right?

I did not ever see in my life what was on their baccarat screen.

I says to the dealer who I'm very friendly with,

for the record, almost every,

at this time, a lot of the executives at Park, the dealers, the pit bosses are like personal friends of mine.

I've slept with most of the females and the males have come to all my parties.

We go out to dinner, like we know each other, you know?

So I says to the dealer who I'm friends with, I says, what does this portion of the data mean?

She goes, I have no idea.

I said to the dealer next door, I said, What does this mean?

She goes, I don't know.

I said, Floor, please tell me what this means.

The floor says, To be honest, they just put this in, they didn't explain it.

None of us know what this means.

I said, Okay, I'll figure it out.

I played a firsthand, I bet whatever I bet, I won.

So, and the poker friends, they all followed my bets.

If we won the firsthand, of course, we won, no problem.

Secondhand comes, I believe.

I bet player and bank came natural nine.

I forget the exact

cards, but imagine the cards came 5-4, natural 9.

We lost, because we bet player, no big deal, lost a hand.

So I go to look at the monitor to work on my next hand, and it's displaying the cards of the previous hand.

And it says bank won, natural nine, but the cards displayed are seven deuce.

But the cards on the felt are five, four.

I said, hold on.

I said, how is this machine going to know?

Bank won with a natural nine, unsure how it won, and then make up whatever data it wants just to

tell the right story.

I said, Hold on.

I said, You guys are cheating.

I said, Cause if you're going to make up that data, that means you're making up all of the data and will continue to make up all the data and you will misguide me on every bet I'm going to make, assuming my bets are judged on the data on the screen.

They said, We don't know what to tell you.

I said, Don't touch anything at all.

Leave the cards.

Call an executive.

The executive came down, one that also I used to be very personally close with.

I said, I caught you guys cheating.

And they said, Oh, yeah.

They said, How?

I said, Look and look.

And they go, go, you have 30 minutes for you and all your friends to pack your bags and get out.

Get the fuck out of here.

This is a friend of mine.

And I said,

okay, I'm going to figure this thing out.

So we pack our bags and we leave.

I posted on Instagram that this had happened and I explained it.

I tagged the casino like I always do, right?

What's up?

You know, you did it.

You know what you did.

I saw them, the casino's Instagram account watch my story, tagging them, calling them out for cheating.

So I screenshot it.

You know, you could see your viewers.

I screenshot it.

I circled it.

i posted that i tagged them again and i said i see you seeing me see you i got a call like something like that day or the next day and said hey uh you're banned for six months i said why they said oh you scared the dealers they said uh you were threatening the dealers they said you were threatening the dealers and you're yelling and you're throwing and you're screaming and everybody's scared i said i don't think so being belligerent i said i don't think so because i slept with that dealer last night she didn't seem too scared you know and they go no no it's an issue you're banned for six months well that six months has been almost three years now wow and every time the six month mark comes, I say, what's good?

They go, oh, this is a crazy story.

They go, you went to valet so you can go to the stadium and you fought with the valet driver.

I said, are you sure?

Because I'm in California right now.

They go, yeah, we're sure.

I said, okay, I'm going to come to Vegas tonight.

We'll figure this out.

I get to Vegas.

I went up to the head of valet.

I said, hey, there's a story that I fought with you earlier today about parking here for the stadium.

And I filmed it.

I said, do you mind saying to the camera, like, tell me what happened?

He goes, I didn't see you today.

That never happened.

I don't know why they're saying that.

So they're staging these incidents to keep to keep justifying banning me that's nuts yeah I had

let's see who else I had Caesars ban me because they

the first time they banned me I made a comment that I was being judged for my tattoos so they thought that they were gonna follow up that they were gonna have a lawsuit so they said we're scared of a lawsuit we don't want you on property till we figure it out but it was all made up like it was garbage they can just say whatever they do say whatever they can because they're they're their own governing.

You know what I'm saying?

None of them want to face reality.

I'll tell you.

Let me go through it, ready.

So, so, Cosmo for touching too many forks, Park for catching them cheating and posting about it.

MGM for no reason.

I think they said I made a mess in the villa or something like that.

But the real story was the president of MGM International, his name is Justin Maniker, and his right-hand man is Angelo.

And Angelo got sent down.

I deposited $9.5 million at MGM Grand.

And I got tipped off that he was going to come and threaten me and try to strong arm me and i got tipped off from somebody strong on me for what so this is what happens so i get this phone call i just sent nine and a half million dollars to mgm grand i get a phone call hey they're gonna come and they're gonna threaten you they're gonna try to uh extort you and and they're gonna try to keep the nine and a half million Well, I happen to be with like a lot of other celebrities.

We're all like enjoying the day.

So there's a lot of videos happening.

People were videoing, you know, everybody's influencers and the famous, they video.

So so I said to one of the cameramen I said I just got tipped off when and where I'm about to get threatened why don't you set up a camera and mic me up and I went to this meeting mic'd up and this guy was threatening me and He said all types of crazy stuff and I posted some of that video.

I did have to blur his face and his name.

Obviously I had to follow the law, but I followed the law and I made a post and it's on my page and you can look and see it.

And they did all types of crazy things and

they banned me following that video.

Did you get money out?

I got so they tried to keep a million dollars.

I had to get my lawyer lawyer involved, and they ended up paying me the right amount, but they did try to keep a million dollars.

But I did get paid.

I will say that.

I did get paid.

Resorts World banned me

because I was, it was like me, Rodway, Fora, and some other industry people.

We threw like a poker game in one of the villas.

And then afterwards, we went to go play Blackjack.

Playing Blackjack, I caught them cheating, and we were recording, and I caught them on camera cheating.

I also then filmed, I've been saying this from the beginning, that these casinos jam my Wi-Fi.

And again, like, same, like, similar to like the crypto and what have you like people were very skeptical right and i was like it's okay like i like i know what's good you know and i had filmed that same day like that same trip uh resorts world jamming my wifi filmed it and i made a few posts of all these videos them jamming them cheating us on the table all this and it got like 15 million views like in 24 hours and that night uh fora had gotten barred from resorts world and that morning uh security came and said i had to go and nobody ever gave me a reason They just said if you ever come back you're leaving in handcuffs But I mean it's obvious what the reason was you know I caught them on camera cheating and I posted the video That's crazy.

Yeah, I mean all of these casinos damn the only the only casino that ever told me the truth to my face was the win.

The wind told me outright.

They said, you're too good and we can't have you here.

And I was with like, I don't know, 30 or something people, a lot of pro poker players.

That was like a really epic moment.

It was actually worth celebrating.

That one.

I'm not even.

Shout out the wind for being real.

Yeah, for keeping it real.

Shout out the wind.

And I've never disrespected the wind.

I've never thrown shade at the wind.

I've never

keep it 100 and you get 100.

That's it.

All these other casinos, all they had to do was be nice to me.

They just had to be nice, and I would have let them live in peace.

I'm not even kidding.

The day they came to me and said, hey, Mick, I'm sorry, you're winning too much here.

This is just not good business for us.

We want you to leave.

I would have shook their hand and said, no problem.

Let's buy you a beer.

Yeah.

You know,

they pull out these shreisty moves.

So

Mick, tell them where they can find you.

How can they follow up?

Because

want to go watch these fucking videos.

So tell them what's up.

My Instagram, my TikTok, and YouTube is all the same.

It's at Dirty Goth Boy, and boy spelled B-O-I.

So just at Dirty Goth Boy.

All right, Sean, tell them where they can find you.

Sean Mike Kelly.

And I'm Ari Gold.

See y'all next week.